Richard Ferguson

Boks unchanged for Semi showdown


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :All Blacks, Original Content, RWC 2015, Springboks on 21 Oct 2015 at 11:15
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The Springbok team to face the All Blacks in the World Cup Semi-Final this weekend has been named, with an unchanged starting fifteen taking the field.

The only change to the match day 23 comes on the bench, where the experienced Victor Matfield takes over from Pieter-Steph du Toit. Matfield has recovered from the stiffness he was feeling before the Quarter-Final clash with Wales.

Coach Heyneke Meyer has stuck with Willie le Roux at fullback despite rumours going around that he was carrying an ankle niggle. The fact that he had such a poor game against Wales can thus not be blamed on an injury, but rather simply poor decision making and form.

Springboks: 15 Willie le Roux, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Jesse Kriel, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Handre Pollard, 9 Fourie du Preez (captain), 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Schalk Burger, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Lood de Jager, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 1 Tendai Mtawarira

Substitutes: 16 Adriaan Strauss, 17 Trevor Nyakane, 18 Jannie du Plessis, 19 Victor Matfield, 20 Willem Alberts, 21 Ruan Pienaar, 22 Pat Lambie, 23 Jan Serfontein



151 Comments

  • All Blacks by 7.

  • Comment 1, posted at 21.10.15 11:18:46 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Best side we can put it again. Hopefully we dont try to beat the All Blacks at their own game.

  • Comment 2, posted at 21.10.15 11:27:15 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Go Bokke!!!!! Bokke to take a war like battle by 1… We’ve got this!!!!
    Hey Rob hope we gonna get a nice read on the Currie Cup final. I know some guys think it is no longer on tv but us loyal Sharksworld Lions fans would really appreciate it.

  • Comment 3, posted at 21.10.15 11:27:20 by Lassy_lion Reply
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  • Robbie Wessels se song…. skip vir Schalk Burger en pass vir Pollard… skop vir die hoeke en maak seker dis uit. Sê vir Bismark hy merk vir Carter.

    Dan is ons sorted….

  • Comment 4, posted at 21.10.15 11:30:54 by ebenp Reply

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  • The Ultimate Rugby app has Lambie starting at fullback. Even mentions in their article that le Roux was dropped to the bench due to a poor performance.

  • Comment 5, posted at 21.10.15 11:30:56 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 5) : Springbok rugby fb page has same team as above. Mayb the app is being used to confuse the All Blacks ;)

  • Comment 6, posted at 21.10.15 11:34:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • There may be a case for swapping Pat and Willie around.

  • Comment 7, posted at 21.10.15 11:36:31 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 5) :

    Who do they have on the bench, I bet it’s Lambie too.

  • Comment 8, posted at 21.10.15 11:37:33 by Letgo Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 6) : All other sites seem to have the team mentioned in Rich’s article above. Just weird that the app has a different team listed.

  • Comment 9, posted at 21.10.15 11:38:38 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 9) : Yeh is a bit weird. Id understand a mistake if they just listed a team but having an article too is a bit strange…

  • Comment 10, posted at 21.10.15 11:39:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 10) : Article has just been removed from the app. I suspect a preliminary team was leaked to a staff member or they may have been going on a team observed during a training run and decided to jump the gun.

  • Comment 11, posted at 21.10.15 11:42:13 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Lassy_lion (Comment 3) : yoh – do I have to? :)

  • Comment 12, posted at 21.10.15 11:47:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 11) : Yeh very possible

  • Comment 13, posted at 21.10.15 11:48:36 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Must say I am finding it hard to believe that we will be able to do it.

  • Comment 14, posted at 21.10.15 12:05:32 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 13) : New article has been posted to app with correct team. Article now reads ‘the fullback option has been a contentious one for Heyneke Meyer’.

  • Comment 15, posted at 21.10.15 12:08:23 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 15) : haha nice reverse gear

  • Comment 16, posted at 21.10.15 12:09:36 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 16) : One has to wonder whether this means Lambie may have been considered for fullback during the week. le Roux has been underwhelming during this world cup.

