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Du Preez, Mouneimne join Sharks coaching team


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 19 Oct 2015 at 14:41
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The Sharks have confirmed two new coaching appointments ahead of the 2016 season, with Leopards head coach Robert du Preez and former Edinburgh defence coach Omar Mouneimne starting in Durban in November.

Speaking of du Preez, who coached College Rovers before moving to Potchefstroom, Gary Gold told the Sharks website “We are immensely happy to confirm the appointment of Robert du Preez. It was an appointment that we thought long and hard about. We identified that we wanted to bring in a coach who fitted a particular profile, someone who was South African and someone that understands our unique culture and who also has a strong belief in a disciplined environment.

“We believe that Robert ticks every single box. The route that his coaching career has gone has been absolutely textbook in terms of the success he enjoyed at College Rovers, where he won 67 out of the 70 games he coached there, then with NWU-Pukke as well as the knowledge he has of unearthing the potential of young players coming through the ranks and obviously his recent success with the Leopards. He has certainly shown that there is a consistency to what he does.”

“Being a former Sharks player and having played here during the glory years of the nineties, Robert is passionate about Sharks rugby. He is the ideal candidate to assist our young players during this transitional phase to senior rugby. He has enjoyed great success in his coaching career so far and he will certainly be an asset to our coaching unit”.

Du Preez will serve as an assistant coach at Super Rugby level before taking sole control of the Currie Cup team later in the year.

Omar Mouneimne will come in as defence and breakdown coach. “Omar will bring a much needed edge that I have felt is needed to the Cell C Sharks defence and contact points”, said Gold of the latter appointment.



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  • “Seapking of du Preez, who coached College Rovers before moving to Nelspruit,”

    Think you mean Potch Boss ?

  • Comment 1, posted at 19.10.15 14:42:44 by Zibbie Reply
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  • Welcome, welcome!

  • Comment 2, posted at 19.10.15 14:43:35 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Happy days!! Now THIS I can live with.
    So he will be the CC coach and assistant in SR.. to whom? Can we assume it will be Gold?

  • Comment 3, posted at 19.10.15 14:45:37 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 1) : thanks. Man, my kop RAAS vandag

  • Comment 4, posted at 19.10.15 14:47:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • Good stuff! Let’s hope this defensive coach knows his business.

  • Comment 5, posted at 19.10.15 14:47:59 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • @Another Nick (Comment 3) : yes, Gary will be head coach for Super Rugby next year.

    I think that, while we are free to debate the pro’s and con’s of that situation, we need to accept that from a continuity point of view, it’s the only sensible call

  • Comment 6, posted at 19.10.15 14:48:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Dragnipur (Comment 5) : he’s rated. Certainly a guy who knows what he’s doing. Worked with Alan Solomons at the Kings in their Super Rugby campaign and then followed Solly to Edinburgh. Came back to the Kings, but not sure what happened then. Guess he stopped getting paid?

  • Comment 7, posted at 19.10.15 14:50:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : haha . i think after the RWC QF a lot of people will be not so lekker today .

    Please think of us Lions fans sitting in the corner with drool running down our faces :P

  • Comment 8, posted at 19.10.15 14:51:47 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 6) : Exactly, its the sensible thing to do. Du Preez is clearly fine with that and that tells me he is in for the long haul.

  • Comment 9, posted at 19.10.15 14:54:05 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Oh My, now considering that Rob won 67 out of 70 games for Rovers why the hell did we employ BMH?

  • Comment 10, posted at 19.10.15 14:54:06 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 6) : Good point. My only concern is weather GG actually WANTS to coach? Meaning hands on. He was appointed DOR, but failing to get a proper coach the Sharks kind of.. threw him to the Sharks (The pun). He didn’t sound to delighted when it was mentioned to him that he would be in charge of the CC team.. and look how well that ended.

  • Comment 11, posted at 19.10.15 14:54:27 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 6) : Ignoring the fact that he doesn’t/didn’t want to do the job?

  • Comment 12, posted at 19.10.15 14:54:39 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Fan-bleddie-tastic! I have a good feeling about this!

  • Comment 13, posted at 19.10.15 14:57:12 by jakkalas Reply

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  • I’m Glad we got RD, Omar can help too although his reputation for staying in one place is worse than Jake white

    (not that I want this to happen) Are we going to let go of some coaches as we have many many of them now. or will they find a productive spot fore very one ?

  • Comment 14, posted at 19.10.15 14:59:47 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : He was at the Pumas (the Nelspruit variety) after his second Kings stint. No idea for how long.

  • Comment 15, posted at 19.10.15 15:01:49 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 10) : good question. Except bear in mind that Brad won National Club Champs with Rovers.

  • Comment 16, posted at 19.10.15 15:02:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • Expert move.

    Now just get a High Performance manager in there and success will return swiftly.

