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Sharks blow it again


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Cheetahs, Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 10 Oct 2015 at 15:48
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In a frankly amazing capitulation, the Sharks have squandered a 14-point lead to draw 34-all with the Cheetahs in the Currie Cup, in the process missing out on a semi-final spot.

In a dramatic contest, it was the home side that looked better in the early exchanges. On a day when a swirling wind made goal kicking nigh on impossible, Joe Pietersen stroked an easy one to give the Sharks a 3-point lead (and then missed a second), before several indiscretions in their red zone handed opportunities back to the Cheetahs – Sias Ebersohn missing both attempts. With the Sharks’ insistence on kicking hard-won ball down the throat of Cheetahs fullback Clayton Blommetjies, the young 15 provided a counter-attacking masterclass as he found the gaps and set up his fellow backs with good possession and territory. The Sharks’ poor defence – a hallmark of their season – again pitched in to ensure that each new foray resulted in acres of territorial gain for the hosts and had their hands been better on the day, they could well have been out of sight by half time.

Rayno Benjamin scored the first try 14 minutes in, with Ebersohn finally finding his radar to hand the Cheetahs a 7-3 lead. A brilliant score, somewhat against the run of play, brought the Sharks back into the contest; a lineout drive in the Cheetahs half saw prop Gerhard Engelbrecht burst free through the middle, before feeding charging Franco Marais down the left-hand touchline. Marais made it most of the way himself before finding Etienne Oosthuizen with a pinpont inside pass. Such was the quality of this brief stanza of play that it again highlighted just how frustratingly mediocre the Sharks had been up to that point. Pietersen’s missed conversion saw the visitors ahead just 8-7 after the first quarter.

The Sharks reverted to type, though, handing Ebersohn another opportunity for points shortly afterwards (which he missed) before yet more atrocious defence saw Boom Prinsloo score the hosts’ second. Ebersohn added the conversion, then missed another penalty. Another impressive individual effort from Andre Esterhuizen (dislodging a ball behind a Cheetahs ruck with a great tackle) created a gap for quick-silver Cobus Reinach to add five more, with Ebersohn finally nailing a penalty (his first in five attempts) to give his side a 17-13 lead at the break. Amazingly, after missing roughly one in four tackles and playing tactically moronic rugby, the Sharks were will in the contest with only 40 to play.

What followed was an infuriating half hour of rugby – infuriating, in the sense that it showed us just how good this Sharks team can be when they put their minds to it. With the line out proving a reliable platform off which to attack (why did they not do this more?), it was this very phase that saw Paul Jordaan score after a lovely half break from Pietersen two minutes into the second period. Now leading 18-17, the Sharks again went to sleep, poor discipline handing Ebersohn the opportunities he needed to reclaim the lead via a penalty. The Sharks started to take control at this point, though, finally working out that lineout drives were the key to success. Pietersen added a further penalty and Cheetahs prop Luan de Bruin was sin-binned for a tackle infringement, setting thing up nicely for a dominant finish. When Odwa Ndungane and Garth April combined down the right hand touchline for a bonus-point try to the fullback, it appeared the side had done enough, holding a 31-20 lead after 65 minutes. A further penalty established a 14-point cushion with ten minutes to play.

It was at this crucial 70th-minute point that the Sharks mentally cracked open the champagne, their “fighting chance” evaporating in the rarified Bloemfontein air as the Cheetahs struck back with two quick tries to level the scores and steal fourth place back. First, the Sharks paid the price for aimless attacking play in the opposition 22. Seemingly content to bash up through multiple phases without any finishing strategy, a penalty was duly conceded for holding on. A quick tap from the Cheetahs won acres of ground, with good hands doing the rest to set up Benjamin for his second. Replacement flank Gerhard Olivier scored the next one off a lineout drive on the fulltime whistle.

Free State Cheetahs – Tries: Rayno Benjamin (2), Boom Prinsloo, Gerhard Olivier. Conversions: Sias Ebersohn (2), Neil Marais (2). Penalties: Ebersohn.(2)
Sharks – Tries: Etienne Oosthuizen, Cobus Reinach, Paul Jordaan, Garth April. Conversions: Pietersen, Penalties: Pietersen (4).



309 Comments

  • Sharks throw it again?

  • Comment 1, posted at 10.10.15 15:50:03 by JarsonX Reply
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  • jeez guys. I don’t know what to say, I really don’t.

    Will try to sum this one up on Monday. For now, I need a stiff drink

  • Comment 2, posted at 10.10.15 15:53:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • Probably

  • Comment 3, posted at 10.10.15 15:56:22 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Probably the result the Sharks needed for change to happen.

  • Comment 4, posted at 10.10.15 15:57:00 by Pokkel Reply
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  • At least we won’t be embarrassed by the Lions next weekend.

  • Comment 5, posted at 10.10.15 15:57:44 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Go Samoa!

  • Comment 6, posted at 10.10.15 15:58:32 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Don’t bother Rob, I think you’ve said enough.

  • Comment 7, posted at 10.10.15 15:58:58 by Letgo Reply
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  • I don’t think I can take any more than that.

  • Comment 8, posted at 10.10.15 15:59:24 by Letgo Reply
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  • Crap…

  • Comment 9, posted at 10.10.15 15:59:47 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Beer time!!

  • Comment 10, posted at 10.10.15 16:00:17 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Need we really say more. Don’t put yourself threw the torture. Really!

  • Comment 11, posted at 10.10.15 16:00:20 by Letgo Reply
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  • I am caught between disappointment, anger and disbelief…

  • Comment 12, posted at 10.10.15 16:01:01 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : Rob, while I understand the disappointment, especially due to where the Sharks were in the game, I do not feel it fair in this instance to through negativity towards the Sharks. At times during this game, they were outstanding and there are massive positives to take note of. Thomas and Mjalo, only 20 years old, but scrumming the cheetahs to pieces, massive tick there. Andre Esterhuizen, a player I did not rate, 21 years old and now looks like he is becoming the real deal. He is starting to have a big influence in the games he plays. the u21s have some extreme talent in their depths. With all this and what I saw today, this side is going to move forward in a big way. Today they played their hearts out and were actually hammering the cheetahs. I think today showed this is just a side who at the moment, do not actually know how to win a game, but they on the up, in my opinion anyway

  • Comment 13, posted at 10.10.15 16:02:39 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • Im just terribly disappointed :sad:

  • Comment 14, posted at 10.10.15 16:02:55 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 10) : Maybe it’s a good time to take up drinking. Worst of all, I couldn’t find anyone willing to watch this one with me. My Mom is on vacation, my sister is in NZ.

    So I’m basically just sitting here considering my options. There’s a Tops Spar just 30 meters from my house. :)

  • Comment 15, posted at 10.10.15 16:03:21 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 15) : Same here! I mean about Tops being 30m away…

  • Comment 16, posted at 10.10.15 16:05:05 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 14) : Me too…

  • Comment 17, posted at 10.10.15 16:05:23 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 13) : What are you drinking? I’m getting myself some of that. There’s no way I can be that postive after getting that disappointed. You must have some sort of liquid motivation.

  • Comment 18, posted at 10.10.15 16:05:28 by Letgo Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 12) : I had no expectation left for this season. Time for the management and players to focus on next season.

  • Comment 19, posted at 10.10.15 16:06:23 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • This gives the boys time to put this train smash of a year behind them.

    Going through to the semis, just to have 60+ points scored against you really isn’t much of an achievement.

    We were rubbish during the first half, and only took controll when NPH (Claasens) came on.

    April looks very scared on defense, and he’s definitely not a long term option – unless he sorts this out.

  • Comment 20, posted at 10.10.15 16:06:51 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Disappointed, but perhaps better that it ends now. I am sure there will be internal reviews and tough questions asked. Especially because this will effect sponsorship and season ticket sales

  • Comment 21, posted at 10.10.15 16:07:09 by YamYam Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 14) : Yeah, especially after we completely took control in that second half. Completely.

  • Comment 22, posted at 10.10.15 16:07:18 by Letgo Reply
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  • I know we were suppose to lose by 60+ against the Lions, but I just didn’t feel like we would – what with # fightingchance and all. Also, all the expectation would have been on the Lions and with it being a knock out anything could have happened.

    Rooting for the Lions now though. Show HM what he’s missing out on. They deserve this cup anyway.

  • Comment 23, posted at 10.10.15 16:10:17 by Letgo Reply
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  • The only consolation isle didn’t have to watch this live,and that it will speed up Gold’s exit by a week.

  • Comment 24, posted at 10.10.15 16:10:58 by The hound Reply
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  • Add sadness, incredulity and emptiness all rolled into one…

  • Comment 25, posted at 10.10.15 16:11:42 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 24) : You’re very optimistic about that last bit…

  • Comment 26, posted at 10.10.15 16:12:20 by pastorshark Reply
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  • To put the cherry on this day Scotland will beat Samoa at the death and Australia will lose to Wales so that we have to face them in the quarters again…

  • Comment 27, posted at 10.10.15 16:13:24 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Dear John Smit. I dont know how you do it but you have made a career out of keeping better hookers, props, captains and now businessmen out of their jobs. I know you mean well, but please leave now. You have tried to fix what wasnt really that broken and in the process broken it. Please be a man and walk away. Do it for the people of Durban. The Sharks are very dear to us. You have overstayed your welcome Sir. Please go before this gets uncomfortable.

  • Comment 28, posted at 10.10.15 16:17:37 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • Google Now gave me the wrong time on this one. Told me it started at 16:00. Seems Google is looking out for my mental wellbeing now which is darn considerate for a tech company :)

  • Comment 29, posted at 10.10.15 16:23:16 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Anyway, I’m kind of relieved it’s over. Go Lions!!

  • Comment 30, posted at 10.10.15 16:24:01 by vanmartin Reply
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  • If you like Google you’re going to love supersport.com who up until half time still had us both at 0-0 even though the comentary (which was about 20 minutes behind) already advertised penalties and tries scored. Give it a bash.

  • Comment 31, posted at 10.10.15 16:27:11 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 27) : I really don’t want the Boks to face Oz in the quarters….them boys are on fire – unless you want HM fired off course ;)

  • Comment 32, posted at 10.10.15 16:29:05 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 32) : Ditto…

  • Comment 33, posted at 10.10.15 16:40:59 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : To be honest, I had given up on the Cheetahs by the 60 minute mark. Thy were sloppy and under the cosh. The change of Neil Marais at FH was immense, and I think the Cheetahs caught the Sharks napping, like they have done to us in the past.

  • Comment 34, posted at 10.10.15 16:41:01 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 29) : :grin:

  • Comment 35, posted at 10.10.15 16:42:24 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 29) : At least I can still grin…

  • Comment 36, posted at 10.10.15 16:42:57 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : ja boet forgot to say 14 point lead with 6 min to go!!!!!!