  • Comment 17, posted at 21.10.15 12:14:50 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 17) : I saw a article on FB page which had the training team on, Lambie was at fb. Last week they had Steyn on the bench in Lambies place.

  • Comment 18, posted at 21.10.15 12:17:12 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 18) : That probably explains it then. Thanks for the info.

  • Comment 19, posted at 21.10.15 12:19:52 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 17) : Im sure there was some consideration as Le Roux has been poor. I still think LeRoux is best playing at wing. Will be interesting to see how he fares at the Sharks next year

  • Comment 20, posted at 21.10.15 12:25:08 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 20) : Hopefully he regains some moyo playing against the AB’s. He normally has blinders against them…. hopefully this time again.

  • Comment 21, posted at 21.10.15 12:28:08 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • If Handré and Willie keep kicking like they have recently the Boks are going to be in for a long and hard game on Saturday.

    Having said that I would love a Springbok win.

  • Comment 22, posted at 21.10.15 12:34:00 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Can’t complain about that team. Those are the guys who got us this far and suppose we just have to back them now. I was expecting Lambie to be named at fullback but le Roux will get another shot at redemption. I hope he brings his a game because when he does he can mix it with the best. Maybe Lambies on the bench so he can be brought on with 2 minutes to go and kick a 50m penalty to win the game. We do like to look at histroy to see where we got it right :lol:

  • Comment 23, posted at 21.10.15 12:34:05 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 21) : he must just play and not try produce magic every time he touches the ball.

  • Comment 24, posted at 21.10.15 12:35:47 by SheldonK Reply

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  • The app team sounds better. I would have liked Lambie’s calming influence on the field for the full 80 minutes.

  • Comment 25, posted at 21.10.15 13:08:07 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Hulk (Comment 23) : If he started he could kick 5 50m penalties! Lol! :lol:

  • Comment 26, posted at 21.10.15 13:10:23 by ChrisS Reply
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  • How can you play Mattfield as an impact player against the AB’s,you either start with him and then when he runs out of puff you introduce deJager,but if you are not that confident of deJager’s fitness you play PSDT off the bench as an impact player.
    Matt field is purely a line out man today,and Retalick can probably match him there,but rRetalick won’t dominate deJaager or du Toit in any other aspect of the game.
    Hatfield should have done what that other pensioner did,and retire however ungracefully.

  • Comment 27, posted at 21.10.15 13:13:25 by The hound Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 26) : That may be true, but we never won a game with Lambie kicking 5 50m penalties :mrgreen:

  • Comment 28, posted at 21.10.15 13:19:13 by Hulk Reply

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  • I’m sorry but I dont see the Bokke winning this one. No matter how psyched they may be for the contest at the end of the day its dom stampkar-aimless kicking-rugby at its best vs excitingly-fast paced-skillful rugby. And you dont even have to look at Heinekes 4 year results to know that blou bul rugby wont work. Ben Smith will be launching counter attacks all day and the All Blacks will just pile on the pressure with phases.

  • Comment 29, posted at 21.10.15 13:28:54 by DeanOwens Reply

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  • @DeanOwens (Comment 29) : I also feel we’re bringing a blunt pocket knife to a fully automatic gun fight… but let’s see. Funny old game.

  • Comment 30, posted at 21.10.15 13:34:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 17) : Willie has deliberately been lowering his standard of play to make his transition to the Sharks as seamless as possible… :wink:

  • Comment 31, posted at 21.10.15 13:42:28 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Definitely rob. For the boks to win the all blacks would have to be below par or the Boks would have to be performing at the extreme. My heart is in it for my country to do well, but my minds already made up about this coach and his results. Let me not spoil the mood. Cheers people, enjoy the game!

  • Comment 32, posted at 21.10.15 13:53:20 by DeanOwens Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) : It’s one of those plastic knives you get on the airlines :mrgreen:

  • Comment 33, posted at 21.10.15 14:14:07 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @DeanOwens (Comment 32) : I feel the same. I want the Boks to win for the sake of pride in the Bok and what it’s meant to me through the years…on the flip side i want the Heyneke coached team to lose so that he can leave.

    It’s a painful quandry. If we lose then we win but if wee win then we lose!!!

