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Fourie’s the (jolly good) captain


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, RWC 2015, Springboks on 30 Sep 2015 at 18:24
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Heyneke Meyer has made three changes to his starting team to take on Scotland in a vital Pool B clash at the Rugby World Cup on Saturday. Fourie du Preez will lead the side onto St James’ Park, after both Jean de Villiers and Victor Matfield were ruled out with injuries.

Jesse Kriel comes straight in for de Villiers at outside centre, thus reuniting a centre combination with Damian de Allende that has looked potent on attack when picked together (albeit less so defensively). The balance of the backline is retained from the unit that comfortably outclassed Samoa, with three-try hero JP Pietersen again at right wing.

Up front, Lood de Jager comes in for Matfield in the number 5 jersey and he’ll form an exciting partnership with Eben Etzebeth in the second row. Bismarck du Plessis returns for Adriaan Strauss in the only unforced change to the lineup.

Further changes on the bench see Strauss replace Schalk Brits, Pieter-Steph du Toit in as reserve lock, Willem Alberts replace Siya Kolisi and Jan Serfontein take over from Kriel.

The Springbok team to face Scotland in Newcastle is:

Position/Name/Franchise or Club/Test/Caps/Test points

15. Willie le Roux Toyota Cheetahs (29 caps, 45 points)
14. JP Pietersen Cell C Sharks (62 caps, 105 points)
13. Jesse Kriel Vodacom Bulls (6 caps, 10 points)
12. Damian De Allende DHL Stormers (8 caps, 0 points)
11. Bryan Habana Toulon (112 caps, 300 points)
10. Handré Pollard Vodacom Bulls (15 caps, 114 points)
9. Fourie du Preez (captain) Suntory (72 caps, 75 points)
8. Duane Vermeulen DHL Stormers (30 caps, 10 points)
7. Schalk Burger (vice-captain) DHL Stormers (81 caps, 75 points)
6. Francois Louw Bath (38 caps, 30 points)
5. Lood de Jager Toyota Cheetahs (14 caps, 20 points)
4. Eben Etzebeth DHL Stormers (39 caps, 5 points)
3. Jannie du Plessis Cell C Sharks (66 caps, 5 points)
2. Bismarck du Plessis Cell C Sharks (74 caps, 50 points)
1. Tendai Mtawarira Cell C Sharks (70 caps, 10 points)
Replacements:
16. Adriaan Strauss Vodacom Bulls (50 caps, 30 points)
17. Trevor Nyakane Vodacom Bulls (18 caps, 5 points)
18. Frans Malherbe DHL Stormers (7 caps, 0 points)
19. Pieter-Steph du Toit Cell C Sharks (5 caps, 0 points)
20. Willem Alberts Cell C Sharks (33 caps, 35 points)
21. Ruan Pienaar Ulster (86 caps, 135 points)
22. Pat Lambie Cell C Sharks (46 caps, 131 points)
23. Jan Serfontein Vodacom Bulls (21 caps, 10 points)



107 Comments

  • Well not a bad team!!!!! Go Bokke!!!!!

  • Comment 1, posted at 30.09.15 18:28:57 by JD Reply
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  • Damb fine team

  • Comment 2, posted at 30.09.15 18:29:18 by byron Reply

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  • The only contender that didnt actually want the job by all accounts.

  • Comment 3, posted at 30.09.15 18:35:07 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • At least it means Ruan “Tiger Woods” will stay off the park!!!

  • Comment 4, posted at 30.09.15 18:37:27 by Tintin Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 3) : indeed.

    What time should we meet up next week?

  • Comment 5, posted at 30.09.15 18:52:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • A proven captain indeed :roll:

  • Comment 6, posted at 30.09.15 19:02:15 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • I like Kriel, I really do but I’d feel better with Serfontein at 13 and Kriel coming on as a impact sub.

  • Comment 7, posted at 30.09.15 19:15:32 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Never thought I’d see the day that the Boks were captained by a guy playing for Suntory,sheeew old Doc C must be turbo spinning in his grave.

  • Comment 8, posted at 30.09.15 19:17:23 by The hound Reply
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  • If the Boks make it to the semi’s and Lambie gets his 3 min in every game, he will get his 50th cap in this World Cup.