  • Comment 37, posted at 10.10.15 16:43:44 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 37) : Nooooooo…*sigh*

  • Comment 38, posted at 10.10.15 16:45:34 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 34) : congrats Cheetahs showed guts in the last 6 min to score two tries!!! Good luck for next week.

  • Comment 39, posted at 10.10.15 16:45:42 by JD Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 36) : I can’t grin I’m just sulking!!!!!

  • Comment 40, posted at 10.10.15 16:46:31 by JD Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 32) : Today I would have bet more money on us winning than aus losing. I think Aus will probably take the cup the way they are improving. NZ is a lot of hype, they had the easiest campaign and showed nothing to suggest they are unbeatable quite the opposite.

  • Comment 41, posted at 10.10.15 16:47:11 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 38) : ja boet sums up the whole season!!! So close but yet so far!!!!

  • Comment 42, posted at 10.10.15 16:47:33 by JD Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 41) : ja NZ does not look sharp!!!!!

  • Comment 43, posted at 10.10.15 16:48:36 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 40) : I can only grin with emojis or emoticons or whatever they are called… :grin: See it’s easy that way… :grin:

  • Comment 44, posted at 10.10.15 16:48:43 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 39) : Thanks bud. To be honest, neither of our sides were going to trouble the Lions anyway. Cheetahs showed guts to come back, but they were so sloppy in the second half, I was convinced they had botched it. I can only imagine, the Sharks players thought so too, because that blitz was totally out of the blue.

  • Comment 45, posted at 10.10.15 16:49:43 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 44) : can’t even grin with those things!!!

  • Comment 46, posted at 10.10.15 16:50:54 by JD Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 45) : ja seemed to be thinking game was done with 6 min to go. Lions should win the cup.

  • Comment 47, posted at 10.10.15 16:52:44 by JD Reply
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  • The Sharks have been soft at crucial times so often this Currie cup. This is a disappointing result but it shouldn’t be a surprise.

  • Comment 48, posted at 10.10.15 16:55:53 by war1 Reply
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  • Hell any new coaching staff should be something positive from this horribly gold standard year.

  • Comment 49, posted at 10.10.15 17:49:41 by DeanOwens Reply

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  • much talk about

    that’s our season done

    tough 10 weeks

    watached all the games live on the box, and a few again via youtube to have a closer look

    If we had made it, I figure it would have been a close game against the lions and then the lions go through, we would have benefited by having our team experience a semi, with many youngsters in the mix, but would it have given us a false sense of confidence in our ability

    now we’re out, we can really have a good long look at the quality of the squad, balance of depth and tactics

    I’m would not vote to sack Gold, we’ve had far too much instability over the past 2 years

    maybe if we had a stable back room staff all the player movement in and out of the squad would have effected us less

    If the speculation is true and RD is joining us from the leoperds thats great. I would give him the SR coach post. It’s not ideal, what would have been ideal was to have him coach the CC and then SR in the same way Bulls are doing with marais and cheetah are doing with franco

    but lets give him a chance, we do have worthy coaches in strudwich and everitt etc

    Gold is responsible for some of our issues but I dont blame him for every single thing

    I’ve got no beef with Hugo bladden but wow he seems out of touch, how did he not know that a draw was good for the cheetahs ? The super sport commentary teams of a play by play guy and a ex player are sub par, do they not prep before hand. I say this with no disrespect but I could do bladdens job way better than he does

    side not: Is kwagga smith the new keagan danials ? Only smaller and faster, his main job is to carry the ball not fetch

  • Comment 50, posted at 10.10.15 17:56:00 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • I am putting my Sharks regalia away and decoder off until Gold is at the Sharks no more. Smit must run the finances and sponsors and stay away from the field.
    We are slipping further and further away from a timely return to form. We can not afford another season of these antics because it will have such a serious financial impact and sponsorship losses on the union that it could take a decade to recover.

  • Comment 51, posted at 10.10.15 18:03:00 by KILLER SHARK Reply
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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 50) : Good comment…

  • Comment 52, posted at 10.10.15 18:05:02 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 52) : thanks bud

    have a good weekend further guys

    I’m off to hit the text books, it’s about time I started studying for fridays test lol

  • Comment 53, posted at 10.10.15 18:16:14 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • I thinks caps the wirst season in years…we need a massive overhaul as no momentum of improvement was at lesst achieved. …terrible nothing else to say

  • Comment 54, posted at 10.10.15 20:19:46 by Sharkfinn Reply

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  • @Sharkfinn (Comment 54) : I feel like you do. At least if we could walk away from this season saying things were changing and there’s somewhere to start from next year. ..but it seems our wheels have just been spinning all season. There may some limited individual growth but as a team. …zilch…Smit must go since if he knew what he was doing we would not be sitting with Gold or lost other opportunities.

  • Comment 55, posted at 10.10.15 21:12:02 by coolfusion Reply

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  • #betterlucknextyear

    Some #s to promote:

    #goldout
    #sendsmittoceoschool

    And to hope for:
    #roberttotheresque

    How ’bout?
    #superpattosavethesharks

  • Comment 56, posted at 10.10.15 22:47:32 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @DeanOwens (Comment 49) : Good comment Sir. We can’t get too negative. The last few games showed fight. I do still worry about our fitness levels though.

  • Comment 57, posted at 11.10.15 03:22:50 by MikeSebMatt Reply

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  • friday nights game will be a close one, saturdays game is likely to be interesting too, lions to win. Question is how many tries will the cheetahs score, and how well will the lions defend

  • Comment 58, posted at 11.10.15 06:00:31 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • Oh…and I forgot to mention that of course the Internationals are going to lose the President’s Cup on the last hole…
    #thatsortofweekend

  • Comment 59, posted at 11.10.15 08:18:23 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Pathetic.

  • Comment 60, posted at 11.10.15 13:08:28 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 59) : Bet you thought were going to lose the cricket in the last over as well :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

  • Comment 61, posted at 11.10.15 16:28:53 by The hound Reply
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  • Can’t believe some are focusing on some apparent “improvement” and, even worse, some suggesting Gold should stay. Who are these mediocrity embracers kidding?

  • Comment 62, posted at 11.10.15 16:51:49 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 61) : I confess it is true!!

  • Comment 63, posted at 11.10.15 18:03:43 by pastorshark Reply
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  • :roll:

  • Comment 64, posted at 11.10.15 18:05:13 by pastorshark Reply
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  • To anyone who wants to roll their eyes, look at the facts, any marginal improvement aside. Eleventh out of fifteen teams in Super Rugby, fourth in the SA conference, just ahead of the last placed Cheetahs. Played 16, won 7 lost 9 (43% win rate). First loss to the Lions in Super rugby in something like a decade, losses to every other SA team, home and away losses to the Bulls, home loss to the Cheetahs, 50 point drubbing from the Crusaders at home, 48 point drubbing by the Highlanders.

    And then we go and do worse in the Currie Cup, finishing 5th and behind the Cheetahs, first time we fail to make the semi finals in something like a decade, loss to the Pumas, squeaked a win against the Kings, losses to all the “big” unions, the drastic capitulation against the Cheetahs…

    All par for the course for any team coached by Gold of course.

    And given this annus horribilus some have the audacity to see “improvements” and call for the maestro Gold to be retained???

  • Comment 65, posted at 11.10.15 19:37:36 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 65) : I’m not watching another Sharks team if the coach is GG.

  • Comment 66, posted at 11.10.15 20:11:21 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 65) : How do you rate the work that John Mitchell did at the Lions?

  • Comment 67, posted at 11.10.15 20:19:43 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 65) : thank you ,and I suppose as well that this is not an absolute mess and disgrace and this once feared and mighty franchise is not being dragged down a bottomless pit by men who do not belong

  • Comment 68, posted at 11.10.15 20:50:05 by benji Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 67) : I’m sure he remembered to work on defence.

  • Comment 69, posted at 11.10.15 20:50:35 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 69) : You wouldn’t say so looking at the facts…check out the tries conceded by the Lions during his tenure…check out the results…bar one exception they were consistently worse than Gold’s. I am not happy with much that Gold has said and done. I want us to get a new head coach for super rugby. I roll my eyes, though, because you are always very quick to accuse people of accepting mediocrity when they give the slightest recognition to what improvements have been made and you are quick to point to any interpretation of facts that suit your opinion. Mitchell’s defensive record and his results were worse than Gold’s over two SR campaigns and one CC. Yet he is credited with laying the foundation for future Lions success. Of course, your reasoning would accuse the Lions admin and fans of accepting mediocrity for keeping Mitchell on past the first poor season. I just don’t agree with that…and I am happy just to agree to disagree and leave it at that…

  • Comment 70, posted at 11.10.15 21:15:06 by pastorshark Reply
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  • As much as I hate to lay the blame for a loss on one player, special mention should go to Oosthuizen for his lack of ability to do the simplest of basics , which was to pass the fucking ball with a massive overlap to his left after a turnover. He was under no pressure, had plenty of time, actually looked and saw the numbers to his outside; yet wandered languidly into the defense and handed them the ball. This one act of gross incompetence was the turning point, which cost us the game.

  • Comment 71, posted at 11.10.15 21:58:38 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 71) : As much as I recognise that he had one of his better games overall…I absolutely agree with you! I bloody screamed at him…he didn’t listen, of course!

  • Comment 72, posted at 11.10.15 22:15:51 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 72) : Same here! Dude must be deaf. :lol:

  • Comment 73, posted at 11.10.15 22:28:40 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 70) : where we depart is that you seem to accept a comparison between the Lions at their lowest (and it was really low) and the Sharks. As if we should ever be in the same boat…

  • Comment 74, posted at 11.10.15 22:30:36 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 70) : As I said a while ago. Mitchell came from a very low base. He introduced a different brand which the players took a year to come to grips with. His second year in charge they beat our Bok team by a huge margin in the CC final. GG had a team of Boks that had won a CC 2 years ago and finished 3rd in the previous SR competition. He inherited a good team. Please allow yourself to more broadminded and compare apples with apples.

  • Comment 75, posted at 11.10.15 22:30:52 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 71) : There are no consequences at the Sharks. Players f-up every game and get rewarded with a start next week. Remember that GG was favoured because of his soft skills first and hard (technical) skills second. Saracens model brought by Smit and Venter. Leading team prioritise technical coaching ability and then the soft man management skills.

  • Comment 76, posted at 11.10.15 22:38:32 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 74) : Agree. One simple question that people need to ask themselves. Has the Lions game changed from what Mitchell introduced? The answer is no. Did Mitchell get results with this gameplan? Yes, he won a CC in his second attempt. So Mitchell can be credited with the vision and laying the foundation. Please be aware that this takes nothing away from the Lions current coaching staff, they have done a great job. Only flaw is that they took a bit long to get this position and if Mitchell had continued they would have had a few more titles in the CC and at least one SR.

