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Bok changes galore as Meyer swings his axe


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, RWC 2015, Springboks on 23 Sep 2015 at 11:31
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You can’t accuse Heyneke Meyer of failing to react following his side’s shock World Cup loss to Japan; however, whether the heads that have ended up on the chopping block are the right ones is a point worthy of further debate.

With both Victor Matfield and Jean de Villiers – arguably the architects-in-chief of Saturday’s hari kiri – both spared the noose, Meyer has instead dropped no fewer than eight other players for the next match against Samoa, including the only Bok to show any fight on the day, Lood de Jager.

Surprise number 1 sees Bismarck du Plessis left out entirely, with Adriaas Strauss starting and Schalk Brits on the bench. Eben Etzebeth replaces de Jager, with Matfield continuing at 5. Out goes Pieter-Steph du Toit, with Schalk Burger shifting to 7 and Duane Vermeulen back in at 8. Not surprisingly, the halfbacks have both been axed as well, with Fourie du Preez and Handre Pollard in for Ruan Pienaar and Pat Lambie.

De Villiers replaces Jesse Kriel at outside centre, with Damian de Allende starting at 12. JP Pietersen replaces Lwazi Mvovo in another strange selection, with Willie le Rouz preferred at fullback to Zane Kirchner. Neither Mvovo nor Kirchner dod much wrong against the Japanese – certainly no worse than the likes of Matfield, de Villiers, Burger or Habana, who all somehow retain their places.

Springboks: 15 Willie le Roux, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Jean de Villiers (capt), 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Handre Pollard, 9 Fourie du Preez, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Schalk Burger, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Victor Matfield (ruck inspector), 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Beast Mtawarira.
Subs: 16 Schalk Brits, 17 Trevor Nyakane, 18 Frans Malherbe, 19 Lood de Jager, 20 Siya Kolisi, 21 Ruan Pienaar, 22 Pat Lambie, 23 Jesse Kriel



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  • Pity he missed the targets he needed to chop out and changed players who didn’t need to be changed… who actually deserved to go out again and show that they are better than the drivel Meyer dished up.

  • Comment 1, posted at 23.09.15 11:32:55 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • I’m done! I suddenly find myself hoping Meyer never gets another Springbok win to his record again!

    Go Samoa!!

  • Comment 2, posted at 23.09.15 11:35:50 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • Look, i think that’s a start, if De Villiers has another bad game then I think he’s time is up in Meyers head.
    We should put some points past Samoa and win this comfortable, I just hope we dont get too many injuries

  • Comment 3, posted at 23.09.15 11:36:10 by Tintin Reply

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  • So he drops Lood, our best forward on the day. Keeps JDV who looked absolutely poked/broken on the day. What a complete idiot! Mvovo could beat JP in a 100m sprint with his legs tied together. Schalk and Victor are poked too…..errrr

  • Comment 4, posted at 23.09.15 11:37:08 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • I feel, based on the squad available, JDV at outside centre for this game was the right decision…

    Jesse Kriel is weak weak weak on defence… If he can’t even tackle a Japanese player how is he going to do against a Samoan… HM had no choice on this one IMO

    Now… Had Serfontein been there… Then a whole different ball game!

  • Comment 5, posted at 23.09.15 11:38:46 by CS Reply

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  • When the guys get the crap tackled out of them by the Samoans they’re going to need some “old” heads to keep the guys calm… I agree with bringing on the “lighter” more agile guys later after the Samoans are tired and less ferocious (ie Lambie, Kriel, Lood, etc)

  • Comment 6, posted at 23.09.15 11:39:40 by CS Reply

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  • @Tintin (Comment 3) : Only way he will drop VM or JDV is if they’re injured!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 7, posted at 23.09.15 11:41:11 by JD Reply
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  • How’s Willem Alberts doing is he still injured?!?!?!?!

  • Comment 8, posted at 23.09.15 11:41:54 by JD Reply
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  • @CS (Comment 5) : I did not see JDV doing any better than Kriel in the tackles either….

  • Comment 9, posted at 23.09.15 11:42:15 by grant10 Reply

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  • Alberts should be home and anyone of Brussow, Marcell or Kriel sent over…

  • Comment 10, posted at 23.09.15 11:43:06 by grant10 Reply

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  • As you say Rob very tough on the guys that didnt actually play that badly against Japan. At least some made the bench. I think we could all write a novel about our complaints regarding this selection. I will try hold judgement till Saturday night and lets see what this lot can do. I suppose the one positive on paper is that the bench should provide some impact if and when it is used.

  • Comment 11, posted at 23.09.15 11:43:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 8) : Alberts is having a lovely time. He has been able to take in quite a few sight seeing trips and get a lot of shopping done.

  • Comment 12, posted at 23.09.15 11:45:15 by SheldonK Reply

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  • And Mr. Missing in Action still seems to have an iron grip on the number six jersey :roll:

  • Comment 13, posted at 23.09.15 11:45:38 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I posted this on another thread, but see it’s already relevant here:

    Most teams at the World Cup have changed their teams significantly for the 2nd game… It’s obvious everyone is trying to give as many of their 31 a run as soon as possible…

    So why the big rant and “shock/horror” at the Springbok selections? It’s obvious this was going to happen… I would have done the same as coach.

    Geez people… I agree like the rest of you that HM is an idiot, but lets not slate every single decision he makes… Not EVERYTHING he does is completely wrong… It’s exhausting reading you all whinging all the time!

    Regarding JDV, Matfield, FDP and Vermuelen… if I was Springbok coach, I would want to see whether they have what it takes to last a game against a “big/hard” team before we get to the Quarters where everyone will be big & hard tackling… no use protecting them and only playing them against “theoretically” softer teams like Scotland and USA, only for them to collapse 15 mins into a crucial Quarter Final play-off game.

  • Comment 14, posted at 23.09.15 11:45:50 by CS Reply

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  • @CS (Comment 14) : I don’t agree, Saturday is must win and must win big, play your best side. We can test players vs the USA…

  • Comment 15, posted at 23.09.15 11:48:39 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • Really feel for Jean,the poor guy has absolutely nothing to gain from this game and everything including his last scrap of dignity to loose.
    He should never have been in this team,he was washed up as a player years ago.He has never really been a winner of anything.
    He is only in the team as the official representative of the Stellenbosch cabal.
    He has the body and fitness of a sixty year old man and a smashed jaw as well.
    Every eye in South Africa is going to be firmly on him waiting for him to fail,including Meyer and his coaches,who couldn’t wait to lay Saturdays fiasco on his head.
    And he probably spent last evening watching the video of Samoan greatest hits,especially Lima’s one on liefling.

  • Comment 16, posted at 23.09.15 11:49:31 by The hound Reply
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  • Jean is a legend, but give it up bro. You have nothing to prove, just retire now. Same with Matfield, just retire now…

  • Comment 17, posted at 23.09.15 11:51:12 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • posted on Boks vs Japan thread… shaldon_k you got it right!

    • Most likely team for Samoa: Beast,Bismarck,Jannie, Matfield,Eztebeth,Louw,Burger,Vermuelen.DuPreez,Pollard, Habana, DeVilliers, DeAllende, Pieterson, Le Roux…wonder how close ill be
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    Comment 620, posted at 21.09.15 10:18:52 by SheldonK
    • @SheldonK (Comment 620) :
    Oh snap, this is a team I posted on another site earlier today:
    So I think if HM finally has a healthy team (which he’s been promising that he has), he will go with:
    Willie, JPP, De Villiers, De Allende, Habana, Pollard, Fourie, Duane, Willem, Flouw, Matfield, Lood, Jannie, Bissie, Beast
    Nyakane, Coenie, Strauss, Etzebeth, Schalk, Ruan, Lambie, Jesse
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    Comment 624, posted at 21.09.15 10:22:34 by Letgo

  • Comment 18, posted at 23.09.15 11:51:54 by Letgo Reply
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  • @CS (Comment 14) : Nobody likes your common sense ;) But fair point, i dont think changes in general are the issue but more who was changed that people have the problem with. I for one will still do my best to support and judge after not before. and i certainly wont be supporting samoa or other teams.

  • Comment 19, posted at 23.09.15 11:53:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @CS (Comment 5) :

    Then rather play Lambie, Pollard, De Allende … De Villier’s defending was attorcious, he got bumped of the tackle more than once and was found out of position not only at crucial times but throughout the game.

    And dropping Lood. This crap!!!

  • Comment 20, posted at 23.09.15 11:53:59 by Letgo Reply
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  • @CS (Comment 14) : Why on earth should Matfield, FDP and JDV be used at all?????

  • Comment 21, posted at 23.09.15 11:54:56 by grant10 Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 18) : I didnt foresee the total Bissie exclusion- thats def a surprise. The others less so although based on Lood’s performances of late you can call that a big surprise.

  • Comment 22, posted at 23.09.15 11:56:40 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 21) : Arguably they shouldn’t have been in the squad of 31 in the first place… but they are… based on that you HAVE to use your full squad at the WC.

    No use crying over spilt milk now, the f up was made in early September when they were selected to the squad… what HM is doing now is what any coach would do with the squad available AT the WC.

  • Comment 23, posted at 23.09.15 11:58:56 by CS Reply

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  • @CS (Comment 14) :

    You say – “It’s exhausting reading you all whinging all the time!” – like it’s your job to do it. Just stop!

    You also say – “before we get to the Quarters” – like it’s a given. Hhhmmm, with this team, maybe not. Jean, Schalk and Victor should not have started.

    JPP could have played 13 (he’s a good defender, but kinda missing on attack, but way better option than Jean – where’s Mapoe!!!).
    Lood should have played 5.
    Kolisi should have played 7.