  • Comment 9, posted at 30.09.15 19:22:12 by Letgo Reply
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  • Don’t have to much of an issue with du Preez being captain, he must be one of the leaders in the squad. Preferably I would have made Schalk captain and bumped Louw out of the squad. I know Louw is there to compete on the ground but he hasn’t done much of that anyway.

  • Comment 10, posted at 30.09.15 19:43:33 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 9) : …so Lambie is HM’s Chilliboy.

  • Comment 11, posted at 30.09.15 19:44:20 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 10) : Not much of a chance of that happening Louw’s grandfather out ranks Schalk’s father.

  • Comment 12, posted at 30.09.15 19:56:23 by The hound Reply
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  • Much better Bok side…..The Universe taking care of Heyneke ….without Matfield and JDV the team looks far better balanced, Jannie Dup, Beast and Alberts will be under the spotlight…..Need to get Brussow over there pronto, or Marcell Coetsee, or both!

  • Comment 13, posted at 30.09.15 20:16:51 by grant10 Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 10) : I think schalk is only going to get 50-60 minutes whereas fourie dup will last the 80

  • Comment 14, posted at 30.09.15 20:22:42 by byron Reply

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  • no mention of my stunning headline?

  • Comment 15, posted at 30.09.15 20:33:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) : Don’t give up your day job. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 16, posted at 30.09.15 20:40:06 by The hound Reply
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  • For he is a jolly good fellow….. :razz:

  • Comment 17, posted at 30.09.15 20:45:31 by JarsonX Reply
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  • This is a good team. They should beat Scotland comfortably but we know it’s not that simple.

  • Comment 18, posted at 30.09.15 21:02:10 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) : I’m ashamed to say I just caught it. Long day…

  • Comment 19, posted at 30.09.15 22:45:31 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Ja look, not all the headlines can be pearlers. ..sometimes you shoot and you miss. ; )

  • Comment 20, posted at 01.10.15 06:56:31 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) : I thought it was a good one Rob, gave me a good laugh this morning.

  • Comment 21, posted at 01.10.15 07:37:37 by StevieS Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) : I heard the same headline on a radio station this morning. probably stole it from you. ;-)

  • Comment 22, posted at 01.10.15 07:38:39 by Pokkel Reply
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  • The selection seems up to the task. It would be interesting to see if we are behind or under extreme pressure how Meyer will react in terms of subs. He tends to sub at his preordained time instead of reading the game and subbing when it has optimal effect. That is the mark of a great coach to read the game adjust the play and su s for optimal effect. I have never seen him master this.

  • Comment 23, posted at 01.10.15 07:54:00 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Not a bad team at all. The only change I would have made is Lambie at 10. We should still be able to beat the Scots, if Pollard can get his kicks over. And if he is on song. He blows hot and cold for me. Lambie is more consistent and in a WC you need reliability. @Letgo (Comment 9) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 11) : This is a damn shame.

  • Comment 24, posted at 01.10.15 07:54:21 by Another Nick Reply

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  • Based on the squad in the UK this is a very good combo that he has picked. Good strength throughout especially up front. Scots will be very determined and we all know a good team on paper means nothing. Lets hop we see some of that aggression we saw in the Samoa game again this weekend. A physical and aggressive Bok side is a thing of beauty. Congrats to Fourie DuPreez- probably a good few years overdue.

  • Comment 25, posted at 01.10.15 08:08:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 23) : He’s still coming to grips with the fact that he is the head coach, not vip fan.

    That is why ALL international coaches keep their emotions in check – in order for them to make rational decisions.

  • Comment 26, posted at 01.10.15 08:32:30 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Hmmmm, amazing how a few injuries can make a team LOOK much stronger on paper to the first choice team. Lets see how it goes on the field of play though.

  • Comment 27, posted at 01.10.15 08:39:37 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Off topic! Read on News24, that Gary Gold said he still wants to coach the Sharks in Super Rugby. That was in response to an article about Rob du Preez coaching the Sharks. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 28, posted at 01.10.15 10:23:43 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • Pretty good Q&A with Frans Steyn here: http://www.rugby15.co.za/2015/10/qa-with-frans-steyn/

  • Comment 29, posted at 01.10.15 10:34:33 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 29) : Really glad that he singles out and heaps abundant praise on Johnny Wilkinson.