  • Comment 17, posted at 19.10.15 15:03:35 by Morné Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 15) : Apologies, apparently Lyon and then the Pumas. The guy travels more than Jake White! :mrgreen:

    http://www.rugby365.com/article/65772-mouneimne-returns-to-sa-again

  • Comment 18, posted at 19.10.15 15:04:18 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Another Nick (Comment 11) : @Seth101 (Comment 12) : there was so much crap/confusing reporting at the time, I wouldn’t take too much of it seriously. The Sharks really did make a complete mess of the PR around all of this stuff.

    Gold is committed to making a success in Durban and I think that, for him, it means he needs to achieve results as head coach of the Super Rugby team before stepping into a back office role and handing over the reigns. It’s a brave position to take.

  • Comment 19, posted at 19.10.15 15:04:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 17) : Interestingly enough, Omar was appointed as High Performance Coordinator at the Pumas according to that link just posted.

  • Comment 20, posted at 19.10.15 15:05:22 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 19) : I can respect that. And, like you said, from a continuity point of view, this may just be what the Sharks need. Kudos for Gold for not bolting and taking all the criticism on the chin. Takes a brave man..

  • Comment 21, posted at 19.10.15 15:08:38 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 20) : So.. 2 vliee met 1 klap? ;-)

  • Comment 22, posted at 19.10.15 15:09:32 by Another Nick Reply

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  • Although I don’t know to much about Robert du Preez from the talk and little I know about this coaching career this can only be a good thing for the Sharks. I’ve been wanting the guys from the 90′s to be more involved with the union as they are the legends we all speak of who bled for the jersey and having one around couldn’t hurt. If you look at the way du Preez’s boys play he obviously has a passion for the Sharks and that has filtered down to his sons.

    My one question is wasn’t James Small attached to Robert and if so was he offered a role at the Sharks? If he is working well with Small why break them up?

  • Comment 23, posted at 19.10.15 15:09:49 by Hulk Reply

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  • Wonder if he can convince Rob jnr to come with him. We have no depth at 10/12.

  • Comment 24, posted at 19.10.15 15:11:31 by Letgo Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 20) :

    Would like to see someone exclusively appointed. One of the more important positions in any rugby organisation.

    Align all the structures and programmes within the union to ensure synergy and sustainability.

    Currently most unions have no safeguards in place to ensure they retain their IP (or the IP of folks they pay a lot of money to coach or run programmes) where every coaching or personnel departure is met with a ‘rebuilding’ phase.

    It is crucial to have a retention strategy in place for all things, not just players.

  • Comment 25, posted at 19.10.15 15:13:32 by Morné Reply
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  • BTW… I am pleased with this appointment. Think it’s the right move. He’s had success as coach wherever he coached. I’m looking forward to see what he can do and giving him 2.5 games to prove himself ;)

  • Comment 26, posted at 19.10.15 15:13:44 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 24) : Yes please!

  • Comment 27, posted at 19.10.15 15:14:44 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Hulk (Comment 23) :

    For what it is worth, which is not much I admit, I rate Robert as one of the best coaches in SA.

  • Comment 28, posted at 19.10.15 15:15:03 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 25) : Could you expand on the general differences in role and responsibility between a DoR and a High Performance Manager? I’m not really clear on that.

  • Comment 29, posted at 19.10.15 15:15:57 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 28) : Him and Ackers cut from the same cloth?

  • Comment 30, posted at 19.10.15 15:16:48 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 16) : Not sure about that, which year did brad win? I see they have won it twice , I was almost sure Robert was also a winner….

  • Comment 31, posted at 19.10.15 15:19:04 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • I think they both good appointments although i cant see Omar sticking around too long as is his nature but even if he can impart a little bit of knowledge it can help. Interesting that DuPreez is seen as CC coach and Super rugby assistant. With the rumours that CC will run concurrently with Super rugby next year i wonder how that will work? Also who will be the other super rugby assistants? Are they both getting the boot or just Everitt with Strudwick going back to coach the UKZN side?

  • Comment 32, posted at 19.10.15 15:24:54 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 29) :

    The structure I reckon works best in rugby is based on the following departments:

    You have your boss guy, call him DOR or Manager or whatever.

    Under him you need to keep it simple;

    1. Operations head
    2. High Performance head
    3. Technical head
    4. Medical head

    Your operations head oversees all operational functions, this will include team managers, educators (coaching pathways, qualifications), programme managers (development programmes/schools rugby, club rugby, academy), code managers (sevens/womens/fifteens) and basically all ‘admin’ staff

    Your High Performance head is in charge of everything that happens between the 4 white lines, across all levels from U15/16 to senior rugby. Works directly with all the coaches/players.

    Your technical guy is in charge of all systems and R&D (analysis, technology, GPS, systems etc, etc)

    Your medical guy, well the medical stuff, all conditioning coaches, programmes, doctors, physios, etc etc.

    Importantly, you need to distinguish between on-field operations (HP manager’s area) and off-field operations (operational manager). Technical and medical contribute to both in various capacities.

    The manager, or DOR, brings all 4 departments together and ensures they work towards the common goals and objectives.

    Hope that makes sense, not as complicated as it sounds.