  • Comment 24, posted at 23.09.15 12:00:01 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 20) : Lambie and Lood have not been dropped? They’re in the match day 23…

    If Lambie was dropped Morne Steyn would be playing

  • Comment 25, posted at 23.09.15 12:01:00 by CS Reply

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  • The Lambie drop a bit unfortunate, Pollard needs some good games from the bench first to get his confidence back.
    Mvovo and Lood should have started.
    JdV??
    Maybe the plan is to expose certain players (read old experienced) to the Samoan tackles so when they get injured the real players can start playing the tournament. :-)

  • Comment 26, posted at 23.09.15 12:02:47 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • Reality is the 31 man squad was so badly chosen that the options are now so limited….

  • Comment 27, posted at 23.09.15 12:03:01 by grant10 Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 24) : Mapoe’s not in the squad? Dumb question?

    Like you, I’m addicted to rugby and Sharksworld… so I can’t stop :-)

    I’m just longing for the good ole days when we used to have proper intelligent rugby discussions instead of 300 comment-long threads where all we do is HM & GG bash.

    Even you were better than this Letgo?

  • Comment 28, posted at 23.09.15 12:03:49 by CS Reply

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  • @CS (Comment 6) :

    You say – “they’re going to need some “old” heads to keep the guys calm” – like you actually believe our “old” heads, won’t implode, again, like they did last week.

  • Comment 29, posted at 23.09.15 12:04:29 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 24) : I agree with you on JP, outside centre is his best position and play the quicker Mvovo on the wing. At least we now have some attacking flair in Willie at the back..

  • Comment 30, posted at 23.09.15 12:04:42 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • Just some food for thought.

    I spoke to someone in New Zealand this morning on Skype, and they are not taking the Boks lightly at all after their loss. He reminded me that France made the World cup 2011 final and lost two, yes 2 pool games. One was against New Zealand the other against Tonga. In fact I was encouraged by the way they still see SA. They obviously over the moon that Japan won, but not because Japan won, but because rugby won on the day.

    That said, we need to get behind the boks guys, even though we all don’t agree with the coaches, and their choices. 4 Years is a long time and we giving up on the WC after one game? We still have a huge chance of topping the table and if we don’t we will still play either Aus/England which makes no difference.

  • Comment 31, posted at 23.09.15 12:05:22 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • If Bismark is not injured there must be something more to his exclusion.
    He should have been the first name on the paper for a Samoan game.
    My mind boggles at the thought of Schalk Britz doing his little shimmy at the Samoan tacklers then collecting one like Burden gave him in that World XV invitation game.

  • Comment 32, posted at 23.09.15 12:06:18 by The hound Reply
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  • @CS (Comment 25) :

    I didn’t say Lambie was dropped??? I said Lood.

    But is being “dropped to the bench”, not in fact being dropped?

  • Comment 33, posted at 23.09.15 12:06:36 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 24) : I agree on the Kolisi for Schalk suggestion… My thoughts on this is I suspect HM doesn’t fully trust Kolisi, so with Vermuelen starting for the first time in a long time, he thought he better have Schalk there as the “senior” loose forward in case Vermuelen is crocked within the first few minutes.

    JPP vs JDV also arguably an option… Again, my thoughts… he was selected into the squad as a wing, he should at least start his first game as a wing. I also think HM is giving JDV one last chance, but as other’s have said earlier… poor bugger, he’s on a hiding to nothing! :-(

    Lood vs Matfield… Matfield is HM’s man, he trusts him, he’s going to be captain when JDV get’s dropped. I think depending how the game goes he’ll pull Matfield off and then test Lood & Eben together. Lood on the bench instead of PSDT means he definitely rates Lood

  • Comment 34, posted at 23.09.15 12:10:36 by CS Reply

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  • Saturday will be the last time we see Jean de Villiers in action in a Springbok jersey.. I just hope he makes it until half time.

    As for Lood, I feel for the guy.. His time is now, and that time is taken away by a unretired fool.. That’s like swapping your new BMW for a scrapped 1990 Volkswagon that’s got some new paint work..

  • Comment 35, posted at 23.09.15 12:12:36 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • I won’t even begin to consider adding Lambie to my starting 15, because then I will only be seen as biased and I don’t think Pollard is a bad selection anyway, as I always believed he has talent, so keeping in mind that I actually prefer Lambie, here is the team I would have gone for if I had decided to give Pollard a start:

    15. Z Kirchner/ W Le Roux, 14. W Le Roux/ B Habana, 13. JP Pietersen, 12. D De Allende, 11. L Mvovo, 10. H Pollard, 9. F Du Preez (C), 8. D Vermeulen (VC), 7. S Kolisi, 6. F Louw (VC), 5. L De Jager, 4. E Etzebeth, 3. J du Plessis, 2. B Du Plessis, 1. T Nyakane

    B Mtawarira, F Malherbe, S Britz, V Matfield, PSDT, R Paige, P Lambie, J Kriel

    I’m undecided on Habana

  • Comment 36, posted at 23.09.15 12:12:56 by Letgo Reply
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  • I do like the Malherbe pick on the bench, he will strengthen the scrum when he comes on :-)

  • Comment 37, posted at 23.09.15 12:13:22 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 33) : Yes, you didn’t say Lambie, but someone else did and I couldn’t find their comment… so just threw it into a reply to your comment. Sorry :-)

    And no, I don’t think being on the bench is being dropped… especially in light of my other point whereby I think it is the goal of all the WC coaches to rotate as many players as possible for their 2nd game, to give as many in the 31 a chance as early as possible

  • Comment 38, posted at 23.09.15 12:13:30 by CS Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 35) : Agreed, just look at Victor, still hanging onto his post school long hair, he seems to think he is still 21. Give it up old boy!

  • Comment 39, posted at 23.09.15 12:15:43 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • @CS (Comment 38) : The biggest surprise for me is Bissie not being in the 23 at all, especially against the giants in the Samoa team…

    I can only think he’s injured, or HM is applying my “rotation” logic I used earlier to give his 2 back-up hookers a go… brave call!

  • Comment 40, posted at 23.09.15 12:15:50 by CS Reply

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  • @CS (Comment 28) :

    I feel Mapoe should be in the squad.

    I get the can’t stop reading thing.

    There’s not much left to do, but bash them. Or actually feel apposed to what they are doing with our teams.

  • Comment 41, posted at 23.09.15 12:15:51 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 35) :

    Hopefully it is not the last time we see him in a Bok jersey at the expense of the Boks reaching the quarter finals…

    and do you really think HM is giving Jean his last shot. I still feel Jean will play every 80 mins the Boks play this RWC.

  • Comment 42, posted at 23.09.15 12:17:41 by Letgo Reply
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  • Heyneke has quite simply now lost the plot…..completely.

    He does not know if he is Arthur or Martha…..I have never witnessed such chaos and confusion, and I have been watching rugby since 1976….slavishly !

    This train wreck of a campaign is reaching alarming proportions….farcial in fact…..

    I cannot believe that I am actually scared of matches versus Samoa and Scotland…..for goodness sake how the mighty have fallen….incredible!

  • Comment 43, posted at 23.09.15 12:18:17 by grant10 Reply

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  • Just imagine if we had Whiteley, Jaco Kriel, Nizaam Carr, Faf de Klerk, Harold Vorster, Lionel Mapoe, Steven Kitshoff, Julian Redlinghuys, Cheslin Kolbe, Senatla and Skosan to bring in….wow, what a difference that would have made…

  • Comment 44, posted at 23.09.15 12:19:47 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • @CS (Comment 38) : Don’t you think the aim of all the WC coaches is to have all 31 players fit enough to start and finish the first game,and failing that fit enough to start the second game.
    Only a really arrogant tosser selects players that still aren’t certain to be fit for the third game.
    To do that you must have gone into the competition believing its your God given right it make it through the play offs.

  • Comment 45, posted at 23.09.15 12:20:04 by The hound Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 29) : Flip… I hope not!! Cos that’s the only reason they were picked in the sqaud in the first place! If they do… we’re screwed!

    @Letgo (Comment 36) : Does “undecided” = “worried”… cos I’m worried about him. He is not on form AT ALL at the moment. Maybe it’s just that he doesn’t get any ball in the new “Schalk at Flyhalf” game plan?

  • Comment 46, posted at 23.09.15 12:20:16 by CS Reply

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  • I’m actually jealous Scotland have Dave Denton and Josh Strauss to call on…

  • Comment 47, posted at 23.09.15 12:21:42 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 27) : Agree. Esp loosies and fullbacks.

  • Comment 48, posted at 23.09.15 12:22:36 by Blue Centurion Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 45) : The All Blacks selected a guy who’s not yet ready for their 2nd game? Maybe Hansen’s a tosser too?

    But I agree on the arrogant expectation part… then again, don’t all South Africans believe its our God given right for our team (read Sharks & Boks) to be the best ALL the time? We certainly rant like we do.

  • Comment 49, posted at 23.09.15 12:22:48 by CS Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 42) :

    No, I don’t think this is his last shot, I think he will be carried off the field as a result of a Samoan tackle.

    He was jumping into the Japanese tackles, how is he going to try maneuver his way out of the heavier tacklers that are the Samoans..

  • Comment 50, posted at 23.09.15 12:24:42 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 50) : That’s my worry too… I fear he is going to leave this game as a broken man… literally :-(

  • Comment 51, posted at 23.09.15 12:26:00 by CS Reply

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  • Poor JDV, it looks like his cheek is also shattered! I bet his Faco-Maxillo surgeon is cringing everytime he goes into a tackle. For me he is going to get broken by the Samoans. He did some miraculous things recovering from that knee injury, but should have called it quits then, reputation intact…

  • Comment 52, posted at 23.09.15 12:28:36 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • It’s a tough one for JDV… after his horrific injury, he needed the motivation of a WC to help him through some dark days of rehab… but now that he’s there… even he must know he’s not actually ready for it.