  • Comment 30, posted at 01.10.15 10:54:32 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 28) : Interesting, can ou post a link for that, I cant find it anywhere.

  • Comment 31, posted at 01.10.15 11:00:41 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 30) : Couple things caught my interest: His non preference for a position anymore. His belief that 13 requires a specialist. That he genuinely seems to just want to play rugby

  • Comment 32, posted at 01.10.15 11:01:45 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 31) : @KingCheetah (Comment 28) : Please post the link.

    That news has just ruined my day if it’s true.

  • Comment 33, posted at 01.10.15 11:09:36 by StevieS Reply
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  • I only logged on to complement Rob on the headline, normally I just read . Good team, I will be watching the defense of that 10/12/13 channels closely though. Damian de Allende seems to be pulled easily to the ball when on defense. AUS and NZ like to play the inside ball to a winger off their 10′s, which could be problematic(and it was against AUS). Lets hope the Scots don’t try it too often. Other than that, I think he’s an awesome player, and we have an awesome team, now that the grandpa’s are out we can start getting those combo’s(4/5, 12/13) well oiled.

  • Comment 34, posted at 01.10.15 11:11:59 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 34) : thank you sir!

  • Comment 35, posted at 01.10.15 11:32:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • Not a bad looking team at all. If we can get the Lood (of the Japan game) and the Etzebeth (of the Samoa game) to pitch, the Scots will have a game on their hands.

  • Comment 36, posted at 01.10.15 11:45:44 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • if Bokke cant beat Scotland with ease with this team they might be in trouble if they have to face the stronger teams like England, Oz and NZ!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 37, posted at 01.10.15 12:23:29 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 37) : At the moment I would take it game by game. We cannot afford anymore slip-ups.

  • Comment 38, posted at 01.10.15 12:26:28 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 31) : Sorry, my bad! It was on the Volksblad web page. “Te midde van hardnekkige gerugte dat Robert du Preez die Haaie se nuwe Superrugby-afrigter sal word, het Gary Gold die afgelope naweek gesê hy wil steeds die span afrig.
    Gold het ná sy span se nederlaag teen die Blou Bulle in Durban gesê hy wil aanbly as afrigter vir aanstaande jaar se Super-seisoen. Volgens hom kan daar dalk enkele veranderinge aan die hulp-afrigters wees.
    Tog is daar bespiegelings dat die voormalige Springbok-skrumskakel Robert du Preez sterk in die wedloop is om as die Haaie se nuwe afrigter aangewys te word.

    Die 52-jarige Du Preez, wie se tweeling-seuns, Jean-Luc en Daniel, vanjaar vir die Haaie Curriebeker-rugby gespeel het, terwyl sy oudste seun, Robert, vir die Westelike Provinsie as losskakel uitdraf, rig die afgelope twee seisoene die Luiperds af.

    Du Preez het van 2011 tot 2013 die KwaZulu-Natalse klubspan College Rovers afgerig, voordat hy na sy geboortedorp Potchefstroom teruggekeer en die Pukke in die Varsitybeker-reeks en die Luiperds begin afrig het.

    Onder Du Preez se leiding, met James Small as sy hulp-afrigter, het dié spanne heelwat welslae behaal.

    Hy het ook College Rovers met groot sukses afgerig in die nasionale klubtoernooi. Volgens Gold was dit nog altyd sy plan om weer aan die stuur te staan van sake in die Super-reeks en nie net bloot te fokus op sy taak as direkteur van afrigting nie.
    Sou daar besluit word om Gold te behou as hoof-afrigter, kan dit dalk wees dat Du Preez ’n pos aangebied word as een van die hulp-afrigters.
    Of hy egter bereid sal wees om die skuif terug Durban toe te maak net om een van die assistente te wees, sal nog gesien moet word.”

    As per the article on network24

  • Comment 39, posted at 01.10.15 12:27:25 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 39) : Eish :roll:

  • Comment 40, posted at 01.10.15 12:28:49 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 37) : Boks played very well against both teams in the RC, till HM rang th changes. Think we can stand our ground, and maybe even surprise many naysayers.