  • Comment 77, posted at 11.10.15 22:45:53 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 75) : Agree totally with you,Gold let this team slide down into torpid mediocrity,we are lower than when Putt was in charge.Comparisons with any other teams are meaningless,we will probably get one just know that we beat the Griquas,the Kings and the Pumas.The only stat that matters is that this is the first time in how many years that we haven’t made the semis of the CC.
    He must do the honourable thing and pack his shit and leave,of his own accord.I’m am sure there is a second hand car lot out on the cape flats that is looking for a dealer.

  • Comment 78, posted at 11.10.15 22:48:26 by The hound Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 75) : And yet John Mitchell took that team he won the Currie Cup with and ended last in the very next Super Rugby season. You really should be a bit more open minded and recognise that there other factors than just the coach that influence results:
    - in 2011 when the Lions won the Currie Cup they had a settled team that played together the whole tournament. The Sharks had a side that had been together for two weeks with half of them just coming off a gut wrenching and controversial world cup quarterfinal loss. Do you not think that played a role.
    - this year I predicted at the start of Super Rugby that we would struggle because we had a team full of Boks who would have their hearts firmly set on the world cup and not on Super Rugby. I think that was a major factor in our poor season. Another factor was untimely injuries.
    I disagree with the idea that you can only zone in on one factor.
    I disagree with the amount of impatience shown in one bad year.
    I disagree with the concept that a supporter can divorce themselves from their team.
    But that is me…and you are perfectly entitled to be you and to have your approach…I will keep pointing out where I disagree…and then, if we get to a point like this one, where it is clear that we will not convince each other…well, then I will just agree to disagree and leave it at that…

  • Comment 79, posted at 11.10.15 22:53:21 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Reading into an article in the Sunday paper that Meyer stifled a player revolt in his team post the Japan game and that a senior player threatened to walk out on the team,and Meyer acted decisively against him.That sort of starts to make sense of Bismarck’s absence in the Samoan game.
    Guess we will never know the true story behind that or about how disruptive he and his brother here to the Sharks set up.

  • Comment 80, posted at 11.10.15 22:57:20 by The hound Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 77) : That is a very brave prediction…and we will have to agree to disagree again. If Mitchell had stayed (and show me one coaching job where he stayed even just 3 years) he would have had to coach the Lions in 2013,when they weren’t in Super Rugby. You reckon they would then have won the title in 2014 or 2015 if he had still coached? Very brave prediction. I think that is very unlikely…

  • Comment 81, posted at 11.10.15 22:57:54 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 74) : But we are in the same boat…and the question is how do we start to get out of that boat and onto the one we want to be on? It took the Lions time to get out of that boat. And yet we want it to happen tomorrow? It’s not just going to happen like that…
    This whole debate started, not because I said Gold should stay…I have clearly said repeatedly I want a new head coach. This whole debate started when I asked the question whether we would give a new coach the time to get things right. The merry-go-round that is Sharks coaching has to stop, otherwise we will never get anywhere and we will not attract quality coaches. We are there already, aren’t we? You still act as though we can get any coach we want…that boat has sailed…

  • Comment 82, posted at 11.10.15 23:09:43 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Zibbie, where are you? I’d love to get your take on the whole John Mitchell thing. You probably know more about him at the Lions than we do. How do you view the comments we’ve made in the last little bit of this thread?

  • Comment 83, posted at 11.10.15 23:13:43 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 82) : What you are saying doesn’t make any sense,that we should stick with a failure for a coach just because he is the third coach we have had in three years.
    There is only one reason why we should stick with a coach it is because we are winning.Gold is never going to get better,but he has a good chance of getting worse.This is a great union and we can still attract the right kind of coach.Gold never was our kind of coach,and he never will be.
    I was speaking to an ex Natal scrum half the other day ,a very well thought of rugby man in this province and his opinion was that we should get rid of the lot of them Saad,Smit ,Gold,Rosenberg etc.
    He said it with such intent and hurt that made me realise just how rotten the situation is.

  • Comment 84, posted at 11.10.15 23:41:39 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 84) : Hang on…just read my comment again…I think you missed something…

  • Comment 85, posted at 11.10.15 23:48:44 by pastorshark Reply
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  • This is going to take a while :)

    After the Dick Muir debacle JM was the right person for the job. The Lions needed a disciplinarian and he cleaned house, getting rid of players who were just there for the paycheck.

    He built a good core of players who developed through 2011. Unfortunately he didn’t build much depth and when the massive spate of injuries hit in 2012 (something like 17 players out at one point) the back-ups were raw rookies.

    Between JM and Kevin de Klerk they were naive about the threat facing the Lions and KdK especially believed an alternative solution would be found while JM went on with the team as if there wasn’t a threat.

    I believe he followed the wrong strategy at the time wanting the team to score tries rather than take points on offer, going for wins, to the point that the opposition teams knew they could infringe with impunity in their own halves and the Lions wouldn’t kick for goal.

    Anyway, by the end of SR 2012 the players were in revolt and his position in the team became impossible.

    I believe his biggest ongoing legacy was the training he gave Ackermann rather than the coaching he gave the players. Most of his core players aren’t with the Lions anymore as the Lions lost more than 20 players in the aftermath of the 2012 SR season and Ackers started with a totally different squad and a new coach in Swys de Bruin.

    Ackers learned from the mistakes JM made and worked hard to build depth, rotating 8, 9, 10 players from match to match so that, today, fringe and backup players can slot in seamlessly. He had them play a more balance game, taking points on offer and becoming more expansive when the game allows. And he created a safe environment for the players to express themselves on and off the field.

    The Lions had the dubious luxury of being able to do this under the radar. Although 2013 cost them more than R40 million in lost revenues and having to play without a sponsor in 2014 one has to acknowledge that the year out had it’s benefits, especially with Ackers and KdK and others there. A different set of coaches and management might not have been able to pull it off because this was financially very tough on the union but also tough in not being able to recruit name players.

    I said previously, for the Sharks it will be more difficult to “take time off” to develop the squad as they still have to compete in the competitions (SR and CC will be running concurrently next year) and it will be up to the coaches and management to protect the players as much as possible from the pressures of rebuilding.

  • Comment 86, posted at 11.10.15 23:51:17 by Baylion Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 85) : Yes but in all fairness, you did leave that particularly important statement until more than half way through your post. This is the internet in the 21st century my friend, attention spans do not surpass two sentences! :mrgreen: ;-)

  • Comment 87, posted at 12.10.15 03:34:18 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 82) : some coaches bring instant success. The examples of them are innumerable. Can’t we just hit the jackpot with one of them? Not every coach needs patience to “build”.

  • Comment 88, posted at 12.10.15 04:03:14 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • Hound

    Your friend is onto something.
    Since JS’s appointment and the way van Zyl was dismissed, I’ve been of the opinion that Saad was the real power and was merely using JS as a puppet. I knew back then that bad things will result from such shenanigans. Just how bad I could not have predicted.

  • Comment 89, posted at 12.10.15 04:22:39 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 79) :

    Where does this idea of giving Mitchell credit for the Lions come from?

    From my perspective his tenure there was an unmitigated disaster.

  • Comment 90, posted at 12.10.15 04:36:25 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 88) : We did, we had Jake White…

    I have a strong feeling that we would have been without his services by the end of this world cup in any case.

    So to me, let’s back a guy like Robert du Preez, he has paid his dues coaching club, varsity and first division rugby with great success.

    I’m just a little bit concerned about SR though, as premier division CC experience would have served him well in preparing for the rigors of SR….but I’d rather have him, than another international coach merely using the Sharks as a stepping stone, or as a pension package.

  • Comment 91, posted at 12.10.15 06:32:27 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 88) : I would be very chuffed if that were the case…the examples where that doesn’t happen are probably more innumerable…but I hope we get lucky. I just don’t necessarily want us swopping coaches every year until we do get lucky… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 92, posted at 12.10.15 07:41:57 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 90) : Well, that’s precisely where this debate came from. Some guys said that Ackermann hadn’t achieved much, he had just built on Mitchell’s brilliance. I disagreed…

  • Comment 93, posted at 12.10.15 07:43:20 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 86) : Thanks for a very insightful comment…

  • Comment 94, posted at 12.10.15 07:44:28 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 86) : Where did you hear about Super Rugby and Currie Cup running concurrently? Has this been confirmed?

  • Comment 95, posted at 12.10.15 08:05:48 by StevieS Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 95) : Seems to be a done deal with details to be finalised. Talked to a Leopards Vice President this weekend and they are getting ready for February

  • Comment 96, posted at 12.10.15 08:25:36 by Baylion Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 85) : Rugby is a goal orientated profession and if you do not achieve your goals you have failed,Gold just like Stuart Lancaster,accepted that as part of his job.Both knew that they would be judged on their results,and as both failed to make the playoffs they should resign.

  • Comment 97, posted at 12.10.15 08:28:38 by The hound Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 96) : That’s very interesting. Thanks for the info.

    @robdylan (Comment 2) : Any chance of a story on the new format?

  • Comment 98, posted at 12.10.15 08:35:40 by StevieS Reply
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  • Tough result on the weekend. Some really good play to get the lead but they lacked the ability to close it out. As the say winning is a habit but so is losing.
    Fpr those calling for the Coach, CEo and even the bus driver to be fired…if the next coach comes in also doesnt win super rugby and CC then must he too be fired? Just curious…

  • Comment 99, posted at 12.10.15 08:41:00 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 84) : AhA – methinks your scrummy friend is onto something but if you want to apportion culpability then Gold would be on the bottom of that list.

  • Comment 100, posted at 12.10.15 08:47:39 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 98) : I will do one as soon as I have some details

  • Comment 101, posted at 12.10.15 09:07:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 100) : he may not be at the top, but he’s on the list all the same.

  • Comment 102, posted at 12.10.15 09:08:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 84) : very interesting. Ja think we all just blame gold but I also think the problem runs a bit deeper!!!!!!

  • Comment 103, posted at 12.10.15 09:18:32 by JD Reply
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  • Something is very rotten in Sharks at the moment, and perhaps this loss may just be the catalyst for the decision makers to start being bold – we can only hope.

    I agree that this goes way way up, and from what I can see the turning point was the appointment on the new board members, and the subsequent letting go of Van Zyl and Plum, since then things having been getting worse and worse and who knows how low it can go.