  • Comment 34, posted at 21.10.15 14:15:35 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Hulk (Comment 28) : Always a first time ;-)

  • Comment 35, posted at 21.10.15 14:16:11 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 31) : …on current form, he will fit right in :|

  • Comment 36, posted at 21.10.15 14:19:36 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 33) : Might be more like a Spork…. :lol:

  • Comment 37, posted at 21.10.15 14:24:05 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • I think the Boks only way of winning is to play in the “grey” area of the law. I think we need to ruffle feathers and make the All Blacks want to bash bash. Make them want to get into a fist fight and hopefully they will forget about all that passing. It’s not ideal but I’m not sure we can win if they are focused.

  • Comment 38, posted at 21.10.15 14:24:07 by Hulk Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 35) : And I would love for that first time to be Saturday.

  • Comment 39, posted at 21.10.15 14:25:27 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 31) : I owe you a liquid refreshment of some sort for that one :)

  • Comment 40, posted at 21.10.15 14:28:17 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Hulk (Comment 38) : …and slow the game down to a crawl.

  • Comment 41, posted at 21.10.15 14:31:23 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 40) : Any bets on Coenie Oosthuizen still arriving at Sharks preseason injured even after not playing?

  • Comment 42, posted at 21.10.15 14:32:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 31) : Eina, the truth hurts.

  • Comment 43, posted at 21.10.15 14:33:12 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 40) : He doesn’t come cheap….

  • Comment 44, posted at 21.10.15 14:35:05 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Hulk (Comment 38) : Morne mentioned the following a while back: “NZ stands off every tackle avoiding rucks. Attack them through the middle with pick and go plays”. Pick and go suits us more than trying to constantly send the ball wide.

  • Comment 45, posted at 21.10.15 14:35:26 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 45) : 100%

  • Comment 46, posted at 21.10.15 14:37:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 42) : I wouldn’t bet against it being the case :grin:

    @Pokkel (Comment 44) : Tell me about it! Luckily I know nothing about whiskey so he’ll probably have to settle for an IPA from Devil’s Peak.

  • Comment 47, posted at 21.10.15 14:37:45 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 42) : I reckon that’s even money! Haha!!!

  • Comment 48, posted at 21.10.15 14:50:45 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 45) : Pick and go doesn’t work for us.

    I find that we play our best rugby when the scrummy passes the ball to a tight forward who is standing still. A prerequisite of this tactic is that he must have no acceleration whatsoever and must also be standing quite deep. A lack of handling skills is also welcome as it increases the chance of knock-ons or dropped balls under pressure.

  • Comment 49, posted at 21.10.15 14:52:54 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 48) : I suppose we have to occupy the physio and docs time now that PSDT is gone. Although at the moment Lewies may make Coenie stand in line for treatment

  • Comment 50, posted at 21.10.15 14:58:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 50) : Hahaha!!! They need a reason to get paid.

    Seriously though, I hope that Lewies and Coenie stay injury-free next year. We need both of them on top form in order to have a successful season.

  • Comment 51, posted at 21.10.15 15:02:58 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 45) : Makes sense….that’s probably what the pro’s mean when they talk about earning the right to go wide…

    …attacking NZ through the middle of the ruck will force them to commit more players to the ruck, thinning their defenses out wide.

    Whether our boys can make the required attacking switch at the right time during the game is a whole different story.

  • Comment 52, posted at 21.10.15 15:09:37 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 51) : The frequency in their injuries shows that there is some underlyng problem. So they may get fit but seeing them play out a full season is very unlikely. If fit they both add good value though. Especially as the sharks lack a tight 5.

  • Comment 53, posted at 21.10.15 15:09:37 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 52) : I would ove to see us get that right but I don’t have much faith.

  • Comment 54, posted at 21.10.15 15:10:39 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 54) : Semi finals do strange things to teams,we go in here with nobody but a bunch of guys in a bar somewhere in Pretoria believing we can win.
    So the pressure is off,
    AB’s on the other hand aren’t only playing us they are playing every game that they failed to win for the combined pride of that entire god forsaken wind swept little group of Islands.
    Pressure is enormous.
    One ,two little mistakes on their part,and Meyer’s blue eyed boy controls his nerves and suddenly they are playing catch up,something they have absolutely no experience at.
    Pigs could also fly.

