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Du Preez the Sharks’ (next) saviour?


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 28 Sep 2015 at 09:58
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I’m usually loathe to pick up on speculative stories, preferring to wait for rather more solid confirmation before sharing the snippets I pick up. At a time when Sharks fans are desperate for any hint of news – and in the absence of anything concrete from Sharks HQ indicating the way forward – I thought I would relax that restriction a little and share a rumour that appeared in a major KZN newspaper over the weekend.

Former Springbok and Sharks scrumhalf Robert du Preez is said to be well in the running to take over as head coach for Super Rugby in 2016. Du Preez, who cut his coaching teeth at College Rovers, has been working with the Pukke and Leopards teams for the last few years and together with assistant James Small (a Sharks team-mate) has done some very good things in Potchefstroom.

With Gary Gold saying (and proving) that his role is not meant to be a hands-on coaching one, the Sharks appear to desperately need a strong head coach. Whether du Preez, who despite his successes over the last few years has yet to prove himself at any level beyond Currie Cup First Division, is the right man to take the step up to head coach of such a demanding Super Rugby franchise is perhaps debatable. It is also not clear whether du Preez would have any say in who his assistants would be – whether he’d be able to bring Small with him, for instance, or rather continue to work with the existing assistant coaches.

We’ll have more on this story if and when it actually turns into something more concrete.



246 Comments

  • I’ll venture an opinion on this one. Rob is at least a much better candidate compared to the previous rumoured coach – Grant Bashford. I think we could use a authoritarian at the Sharks. Since Mitchell and Smit don’t see eye to eye, Rob is not a terrible prospect (barring his lack of credentials at SR level).

  • Comment 1, posted at 28.09.15 10:02:36 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Is he friends with John Smit? ;-)

  • Comment 2, posted at 28.09.15 10:04:25 by Leeubok Reply

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  • I would rather get someone who actually has SR experience, but at this point I will take anyone who is not Gary Gold.

  • Comment 3, posted at 28.09.15 10:08:17 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Well I wont complain.

  • Comment 4, posted at 28.09.15 10:08:34 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • Maybe just what we need.. Will eagerly be watching this develop

  • Comment 5, posted at 28.09.15 10:12:26 by Another Nick Reply

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  • Don’t know much about his coaching credentials because I don’t really follow the competitions he’s involved in, but I have a feeling we need an established world class coach.

    The question is, is nobody with a great reputation available or can’t the Sharks afford a high profile coach?

    B.t.w. what is Robbie Deans up to these days?

  • Comment 6, posted at 28.09.15 10:16:25 by Pokkel Reply
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  • This would be a definite step in the right direction.

  • Comment 7, posted at 28.09.15 10:16:26 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • I wonder if he does come, if he would be bringing Small with him? I for one hope so. The more players of the Team of The 90′s we can get involved the better, those guys knows what it feels like to actually have a passion for the jersey.

  • Comment 8, posted at 28.09.15 10:16:32 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • Who knows how well he will be able to take the step up to SR.

    I like that he is a former Sharks man. Also, hoping that if he does get announced as coach that it is announced with the spwsification that he can bring in his own assistants. I think that is important for any coach.

  • Comment 9, posted at 28.09.15 10:16:52 by Letgo Reply
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  • You have got to be fucking kidding me! We are not some micky mouse club for coaches to come learn they trade and experiment using our players!! John smit fuck off! We need to stop this former players crap coming in and doing things they are not qualified to do( yes butch I’m talking about you too add botes aswell) we need to hire the best damn it :mad:

  • Comment 10, posted at 28.09.15 10:17:52 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 6) : Coaching in Japan , Panasonic Wild Knights as far as I know.

  • Comment 11, posted at 28.09.15 10:18:14 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Leeubok (Comment 2) : Isn’t everyone in world rugby aside from Plumtree and Mitchell friends with John Smit? ;-)

  • Comment 12, posted at 28.09.15 10:19:28 by vanmartin Reply
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  • It worries me that the Sharks ‘are possibly looking’ at du Preez while the Stormers got Eddie Jones. Has John Smit run out of mates to appoint?

    What is the Sharks finances like? Are we paying Gold to much and cannot now afford a high profile coach? Are the Sharks SO shit that no high profile coaches want to come to Durban?

    I dunno, I see a bleak immediate future for the Sharks and there isn’t even a candle shining at the end of the tunnel.

  • Comment 13, posted at 28.09.15 10:22:24 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 13) : I may take some heat for this comment but I suspect the two, least popular SA coaching gigs right now are probably coaching the Springboks and the Sharks. There’s so much work necessary simply to buy back some good will from the supporters.

  • Comment 14, posted at 28.09.15 10:26:54 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Yes it would be great to have a super internationally experienced new head coach, but seeing as at least two coaches (that we know of) has already turn down the job I personally think Rob is a good choice as he’s one of the best in SA that is currently available and having played for the Sharks and coached at club level in Durban he would already have some knowledge of the structures and culture!!!!!!!

  • Comment 15, posted at 28.09.15 10:28:08 by JD Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 13) : think it’s not that the Sharks are shit but that they (in recent times) have a tendency to fire a coach after one bad season!!!!!! Not a very stable employment forecast for any new coach!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 16, posted at 28.09.15 10:31:37 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 15) : There is a hell of a big difference between club rugby/ Varsity cup/CC B division and Super rugby.

    Can we really afford another failed coach?

  • Comment 17, posted at 28.09.15 10:37:41 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 12) : ohhh . I hear JDV is available :twisted:

  • Comment 18, posted at 28.09.15 10:38:33 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 17) : well seeing as we do not know who else turn down the job I’d rather have him than carry on as is!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 19, posted at 28.09.15 10:41:35 by JD Reply
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  • This may work, It worked out for the Lions with Johan Ackermann, and he has done great things there.

  • Comment 20, posted at 28.09.15 10:41:44 by Sagroup Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 18) : Bring him on, I say! :smile: At least he is the buddy/buddy like coach that the Sharks players prefer. ;-)

    But on a serious note, the Sharks probably need a no-nonsense coach and let him work without considering the feelings of the poor players.

  • Comment 21, posted at 28.09.15 10:46:10 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 10) : thank you ,and now the respect for this once mighty,feared franchise has gone out the window and by those allegedly in control,what an insult what a disgrace

  • Comment 22, posted at 28.09.15 10:46:45 by benji Reply
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  • @Sagroup (Comment 20) : I think you guys should get somebody that does not want to catch a lot of shine . somebody who comes in and does the job . If this goes through i would be excited for you guys

  • Comment 23, posted at 28.09.15 10:50:02 by Zibbie Reply
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  • I’m not sure guys. SA has proved time and again that they are behind when it comes to coaching be it ruck technique, space manipulation etc… I actually heard from a reliable source that Sean does not come up with his own backline moves. He looks at what moves other teams are playing, copies them and the guys practice and implement those moves. Question is, what is your success rate if the entire world has seen that move. How sure is he that he is fully understanding that move and therefore coaching it properly? I for one want a tried and tested coach. Get an international coach and get that coach to pass on the skills to Rob and James. Rob as forwards coach and James as backline coach. No Sean please.

  • Comment 24, posted at 28.09.15 10:52:54 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • From what I can gather, Smit and Du Preez dont fall into the buddy buddy category.

  • Comment 25, posted at 28.09.15 10:53:18 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Get rid of Smit and Gold and stop messing around and go get Deans,enough of this nonsense already

  • Comment 26, posted at 28.09.15 10:54:18 by benji Reply
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  • Firstly i think we need to get over the misconception that Durban is every coach in the worlds preferred destination and all it would take for them to come is a phone call…sorry to say we are a bit disillusioned.
    Then in terms of Dupreez im surprised as the reason he left was he was overlooked in kzn so didnt leave on the best terms. Also it could create a slight conflict of interest coaching his own kids- unless they are perhaps leaving? She whilst i wouldnt turn down Rob DuPreez, i do find it a bit sceptical

  • Comment 27, posted at 28.09.15 10:59:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 3) : Ackerman had no SR experience and he has done a sterling job with the Lions.

  • Comment 28, posted at 28.09.15 11:02:08 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 27) : I think there are two misconceptions here:
    1. The Sharks can simply summon any coach they want
    2. The Sharks can afford any coach they want

  • Comment 29, posted at 28.09.15 11:04:01 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 10) : Actually, at the moment you aren’t far off. The Sharks have fallen way off the standards that they had a few years ago. Besides, take Ackerman as an example. Previous experience is no guarentee.

  • Comment 30, posted at 28.09.15 11:04:46 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • Maybe we can buy Akkers.

  • Comment 31, posted at 28.09.15 11:07:19 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 29) : 100% on the mark there!

