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Omar to teach these dogs to fight?


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 20 Oct 2015 at 10:55
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“Behind every successful cerebral figure there lies a Rottweiler whose job it is to browbeat, badger or bully the footsoldiers into line. Ian McGeechan had Jim Telfer to wave the big stick, Gordon Brown employed Damian McBride as his enforcer and Alan Solomons has Omar Mouneimne to keep his Edinburgh side on their toes.” IAIN MORRISON, The Scotsman, 19 January 2014.

An interesting opening line to an article dredged up from the archives and one that sheds a little light on the character of (and role to be played by) new Sharks defence and breakdown coach Mouneimne. With a background in sports that includes several martial arts, as well as the introduction of the Ultimate Fighting Championship to South Africa, it’s pretty clear that this 40-year-old Zimbabwean is hard to the core – in fact, learning to pronounce his Lebanese last name is possibly the least hard thing about him!

While his recent past may, to some, appear a little chequered (with a number of job changes in the last few years) there’s very little doubt that he brings a hard edge and approach to defence and tackle-point aggression that border on the obsessive, to the teams he coaches. Repeat appointments to work with Alan Solomons at both the Kings and Edinburgh speak volumes, as well as his work with the Italian national team alongside none other than Nick Mallett. He is no stranger to Super Rugby either, having worked with the Stormers in 2010. Those who remember their Southern Hemisphere history will recall that the Cape side finished second on the log that year; more pertinent is a “points against” column reading just 171. With Mouneimne and Jacques Nienaber coaching collisions and defence, the Stormers conceded 116 fewer points in the competition than the second best team. 116…. just let that sink in a little.

For a Sharks team, in other words, that looks frankly clueless on defence (with a Technical Director who seems to float in and out of the picture without ever spending much time on the topic), I believe that appointing an obsessive pitbull like Omar Mouneimne is nothing short of a master stroke. Rugby is a simple game, after all and if you cannot prevent tries from being scored against you, you will lose more games than you will win, regardless of what happens at the other end. For a new look Sharks team trying desperately to forge some cohesion and perhaps even a new identity, I can think of no better place to start than by becoming obsessive about defence.

Omar Mouneimne eats, sleeps and breathes that obsession and I look forward to seeing just what he can make of this group of pups.



143 Comments

  • Seems like the perfect guy for us! Get the defence sorted!

  • Comment 1, posted at 20.10.15 10:59:04 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • A real tough, no bullshit kind of guy.. just what we need! Looking forward to seeing his influence next year. With our current defence in shambles, he will have his work cut out for him.

  • Comment 2, posted at 20.10.15 11:02:04 by Another Nick Reply

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  • Lets hope he sticks around.

  • Comment 3, posted at 20.10.15 11:02:16 by Seth101 Reply
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  • You need a “Like” button… I Like!

  • Comment 4, posted at 20.10.15 11:07:47 by T-Shark Reply

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  • @T-Shark (Comment 4) : there’s a Facebook like button. You can use that one for now :)

  • Comment 5, posted at 20.10.15 11:10:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • Just a little food for thought here…he was successful with the Stormers in getting them to become a very tough defensive side. However, he did not have the best success with the Kings. Which leads me to the old saying “You can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink”. So just something to perhaps keep in mind when beginning scathing attacks on coaching staff at all levels

  • Comment 6, posted at 20.10.15 11:18:44 by SheldonK Reply

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  • As long as we dont just focus on defense… Stormers also has no super trophys. But great that we getting someone to fix our pathetic defense. Always thought its more mental than brute force… but lets see

  • Comment 7, posted at 20.10.15 11:19:39 by ebenp Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 6) : I assume you’re talking (defending) about Gary Gold. So, how did Jake White make the horse drink then?

  • Comment 8, posted at 20.10.15 11:27:04 by Ben Reply
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  • At least we’ve got one thing right – being on a first name basis with Omar….that surname is way too difficult. ;-)

    Some attitude is in defense has been sorely lacking since our regime change – this hard bugger in combination with du Preez’s disciplined approach, might just whip our softies into shape.

    Btw Rob….is Brendan still actually involved with the Sharks?

    If so, he’s really not added all too much, and I’m starting to think that his maiden CC win was built on the foundation laid by Plumtree (same way Mallet got his success on the back of Carel du Plessis’ foundation – a theory backed up by Mallets appalling win ratio during his final 2 years at the Boks)

  • Comment 9, posted at 20.10.15 11:33:47 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Looks like the Sharks appointed TWO no-nonsense coaches in Rob du Preez and Omar Mouneimne. That can only be a good thing right now. I just hope Omar’s drifter days are over for the time being.