  • Comment 55, posted at 21.10.15 15:22:50 by The hound Reply
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  • Double Platinum – booyah!

    @ChrisS (Comment 54) : I have decided to wear my blind-supporter-green-and-gold-shades – it diminishes my ability to see my teams’ glaring shortcomings, and allows me to live in a dream world where I merely need to back my team as hard as possible in order for them to get the win. :twisted:

    Hey, it worked in 1995 ;-)

  • Comment 56, posted at 21.10.15 15:23:59 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 56) : Those shades are 20years old…perhaps new ones are needed. Check the Shark Cage for specials :)

  • Comment 57, posted at 21.10.15 15:25:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 45) :

    Still sticking to that.

    You keep it simple against these guys, to many variations and too many options increases the risk of you making mistakes, and if you give them turn over ball, they will kill you. That is where their skill is out of this world.

    I would not attack more than 30 meters wide of any breakdown, they are too good at organising defences and their big loosies and wings in the trenches will kill you if you are isolated out wide.

    Create mismatches by forcing their defenders to make decisions whether to fold or stay near/blind side. Going wide plays into their hands and does not require any of their defenders to make split decisions. You want them to make a decision to leave 4 or 5 guys on a big blind side defending 30 meters where each defender has to cover 5 to 7 meters of space.

    At some point they will fold one too many either side and you will have your mismatch on attack (in the AB’s case usually blindside as they keep their fatties tight to the blind and backs to defend the open).

    KISS

  • Comment 58, posted at 21.10.15 15:26:50 by Morné Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 55) : You have a point. We have a slim chance but if we play the right rugby and they feel the pressure then we could win.

  • Comment 59, posted at 21.10.15 15:28:01 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 56) : Hahaha!!! If all else fails then resort to blind faith.

    Bring on a repeat of ’95 :mrgreen:

  • Comment 60, posted at 21.10.15 15:29:11 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 58) : Definitely something i agree with. The trend has been to keep it close and bash around channel 1 or 2 until we break half a tackle. What im not a fan of at the moment is the Boks trying to spread the ball as soon as they break half a tackle. Id prefer to pick and drive a couple times after the gain thus further sucking in the scramble defense, increasing the penalty risk and also creating better space out wide in a disorganised system.

  • Comment 61, posted at 21.10.15 15:30:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 58) : If we can keep them turning this way and that with some patient build up and clever kicking (chips, grubbers, tactical long kicks) then we can maybe open them up.

    I don’t know if we have the patience for that though. We usually panic after a few phases if we don’t move forward and then kick the ball away.

  • Comment 62, posted at 21.10.15 15:31:36 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 58) : So we have a plan, lets just send that plan to the Boks and get them to employ it successfully on the field. Easy :cool:

  • Comment 63, posted at 21.10.15 15:32:44 by Hulk Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 61) : We are too predictable though as all of our play takes place off the 9 instead of the 10.

    We should let Pollard and Lambie create those half breaks using switches, dummy runners and inside balls.

    At present we have pods running off du Preez and it’s easy to have 3 or 4 big guys rushing up to smother the ball carrier…especially since we insist 9 times out of 10 on taking the ball standing still.

  • Comment 64, posted at 21.10.15 15:34:00 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 61) : @ChrisS (Comment 62) :

    Patience and a good kicking game is required.

    The AB’s do not play rugby in their own half unless they chase the game. Force them out of their comfort zones, grass the ball behind Savea and Nehe. Force them to make decisions and they will only do that when you shut down their preferred options or style of playing.

  • Comment 65, posted at 21.10.15 15:35:23 by Morné Reply
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  • @Hulk (Comment 63) : Got an address? :lol:

  • Comment 66, posted at 21.10.15 15:35:39 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 65) : Heard it might rain on Saturday. If it does then we can turn them and force them into making mistakes. Not pretty but it’s effective.

  • Comment 67, posted at 21.10.15 15:36:51 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 65) : By all accounts its meant to rain so kicking the ball so that it lands on the wet grass and they have to play it from there will def frustrate them. Even if it goes out they need to restart from the lineout where we compete well.