  • Comment 32, posted at 28.09.15 11:12:02 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Walking out of K.P. it was quite sad to see the miserable crowd that pitched up on a long weekend for a Friday night Bulls game.The sad part was that most of them were very relieved that we never got the proper caning they had been expecting.
    This is the team that a few years ago,most of fans had a genuine belief that we would beat a full British Lions side.Now we are happy with a loss in a serious playoff decider.
    Probably the most relieved guy was Gold who is a mediocre person with limited aspirations and achievements.
    Sorry forget any sentiment and get in a coach who hates losing and can do something about it
    Gold is probably totally happy we are not on the rock bottom of the log.
    Robert might not have all the coaching skills and the glib P.R chat,but he is a proud guy who as a player never shied away from the coal face.He is a grafter and a motivator and a man who can speak from a position of experience.
    If we don’t get him we should as fans/season ticket holders/stake holders insist on some one that will not accept anything but the best.

  • Comment 33, posted at 28.09.15 11:20:08 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 33) : Yeah, I just hate that cloud of doom that is hanging over KP at the moment. I used to love going there, would look forward the whole week until match day. Now I have to drag myself all the way there every home game, and once the final whistle blows, I’m just happy that I get to leave and go home. I so miss days like the 2008 and 2010 CC finals.

  • Comment 34, posted at 28.09.15 11:30:41 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 33) : I was also at the game, and I didn’t go expecting a win, so in a way I was happy we didn’t get hammered, but you’re right, we should always expect to win. We’re the Sharks!

    I think it might be a good thing to get Rob in, but his lack of top experience worries me.

  • Comment 35, posted at 28.09.15 11:32:02 by StevieS Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 34) : Amen to that.

    We need the crowds to want to go back. Walking back from the game I found unused tickets lying on the floor near one of the parking areas.

  • Comment 36, posted at 28.09.15 11:33:10 by StevieS Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 34) : The one positive is that that was the last home game of the year,what a shite season,and honestly what a waste of a season ticket.

  • Comment 37, posted at 28.09.15 11:34:20 by The hound Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 36) : For the first time since I can remember they are selling parking on the day,in areas that if your Dad or Grandad didn’t have a season ticket you had a snowballs hope in hell of getting in.

  • Comment 38, posted at 28.09.15 11:38:26 by The hound Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 28) : Rudolph Straueli coached Border (very well) before taking the Sharks to a Super 12 final and then moving on to the Boks.

  • Comment 39, posted at 28.09.15 11:38:58 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 37) : This year has been the worst since I moved down to Durban and watched my first game life at the Tank in 2007. Since then I have very seldom missed a match at home but yeah, I am so glad our home games are finished, and it even makes me ashamed to think like that.

  • Comment 40, posted at 28.09.15 11:40:46 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 38) : That’s really bad :shock: :shock:

  • Comment 41, posted at 28.09.15 11:52:25 by StevieS Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 27) : No interest. Look at England. Issue goes beyond that. He has no record at this level and it would not be fair to all stakeholders to bring him in. The pressure is too much at this stage. As I said earlier, bring them on as assistants with the aim of succession planning after 3 to 5 years. Worked wonders for Ackermann. Stormers are doing the same. Please Sharks board no more of these games. I will serve divorce papers to the Sharks if they bring another coach without a proven record. I can’t take it anymore.

  • Comment 42, posted at 28.09.15 11:52:27 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 27) : Yep, thats why Im of the impression that he is not part of the buddy buddy culture.
    As for coaching his kids Im sure he has been doing that for the last 20 years in any case.

  • Comment 43, posted at 28.09.15 11:52:49 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • So then what top class coaches that have already coached at SuperRugby level or its equivalent are available and in the market.

  • Comment 44, posted at 28.09.15 12:04:28 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 39) : Hence I say the game has changed, heck, I will even say the rules where changed so that SA and their boys don’t dominate world rugby. We have unfortunately not been able to adapt. We still have the talent but don’t have the skills to unlock that talent within these new rules. Remember how effective Eddie made us in 2007 and he was so easily able to dispose of us in 2015. Why? Cause we are still applying the same tactics that allowed Australia to beat us 49-0. Province, with all the skilled players only managed 7th on the 2015 SR combined log. Let us stop fooling ourselves.

  • Comment 45, posted at 28.09.15 12:06:26 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 42) : What has experience got to do with it,Gold arrived with great credentials, 4 years as an assistant bok coach,credentials at W.P ,in the U.K and Japan.
    Steven Larkam on the other in his first year as a coach made the Super rugby final, Todd Blackadder won it in his first year.
    If you want a proven record then Luddekke is your man,2 super rugby titles.
    We need a coach who understands the Sharks culture,the Sharks fans and the hunger we have to win.
    Robert at the moment is the best option that has been mooted.

  • Comment 46, posted at 28.09.15 12:06:36 by The hound Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 43) : Its very different coaching your kids at home or in the gym, very different matter coaching and selecting them in a professional environment.

  • Comment 47, posted at 28.09.15 12:09:46 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 33) : What is his record and experience at this level? Let us not put ourselves through this shit again. Get a proper coach. Hope John has approached the likes of Warren from Wales.

  • Comment 48, posted at 28.09.15 12:12:01 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 42) : If there is a coach with a proven track record and is willing to come to the Sharks thats fantastic. I just havnt heard or seen anything to suggest that is the case. And a proven record at international level? provincial level? There not many of those guys out there- and if they are out there it means they have been let go from a coaching positional because they failed or did not work out well. There pros and cons to every coach.

  • Comment 49, posted at 28.09.15 12:12:07 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 49) : So would you be happy with Luddekke he ticks all those boxes.

  • Comment 50, posted at 28.09.15 12:14:38 by The hound Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 30) : no can’t be are you sure?!?!?! It seems as if some people here think you need to be coaching for 20 years before you can be considered as a good coach!!!!!!!!!! Even Cheetahs are ahead of us and they only have a Varsity coach!!!!!!!!!
    Now let me think back how did our last two “big name” coaches go?????

  • Comment 51, posted at 28.09.15 12:16:08 by JD Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 44) : AND WILLING TO MOVE TO DURBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 52, posted at 28.09.15 12:17:04 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 50) : Wouldnt be my first choice. Although i probably wouldnt complain that much. I dont think 1 man makes a massive difference- he would need good help….

  • Comment 53, posted at 28.09.15 12:17:22 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 46) : 100% correct!!!!!!! Rather have Rob than Ludekke, HM or Snorre!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 54, posted at 28.09.15 12:22:37 by JD Reply
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  • Rob. I’ll try and find out what Robert Du Preez himself have to say.

    My Father knows the guy for over 20 years now and is in Potchefstroom.

    Will probably have some news next week.

  • Comment 55, posted at 28.09.15 12:23:49 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 53) : ja but then again one man can cause a hell of a lot damage to a player and team and could cause them to lose confidence!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 56, posted at 28.09.15 12:27:30 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 46) : No. If you say Gold had a proven track record before joining us you set the bar very low. He inherited a well oiled rugby team and if stories are to be believed, the players coached themselves. Ludeke inherited a well oiled machine and when it came time to change with the times, he failed. Larkham was brought up in an environment where space manipulation was invested and actually played an integral part in developing this ball in hand game. He was further put into a SR coaching set up with a RWC winning head coach and a former Brumbies head coach. Must I go on? Rob and James need to have a succession plan under a head coach with a proven record at this level. I can’t be reading shit like we forget to practise defence during the off season again. Hell NO. I will not stand for that shit. I like the potential of Rob and James but please, let’s have a plan for them to take over in 3 to 5 years.

  • Comment 57, posted at 28.09.15 12:29:04 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 53) : No man even if he arrived with Graham Henry and Martin Johnson as his assistants he would never work at the Sharks.
    I might be naive,but I really think a coach of a Super rugby team is not there to develop skills in his players.By the time they qualify for the team they should be fully formed.Head coach’s job is about making a team out of individuals.Best coaches are the ones where the team is more important than any individual.Gary Teichmann’s Sharks were like that.
    For a good few years now at the Sharks ,individuals were allowed to grow bigger than the team.
    Jake White’s demise is proof of that.
    We need a guy who is tougher than the players,who knows the culture and who can build a team from nothing if need be.

  • Comment 58, posted at 28.09.15 12:31:14 by The hound Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 56) : It would require a very vindictive guy to achieve that. If players are that fragile then they were always going to fail, was just a matter of time.

  • Comment 59, posted at 28.09.15 12:31:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 58) : I agree with you regarding the head coach and teaching skills. I also think any skills that need to be refined need to be worked on by the various assistant coaches. The reason i say Ludeke is that he has shown that he can get a team to win. Is he a good long term prospect at the Sharks, probably not. But he has a record of creating a team that wins. Whether they play attractive rugby is a different topic and im afraid not 1 the Sharks can worry about at the moment. We just need to irk out wins no matter how. So yeh he wouldnt be my first choice…but wouldnt be my last either.

