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Buy? Hold? Sell?


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 16 Oct 2015 at 13:13
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Those of you at all acquainted with the stock market will be familiar with the sort of short hand speak that analysts use when rating various commodities. In this global and professional game, rugby players also have value that can increase or decrease in line with their performances on the field, so I thought I’d do a bit of a Friday mash-up and see what my limited knowledge of financial analysis could mean for the Sharks’ Currie Cup squad.

Before we start, let’s set the scene a little. The Currie Cup, I’m afraid, ain’t what it used to be and while South Africa’s premier domestic competition once showcased the vary best talent available on the scene, it’s now been degraded to the sort of competition where only those who can’t get a gig with the Boks or a Japanese team are likely to be playing. In other words, it’s kind of a mix of up-and-coming youth with a smattering of seasoned journeymen and generally a pretty good place to go “shopping” if you’re trying to find some talent to round out your Super Rugby squad. Players, thus, would go into the Currie Cup aiming to impress and to increase their market value. At this level of the game, it’s perhaps not too hard to stand out if you’re a really top talent. The flip side is that if you fail to impress in even a weakened Currie Cup competition, well, your chances of Super Rugby stardom aren’t looking too good.

For my analysis, I’m only going to look at the players who actually got onto the field in the Currie Cup and will look at them from the perspective of an outsider, trying to make up his mind about what the player can add to his setup. “Buy”, is for a player that showed he is worth investing in; if he were not in my squad, I would definitely want to get him in. “Hold” means that he didn’t do enough to convince me either way, but assuming he was already around, I would not (yet) be actively looking to get rid of him. “Sell” is kind of self-explanatory. We gave it a bash, it didn’t work out, sorry. See you later. I’m trying to be as fair as I can in these ratings, while still being tough on players who have not performed this Currie Cup season. Some of my “hold” ratings will be influenced by what we’ve seen of the player before and also his perceived value to the squad going forward, even if, in pure Currie Cup terms, a “sell” would be more appropriate.

Thomas du Toit Buy Struggled at 3, but showed his class back at 1. Young and strong and full of potential
Gerhard Engelbrecht Hold Improved as he went, but clearly not the finished article. Keep for depth
Juan Schoeman Hold We didn’t see enough, but we need prop depth
Dale Chadwick Sell As the most experienced prop in the group, was disappointing
Lourens Adriaanse Hold Out injured for most of the campaign, but has to stay as the most senior tighthead
Monde Hadebe Sell Lacks physical presence, a must for a modern tight forward
Franco Marais Hold Didn’t kick on as expected, but has the best basics of the current group
Kyle Cooper Hold A rating based on past performance, since Currie Cup was disappointing
Dave McDuling Hold Wins a reprieve based on a shortage at lock and utility value
Etienne Oosthuizen Hold An up-and-down campaign, but a shortage of a genuine 4 means he must stay
Marco Wentzel Hold Over played in 2015, but his value in a young squad cannot be overstated
JC Astle Sell Battles with injury every campaign
Christiaan De Bruin Sell Tough to write off a youngster, but there was just nothing here to recommend further investment
Francois Kleinhans Buy Enhanced his reputation with every performance
Khaya Majola Hold Injury was cruel, but he has clear potential
Jean-Luc du Preez Buy Impressive debut season. This kid has the goods
Dan du Preez Buy Would love to see Dan play 80 minutes of every match
Philip van der Walt Buy The most consistent performer over 10 weeks. Defence a key factor
Jean Deysel Sell It’s been a great ride, but Jean appears to have passed his sell-by date
Cobus Reinach Hold Moments of magic, but needs consitency in applying the basics
Michael Claassens Buy Class is permanent and he has it
Stefan Ungerer Hold Based on prior perforamnce. He cannot be as bad as looked this campaign
Joe Pietersen Buy Calm and experience, a rare commodity in 2015
Lionel Cronje Sell Current valuation agrees with prior performance
Heimar Williams Hold Running out of time to deliver a return, but shows some touches
Andre Esterhuizen Buy Has something special, now to unlock it
Paul Jordaan Hold Maddeningly inconsistent, but bring X factor on occasion
Waylon Murray Sell Just nothing going on there, any more
S’bura Sithole Hold A lucky hold, based on what he’s done in the past
Wandi Mjekevu Sell This isn’t going to work out, I’m afraid
Odwa Ndungane Sell Some amazing years, but 2015 was not one of them and 2016 won’t be any better
Garth April Hold Another player with a bit of spark that should be nurtured
SP Marais Sell Never kicked on after a good debut season. Time to invest elsewhere 

A few others named in the Currie Cup squad, but not actually seen on the field, are harder to call:

Wiehan Hay Sell Ongoing injury problems
Hanco Venter Hold Ungerer’s woes mean he may have a future
Charlie Mayeza Hold We need better wingers, so keen to see what he can do
Alcino Izaacs Hold Surely must get an opportunity to play at some point
Tonderai Chavhanga Sell Has now retired


90 Comments

  • Great analysis. Only one I don’t agree with is Odwa. Had a tough year, but his experience is great to have. Should maybe look to use him more off the field in coaching/mentor capacity.