  • Comment 33, posted at 19.10.15 15:25:49 by Morné Reply
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  • Fantastic news!!!!! :mrgreen: :lol: :o :razz:

  • Comment 34, posted at 19.10.15 15:26:02 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 28) : I agree with you. He promotes thinking amongst his players and encourages them to play what’s in front of them.

  • Comment 35, posted at 19.10.15 15:26:53 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : What happens to horak now that Omar is the defence coach?

  • Comment 36, posted at 19.10.15 15:27:56 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : Is nie dit RAAS elke dag hahahahaha

  • Comment 37, posted at 19.10.15 15:27:56 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 6) : ja let’s hope it goes better as he now probably have some assistant coaches of his choice, as for consistency of coaches it’s 100% correct decision!!!!!!

  • Comment 38, posted at 19.10.15 15:28:34 by JD Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 33) : Thanks, that certainly clears it up. I had the High Performance Manager and DoR roles confused (for quite some time apparently). Which unions in South Africa have gotten this structure right (or close to right) as far as you’re aware?

  • Comment 39, posted at 19.10.15 15:30:17 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 16) : @Uli Boelie (Comment 31) : If Brad did win the National Club Champs with Rovers he obviously has something to offer as a coach. But his time with the Sharks really didn’t show us this. Any ideas why that might have been? He was an assistant for the most part and was his vision not the same as the coach or is it a case of him not being ready for the next step in this coaching career yet? I’d be curious to hear some theories.

  • Comment 40, posted at 19.10.15 15:30:56 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 40) : Good questions.

    What is the generally accepted route for coaching in SA and why do the New Zealand coaches seem to be so good and so sought after around the world?

    There were 7 countries at the World Cup with NZ head coaches!!!

  • Comment 41, posted at 19.10.15 15:33:06 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Another Nick (Comment 30) :

    Disciplined, innovative, grafter and broad minded – never closed to opinions of others, will use it to challenge his own systems and belief’s.

    A coach players want to play for, and have no trouble bleeding for, because he works harder than any player and takes ultimate responsibility for his actions.

  • Comment 42, posted at 19.10.15 15:34:45 by Morné Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 39) :

    Lions & Bulls to a certain extent.

  • Comment 43, posted at 19.10.15 15:35:56 by Morné Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 36) : I guess Horak remains a part of the junior coaching team?

  • Comment 44, posted at 19.10.15 15:39:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 43) : Thanks for the answers. Do you think WP are getting there too or on the right path?

  • Comment 45, posted at 19.10.15 15:40:50 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 44) : Which is also good for them in terms of continuity, especially if we want to see that team achieve even more.

  • Comment 46, posted at 19.10.15 15:42:08 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 45) :

    WP has a lot of people in a lot of positions, not sure it is properly aligned though.

    But their challenge is numbers – they have a hell of a lot of players and systems to manage.

  • Comment 47, posted at 19.10.15 15:42:22 by Morné Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 45) :

    Gert is doing a great job though imo.

  • Comment 48, posted at 19.10.15 15:42:42 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 42) : Yes man! :razz: Perhaps.. just perhaps this Gold-du Preez partnership is a match made in heaven. Guess time will tell, but I really do believe in getting Rob is definitely a step in the right direction.

  • Comment 49, posted at 19.10.15 15:42:43 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 43) : Coincidentally, I actually know the High Performance manager of the Bulls personally. Me and Xander matriculated together. Top guy.

  • Comment 50, posted at 19.10.15 15:44:37 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 50) : Not according to Brendan Nel :grin: . He hardly ever has anything good to say about Xander.

  • Comment 51, posted at 19.10.15 15:46:54 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 51) : Brendan seldom has anything good to say about anyone.. Professionally, I have no opinion, but personally he is a great guy.

  • Comment 52, posted at 19.10.15 15:50:46 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 52) : ask your mate to send us a couple of 2m+ locks. Thanks

  • Comment 53, posted at 19.10.15 15:52:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 47) : Any truth in Ediie Jones’ contract only being for 1 season?

  • Comment 54, posted at 19.10.15 15:53:58 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • as “dooswees” ‘n kompetitiewe sport was, sou ou Baksteen ‘n groter trofeekabinet nodig gehad het…

  • Comment 55, posted at 19.10.15 15:54:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 54) : I think it’s only until someone offers him the England job

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  • @robdylan (Comment 53) : Lol! Will add to my Christmas wishlist. :lol:

  • Comment 57, posted at 19.10.15 15:56:10 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 55) : :lol: :lol: :lol: HAHAHAHAHA

  • Comment 58, posted at 19.10.15 15:56:58 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 39) : You and me both…then you have to ask yourself – why should the CEO have any rugby experience, as he seems to be responsible for the business end of things (I think :oops: ).

  • Comment 59, posted at 19.10.15 15:58:01 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 52) : Not true. Brendan has lots of nice things to say about Meyer :grin:

  • Comment 60, posted at 19.10.15 15:59:30 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Great news this.