  • Comment 10, posted at 20.10.15 11:34:00 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 8) : Gold to an extent yes. But also Paul Anthony- a guy who could do nothing but win over and over with the Bulls u19s, yet our guys well yeh. Coaching is all about getting players to buy into your ideas and beliefs. Judging by the ‘scandal’ when White left im not sure the guys did buy in. Also White scraped us in to Super rugby playoffs and got wins playing rugby that was heavily criticised on this site- so is he a guy we rate as a good benchmark or not? Something we possibly also overlook is the impact of the world cup year and the fact that the Shark Boks were all pretty much guaranteed a spot on the plane if they stayed injury free- so was there full focus on the Sharks? Especially with some knowing it would be their last season. Im not saying the coaching was perfect, and perhaps the way the coach’s ideas etc were conveyed to the players was put across the wrong way and Jake White’s more abrupt dictator approach more effective. Anyway the point i was making in my earlier post is that just because a coach gets a certain group of players to buy into his approach dosnt automatically mean another set of players will have the same reaction.

  • Comment 11, posted at 20.10.15 11:35:57 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 10) : Most drifters end-up on the coast…so he should be around for a while :twisted:

  • Comment 12, posted at 20.10.15 11:41:31 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 11) : Mutual trust is such a tricky bugger. Just ask the French national side.

  • Comment 13, posted at 20.10.15 11:43:18 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 12) : Again, well played :grin:

  • Comment 14, posted at 20.10.15 11:44:24 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Interesting read

  • Comment 15, posted at 20.10.15 11:47:30 by Poisy Reply
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  • Looking forward to these two changing the attitude at the Sharks. The Lions really impressed me with their defence this year. They never give up and literally put their bodies on the line for each other.

    The Sharks need the kind of defence that other teams fear!

  • Comment 16, posted at 20.10.15 11:49:24 by ChrisS Reply
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  • Being Mallets defence coach at Italy is not something to admit to on your C.V. don’t think Mallet won one game with Italy if he did it was the only one.

  • Comment 17, posted at 20.10.15 11:57:19 by The hound Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 13) : Its not just mutual trust (which is important) but also how the message is conveyed. As a silly example…if both you and i explained the game of rugby to someone we would both describe it in different ways. Now the first person we both explain it to may understand your description better than mine but the next person understands mine better. And thats just the same message on a topic a guy doesnt know. Try now explaining to a guy who understands rugby that in fact what he knows and thinks is in fact wrong and our ideas are right. Now getting our message across becomes a lot trickier especially how we deliver it and to whom. That make any sense? haha

  • Comment 18, posted at 20.10.15 12:05:17 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 18) : Good example of that is watching the aftermath of the Aus /Scot game
    Moodie,Charvis and Botha with the benefit of slow mo replays all agree that Joubert got it right.This is an Englishman,a Welsh man and a South African,all 100 % in agreement. All hugely experienced Internationals.
    Today the IRB releases a statement that Joubert got it wrong,almost branding him as a crook.
    If the three wisemen with the benefit of replays in the studio couldn’t see it,how was the poor man supposed to in real time in a cauldron filled with 75 ,000 people.

  • Comment 19, posted at 20.10.15 12:16:00 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 19) : yeh i agree with the point. Just an aside on that topic i dont think the explanation that World Rugby gave for Joubert getting it wrong made much sense other than to throw the guy under the bus. Their explanation which i read points to why his decision was correct. Its also funny how the same Laidlaw that tore into Joubert didnt question the ref in the Scotland/Samoa game when he knocked it on and then went on the score the winning try that got them into the QF. At the end of the day Scotland are out and Joubert wont be apppointed to another game in this RWC…life goes on

  • Comment 20, posted at 20.10.15 12:21:50 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 19) : Yep last night within minutes there were posts on Facebook with the following titles – World Rugby confirms Joubert was right not to consult with TMO and a link to The Telegraph and then the next, World rugby confirma Joubert was wrong, with an News24 link.

  • Comment 21, posted at 20.10.15 12:33:55 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 18) : It does :grin:

  • Comment 22, posted at 20.10.15 12:38:55 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Well the latest news from the Sharks camp at least sounds positive. I myself was hoping for big international names to take the reigns but perhaps that is not the answer. I hope that we will see a much improved performance from the team come next year especially when it comes to defense.

    By the way does anyone know how the CC running along Super Rugby will work? Will the CC become like the “Vodacom Cup”? And what will become of the actual Vodacom Cup? How big a pool of players will each union require under this new set up?

  • Comment 23, posted at 20.10.15 12:43:37 by Farlington Reply

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  • @Farlington (Comment 23) : No idea, I bet you neither does SARU at this stage. I think the one given of next years CC is that ABSA wont be sponsoring it.

  • Comment 24, posted at 20.10.15 12:47:15 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Farlington (Comment 23) : No one seems to have info on the new CC format, even some of the folks that are usually in the know on twitter are asking the same questions you are.

  • Comment 25, posted at 20.10.15 12:48:02 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 24) : @vanmartin (Comment 25) : That is crazy! Looks like we will have so many different leagues running at the same time it will become increasingly more difficult to remain competitive in all of them. Should the Vodacom Cup remain I really don’t know if the bigger unions will even bother competing anymore.