  • Comment 60, posted at 28.09.15 12:38:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 59) : so you think what JW did to Esterhuizen was right and justified and that he is weak for deciding to move if JW stayed?!?!?! You also think the treatment Esterhuizen received did not have an impact on the other players hearing and seeing what he was doing?!?!?!? Dream on my friend!!!!!!!!!!
    Let me tell you coaches can make or break a player and SA rugby is full of examples of good players being “broken” by idiot coaches!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 61, posted at 28.09.15 12:40:14 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 58) : Agree. But the head still needs to be able to devise a strategy and be able to direct his assistants to ensure that all the systems are in place to execute that gameplan. These guys understand the culture and would therefore be able to provide the required help to the head coach. We don’t have the coaching skills in the country. Yes the Lions look good during the CC cause they are competing against poorly coached teams. Come SR, different story. I know SA is a proud rugby nation and find it difficult to accept that our coaches are just not cut out at SR level. Time to deal with the facts on the table, we need help.

  • Comment 62, posted at 28.09.15 12:41:12 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 61) : JW was not happy with Esterhuizen’s skill set at the time…so he could either try include him where possible or cut him loose. Judging by what ive seen of Esterhuizen this year JW was bang on- the guy can only catch and run into people. He he sometimes breaks the advantage line but JW wanted a guy that can handle the ball. So are players inadequacies now the coache’s fault? We are serious misguided if we think coaches have broken any SA players.

  • Comment 63, posted at 28.09.15 12:51:46 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Honey Badger (Comment 55) : what ever you do just keep him of the blog!!!!!!!!!! If he reads some of these comments he will never move to Durbs again!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 64, posted at 28.09.15 12:53:17 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 51) : To be fair Franco did coach in Italy for quite a few years. Treviso if I recall.

  • Comment 65, posted at 28.09.15 12:53:59 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 62) : So question…are the coaches not up to it or are the coaches doing the best they can with players that are big and bulky and can just catch and run into players? Yes im generalising and yes a new breed of player are slowly coming through and coaches are now being able to expand- think Bulls, Lions and WP. Unfortunately good ol Durbs isnt getting any of those guys.

  • Comment 66, posted at 28.09.15 12:56:25 by SheldonK Reply

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  • This,in my opinion,is the best rumor to come out of Durban thus far!!!Get the proud ol’boys involved!Hope this is actually true!Muir nor Struelli didn’t have any big coaching experience,guess how far they took us?We need this!!

  • Comment 67, posted at 28.09.15 12:57:03 by BarendL Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 63) : yes because you as a coach needs to help the player to fix it and not just shift him to another position!!!!!!!! Why could Toulon fix Burden’s problems in less than six months but in all his years at the Sharks they could not!!!!!! Skills can be toughed and made better!!!!!!!! If you can only work with the finished product you’re not much of a coach and should maybe only coach international sides where you can pick only top players from top teams!!!!!!!!!!! As for coaches breaking players Brent Russel, Gaffie du Toit?!?!?!

  • Comment 68, posted at 28.09.15 12:58:46 by JD Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 65) : did not know that still a lot of the guys here would say it’s not good enough to coach the Sharks as only a top coach like JW will do……… oeps forgot we had him and he was let go after only one season!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • @JD (Comment 68) : Its not the Head Coach’s job to fix technical skills. He doesnt have the time for that. If players have a weakness they need to get it right with the specialist coaches in the forwards or backs and in their own time. Coaches at that level dont have time to babysit guys. The Burden example just shows that our assistant coaches are not up to it in Durban. In terms of Brent Russel- i dont see how a coach broke him? As for Gaffie- yes he had talent but was as fragile as glass mentally hence the outcome.

  • Comment 70, posted at 28.09.15 13:03:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 70) : Agree.

  • Comment 71, posted at 28.09.15 13:09:22 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 63) : Here in SA we are way too quick to discard a players because of his lack of certain skills, rather than invest time in honing and developing said players skills. Why do you think so many players that were average here in SA went on to become very good players in overseas teams? Until we can change that mindset that a player is suppose to be the finished article as soon as he runs onto a professional pitch, we will never be consistent world beaters.

  • Comment 72, posted at 28.09.15 13:11:48 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 72) : Ok the question to you then- where do we hone these skills? It cant be in the top provincial side as we want the side to win games not help players develop. So then we send them back to the clubs where they arent happy and leave for overseas where sides run extended squads. At the moment there is no platform where we can work on players with skill limitations.

  • Comment 73, posted at 28.09.15 13:13:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 73) : We used to identify top players and sent them through to coaching academies. Remember how good a young Frans Steyn came back from Murray Mexted’s Academy? Plus then we used to have a skills coach as well, remember how we played in 2007 and back then The Sharks had a dedicated skills coach in Campo. The truth is that these days in professional rugby, there is just way too much for a three man coaching team to do.

  • Comment 74, posted at 28.09.15 13:20:58 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 52) : At this stage I would just like to know who, “with the right criteria” are available and in the market – I dont know of anyone but Im probably half asleep again as any name that is mentioned is apparently not good enough.

  • Comment 75, posted at 28.09.15 13:22:15 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 47) : It probably wouldnt be ideal but Im sure it can be done in the professional era, especially if those kids virtually select themselves.

  • Comment 76, posted at 28.09.15 13:24:31 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 75) : I think we’ll have a good idea post RWC. :smile:

  • Comment 77, posted at 28.09.15 13:25:26 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 74) : The SA players do not seem to have the patience to wait around to be taught. Having a skills coach would only help if players are willing to be in an extended squad and work on their skills and only be picked when their skills are adequate or there is an injury.To be blunt guys would rather spend the time in the gym getting bigger than spend time of the field improving their ball skills.

  • Comment 78, posted at 28.09.15 13:27:51 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 61) : Not only Esterhuizen, he did the same to his own son.

  • Comment 79, posted at 28.09.15 13:30:10 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 76) : Look his kids are good players but not fully established guys if that makes sense? So should their dad coach and they be selected there will always be those players and supporters that will question if there on merit or favourtism, especially f they have a poor game.. Yes perhaps not warranted but it can affect a player and coach. Rather something you want to avoid if possible. But would also be different in say 2yrs time if the brothers were established first team regulars.

  • Comment 80, posted at 28.09.15 13:30:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 77) : I wonder if we will even know then. Surely there must be some journalist out there with inside information of who will be in the market and when. The soccer journos seem to be on top of player manager movements long in advance.

  • Comment 81, posted at 28.09.15 13:57:38 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 81) : I think the difficulty comes in as most guys are technically still under contract till at least after the RWC (well in terms of the international guys anyway). The club guys would obviously all be under contract too so unless their teams bomb its unlikely they would leave. So its pretty much a waiting game.

  • Comment 82, posted at 28.09.15 14:25:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 82) : My Christmas wish list would be John Plumtree back as DOR,John Mitchell as Head Coach,assisted by Carlos Spencer,Robert Du Preez and Ballie Swardt.Pigs could fly swell I know.

  • Comment 83, posted at 28.09.15 14:54:01 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 83) : Hmm id tweak your idea a bit. I think Rob DuPreez would make the better DOR- seems to be a good tactician. I would get Plum to Assist Mitchell and Spencer. I wouldnt bother with a scrum coach- the way they are reffed its a lottery anyway

  • Comment 84, posted at 28.09.15 15:07:49 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 83) : Now you are talking. I would go back to sleeping well at night knowing that the Sharks are in good hands.

  • Comment 85, posted at 28.09.15 15:17:26 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 83) : I think Plumtree would despise being thrust into a DoR role. He seems like a more hands-on type of guy.

  • Comment 86, posted at 28.09.15 15:37:00 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 72) :

    The Waratahs sent Sarel Pretorius packing before his contract ended, because they felt his passing skills weren’t up to standard for a scrummy.

    JW asked Tim Whitehead to work on his speed before he would consider him in his backline. Tim packed his stuff and is now playing for the Kings and is still to slow to play in the backline and to small to play in the forwards.

    Andre imo still has a long way to go to have the required handling skills to become a proper 12. I think Jakes idea to move him to flank was a bit close minded though, as SA have plenty of good loosies, while we could use another big strong 12,… I wonder how Esterhuizen reacted when Jake told him he didn’t have the handling skills required for a 12?

    I’m just saying, Jake seemed to have gotten a lot out of many players, the ones that didn’t do well under him, maybe simply clashed with him, or didn’t respect him enough to value his opinion regarding their game.

    As far as I know one of the big problems were players getting upset about longer “working hours” and Jakes headmaster attitude. That sound like a slacker reason for being unhappy.