    Now to patiently support the team through the inevitable teething period…but it is a huge positive that things are not just left to continue the way it had been.

    Coaches are being employed, and others have been redeployed with satisfactory success (think Horak)…others not so satisfactory – but things are at least being shuffled in order to find that ideal mix.

  • Comment 61, posted at 19.10.15 16:03:24 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 59) : I guess because the CEO can’t sit in the suite and ask the sponsors questions like “do you think they’re huddling together to gossip about me?” each time there’s a scrum :mrgreen: :twisted:

  • Comment 62, posted at 19.10.15 16:03:49 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 62) : heheh, makes sense :grin:

  • Comment 63, posted at 19.10.15 16:04:46 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • So Gary Gold is still there. And what about a backline coach? Surely Everitt has also show that he is not cut out for this. Our backs don’t even know how to catch and pass.

  • Comment 64, posted at 19.10.15 16:11:02 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 42) : hope you’re talking about RdP!!!!

  • Comment 65, posted at 19.10.15 16:13:14 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 44) : well he did very well with the under 21′s so keeping him there should be a no brainer!!!!

  • Comment 66, posted at 19.10.15 16:14:55 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 55) : ?!?!?!?! More info please!!!!!!

  • Comment 67, posted at 19.10.15 16:17:07 by JD Reply
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  • so gold is the SR coach, lets see what he can do.

    Makes sense actaully, Robert cant take over immediately in super rugby

  • Comment 68, posted at 19.10.15 16:33:25 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • Hmm guess I’m the only one that wants an experienced coach with international or top league succes, this business of hiring a coach and not letting them pick they assistants bothers me. They could be the greatest coaches in the world but if they don’t get along or trust each other it won’t work. I have zero faith in gary golds coaching and I wish if they really saw rdp as they coach they would bite the bullet and let him do things his way as full head coach for super rugby but I will wait till end of next year to judge

  • Comment 69, posted at 19.10.15 16:39:26 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 24) : Really hoping that he can convince him to come back!

  • Comment 70, posted at 19.10.15 16:54:29 by HeinF Reply

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  • Very pleased to have a coach with a history of success like rob du Preez coming to the Sharks.

    Not too sure how he is going to enjoy working under a head coach like Gary Gold who has failed miserably as a coach so far. Let’s hope it is Du Preez that calls the shots and Gary is more of a background figure who does the important stuff like tidying the change room and ordering sandwiches etc.

  • Comment 71, posted at 19.10.15 17:07:55 by jonnow Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 42) : That is very good to hear! Except for the obvious deficiencies in our gameplan this year, you got the feeling the players’ hearts weren’t always in it. Really hope that he builds a relationship of trust with the players and that the guys will start playing with a lot more pride again!

  • Comment 72, posted at 19.10.15 17:13:25 by HeinF Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 39) : Each organisation is different of course but I believe if roles are not clearly defined you are going drop the ball at some stage.

    Role of HP Manager is crucial imo. And this guy is not necessarily the best coach which is another thing I reckon many get wrong

  • Comment 73, posted at 19.10.15 17:13:46 by Morné Reply
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  • “someone that understands our unique culture and who also has a strong belief in a disciplined environment.”

    Contradicting yourself there, Gary. :roll:

  • Comment 74, posted at 19.10.15 17:21:58 by Ben Reply
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  • Welcome Rob! :cool:

  • Comment 75, posted at 19.10.15 17:23:26 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 74) : Wasn’t this the reason Jake White was removed and Gary Gold was instilled? Because the environment was too disciplined. :roll:

  • Comment 76, posted at 19.10.15 17:26:24 by Ben Reply
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  • Gary can do all the interviews and leave Rob to work with the players.

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  • @Ben (Comment 75) : You mean welcome back…?

  • Comment 78, posted at 19.10.15 18:20:27 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I just hope these two get stuck in long before the new season starts. We can’t afford the I’ll preparation of this year. We never quite caught up with that arrears…

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 79) : Ill not I’ll. ..Damn phone

  • Comment 80, posted at 19.10.15 18:22:17 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 68) : really now ,I thought we have already seen what GG can do or rather can’t do,so why leave him to do a repeat performance or rather no performance

  • Comment 81, posted at 19.10.15 20:07:48 by benji Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 69) : no you not mate and this just smacks of a recipe for one huge clueless mess

  • Comment 82, posted at 19.10.15 20:10:33 by benji Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 33) :

    Head coach works for HPM then?

    CEO; DOR, HPM, Head Coach, Assistants, Players.
    Sounds like way too many layers for me.

    RobD

    Has anyone asked or answered the most obvious question? What about his sons?

    The moment one of the boys stuff up in a game, the fans and the press are going to put him in a very difficult place. You guys should be all over this. I’m not even a Sharks fan and it worries me.

  • Comment 83, posted at 19.10.15 20:49:12 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 54) :

    No idea, wouldn’t surprise me.

    @HeinF (Comment 72) :

    He is the guy

    @fyndraai (Comment 83) :

    How? You have 4 individuals that manages the on-field and off-field matters of an entire organisation?