  • Comment 26, posted at 20.10.15 13:16:22 by Farlington Reply

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  • I approve of this guy. The fact that both Mallet and Alan recruited him into their coaching set-ups speaks volumes of the calibre of the man. My problem is still the HC and backline coach. If they get Muir to coach the backline I can with time stomach GG as HC.

  • Comment 27, posted at 20.10.15 13:41:32 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 24) : telkom looking to sponsor it last I heard 2days ago

  • Comment 28, posted at 20.10.15 13:52:58 by Poisy Reply
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  • It appears as though the Vodacom Cup is no more.

    There will be a Currie Cup qualifying phase that will run concurrently with Super Rugby and will replace the Vodacom Cup. This is likely to be a Vodacom Cup in all but name, with the major unions using it as an opportunity to develop youth, while the smaller teams (possibly including some new teams from elsewhere in Africa) use it as a way to gain qualification to the Currie Cup proper. It is not clear whether results in this competition will have any bearing on Currie Cup participation for the major teams (test unions) but it’s quite unlikely that it would. So it’s a development competition and qualifying phase in one.

    The Currie Cup itself is likely to be bigger from next year, with more than just 8 teams. We don’t know too much about the format yet, but one thing that does appear clear is that it will start before Super Rugby finishes. That means, at some point, Robert du Preez will need to move away from the Super Rugby group and join up with the Currie Cup group.

    That’s as much as I know right now.

  • Comment 29, posted at 20.10.15 13:55:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : Thanks for shedding some light onto the darkness.

  • Comment 30, posted at 20.10.15 14:08:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : Thanks Rob.

    Sooner or later the power that be will have to sit down and ask. “Are we playing to much Rugby” :lol:

  • Comment 31, posted at 20.10.15 14:09:04 by Farlington Reply

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  • @Farlington (Comment 31) : Or perhaps we can extend the year. Add two additional months. That should spread the load more evenly.

  • Comment 32, posted at 20.10.15 14:10:14 by Farlington Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : “…it will start before Super Rugby finishes…”

    That makes sense :roll:

  • Comment 33, posted at 20.10.15 14:22:29 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 33) : that’s my understanding based on talk I’ve heard. Sharks seem to be operating under that assumption too.

  • Comment 34, posted at 20.10.15 14:31:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 34) : well I can tell you one think doing MMA don’t think to many players will try to backchat this guy!!!! Only Marcell will be safe!!!!!!!!!!! :twisted:

  • Comment 35, posted at 20.10.15 14:44:31 by JD Reply
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  • @Farlington (Comment 31) : no some players can still walk so we can “milk” them some more!!!!!!!!! :twisted:

  • Comment 36, posted at 20.10.15 14:46:05 by JD Reply
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  • I have been working on a little personal theory, and the research involved watching Sharks SuperRugby matches from 2014 and 2015, but only looking at players to see if I noticed anything different in the way of conditioning. I have to say that comparing two matches from the middle of the season, from 2014 and 2015, the difference in conditioning is not only noticeable, it jumps out at you. It is noticeable how much harder Bismark was in 2014 than 2015, Cooper must have put on 20KGs between 2014 and 2015, and not muscle. There is no question the players were significantly better conditioned in 2014 than 2015, and generally the first thing to go when the poor conditioning kicks in is the defence. I think this has been evident with the Sharks this year, and I think has a lot to do with the poor defending. Which brings me to the reason I posted on this thread…… :mrgreen: An appointment like this sounds like just the medicine the Sharks need to address the above. Hopefully with improved conditioning, workrate, and defensive structures, along with the overall extremely well structured play Robert du Preez seems to coach, the future looks bright in my opinion.

  • Comment 37, posted at 20.10.15 14:50:18 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Both the new coaches sound like no-nonsense guys. I do hope the Sharks management gives them the support they need – when the players start grumbling about been driven too hard.

  • Comment 38, posted at 20.10.15 15:07:28 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 34) : Yeah not attacking you, just voicing my “concern” over what seems to be extremely poor and short-sighted planning by the brains-trust that is SARU. :???:

  • Comment 39, posted at 20.10.15 15:17:19 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 37) : i tend to agree with you. The poor conditoning is also evident in how our players arent able to fight in the tackle or retain the ball at a ruck etc. And then obviously as you mention it plays a big part in defense and covering ground.

  • Comment 40, posted at 20.10.15 15:23:13 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : Sounds like a recipe for disaster to be honest. I can imagine there will be players playing Super Rugby followed by mid to end stages of Currie Cup and then heading off to Japan for even more rugby.

  • Comment 41, posted at 20.10.15 15:33:47 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 41) : The way the Jap contracts, work it seems to be the players are allowed to play Super Rugby,Internationals and nothing else.

  • Comment 42, posted at 20.10.15 15:37:40 by The hound Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 37) : Our lack of conditioning was very evident under BMH and GG. Remember the comment made by BMH last year about Jake pushing the guys so hard that he doubted they would survive the 2014 SR competition. And guess what, they came 3rd that year and 11th this year with BMH and GG’s methods.