  • Comment 1, posted at 16.10.15 13:26:54 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • Interesting rob, I would hold on hadebe people keep saying he can’t scrum but there is no evidence on that, has come on at times and scrum improves. When it goes back its his fault when it goes forward nobody says anything. But I am biased I like the guy :mrgreen:

  • Comment 2, posted at 16.10.15 13:33:07 by Poisy Reply
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  • Agree with most and especially about Mkekevu, he looks big and strong and just never seems to do anything with it. When he left the Sharks originally I felt he burnt his bridges and was disappointing we let him come back. Hopefully we won’t see him during the Super rugby season.

    As for Deysel, I am so disappointing with him, but I’d give him one more chance. I just hope he can put in one of his good runs and bump a few defenders before he leaves us or we let him go.

    As for SP, I know most here would love to see the back of him, but I always feel he does well on the wing and would keep him in that capacity only. I’d rather see SP on the wing and Mvovo at fullback than the other way round.

  • Comment 3, posted at 16.10.15 13:35:08 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Dragnipur (Comment 1) : please don’t say that, he has no coaching experience as far as I know, look at E.fynn and what hs done at sharks academy, look at butch and recruiting we can’t keep giving ex players jobs they are not qualified for

  • Comment 4, posted at 16.10.15 13:36:00 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Dragnipur (Comment 1) : Not every guy who plays past their sell by date will make a good coach. He needs to retire, his time has passed, while ago.

    Just look at that list, so few names put their hand up as players you’d have in a top side, we settle for middle tier players far to often. To be the best you need the best players and coaches, we have neither and it is showing.

  • Comment 5, posted at 16.10.15 13:46:58 by Seth101 Reply
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  • I don’t expect everyone to agree with every call I’ve made here…. hence looking forward to some lively debate.

  • Comment 6, posted at 16.10.15 13:48:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 2) : Agree..My only concern is the low number of buys. Shows that we have a very average team and can’t hope to compete if our coach is also average. Great analysis. Monde is one to invest in.

  • Comment 7, posted at 16.10.15 13:59:50 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 6) : Interesting piece – I wonder if Hay’s worth persevering with. Big guy – worth getting him fit and seeing what he can do?

  • Comment 8, posted at 16.10.15 14:08:38 by JR Reply

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  • Fun piece!

    I don’t know why but I feel it may just be to early to make the call on Christiaan De Bruin. I don’t think we’d risk much by holding on to him for one additional campaign.

    I don’t recall ever seeing a bad game from Heimar in the 13 jersey (but admittedly my memory isn’t that great and maybe there weren’t very many). He doesn’t bring raw speed to that position but he does bring something, and is more consistent compared to Jordaan. I can live with an outside centre not being an out and out speed merchant if they have some fancy footwork and distribution skills and solid defense. I reckon gameplans can accommodate different types of 13′s.

    I’d hang on to Monde too. Just another hunch.

  • Comment 9, posted at 16.10.15 14:11:33 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @JR (Comment 8) : we have tried for about the last 2 seasons to get Hey into some sort of shape and it never works. Time for a different conditioning team to have a go with him?

    I was impressed with his 40 minutes of Currie cup rugby to date. But that’s all he’s managed to play.

  • Comment 10, posted at 16.10.15 14:24:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • Seems Monde is a guy that many here want to invest more time in. I don’t have a major issue with that, I guess. He is a lovely guy (hell, just about all of them are lovely guys) so don’t think I’ve given anyone a sell rating based on a personal dislike. Well, there is the one guy….

  • Comment 11, posted at 16.10.15 14:25:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 11) :

    If I’m going to let a hooker go it’s going to be Kyle. He has been hugely disappointing this whole year. However, based on what I know both these guys can do, I feel like both of them could turn it around next year and if they do, they both can still be valuable to us in future. Both still young, especially for hookers.