  • Comment 87, posted at 28.09.15 16:03:11 by Letgo Reply
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  • You guys are placing far too much emphasis on Robert du Preez’ perceived lack of senior coaching experience. You are forgetting that he will have the super experienced wily tactician Gary Gold to guide him when it comes to strategy and tactics.

  • Comment 88, posted at 28.09.15 16:07:07 by jonnow Reply

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  • @jonnow (Comment 88) : :mrgreen: :lol:

  • Comment 89, posted at 28.09.15 16:10:57 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • I would prefer a Robert du Preez with a HRE scenario as atleast HRE knows all these players, even Bashford

  • Comment 90, posted at 28.09.15 16:11:53 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Look I am also of thought that we need a top experienced coach, but if we cannot afford or cannot get one then I suppose R Dup is not a bad bet as he knows the Sharks the culture etc.

    James Small can assist him yes but I feel he would need like I said before a HRE or Bashford to assist him, these other guys know all these players etc.

    As for Forwards coach I see they have someone from over seas?

    Our current assistants should coach junior levels till they are experienced enough, currently they are failing, another problem area in coaching and player recruitment is our academy,

  • Comment 91, posted at 28.09.15 16:18:37 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 64) : Haha
    The only thing is he is like Mitchell, Jake White and Nick Mallet.

    Our guys want a friend not a coach like it should be.
    He won’t take the bs of the players

  • Comment 92, posted at 28.09.15 16:19:14 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • Robert Du Preez is all about dissapline

  • Comment 93, posted at 28.09.15 16:31:33 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 83) : I heard that when offered the Stormers post Plumtree sat his family down and the family voted on the move…..Plum voted yes but he was out voted by the family…..not sure if its true but there you go…..also heard Plum keen on Bok job.post Heyneke

  • Comment 94, posted at 28.09.15 16:56:18 by grant10 Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 94) : That was in the press. lol They had a movie clip with a SA coach telling the story

  • Comment 95, posted at 28.09.15 16:58:49 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 95) : LOL…Incredible stuff….Plum would have been my 2 nd choice….Mitchell my first!

  • Comment 96, posted at 28.09.15 17:02:08 by grant10 Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 96) : Correct Grant, BTW sorry I missed out on that cold one a few weeks ago, just ran out of time, will make sure when I come down again to take a few days more, was looking forward to it, also missed out on my mate Dave at the Sharks supporters club in Clairemont.

  • Comment 97, posted at 28.09.15 17:17:53 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Is he the kind of guy who would enjoy coaching his sons? Don’t know enough about him as a person to know… If so, Rob du Preez back from WP would be a nice bonus

  • Comment 98, posted at 28.09.15 17:34:53 by JR Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 70) : sorry but I disagree with you. As head coach he should have instructed assistant coaches to sort it out not decide to move him to another position where he never played before!!!!! As for Brent not being picked in one position but stuffing him into flyhalf/fullback/wing ended in him not reaching his full potential!!!!! Jack of all trades but master of none!!!!!

  • Comment 99, posted at 28.09.15 17:57:53 by JD Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 79) : and he’s first choice for which team now?!?!?!

  • Comment 100, posted at 28.09.15 17:59:07 by JD Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 75) : ja not sure either?!?!?! Makes me think of some of these mothers where no woman will be good enough for their son!!!!!

  • Comment 101, posted at 28.09.15 18:01:56 by JD Reply
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  • Buddy-buddy coaching has really worked at the Sharks hasn’t it.

    If the Sharks need to purge all of their player stocks due to the spoiled brat culture, then so be it.

    If they want friends, join facebook….you wana play for our team – harden up. No more holding hands talking about your feelings.

  • Comment 102, posted at 28.09.15 18:03:25 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 73) : That prop from SA that went to the Landers said the coaching there was completely different, with major emphasis on skills coaching – he’s now the proud owner of a SR winners medal.

    Ditto with Potgieter, said Cheika was the best coach he ever played for – he’s also the proud owner of a SR winners medal.

    At the end of the day, the head coach runs the show…the buck starts and stops with him – he needs to plot out his plan to turning a team into a winning outfit – that includes skills development (whether through assistant coaches, specialist coaches or an academy).

  • Comment 103, posted at 28.09.15 18:15:57 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 10) : Two words: Johann Ackerman…

  • Comment 104, posted at 28.09.15 18:16:25 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 104) : Just to expand on my point here: I am not going to predict that this will be a good move…that has proved to be a dangerous business where the Sharks are concerned! But Johann Ackerman (and haven’t we all wished in recent times that he was ours!) was a former player with no credentials who turned out beautifully as a coach! And Rob at least has the potential to be like that…and has shown clear signs of fulfilling that potential. For now that is good enough for me…

  • Comment 105, posted at 28.09.15 18:22:19 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Meh. I’ll wait to see where this goes.

  • Comment 106, posted at 28.09.15 18:47:19 by coolfusion Reply

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  • The thing about johan akkers is that he has some hughly skilled assistants working with him

  • Comment 107, posted at 28.09.15 18:50:10 by byron Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 13) : Look, when John Smit fired John Plumtree in the way he ultimately had to(and I place more blame for that on Mallett than on Smit)…and then Jake White…well, let’s just say that at least made it tough for us to convince people to come here…sad but true…

  • Comment 108, posted at 28.09.15 18:52:19 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 97) : next time !

  • Comment 109, posted at 28.09.15 18:59:28 by grant10 Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 103) : so true

  • Comment 110, posted at 28.09.15 19:02:52 by grant10 Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 93) : but not about spalling

  • Comment 111, posted at 28.09.15 20:07:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 111) : So he doesn’t enjoy breaking ore/stone into smaller pieces?

    I’m confused, surely we don’t want a miner…hehe

  • Comment 112, posted at 28.09.15 20:33:02 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 111) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 113, posted at 28.09.15 20:49:28 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 112) : :lol:

  • Comment 114, posted at 28.09.15 20:49:52 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @grant10 (Comment 110) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 112) : @sharks_lover (Comment 113) : funny lot!!!! Geez I love spel check!!!!!

  • Comment 115, posted at 28.09.15 21:45:40 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 111) : Rob how big must the Superbru pool be to qualify for one of those trophies above your name?

  • Comment 116, posted at 28.09.15 21:48:37 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 116) : :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 117, posted at 28.09.15 22:23:01 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 111) :
    :lol:

  • Comment 118, posted at 28.09.15 23:42:05 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 111) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 119, posted at 29.09.15 07:43:11 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 116) : it just needs to be the Sharksworld official pool

  • Comment 120, posted at 29.09.15 08:35:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 103) : Yes there is a skills emphasis there- but its prom both the coaches and the players. Players in SA much more concerned with their gym work. When asked the difference between Sa and NZ Carlos Spencer said in New Zealand they look for skilled rugby players and then condition them whilst in SA we try find the best conditioned guys and try make them rugby players. So yes a Head Coach needs to take responsibility for skills but if he spends all week trying to teach the guys to pass then when it comes to the weekend game and the team has no clue then what?? What those guys fail to mention about the OZ and NZ environment is that players are made to take responsibility for themselves and their own development, yes aided by the coaching structure but end of the day its on them. Treat players like babies and you get beaten like an ugly kid like our SA guys do in Super rugby

  • Comment 121, posted at 29.09.15 08:39:21 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 99) : I just think its funny how we blame SA coaches for ‘ruining’ players by shifting them around but guys like Ben Smith and Beaudon Barratt dont seem to have any problem performing. It the perennial SA problem…always look for someone to blame

  • Comment 122, posted at 29.09.15 08:40:55 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 105) : Yes Ackermann has done well but dont discount the different environment he found himself in. Yes the Mitchell departure wasnt ideal but Mitchell had created an environment of discipline and focus at the Lions. Ackermann kept that as his base and was able to expand on it. Jake White saw the need for a disciplined environment at the Sharks like the days of Ian Mac…and well we all know how well White’s idea turned out. Coaches can have the best plans but with no player buy in you just wasting your time.

  • Comment 123, posted at 29.09.15 08:45:07 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 121) : Agreed – these players are grown men – not babies.

  • Comment 124, posted at 29.09.15 09:23:24 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 120) : thanx must I e-mail the info to you?