  • Comment 43, posted at 20.10.15 15:46:23 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 42) : Even if that is the case we could have some players playing SR -> CC -> Rugby Champs -> EOYT

  • Comment 44, posted at 20.10.15 15:49:09 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 37) : @SheldonK (Comment 40) : Very interesting…now who do we blame for that – their conditioning / fitness instructor, who has been with the Sharks for a good while now, or the coaches.

  • Comment 45, posted at 20.10.15 15:52:24 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 44) : Who,Marcel ,Lawazi and……Pat maybe depending who the next Bok coach is,but the likes of Beast and JPP should see their International playing days coming an end.
    Shit I forgot Willie and Coenie.

  • Comment 46, posted at 20.10.15 15:56:26 by The hound Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 45) : Both – the head coach determines how much time is spent on each training activity, and the fitness coach needs to use his allotment as best as possible.

  • Comment 47, posted at 20.10.15 15:56:58 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 45) : When you mention conditioning all I see is matt Stevens fat white gut spilling out of his jersey and Gold fielding him week after week.

  • Comment 48, posted at 20.10.15 15:58:23 by The hound Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 45) : Well i think it becomes a bit complicated and more involved. I dont believe that the Sharks have ever been one of the fittest and most conditioned side. There were also a lot of new players coming either into the Sharks setup or stepping up levels and those guys fitness levels etc are prob not where they should be. Taking a wider scope i dont think SA players fitness levels in general are where they should be. We want SA players to play like New Zealanders…yet compare fitness levels of the players and we will see why there is such a big gap and difference in the game plan approaches. So basically what im saying s are the ‘acceptable; fitness levels at the Sharks / (Boks) really acceptable? Or are the conditioning guys just accepting that that is the best they can get the guys conditioned?

  • Comment 49, posted at 20.10.15 15:58:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 44) : So are we going to see teams that are doing poorly in SuperRugby stack their CC teams with SuperRugby players during the overlap period? That overlap could easily become a silly period in both leagues if that happens.

  • Comment 50, posted at 20.10.15 15:59:30 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 45) : One thing is that White had a long time to prepare and condition his SuperRugby team. Gold came in after the season had already started. It appears there was no coordinated conditioning program leading up to SuperRugby in 2015. You can’t condition your players during the season, that is impossible. Players must be fully conditioned before the season starts.

  • Comment 51, posted at 20.10.15 16:02:14 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 49) : In 2014, the Sharks always looked harder and more conditioned than their opponents, including all the Aus and NZ opposition.

  • Comment 52, posted at 20.10.15 16:03:12 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 52) : yet we finished 6th on the log i think? and then went into the CC where the guys struggled physically to stand up to stronger packs. So was the group as a whole well conditioned then or only certain key individuals?

  • Comment 53, posted at 20.10.15 16:06:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 52) : Agree but strangely listening Moodie and Charvis the other night,they claim that N.Z rugby concentrate on skills first,and conditioning second,whereas we go straight to the gym,handpick the team according to gym conditioning,[except for Stevens]

  • Comment 54, posted at 20.10.15 16:07:09 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 53) : In 2014 we finished 3rd on the log.

  • Comment 55, posted at 20.10.15 16:08:42 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 51) : that’s why I’m glad Gold is staying and RdP and Omar is starting in November!!!!!

  • Comment 56, posted at 20.10.15 16:10:14 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 54) : I am not saying you pick you team based on gym conditioning, no way. Your entire squad has to be well conditioned to succeed in SuperRugby.

  • Comment 57, posted at 20.10.15 16:10:22 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 57) : And I think the entire squad was poorly conditioned in 2015.

  • Comment 58, posted at 20.10.15 16:11:38 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 56) : At the professional level, every player has the skills to compete, it is conditioning that sets the winners apart.

  • Comment 59, posted at 20.10.15 16:12:50 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 54) : you 100% correct. In new zealand they focus on picking good rugby players and then condition these guys. The conditioning they do is not the same as our guys endlessly pumping weights in the gym however. In NZ they want quick, aerobic and strong guys.

  • Comment 60, posted at 20.10.15 16:14:55 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 55) : I just remember we had to do a lot of travelling in the playoffs. The point i was making is that perhaps the conditioning of a few overshadowed the conditioning of the group. Evidence would be the CC performances that followed

  • Comment 61, posted at 20.10.15 16:16:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I firmly believe that with a team of truly professional rugby players, willing to put in the hard work…..full time, conditioned better than other teams, and with strong playing structures, one can beat any other team even without the “benefit” of superstars and disruptive rockstars.

  • Comment 62, posted at 20.10.15 16:16:34 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 61) : I think you are thinking about 2012, we didn’t have to travel that much for 2014, we hosted the Highlanders at KP in the quarters and won, and then went to Christchurch to get thoroughly embarrassed by the Crusaders. Only one flight in the playoffs.