    Perhaps the sell is more to look at buying something better in the same position. After a season like this I don’t think many of us have faith that these hookers will become word class. A sell gives you opportunity to look elsewhere for a player that might have more potential.

    Btw, love the idea of this article.

  • Comment 12, posted at 16.10.15 14:36:23 by Letgo Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 11) : What’s your opinion on Chadwick? He seemed to develop really nicely at LH at a stage. Is it a problem of inconsistency?

    Big call on Deysel by the way but I can’t say I disagree.

  • Comment 13, posted at 16.10.15 14:46:12 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Interesting article, was fun to read!Can’t really say I disagree with any of the calls made on the players, but I do hope we get to see more of the fringe players next year as well. It is still very concerning that the only 5 in this list is Wentzel and our stock at 2 is quite low as well. I’ll definitely give Cooper another chance, there is no possible way he can have another season as bad as this one (I hope). He has proven previously that he is a good player, just need to get that confidence back!
    Still wondering, are there any rumours going around of new players we are trying to sign?

  • Comment 14, posted at 16.10.15 14:56:42 by HeinF Reply

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  • i see guys want to give Hadebe more chances, based on what im not sure- he has been average in the system for years now. Adriaanse has also showed nothing since he arrived and is very injury prone. Chadwick has been nothing more than average for last couple years and has technical issues at scrum time. Lewies also a good player but very injury prone of late. Deysel injury prone and hasnt put in a good performance in over a year. Wentzel/Oosthuizen not good enough for first choice side, only as cover if injuries. Havnt seen enough of McDuling or De Bruin. Astle adds no value. Cooper has had a horrible year but he has been good in the past so would keep him. I think we need to invest in 2 or 3 props and another 2 locks.

  • Comment 15, posted at 16.10.15 15:00:33 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I personally think the coaching staff needs to tell our hookers to use the off-season to sort out their lineout throwing. Then ship the ones who don’t show a decent improvement.

    It is shocking that Craig Burden while at the Sharks always struggled to find his jumpers, and in one season at Toulon suddenly changed from a dynamic player with set-piece problems to a world class hooker.

  • Comment 16, posted at 16.10.15 15:04:36 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Completely absurd premise for an article; next time rather replace Buy/Hold/Sell with Devil’s Peak IPA/Darling Brewery Slow Beer/SAB Product. I mean, who can relate to the stock market!? But beer, now we’re talking… :mrgreen:

    Nice one, boss! Only 7 “Buys” out of a possible 38; not awfully confidence inspiring, sadly.

  • Comment 17, posted at 16.10.15 15:07:26 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Agree with most of your call Rob except would hold both Odwa and SP, yes they have been erratic at times, but their experience will proof worth it as back up I believe.

  • Comment 18, posted at 16.10.15 15:10:36 by stevovo Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 16) : Hookers in SA more worried about stealing balls at rucks and running with the ball than scrumming and lineouts which is the focus in europe

  • Comment 19, posted at 16.10.15 15:22:19 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Hold Odwa just one more year. The rest I agree with. Wish we could let oosthuizen go but there is no one else yet. By the way what do you do when you sell? Is there a follow up with possibly aquire (realistic) of some players currently or possibly avail?

  • Comment 20, posted at 16.10.15 15:37:53 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 4) : That’s why I said coach/mentor. Don’t make him backline coach, but his experience and damn good work ethic would make him pretty valuable as a back three advisor regarding fitness, taking the high ball, game awareness etc. I’m pretty sure he’ll have loads to offer the young guys regarding the intricacies of back 3 play.

  • Comment 21, posted at 16.10.15 15:46:28 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 2) : For me Hadebe needs to grow some teeth in the tight-loose…I like my hookers filled with aggression (no pun intended :twisted: ).

  • Comment 22, posted at 16.10.15 15:48:57 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 6) : How many of these are based on rumours you’ve heard? (if you can’t reveal names, just a number will also do ;-) )

  • Comment 23, posted at 16.10.15 15:52:20 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 13) : What the heck happened to Deysel….

    He left the Sharks for Japan, proclaiming that he is leaving under duress….John Smit brings him back, and his attitude has screamed that he longs for sumo wrestlers and sushi – really disappointed in him.

  • Comment 24, posted at 16.10.15 15:56:20 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 12) : I would think kyle is first choice for super rugby

  • Comment 25, posted at 16.10.15 16:03:53 by Poisy Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 23) : none. This is purely my own analysis.