  • Comment 104, posted at 12.10.15 09:22:38 by stevovo Reply
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  • And here we go again, more sorry letters from the Sharks… So tired of seeing these sorry letters this whole year long. Pretty pathetic to be honest.

    http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/CurrieCup/Sharks-captain-coach-say-sorry-to-fans-20151012

    http://sharksrugby.co.za/index.php/component/articles/?view=article&id=2842998

  • Comment 105, posted at 12.10.15 09:32:36 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • JS, how many more darn sponsors do you want on the Sharks jersey and pants? Whats next sponsor on the socks? Sponsor on the players foreheads?

  • Comment 106, posted at 12.10.15 09:35:39 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 105) : The most pathetic thing of all is that these guys have had months to prepare those statements and this is the best they can come up with.

  • Comment 107, posted at 12.10.15 09:40:22 by The hound Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 101) : Thanks Rob. Looking forward to hearing what’s actually going to happen.

  • Comment 108, posted at 12.10.15 09:42:08 by StevieS Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 97) : That’s fine…but then the other guys on here can’t really use John Mitchell as a shining example…all I’m asking for is consistency…you can’t call Mitchell brilliant and Gold kak purely on results…Gold has had one season…Mitchell’s first season was truly aweful…

  • Comment 109, posted at 12.10.15 09:42:24 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 99) : Dangerous question apparently…

  • Comment 110, posted at 12.10.15 09:43:47 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 110) : haha apparently so :) But im just wondering what the consensus is? If a coach doesnt win anything in a year must he go? If yes then thats cool but we will most prob have a new coach every year. And at what stage do we look at players for accountability? Do we have the best players or only the 5th best?

  • Comment 111, posted at 12.10.15 09:52:13 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Ultimately…answer me this…if Mitchell was appointed at the Sharks and his results in the first season were exactly those he achieved at the Lions (6th in the Currie Cup and 14th in Super Rugby) would you insult him and call for him to be fired? By all means, get a new head coach – I really do have my issues with Gold…but then please also have a reasonable, objective, sensible plan going forward, a plan that addresses all issues that need to be addressed and then have the patience to implement it properly. On the long run that is the best policy. Just having a coach who comes in, maybe gets us some results, but isn’t part of a wider plan that addresses all issues…well, that’s not what I want. I would love to have an honest interview with decision makers who really have all the info. Most of is just don’t have all the info…and as long as we don’t, just shouting won’t be very constructive…

  • Comment 112, posted at 12.10.15 09:53:24 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 111) : Well, you know where I stand on that…

  • Comment 113, posted at 12.10.15 09:54:15 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 113) : You are far too logical. More rant less reasoning please…

  • Comment 114, posted at 12.10.15 09:56:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 102) : For sure, as wil, Im sure, the next coach be, unless some continuity and proper structures get put into place.

  • Comment 115, posted at 12.10.15 10:00:45 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 115) : I only half buy that.

    I agree with you that structures are far from healthy, but I cannot accept the results that Gold has produced with what is still a very good squad.

  • Comment 116, posted at 12.10.15 10:13:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • Well I’m not going to read all the comments above so I might say something that has already been said.

    I for one feel relieved that this season is over for us. In years gone by (maybe not CC so much) we always spoke about what “if’s”. This season we singing a different tune and it is called “WTF”. The few I did read spoke about who is to blame and whether or not it is Gold’s fault or JS. The fact is that neither Gold or JS runs onto the field to play the actual match. Although some of the decisions made by either party could have an effect on the players, there still lays some responsibility on the players them selves. I feel we lack leadership on the field. Not one player on the 2015 campaign stood out as a leader to take control of business on the field. If we can sort that out then things should improve. Then we could perhaps look at the coaching staff. From what I heard Gold never wanted to be hands on and wanted to focus on structures instead. If that is true then perhaps we should give the guy a break and hope the Sharks can find a person with the necessary skill set to get the team back to winning ways. So the two problems I feel we have is leadership on the field and perhaps a coach that really wants to coach versus one that wants to do something else (what he was employed to do).

  • Comment 117, posted at 12.10.15 10:13:45 by Farlington Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 114) : I’ll try… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 118, posted at 12.10.15 10:14:58 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 116) : I think Super rugby this year we did have a good squad- injuries aside. But im still not convinced we did for CC…hooker,lock,10-15,bench were all weak areas

  • Comment 119, posted at 12.10.15 10:17:44 by SheldonK Reply

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  • When a team wins all the credit goes to the coach and the captain,they are the ones who get the glory.
    What do you remember about 95,Kitch and Pienaar,2007,Jake and John.
    So when the team fails the blame must apportioned accordingly,Gold and Wentzel two mediocre, middle of the table kinda guys,we basically got what we paid ,for fifth spot.
    Anyone happy with that,is also a basic middle of the road kinda person.
    Sharks have never ever been about that,get rid of both these losers.

  • Comment 120, posted at 12.10.15 10:28:46 by The hound Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 116) : Would you feel the same way if Joe P’s one kick had gone over and we were going to be playing the Lions in a semi this coming weekend.

  • Comment 121, posted at 12.10.15 10:29:30 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 121) : in all honesty, I would.

    Or let me rephrase, I would definitely feel the same way having taken a 30-point drubbing in that semi.

  • Comment 122, posted at 12.10.15 10:34:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • How much of this is Gold’s fault?

    When we look at what JW achieved within a very short space of time, without properly qualified assistants and with the same wonky-clunky systems in place – then you’d have to feel that a half decent coach should have achieved far more than what Gold has done.

    Add to this the amount of assistants at his disposal during SR – one of them currently head coach of the only Sharks team to make the semi-finals, and you’d have to agree that Gold is more guilty than innocent.

    The question for me: Should he remain as “DoR” (more a glorified position for the tech guy helping create backroom structures), or should we again start-a-fresh?

  • Comment 123, posted at 12.10.15 10:38:12 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 122) : We played the Lions twice already and in both games we were there or there abouts so there was nothing to suggest that a drubbing would be on the cards.

  • Comment 124, posted at 12.10.15 10:46:51 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 109) : what aspects of our game have drastically improved. Are we seeing something new?

  • Comment 125, posted at 12.10.15 10:47:35 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 123) : Im all for burning Gold at he stake but you cant compare to White as yes White won a few games but he was also heavily criticised for the style of play and the fans didnt want the Sharks playing that way. So by all means remover Gold and whoever else…but if we clean out again and the players still dont produce then do we just keep cleaning out?

  • Comment 126, posted at 12.10.15 10:50:10 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 123) : White was here in the honeymoon period, you know, when bloggers were already etching the Sharks name on the cup because in Smit and White nothing could go wrong, go wrong, go wrong……

  • Comment 127, posted at 12.10.15 10:50:17 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 127) : That “honeymoon” sure didn’t help BMH (though he did better than Gold :shock: ).

    I actually don’t know what to think….Whether Gold is implementing some new gameplan which our players are still getting to grips with…or is his vision just a little bit too naive?

    Under Gold though, our defense has gone to the dogs – there is nothing – and the tsietas were able to break our line at will…we all blamed Horak during SR, yet he’s having serious success with our u/21′s (when last has that happened?)

    So defense to me is 100% Gold’s fault…he ruined us in that aspect.
    So where has he shown improvement, and where else has he failed?

  • Comment 128, posted at 12.10.15 11:02:38 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 126) : Why are the players not producing?

    When a guy like Ackerman was able to get the rejects from other unions to produce for the Lions….when a guy like Stonehouse was able to get no-name players to produce for a no-name union….when a guy like du Preez got guys to adequately produce for Pukke/Leopards – then we have to ask:

    when is it not the coach’s responsibility?

  • Comment 129, posted at 12.10.15 11:06:48 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 129) : Its a combination of ability and coaching. The Sharks scored 34 points on Sat- was that coaching or just their good ability? They then conceded 34- again was that down to bad coaching only or their ability. The ‘rejects’ that the Lions/Pumas have got are guys that couldnt crack it at the bigger Unions when the Boks were around and didnt want to sit around waiting for their turn. If those guys that are now at the Lions and Pumas were back at the Sharks would we have the same team we sent out this weekend? Probably not. So again i say its a combination of coaching and ability…as well as quality of opposition on the day.

  • Comment 130, posted at 12.10.15 11:17:54 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 130) : So you blame our failures on players depth?

    Then explain our humiliating SR season….Gold had everything at his disposal.

  • Comment 131, posted at 12.10.15 11:21:55 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 128) : There are no signs of something new or that he is working towards something. That is my biggest concern. If we we were losing but could see the vision we would be having a different conversation.

  • Comment 132, posted at 12.10.15 11:25:58 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 131) : Seriously? did u read my comment? I said its a combination! Please read before ranting. I also said i didnt hav a problem getting rid of Gold BUT if the next guy also doesnt win then what? fire him too? and the next guy? Im also not saying the next guy wont win but chances of him definitely winning super rugby and cc are a bit thin.

  • Comment 133, posted at 12.10.15 11:31:54 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 128) : BTW under 21s lost 72-20 or something like that, but I get your point.

  • Comment 134, posted at 12.10.15 11:33:44 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • I see in JS’s letter to the fans that they are working on more signatures. Any rumours going around? I am going to start focusing on 2016…

  • Comment 135, posted at 12.10.15 11:38:32 by HeinF Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 133) : So exactly what are you saying,stick with the broken watch we have now because at least we know it will be right twice every day.

  • Comment 136, posted at 12.10.15 11:43:35 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 133) : Calm down

  • Comment 137, posted at 12.10.15 11:44:43 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 134) : Ouch!

  • Comment 138, posted at 12.10.15 11:45:20 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 136) : No what i am sayin is if we do change then we need to do more than just change 1 guy as if we think 1 guy makes all the difference we are very wrong. Doesnt matter who we like to blame the fact is that for starters the Sharks are about the 5th fittest team- so number 1 lets fix that. We then need to win our set pieces so next on agenda is fix those or get better personnel in. Step 3 would be selecting the right team for the game plan we want to play with our fit side that has good set pieces.

  • Comment 139, posted at 12.10.15 11:56:01 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 136) : Logically and realistically, what can be done that is going to cause the least damage? We are in the dwang, how best can we get out of it.

  • Comment 140, posted at 12.10.15 12:18:34 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Soo freakin glad this season is over and its even more clear now that Mr Gold has NO CLUE when it comes to coaching. I wouldnt let him coach a primary school team at best..
    John Smit must get his head out of his friends’ backsides and smell the fresh air to see what is happening, it really doesn’t take a rocket scientist. I really hope they have a competent coach lined up for next season. I refuse to watch another game where mr gold is the coach – he should go back to selling cars rather :twisted:
    @SheldonK (Comment 139) : I concur – this team of ours isn’t fit at all. Why or how the coaches cannot see this is beyond me!!!