  • Comment 41, posted at 01.10.15 12:31:17 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 39) : Dude, you do know how to spoil a guy’s mood :sad: Don’t you know that ignorance is bliss? :twisted:

  • Comment 42, posted at 01.10.15 12:33:21 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • So the Sharks have given up getting a coach with SR experience?

    I suppose its cool that at least one union is willing to “give guys a go”.

  • Comment 43, posted at 01.10.15 12:39:59 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 42) : Sowy! :lol:

  • Comment 44, posted at 01.10.15 12:41:52 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 39) : So I guess all the arguments of ‘Gary Gold only wants to be the director of rugby’ flies out the window now. What a fuck up! No better way to put it.

  • Comment 45, posted at 01.10.15 12:42:25 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 45) :

    Yeah, I didn’t care what he wanted to be anyway. He’s coaching the team now and he’s bad at it. I have no hope if we keep him on as head coach.

  • Comment 46, posted at 01.10.15 12:48:57 by Letgo Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 39) : ag you know, if Gary Gold were to tell me the sky is blue, I’d get it independently verified before believing it.

  • Comment 47, posted at 01.10.15 12:49:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 43) : Well technically Gold has one season of SR coaching under his belt. Whether that can be classified experience or simply a series of unfortunate events is an entirely different matter :grin:

  • Comment 48, posted at 01.10.15 12:51:48 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 39) : @robdylan (Comment 47) : What I’m struggling to comprehend is who handles the DoR responsibilities (that cliche of ‘setting up the structures’) while Gold is busy coaching?

  • Comment 49, posted at 01.10.15 12:53:35 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 48) :

    lol.

    Nah, but in all seriousness. I thought the idea was to get a heavyweight coach in.
    Now you’re looking at an ex-player (whose kids are playing for the union) that has no SR experience, one year of CC experience along with coaching club rugby for 3 seasons? Similar profile for his assistant.

    What is this, schoolboy rugby where one of the dads steps in to coach?

    Are things really that bad at the Sharks that this is the guy who will be the saviour?

  • Comment 50, posted at 01.10.15 12:56:37 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 50) : Like a few others on here, I don’t believe a Sharks coaching gig is a very tempting offer for the heavyweights out there (IF we have the money to afford one of them).

  • Comment 51, posted at 01.10.15 13:00:56 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 51) :

    I completely agree with you and have voiced it many times. Nobody wants to go to a union in dissaray thats run by a megalomaniac with no expeirence.

    But this is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

  • Comment 52, posted at 01.10.15 13:04:29 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 50) : Pretty much. One thing Gold is really good at is to manage fan expectations – at the moment I expect not much at all from this team next year.

  • Comment 53, posted at 01.10.15 13:05:00 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 53) :

    I dont think people fully appreciate how decisions that are takne now are going to manifest themselves for years and years to come.

    Dont get the right coach in now, results stay poor, more players leave, less are recruited, results dont improve, coach is fired, even more difficult to find a good coach, younger players get poached by other unions, results stay bad, and around and round we go.

    I appreciate the almost Marxist idea of giving a guy a go, but if it doesnt work its going to be a disaster.

  • Comment 54, posted at 01.10.15 13:13:07 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 52) : Not quite when we approach Alister Coetzee and he accepts thats the bottom of the barrel.

  • Comment 55, posted at 01.10.15 13:13:32 by The hound Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 39) : Thanks.

  • Comment 56, posted at 01.10.15 13:16:28 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 55) :

    Your hatred of anything WP is delusional.

    And i very much doubt he’d want the job.

  • Comment 57, posted at 01.10.15 13:17:16 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Just to put this in perspective – would you recruit a player to captain the Sharks that has 3 seasons of club rugby and a season of CC with the Leopards as his sole experience?

  • Comment 58, posted at 01.10.15 13:21:56 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 45) : Jeepers but Gold is blowing up my, not so spirited, defence of him and wanting to be the DOR with that one….if true.

  • Comment 59, posted at 01.10.15 13:21:57 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 57) : No just reacting to your comment that Rob du Preez is the bottom of the barrel according to your dissection of his credentials.
    Now if you put up Alisters credentials next to his,please tell me who is the bottom of the barrel
    Please keep the personal stuff out of it..