    I would hate for him to be even further injured and left broken physcially and emotionally all for the sake of trying to give his all for the Boks. HM must help him by dropping him

  • Comment 53, posted at 23.09.15 12:28:59 by CS Reply

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  • @CS (Comment 51) : He is starting this game as a broken man…..literally.He has been chosen for 4 World Cups and the Japan game was probably the first one he lasted the full 80 .

  • Comment 54, posted at 23.09.15 12:30:33 by The hound Reply
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  • Never been a fan of de Villiers and dont think he should be there due to fitness concerns, but he’ll bounce back.

    You dont get to 100+ Bok caps by being sh!t, however much some on here wish to believe it.

    This team is a definite improvement.
    Its the gameplan that will determine success however.

  • Comment 55, posted at 23.09.15 12:31:29 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • As for the exclusion of Kriel, hes not an expeirenced centre anyway, and it shows in his defence.

    Great article by Gordon d’Arcy in the Irish Times today where he addresses this.

  • Comment 56, posted at 23.09.15 12:32:54 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 50) :

    Man, I didn’t even consider that. I am just pessimistic and twisted enough to feel Jean will make it through his first World Cup ever, in his worst form ever.

    The guy looks sickly though, I don’t know how you can select a guy to start when he looks ready to pass out.

  • Comment 57, posted at 23.09.15 12:33:32 by Letgo Reply
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  • Matfield and JDV could have been assistant coaches and motivators in the change room, far better that…

  • Comment 58, posted at 23.09.15 12:34:02 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 55) :

    Damian/Jan/Robert/Frans should have started ahead of him a long time ago.

    He didn’t start out shit, but he’s been shit for a while now. I always rated him, but he hasn’t been the best 12 in this country for the last few years.

  • Comment 59, posted at 23.09.15 12:36:25 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 57) : Take a look at at what Meyer looks like,I reckon he’s got just as much chance of leaving on a stretcher.

  • Comment 60, posted at 23.09.15 12:36:30 by The hound Reply
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  • Hahahahaha what a joke. Watch we will probably when so Meyer can tel us all how his ‘A team’ are good and must play every game.

    I will be rooting for another lose this weekend that’s for sure!!!

  • Comment 61, posted at 23.09.15 12:36:51 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Vermeulen also going to be rusty as well…has not played for ages….

  • Comment 62, posted at 23.09.15 12:38:41 by grant10 Reply

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  • I truly hope de Villers and Burger leave the field on stretchers.

  • Comment 63, posted at 23.09.15 12:38:47 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 59) :

    Agree on Damian, thats about it.

    Maybe Frans, if he’s focussed.

    But we are where we are – the fool only took 3 centres on tour, one of which isnt even a centre and two who cover the inside channel.

    I think HM to the very end was hoping Fourie would be available and he didnt have a Plan B (as usual).

  • Comment 64, posted at 23.09.15 12:38:58 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 59) : I firmly believe that we only won the 2007 WC because he got injured and 21 year old Frans Steyn took his place.

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  • I actually feel sorry for Heyneke, he obviously suffers from an anxiety disorder of sorts and really actually cannot handle the pressure. He is probably a great assistant coach. He went into the job believing he will cope and with the right intentions. As a person I think he is actually a very nice guy, but as a Springbok coach you cannot be a nice guy.

  • Comment 66, posted at 23.09.15 12:40:12 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • @Grasshopper (Comment 66) : You know what, as much as I hate him I think you’re right. I think this will have a big impact on his life, and I do feel sorry for him.

  • Comment 67, posted at 23.09.15 12:41:36 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 65) :

    Mate, we won the 2007 WC because we didnt play any of the big teams apart from England.
    That WC was gifted to us and nothing exceptional was required.

  • Comment 68, posted at 23.09.15 12:42:07 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @grant10 (Comment 62) : I heard he has lost about 7kg too, is that going to help him be quicker or less effective in going forward, time will tell. For me Warren Whiteley is the best No8 we have and I think many other countries agree with me. And Rob, it’s not Glenwood blinkers ;-)

  • Comment 69, posted at 23.09.15 12:42:19 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 60) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 70, posted at 23.09.15 12:43:25 by CS Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 67) :

    Well yeah, hes goign down in history as either:
    i) the guy who started the rot, or
    ii) the worst Bok coach in hisotry.

    ITs a sad end to what was a very successful coahcing career.

    Of course we could still win, whereafter we’ll hear every pensioner crowing about the value of expeirence. Stranger things have happened.

  • Comment 71, posted at 23.09.15 12:43:58 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 68) : And we pumped them 36-0 in the 1st round….

  • Comment 72, posted at 23.09.15 12:44:03 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • Can someone with some good information please tell me what is the storry with Marcell Coetzee? Is he injured? In or is he in Japan? Is it both? Is he currently playing any rugby?

  • Comment 73, posted at 23.09.15 12:45:00 by AYA11 Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 63) : No one should EVER wish that for any player… they don’t select themselves, they’re human beings and they have families :evil:

    FFS!!!

    ROB, you need to step in here! You don’t want people to talk about politics, but you allow idiots to spew crap like like this on this site!!!!!!!!

    F’ing dispicable!!!!!

  • Comment 74, posted at 23.09.15 12:45:38 by CS Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 62) :

    Yup. But hopefully the samoan game will be a bit slower, which will suit him.

    It scares me a bit that somebody thats just had neck surgery is facing these brutes in their first game back.

  • Comment 75, posted at 23.09.15 12:47:52 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @AYA11 (Comment 73) :

    He didnt make the squad. Not injured, just didnt make the cut.

  • Comment 76, posted at 23.09.15 12:48:45 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • HM sticks to his plans…come hell or high water. The teams for each of the pool games have been decided on a long time a go.

  • Comment 77, posted at 23.09.15 12:48:58 by bokbok Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 75) : He is Thor so should be OK. Whiteley should be starting this game really…

  • Comment 78, posted at 23.09.15 12:49:20 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 63) :

    You truly are a despicable young man.

    What have you ever done for your country, except for being a c*nt?

  • Comment 79, posted at 23.09.15 12:49:41 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Grasshopper (Comment 78) :

    Yeah im a big fan. And he adds pace, which is sorely lacking currently.

  • Comment 80, posted at 23.09.15 12:50:18 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 67) : You feel sorry for the impact this will have on HM’s life… but you wish players carried off the field on stretchers?

    You need your head checked man! Are you Schitzo?

  • Comment 81, posted at 23.09.15 12:50:23 by CS Reply

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  • Few saffas playing for the Scots against the Japanese today.

  • Comment 82, posted at 23.09.15 12:50:39 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • My mind keeps on wandering back to the Argie test in Durban when the camera panned in on Matfield and Du Preez sitting in the stands as if they were the Lord Chancellors of the city. There was just something so wrong with that image at that time.

  • Comment 83, posted at 23.09.15 12:50:42 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 83) :

    Haha, i remember that. Masters of all they could see.

    I find it distrubing that we’re playing a guy with a massive grey beard. Looks like Sebastian Chabal in the retirement home.

  • Comment 84, posted at 23.09.15 12:51:54 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 68) : That crap story again,
    We beat the team that came second twice,we beat the that came third,and along the way we beat the team that beat Australia,and the team that beat New Zealand.
    In our starting pool were the teams that came first and second.Gifted my arse,by who Australia,New Zealand ,France or maybe England who allowed us to beat them twice.

  • Comment 85, posted at 23.09.15 12:52:01 by The hound Reply
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  • So personal preferences for team selection aside i think we can all agree that the Boks need to win this game. (Well apart from those now supporting other sides) So based on this team how do we propose we should go about doing that? I mean our Japanese tactic of trying to run them over in midfield and then kicking it probably wont work here.

  • Comment 86, posted at 23.09.15 12:52:02 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 82) : Dave Denton and Josh Strauss..

  • Comment 87, posted at 23.09.15 12:52:35 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 85) :

    You can continue to believe the fairie tale mate.
    England mightve come second and Argentina mightve come third, but they were barely in the top 10 before that tournament started.

  • Comment 88, posted at 23.09.15 12:55:23 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Grasshopper (Comment 87) :

    And WP Nel.

  • Comment 89, posted at 23.09.15 12:56:38 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 79) : I picture him as being one of those toothless wankers who sits in the stands at Newlands wearing a Crusaders or All Blacks jersey! :evil:

  • Comment 90, posted at 23.09.15 12:57:08 by CS Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 88) : Were they also gifted their positions.
    The WC is ultimately a knock out completion,but please give us the benefit of your intellect and tell us where Japan were rated before this competition.

  • Comment 91, posted at 23.09.15 12:58:53 by The hound Reply
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  • @CS (Comment 90) : Oh yes those, who somehow believe they related to Maori’s just because they have a similar skin colour.

  • Comment 92, posted at 23.09.15 12:59:11 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 63) : :shock: not cool at all.

  • Comment 93, posted at 23.09.15 13:00:13 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Grasshopper (Comment 92) : I thought it was the language they had in common.

  • Comment 94, posted at 23.09.15 13:02:17 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 94) : called kak praat!

  • Comment 95, posted at 23.09.15 13:03:01 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 91) :

    Nah. Ive tried to help you enough.

  • Comment 96, posted at 23.09.15 13:04:45 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Grasshopper (Comment 92) : [email protected]CS (Comment 90) :
    Play nicely boys you know the President of W.P ‘s daughters also wear those jerseys to the game,and he probably would as well if he could find one big enough

  • Comment 97, posted at 23.09.15 13:05:12 by The hound Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 96) : Good choice like your shrink said flight over fight.