  • Comment 125, posted at 29.09.15 09:26:50 by JD Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 124) : 100%, and its about time we start treating them as such. Again I relate it to the brief Jake White stint. He wanted players to ‘work’ a full day so that he could fit everything in including vision and handling skills together with team play stuff and then the traditional gym work and analysis. But the reaction was not one of full commitment, instead we heard: its too long a day…ag shame the poor players must have some free time and they only rugby players after all

  • Comment 126, posted at 29.09.15 09:35:48 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 126) : I know we like to compare to Ackers and the Lions so lets do that. Most of the Sharks guys live a few minutes from the stadium so travel time to work isnt long at all. They also arent required to be there 9 to 5 so have time to go to the beach/golf/shop etc at home. The Lions on the other hand train at Johannesburg stadium in the middle of Jhb, a lot of the players therefore have to travel quite some distance to get there so quickly nipping home or to the beach/golf etc during the day doesnt happen. They are at training all day working on various aspects. Why did guys like pat Cilliers and Michael Rhodes become a success in Jhb and not Durbs- less distraction and more discipline thats how.

  • Comment 127, posted at 29.09.15 09:39:17 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 122) : boet if you shift a player around every couple of weeks he will not settle in any position and although he may be good he would never reach his full potential.

  • Comment 128, posted at 29.09.15 09:40:24 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 127) : Yep good point, but Rhodes and discipline in the same sentence is a no no.

  • Comment 129, posted at 29.09.15 09:42:55 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 128) : I know that feeling, was always used to cover 1-2-3 and never allowed time to settle on just one position, part of the reason why I never got to nail down a regular starting spot in the first team. And when people think that you can easily switch between 1 and 3, oh how they are mistaken.

  • Comment 130, posted at 29.09.15 10:00:47 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 128) : Well again the New Zealanders dont seem to have an issue with it? And guys like Russel were moved around as coaches wanted them in the team but he wasnt consistently the best in 1 position. So rather than drop him as there was a better flyhalf etc he moved him to fullback etc.

  • Comment 131, posted at 29.09.15 10:04:20 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 129) : Look Rhodes not the perfect example…but just an off the top of my head example. But still kinda creates a point

  • Comment 132, posted at 29.09.15 10:06:21 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 130) : I do get your feeling but if your coach said to you that you can only play 1 but sorry there is a guy better than you so you must rather sit out and watch. Would you still then be happy to only play 1 or would you rather want the game time at 3? Just curious

  • Comment 133, posted at 29.09.15 10:08:24 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 127) : Great point

  • Comment 134, posted at 29.09.15 10:11:39 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 125) : yes please

  • Comment 135, posted at 29.09.15 10:13:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 22) : I agree sadly. It is true that Brian van Zyl failed to bring home the SuperRugby title but that was mainly due to another massive mistake by a flawed referee. I fear the management are clutching at straws and their problems are compounded by the inexperience and naivety of their CEO.

  • Comment 136, posted at 29.09.15 10:15:11 by charlieharvey Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 6) : In Japan. Was coaching The Panasonic Wild Knights.

  • Comment 137, posted at 29.09.15 10:25:43 by charlieharvey Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 133) : Well you are correct there, that I was willing to play wherever I could get game time. Hell back in the day I even played flyhalf for the 3rd team once while we had a bye. But ultimately, I wished I had settled in one position, maybe then I would’ve gone further with my rugby as well as perhaps not suffered the play-ending injury I did.

  • Comment 138, posted at 29.09.15 10:30:29 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • I read the Tribune article with some dismay. We have had 5 coaches in less than 3 years if we take Venter into account.
    I saw an article in which Mark Andrews was touting the return of Dick Muir. I have mixed feelings about that and most of them are bad.
    Deans would be at least a coach who matches the profile of the franchise.
    Another name being whispered is Robbie Kempson who has been involed with the EP franchise for at least 5 years. A no-nonsense guy with great respect in Natal and a guy who understands the Durban-way. There is no doubt that our culture is different.
    The other thing that is of concern is how many guys like Jesse Kriel and Ruan Combrinck slip through our systems only to become stars elsewhere. Why is this happening? Are we as short of money as some suggest? We have had to pay out a lot of money on contracts and disputes but surely we still have funding to be able to attract and keep only the best?

  • Comment 139, posted at 29.09.15 10:31:58 by charlieharvey Reply

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  • @charlieharvey (Comment 139) : Please no, not Robbie Kempson!

    I would be very happy with Robert du Preez as I believe that we need a no nonsense coach that understands the Durban setup and way of doing things.

  • Comment 140, posted at 29.09.15 10:45:45 by Bump Reply

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  • @charlieharvey (Comment 139) : Please define the Durban way for me?

  • Comment 141, posted at 29.09.15 10:58:17 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 138) : I think thats perhaps something we forget at times- these guys may be pros but at the end of the day they are rugby players and just want to play. Yes they have a preferred position but if a coach says you can either sit out until you good enough for that starting position or you can start in another position i can bet you i know the answer most guys would give.

  • Comment 142, posted at 29.09.15 11:09:22 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 142) : You are one hundred percent correct bud

  • Comment 143, posted at 29.09.15 11:58:28 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 141) : Practice for 45 minutes and then hit the beach for a well deserved surf. Forget that defense should be practiced until it dawns on you halfway through Super Rugby.

  • Comment 144, posted at 29.09.15 12:01:09 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 144) : :grin: Think I can be liking that! Where do I sign? Err is there a veteran’s category…..probably bordering on Master’s lol

  • Comment 145, posted at 29.09.15 12:22:06 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 145) : We have wonderful retirement options available here at the Sharks. Overweight? Injured? Even better! :twisted:

  • Comment 146, posted at 29.09.15 12:39:30 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 146) : that’s one more for the “Matt Stevens Plan”, yes? Good, good…

  • Comment 147, posted at 29.09.15 12:40:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 147) : I hear the all day buffet is spectacular :grin:

  • Comment 148, posted at 29.09.15 12:57:17 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Dick Muir as Director of Rugby and Rob do Preez as head coach. That’s what I would like to see for next year’s super rugby. And bloody hell, let Rob pick his own assistants.

  • Comment 149, posted at 29.09.15 13:46:44 by Ben Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 145) : Ask Franco, I think his squad have just perfected it if last weeks results were anything to go by.

  • Comment 150, posted at 29.09.15 13:49:23 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • I just came across this. http://m.news24.com/sport24/Rugby/Dick-Muir-sues-Lions-for-R46m-20150506

    Dick Muir was paid R200 000 per month for coaching the Lions. Does that mean that Gary Gold is getting the same or maybe even more?

  • Comment 151, posted at 29.09.15 13:51:04 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 151) : Say what now!?

    Clearly these coaches have more than enough reasons to take the flack us fans give them…sheesh

  • Comment 152, posted at 29.09.15 14:09:59 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 152) : Couldn’t believe it either. They get paid a shit-load of dough.

  • Comment 153, posted at 29.09.15 14:12:12 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 153) : Imagine what HM is getting paid :shock:

    (as a side note though, I read that some people went as far as to “attack” HM’s wife and children – now that’s taking things just way too far….criticise his coaching, but leave his personal life out of it)

  • Comment 154, posted at 29.09.15 14:20:19 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 154) : That’s barbaric. :roll:

  • Comment 155, posted at 29.09.15 14:24:57 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 155) : Yeah I was shocked to read that….really people should learn to differentiate between sports and personal life.

  • Comment 156, posted at 29.09.15 14:31:18 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 150) : Lol, last week was bad, but we did manage a bonus point for 5 tries, which keeps us just a sniff ahead of the Sharks. If we can beat the Pumas (I should get tickets for the match) then it will be hard for the Sharks to make it, even if they manage a win in Bloem.

  • Comment 157, posted at 29.09.15 14:43:31 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 156) : His wife and children are in South Africa or with him in England?

  • Comment 158, posted at 29.09.15 15:07:34 by Ben Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 157) : The Sharks need to manage a win against the Griquas first! :roll:

  • Comment 159, posted at 29.09.15 15:08:28 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 159) : Griquas have been a 45 minute team this whole season. Can’t see the Sharks losing, but yeah, Griquas in Kimberly can be a tough one

  • Comment 160, posted at 29.09.15 15:15:06 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 160) : And the Sharks have been a 40 minute team. Do the math… ;)

  • Comment 161, posted at 29.09.15 15:30:25 by Ben Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 160) : The Sharks have a better points difference than the Cheetahs, though. Cheetahs are on -52 and the Sharks are on -33. That might just be the clincher IF we manage to beat you guys in that last game.

  • Comment 162, posted at 29.09.15 15:37:31 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 158) : …I think they’re here in SA.

  • Comment 163, posted at 29.09.15 15:48:12 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 157) : ja Sharks needs 5 points in each of the next two games to get into play offs, whilst not letting Cheetahs get a bonus point in the last game!

  • Comment 164, posted at 29.09.15 15:48:36 by JD Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 162) : only thanx to the Lions hammering the Cheetahs!!!!!!