  • Comment 60, posted at 01.10.15 13:24:14 by The hound Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 59) :

    I dont think its that mate. These guys (think they) are pretty media savvy.

    I’d guess theyre struggling to find a quality coach to put pen to paper and so this is simply them managing expectations and laying the groundwork, so afterwards they can say this was the plan, instead of saying we couldnt get anybody else.

  • Comment 61, posted at 01.10.15 13:24:26 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • If Gary Gold doesnt get onto doing his DOR role next year it will set the Sharks back even further. Hate him as a coach but he needs to do that DOR job, if not him them someone needs to as its been neglected in Durban for years, hence the mess we find ourselves in. I will still wait till its announced by the Sharks but if true it perhaps shows that nobody is really interested in the job. Is Naka still on holiday? ;)

  • Comment 62, posted at 01.10.15 13:26:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 60) :

    No personal stuff i promise.

    And not defending Coetzee, but lets take an objective look.

    Directly from Wiki:
    Coaching career[edit]
    He started assisting Eastern Province coaches Johan Kluyts and Steve Baker in 1996 and was appointed assistant coach.[2][4] In 1998, he was also appointed as the team manager at Super Rugby side the Sharks, where he also became an assistant coach in 2000.[2][5] He also coached the Emerging Springboks in 1998, a Vodacom All-Stars team in 1999 and the South African Under-23 and South Africa ‘A’ sides in 2000.[2][6] He was also on the coaching staff of the South Africa in 2000 under Harry Viljoen, taking charge of their mid-week side.[7]

    He became head coach of the Mighty Elephants for the 2001 season,[8] becoming the first coloured head coach of a provincial side.[2][9] He remained head coach in Port Elizabeth until he resigned in July 2003.[10] He became a selector for the national team at the end of 2003[11]

    He was appointed as assistant and backline coach to Jake White’s Springboks in 2004,[12] where he remained until 2007. He was on the coaching staff of the side that won the 2007 Rugby World Cup.

    In 2005, he was also appointed backline coach for the Cats for the 2006 Super 14 season.[13]

    Following the end of Jake White’s tenure at the Springboks, Coetzee was one of the four main candidates to take over as head coach.[14] However, after losing out to Peter de Villiers,[15] he accepted an offer to become backline coach of the Stormers.[16] He also took over as head coach of Western Province later in 2008, following Gary Gold’s decision to become an assistant coach with the Springboks.[17] He was appointed head coach of the Stormers for the 2010 Super 14 season.[18]

    He remained with Western Province and the Stormers until the end of 2015, when he moved to Japan to take over as head coach of the Kobe Steel Kobelco Steelers.[19]

    And then Robert du Preez:
    He coached KwaZulu-Natal side College Rovers between 2011 and 2013 before returning to his home town of Potchefstroom to coach both provincial side the Leopards and university side NWU Pukke.

    I really dont know what more i can say.
    If you think du Preez is the better coach, then we really arent goign to have a fruitful discussion about this.

  • Comment 63, posted at 01.10.15 13:28:26 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 58) : What else do you know about Robert ,firstly he was a great Springbok who probably single handily changed the way Scrum halves play rugby.Then he had a very successful career in Sports sponsorship,probably doing more for rugby sponsorship from school level right through to Provincial level,than any other individual.
    He entered coaching quite late but his credentials are as good as any and he is ready to step up.
    Lastly he is a Shark through and through.So keep your” its like getting one of the kids fathers to coach comments to yourself”.

  • Comment 64, posted at 01.10.15 13:30:58 by The hound Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 41) : My problem is with him ringing the changes and the timing of it. He seems to have one rule sub at 70 or 75 minutes. He doesn’t seem to read or anticipate well. Shows a lack of coaching skill.

  • Comment 65, posted at 01.10.15 13:33:58 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 64) :

    John Smit was also a great player. So too was Harry Viljoen.
    So too was Rudolph Streuli.

    And he is one of the dads!

  • Comment 66, posted at 01.10.15 13:34:59 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • My point is really, there is no experience there. And i think its sorely needed.

  • Comment 67, posted at 01.10.15 13:37:51 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 66) : Yes one of the Dads at the Sharks and the Stormers,in the same game.
    So maybe there is a bit of rugby in him.