  • Comment 68, posted at 21.10.15 15:38:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 67) :

    Will definitely rain on Saturday – and it will rain the hardest around kick off time than earlier in the day.

    It gives us an extra 5%, game changed from a 40/60 to a 45/55 for me.

    We have a chance, not a great one, but we have one.

  • Comment 69, posted at 21.10.15 15:38:50 by Morné Reply
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  • Play the territory, be patient, remain disciplined. Those will be my 3 key factors or points I will tell the players.

  • Comment 70, posted at 21.10.15 15:40:27 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 69) : I would feel more cofortable with Lambie or Steyn starting the game as their tactical kicking is better than Pollard’s.

    He makes me nervous as I think he might try to get too fancy in the wet weather. I like his attacking style but lately he seems a bit selfish and brash. I hope he proves me wrong.

  • Comment 71, posted at 21.10.15 15:41:31 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 68) : If it rains then we have a real chance. Our forwards can hold their own against the All Black forwards. Our backs are our weakness.

  • Comment 72, posted at 21.10.15 15:45:17 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 69) : Why do you think rain favours us,these guys are born in the rain,spend their whole lives in the rain,rain is their natural habitat.
    In my book rain swings it 20 % more their way.

  • Comment 73, posted at 21.10.15 15:45:38 by The hound Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 72) : Yeh agree. Both Argies and Romania made life very uncomfortable for the All Blacks by smashing them up front. Lay that platform and we in with a shout.

  • Comment 74, posted at 21.10.15 15:49:24 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 73) : Rain is an equaliser as it prevents the ball being tossed around as much.

    I think their flyhalves do play the rain game better than us though. Their kicks are contestable or land on the grass whereas ours usually go down a man’s throat and he has 10-15m of free space to run back in and build up speed.

  • Comment 75, posted at 21.10.15 15:50:32 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 73) :

    Rain slows the pace of the game down equally for everyone.

    If you take away their ability to control pace, especially quick pace which they like, you benefit.

    It becomes tighter, and more physical, and there we can compete.

  • Comment 76, posted at 21.10.15 15:52:52 by Morné Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 31) : How dare you sir? :roll:

  • Comment 77, posted at 21.10.15 15:53:43 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 74) : We have to smother and slow down their ball so Flo, Schalk, Vermeulen, Bissie and de Allende have to be all over the ball like a fat kid on a cupcake! If they get any quick ball then they can hurt us. They seem to be a bit fitter and usually hurt us in the last 15-20 minutes of our matches against them.

    We looked good earlier this year against them.

  • Comment 78, posted at 21.10.15 15:53:51 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 76) : Exactly what I just said. You beat me to it.

  • Comment 79, posted at 21.10.15 15:54:29 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 31) : I don’t think he’s quite low enough yet! Haha!

  • Comment 80, posted at 21.10.15 15:55:29 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 78) : They are definitely fitter than us so how Meyer uses his bench will be key. Backs can go on early but id run the forwards till they dead then sub. Dont just sub for the sake of it, unless someone having a shocker.

  • Comment 81, posted at 21.10.15 15:56:33 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 76) : We have no wet ball skills period,and if you take into account Burger and deJager’s inability to hold onto a dry ball,and they are our key ball players and the beginning of every move we make,your argument is not very sound.
    Carter is going to get many penalty opportunities.

  • Comment 82, posted at 21.10.15 16:00:36 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 57) : The ones at the Shark cage are faulty..your team need to at least reach the semi’s before blind-supporter-shades actually work.

    Sharks goggles need a recharge ;-)

  • Comment 83, posted at 21.10.15 16:01:42 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 82) : See comment 49.

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  • @The hound (Comment 82) : Don’t forget Jannie in that although he has got better recently.