  • Comment 165, posted at 29.09.15 15:49:25 by JD Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 162) : @JD (Comment 165) : Yes the points diff is definitive. Lions actually didn’t help the Sharks. They conceded a bonus point for tries :-)
    That said, we need Griquas to prevent the Sharks from scoring a BP at worst, and at best beat them! :-)

  • Comment 166, posted at 29.09.15 15:57:36 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • Back to Rob du Preez, I had a look at the Currie Cup First division log and I know we can’t read too much into it but damn, Oom Rob’s team is thoroughly dominating there: http://www.supersport.com/rugby/currie-cup-first-division/logs

    Played: 10
    Won: 10
    Points: 50 (meaning a bonus point win in each game)
    Points for: 431 (average of 43 points per game)
    Points against: 205 (lowest in the competition)
    Points difference: 226

    Closest competitor is the Griffons with 5 wins from ten games played. I know the competition may be inferior but he sure is insuring that he’s wiping the floor with them. I think at the very least we can assume he has a well drilled side.

  • Comment 167, posted at 29.09.15 16:28:39 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 167) : That’s mighty impressive!

  • Comment 168, posted at 29.09.15 16:47:16 by Ben Reply
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  • The mind boggles. How this guy is supposed to compete with the likes of Eddie Jones is beyond me. I’m afraid it says a great deal about the ambition and general direction of the Sharks under the current leadership…

  • Comment 169, posted at 29.09.15 18:03:41 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 167) : @Ben (Comment 168) : geez that’s impressive!!!! Especially keeping guys going for the kill in every game!!!!

  • Comment 170, posted at 29.09.15 18:04:55 by JD Reply
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  • I reckon Gold has been quietly shipped away from head coaching the Super team next year because the powers that appointed him have now realised after a full year just how KAK he is…. read between the lines…

  • Comment 171, posted at 29.09.15 18:05:16 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • So ja then Rob du Preez with his level of (in)experience would be a perfect assistant coach where he can learn his trade from a master coach. Then perhaps one day if he contributes to the team’s success in a meaningful way can progress to head coach.

  • Comment 172, posted at 29.09.15 18:07:29 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 123) : All fair enough…but it doesn’t change the fact that Ackermann shows that it is possible for a new and inexperienced coach to achieve good results. The environment and the structures and all that must be sorted at Kings Park. Without that even a brand name experienced coach will not work (see JW)…

  • Comment 173, posted at 29.09.15 19:03:42 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 164) : You’re assuming the Cheetahs are going to get a bonus point against the Pumas…or even that they are going to win against the Pumas… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 174, posted at 29.09.15 19:12:38 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 167) : Yup…I checked that out too…impressive!

  • Comment 175, posted at 29.09.15 19:14:42 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 174) : Right he is too. Cheetahs are going to nail this one down. I intend to be there. Go Cheeeetahs!! Even if it is as far as we can expect to get, a semi berth is good considering how many players made their debut this year.

  • Comment 176, posted at 29.09.15 19:51:35 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 176) : Well, good luck to you…just for the next two weeks I will be rooting for the other side!

  • Comment 177, posted at 29.09.15 19:59:00 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 172) : That is the way it should be. Rob seems like he knows his stuff. Let’s help him graduate by placing him in a correct environment under a head coach that knows his shit at this level.

  • Comment 178, posted at 29.09.15 21:05:07 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 173) : Whatever. Ackermann is building on from John Mitchell and has assistants that aren’t dead weight.

  • Comment 179, posted at 29.09.15 21:10:54 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 179) : OK…so you give me a name of an alternative experienced head coach that is available or even wants to come to the Sharks…and maybe I’ll be prepared to agree with you… :mrgreen: If we are in a position where we are going to have to pick a new inexperienced coach, then Rob is the man I’d want. That is all…

  • Comment 180, posted at 29.09.15 23:17:47 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 179) : By the way…lol…if I can remember that far back, I think the last time somebody said “whatever” to me I was like 14…

  • Comment 181, posted at 29.09.15 23:23:02 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 178) : I do agree with you that your suggestion would be the ideal…no arguments there…

  • Comment 182, posted at 29.09.15 23:24:19 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 180) : the same thing was said when Eddie Jones was supposedly tied up in a contract to coach the Japanese Super team… but that didn’t stop the Stormers… coaches are out there… money buys the whiskey…

  • Comment 183, posted at 30.09.15 00:19:12 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 173) : really ,so the super foundations had nothing to do with JM,King Carlos and others,as I said before only heavyweight,autocratic coaches can build those foundations

  • Comment 184, posted at 30.09.15 01:19:23 by benji Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 167) : realy now,and those credentials are going to win a SR trophy,Netball players now have EJ,how low are expectations sinking,what a mess,what a disgrace

  • Comment 185, posted at 30.09.15 01:49:57 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 185) : exactly, we have no choice but to compare ourselves with our nearest rivals and the Stormers have struck gold in Eddie Jones while we have struck fool’s Gold and potentially some novice coach… very disappointed.

  • Comment 186, posted at 30.09.15 02:06:52 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • Gentlemen, do you not remember facts at all? Or do your opinions just become solid facts after a while? Everyone who is so disparaging of inexperienced coaches and is belittling Johann Ackermann’s achievements by insisting that he is only surfing the John Mitchell wave, can I remind of several facts regarding John Mitchell’s achievements? In his first Currie Cup season his Lions ended 6th out of 8 (that sounds worse than Gary Gold’s first season in charge in the Currie Cup). In his first Super Rugby season the Lions ended 14th out of 15 (that too sounds worse than Gold’s first season in Super Rugby). In his second and last Super Rugby season with the Lions they ended 15th out of 15. True, his Lions won 1 Currie Cup later that year, but I have a mild inkling that you all would have been shouting for his head a long, long time before he got there. All of those facts lead me to the following conclusions (please note: My conclusions are not fact, simply what I deem to be reasonable views based on the facts listed above):
    - IF John Mitchell did lay such brilliant foundations at the Lions that they are still a top side under Johann Ackermann three seasons later based only on that…well, then it took JM a full two seasons of useless results before those foundations were in place and bearing fruit. Also, clearly while JM was doing sterling work in laying good foundations, results were abysmal! So it is possible to do good work but achieve abysmal results? If you represent this whole line of thought so strongly, why are you not affording the Sharks and their coaching team that same time and space to get the job done?
    - IF on the other hand John Mitchell’s actual results show that he did not produce the glowing achievements you seem to remember and didn’t lay the best of foundations, then Johann Ackermann deserves far more credit than you seem prepared to give him.
    - Personally I am of the view that a bit of both is the case. Even the great John Mitchell (if indeed he is as great as you seem to think) needed TIME to get there…and Johann Ackermann deserves far more credit than you seem willing to give him – at the end of the day he has far outstripped his predecessor in every aspect if the play and the results of the Lions in the last three seasons is anything to go by. You have very clearly demonstrated that you are not willing to give Gary Gold time and space for anything. Before you go wild about that sentence: I do have certain very specific problems with Gold too, but at least my approach to Gold and my approach to Mitchell are not as glaringly inconsistent. Would you really give even a top experienced coach time to get things right? On the evidence of comments in the last year I very much doubt that. The above is also the reason why my arguments regarding Johann Ackermann remain unaltered despite any “whatevers,” “disgraces,” or other words being bandied about.
    Now, I look forward to several intelligent responses to the above – I am more than happy to be challenged on my conclusions (I don’t pretend that my conclusions are infallible), but with reasonable arguments not shouted word-bytes.

  • Comment 187, posted at 30.09.15 07:19:20 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 187) : Judging by the results of the u/21′s under Horak – us bloggers clearly have very little idea of what’s actually going on behind the scenes…

    I’m hopefull (read wishing/dreaming/praying/begging) that a Gold(dor)/du Preez(head coach) partnership will be the catalyst to some wonderful Sharks rugby.

    I don’t think Gold is head coach material, but maybe he is a structures man – something we lacked during the Plum era.

  • Comment 188, posted at 30.09.15 07:59:40 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 173) : Yeh look i fully agree with you. Coaching pedigree is very subjective. Majority ‘winning’ coaches that are appointed are only in the position to take a new job because they failed with their previous team in terms of results or playing style. Yes not all thats why i said majority.

  • Comment 189, posted at 30.09.15 08:24:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @benji (Comment 185) :
    1. Nowhere did I claim he will win us a SR trophy
    2. I stated that we can’t read too much into it
    3. If CC First Division coaches are the only coaches we can attract right now then Rob du Preez is the CC First Division coach we want. Grant Bashford turned us down. Grant Bashford!

  • Comment 190, posted at 30.09.15 08:29:44 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 190) : Look I know you are anyoed with the current Sharks setup and the amount of coaches we have had, but Robert could have and to me should have succeeded plum from the start. He has a great record and a respected and tough guy. His record is way better than the BMH scenario, and the fact that hes apparently not on JS buddy list makes things even better.