  • Comment 63, posted at 20.10.15 16:18:17 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 62) : The awesome thing about sport is that both teams have an equal chance of winning. Yes some teams may have more weapons than others in the fight. But both teams fight on the same ground, same rules etc. So yes things like conditioning, structures etc may give 1 team the perceived advantage, but executing that advantage under pressure is def not a guarantee. As Matt Stevens will tell you- you need a few good ingredients to bake a cake.

  • Comment 64, posted at 20.10.15 16:21:33 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 62) : With professional sport what you describe is the minimum,its expected.What separates the teams are things like passion,and team structures where the group is stronger than the individual.
    When you get a team top heavy on superstars who are more interested in saving their bodies for National glory,than they are for Provincial,then you get the Sharks class of 2015.

  • Comment 65, posted at 20.10.15 16:22:05 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 61) : 2014 Currie Cup performance 7 wins, 1 draw, 2 losses, not too shabby, of course 50-20 embarrassing loss to the Lions is hard to forget and does overwhelm the other memories. ;-)

  • Comment 66, posted at 20.10.15 16:23:21 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 63) : Perhaps i was. I was leaning my point more to the fact that the ‘goo’d super rugby lead to a poor CC in 2014 and perhaps the conditioning of our big names overshadowed the group as a whole

  • Comment 67, posted at 20.10.15 16:23:27 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 64) : Dude, you mentioned Matt Stephens and conditioning in the same post, what is wrong with you??? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 68, posted at 20.10.15 16:25:03 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 67) : 7-1-2 is not a poor Currie Cup, the semi final loss was beyond poor, but the season was not bad. And we were only 3 log points shy of the Lions at the end, had the same number of wins, and one less loss. Not a bad season, just a bad ending….

  • Comment 69, posted at 20.10.15 16:27:51 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 67) : Plus Jake White was not involved in the 2014 Currie Cup, so seeing the players lose conditioning over the course of the tournament would not be surprising and only enforces my original point of comparing Jake White to GG with regard to conditioning.

  • Comment 70, posted at 20.10.15 16:31:14 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 67) : Oh look at that, Sharks allowed 20 tries in CC 2014, lowest in the competition, now that certainly says something about defence, and hence conditioning.

  • Comment 71, posted at 20.10.15 16:42:46 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • John Smit also promised some signings in his last communication. Can’t wait to see who or what that is.

  • Comment 72, posted at 20.10.15 17:09:40 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 60) : Yet they are seldom bullied at the breakdown / set-piece. So we have to ask how much use this bulking up has.

  • Comment 73, posted at 20.10.15 17:18:50 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 65) : I don’t think so. Our problem was not based on our players saving themselves for national duty. Infact, I saw players like Bismarck heavily frustrated as they realised that they were way under prepared for the season. Guys like PSDT deciding to leave this sorry lazy bunch headed by clueless coaches after publicly committing to stay. Guys like Marcel putting their bodies week after week. So no, I don’t agree with you.

  • Comment 74, posted at 20.10.15 20:12:41 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • According to Google it sounds like mounei

  • Comment 75, posted at 21.10.15 06:14:11 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 69) : We got some results but the standard of play from the Sharks in the 2014 CC was not good as actually pretty similar to the performances this year. Difference this year is opposition took advantage of the errors. Stats may say one thing but the Sharks were definitely poor in CC 2014. And perhaps our conditioning looked a lot better playing a kick orientated game plan. Trying to spread the ball a bit this year has seriously shown up our lack of conditioning.

  • Comment 76, posted at 21.10.15 08:51:02 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 73) : There is a difference between size and strength…

  • Comment 77, posted at 21.10.15 08:51:46 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 77) : For sure – as can be seen in body building vs. weight lifting. The question is why rugby players would concentrate on gaining bulk whereas strength and endurance should surely be more important.

  • Comment 78, posted at 21.10.15 09:35:03 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 78) : Its an SA culture thing to be bigger and more defined. Appearances over effectiveness. People say that Sa players lack the skills of the New Zealanders- trust me our players have the same skills- difference is we cannot execute it at the same speed, intensity and accuracy as the New Zealanders. And thats the difference between the sides. When do teams beat the All Blacks…when they slow the game down to a close combat arm wrestle and physically beat them. Trying to beat the All Blacks playing their high tempo game plan results in only 1 outcome pretty much every time.

  • Comment 79, posted at 21.10.15 09:46:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 79) : …even Namibia realised this, and slowed the game down to a crawl….the self-coached French on the other hand. . .

  • Comment 80, posted at 21.10.15 09:51:11 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 80) : So then i have to ask…is trying to copy the All Blacks and beat them at their own game a good idea? Or is it foolish? Should we develop our own unique game plan based on our player strengths? Or should we try get our players to copy theirs? is a copy not always second best…

  • Comment 81, posted at 21.10.15 09:59:22 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 79) : between ”trust me our players have the same skills” and ”we cannot execute it at the same speed, intensity and accuracy as the New Zealander”their is a serious disconnect in your logic.