    The coach coaches, the CEO does the business side of affairs, the other guys makes sure the gears turn and protects the organisations intellectual capital.

    Really not that different from any other organisation.

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 49) :

    Not that it would have made a difference a month ago, but I reckon supporters were way too keen to get rid of Gary.

    I get that this is a result driven playground, but you have short term fixes and long term plans to ensure success – this guy had no time to implement either since he arrived.

    Blame whatever you want, but you need to give a guy a fair shot on making his mark and Gary never had his yet.

    He will be the hardest working individual in this union over the next 3 months, imo, getting Robert in is the first positive step and illustrates what can happen when you have time to evaluate and plan.

    I reckon you will see quite a bit of improvement in Super Rugby already next year – don’t expect to win it, but it won’t be a repeat of 2015.

  • Comment 85, posted at 19.10.15 21:08:55 by Morné Reply
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  • This is great news. I think RdP will be the perfect foil to Gold.

    I really think we need a guy who the players can relate to but completely respect – like Ackermann at the Lions.

  • Comment 86, posted at 19.10.15 21:24:46 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 84) :

    Perhaps personal bias. I’ve worked in places with few and many layers and the latter is a train-wreck.

    I believe the typical structure in the NFL is Owner > General manager > Head Coach. Sometimes, the owner takes a more active role and then it is, Owner > HC (with a GM taking care of admin stuff on the same layer as the HC).

    In NCAA Athletics, there is an “Athletics Director” who reports directly to the President (same position as Vice-Chancellor at UCT, I believe) and appoints all the many Head Coaches of all the different sports.

  • Comment 87, posted at 19.10.15 21:52:16 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 83) : if I know Rob, he is likely to be far harder on those boys than ANY fan could be. There will be no special treatment because that’s not the kind of man he is.

  • Comment 88, posted at 19.10.15 22:44:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 88) : to add to that, I’m just glad his kids are two of the most promising youngsters we’ve seen in many a year. Imagine if we got SP Marais’s dad as coach… :D

  • Comment 89, posted at 19.10.15 22:45:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • ok, so I’ll crack first. How the hell does one pronounce “Mouneimne”?

  • Comment 90, posted at 19.10.15 22:46:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 81) : not a big fan of gold, but he did show up for super rugby after pre season and he had a flawed cc team to work with, so has he had a fair chance, not not really.

    I’ve said it here before, give him a fair chance in SR 2016 if he burns out then let him go, we’ve had enough instability for awhile now. Lets not be so trigger happy

  • Comment 91, posted at 19.10.15 22:59:31 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 85) : spot on bro, would call myself a gold fan but really lets give people a fair chance to work as apposed to looking past all the factors that affect results and just hire and fire all the time

  • Comment 92, posted at 19.10.15 23:03:31 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 88) :

    I have no reason to doubt his integrity and I agree that the boys look very promising, but that won’t stop a host of fans and media from creating a sticky situation at the first opportunity.

    If I was in his place I would have stipulated a favorable contract release for my sons before taking the job. The appearance of a conflict of interest is more than enough to create difficulties for him and negative consequences for his sons and the Sharks.

  • Comment 93, posted at 20.10.15 01:43:08 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 85) : Never had enough time? Would everyone love to have you as a boss. He had more time than White and Brendan, and they were able to get results in a much shorter period. Anyway, think they must bring in Dick Muir to look after the backline. We also need a DOR since Mr Bronze is hell bent on being HC. No more Everitt please. He is also clueless.

  • Comment 94, posted at 20.10.15 05:46:45 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 94) : More time and less result.

  • Comment 95, posted at 20.10.15 07:07:50 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 88) : Got to agree Rob. I think it was last year when Robert said he didn’t want the twins playing Super Rugby as they were not ready. I think most people were thinking about giving them a shot at that point. Where I’m going with this is he obviously has high standards and I doubt very much that that would fall away now. I hear where Fyndraai is coming from but I think lets see how de Preez handles his boys before we ship some of the most promising talent out of our team. Maybe playing for their father will get the du Preez twins even more fire, wouldn’t that be exciting…

  • Comment 96, posted at 20.10.15 08:01:55 by Hulk Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 90) : This might help

    https://www.howtopronounce.com/mouneimne/

    (Although these pronunciations aren’t always accurate)

  • Comment 97, posted at 20.10.15 08:12:09 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 96) : If the twins were show ponies I would understand all this talk. All this talk implies they will get special treatment. They don’t have to get special treatment. They are there on merit. We also need centres. 13 being the most desperate position.

  • Comment 98, posted at 20.10.15 08:18:18 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 98) : At the risk of sounding like a brothel…. :mrgreen:

    We need Hookers and Locks.

  • Comment 99, posted at 20.10.15 08:26:09 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 93) : Fans and media will simply find something else to fixate on and criticise should the sons be released. Point being that sticky situations arise all the time anyway. My only true concern would be the mental well-being of the twins should they start reading media reports.