  • Comment 98, posted at 23.09.15 13:06:53 by The hound Reply
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  • Must take so much energy to continuously produce such animosity.

  • Comment 99, posted at 23.09.15 13:07:39 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 98) :

    Once youve beaten somebody down so many times, it becomes a bit of a chore. Also makes me feel like a bully when its that easy.

    As for the shrink comment, that just sounds desperate mate. You can do better, i know you can.
    Find a five yearold if you want a more original insult.

  • Comment 100, posted at 23.09.15 13:10:39 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Go Bokke!!! I’m just praying we win the game and win it well to restore some pride in the sacred green jersey.

  • Comment 101, posted at 23.09.15 13:10:43 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • @Grasshopper (Comment 101) :

    Im just hoping we win so there’s still something to play for in the last couple of pool games, for which i have tickets!

  • Comment 102, posted at 23.09.15 13:12:53 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 63) :

    I had very little respect for you little man, and now that little respect has gone down the drain and has been replaced by something closer to outright hatred..

  • Comment 103, posted at 23.09.15 13:13:56 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @CS (Comment 81) : It’s the only way they won’t be selected. But hey it’s the internet people like to take things to seriously.

    Need a point out that I made a comment about players, you chose to insult me, if Rob were to step in it should be for you insulting people…. :)

  • Comment 104, posted at 23.09.15 13:14:26 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 103) : It’s as if something of huge value has just been taken away from me.
    /s

  • Comment 105, posted at 23.09.15 13:17:16 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 105) :

    Well you got very little to lose, your integrity is already gone.

  • Comment 106, posted at 23.09.15 13:19:38 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 106) : Says the person who is happy to insult others over comments they make…. Keep trying maybe you will hurt me.

  • Comment 107, posted at 23.09.15 13:22:57 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Drops his best forward to the bench, and leaves the backline player that at least looked alive out of the team. JDV at 13 – eish??

  • Comment 108, posted at 23.09.15 13:23:23 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • So Meyer backs his buddies again and drops the few players that actually showed some forms against the Japanese, pathetic really. What a arrogant egotistical prick.

  • Comment 109, posted at 23.09.15 13:23:47 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • guys – please cut out the personal attacks.

  • Comment 110, posted at 23.09.15 13:27:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 35) : Have we not seen that movie before

  • Comment 111, posted at 23.09.15 13:27:26 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 109) : agree…he has lost the plot entirely

  • Comment 112, posted at 23.09.15 13:30:09 by grant10 Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 107) :

    Yeah i insult. But there’s a line. I do appreciate i get pretty close to it.

    Anyway, I dont need to hurt you. Life has seemingly already gotten you.

  • Comment 113, posted at 23.09.15 13:30:10 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 109) : Meyer lost my support ages ago… quite possibly years ago. This is just the end of a long tail.

    Perhaps we need to rather look forward and consider who is going to replace him.

  • Comment 114, posted at 23.09.15 13:30:37 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 110) : @VinChainSaw (Comment 113) :

  • Comment 115, posted at 23.09.15 13:31:28 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 108) : Ja, facepalm. :shock:

  • Comment 116, posted at 23.09.15 13:32:06 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 114) :

    Th silver lining to this campaign is that half the squad will be gone next year, hopefully with the entire coaching staff alongside them. Time to rebuild with the next generation.

    I foresee us going back to the system of picking local players next year.
    In fact i see a lot of Heyneke’s dispensations reversed.
    Allowing the Bok coach to pick overseas based players has not produced dividends im afraid. Thats what will be said anyway i think.

  • Comment 117, posted at 23.09.15 13:32:26 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 115) :

    Oh teacher, teacher, teacher…

  • Comment 118, posted at 23.09.15 13:33:08 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 117) :

    Are you in favour of going purely local, or what is your opinion on it?

  • Comment 119, posted at 23.09.15 13:33:21 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • It’s as if I am the first personal to be upset and make an extreme comment on the internet, luckily I don’t feel the need to insult other people regarding their comments.

    But sorry if getting angry about player section and being rude to players upset you.

  • Comment 120, posted at 23.09.15 13:33:31 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 118) : Lol you still going… You still not getting to me man :) .

  • Comment 121, posted at 23.09.15 13:34:29 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 117) : We can only hope…

    Meyer surrounded himself with Bulls yes-men. No one union should have such a big influence over Bok rugby. So if, for example, Gary Gold is the new Bok coach next year – his assistants cannot be guys that he pulls only from Durban. He needs to get assistants from across the country.

  • Comment 122, posted at 23.09.15 13:34:59 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 121) :

    Ive told you before – im not trying to get to you. youre just not important enough. The Hound is at least a worthy opponent.

    And life has gotten you already. No need to beat down on the already disadvantaged.

  • Comment 123, posted at 23.09.15 13:36:01 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 120) :

    Ah, poor guy.

  • Comment 124, posted at 23.09.15 13:36:18 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 122) :

    I truly hope that the first thing done under the new Coach is getting a selection panel in place.. That would immediately make a difference, in my opinion..

  • Comment 125, posted at 23.09.15 13:36:48 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Beautiful day today, isn’t it? :)

  • Comment 126, posted at 23.09.15 13:36:56 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 126) :

    Depends on your view…

  • Comment 127, posted at 23.09.15 13:38:22 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 125) : My memory seems to be reminding me that we used to have a selection panel in place and there was a lot of complaint about that as well.

    But anything is better than one airhead having total control

  • Comment 128, posted at 23.09.15 13:38:33 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 126) : :lol:

  • Comment 129, posted at 23.09.15 13:39:25 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • Then men he dropped weren’t the problem. I know it’s counter productive but I actually wish he loses with his geriatrics once again so the world can see him for a fraud.

  • Comment 130, posted at 23.09.15 13:39:50 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 119) :

    Yeah i think i defintiely am Rich.

    It hasnt always been this way, but my mind has deifnitely changed.
    I dont see merit in picking overseas based players.
    Rugby is even more about combos now than its ever been and you need pairings.
    I also think there are way too many issues around it. Continually trying to convince these players, issues with availability, different environs etc.

    The Jaque Fourie thing annoyed me immensely.
    And I dont think id like having to get JW to release half his side next year.

    ITs just easier – players are available for camps when needed, no jetlag, familiarity etc.

    And there’s the moral hazard to think about too.

    Just do it – not like our results can get any worse.

  • Comment 131, posted at 23.09.15 13:40:07 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 124) : I know right :mrgreen:

  • Comment 132, posted at 23.09.15 13:40:43 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Is anyone else concerned about the health of JDV? He looks like a skeleton compared to earlier this year!!!

  • Comment 133, posted at 23.09.15 13:41:08 by bokbok Reply

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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 128) : If your memory is reminding you, which part of your brain is agreeing with the reminder, your memory who remembers it?

  • Comment 134, posted at 23.09.15 13:41:27 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 125) : Is there not a selection panel already in place? I dont know if its the coach that should be setting up the panel, rather his employers. The coach needs to be part of the panel though.

  • Comment 135, posted at 23.09.15 13:41:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 125) :

    Im with you on that.

    But thats no help if you havent settled on a gameplan. Horses for courses and all that.

    I really think we need some collaboration in SA Rugby on where we want to go with the side. Not RWC to RWC, but longterm, what type of rugby do we want to develop.

  • Comment 136, posted at 23.09.15 13:41:52 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 128) :

    Look, everybody will always have a complaint, there will always be a biased Cheetahs supporter hoping his favourite player makes the cut.

    What it would prevent is total and utter rubbish selections to be made, like we have seen in the last few weeks. Meyer is screwed on so many different levels, thanks to brainfart he had while coming up with his 31 man squad. If that was done properly, we would have been able to select a better team now..

  • Comment 137, posted at 23.09.15 13:42:01 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Absolute disgrace

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 134) : That is my brain splitting into multiple personalities :shock:

  • Comment 139, posted at 23.09.15 13:43:00 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 131) : Agree 100% on not picking overseas guys. Also do you not get the feeling guts like matfield and schalk don’t have that virgin awe of going to a world cup therefore never the same level of inspiration and give it your all that a first timer has?

  • Comment 140, posted at 23.09.15 13:43:56 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 131) : I am in agreement on that. We have enough talent already in South Africa in my opinion. What we need is quality coaching. Both at provincial and international level.

  • Comment 141, posted at 23.09.15 13:44:04 by Ben Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 139) : Ha! Touche!

  • Comment 142, posted at 23.09.15 13:44:39 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Only a matter of time before Samoa and the likes of Fiji knock over the Boks and more proud records tumble. I’m even worried about the USA. If Japan can do it anyone can.

  • Comment 143, posted at 23.09.15 13:44:52 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 137) :

    I just find it astounding that not a single Lions player made the cut, when theyve been dominating the local scene of late.

  • Comment 144, posted at 23.09.15 13:45:39 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Maybe one should ask whether the form of players improves when they play overseas. To me it looks like just about every SA player has returned form-free from Japan. Most of the Boks in Europe have gone there to earn retirement money, so are at the tail end of their careers.

    We have more than enough excellent players plying their trade in SA, who are on form and chomping at the bits to pull that Bok jersey over their heads.

  • Comment 145, posted at 23.09.15 13:45:41 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 131) :

    I hear you, I’ve always been for the whole idea of players going where they want, and if you want the best team, you pick the best players, no matter where they are.

    But you mentioned the pitfalls around that, so it just doesn’t seem to work. For it to really be able to work, International Rugby would have to enforce an International Season, and not have the timing issued we have now.

    As for the impact on our team, it would remove some of the players, but if you really look at who will fall away, you are really only missing one or two guys that you really want there. And it might just persuade some of the youngsters to stay in SA..