  • Comment 82, posted at 21.10.15 10:13:44 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 82) : Perhaps i didnt explain it properly. Sa players have the skills however they cannot execute those skills at speed or accurately enough hence in a game when you want to minimise error count we dont use them because we cant at that tempo. At a slower pace or practice match where not much is on the line you will then see the skills the guys do have as its in a comfortable environment for them. im not sure if you have done any coaching but to upskill a player to teach them a skill at walking pace and once they have the basics you increase the speed over and over until done at full pace. However if players are huffing and puffing just from running do you think they have the ability to do that skill then, no. Which is why conditioning becomes so important so that the players focus can be on the skill not the running.

  • Comment 83, posted at 21.10.15 10:26:13 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 83) : I still lthink if you cannot execute at speed or with accuracy it is a simple case that you do not have the same skills.

  • Comment 84, posted at 21.10.15 10:31:04 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 84) : So by your assessment a player only has a skill if they are able to do it at pace and accruately consistently? If they can do the same skill at a slower pace it doesnt count. That right?

  • Comment 85, posted at 21.10.15 10:52:01 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 85) : Sunshine if you execute slower and with less accuracy you are less skilful than some one who does it quicker and more accurately,what do you find so hard to understand.

  • Comment 86, posted at 21.10.15 11:14:49 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 85) : Jumping into the discussion without knowing anything sorry, but by definition the faster and more consistently you can execute a skill, the more skillful you are….

  • Comment 87, posted at 21.10.15 11:21:58 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 86) : Thanks for the personal insult. I was trying to have a reasonable debate but i guess with you thats impossible. Keep spewing out your negativity. Im sure the Sharks wont be sad to lose you as a supporter as you have nothing positve to ever say. Perhaps you feel more positive supporting the Border Bulldogs as your name suggests

  • Comment 88, posted at 21.10.15 11:22:57 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 87) : See i would disagree. You still have the same basic skill. Its the speed at which you can execute it that differs. But perhaps thats too technical and ill just stick with SA players are unskilled neaderthals

  • Comment 89, posted at 21.10.15 11:25:47 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 89) : Are you named after Sheldon in the Big Bang Theory,

  • Comment 90, posted at 21.10.15 11:41:04 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 84) : I have to agree with you on that one.

  • Comment 91, posted at 21.10.15 11:43:03 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 90) : NO

  • Comment 92, posted at 21.10.15 11:47:50 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 92) : Bazzingha

  • Comment 93, posted at 21.10.15 11:51:10 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 93) : Tell your kid to stop using your computer…

  • Comment 94, posted at 21.10.15 11:52:10 by SheldonK Reply

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  • You’re arguing semantics here folks.

  • Comment 95, posted at 21.10.15 12:02:04 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 84) : That’s correct. Executing at that speed and accuracy is a skill. Our skill levels compared to other Southern hemisphere nations are low. Finish and klaar. #Everitt and Gold must fall.

  • Comment 96, posted at 21.10.15 12:33:24 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 88) : You lost the debate fair and square. Let’s just be adults and accept when someone else has superior logic. #Everitt and Gold must fall.

  • Comment 97, posted at 21.10.15 12:36:33 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 97) : You hashtag explains a lot regarding your logic..will leave it there

  • Comment 98, posted at 21.10.15 12:38:39 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 97) : Improving the players skill levels will not happen overnight, and cannot just be blamed on the current coaches. This will require changes from the junior levels all the way up. That is why just changing the head coach every year is just arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Someone at the Sharks management need to take charge and put the necessary structures / procedures / (whatever you want to call it) in place over the entire union – and start making some progress on these long running issues.

    Additionally the players themselves need to man up, and put extra work in where needed. For example if a hooker struggles to throw straight and accurate, he should put in extra time on his own practicing throwing drills.

  • Comment 99, posted at 21.10.15 12:44:18 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 84) : Agree.

  • Comment 100, posted at 21.10.15 14:16:05 by Ben Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 97) : This dude won’t stop until we kiss Gary Gold’s ass with him. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 101, posted at 21.10.15 14:17:03 by Ben Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 89) : Just read your own comments out loud to yourself and ask yourself this, ‘am I making any sense?’

  • Comment 102, posted at 21.10.15 14:18:41 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 101) : Did i mention Gary Gold? Grow up!

  • Comment 103, posted at 21.10.15 14:20:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 102) : If you have ever coached then it does. But im not going to argue technical points on here as its pointless.

  • Comment 104, posted at 21.10.15 14:21:14 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 104) : Yup, I guess I have the same amount of driving skills as a formula one driver. I can take a car out on the road and take it around left and right turns. I just can’t do it as fast as they can, but I have the same skills. :roll:

  • Comment 105, posted at 21.10.15 14:47:13 by Ben Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 103) : Note the smiley. I was making a joke. You cry about people making personal insults, but then you turn around and do the same. Hypocrite? :cool:

  • Comment 106, posted at 21.10.15 14:50:45 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 105) : The ability to drive is the core skill…the speed etc is determined by conditioning which was my point. U say u can drive (i guess ill have to believe you)…now if you were tired would your skill (driving) be as good as if you werent exhausted?