  • Comment 100, posted at 20.10.15 08:36:05 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 99) : Well played :grin:

  • Comment 101, posted at 20.10.15 08:37:06 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I doubt having Rob there would make a difference to the dupreez brothers. He has been involved in their careers since they started and has probably been driving them hard anyways. Also the work ethic they show means that they would work hard no matter if daddy said so or not.

  • Comment 102, posted at 20.10.15 08:38:46 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 90) : Its pronounced ‘Omar’ ;)

  • Comment 103, posted at 20.10.15 08:39:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 102) : Having been in an environment where a dad coaches his son i do fully understand the issue that guys are raising. It doesnt matter how good the kids are or how he treats them. The minute one has an off game and gets selected again there will be questions whether fair or not there will be. These guys are also young and i can bet you that there are others within the union that see themselves as good or better than the twins, rightly or wrongly and could feel that having their dad as coach gives them the benefit of selection. As one guy pointed out…the fact that there may be zero bias involved means nothing, its the perception that counts.

  • Comment 104, posted at 20.10.15 08:47:17 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 104) : True, and there there is also the risk of Robert being way to hard on them because he is their father which in turn could break their confidence and trust towards their father.

  • Comment 105, posted at 20.10.15 08:51:09 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 104) : @Uli Boelie (Comment 105) : Both valid points and yet I want to keep the whole lot at the Sharks and lure Rob junior back. That’s right, I want to collect the complete set. :smile:

  • Comment 106, posted at 20.10.15 08:55:19 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 87) :

    Doesn’t get much flatter than this.

    GM/DOR manages 4 operational departments, all report to him. He reports to CEO.

    Senior Elite head coach reports to CEO – age group and lower level coaches reports to HP Manager.

    HP manager ensures vision and blueprint of senior elite side is imprinted to all lower level coaching groups right through to the U16 Grant Khomo side.

  • Comment 107, posted at 20.10.15 09:05:48 by Morné Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 106) : I do think there are def more positives than the 1 negative. But i think we would also be a bit naiive if we didnt recognise the potential conflict

  • Comment 108, posted at 20.10.15 09:08:13 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 94) :

    Came in when Super Rugby campaign already started.

    Missed full pre-season.

    No influence on player/coaches contracting.

    Started in a middle of a campaign which did not go well, I fail to see where he had any time to concentrate on strategic planning.

  • Comment 109, posted at 20.10.15 09:12:51 by Morné Reply
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  • The thing that must be borne in mind Robert is no junior.As a rugby player he preceded Putt and Reece Edwards,and they were given the head coaches job how many years ago.
    In fact he is a lot more senior than Gold will ever be.
    Gold I think has lucked out here again,got himself into the perfect position where Robert can do all the work and if its successful Gold shines[excuse the pun],but if it fails wasn’t me comes into play.
    We should ditch this passenger now,and stop all this talk about how he needs a second chance.
    What worries me most is there are guys on here who still think a lone 5th place in the under21′s,constitutes an acceptable season.

  • Comment 110, posted at 20.10.15 09:17:51 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 110) : This, I said from the start.

  • Comment 111, posted at 20.10.15 09:54:48 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 99) : What are the locks for? To prevent the hookers from joining the opposition?

  • Comment 112, posted at 20.10.15 09:55:54 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 112) : For preventing rowdy patrons from stealing our hookers. :twisted:

    (although, in the case of the Sharks – we need the hookers to prevent rowdy patrons from stealing our locks :lol: )

  • Comment 113, posted at 20.10.15 10:07:54 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • I am just so sick and tired of what is happening at the Sharks. How can we be happy that some idiot is still in charge because it is good for continuity? I want the Sharks back on top where they need to be. Getting Rob is a good step in the right direction, now get more of the ’90′s players involved. My dream coaching team (seeing as we can’t even buy a established proven coach) would be Rob as head coach, Jouba as Backline Coach, Teichmann as forwards coach, Van Den Berg as Lineout coach. Ai, a man can only dream.

  • Comment 114, posted at 20.10.15 10:08:25 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 110) : Reading Morné’s description of the DoR, then Gold should actually have very little to do with the actual coaching…however, it seems as though the Sharks are still clueless as to the proper deployment of their managing staff.

  • Comment 115, posted at 20.10.15 10:11:22 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 114) : Teichmann should be CEO, not forwards coach.

  • Comment 116, posted at 20.10.15 10:13:32 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 114) : I don’t think Jouba and Teich are even involved in the game anymore.

  • Comment 117, posted at 20.10.15 10:17:38 by war1 Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 117) : I remember during the dark days of the Putt era, they all offered their services and advice to the team. Hell I’m pretty sure they don’t even have to coach , but once a week go speak to the guys, just their presence would be a huge boost to the team.

  • Comment 118, posted at 20.10.15 10:21:16 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 118) : “services”? The only service they provided was convening a secret meeting with Dick Muir and Ian Mac, the result of which was the decision to knife Putt (also a fellow team mate) in the back.