  • Comment 146, posted at 23.09.15 13:45:50 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 136) :

    And that type of development would require buy-in from all the Unions, the players and all the coaches. And that would only truly benefit the Springboks if all the players in the squad play in SA..

    So yes, I see where you are coming from and I too am slowly changing my mind about Foreign Player availability..

  • Comment 147, posted at 23.09.15 13:47:36 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Difference for me between winning bok teams not so much the talent but the hunger. 95 we sent a bunch of local boys without big international contracts who were hungry for the game only. Japan are now those guys.

  • Comment 148, posted at 23.09.15 13:48:23 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 135) : According to Ray Mordt in the Tribune,its a one man selection committee,Meyer on his own.

  • Comment 149, posted at 23.09.15 13:48:32 by The hound Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 131) : Im not saying im totally against it but when you say local players do you just mean guys that play Super rugby? Also would you be happy going forward without guys like Bissie, Vermuelen, Frans Steyn, Kitshoff

  • Comment 150, posted at 23.09.15 13:49:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 148) : That’s the team u will support. Not this parody of a Heineke Meyer friends club. HM has too much power for a man with so little ability.

  • Comment 151, posted at 23.09.15 13:49:51 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 144) :

    It is astounding when you look at the Super Rugby log, and where the majority of the players came from..

    I can tell you one thing, if the Sharks or Western Province had had the season the Lions did ( exceeding expectation like they did), there would be a much bigger song and dance made of it in the media..

  • Comment 152, posted at 23.09.15 13:50:34 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 150) : I think they can and should be replaced. Else where does the next Thor bissie or Naas come from?

  • Comment 153, posted at 23.09.15 13:50:58 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 150) : Only selecting local players would hopefully be an incentive for players to return. As for the ones over there to make retirement money, they shouldn’t be selected anyway.

  • Comment 154, posted at 23.09.15 13:51:05 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 152) :

    That said, the Sharks would have to go through Super Rugby unbeaten and without any injury whatsoever if they are to exceed the expectations and hype created every pre-season…

  • Comment 155, posted at 23.09.15 13:52:14 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 149) : Is Ray Mordt on the selection panel? I didnt know he was.

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 63) : Really, you just verbalized that disgusting thought.

    Dude, you seriously need some help, if you wish injury on any player from any team. That is just such a small minded shitty attitude.

  • Comment 157, posted at 23.09.15 13:52:30 by Bump Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 149) : One doesn’t need a selection committee. Any coach worth his salt would have the required 5 brain cells to make decent selections and coach to the strengths of those players/combos or visa versa.

  • Comment 158, posted at 23.09.15 13:52:31 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 131) : Same sorta reasons changed my mind too.

  • Comment 159, posted at 23.09.15 13:52:33 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 150) : That’s the predicament that Heyneke will leave us in after the world cup. He didn’t blood any players to take their places.

  • Comment 160, posted at 23.09.15 13:52:37 by Ben Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 119) : i have to admit I support the Aus way of a number of minimum tests to be able to be picked. I would love the NZ way of no local play, no chance…but our economy hurts and the collective national pride towards the jersey does not allow for such a strict rule.

    what irks me is guys like Paul Willemse, Jacques Du Plessis, Cam Wright playing overseas as they know they can still make the Boks with current rules. If they do not want to be a Bok then so be it but if young guys had to play first 30+ tests before they can go and still be considered, maybe some guys would reconsider?

  • Comment 161, posted at 23.09.15 13:53:46 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 158) : But how often have we had a coach worth his salt? A selection committee will give a broader base of opinion. I’m all for it.

  • Comment 162, posted at 23.09.15 13:54:15 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 150) :

    I know you didn’t pose the question to me, but I feel like answering anyway…

    Bissie would be Matfield at the next World Cup, too old to make the impact he used to. The only player from those mentioned that I would like to have in the squad in 4 years in Kitshoff..

    I truly think he is a big loss to the Boks, and I will not be surprised if we see him turn out for France in a few years..

  • Comment 163, posted at 23.09.15 13:54:17 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 155) : 100% correct. :lol:

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 147) : Post this WC you will see an exodus of S.A players to Europe and Japan,as the rand gets weaker and weaker.
    We will find ourselves in a Brazilian type soccer scenario where all the players who can ,have gone.
    Our three best teams will be off shore.
    The Europeans are going to contact players much more strictly than the Japanese who still allow the players to return to South Africa to play Super Rugby.
    Our only hope for a more competitive Super rugby season is that our players go to Japan and not Europe.

  • Comment 165, posted at 23.09.15 13:55:21 by The hound Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 162) : That is the obvious question. Which of the other top 10 international sides have selection committees? Surely, we’re not the only country with clueless coaches?

  • Comment 166, posted at 23.09.15 13:56:35 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Kabouter (Comment 161) :

    I did give that some thought as well, but the Aussies minimum is 75 caps, so a player will have to be close to 30, if not already in his 30′s to be able to get selected.

    Then suddenly you have older guys taking the place of talented youngsters who are in form – and suddenly we are where we are within the current setup.

    But yes, a minimum of 30 or so caps would be more realistic in my mind..

  • Comment 167, posted at 23.09.15 13:57:10 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 153) : Yeh as i said thats all well and good. Just would be some seriously talented guys left out. But so be it. @Seth101 (Comment 154) : After the Frans Steyn debacle it wont entice any guy to come back after the way he was screwed.

  • Comment 168, posted at 23.09.15 13:57:24 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 145) :

    I cant really think of one player that has come back better, with the exception of Percy.

    This trend of players mvoing to Japna in the off season is also quite concerning. ITs 12 months of continual rugby if they are then selected for internaitonal duty.

  • Comment 169, posted at 23.09.15 13:58:16 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 76) : How do you know this?

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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 166) : Do you mean of the countries who play in our league I. E. The top 5 teams in the world? I know we can’t count ourselves there this year but we used to be top 5. If that’s the league we are and should be talking about then prolly none but us.

  • Comment 171, posted at 23.09.15 13:59:52 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 166) : We always used to have a selection panel to select the squad,but then we used to have trials as well.
    According to Mordt,Meyer is the sole selector of the squad,and he also said,Meyer selected and told the players 18 months ago.
    I always respected Ray .

  • Comment 172, posted at 23.09.15 14:00:45 by The hound Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 166) : If you list the top 10 not by current rankings but by their history of consistently deserving it. Who would they be?

  • Comment 173, posted at 23.09.15 14:01:17 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 163) : My questions dont discriminate- anyone can answer ;)
    I do get your thinking regarding how old a guy will be next world cup etc.
    So to answer you back- do you think its prudent to try pick your next world cup side the year after the last one? It means sticking with them for 4yrs…and we all know how form comes and goes and then there is always the injury thing like this year.
    I truly dont think it would be clever to select the core of the side 4yrs out and hope they will be around. Rather pick guys that were in the Bok side that are young and capable. Add to that form players irrespective of their age next world cup. So instead of selecting a side…id start to create a team culture where nobody is guaranteed a place. Form is taken into account but so too is pedigree.

  • Comment 174, posted at 23.09.15 14:03:55 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 150) :

    Yeah i would.

    These guys made their choice.
    And we’ll survive without them.

    I also cant really see how their heart can be in it when they are busy building lives for themsevles on the other side of the planet.

  • Comment 175, posted at 23.09.15 14:04:43 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • It just hit me that the Boks, in their current state, would be in the Second Tier for Rugby World Cup Pool selection for 2019, which could see us in the same pool as either New Zealand or Australia.

    That is a scary thought..

  • Comment 176, posted at 23.09.15 14:04:54 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 172) : I do respect Ray Mordt but is he on the selection panel? m not saying he isnt but if he isnt then he really is just shouting his mouth off to get attention and doesnt really know.

  • Comment 177, posted at 23.09.15 14:06:41 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 175) : And doing that is kind of divorcing yourself from this country saying you want to play somewhere else and live somewhere else even temporarily makes you a second class citizen. So first class boys should get first pick. If you chase the money at least face the repercussions.

  • Comment 178, posted at 23.09.15 14:08:19 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 172) :

    Also my understanding is HM is a one man band.
    No selection panel, no specialist advisers, just him and hand-selected band of brothers.

  • Comment 179, posted at 23.09.15 14:09:31 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 170) :

    How do i know MArcell didnt make the Bok squad?

  • Comment 180, posted at 23.09.15 14:09:53 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 175) : As i said im not totally against it. There are pros and cons. There is astill a good bunch of capped local players that could add ‘experience’

  • Comment 181, posted at 23.09.15 14:10:20 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 174) :

    Absolutely valid points.

    I am not saying choose 35 guys and play them for 4 years hoping they are all in form at the next World Cup. That is basically what Meyer did, and we all know how well that is going.

    My point is more towards starting a process in which you are best equipped to make a decision in four years. So yes, play the form players, whether he is 18 or 36, if he is the best in his position, he deserves to be there. But in the case of the 36 year old, know that he will more than likely not be around for the World Cup, and that succession planning should be in place for the day that player is no longer available. That would mean getting the next best form player and making sure he is in the setup so that he can step into the role at any time.

    If that was done four years ago, or started four years ago, then we would not have been in a position where a young lock who has never played on the flank is required to start the first World Cup match. Neither would we have one of the best Fullbacks in the country playing in the midfield.

  • Comment 182, posted at 23.09.15 14:10:26 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Bismarck is 31 now.

    Taking him to the next WC would be denying a younger player a chance to develop.

  • Comment 183, posted at 23.09.15 14:10:32 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 174) : You raise a very good point.Listening to Moodie and Charvis the other day,they put that into a kinda perspective.
    We play a WC every four years,we pick a coach and he picks a squad with that 4 year goal in mind.
    The 4 nations not only play WC,but every 4 years they also pick a British and Irish Lions team .
    So they play,pick and peak every 2 years.We do it every 4 years.
    I don’t think any coach should have 4 years to prove himself.