  • Comment 141, posted at 12.10.15 12:27:29 by RedSharkUtd82 Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 84) : yes I also heard that a while back from a top source a mate and way back then I still commented on a thread by calling it the Chelsea Syndrome,Chelsea is a good example of this type of problem

  • Comment 142, posted at 12.10.15 12:28:34 by benji Reply
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  • @RedSharkUtd82 (Comment 141) : Yes they are not fit thats easy to see. Whether it has been identifed- thats a lot harder to tell just from watching on a sat. To give the coaches the benefit of the doubt it may have been picked up…but correcting it in a short turn around isnt neccessarily that easy. U can also give the players hundreds and hundreds of programs but at the end of the day it boils down to what effort they put in and also how their bodies adapt. Thats why i say its very tough and unfair to point to 1 thing and say thats why. It is much more likely a combination of things. Just like when a team is winning its a combination of things that result in that win. But for me priority number 1 before super rugby would be to improve the standard of fitness ten fold.Do that and get set pieces right and we will compete trust me.

  • Comment 143, posted at 12.10.15 12:34:02 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 140) : Look without getting emotional which is easy,the season was a disaster.Gold proved that he is incapable of a Currie Cup semi,how can you in all honesty then say lets give him a chance at a Super rugby.
    He must go and quickly,not be promoted upstairs to a cushy job, he hasn’t earned it.Bring in the best coach we can find to turn this team around.
    If you want an analogy ,and this could come back to haunt me,look at Liverpool F.C.Great club,great heritage going absolutely nowhere under a mediocre,nice guy coach.
    The powers to be didn’t wait for long in the season to replace him with a guy with energy and huge hope.
    Maybe it won’t work but nobody can cause the management of not wanting it to work.
    Gold is hopeless he must go,bring back some pride to a great union.

  • Comment 144, posted at 12.10.15 12:38:43 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 144) : Im happy with that logic but tell me if, and using the Liverpool example here, the new big name high profile coach doesnt win the league- would it be fair for supporters to also call for his head after a year?

  • Comment 145, posted at 12.10.15 12:41:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 145) : Yes,friend I don’t know what you do but if you worked for me and didn’t produce I’d fire you,and if the guy who replaced you didn’t produce I’d fire him.It only in North Korea that you get a job for life if your name is Kim.

  • Comment 146, posted at 12.10.15 12:53:19 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 146) : No im happy with that. It just very often happens that the ‘high’ profile’ guy gets given time to build but the guy coming through the ranks gets shown the door if doesnt achieve instant success. Im not saying thats exactly the sharks situation now just an observation. Im happy to say that any coach that doesnt win a trophy with the sharks in a year should be replaced

  • Comment 147, posted at 12.10.15 13:03:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 147) : We are not talking about not winning a Super rugby trophy here we are talking about not making the Currie Cup playoffs.

  • Comment 148, posted at 12.10.15 13:13:44 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 148) : So what are we looking for exactly? Cos people want a high profile coach so that the sharks win. Both Plum and White made playoffs but that was deemed not good. Or was the result good but not the way we played? So we want a coach that gets the team playing ‘running rugby’, that makes the playoffs in both super rugby and CC but doesnt have to win anything?

  • Comment 149, posted at 12.10.15 13:19:19 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 144) : All good and well but who is this “best coach we can find”.

    Is it a varsity cup / CC B section side coach or are you looking for a more established bigger name coach?

  • Comment 150, posted at 12.10.15 13:32:31 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 109) : Gold took a team laden with Springboks who “won” the conference and finished 3rd overall just the year before and… we are the Sharks not the Lions (used to finishing in the semi places in Super Rugby not the bottom like the Lions). You really are stretching your Mitchell analogy to its extreme.

  • Comment 151, posted at 12.10.15 13:57:11 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 112) : for the Lions finishing 14th in Super Rugby would be considered normal. Unless you have very low standards you KNOW that 14th is simply unacceptable for the Sharks. Again you’re comparing apples with pears

  • Comment 152, posted at 12.10.15 13:59:54 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 112) : nobody is saying we mustn’t address the inadequate “structures” :eyeroll: but what most are saying in addition is that a team like the Sharks must hold a coach who produces the results Gold has, to account. If we don’t then we have become as ambitious as the Lions in Super Rugby…. the two are not mutually exclusive…

  • Comment 153, posted at 12.10.15 14:04:00 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 114) : I reckon you and Salmonoid must be related to Gold. Your combined and sustained defence of his woeful results has, with us failing to make the semi finals of the Vodac… err I mean Currie Cup, indefensible…

  • Comment 154, posted at 12.10.15 14:06:53 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Farlington (Comment 117) : Gold was hired to coach bru… he did and he has stated that he intends to next year (without contrary info from the union)… accept this please. I really don’t know why some still want to give him the benefit of the doubt because of some clearly false notion that he never wanted to be “hands on”… if so why was he appointed to coach our Super team? I never wanted to end up working at my previous job but you know what, I did and I was held to account for my decisions… and I took my paycheck just as I’m sure Gold does…

  • Comment 155, posted at 12.10.15 14:12:49 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 120) : spot on. But the mediocrity embracers believe otherwise it seems…

  • Comment 156, posted at 12.10.15 14:14:43 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 154) : Sorry i dont rant with being reasonable and no we are not related. U want to replace 1 guy and think the team will suddenly win every game. Sorry to tell you winnign isnt that easy. And if by some miracle an international ‘winning’ coach does sign with the sharks and we dont win a trophy will you just as loudly call for his head? or is it just Gold you have something against as your name suggests? If you read my posts you will see i hav no problem changing the coach. But only changing 1 thing and expecting miracles is a bit far fetched im afraid. But again thats just being reasonable…

  • Comment 157, posted at 12.10.15 14:15:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 128) : Serious success?? Well I suppose from where they started, they did improve. But got humiliated vs. the Cheetahs in Bloem, and it’s hard to see that changing in the semi’s!
    I rate Horak, but just saying.

  • Comment 158, posted at 12.10.15 14:16:05 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 150) : That is a loaded question and I suspect that you already have your answer.
    I don’t think there is a blueprint for excellent coach,and in my opinion experience has nothing to do with it.Stephen Larkham with two years experience is twice the coach than Gary Gold with 20 years experience.The best rugby coaches are ex school masters and three of them have world cups,Kitch,Jake and Graham Henry.Martin Johnson as a captain had no equal, as a coach he sucked.
    I always thought John Smit was going to be an excellent coach ,he has all the credentials.
    To answer your question my gut tells Robert will be a fantastic coach,what he may lack in a formal coaching c.v he makeup for in rugby pedigree.You will search a long way to find a man more immersed in the game,as a player he had few equals.

  • Comment 159, posted at 12.10.15 14:20:09 by The hound Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 123) : another wise voice… my view is that Gold had never shown the ability or skill of coaching teams to any form of success whatsoever so why the hell do we want this guy who is incompetent and lacks the winning touch occupying such a prominent position as “DoR” (even in the Stormers sense of the title) at our proud and ambitious union? Does he inspire confidence? So he is responsible directly as head coach for our worst year of results in arguably living memory yet we should reward him with a promotion to a more senior role? Where is the sense in this? Get his loser mentality out of our union now! He is, after all, only there because he’s big mates with our CEO.

  • Comment 160, posted at 12.10.15 14:20:46 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 157) : read comment 153 again.

  • Comment 161, posted at 12.10.15 14:22:21 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 126) : why do you focus on “what if the next coach doesn’t produce”? Why not “what if the next coach DOES”? Can it be any worse? What are you afraid of? Why do you wish to reward Gold for his absolutely dire results? What makes you think Gold has it in him to take this team to the Super Rugby trophy?

  • Comment 162, posted at 12.10.15 14:25:37 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 161) : I read your comment. Ur rolling ur eyes at changing structures but just want a scapegoat. Im not sure which fantasy coach you think the sharks will get but if he too doesnt win will you also call for his head just as loudly- thats what im asking? Ive never said changes are not required. But if all we want to do is burn 1 guy at the stake to make us feel better well then im not sure much will change next year in terms of results. And just like you are holding Gold accountable for results he should hold players accountable and thereby terminate the contracts of many guys in this squad.

  • Comment 163, posted at 12.10.15 14:28:39 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 143) : Remember Jake got them to work 7 hours a day which included a lot of fitness and conditioning. GG and Brendan don’t see a need for so much training.

  • Comment 164, posted at 12.10.15 14:29:59 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 143) : perhaps if our professional, highly paid players started “work” at 08.30am they’d be fit now (the end of the season)?

  • Comment 165, posted at 12.10.15 14:30:55 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 162) : Why i say that is because we want to change a guy after a year so are we just continually going to change until mayb 1 day it works? or are we going to put plans in place to try ensure success rather than just changing the personnel.

  • Comment 166, posted at 12.10.15 14:31:09 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 144) : great post.

  • Comment 167, posted at 12.10.15 14:32:05 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 164) : @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 165) : I d remember Jake putting that in place as he felt the players attitude and conditioning was ‘lazy’. But that didnt seem to work out too well for him. So we just got rid of the coach instead of the problem.

  • Comment 168, posted at 12.10.15 14:32:49 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 147) : but Gold has never won anything before so he didn’t start with much credit to his name. He has shown no reason in a full year now why we should be patient with him. He has no winning mentality. Get him out our system now before he corrupts it any further.

  • Comment 169, posted at 12.10.15 14:34:43 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 163) : what on earth does “what if the next coach doesn’t succeed” have to do with the here and now of Gold’s terrible results? It comes across that you are suggesting Gold should therefore stay in his role. Do you believe this, let’s all be clear?

  • Comment 170, posted at 12.10.15 14:40:45 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 169) : Fair enough people dont like Gold or what he brings. But you cant start on about his pedigree and then mention the Lions and Ackermann or the Pumas and Stonehouse as those guys also won zero before they were appointed and in their first year. Fans want this miracle coach but we arent realistic. Any good coach would look into the systems at the sharks and say thanks but no thanks at the moment. So do i think Gold is the best we can ever get- prob not. But would i mind if we left him there and fixed all around him so that perhaps a ‘high profile’ coach may be interested down the line…well im not sure, but it is at least a long term plan

  • Comment 171, posted at 12.10.15 14:40:54 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 170) : Why i say that is because if we change Gold and the next coach doesnt win and we then replace him then we are just repeating the cycle and getting nowhere. So yes fair enough replace Gold with someone- but dont only do that and hope for him to win. I also make the point because people have been very critical of Gold from day 1…would they be just as critical of the new guy or is it just Gold they didnt liek us much. Thats my point.

  • Comment 172, posted at 12.10.15 14:43:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 171) : where we depart obviously is your blind faith that Gold has it in him to be left to his own devices “behind the scenes” to “fix things”. Based on his results at the Sharks and every previous rugby role (including DoR at Bath) he has had I’m calling a spade a spade. No, he does not have it in him. There is more chance of a chimp randomly typing the old testament on a typewriter.