    I’m not sure any of them did much other than that. Aside from offering opinions in the media, as they continue to do now.

  • Comment 119, posted at 20.10.15 10:27:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • So this is coach number? since Smitty took over

  • Comment 120, posted at 20.10.15 10:30:00 by stevovo Reply
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  • Albert van den Berg was involved with coaching the Sharks juniors at some point, wasn’t he?

  • Comment 121, posted at 20.10.15 10:30:16 by war1 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 119) : At the end of the day, no matter who is involved or not, I just can’t stand to see my team being this crap anymore.

  • Comment 122, posted at 20.10.15 10:33:17 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 121) : yes, he was assistant coach of the under 21 team that lost virtually every game last year #oops

  • Comment 123, posted at 20.10.15 10:57:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @stevovo (Comment 120) : heading into the low teens now, I think….

  • Comment 124, posted at 20.10.15 10:57:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 122) : yes, I agree. And trust me, if I thought that firing Gary Gold today would mean instant Super Rugby success in 2016, I’d call Smit and not get off the phone with him until I’d talked him into doing it :)

    But I do not think that, hence my phone stays in my pocket

  • Comment 125, posted at 20.10.15 10:58:19 by robdylan Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 110) : There is a political party / media house out there just waiting for someone like you to take other peoples thoughts, words and deeds and to twist them into whatever best suits their agenda. :twisted:

  • Comment 126, posted at 20.10.15 11:09:35 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 125) : Any news on the futures of both Everitt and Strudwick? And i just wonder if Mr Venter will come along and meddle as soon as the team wins a few games again. And yes i agree with you- the main thing the Sharks need is some stability in terms of admin, coaching and players…well as much as possible.

  • Comment 127, posted at 20.10.15 11:11:10 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 126) : Says the two faced man with his hand behind his back,.
    I don’t know if that is meant as an insult or a compliment but then I suspect neither do you

  • Comment 128, posted at 20.10.15 11:16:38 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 110) : I’m confused – the U21s didn’t come 5th and I can’t remember ever having read a post on this site which was delighted with the season. There is a difference between being happy with the results and seeing the potential of some of the younger players coming through – and believing that the last thing the Sharks need is another bout of major change.

  • Comment 129, posted at 20.10.15 11:26:34 by JR Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 128) : You do know that the avatar and the person hitting the keyboard are not the same thing dont you, hmmm maybe in your case that may be incorrect.

    Anyway my avatar was changed on the day a certain lock was announced as having signed for WP / Stormers, geddit?

  • Comment 130, posted at 20.10.15 11:40:58 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @JR (Comment 129) : so true, hence my post.

  • Comment 131, posted at 20.10.15 11:43:14 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 130) : Yes and the crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe,get it?

  • Comment 132, posted at 20.10.15 11:44:16 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 132) : I prefer my way but as I said, you should be writing fantasies for politicians. :twisted:

  • Comment 133, posted at 20.10.15 11:54:41 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 133) : The stuff I write is far more twisted and dishonest than that but then we all have to earn a crust.

  • Comment 134, posted at 20.10.15 12:05:59 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 134) : Ahh so your avatar does have relevance. Is there anywhere I can read your stuff?

  • Comment 135, posted at 20.10.15 12:10:31 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 127) : there’s no reason to suspect Everitt and Strudwick won’t continue in their current roles.

  • Comment 136, posted at 20.10.15 12:34:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 136) : Is that not too many guys then? Would have thought Strudwick may return to help the UKZN side and then him and Everitt take the Vodacom Cup( or whatever is happening with those comps) side?

  • Comment 137, posted at 20.10.15 12:51:30 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 125) : Ai, I guess you are right. I’m just so bleak about the Sharks at the moment. I can’t even joke anymore with my friends that support other teams as the team that I support is the joke :sad:

  • Comment 138, posted at 20.10.15 13:27:19 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 137) : Ja I too would like less cooks in the kitchen. Besides the juniors have been suffering neglect would be good to move some quality their way.

  • Comment 139, posted at 20.10.15 13:41:29 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 139) : the key thing here is continuity.

    We have yet to have two competitions in a row where the same guys play the same roles form a coaching point of view. We’ve got to start laying the groundwork here for people to be successful in the medium term and you can’t do that if you chop and change all the time.

    We know Paul Anthony is a better under 19 coach than this year’s junior results would suggest. On the other hand, Horak and Zondagh have done very well with the under 21s. We need continuity in both of those roles.

  • Comment 140, posted at 20.10.15 14:04:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné or @robdylan would you be willing to hazard a guess as to what the Sharks’ coaching/recruitment “organogram” looks like now after these developments? Could make for an interesting article.

    I’d be interested to see what it looked like before Smit’s appointment compared to what it looks like now, to see if we’ve filled some of the intellectual capital gaps that were created…

  • Comment 141, posted at 20.10.15 19:59:12 by MerckZ Reply

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  • @MerckZ (Comment 141) : Simple,it now looks like a 3 year olds nursery school drawing

  • Comment 142, posted at 20.10.15 22:58:14 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 142) : in other words, it shows about the same level of intelligence and maturity as your comment?