  • Comment 68, posted at 01.10.15 13:39:20 by The hound Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 67) : What experience is he lacking that Larkham and Blackadder had, when they made it to the finals of Super rugby in their first seasons as a coach at any level.

  • Comment 69, posted at 01.10.15 13:41:49 by The hound Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 66) :

    Could add Carel du Plessis and Andre Markgraaf to that list i suppose.

  • Comment 70, posted at 01.10.15 13:43:01 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 69) :

    Are you really comparing the Sharks to the Crusaders?

    As for Larkham, he was assistant coach the year before his appointment and then was in partnership with JW.

    Takeaway is that both unions were in relative rude health at the time, which makes taking over much, much easier.
    The Sharks are not in that situation, sadly.

  • Comment 71, posted at 01.10.15 13:46:12 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 68) :

    Im certainly not saying he’s not a rugby man through and through.

    I’m questioning the lack of experience. And i think that will be needed to rebuild this team.

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 72) : Thats good you’ve come a long way from ”one of the dads coaching”
    Maybe one day you can ask Naas his opinion of Robert as a rugby man.

  • Comment 73, posted at 01.10.15 13:56:08 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 73) :

    *sigh*.

    Never said he wasnt. I sadi he lacked exp… agh nevermind.

  • Comment 74, posted at 01.10.15 13:57:27 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 73) : @VinChainSaw (Comment 74) : If you two were on a playground we’d be singing “Hound and Vinnie sitting in a tree” by now :twisted:

  • Comment 75, posted at 01.10.15 14:01:19 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 75) : Nope, I ‘d have had his lunch money long ago and be spending it at the tuck shop

  • Comment 76, posted at 01.10.15 14:07:20 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 76) : To be fair though, everyone fancies themselves as a tough guy on the internet :grin:

  • Comment 77, posted at 01.10.15 14:24:43 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 63) : Impressive CV, but still was not able to deliver the goods. So this could be used as a counter argument for wanting “top flight experience”

  • Comment 78, posted at 01.10.15 14:26:18 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 77) : Ha! True! That’s why I’m getting a butch James pic as my avatar.

  • Comment 79, posted at 01.10.15 14:37:44 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Ja the best builders don’t necessarily make great architects. Same with rugby. Great coaches are a rare animal. Very rare in south Africa…..almost like dodo’s

  • Comment 80, posted at 01.10.15 14:49:35 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 66) : Strools was a good coach for all but the Boks (but then he did have Corne Krige as his captain) :mrgreen:

  • Comment 81, posted at 01.10.15 15:02:11 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • I see the Scots have basically picked their second team to play against the Boks.

  • Comment 82, posted at 01.10.15 15:16:50 by Ben Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 76) :

    That about sums you up, in your own words.
    A meat head, nothing more.

  • Comment 83, posted at 01.10.15 16:11:09 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 81) :

    Agreed, actually. Not a massive Krige fan.
    He was hard, but i didnt think he was terribly good.

  • Comment 84, posted at 01.10.15 16:11:50 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 78) :

    Yeah, so if a guy with that much expeirence couldnt do it, what chance somebody with zero experience at that level?

  • Comment 85, posted at 01.10.15 16:13:05 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 85) : Maybe it comes back to Strools, did great things with Border (B division) and then with the Sharks, ditto with Dick Muir from a club coach to a really good Super 14 coach. Some guys dont always need the arm long cv to get the results. Of course it would be a huge risk and leap of faith to appoint someone out of club / b division ranks to coach a super side. I really dont know if du Preez has what it takes but I do know that his Rovers sides were well drilled teams that oozed confidence (well all the way until the final hurdles that is), ditto his Pukke teams.

  • Comment 86, posted at 01.10.15 16:21:40 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 85) : If Coetzee was such an experienced coach why did Jake have to hire Eddie Jones to do his job in 2007,and I’m not boasting reckon anyone including most of the girls used to have your lunch money.

  • Comment 87, posted at 01.10.15 16:24:26 by The hound Reply
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  • Speaking of lesser known coaches, I really like what Brent Janse van Rensberg has been doing with the EP Kings, no sponsors, no salaries, not many positive results but he at least puts out a team that look interested and its clear they play for each other.