  • Comment 173, posted at 12.10.15 14:47:55 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 173) : Ok so it is just Gold and what he bring sthat you are not a fan of. Fair enough. But then who out there fits that unblemished record that you want to bring in? I cannot think of 1 guy, can you? So not a problem you arent a fan of Gold (I also dont particularly enjoy his thinking) but i try to be fair to all and if he is changed and fired then the next guy in should also get the same scrutiny and criticism from the start…should it be warranted. To add to this lets not forget the meddlesome Brendon Venter we had at the start of the year that vanished as soon as results went south

  • Comment 174, posted at 12.10.15 14:53:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 174) : Eddie Jones is technically astute, has a winning mentality and track record and would immediately instil confidence… oh hold on our nearest rivals just contracted him. Oops.

  • Comment 175, posted at 12.10.15 14:57:00 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 173) : LMAO :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 176, posted at 12.10.15 14:58:21 by The hound Reply
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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 173) : I kno u may not appreciate this point of view but if i was Gold id be turning to John Smit and whoever does recruiting and say thanks for the lack of tight 5 i had to work with this CC. And if i held players truly accountable id probably cancel about 10 contracts. But it wont happen as the environment in Durban is a ‘friendly’ one.

  • Comment 177, posted at 12.10.15 15:00:26 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 175) : Before the World Cup Eddie Jones was having his ass handed to him as Japanese coach. What a difference a few games can make to an ‘unblemished’ record. He has also said he would look at offers for the Eng job. Wonder how we would react if we signed Eddie Jones only for him to say not even a month later that he is looking at other offers.

  • Comment 178, posted at 12.10.15 15:03:10 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 177) : wasn’t Gold brought in on the basis that he’s a cuddly teddy bear and would mollycoddle the players after the terrible nightmare endured by the players under White? So no, I don’t expect Gold to do what you say. Never seen any fire or spine in the guy, besides.

  • Comment 179, posted at 12.10.15 15:03:50 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 151) : @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 151) : Ha ha, yep we are the Sharks and therefore we demand to finish in the top spots. (Lions are happy to just be allowed to play with us – ho hum) Where were you when Natal were battling to beat NOFS year in and year out. Is this entitlement syndrome something that KZNers are born with. You sound like a colonialist whom expects the rest of the country to be grateful to for the “priveledge” of wiping your ass with a stinging nettle whie tickling your dangly bits with an ostrich feather.

  • Comment 180, posted at 12.10.15 15:05:06 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Gold is and has always been a stooge of the players. Does he hold his own opinion? Where this all started was Smit as captain and one of the senior player cabal ruling the roost over the PDivvy coaching era which included Mr Nice Guy Gold as assistant coach. Smit brought in a yes man.

  • Comment 181, posted at 12.10.15 15:06:55 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 154) : Not related to Gold but wouldnt mind being related to the Pastor.

  • Comment 182, posted at 12.10.15 15:07:04 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 180) : wow talk about an inferiority complex.

  • Comment 183, posted at 12.10.15 15:07:54 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 158) : they sent a b team. Not saying the A-team would have won, but they wouldn’t have shipped 74 points.

  • Comment 184, posted at 12.10.15 15:08:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 179) : I think the reason Gold was brought in was i believe he is seen to be a good technical analyst and thus would be good at setting up the technical structures etc of the union as DOR. Ye she coached Super rugby this year and being new to the Union i dont have a problem with that- BUT i would have liked his assistants in Super rugby to be the ones to have taken over in CC and then leading into Super rugby 2016. I think John Smit also meddled and got Brendon Venter involved to add his 3 cents but then he ducked as soon as it became tough. Since Smit gave Plum the boot every appointment has been a panic stop gap so id like to see that change going forward.

  • Comment 185, posted at 12.10.15 15:09:15 by SheldonK Reply

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  • No wonder Salmonoid accepts the shocking results of today. He harks back to the days of losing to the purple people eaters in the B Div. Times have changed dude… we all have smart phones today. We know there’s water on Mars. And the Sharks have moved on too.

  • Comment 186, posted at 12.10.15 15:10:51 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 159) : I agree on Du Preez, but is he ready to already coach a struggling super team. Im not sure and that is why I will be willing to accept he an Gold doing the job together for next season after which Gold moves on to do what he has been appointed to do. If you can find a better, more experienced man than Gold to help ease du Preez into the role then by all means appoint him – I just dont thinkthere is anyone available and willing at the moment.

  • Comment 187, posted at 12.10.15 15:13:16 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 180) : If you were around then ,then you should be as furious as the rest of us that this Charlatan has taken us back there,we fought so hard for this Union and Gary fucken Gold is wiping hi s arse with our jersey.

  • Comment 188, posted at 12.10.15 15:16:29 by The hound Reply
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  • There is so much internal fighting here. Let’s combine our energies into something constructive. I think the majority of us agree that GG can’t be head coach going forward and that Rob will make an awesome assistant. I don’t care what they do with GG. They can make him deputy CEO for all I care as long as he is not coaching my team. I suggest we therefore get petition for a new HC who will agree to mentor Rob. That HC can bring his own assistants but Rob needs to be part of that team.

  • Comment 189, posted at 12.10.15 15:23:46 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 189) : Any idea for that Head Coach? I dont think Rob has been an assistant before so i wonder how he will be in the environment of not calling the shots himself. One thing the Sharks def need to do is get someone in to fix the players fitness and conditioning. I just also wonder how the players feel about their fellow players dad coaching? Im assuming the backline guys wont care…but the forwards?

  • Comment 190, posted at 12.10.15 15:32:26 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I agree somewhat with Sheldon. It was not all just coaching. We had the game in hand and relinquished control that kind of discipline and character is up to the player none of these guys bar April is new to this level of game regardless of coach

  • Comment 191, posted at 12.10.15 15:34:20 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 178) : “Before the World Cup Eddie Jones was having his ass handed to him as Japanese coach.”

    Please elaborate…

  • Comment 192, posted at 12.10.15 15:44:46 by Ben Reply
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  • Discussion seems to be heading to futility.

    Consensus: no one is particularly thrilled with Gold’s performance this season.

    Point of contention: Some are willing to give him more time while other aren’t.

    What I find interesting: Both sides provide some really good reasons for their side of the argument. No easy answers here, that’s for sure.

    Silver lining: None of use on here have decided to burn our Sharks jerseys yet.

  • Comment 193, posted at 12.10.15 15:51:42 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 192) : Japan’s performances prior to the World Cup were not great at all. They even got heavily embarrassed by a sub standard World XV. My point i was making is that even the most ideal coach will take his team through bad patches. Again i am not saying Gold has been good before people over react. All im saying is that no coach is perfect and if we think we will get the perfect coach that doesnt come with bad traits we are dreaming.

  • Comment 194, posted at 12.10.15 15:52:51 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 183) : Nope, try again.

  • Comment 195, posted at 12.10.15 15:53:57 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 193) : I agree with all except the last past. Apparently Gold is wiping his ass with Hound’s jersey so maybe should burn that 1 and get a new one. I hear the Shark Cage has some specials running

  • Comment 196, posted at 12.10.15 15:54:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 194) : Didn’t they beat Wales?

  • Comment 197, posted at 12.10.15 15:54:12 by Ben Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 193) : Might not be burning our shirts yet but I know a lot of people ,myself included who will not be renewing their season tickets if Gold is still there in whatever capacity.

  • Comment 198, posted at 12.10.15 15:55:30 by The hound Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 197) : They beat Wales during the British Lions tour to Oz if im not mistaken when i dont think it was even a Welsh 3rd string side. But fair play they did win that game.

  • Comment 199, posted at 12.10.15 15:55:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 186) : Wow you know what the nickname of the NOFS team is but yet the rest of your post indicates one of a very young age.

  • Comment 200, posted at 12.10.15 15:55:55 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 199) : When he took over as Japanese coach he said that he aims to get Japan into the top 10 in world rugby. I just checked the rankings. They are 10th. What was Gary Gold’s goal? To get us in the top 12 of Super Rugby and in the top 5 of the Currie Cup?

  • Comment 201, posted at 12.10.15 15:58:54 by Ben Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 188) : Gold is the easy target here, why dont you dig down into the real culprits in this saga and give them the same treatment.

  • Comment 202, posted at 12.10.15 15:59:51 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 198) : That’s fair though. A supporter should be allowed to vote with their feet without being accused of being fair-weather.

  • Comment 203, posted at 12.10.15 16:00:10 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 196) : Sheldon you talk a lot about what ifs but very little about what is,now compose yourself for ten seconds and give us one,just one reason why you are so enamoured with that 80′s porn star Gary Gold.One thing he has done to earn your blind respect.

  • Comment 204, posted at 12.10.15 16:02:00 by The hound Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 201) : My point was not comparing Gold and Jones’s results or abilities. Eddie Jones is a much better coach, no argument. My argument was that the point was made that we need a coach with a winning record and i was pointing out that even a guy like Eddie ones goes through a losing period and he is also not the most loyal guy. So be all means get rid of Gold, but no coach is perfect so bear that in kind with the next guy in. Thats assuming anyone actually wants to coach the Sharks

  • Comment 205, posted at 12.10.15 16:03:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 186) : If anything I hark back to the days of Plum but on the other hand one part of me is revelling at the mess that the firing of Plum has created with special thoughts of those good folks that bayed and bayed for his head.

  • Comment 206, posted at 12.10.15 16:03:21 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 201) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 207, posted at 12.10.15 16:03:35 by The hound Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 202) : Why don’t you?

  • Comment 208, posted at 12.10.15 16:04:21 by The hound Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 206) : you’ll enjoy the humbling piece I’m going to write later in the week, then. Since schadenfreude is clearly your thing.

  • Comment 209, posted at 12.10.15 16:05:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 191) : Yeah seriously, how squandering a 14 point advantage with minutes to go is the coaches fault baffles me.

  • Comment 210, posted at 12.10.15 16:05:31 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 206) : When ever I feel that way I remember Plum not only fielding a 40kg overweight Francois Steyn but making him the captain,he had lost it by then.

  • Comment 211, posted at 12.10.15 16:06:49 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 211) : The only Sharks captain with a 100% record….

  • Comment 212, posted at 12.10.15 16:08:41 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 204) : Gary Gold was appointed to be DOR and i feel he should be left to do that only for a year and then we can judge. Do i believe he should be coaching- no! But last time i drove past Kings park i ddnt exactly see the whos who of the coaching fraternity lined up to coach the Sharks. I know u want to castrate both coach and captain but i like to think a bit more reasonably. And if you want 1 reason- he has been a Bok assistant coach so just that alone should give him a bit more respect in terms of coaching ability. Again im not saying he is the world number 1 coach. But hey go wild, fire Gold, let the players keep surfing and drinking coffee, our juniors catching 50pts…the new hero will save us

  • Comment 213, posted at 12.10.15 16:09:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 206) : Absolutely agree, all those people who daily called for his head are “tjoep stil” now.