  • Comment 143, posted at 20.10.15 23:06:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 109) : What strategic planning are you on about? Are you referring to game plan? Something Plum could change in season i.e. 2012 SR! Something Plum could change after SR and use a different game plan come CC. These guys can’t even ruck. They can’t even play as a team and you blame that on a lack of time. PLEASE! He has had more than enough time to at least implement something. Ignore the results and look at the quality of play. Bash it up one off runners that easily get turned over. I was one of the guys that were defending GG until I looked at the facts. As I had said, Mitchell inherited a crap team and introduced a new game plan. Yes there was a lot of pain but there were gradual improvements in certain aspects of their game. What aspect of our game has improved under GG? Would even argue that the much punted “happy team” environment has taken pain.

  • Comment 144, posted at 21.10.15 06:23:11 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 136) : Everitt needs to be relieved of his duties with immediate effect. He is an under the radar under performing coach that is liked by players because he at least introduces backline line moves. Forgetting that these are moves he is copying from NZ teams, forgetting that backline play isn’t about copied moves but about space and opponent manipulation. #Everitt and Gold must fall.

  • Comment 145, posted at 21.10.15 06:33:24 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Different topic, has anyone else noticed that what Kriel brings at 13 is very similar to what Sithole brought in the same position. When Jake saw him as a future Springbok 13, was he far off?

  • Comment 146, posted at 21.10.15 06:39:17 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @benji (Comment 142) : As I recall it wasn’t that great before either, part of Jake White’s mandate was to sort it out. So we can’t blame it all on John or this current management.

  • Comment 147, posted at 21.10.15 08:07:15 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 146) : Hopefully Rob du Preez being a backline player will bring more direction to players like sithole and their positions. I must say I am also at a loss in this regard. We will play mjekevu there but not give sbura the time he needs to grow into center. Is it purely the size that gave Wandile the preference?

  • Comment 148, posted at 21.10.15 08:11:15 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Speaking of centers I wonder if Dan Kriel is still happy being a bench jockey at the bulls? There might be an opportunity there too.

  • Comment 149, posted at 21.10.15 08:14:11 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 148) : …but then we use Jordaan at 13…so it can’t be size.

  • Comment 150, posted at 21.10.15 08:14:41 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 150) : Ja …so I’m still at a loss

  • Comment 151, posted at 21.10.15 08:50:33 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 151) : Sometimes I wonder if the new management don’t want to be seen as copying Jake so they have ditched his ideas, ie Sithole at 13. I thought Sithole at 13 and Jordaan at 11/14 was a better combination than the other way round.

  • Comment 152, posted at 21.10.15 09:27:18 by Hulk Reply

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  • Just looking at the 23 we can put out next season: Starting:1. Beast 2. Marais 3. DuToit 4. Potgieter 5. Lewies 6. Coetzee 7. Dupreez 8. VD Walt 9. Reinach 10. Lambie 11. Mvovo 12. Esterhuizen 13. JP Pieterson 14. Sithole 15. Le Roux Bench: 16. Coenie Oosthuizen 17. Cooper 18. Adriaanse 19.DuPreez 20. Mthembu 21. Claasens 22. Pieterson 23. Jordaan

  • Comment 153, posted at 21.10.15 10:21:37 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 153) : Thats not a bad looking team.

    Hang on, have I not said this for the last couple of seasons!!

  • Comment 154, posted at 21.10.15 10:37:32 by stevovo Reply
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  • @stevovo (Comment 154) : I was wondering if anyone would ask me why that guy there…guess ill have to wait longer haha

  • Comment 155, posted at 21.10.15 10:48:10 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 144) :

    I will touch on a couple of factors that plays a direct role to on-field results:

    Tournament review/wash-up of last similar tournament – Super Rugby, July of the same year (team analysis, opposition analysis, medical assessments, player assessments, conditioning assessments, squad continuity, game analysis, systems analysis)

    Tournament preview/planning – Super Rugby, November of preceding year (squad medical & conditioning assessment, coaching resources, player depth analysis, off-season training programme, tournament schedule analysis and planning, opposition analysis and planning, systems review, coaching matrix, technical resource matrix, medical resource matrix)

    Tournament activation – Super Rugby, January of the tournament year (player medical/conditioning assessment, conditioning training, player depth analysis, squad selection, player management planning, pre-season training (maps, systems, starters), warm-up games.

    And then, you go play your first game…

    If I had time I would break every single aspect mentioned above down for you as-well but I am sure you will get the idea. If not, I respectfully excuse myself from this discussion.

    Point is, what you see on TV for 80 minutes is a result of months of planning and preparation. Once you start, it is about managing processes, not implementing them.

  • Comment 156, posted at 21.10.15 10:51:19 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 156) : Sharks supporters arent looking for logic and perspective. We want someone to pay and pay now.

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