  • Comment 85, posted at 21.10.15 16:03:16 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 83) : I think you got the sunglasses for the guys that sit on the East stand instead of the Supporter Goggles. They easily confused. The Supporter Goggles lenses are a lot thicker and come with a refund voucher for season tickets :) The sales people there should be able to help you out

  • Comment 86, posted at 21.10.15 16:06:41 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 60) : I’m going for the “Tortoise and the Hare” fairy tale ending here. :grin:

  • Comment 87, posted at 21.10.15 16:07:16 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 86) : East stand supporter goggles could also never see past Frans Steyn….mostly worn by people who traded their Bulls goggles for the then fancied Sharks goggles….they recently traded their Sharks goggles for Lions and Streamers goggles – Streamers goggles were going for a fraction of the cost though…until they heard about the appointment of Eddie Jones – their prices saw a sharp increase after that. :twisted:

  • Comment 88, posted at 21.10.15 16:13:34 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • I think we would have stood a much better chance if we had a fully fit Alberts and Marcell in the loose trio. Burger and Flouw don’t offer much.

  • Comment 89, posted at 21.10.15 16:14:31 by Ben Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 88) : Eddie Jones traded the red and white stripes for blue and white for a little before he tries out the all white :) Rumours are the sharks will be playing the 2016 super rugby in the 1990s kit in honour of the past…it was going to be a replica kit but due to the sharks not hosting any playoff games the actual kit worn in 1990s is being pulled out to wear. In other rumours the entire Bulls CC side will turn out for Tuks in the Varsity Cup in an attempt to win it back.

  • Comment 90, posted at 21.10.15 16:18:30 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 89) : We definitely miss Marcell’s energy around the field!

  • Comment 91, posted at 21.10.15 16:19:03 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 89) : Supporting the Boks this Saturday will require the ability to shun all rational thinking…don’t look at the evidence – approach this as a fantasy fairy tale that always ends with a happy ending.

    As soon as we consider all the reason why the Boks won’t win this semi, we’ll feel completely discouraged.

    This is Sharks CC Final 1990, Boks RWC Final 1995, Sharks CC Semi 2010 and 13-man Sharks vs. Saders SR 2014 all rolled into one…dare to dream for the impossible. ;-)

  • Comment 92, posted at 21.10.15 16:22:08 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 90) : That rumor mill of yours seems to be very hard at work :shock: :smile:

  • Comment 93, posted at 21.10.15 16:23:30 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 92) : I hear you! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 94, posted at 21.10.15 16:32:00 by Ben Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 82) : Again, patience, territory, discipline. Would have liked to have seen Alberts, Steyn and Lambie in this team but I am giving us a chance.

  • Comment 95, posted at 21.10.15 18:13:48 by Morné Reply
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  • No-one plays well or is suited for wet weather rugby. WP tried to sell that myth for decades

  • Comment 96, posted at 21.10.15 18:25:07 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 95) : I assume you mean Morné Steyn? Would you have Morné at 10 and Lambie at 15?

  • Comment 97, posted at 21.10.15 18:58:12 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 97) : Just rewatched the Bok game in Hamilton where we beat NZ and won the TriNations. The team’s discipline that day won us the game. Frans Steyn at fullback was a sight to behold.

  • Comment 98, posted at 21.10.15 20:34:55 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 97) : The same

  • Comment 99, posted at 22.10.15 00:28:01 by Morné Reply
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  • Greetings all…I’m back. If it does rain, the two players that make me most nervous are Pollard and Willie *shiver*…
    Go Boks!

  • Comment 100, posted at 22.10.15 06:02:24 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 100) : By “nervous” I’m assuming you mean a candidate for a heart attack!

    I’m watching the game with a trained trauma nurse and a defibrillator at hand…CLEAR!!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 101, posted at 22.10.15 07:28:12 by ChrisS Reply
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  • Managed to finally watch the AB-French QF last night. It was not like the French team was so bad (not that much worse than the usual from a Bok side) – the All Blacks were just in a different class. I have never seen back line hand speed of that kind before. It must be near impossible to defend against.

    We are really are up against it. At least that usually means the Boks will be very motivated. Boks will have to drag NZ down to our level – not allow them to get going with that fast paced game.

  • Comment 102, posted at 22.10.15 07:57:33 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 102) : Got to agree with that. I watched that game and wondered how we were going to stop them moving the ball so quickly.

  • Comment 103, posted at 22.10.15 08:02:52 by Hulk Reply

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  • What bothers me will be rucks I don’t think our loosies bar Duane is up to it.