  • Comment 88, posted at 01.10.15 16:27:56 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Funny how no one on here gives B.J the credit for the Sharks golden years it was always the coaches who achieved it,yet 99% of the arm chair coaches on this site blame John directly for the Sharks demise,just saying.

  • Comment 89, posted at 01.10.15 16:28:54 by The hound Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 88) :

    I’d love to see what they could do with some money and after they jettisoned the watsons.

    There seems a lot of spirit and talent there, just not quite able to build the team year after year.

  • Comment 90, posted at 01.10.15 16:30:49 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 86) :

    Agreed, some guys dont. But they are the exception and they normally earn their stripes.

    Im just not sure there’s a good risk/reward here. And it smacks of not being able to get anybody with credentials. Which kinda says a lot too.

  • Comment 91, posted at 01.10.15 16:32:17 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 87) :

    I think you might need this. You bait is as stale as your breath.
    http://www.baitman.co.za/

  • Comment 92, posted at 01.10.15 16:33:49 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 92) : Once again with the personal shit,but its my fault for feeding the troll

  • Comment 93, posted at 01.10.15 16:35:41 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 93) :

    Whats personal about it? You’ve been throwing out stale bait from about your second comment. And not very good at that, but then it rarely is..

    Youve insulted me several times on this thread, yet now its me being perosnal.

    There’s a word for Sir – hypocrite.
    There are of course several others, but we’ll leave it at that.

    Anyway, you and your bait are boring me, so im gonna run off and do something worthwhile. Attempting a discourse with you does definitely not fit that description.

  • Comment 94, posted at 01.10.15 16:42:43 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 39) : proves what I have been saying all along… Gold is here to coach the Super team… go back and read the media release when he was appointed… God help us all…

  • Comment 95, posted at 01.10.15 17:09:22 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 94) : You sound just like Sheldon on the Big Bang Theory on his way home without his pants.

  • Comment 96, posted at 01.10.15 17:23:11 by The hound Reply
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  • Vincenzo has a massive boner for the Sharks it seems. They surely must haunt his little Stormer nightmares.

  • Comment 97, posted at 01.10.15 17:36:45 by Orlok Tsubodai Reply

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  • Well I for one do blame John directly. He does the hiring of coaches and the firing. The loss of Plumtree and White could have been prevented by him. Comparing what another guy did with what this guy didn’t do is not really a comparison. So it’s a thankless job, so what? If you choose to do it you know what you’re in for if you don’t like the nature of the job then resign.

  • Comment 98, posted at 01.10.15 18:30:24 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 89) : So true, he really deserves more acknowledgement than he got and he was at times written about as if he was the bad boy of KZN rugby.

  • Comment 99, posted at 02.10.15 09:14:12 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 96) :

    Even he has more people skills than you do.

  • Comment 100, posted at 02.10.15 12:51:50 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 96) : @VinChainSaw (Comment 100) : You two should really get a room. :twisted:

  • Comment 101, posted at 02.10.15 12:55:45 by Ben Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 100) : Do you ever STOP? You are really giving SW a sour taste of late.

  • Comment 102, posted at 02.10.15 15:20:50 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 102) :

    Go read through the thread again and then come back to me.

  • Comment 103, posted at 02.10.15 17:29:39 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • ok, enough now.

  • Comment 104, posted at 02.10.15 17:40:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • guys – here’s the deal. Vinnie and Hound, just ignore each other’s comments. Is that really so hard to do? We don’t all have to like each other here, but come on, surely we can have a debate without resorting to schoolboy name-calling? And my word, it really is THAT bad.

  • Comment 105, posted at 02.10.15 17:52:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 105) :

    Nah, Im one.
    Please delete my profile.

    The Hound leaves an indelible stench on ones soul, which im keen to be rid of. Unfortunately my superhero oath compels me to confront bigotry and injustice wherever i go.
    He has convinced me that the old adage of there being a bit of good and reasonableness in every person is unfortunately a lie.

    4000 odd comments and 60 articles is more than enough contribution to this cause.

  • Comment 106, posted at 02.10.15 18:17:04 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 106) : Don’t go! :)

    Just do what I do. Ignore the trolls.

  • Comment 107, posted at 02.10.15 18:21:47 by Ben Reply
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