  • Comment 214, posted at 12.10.15 16:10:12 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 205) : I’m not saying that Gold is the ONLY person causing the problems we have now. But he is certainly part of the problem, so getting rid of him will already be a step in the right direction.

  • Comment 215, posted at 12.10.15 16:11:13 by Ben Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 213) : I am sorry GG should not be given another chance I dont care what he was appointed to do, he obviously has no back bone and obviously takes care of JS’s toe nails every night.
    GG and JS have done enough damage to the Sharks. Its time for a new overall and the sooner the better.

  • Comment 216, posted at 12.10.15 16:12:07 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 208) : I dont have the time, ask your scrummy contact to help you. I know it might not make happy researh for you as I recall how in awe of those guys you are.

  • Comment 217, posted at 12.10.15 16:12:19 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 215) : I don’t think GG will be able to get another high profile coaching job after the Sharks, and I think he knows this unless he turns the Sharks around, hence his commitment to want to carry on coaching next year.

  • Comment 218, posted at 12.10.15 16:13:54 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 209) : Its not really my thing at all (maybe I can make an exception in the case of the Plum detractors), hence my willingness to not climb into Gold, who has never been a favourite of mine.

  • Comment 219, posted at 12.10.15 16:16:03 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 215) : @Uli Boelie (Comment 216) : Fair enough get rid of the guy. And replace him with? If Gold is being held accountable then should we not hold those players that were poor accountable too? Or do they get a free pass cos Gold was there?

  • Comment 220, posted at 12.10.15 16:17:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • The irony when the most sanctimonious contributor on this forum says he wishes Plum was back :-) His cred goes straight out the window. Anyone who cannot see that it was the right time for Plum to go….

    However that in itself proves just how useless Gold is that people are now wishing we had Plum back (the guy just didn’t have that little extra) but those same people are content to give Gold “anudder chans”… bit of a weird self repeating cycle no?

  • Comment 221, posted at 12.10.15 16:17:52 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 215) : hear hear.

  • Comment 222, posted at 12.10.15 16:19:13 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 220) : “what if” “what if” “what if” I bet you think there is no evidence climate change exists. If we reduce carbon emissions “what if” livestock methane emissions continue unabated? Well, starting with carbon emission is not necessarily a bad place to start… it’s a start. Or should we just continue to churn the shit out (hoping this analogy may assist you because you appear stuck in fear of “what if”).

  • Comment 223, posted at 12.10.15 16:23:33 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 221) : Sanctimonous, cred. :cool:

  • Comment 224, posted at 12.10.15 16:23:38 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • The same people who want Gold to be given yet more chances were quick to call time on the one guy who could actually have achieved something – Jake White. What hypocrisy.

  • Comment 225, posted at 12.10.15 16:25:37 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 223) : So lets rather go with your approach- fire Gold today! Who is going to coach…who cares but lets fire Gold because Eddie Jones will leave the Stormers to come coach the Sharks. Your only contribution here is Gold Out. So i hope the Sharks do fire him cos then you will have absolutely no value to add here. So yes please lets fire Gold and you can carry on your merry way

  • Comment 226, posted at 12.10.15 16:26:47 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 226) : dont be scared, bro. Let the fear go.

  • Comment 227, posted at 12.10.15 16:28:19 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 221) : I wish he hadnt left, I wish he had come to the end of his contract as planned and that it was not necessary to treat him like a dog. Where we are now is well and truly intertwined with the event of his departure, which you clearly wished for – you just cant please some people.

  • Comment 228, posted at 12.10.15 16:28:29 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • The same people saying gee vir Gold anudder kans wanted Heyneke Meyer gone… what has Gold done to deserve such blind faith?

  • Comment 229, posted at 12.10.15 16:30:36 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 229) : Who do you want to coach the Sharks?

  • Comment 230, posted at 12.10.15 16:32:20 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 228) : it’s not like Plum was a fly by night dismissed prematurely without a proper chance. He was around for 4 years. He did was was expected. Won a couple of Currie Cups and made a few Super Rugby play offs. Can you blame those who wanted his replacement to maintain those (expected) foundations and go one step further by winning Super Rugby? It’s human nature to want to do better. Or do you secretly believe the Sharks are not capable of winning Super Rugby? Your Northern OFS comment has me doubting your actual ambition.

  • Comment 231, posted at 12.10.15 16:35:30 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 231) : Who do you want to replace Gold with?

  • Comment 232, posted at 12.10.15 16:41:33 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 231) : Plum was fired for what? bloody disgusting the way he was treated. I bring up NOFS because you rant on as if the Sharks are and always were this SA rugby powerhouse.

  • Comment 233, posted at 12.10.15 16:46:50 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 190) : They must just grow up. And these are the same guys that could not close out a game where they lead by 14 points with 4 minutes left.

  • Comment 234, posted at 12.10.15 16:48:37 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 232) : I don’t buy the line that the Sharks have suddenly lost the ability to pull a top name coach. Our Super Rugby pedigree is far superior to the Stormers yet they have landed a prize catch. Who I want is immaterial. I could give you a list of 10 names. I am not employed by the union to scout and negotiate with coaches. I would however expect the union to be cognisant of Gold’s deficiencies and to be actively looking for a suitably qualified replacement. It concerns me that the only thing we have seen in the media recently is Gold saying he will coach the 2016 Super team. If the Sharks are not looking for a suitably qualified replacement then I’m afraid the current management lack all ambition or the union is in a financially parlous state.

  • Comment 235, posted at 12.10.15 16:50:24 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 220) : Finding someone better than Gold really can’t be that hard. And if we’re not capable of finding someone then John Smit should pack his shit and get out too. He’s the one that got us in this mess in the first place. Ridiculous buddy-buddy system!

  • Comment 236, posted at 12.10.15 16:50:51 by Ben Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 233) : no. They were not always, but they are now a South African powerhouse and have been since 1990. The union should start acting like it.

  • Comment 237, posted at 12.10.15 16:51:44 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • Correction: the union [and certain fans] should start acting like it.

  • Comment 238, posted at 12.10.15 16:53:27 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 236) : John Smit’s bloody circus at Kings Park (or Land Rover Park or what the hell ever they call it now).

  • Comment 239, posted at 12.10.15 16:53:33 by Ben Reply
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  • And no, Rob du Preez is not a suitably qualified candidate for Super Rugby head coach.

  • Comment 240, posted at 12.10.15 16:55:08 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 233) : So just because we came from shit means we are destined to return to shit. Seriously dude! :roll:

  • Comment 241, posted at 12.10.15 16:55:09 by Ben Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 220) : “If Gold is being held accountable then should we not hold those players that were poor accountable too?”

    I think we’ve all seen what the Lions and the Highlanders have done with “no name” teams. You don’t need the best players to succeed.

    If you owned a company and hired employees to work for you. Would you say it’s fair to hold them accountable for not doing their jobs properly if you never TAUGHT them how to do their jobs properly?

  • Comment 242, posted at 12.10.15 17:06:43 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 242) : good example but some seem too blind in their inexplicable defence of the used car salesman… save your breath.

  • Comment 243, posted at 12.10.15 17:11:05 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 243) : I love the Sharks far too much to ever accept this kind of mediocrity!

  • Comment 244, posted at 12.10.15 17:16:26 by Ben Reply
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  • Wow…this is exploding spectacularly! :lol: Good news for the traffic on the website…

  • Comment 245, posted at 12.10.15 18:08:18 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Holy hat…I don’t think I’ve ever been anywhere where there are quite so many people in one place who either don’t read comments properly or read them and then make something out of them that was neither meant nor said. I get that I’m part of that too, by the way. Maybe the accusations should be toned down a touch? Breath people…

  • Comment 246, posted at 12.10.15 18:09:21 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 233) : Agree with that 100%. Now management are reaping the fruits. When we were mighty we could treat people like shit bow were not so mighty and we can’t attract anything but shit….karma…you crazy broad!

  • Comment 247, posted at 12.10.15 18:23:47 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Who here is going to remember these posts when we do turn it around again? This too shall pass boys….always does.

  • Comment 248, posted at 12.10.15 18:25:10 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 248) : Rob I hope you archive these ones so you can take them out again one day when things are going well again. It’s like looking at pictures of yourself drunk….

  • Comment 249, posted at 12.10.15 18:27:09 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 246) : Let it be. People need to blow of some steam and we all do it in different ways. It’s a democracy, freedom of speech and all that. I stay in a country where you are not allowed to second guess anything that the king says. So, I enjoy my rights to voice my opinion on here.

  • Comment 250, posted at 12.10.15 18:27:20 by Ben Reply
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  • all I see is robust discussion… nothing wrong at all… relax…

  • Comment 251, posted at 12.10.15 18:35:25 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • Did you guys read John Smit ‘ s letter to the fans? http://m.news24.com/sport24/Rugby/CurrieCup/Smits-message-to-Sharks-fans-20151012

  • Comment 252, posted at 12.10.15 18:38:50 by coolfusion Reply

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  • A few points arise from the latest IRB rankings:

    1. Wales are ranked ahead of SA and therefore technically should start as clear favourites (yet somehow the world press are viewing Wales as underdogs making a mockery of the rankings…)

    2. SA and Wales given their present rankings of 4th and 5th respectively should be the most keenly contested of the quarters – and it also should come as no surprise if the Boks are beaten by Wales.

    3. 1 plays 7, 2 plays 9, 3 plays 6, 4 plays 5 – Australia have the easiest ride with a semi final against a NH team if they win through

  • Comment 253, posted at 12.10.15 18:40:07 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 249) : Then state your case, should Gold stay or go?

  • Comment 254, posted at 12.10.15 18:40:28 by Ben Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 252) : More bullshit Smit spin. I’m sick of bullshit Smit spin. The biggest issue for me is him suggesting “we move on”. Where is the accountability? Who’s head is on the chopping block? Some action must be taken or at least be seen to be taken. There is also nothing in there to suggest the union has any intention of hiring a competent head coach.

  • Comment 255, posted at 12.10.15 18:43:02 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • I would love to see a Boks v Ireland final.

  • Comment 256, posted at 12.10.15 18:46:40 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 252) : Obviously typed up by his secretary. Probably gave her something to do while he went out for a bike ride.

  • Comment 257, posted at 12.10.15 18:48:53 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 254) : On Gold I have a firm opinion Definitely go or at the least get out of the coaching role. I am also agreeing with Sheldon that the players on Saturday were responsible for their fate the last 15 minutes. It can be both. And lastly John Smit is still thinking he can buy us out of trouble with a good player signing isn’t that also cause for concern? Are we never going to build and attract brilliant youngsters again? Should we close the academy doors and spend that money on buying elsewhere?