  • Comment 26, posted at 16.10.15 16:12:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 24) : Deysel has a close family member battling serious illness. I genuinely admire the Sharks’ compassion in sticking with him and if it were my call, I would definitely not cut him loose.

    This article was purely on “the rugby”, though. I didn’t take that factor into account.

  • Comment 27, posted at 16.10.15 16:13:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 22) : I didn’t see any of our hookers excel in that so why does he get blamed for it? Hadebe needed to work on throwing but marias had the same problem nobody here blamed him it was somehow the coaching staff fault our hookers suck at throwing in.

  • Comment 28, posted at 16.10.15 16:17:38 by Poisy Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 22) : what I’m trying to say is more often than not people knitpick at hadebe and marias gets a free pass

  • Comment 29, posted at 16.10.15 16:19:20 by Poisy Reply
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  • to answer a question above, in th case where a player has been rated “SELL”, I guess we would need to replace. In some cases, though, the replacement might already be contracted to us, because I only looked at the Currie Cup squad.

    Here are all the other players that we should have available for Super Rugby in addition to the above names:

    Beast Mtawarira
    Coenie Oosthuizen
    Stephan Lewies
    Giant Mtayanda
    Jacques Potgieter
    Marcell Coetzee
    Renaldo Bothma
    Tera Mtembu
    Pat Lambie
    Lwazi Mvovo
    JP Pietersen
    Willie le Roux
    Jaco van Tonder

  • Comment 30, posted at 16.10.15 16:19:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) : you look at the resulting list of loose forwards and you just cannot afford to be “soft” on Deysel.

    Unless we ask him to captain the Currie Cup qualifying team

  • Comment 31, posted at 16.10.15 16:21:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) : Kankowski?

  • Comment 32, posted at 16.10.15 16:23:08 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 28) : sorry, but you’re wrong. Franco’s lineout work is considerably better than Monde’s and his scrumming appears stronger too (although that is harder to gauge)

    If I had to rate them it would be as follows:
    Lineouts:
    Franco
    Monde
    Kyle

    Scrums:
    Kyle
    Franco
    Monde

    Loose play:
    Monde
    Kyle
    Franco

    Tight loose:
    Kyle
    Franco
    Monde

    Breakdown:
    Kyle
    Monde
    Franco

  • Comment 33, posted at 16.10.15 16:23:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 32) : five rings.

  • Comment 34, posted at 16.10.15 16:24:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 33) : I’m not talking about the begning of currie cup, by the end of it they were equal with line out throws. Loose play I’d say kyle is better than monde . Breakdown monde and franco are equal

  • Comment 35, posted at 16.10.15 16:28:29 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 35) : specifics aside, can we agree that none of the 3 hookers really had a standout campaign and that ALL of them have major work to do in order to be considered a safe bet for Super Rugby?

  • Comment 36, posted at 16.10.15 16:29:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) : agreed

  • Comment 37, posted at 16.10.15 16:31:11 by Poisy Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) : Rob, see I agree whole heartedly with you here, we are not only recruiting the wrong players at times, we also love hanging onto old wood,

    I am one of Deysel’s biggest fans out there, I have to agree that he needs to up his game or move on, and the same with others mentioned. The Sharks need to find top players where possible, and specifically like Locks etc.

    As for Franco Marais? I am a huge Cooper fan but if one is honest? Marais by far our best all-round and consistent Hooker.

  • Comment 38, posted at 16.10.15 16:43:12 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) : of the hookers Kyle disappointed me the most as he had a real chance to perform with BdP gone and he did nothing. Almost seams as if he like playing in his shadow!!!!!
    For me the one that’s the closest to Super rugby level is Franco.
    For me it’s a no brainer Sharks must spend money and buy a quality hooker, only problem is who?!?!?!

  • Comment 39, posted at 16.10.15 16:44:28 by JD Reply
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  • I am afraid those at the Sharks that are glad Jannie and Bissy are gone are in for a rude awakeing, you cannot just replace that class, Ditto Steyn and Alberts.

    And of course the unspoken one?? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 40, posted at 16.10.15 16:44:40 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 38) : except when last did you see Franco actually take the ball, dominate in contact and actually set up some go forward? Honestly? I also like him, but he’s nowhere near as physical as I want a hooker to be.

  • Comment 41, posted at 16.10.15 16:45:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 41) : True, I was just glad we had a hooker scrumming well, but mostly finding his jumpers, but you are right re his loose play.

  • Comment 42, posted at 16.10.15 16:46:57 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) : did JPP extend his contract? If so I really hope he keeps his current form as this is the best he looked in years!!!!