  • Comment 191, posted at 30.09.15 08:34:17 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 187) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 188) : Two great posts that have me hanging my head in shame a bit.

    Rob, please, please force the good pastor to turn that post into an article. Pastor, please add the points FireTheLooser added about Horak in there.

  • Comment 192, posted at 30.09.15 08:35:25 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 190) : To get back to Brashford, from what I have heard is that hes a darn good coach. I am unsure why everyone on here is giving him such a hard time. The only reason I would say he turned the coaching job down is because he did not want the same scenario as what Plum went through, after all he was part of that boot out at the Sharks.

  • Comment 193, posted at 30.09.15 08:36:06 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 191) : I was actually annoyed at Benji for not taking the time to read my post properly. I’m not against the idea of Rob du Preez coaching. He may be inexperienced but as I pointed out in post 167, he obviously knows how to produce a well drilled side.

  • Comment 194, posted at 30.09.15 08:38:12 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 187) : I should definitely if ever in the area come in listen to one of your sermons – hope my high school German will suffice. Well said.

  • Comment 195, posted at 30.09.15 08:38:29 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 194) : fair enough ;)

  • Comment 196, posted at 30.09.15 08:39:59 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 193) : No disrespect to Bashford but he has even less head coach credentials than Rob du Preez (I think CC First Division trumps CC Age Groups?). Point I’m trying to get at is if he turned us down then we may not be as attractive a coaching destination as we think we are and Rob du Preez may not be such a terrible prospect. Boils down to perspective I guess.

  • Comment 197, posted at 30.09.15 08:44:41 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 187) : I think your last point in your comment is pretty spot on. The Lions success now is built on a combo. JM had the good plans in place in terms of discipline and game plan ideas BUt as is proven by his track record in coaching he cannot relate those ideas to his players and always always creates a conflict. Ackermann MAY not have the initial setup ideas as JM did but what he does know is how to relate to players and get those players to buy into both his new ideas built on the back of the core foundation ideas setup by JM. I also think majority of Sharks fans are very disillusioned about where our union is at the moment- if we think we are cream of the crop with everything in place and a bounty of money i think we are perhaps living in the past. Changes in top admin, coaches, players, financial issues have all had serious impact on the stability and consistency at the sharks. If anyone thinks there is a ‘quick fix’ im afraid you dont know sport to well

  • Comment 198, posted at 30.09.15 08:45:13 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 197) : I would say currently we are definitely not a destination any coach would want to be in. The last 3 years looks like this, 2 fired, 1 resigned, 1 adviser who is hardly even in dnb, 1 dor/coach who don’t want to coach the team, and to add to this we have lost a host of experienced players. Then on top of it every 6 months we hear in the news about our financial fraud.
    I mean who would want to be the coach if you look at this?

  • Comment 199, posted at 30.09.15 08:53:59 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 199) : Basically the situation yes. We are also waiting to grab someone after the RWC. What we forget is that yes some coaches may leave teams after RWC but it also means International teams will be looking to appoint coaches…Sooo would a coach pick the Sharks over and International gig…well

  • Comment 200, posted at 30.09.15 08:57:14 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 200) : I highly doubt other international coaches would be willing to take us forward. Plus I prefer local coaches better.

  • Comment 201, posted at 30.09.15 09:01:32 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 192) : I’ve been on Gold’s case pretty hard as well, blaming everything including John Smit’s dog – but I have now again realised that I know very little about the business of rugby.

    I also wanted JW away when I heard about the players’ unhappiness – now I wish JS kept him around, as player happiness clearly does not equal winning rugby.

    I guess we’ll just have to patiently support our team through these hard times, and trust that things will come together in the end.

    (all of this is off course much easier to say when the Boks at least wins a world cup game – at least we have that)

  • Comment 202, posted at 30.09.15 09:03:58 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 201) : I would agree. But id want a local coach with a sustainable plan not just a one hit wonder that may win a few games

  • Comment 203, posted at 30.09.15 09:07:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 200) : I agree with you any decent coach who might be available after the WC would surely keep it to himself till after the competition.Only a dick head would announce he is leaving while his team are in the middle of a serious competition.
    I think Eddie tried keep his post cup move to the Stormers quiet, but the same type of diplomatic sensitivity that had Mallett bleating to the press about being approached by the Sharks while John Plum was still in the seat, is prevalent in that part of the world.
    Imagine how the Stormers announcement must have soured that Japanese celebration,but then nothing from that part of the rugby world surprise me.

  • Comment 204, posted at 30.09.15 09:16:02 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 204) : Yeh fully agree.

  • Comment 205, posted at 30.09.15 10:13:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 202) : Bud, it’s like you’re describing me in that post. The only thing I have going for me is that I never blamed Horak for the defensive mess but that was guesswork more than it was insight. I’m going to try and tone the criticism down and at least keep it as objective as possible when I feel the need to point something out.

    At the end of the day I know just about squat regarding what’s happening behind the scenes and the Sharks ain’t a union that likes to kiss and tell in that regard anyway.

    In conclusion: Well said.

  • Comment 206, posted at 30.09.15 11:35:57 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 204) : This thread keeps delivering. Agreed.

  • Comment 207, posted at 30.09.15 11:36:33 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 154) : But, imagine what his health insurance payments must be.

  • Comment 208, posted at 30.09.15 11:41:57 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 204) : Jones announced that he is leaving Japan over a month before the Stormers announcement, so there was no surprise that he was leaving. Ironically, one of the reasons he gave for leaving Japan was the internal politics and unwillingness to change within the Japanese rugby structures.

  • Comment 209, posted at 30.09.15 11:51:36 by MysticShark Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 202) : js boet let’s hope and pray we get a decent new head coach and that 2016 is better than 2015 for the Sharks!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 210, posted at 30.09.15 12:46:41 by JD Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 187) : Are you sure you have given this a proper think through? Please answer the following questions: Has Ackermann diverted away from the playing style Mitchell introduced? Did JM inherit a winning team full of skills? Did JM have to introduce a new way of playing rugby that was totally unfamiliar to the players. Did we not see gradual improvement from the Lions? Did the Lions not beat our team of BOKS in the CC final with their new gameplan which took them just under 8 months to get buy in? Was Ackermann exposed to this way of playing when he was a player? Name the team Ackermann coached before he joined the Lions and please explain that team’s playing style. Let’s not be afraid to look at the facts and learn from our mistakes. I would even argue that Ackermann has not accelerated this team as much as a JM would have.

  • Comment 211, posted at 30.09.15 18:54:44 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • The Lions allegedly got rid of Mitchell because they could not afford him, under some other pretext. They had no choice but to opt for a novice (and cheap) coach. Why are the Sharks being compared with the Lions and not the Stormers?

  • Comment 212, posted at 30.09.15 20:59:15 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 212) : Cause we finally realized that all the talk by Smit of the Sharks being leaders, trendsetters, innovative were just sh!T. Smal allowed his actions do the talk. And boy are those actions loud.

  • Comment 213, posted at 30.09.15 21:55:20 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 211) :
    1. I do believe you have either missed several points I made or cared not to respond to them.
    2. Why don’t you answer some of your questions for us so that we can actually respond to your reasonably expressed opinion?
    3. The one question I would still love to hear an answer to from you is whether you would have allowed JM the sort of slack he needed if he had produced three competition results of 6/8, 14/15 and 15/15 (a series of results over more than 8 months, by the way) at the Sharks?
    4. And moving on to Orlok’s post: @Orlok Tsubodai (Comment 212) : What on earth makes you think that we can afford anything but a “cheap” coach at this stage of the game? Do you have any sort of accurate information on finances, who is being paid what and what the true “State of the Union” is in this regard? If so, please share it with us so that we can all develop wise insights on actual facts. (Please, please, please respond to this last question with actual facts or not at all. Sprouted, shouted and profane word-bytes are getting just a bit tired)

  • Comment 214, posted at 01.10.15 04:32:50 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 192) : I will try. I have training trips, wedding preparation and funerals lying ahead of me in the next few days, so I can’t see it happening before next week…

  • Comment 215, posted at 01.10.15 04:36:09 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 195) : :lol: We work bilingually these days…so in any given year about 1/3 of the services will be in German, 1/3 in English and 1/3 in a bilingual combination of the two languages… :grin:

  • Comment 216, posted at 01.10.15 04:40:39 by pastorshark Reply
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  • What is Rassie Erasmus up to? Between him and du Preez we could have a good setup.