  • Comment 107, posted at 21.10.15 14:54:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 106) : Yeh its a joke till a comment like that is directed at you…anyway life goes on i guess

  • Comment 108, posted at 21.10.15 14:56:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 107) : You say you’ve coached before (I guess I will have to believe you because you make just as much sense as Gary Gold does in most of his iterviews). Driving fast is a skill in its own. Ps: ‘u’ is a letter in the alphabet, not a word. ;)

  • Comment 109, posted at 21.10.15 15:07:02 by Ben Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 107) : Compared to this understanding string theory is a doddle,but if I say I believe you and you are always right will you just let it go.

  • Comment 110, posted at 21.10.15 15:13:22 by The hound Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 109) : As i said in a previous post…pointless arguing technical points here. lets rather just hashtag…

  • Comment 111, posted at 21.10.15 15:13:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 111) : Dude you are literally arguing with everyone here that being able to do the same thing as someone else faster and more consistently does not make you more skillful then them….

    You are point blank wrong, have a little humility and accept that.

  • Comment 112, posted at 21.10.15 15:39:30 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 112) : I can hit a golf ball, Tiger Woods can hit the same golf ball better than me, he is therefor more skillful than me.

  • Comment 113, posted at 21.10.15 15:41:54 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 112) : I was trying to explain that Sa players are also skillful but as we arent as well conditioned we cant execute those skills as we are tired and thus just focus on trying to do the basics. But hey who cares, its all the coaches fault or the ref or both

  • Comment 114, posted at 21.10.15 15:52:50 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 114) : IMO It’s school rugby’s fault and the South African rugby mentality as a whole. Yes our players have skill, however they are not as skillful as other countries when it comes to particular types of rugby, that is just fact regardless of who’s fault it is.

  • Comment 115, posted at 21.10.15 16:03:10 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 115) : When you refer to skill which ones are you referring to? (Genuine question) Is it the catching, passing, kicking and their variations? Or is it something more special for lack of better terminology. Or is it the stepping, tackling etc skills?

  • Comment 116, posted at 21.10.15 16:09:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 116) : Let’s take offloading in a tackle as an example. Would you say that we are just as skillful as the All Blacks? How is this a conditioning issue?

  • Comment 117, posted at 21.10.15 16:17:47 by Ben Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 116) : Ok where I feel we fall short;

    The ability to offload (we have been improving but far to inconstant, costs a scrum when you fail).

    Ability to pick the space rather than the man, our players (especially forwards) seem to much rather run at a man and try bowl him over than run at a gap and offload.

    Agility over size. Yes size is still very important but means very little in the modern game if you are not also agile (note agility is not speed which is just as important).

    Consistency, an argument can be made for several players who can pull of the above, but they are just not consistent enough to do it game in and game out. We need our Folau/SBW/Nonu… who come out game after game and perform.

    Sorry I have more but have to drive home from work :)

  • Comment 118, posted at 21.10.15 16:25:51 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 117) : Offloading in a tackle is not really that big of a skill. Its more a willingness to take a hit and pass. So in terms of conditioning you have to dominate the collision- cant offload effectively going backwards. Why doesnt a guy like Beats offload or pump his legs in a tackle and drive through it like he used to? He is overweight and tired taking the ball into contact thats why. You also need guys with the mndset (which i also think falls into conditioning) to do that. Take a guy like Marcel Coetzee, he is fit and dominates a tackle and can pass…but he chooses not to and rather bashes into a guy. So for me conditioning is the big thing but then mindset also comes into it. Duane Vermuelen’s offload for the try shows our guys can do it…but are we fit(mentally and physically) to do it often? Id say no. The Lions are probably the fittest and most skillful side domestically…is that a coincidence?

  • Comment 119, posted at 21.10.15 16:26:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 118) : U make good points. i feel a lot of what you refer to is more a mental short coming though (obviously the agility thing aside). For me the lack of mental conditioning is just as much a shortfall as physical conditioning.

  • Comment 120, posted at 21.10.15 16:28:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 114) : How about we say they all have the skills. But that NZ players show a much higher level of refinement of those skills and therefore better or more efficient execution. Then we can leave this argument and move on to something else like maybe a discussion on what Willie le roux will bring. He looked like a good buy but now even HM has his doubts about the level of errors and cowboy style of play this kid has. Did we buy another lemon?

  • Comment 121, posted at 21.10.15 18:19:46 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 121) : I’m a big fan of his. I’ll admit that he has been awful lately, but I believe he’ll come right. What options do we have at fullback at the Sharks? I think he’s a very good buy.

  • Comment 122, posted at 21.10.15 18:54:28 by Ben Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 119) : I could agree with everything you’re saying, really I could, but then we would both be wrong. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 123, posted at 21.10.15 18:55:47 by Ben Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 11) : “White scraped us into the play offs”

    God you’re a Gold-defending tjop!

    We finished FIRST in our conference. The FIRST time we have ever done it.

    How much further will you go (stoop) to find ways to massage Gold’s back? I’m convinced you are Gold himself or his spotted teenage nephew.