  • Comment 184, posted at 23.09.15 14:10:50 by The hound Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 24) : Mapoe is a lion … no lions allowed

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 169) : I think Burden has also improved.

  • Comment 186, posted at 23.09.15 14:13:01 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 178) : And one can also look at it from another perspective. Let’s use Cameron Wright as an example. If he has a great season for Montpellier and he gets picked for the Boks and he only gets one game. He then never gets picked for the Boks again. He is playing in France and surely he would have a good chance of being selected for France. This would all be thrown out the window because he played one game for the Boks. It’s simple for me really. Pick the guys that are in the country and want to stay here.

  • Comment 187, posted at 23.09.15 14:13:16 by Ben Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 180) : Funny man. The other part.

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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 186) :

    Very very true.

  • Comment 189, posted at 23.09.15 14:15:40 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 187) : Agree

  • Comment 190, posted at 23.09.15 14:16:06 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 171) : I’m referring more to countries with professional teams, which would naturally fall into our category and sort of our ranking. On your second question I would rate the top 10 (modern era historically) as: AB, Aus, Boks, Eng, France, Ireland, Argentina, Wales, Scotland, Samoa

  • Comment 191, posted at 23.09.15 14:17:42 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 178) :

    Agreed.

    And then there’s the fact that they are being paid yet another salary on top of the one they earn abroad. But the salary is a pittance compared to what they are paid abroad – meaning SARU are not the paymasters.

    And it means a local player doesnt get to top up his SR rugby salary and then also starts looking abroad for a more lucrative payday.

  • Comment 192, posted at 23.09.15 14:18:23 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 187) :

    Didnt that happen to Sowerby?

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  • @Grasshopper (Comment 44) : wayyyyyyy to many Lions i fear :P

  • Comment 194, posted at 23.09.15 14:19:17 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Die Kriek (Comment 2) :

    YES YES YES !!!

  • Comment 195, posted at 23.09.15 14:19:37 by Den Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 175) : Bit rich coming from you.You earn a living on the other side of the planet.
    Rugby changed 20 years ago,if you think that a rugby player with a playing window of 6 to 10 years ,is going to choose a Blazer over a small/large fortune you are very naive.
    We are now sitting on nearly 15 Rand to the dollar,its going to get worse,so if my son was to ask my advice on heading for Europe for three seasons or staying in South Africa so that the next coach can pick Victor Mattfield ahead of him,guess what my advice would be.

  • Comment 196, posted at 23.09.15 14:19:39 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 172) : Wasn’t that the pre-professional way? I remember there used to be Bok trials and everyone looked forward to seeing who would be in the Possibles or Probables sides. Oom Danie used to sit in the stands with his emotionless brulpadda look and check out the talent.

  • Comment 197, posted at 23.09.15 14:20:34 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • Worth noting the English refuse to even pick a player who is playing in France.
    Hence why Armitage isnt at the RWC, despite being one of the best in the world.

  • Comment 198, posted at 23.09.15 14:21:36 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 196) : Can’t argue there. The fucked up thing is that a potential AB’s father would never have to worry about crap like that.

  • Comment 199, posted at 23.09.15 14:22:41 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 196) :

    Why is it a bit rich? Im saying DONT pick them.

    As for being naieve – are you saying that all the players currently in SA are naieve? Because they could all theoretically go. As could every skilled person. Yet millions choose not to.
    Millions choose the sunshine over the £/$.
    Large numbers of players have zero interest in moving abroad. It certainly isnt for everyone.

  • Comment 200, posted at 23.09.15 14:24:35 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 199) :

    Except that James o’Connors dad is a kiwi.
    As is Quade Cooper’s.

  • Comment 201, posted at 23.09.15 14:25:26 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 194) : Ohhhh…that’s why we lost to Japan…red and white getting revenge!

  • Comment 202, posted at 23.09.15 14:26:17 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 200) : As they say – the grass isn’t always greener on the other side.

  • Comment 203, posted at 23.09.15 14:26:52 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 203) :

    Yeah exactly.

    In the last RWC the kiwis were the most represented side.

  • Comment 204, posted at 23.09.15 14:28:53 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 110) : Thank you.

  • Comment 205, posted at 23.09.15 14:29:09 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 200) : Whatever.

  • Comment 206, posted at 23.09.15 14:30:55 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 206) :

    Well done.

  • Comment 207, posted at 23.09.15 14:32:26 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 184) : Yeh i just think be are perhaps a bit naiive trying to pick a side for the 2019 rwc in 2016. Form, injuries and the game itself changes so much in a 4yr period. I think you may have brought it up about the length of time of a coaches contract- i think it should be 2yrs with a possibility of another 2 after an assessment in year 2. Same with the players…i really dont think we should be looking too much at which players will be there at the next world cup. We should pick players that will win the next game the Boks play, then the next game. Form and pedigree should be the main criteria. As well as being in SA, apparently a lot of people are for that.

  • Comment 208, posted at 23.09.15 14:36:14 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 201) : Neither kept out of the AB squad by over the hill coach favourites.

  • Comment 209, posted at 23.09.15 14:38:43 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 110) : Sorry Rob my bad and will do.

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 182) : For me its about creating a Bok culture regarding selections. Everyone always wants form players to be picked which is great but also a tricky topic because what if the guy continues to be on form…do you keep picking him or do you rotate him out the side to create depth? And then how long do u rotate him out for? What if he then isnt in form when you want to rotate him back? Selections are very tricky

  • Comment 211, posted at 23.09.15 14:40:27 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 193) : Kind of, yes.

    But he was still playing in South Africa when he got selected. Made his Bok debut in 2002 and never played for the Boks again.

  • Comment 212, posted at 23.09.15 14:40:59 by Ben Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 191) : Ja I think that net is too wide. Professional meaning getting paid for playing and it being your profession. That would include teams that simply cannot measure up to top 5 or 10. That also means Japan prolly pushes argentina out since they are the epitome of professional rugby. But that being said if we list the coaches of that top 10 I struggle to find any as clueless as our boy HM.

  • Comment 213, posted at 23.09.15 14:41:49 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 206) : Very mature. ;) :)

  • Comment 214, posted at 23.09.15 14:42:02 by Ben Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 213) : Exactly! :lol:

  • Comment 215, posted at 23.09.15 14:45:35 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 215) : Which is why he needs crutches. Like a selection comitee even if only to prevent the special little man from hurting himself.

  • Comment 216, posted at 23.09.15 14:47:33 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I feel quite bad for the scrummies left in SA.

    FDP is long past his best and has been playing in Japan for 4 or 5 years.
    Ruan has never lived up to the hype and has been abroad for several years himself.

    What does that say to the young scrummies in SA? It says “go abroad young man”.
    As Kokkot did.

  • Comment 217, posted at 23.09.15 14:48:34 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 216) :

    Im just curious who he turns to for advice?

    I get the impression he’s circled the wagons and only trusts his own judgement.

  • Comment 218, posted at 23.09.15 14:49:35 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 215) : That being said. If Eddie Jones makes it to bok coach then we won’t need it. But it’s like saying we have a good president we don’t need a tip top watchdog to check up on him. You will always get new presidents and some may not be as honest and then you will wish the structures were already in place.

  • Comment 219, posted at 23.09.15 14:50:12 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 63) : To think in this way is really wrong, but if you can’t stop yourself from thinking in this way then you should really find a way to rather just keep it to yourself. Like they say – some things are better left unsaid. Just some advice, use it, don’t use it, it’s up to you. As you were…

  • Comment 220, posted at 23.09.15 14:52:19 by Ben Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 218) : One room with Heyneke Meyer and nine mirrors. That’s our selection panel. :roll:

  • Comment 221, posted at 23.09.15 14:56:36 by Ben Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 218) : He strikes me as the kind of guy who surround himself with yes men. Else he could have had a far better assistant staff by now. I mean have a look at who his assistants are. Sure they are competent but the springbok coach could probably have had the best at his disposal why the current crew. Ricardo Loubser a good guy I’m sure but the best for that position and van graan? Is he the best forwards coach in the country or just a son of a friend and ex bulls fraternity?

  • Comment 222, posted at 23.09.15 14:57:22 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 221) :

    Ahahahahahahahaha. true that.

    Im gonna borrow that one i think!

  • Comment 223, posted at 23.09.15 14:57:31 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 220) : It probably was a bit extreme, and in truth I probably didn’t mean it, I am angry at the selection not the players.
    I do however find it funny how personally people take it, and how they feel they can insult me over it.
    Also a bit sad that people need to personally insult, and that Rob does nothing about it. I have a feeling if I were to personally insult someone it would be different.

    Anyway, thanks, advice taken :) .

  • Comment 224, posted at 23.09.15 14:59:12 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 224) : Don’t sweat it, we all learn from our mistakes.

  • Comment 225, posted at 23.09.15 15:00:38 by Ben Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 222) :

    Yeah, almost the same all-Bulls coaching staff of 10 years ago.
    Still trying to play the same sort of rugby too.

  • Comment 226, posted at 23.09.15 15:02:47 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 224) : I’m very pissed at Heyneke Meyer for driving this Bok franchise into the ground. I’ve let it be known many times that I think he is a bloody fool, but I would never wish any bodily arm onto him. I mean seriously, his brain is damaged enough already. ;)

  • Comment 227, posted at 23.09.15 15:03:37 by Ben Reply
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  • Bok selection committee. Ray Mordt, Gert Smal, Morne du Plessis, Francois Pienaar, Danie Gerber, Henry Honiball. I puposely didn’t pick Naas we can all agree on why.

  • Comment 228, posted at 23.09.15 15:04:25 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 224) :

    You playing the victim eh?