  • Comment 43, posted at 16.10.15 16:47:07 by JD Reply
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  • Cooper has so much potential, but since he got married he has lost it :lol:

  • Comment 44, posted at 16.10.15 16:47:43 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 41) : Hookers aside boet, Lock stays a very concerning position for me,

  • Comment 45, posted at 16.10.15 16:49:36 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 40) : the really biggest loss is Bissy with Jannie and the unspoken one in a close race for second and third!!!!!

  • Comment 46, posted at 16.10.15 16:50:55 by JD Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 45) : I don’t even want to talk about locks – that’s how worried I am.

  • Comment 47, posted at 16.10.15 16:51:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 45) : 2 to 5 will be a big problem for the Sharks as almost non of the current squad really fills me with excitement!!!!

  • Comment 48, posted at 16.10.15 16:53:15 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 47) : Me too boet, we have way too many players that are not 1st tier players,

    I will make a comparison which may be a tad unfair on the bloke but this is what I see.

    I am not anti Heimer, but can we really say when he got chances he set the world alight??

    Now take the Vorster kid at 13 for the Lions, he had everyone raving about him.

    Some players just do not seem to be able to lift to that next level, thus the dead wood you suggest we sell. I agree.

  • Comment 49, posted at 16.10.15 16:55:54 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 48) : I agree, this is why I have a wish list which I know will not happen, Imagine a Lood De Jager joining us, with a Jenkins from the Bulls?? Both over 2.05m tall.

    The add to that Burden for Hooker?

    A man can but dream…..

  • Comment 50, posted at 16.10.15 16:58:40 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 44) : Hookers always do their jobs better when unmarried.

  • Comment 51, posted at 16.10.15 17:00:12 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Add to that a quality 10 to cover for Pat and we ok.

  • Comment 52, posted at 16.10.15 17:00:22 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 51) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 53, posted at 16.10.15 17:00:43 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • My other thing is people, the lack of discipline is clearly showing, as much as GG says there is great spirit??? EK se KAK, all you have to do is watch any Sharks match and you see them playing as individuals, the passion for the jersey is lost.

    Players need a BOSS, at the moment it seems to be aa free for all.

  • Comment 54, posted at 16.10.15 17:03:21 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 47) : No news yet re coaching staff? :???:

  • Comment 55, posted at 16.10.15 17:05:18 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 55) : nothing concrete. Interesting Roomerz as always

  • Comment 56, posted at 16.10.15 17:20:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • Please share those rumours :wink:

  • Comment 57, posted at 16.10.15 17:22:13 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 57) : I’m too influential to share rumours.

  • Comment 58, posted at 16.10.15 17:25:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 57) : :mrgreen:

    @robdylan (Comment 56) : Eish I hope they are waking up, or like I said yesterday, we will cry right through 2016.

  • Comment 59, posted at 16.10.15 17:25:38 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Need some news to maul over. Things are too quiet for this time of the year, you know.

  • Comment 60, posted at 16.10.15 17:30:55 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 31) : You recall just a while back we spoke of class. I believe Jean has this. Sure there us circumstance but this is one of those cases where nurturing will help him through and we will still have a good product. It may not be wise to use him a premier level but he needs to be used somewhere till he can find himself.

  • Comment 61, posted at 16.10.15 18:14:56 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 61) : yes, I’d agree with that.

    And you are right. He is a top, top guy.

  • Comment 62, posted at 16.10.15 18:27:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 28) : It’s Marais first season withthe Sharks (unless I missed something), whereas Monde has had a few already….but as I said, for me Monde lacks an imposing presence, lineouts and scrumaging can be coached, attitude is a different story.

    Makes me think of Chadwick, also lacks that imposing attitude that you need from your forwards, whereas du Toit brings plenty of that without playing dirty.

    Same goes for 4 lock, Johan Ackerman brought plenty of presence, whereas none of our locks has any presence whatsoever.

    I’m probably rambling on a bit here, but that’s the one thing Cheika brought to the Wallabies is an imposing presence from their forwards….they’re angry, aggresive and makes you earn every cm you gain.

    Come to think of it, very few of our current crop of forwards brings this attitude barring du Preez x 2, Kleinhans, du Toit and probably vd Walt (to a lesser extent). Esterhuizen and Sithole gets special mention, as they’re backline players with imposing attitude.

  • Comment 63, posted at 16.10.15 18:37:52 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 27) : Forgot about that.

    Very decent of the Sharks to stick with him through this time, and hopefully this kind of loyalty shown by the Sharks toward their players will also breed loyalty from the players toward the Sharks.