  • Comment 124, posted at 21.10.15 21:49:21 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 121) : I think that Willie is a bit off form, but will come right. Having said that, I certainly also think that part of the problem with Willie at the moment is that HM is not using him very well…

  • Comment 125, posted at 22.10.15 06:05:39 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 125) : Correct. We are using Schalk at first receiver instead of interchanging between Pollard and Willie.

  • Comment 126, posted at 22.10.15 06:43:32 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 126) : I agree with both you and pastor. I doubt any of our backline is being used effectively. I also think a level head like Lambie and Joe P will compliment his game. I also think that his moments of lapse were due to poor pivots and pressure coming from forwards. He tries to save the day and ends up trying desperate moves.

  • Comment 127, posted at 22.10.15 07:48:23 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I must say I can’t wait to see a combo of Him,Pat, Joe, Mvovo ,Esterhuizen and Jordaan if we ever give him a shot at wing. If we can perfect our handling we are in for some explosive tries.

  • Comment 128, posted at 22.10.15 07:53:08 by coolfusion Reply

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  • On that note does anyone know which players will be returning for supers?

  • Comment 129, posted at 22.10.15 07:54:21 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 124) : I really hope that Gold does leave as they you will have nothing to say as thats the only value you can add. And again thanks for the personal insult. again showing your intelligence.

  • Comment 130, posted at 22.10.15 07:59:48 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 127) : I think u hit the nail on the head in your last sentence. He is trying to be the hero every time he touches the ball. Yes we want him to attack but trying something magical every time will result in errors. Sometimes the percentage option is the best one.

  • Comment 131, posted at 22.10.15 08:07:55 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 123) : With that logic im happy to agree to disagree then :)

  • Comment 132, posted at 22.10.15 08:10:16 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Oops, wrong thread.

  • Comment 133, posted at 22.10.15 08:18:50 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 132) : Sheldon the reason why New Zealand skills are better than ours ,which they are, is a very simple one.In South Africa at the earliest levels we play age group rugby,in New Zealand they play weight group rugby.
    Hence in South Africa the biggest kid in every position tends to get picked,in New Zealand they are all the same size so the most skilful kid in every position gets picked.
    This obsession with size permeates right thru our system,where our National coach refuse to even consider players like Brussow,KrieL,deJong,Colby,and on and on.
    Pollard is bigger than Lambie,Burger is bigger than Kriel,Connie is bigger than Kitshoff,Pienaar is bigger than Faf,.

  • Comment 134, posted at 22.10.15 08:25:18 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 134) : Yeh look i agree with you that there are flaws in our system, but its mainly in primary school level…by the end of high school it all levels out pretty much and if we watch the school boy rugby the level of skills etc is very high. If i look at the u20 sides coming through there are seriously skillful players that we are producing. The coaching levels in the schools are significantly higher than when the likes of Habana,Vermuelen, Schalk were at school. So yes the change is coming, but it certainly wont be instant. And then can you imagine how some mommies would freak out in this country when they are told their kid is a fatty so has to play in a different weight group.

  • Comment 135, posted at 22.10.15 08:44:55 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 128) : Really looking forward to that too. I’m hoping Omar whips a backline like that into shape and that Rob can instill the necessary composure on attack.

  • Comment 136, posted at 22.10.15 08:57:25 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 136) : When last did you see a Sharks team smash the opposition back on defense? Im really hoping for some improvement towards that. As well as our defense around the fringes

  • Comment 137, posted at 22.10.15 09:05:49 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 137) : I won’t lie, it’s been a while…

  • Comment 138, posted at 22.10.15 09:14:39 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 138) : Perhaps when we last had guys like Halstead and Snyman playing?

  • Comment 139, posted at 22.10.15 09:17:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 137) : Only Alberts and PSDT drove people back and really dominated the tackle. We have now lost both. #Everitt and Gold must fall.

  • Comment 140, posted at 22.10.15 09:47:11 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 140) : The fact that they are both injury prone does that fall back to tackle technique or just the law of attrition?

  • Comment 141, posted at 22.10.15 09:55:45 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 141) : Last I checked their injuries were on their lower limbs. They have had a couple of shoulder injuries in the past. Wouldn’t say they were directly related to the tackle situation and if they were they are few. Tackling as some of the guys have pointed out has got to do with your team’s attitude. If the team does not believe that dominating the tackle is one way of getting possession back they won’t do it. For tackling to be used as a weapon to get the ball back that message needs to come from the coaches and trained on the training pitch. We used to be the meanest and most physical team in SR that teams used to fear #Everitt and Gold must fall.

  • Comment 142, posted at 22.10.15 10:21:03 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 142) : Yeh i agree bout the mindset thing in defense, most definitely. That mindset is a lot more common in settled teams though as the trust is there so i think the more we can keep these sharks guys together the better it should get. In terms of the injuries…the lower body then possibly suggests it is a result of all the ball carrying they do? Either that or their body weight composition is off.

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