    It wouldve been soooo much better for you if youd just said “sorry, i over-reacted”, instead of trying to point fingers at others and justify your comment.

  • Comment 229, posted at 23.09.15 15:05:46 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 228) : No Ashwin Willemse? :shock: :twisted:

  • Comment 230, posted at 23.09.15 15:06:38 by Ben Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 228) :

    Please excuse my ignorance, but why?

    Has anybody got any further info on his mysterious disappearance Saturday?

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 228) : Gert Smal is aligned to a union so shouldnt be there if you going for the unbiased look. Francois Pienaar-really?

  • Comment 232, posted at 23.09.15 15:06:50 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 219) : With winning results nobody needs checking up on.

  • Comment 233, posted at 23.09.15 15:07:00 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 227) : When I made the comment it was more to infer that it would be the only way the players would not be selected. I guess not being specific made it come out as super mean to the players.

    And shame no, the pressure must be painful enough. Honestly I do feel he needs to step down even if he is still offered another 4 years after the WC. Even he must realize he can’t do the job.

  • Comment 234, posted at 23.09.15 15:07:43 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 229) : It’s the ignorance of youth my friend, we’ve all been there.

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 226) : Yup and if they were to give him advice it would be like hearing his own voice. I mean van graan also needs to do some explaining for the japan fiasco but then again he and Heineke were “two men one brain” again. I just wonder which one of the coaching team’s turn it is with the brain this week…

  • Comment 236, posted at 23.09.15 15:08:08 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I dont think a selection panel of more than 3 is required.

    Its not a democracy. I do think it wouldve been useful to have 3 as the other two could over-rule the coach.

  • Comment 237, posted at 23.09.15 15:08:21 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 231) : Apparently had a Hall of Fame induction thing he had to be at…

  • Comment 238, posted at 23.09.15 15:08:25 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 230) : Nope no Gary Gold or John Smit either …in case you were heading in that direction.

  • Comment 239, posted at 23.09.15 15:09:04 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 229) : @Seth101 (Comment 120) :

  • Comment 240, posted at 23.09.15 15:09:09 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 231) : Somebody said that he and his daughter had to catch a plane to attend an event. Can’t remember the details.

  • Comment 241, posted at 23.09.15 15:10:00 by Ben Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 232) : You don’t rate Pienaar as a great leader and knowledge of what makes a great selection?

  • Comment 242, posted at 23.09.15 15:10:07 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 236) :

    I get very frustrated when people dont know when to seek advice.

    Its very, very arrogant to think you have all the answers.

    And yeah, theyve been working together for years and years – how much of a different perspective could they possibly offer each other?

  • Comment 243, posted at 23.09.15 15:10:53 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 237) : In that case what’s your pick? I picked many since we need more than one forward and backline player expert. I also think an ex coach or two should be in there.

  • Comment 244, posted at 23.09.15 15:12:56 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 239) : You read my mind. :lol:

  • Comment 245, posted at 23.09.15 15:13:22 by Ben Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 240) :

    Thats not an apology mate.

    “Sorry if you’re offended” is very different to “sorry about what i said”

  • Comment 246, posted at 23.09.15 15:13:25 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 242) : Possibly yes and he has done well in business. My argument would be that he captained in an amateur and very different era. In terms of him deciding on players- i dont think he has any real ‘qualifications’ for that. Well none more so than anyone that has played for the Boks. So yeh perhaps ability to pick a leader…but adding any more value, im not sure

  • Comment 247, posted at 23.09.15 15:13:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 244) :

    To be completely honest, i really dont know.

  • Comment 248, posted at 23.09.15 15:14:29 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • But my selection aside I think honest unbiased bok trials is still the best selector. And maybe have them once a year or two years not just once off.

  • Comment 249, posted at 23.09.15 15:14:39 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Gentlemen on a side note, how did we again get marius van der westhuizen as ref. The man clearly doesn’t like our team or marco.

  • Comment 250, posted at 23.09.15 15:15:12 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 248) :

    I might be tempted to use an outsider. One that is not clouded by IOUs, provincialism or politics.

  • Comment 251, posted at 23.09.15 15:15:29 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @jdolivier (Comment 250) :

    Marco’s not playing.

  • Comment 252, posted at 23.09.15 15:16:51 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 246) : I am not sorry about that, I made an angry extreme post on the internet, I am not the first nor the last. I never broke any site rules, unlike others.
    Could I have said it better, yes.
    And am I sorry if it offended people, yes.
    Take it or leave it, I am not worried. At the end of the day I didn’t stoop down to personal insults, and I am happy about that.

  • Comment 253, posted at 23.09.15 15:16:52 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 253) :

    So why are you still on here talking about it if it doesnt bother you?

    Its funny watching you try to squirm and justify yourself.
    Just man up and it goes away.
    Right now you’re coming across as a bit of a weasel.

  • Comment 254, posted at 23.09.15 15:17:36 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Need your help guys. I’m thinking of a guy that played for the Lions some 8 years or so ago. He was flyhalf. Everyone loved making jokes about him. What is his name?

  • Comment 255, posted at 23.09.15 15:20:32 by Ben Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 254) : I am not squirming…. I was reading the discussion, Ben said something to me and I replied, you said something to me and I replied…. It’s pretty simple :/

  • Comment 256, posted at 23.09.15 15:21:23 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 255) : Andre Pretorius

  • Comment 257, posted at 23.09.15 15:21:25 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Scotland vs Japan coming up shortly.

    GO NIPPON!!!

  • Comment 258, posted at 23.09.15 15:21:38 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 257) : No

  • Comment 259, posted at 23.09.15 15:21:39 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 255) :

    Andre Pretorius?
    Mr Glass?

  • Comment 260, posted at 23.09.15 15:22:45 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 259) :

    What did he look like? Whats his claim to fame?
    8 years ago would make it 2007?

  • Comment 261, posted at 23.09.15 15:23:39 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 260) : No, the coloured guy.

  • Comment 262, posted at 23.09.15 15:23:41 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 262) :

    Elton Jantjies?

    Earl Rose?

  • Comment 263, posted at 23.09.15 15:23:56 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 261) : It might have been more recent than eight years ago. Can’t remember.

  • Comment 264, posted at 23.09.15 15:24:30 by Ben Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 263) : Earl Rose, yes. Thanks.

  • Comment 265, posted at 23.09.15 15:24:55 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 262) : Earl Rose?

  • Comment 266, posted at 23.09.15 15:25:11 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 266) : Woops bit late :)

  • Comment 267, posted at 23.09.15 15:25:38 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 249) : haha everyone is biased, its just the degree that varies. But yes i have advocated the Bok trial idea. Once before the June internationals and once before end of year tour

  • Comment 268, posted at 23.09.15 15:25:44 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 264) :
    Earl Rose was about that time.

    Ex WP guy. Played with gloves, dad was a little, erm, over-bearing?

    I think he was involved in the PdV blackmail tape if memory serves?

  • Comment 269, posted at 23.09.15 15:25:59 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 249) : How about Earl Rose on the selection panel? :lol:

    What is he up to lately?

  • Comment 270, posted at 23.09.15 15:26:01 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 259) : You have to be more specific. 8 years ago everyone was making fun of all the Lions players. Including all their flyhalfs. Needle in a haystack here bud….

  • Comment 271, posted at 23.09.15 15:26:02 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 271) :

    Earl Rose copped a shedload of abuse.

  • Comment 272, posted at 23.09.15 15:27:16 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 270) :

    I think he’s involved i club rugby in the strand, last i heard.

  • Comment 273, posted at 23.09.15 15:27:39 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 273) : Yeah, I see he played sevens for you guys in 2014.

  • Comment 274, posted at 23.09.15 15:29:11 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 255) : Snorre’s best man, Earl Rose

  • Comment 275, posted at 23.09.15 15:31:09 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 273) : Remember what we just said about Meyer’s coaching team? Check out ww ougrote. com/2012/11/19/ricardo-loubscher-out-of-his-depth/

  • Comment 276, posted at 23.09.15 15:32:12 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 242) : As an alternative suggestions…what about a selection panel of either all ex bok coaches- so in effect right their wrongs collectively. Or a panel of ex bok captains? So as an example a panel of say Strauli, Mallet, White, Pdivvy + current coach. OR Teichman, Krige, Vos, Pienaar + current coach?

  • Comment 277, posted at 23.09.15 15:37:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 277) : Are you pitching chaos theory?

  • Comment 278, posted at 23.09.15 15:38:18 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 276) :

    Oh man, that doesnt make for pleasant reading.

    When will these guys learn: there is no more place for passengers in international rugby.

  • Comment 279, posted at 23.09.15 15:39:23 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 279) : Yup but it was predicted 3 years ago and bears fruit.

  • Comment 280, posted at 23.09.15 15:40:19 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I think we could do something revolutionary.

    Select the team by the fans via a smart phone app.

  • Comment 281, posted at 23.09.15 15:41:49 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 256) : Leave it man,you made a bad remark so what, you at least had the balls to apologise,this guy is professional troll,he will goad you till you insult him back ,then he cries foul and what do you know the powers to be on the site rally to protect him.
    Can’t quite work it out,he hangs around a Sharks site ,but hates anything Black and White.
    Best thing with a troll don’t feed it.

  • Comment 282, posted at 23.09.15 15:42:35 by The hound Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 280) :

    oh yeah!

    Was right on the money. Supposedly RL said after the loss to Japan that only small adjustments are necessary for success…

  • Comment 283, posted at 23.09.15 15:42:54 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 278) : Im working on the hindsight is 20/20. All those guys been there, done that and im sure they would love to change some of the things they did. The also have different ideas so not just 1 type of player will be picked.