  • Comment 217, posted at 01.10.15 07:56:02 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 187) : Eish its W ednesday/Thursday not Sunday.I have never slated JA he is doing a sterling job but exactly what you saying in a convolured and condescending manner which I agree and have stated many times is JM changed the culture of the Lions from bottom feeders to what they are now and JA can now continue but the culture change is difficult and can only be. Done by the likes of a JM that is what is needed at the Sharks ,a culture change

  • Comment 218, posted at 01.10.15 08:27:23 by benji Reply
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  • Two things:

    Appointing a guy as coach who has sons playing for the team sounds like an absolutely terrible idea.

    and two:
    The Sharks will struggle to get a really top coach as long as they keep an unqualified person on as CEO. Especially after the way he treated the previous top coaches.

  • Comment 219, posted at 02.10.15 05:37:55 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 218) : I do apologise if my tone was condescending…it probably reflects the fact that I’ve had a tough week (dealing with death repeatedly in one week is tougher than dealing with a poor Sharks season). But it’s no excuse and I am sorry about that.
    It does remain difficult for me to be patient with the very aggressive, profane and even abusive comments that are made week in week out in threads on this site. I find it illogical for people to be quite so abusive of Gary Gold for one season of poor results…but in the same breath to laud John Mitchell for being so brilliant and laying a foundation that has stood the test of time when his results with the Lions were far poorer than those of Gold at the Sharks. Remember:
    - JM coached the Lions for four competitions. In three of those their results could be termed unacceptable.
    - though the angle of the guys who promote JM and what he did at the Lions is that he built something and the Lions got better and better…the actual results don’t seem to match that theory. Yes, the Lions won the Currie Cup at the second go under Mitchell…but in the very next Super rugby season, still under Mitchell, they ended 15th out of 15. It doesn’t seem to me that this idea holds water.
    - I am not convinced that it was John Mitchell (or at the very least John Mitchell alone) who got the culture change right. I think much more was down to Rudolf Straeuli in very recent seasons and Johann Ackermann is benefitting from that but also good enough to have improved the Lions from the JM days.
    - even if John Mitchell is so brilliant, at the very least his achievements at the Lions then show how very long it takes before even brilliant people can right what is wrong. We’ve established there is much wrong at the Sharks…righting it will take time!

  • Comment 220, posted at 02.10.15 11:33:39 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 220) : Basically there is no quick fix and if we think there is a miracle worker that will come in and make us win every comp and make all our problems throughout go away then we are dreaming. Let us not forget we WON games under Jake White but that too was not good enough as we had to win playing ‘attractive rugby’

  • Comment 221, posted at 02.10.15 11:50:16 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 221) : Agreed…

  • Comment 222, posted at 02.10.15 13:14:31 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 221) : Winning games Jakes way was good enough and I was always grateful for the win just as long as I was not expected to sit through it all season long, but then when you do win them that way then you better make sure that you reward the fans with the crown jewels when the season ends.

  • Comment 223, posted at 02.10.15 13:19:44 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 223) : Very tough to please the fans i see. To summarise: The Sharks must win everything, play very ‘attractive’ rugby using all the fans favourite players in their ‘correct’ positions, tickets must be dirt cheap as well as the food and drink, the weather must be good and all the Sharks players must play for the Boks. Tick all those and you are winning as a Sharks CEO…right anyone want the job?

  • Comment 224, posted at 02.10.15 13:24:43 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 224) : You forgot the parking…..

  • Comment 225, posted at 02.10.15 13:38:42 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 225) : Dammit…haha

  • Comment 226, posted at 02.10.15 13:52:44 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 220) : please no need to and thamk goodness there are still men of you’re calibre left in this world to attend to these sad situations. I agree with you that it will definitely not be a quick fix,as you say look how long it took JM.no easy task changing a culture,also I think that the gap between reality and expectation at the Sharks has turned into a void and the supporters are now just plane angry amd perhaps hence the lashing out.think if JW was retained Sharks would have been two seasons in aalready with change

  • Comment 227, posted at 02.10.15 17:27:11 by benji Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 221) : Agree fully

  • Comment 228, posted at 02.10.15 17:38:23 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 227) : Yup…agreed…

  • Comment 229, posted at 02.10.15 18:43:33 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Via Beeld.
    Dié span van Robert du Preez het tot dusver al 11 sy wedstryde gewen. Vanaand wag die laaste hekkie in die eindstryd teen die Suidwestelike Distrikte se Arende.

    In wat sy laaste wedstryd aan die stuur van die Luiperds sal wees voordat hy hom by die afrigtingspan van die Haaie aansluit,

  • Comment 230, posted at 08.10.15 06:03:40 by Rvw Reply

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  • @Rvw (Comment 230) : We’re just not very good at these secret/announcement things, are we?

  • Comment 231, posted at 08.10.15 06:55:30 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Rvw (Comment 230) : @pastorshark (Comment 231) : Well, at least there is no chance of our (alleged) new coach being poached from under our noses by some international team. :grin:

    Possibly the reason that most franchises (except for one) went with fairly unknown coaches.

  • Comment 232, posted at 08.10.15 08:09:05 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • So Du Preez’s (or is that Du Preez’) Leopards have won the Currie Cup first division final 44-20…well done and congrats Rob. We look forward to welcoming you back to Durbs…

  • Comment 233, posted at 08.10.15 19:50:49 by pastorshark Reply
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  • The Leopards were 10-20 down at halftime but scored 34 points in the second half while keeping SWD scoreless…

  • Comment 234, posted at 08.10.15 19:55:18 by pastorshark Reply
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  • The Leopards outscored the Eagles 6 tries to 2…

  • Comment 235, posted at 08.10.15 19:56:25 by pastorshark Reply
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  • In fact it was 20-3 to the Leopards after 25 minutes before the Leopards took charge…impressive stuff!

  • Comment 236, posted at 08.10.15 19:58:37 by pastorshark Reply
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  • The Leopards scored 70 tries in 12 matches (at just under 6 tries per game) while conceding 31 (at 2.5ish)…impressive stuff indeed!!

  • Comment 237, posted at 08.10.15 20:03:50 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 236) : Congrats to coach Rob on a perfect season! (no losses and only bonus point wins)

  • Comment 238, posted at 08.10.15 23:36:00 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Has there been any commentary on what the status of his sons will be?
    Surprisingly I have not seen any.

    Rugby fans are biased to the extreme and will assume the same in all others. Evidence or no, allegations of favoritism towards his sons will surface soon after he takes over and has the potential to blow up badly for the Sharks.

    Another rookie mistake.

  • Comment 239, posted at 09.10.15 03:17:47 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 239) : I don’t think so. Those boys will basically bash the door down. They have basically put up their hands in ever game they have played in. As an assistant coach I will welcome that appointment. I just no longer want GG coaching this team in any capacity ever again. Was a big advocate of him being given a chance to get his own assistants and all. After the obvious technical errors and non improvement in certain areas it is clear to see that GG is just a motor mouth who says all the right things and fails dismally at putting them into action.

  • Comment 240, posted at 09.10.15 05:45:03 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 240) : After seeing what Eddie has done with Japan…. and Nollis with the Bulls. It just becomes clear that GG is in lala land. He can’t even get the team to play like a team. Bunch of directionless individuals. With GG I can’t even see what we are good at or what our strengths are. Can’t ruck, can’t tackle, can’t keep the ball alive for more than 5 phases, can’t play a quick high tempo game, can’t catch, can’t pass, can’t scrum, can’t manipulate defences….wow GG.

  • Comment 241, posted at 09.10.15 05:52:22 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 187) : JM should get credit for laying a foundation and for “training” Ackermann but the real credit for the Lions turnaround must go to Ackermann, Swys de Bruin and Kevin de Klerk for what they did to keep the union afloat and developing the team during 2013 (Straeuli only joined the Lions end 2013).

    Tough as it was (and an option the sharks don’t have), the year out of Super Rugby allowed the Lions to develop the squad while under the radar. They could focus on developing the players without the pressure of competing, and losing.

    Now, three years later the Lions seem to be getting it all together and 2016 will be exam time

  • Comment 242, posted at 09.10.15 06:01:20 by Baylion Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 239) : There have been some comments on that on Sharksworld…there haven’t been any I know of anywhere else…which is not surprising, as this is all not official yet…

  • Comment 243, posted at 09.10.15 07:00:36 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 239) : @GreatSharksays (Comment 240) : I’m basically with GreatSharks on this…when boys are as talented as these guys are favouritism basically becomes a moot point…

  • Comment 244, posted at 09.10.15 07:04:08 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 242) : What you say about the coaches has basically been my point all along on this thread…JA and his coaching team deserve a lot of credit…they are not just riding JM’s coat tails! I do think that Straeuli will have added significantly to the Lions setup since he has arrived in Joburg…

  • Comment 245, posted at 09.10.15 07:10:42 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 244) : Its a moot point for the fans…for the players however it can lead to some unhappiness especially after 1 or 2 less than great games.

  • Comment 246, posted at 09.10.15 08:37:59 by SheldonK Reply

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