  • Comment 258, posted at 12.10.15 18:49:53 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 256) : Have New Zealand and Australia ever met in a World Cup Final? It would be epic.

  • Comment 259, posted at 12.10.15 18:51:18 by Ben Reply
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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 255) : And the undertones that we have some great aquisitions in the pipeline. He is still hoping to hot the jackpot with the perfect buy and not recognizing the structural failures.

  • Comment 260, posted at 12.10.15 18:51:41 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 259) : I would bet Australia this year. But maybe all blacks have been holding back?

  • Comment 261, posted at 12.10.15 18:52:35 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 258) : We should get rid of Smit and get someone in that knows what they’re doing.

  • Comment 262, posted at 12.10.15 18:56:27 by Ben Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 261) : I would bet New Zealand. I can guarantee that it would be a great game to watch.

  • Comment 263, posted at 12.10.15 18:58:19 by Ben Reply
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  • Where’s Seth?

  • Comment 264, posted at 12.10.15 19:00:42 by Ben Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 218) : Japan needs a new coach now. Can someone please tell Gary Gold!

  • Comment 265, posted at 12.10.15 19:05:05 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 265) : yes please…

  • Comment 266, posted at 12.10.15 19:54:15 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 265) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 266) : if that happens I can see Japan having RWC 2019 stripped from them on the basis that they will become uncompetitive, like Belgium or Barbados. But shhhh don’t tell the Japanese that…

  • Comment 267, posted at 12.10.15 20:16:18 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 267) : but what do we do about our ceo and billionaire chairman ?

  • Comment 268, posted at 12.10.15 20:34:12 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 268) : FIFA need good, competent leaders right now.

  • Comment 269, posted at 12.10.15 21:02:48 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 269) : Ahaa….so we ship the billionaire chairman over to fifa, and Johny Smit can be appointed as ceo of ironman….

  • Comment 270, posted at 12.10.15 21:49:39 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 250) : I absolutely agree that people are allowed to vent and are allowed to express their opinion…no argument! However, in my humble opinion, it should be possible to do that while:
    a. Properly reading the statements of those who differ from you and making some attempt at understanding them.
    b. Minding the tone of your responses so that you don’t become quite so personal.
    Again, I get that I contribute to the above…but I do think that should be halfway possible…

  • Comment 271, posted at 12.10.15 21:59:22 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 251) : A bit of relaxation is all I’m asking… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 272, posted at 12.10.15 22:00:21 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 256) : Hey look…we agree on something…I’d love to see that too… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 273, posted at 12.10.15 22:02:03 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 260) : Or he is reading this thread and recognising that many fans want success tomorrow. He knows that the structural failures will take a while to fix…so his only option is to buy…

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 269) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 275, posted at 12.10.15 22:05:32 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 259) : no and they’re not going to in 2015 as either France or Bokke will eliminate All Backs.

  • Comment 276, posted at 12.10.15 22:48:21 by JD Reply
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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 253) : problem is World cup group draw is done way before the current rankings so will not be always possible to get 1vs8, 2vs7, ect like it should be in a perfect world also England not qualifying for play offs will make the whole draw look lopsided.

  • Comment 277, posted at 12.10.15 22:56:48 by JD Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 274) : Well if that is the case he must really focus on buying a hooker and 2 locks. We will have some flanker come supers but we have only Marco at lock. I really don’t want to face another season with Oosthuizen at lock. Thusfar the buying has been hit and miss some good ones but they are aging and some really terrible ones. Either he or his talent scout needs to be fired.

  • Comment 278, posted at 13.10.15 05:53:07 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 276) : I would like to think France can do it but they are too erratic. Boks I will only back to do that once I see them face some serious competition where they have to claw their way through only then will we know if they can do a full 80 against all blacks who have always been able to turn on the gas at 65 minutes left on the clock.

  • Comment 279, posted at 13.10.15 05:59:37 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 274) : Also I think there is a measure of risk management being applied to du Preez appointment. He could in all likelihood end up making all the decisions in supers and Gary only there so that in case he struggles fans and stakeholders don’t jump up and accuse management of appointing an inexperienced man in a senior position. If he does well on the other hand it would be easy for Gary to exit and hand over. I just hope Rob gets a very good team of assistants and by this I mean a more present consulting expert. Brendan needs to commit or resign. They must do everything in their power to help Rob succeed. Let’s see how well management can back a coach for a change.

  • Comment 280, posted at 13.10.15 06:12:27 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 242) : If u are at all the practices and can say for certain that Gold isnt teaching them then thats a valid point, if not you just making an accusation. Im not sure if you have ever coached but if you show a guy how to do something a number of times and he still doesnt execute in a game whose fault is that? Take the game on Sat- the Sharks played well to go 34-20 ahead…was that all coaching then and nothing to do with the players? And then when they crumbled and missed tackles…is it the coaching again? The Sharks have no tight 5 and cant defend. Bring in whoever you like to coach and unless those 2 thing change the results wont. WP realised that and bolstered their tight 5 and defense. Yes the Lons are doing well now, but dont forget those no name players go relegated into the wilderness from Super rugby as well…perspective is a wonderful thing sometimes

  • Comment 281, posted at 13.10.15 08:13:08 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 281) : Sheldon Gold, are you at all the practices? I guess not, so you are basically just making assumptions.

  • Comment 282, posted at 13.10.15 08:30:54 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 282) : No i am not at all the practices but i very highly doubt that a professional coach would just sit and drink coffee at practice and do nothing. But i know you and others believe otherwise which is your opinion so fair enough. I guess it must have been the players doing their own thing to score 34 pts and that bladdy coaching made them lose again.

  • Comment 283, posted at 13.10.15 08:37:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 241) : Seriously dude – Comprehend what is written.

  • Comment 284, posted at 13.10.15 08:43:38 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 284) : I wasn’t referring to that comment alone. Referring to all your comments leading up to it.

  • Comment 285, posted at 13.10.15 09:24:29 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 285) : Nothing in those comments mention that we were crap, even then. I loved those Sharks teams of the 80′s. Nothing in the comments mention that I want the Sharks to become a crap team / union.

  • Comment 286, posted at 13.10.15 09:30:55 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 283) : “I guess it must have been the players doing their own thing to score 34 pts and that bladdy coaching made them lose again.”

    Never mind. :roll:

  • Comment 287, posted at 13.10.15 09:31:30 by Ben Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 286) : Dude, 287 comments and now you’re forcing me to go back and look for your comments. :shock:

  • Comment 288, posted at 13.10.15 09:32:53 by Ben Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 286) : “Nothing in the comments mention that I want the Sharks to become a crap team / union.”

    Did I say this? Did I say you want that? Comprehend Salmo.

  • Comment 289, posted at 13.10.15 09:35:27 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 289) :
    “@Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 233) : So just because we came from shit means we are destined to return to shit. Seriously dude! :roll:

    Comment 241, posted at 12.10.15 16:55:09 by Ben Reply”

    Help to comprehend this then.

  • Comment 290, posted at 13.10.15 09:44:35 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 288) : You are young and energetic – :mrgreen:

  • Comment 291, posted at 13.10.15 09:48:01 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Has du Preez actually been appointed at the Sharks in an assistant (any) position, or is this just still a rumour doing the rounds?

  • Comment 292, posted at 13.10.15 09:56:21 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 292) : still rumour

  • Comment 293, posted at 13.10.15 10:09:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 292) : @robdylan (Comment 293) : He has confirmed that he is leaving the Leopards and all but confirmed that he is on his way to the Sharks.

  • Comment 294, posted at 13.10.15 10:13:17 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 293) : Any more rumours about players? Especially those that wear numbers 1-5?

  • Comment 295, posted at 13.10.15 10:15:14 by SheldonK Reply

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  • John needs to get the coaching structures for next year Super(whatever) sorted now – so that these guys can start planning and hit the ground running ASAP.

    I personally would love someone to teach some of our back line players how to pass, catch and run onto the ball.

  • Comment 296, posted at 13.10.15 10:20:20 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 295) : WHo are all the guys returning late from Japan? JPP Pieterson, Marcel Coetzee, Ryan Kankowski, Jacques Potgieter…thats it right?

  • Comment 297, posted at 13.10.15 10:24:22 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 296) : Yes we can’t have a coach arriving when season has already started. In fact I would bravely suggest the new coaches be in by December and have a few friendlies and warm ups at least 5 before season starts.

  • Comment 298, posted at 13.10.15 10:26:36 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Rob – do you know what the Sharks schedule look like from now, i.e. when does the pre-season training start, etc?

  • Comment 299, posted at 13.10.15 10:29:08 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 298) : Remember all our Boks at the world cup will prob be given majority of nov/dec off so will only start again end of dec or maybe jan. I cant see us playing more than 2 friendlies before the start of the long comp. But definitely fitness and boosting our tight 5 should be key areas of concern if we want to compete

  • Comment 300, posted at 13.10.15 10:30:48 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 299) : they return for pre-season midway through November. That’s obviously just the Currie Cup squad. The Boks will come later (in reality, just Pat and Lwazi cos everyone else is going to bloody Japan)

  • Comment 301, posted at 13.10.15 10:51:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 301) : …and Beast

  • Comment 302, posted at 13.10.15 11:05:43 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 302) : oh yeah – him too

  • Comment 303, posted at 13.10.15 11:25:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 290) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 290) : It sounded like you were implying that just because we came from the B division, we are destined to return to it. And because we came from there it is okay for us to be mediocre again. Just seems like you are accepting mediocrity far too easily. Did I say you want mediocrity? No…

  • Comment 304, posted at 13.10.15 13:03:52 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 304) : I tried to get across that we have not alaways been this mega successful rugby union ala the Bulls and WP. We have walked a long road to get where we are, and that a sense of entitlement is misplaced.
    Who doesnt want to be the best? surely not anyone so why want mediocrity, no team will want that but sometimes it has to be done in order to take the next smaller step up.

  • Comment 305, posted at 13.10.15 13:17:02 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • To my mind our ancient history is irrelevant. Does Chelsea or Man City maintain an inferiority complex today because of their humble past? Of course not.

  • Comment 306, posted at 13.10.15 16:45:02 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 306) : Do you have an inferiority complex, you hide it well.

  • Comment 307, posted at 13.10.15 16:56:52 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 307) : resorting to personal jibes because your initial argument is so pathetically weak and nonsensical.

  • Comment 308, posted at 13.10.15 17:09:29 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • What argument?
    What personal jibes?
    :mrgreen:

  • Comment 309, posted at 14.10.15 09:08:25 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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