  • Comment 284, posted at 23.09.15 15:43:21 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Talking about backline coaches. Any news on what plans Pieter Rossouw has for the future?

  • Comment 285, posted at 23.09.15 15:44:06 by Ben Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 282) :

    Just because somebody disagrees with your narrow-minded, verkrampte, bone-headed view on the world doesnt make them a troll.

  • Comment 286, posted at 23.09.15 15:45:25 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 282) : Thanks man, yea I made a mistake and said sorry. I won’t be pushed into stooping down to that level, don’t worry :) .

  • Comment 287, posted at 23.09.15 15:45:29 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 287) :

    No, you definitely didnt say sorry.

    Again the comprehension lesson: Saying “Im sorry you feel that way” is not the same as saying you’re sorry for your actions.

    Dont they school you guys in Natal?

  • Comment 288, posted at 23.09.15 15:46:29 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 286) : Again with personal insults?

  • Comment 289, posted at 23.09.15 15:46:30 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 289) :

    Nah, just a description of the guy.

  • Comment 290, posted at 23.09.15 15:47:04 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 288) : I said I am sorry if I upset anyone, and I am. End of story.

  • Comment 291, posted at 23.09.15 15:47:24 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 290) : A negative description, literally the definition of a personal insult….

  • Comment 292, posted at 23.09.15 15:48:14 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 291) :

    So youre not sorry for what you said?
    Youre only sorry that people got offended by it.

  • Comment 293, posted at 23.09.15 15:48:20 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Japan 7 – 6 Scotland

    16 minutes.

  • Comment 294, posted at 23.09.15 15:49:29 by Ben Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 292) :

    Well i cant lie now, can i?

  • Comment 295, posted at 23.09.15 15:49:53 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 294) :

    Cheers for the rmeinder. Its going on the big screen!

    Laters homos.

  • Comment 296, posted at 23.09.15 15:50:18 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 293) : I have made what I am sorry for pretty clear now.

  • Comment 297, posted at 23.09.15 15:50:22 by Seth101 Reply
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  • If Samoa beats us it will be the first time ever in all the games we played each other internationally and professionally. First time ever. Do you guys think that’s a big incentive especially given what Japan did?

  • Comment 298, posted at 23.09.15 15:51:40 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 297) :

    Well, exactly. Seems we agree on something.

  • Comment 299, posted at 23.09.15 15:52:21 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 298) :

    Id be surprised if we lost.
    Despite all that has been said, the Boks are best when written off with their backs against the wall.

    It wont be pretty though.

  • Comment 300, posted at 23.09.15 15:53:22 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 300) : But the lure is pretty great so Samoa will Def be putting in some

  • Comment 301, posted at 23.09.15 15:54:30 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 301) : Extra love in their tackles. ..

  • Comment 302, posted at 23.09.15 15:55:05 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 298) : I think its always an incentive for any team to beat the Boks no matter who it is. Trust me the Poms cant wait to get one over the Boks as we have got the better of them lately. Same goes for teams like Wales and Scotland and Italy etc. Possibly the only teams a bit over the Boks are NZ and OZ cos we play them so often.

  • Comment 303, posted at 23.09.15 15:55:08 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Japan 7 – 12 Scotland

    21 minutes.

  • Comment 304, posted at 23.09.15 15:55:59 by Ben Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 295) : let it go now, please. I don’t want to have to do something I don’t want to do

  • Comment 305, posted at 23.09.15 15:56:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 303) : But now it on the table. Way more than any other time.

  • Comment 306, posted at 23.09.15 15:57:38 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 306) : Yeh look possibly. But i think being a world cup it was there before the comp started. Samoa kno a win against the Boks or Scotland probably gets them a spot in the QF.

  • Comment 307, posted at 23.09.15 16:00:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Well let’s see. But as you said they like crashball too so our outdated plan will probably work for us this week. I hate that it will because we don’t adapt or change if it does. But probably will work.

  • Comment 308, posted at 23.09.15 16:04:22 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 308) : “Crashball’ works if u getting over the advantage line and are able to secure your own ball. If you get dominated in the tackle and have a messy breakdown then crashball strategy isnt going to work. Boks need to pick and drive a lot this game and if we do kick it needs to go out- def dont want those chaps running it back

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  • https://www.facebook.com/161706480520891/photos/a.161713713853501.38753.161706480520891/1076708475687349/?type=3&theater

    Boks “most experienced players”.

  • Comment 310, posted at 23.09.15 16:09:28 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 309) : Eng played a predominately crashball game against Fiji- difference being that their players fought through the tackle and got over the advantage line and the support players cleared the ruck/tackle quickly and effectively. Yes its a limited game plan but it does still work with provisos

  • Comment 311, posted at 23.09.15 16:11:02 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Crashball also only works when your strike runners are taking the ball at pace, not statically like ours were.

  • Comment 312, posted at 23.09.15 16:12:11 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 312) : Like fdp or his flyhalf schalk burger? I wonder if that was on purpose for HM to get his way in selection. But then I think nah no one can be that egotistical can they throw a game just to get their way for the rest of the series. Right? Right? …..

  • Comment 313, posted at 23.09.15 16:16:17 by coolfusion Reply

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  • What a tackle!!! has to be one of the best try saving tackles I have seen.

  • Comment 314, posted at 23.09.15 16:19:35 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 313) :

    hahahaha, i would dearly like to give him that much credit.

  • Comment 315, posted at 23.09.15 16:19:37 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Well whatever the case and however much I despise Heineke’s tactics or find his reasoning laughable. I hope we do win even if it kinda casts pat lood and kriel in a questionable light. For the players sakes. We do still have a bunch of young gifted guys and I would like to see them come back better for this experience, not crushed and full of doubts.

  • Comment 316, posted at 23.09.15 16:23:44 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Japan 10 – 12 Scotland

    45 minutes.

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  • Japan 10 – 17 Scotland

    49 minutes.

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  • Japan 10 – 24 Scotland

    56 minutes.

  • Comment 319, posted at 23.09.15 16:55:03 by Ben Reply
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  • Jeepers Jones! I think Eddie signed too soon. If he pulls this one off he will be the most sought after coach on the world. Even WP would be able to afford him….

  • Comment 320, posted at 23.09.15 16:56:32 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 320) : Wouldn’t that is to say….

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 224) : Rob unfortunately cannot be in all places at all times and does also have a job to do during the day.

    One of the best things about this place is that for the most part, the discussion is self-moderating because everyone knows the rules and just gets on with things.

    Me having to intervene and come and clean up is thankfully rare – and boy, do I hate having to do it?

  • Comment 322, posted at 23.09.15 17:00:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • Japan 10 – 31 Scotland

    64 minutes.

  • Comment 323, posted at 23.09.15 17:02:50 by Ben Reply
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  • Bonus point try to the Scots.

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  • Japan 10 – 38 Scotland

    70 minutes.

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  • @robdylan (Comment 322) :

    Dunno, do you? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 326, posted at 23.09.15 17:10:38 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 325) : Oh so that’s what you’re supposed to do against a minnow team…..wow. hope his highness is paying attention.

  • Comment 327, posted at 23.09.15 17:13:00 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Scotland having no problem putting a spirited Japan away. Why could we not do it?

  • Comment 328, posted at 23.09.15 17:13:49 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Scotland putting things into perspective.

  • Comment 329, posted at 23.09.15 17:13:50 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • Japan 10 – 45 Scotland

    74 minutes.

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  • Full Time

    Japan 10 – 45 Scotland

  • Comment 331, posted at 23.09.15 17:22:07 by Ben Reply
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  • Samoa must really be fancying their chances now of beating the Boks.

  • Comment 332, posted at 23.09.15 17:31:44 by Ben Reply
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  • To be fair, though. Japan played their ‘final’ against the Boks. They didn’t have much left in the tank for the Scots.

  • Comment 333, posted at 23.09.15 17:32:58 by Ben Reply
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  • Can you imagine if we kept Jake White and his next move was to lure his buddy Eddie Jones over to be head coach for sharks?

  • Comment 334, posted at 23.09.15 17:51:25 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Bokke will need to step up or they will not make it out of the group stages!!!!!

  • Comment 335, posted at 23.09.15 17:59:39 by JD Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 334) : Fap fap fap

  • Comment 336, posted at 23.09.15 20:39:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 334) : Can you Imagine if my Aunty had balls? she would have been my uncle :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 337, posted at 23.09.15 21:02:23 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 336) : Oh Shyte Sorry Rob I promised to behave lol
    :mrgreen:

  • Comment 338, posted at 23.09.15 21:02:58 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • So the Merry Scots go forward while we sitting dreading whats next to come pfffffft :???:

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  • I believe that if HM is going with Fourie at 9 he must get Morne back in the game asap as Steyn is the only FH who can execute his so called gameplan and we will need an accurate and long range drop kicker to save our games.
    I agree with the Reset button article and the more I see the opponents play the more I see how far SA rugby is regressing. Even Romania can kick our butts these days

  • Comment 340, posted at 24.09.15 11:23:44 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 337) : I prefer not to imagine or fantasize about your aunties genitals. But you can feel free to continue to do so if it pleases you….; )

  • Comment 341, posted at 25.09.15 06:16:59 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 341) : Oh and I don’t know how to do emoji on the smartphone. But that one was a joke.

  • Comment 342, posted at 25.09.15 06:18:18 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 322) : Rob be honest, you just love to strap on the sjambok!

  • Comment 343, posted at 25.09.15 10:05:16 by Bump Reply

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  • @Bump (Comment 343) : you know me too well.

  • Comment 344, posted at 25.09.15 10:21:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 341) : Speaking of aunties:

    What did the one saggy boob say to the other…

    We better perk up or people will think we’re nuts!

  • Comment 345, posted at 25.09.15 17:08:03 by CS Reply

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