    Purge the PSdT’s and instill and attract players with a Thoma du Toit character (and integrity).

  • Comment 64, posted at 16.10.15 18:50:53 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 63) : I hear what you saying about franco first season but if we being fair that was mondes first season with senior side aswell. My point is people are being extra hard on monde when franco was just as average but there’s very lil crutisism of him on this site.

  • Comment 65, posted at 16.10.15 18:55:26 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 65) : Personally I liked what I saw from Marais in the tight-loose exchanges (at times….he also had quite a few dead moments too – but there’s hope), I haven’t seen any of that from Monde….pretty much the same as Cooper this season, just completely soft.

    When we look at guys like Bismarck and Burden, they just had that attitude that told the opposition to watch-out.

    None of our current hookers have shown much attitude, but of the lot I feel Marais had the least rubbish season…but he either needs to kick-on or we need to go shopping.

    I want to see more from a hooker than just lineout throwing and scrumming…only player that gets away with simply doing his primary job is the tight head…. :twisted:

  • Comment 66, posted at 16.10.15 19:20:30 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 66) : okay fair enough

  • Comment 67, posted at 16.10.15 19:24:26 by Poisy Reply
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  • Forget hooker … by far our weakest issue is no4 lock. What id give for the sharks to sign Lood dejager. We havent gad a class no4 lock in 4 or 5 seasons.

  • Comment 68, posted at 16.10.15 22:21:13 by byron Reply

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  • Looking at Dobson last night losing his mind in the coaches box, you just know he was begging his players to throw the game in order to avoid another drubbing at the hands of the Lions….but they didn’t listen. :twisted:

  • Comment 69, posted at 17.10.15 05:57:59 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Where is everyone?

  • Comment 70, posted at 17.10.15 12:48:37 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 70) : I’m here

  • Comment 71, posted at 17.10.15 12:54:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 71) : no new articles today?

  • Comment 72, posted at 17.10.15 13:09:59 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 72) : it’s Saturday boss – can I have a weekend?

  • Comment 73, posted at 17.10.15 13:16:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 73) : only becoz it was your b.day this week :mrgreen:

  • Comment 74, posted at 17.10.15 13:20:42 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 74) : you’re too kind :)

  • Comment 75, posted at 17.10.15 13:42:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 75) : any news on the u/21′s?

  • Comment 76, posted at 17.10.15 14:21:03 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 76) : 20 minutes to play, Cheetahs currently lead 20-16

  • Comment 77, posted at 17.10.15 14:25:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 77) : thanks sir….Sharks really need a positive result here.

  • Comment 78, posted at 17.10.15 14:30:16 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Cronje seem to be cracking under the pressure of expectation for the Lions….most Lions for that matter.

  • Comment 79, posted at 17.10.15 14:45:07 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 77) : any news on the result of the under 21′s?!

  • Comment 80, posted at 17.10.15 15:04:13 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 77) : @JD (Comment 80) : longest 20mins. ever :twisted:

  • Comment 81, posted at 17.10.15 15:30:18 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • 27-22

  • Comment 82, posted at 17.10.15 16:03:03 by JR Reply

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  • @JR (Comment 82) : I take it we lost….so that rounds off the year with another dissapointing result…..oh well.

    Go Bokke!

  • Comment 83, posted at 17.10.15 16:07:33 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 83) : I didn’t see Thomas du Toit on the match report. Any idea if was injured or what the reason is, why he didn’t play?

  • Comment 84, posted at 18.10.15 12:33:14 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 84) : Haven’t a clue about anything in that game…hopefully we’ll get the postmortem on here tomorrow.

  • Comment 85, posted at 18.10.15 12:42:59 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 85) : Cool. Seems the 1st half was pretty even with the Sharks ahead, even with two yellow cards. Second half the Cheetahs pulled clear.

  • Comment 86, posted at 18.10.15 12:55:53 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 84) : Flu

  • Comment 87, posted at 18.10.15 13:34:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 87) : Ah thanks Rob. Pity, it would have been good to see him test the Cheetah props.

  • Comment 88, posted at 18.10.15 18:27:13 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 88) : congrats seems to be in order for your under 21′s good luck in the final!!!!!!

  • Comment 89, posted at 18.10.15 18:35:54 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 89) : Thanks bud. The Cheetahs vs. Lions game was epic, well until we got double yellowed :evil:

  • Comment 90, posted at 18.10.15 21:06:20 by KingCheetah Reply

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