  • Comment 104, posted at 22.10.15 08:03:06 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 102) : They were impressive vs France. Tne other side of the coin is their performances vs Argies, Romania and even Georgia. All those games they were attacked up front and made uncomfortable resulting in lots of handling errors. And maybe that is the key

  • Comment 105, posted at 22.10.15 08:05:41 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I see we all have some concerns all over the field from lock to pivot and full back. Does not bode well it seems we have an uneven match in terms of form. Then the contentious gameplan…. (singular) as it does not seem HM has any other plan.

  • Comment 106, posted at 22.10.15 08:07:57 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 105) : If our loosies are able to win back. I’m still not sure about that. Add some pressure to our flyhalf and the aging flanker standing off scrumhalf. ..we may just have nullified our counter capabilities.

  • Comment 107, posted at 22.10.15 08:10:16 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 107) : I think with 1 tweak to our game plan, Schalk playing to the ball instead of ball carrier, i think we would fare a lot better. We have a good tight 5. I do expect to see DuPreez kick a lot off 9 which im not sure if im excited about…guess time will tell

  • Comment 108, posted at 22.10.15 08:14:21 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 105) : I would not read too much into the pool games – almost got the feeling they were pacing themselves for the play-off games. But yes – our only chance is to take them on up front. We are going to need huge games from all the tight forwards (all 9 of them) especially. The wet ball should at least slow down their fast paced game, but poor kicks from FdP, Pollard, Willie or Schalk :mrgreen: will result in us not seeing the ball for a while.

  • Comment 109, posted at 22.10.15 08:15:48 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 109) : Yeh i agree, reading too much into pool games is like reading a lot into preseason friendlies. I do think the All Blacks possibly exposed 1 or 2 areas in those games though in that if they are made to feel uncomfortable they to tend to try too hard and hence the errors. I really do think we should be playing all our loose forwards to the ball in this game. Let the locks or even DeAllende carry the ball if we want it taken up off 9.

  • Comment 110, posted at 22.10.15 08:20:58 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Listening to Jeff Wilson basically mock Stransky about our basic gameplan….I wonder whether HM hasn’t kept our gameplan this “dumb” due to our players playing a different style at every franchise (and then there are the overseas players too).

    JW brought the same dumbed down gameplan to the Sharks (and the Boks), and he possibly felt that it was the fastest way to get quick results without over complicating things.

    It is however wonderful to hear how (dare I say: OVER-)confident the NZ supporters/ex-players are, and they just about have to bite their lip to not talk about the final already.

    They’ve probably already cleared a space for old Webb Ellis….

  • Comment 111, posted at 22.10.15 08:22:23 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 111) : JW’s plan was to refuse to play with the ball – using good kicking (especially utilizing Frans’s big boot), rock solid defense and only attack when in the 22.

    HM’s plan actually involves less kicking, and the Boks do have a lot more possession, but our 1-D attack just gets nowhere against good defensive systems and forwards that can match ours physically.

  • Comment 112, posted at 22.10.15 08:29:26 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 105) : @Bokhoring (Comment 109) : @SheldonK (Comment 110) : I read on Stuff.co.nz that the All Blacks deliberately put themselves under pressure during the pool phases by kicking for the line instead of for poles and by trying to keep the ball in hand more. They also had (in the players’ words) the hardest training sessions ever in terms of physicality.

    The point of this was to get all of the players battle-hardened for the knock-out phases and avoid the problems they had in 2007 and 2011 when their pools were too easy.

    Steve Hansen also said that the All Blacks had held back a lot of their moves and I think that the result was clear to see in the French game. That’s some of the best rugby I’ve ever seen in my life.

  • Comment 113, posted at 22.10.15 08:41:13 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 112) : Frans Steyn’s big boot,hell we never realise what we have till its not there.Frans is so much more of a potent weapon than deAllende,who is totally one dimensional and utterly predictable.Which is something you could never cause Frans of being.
    The opposition never know what he will do,and he can do anything.Kick ,tackle,run,step ,unfortunately all I have ever seen deAllende do is try and run over the opposition,I don’t think he has passed the ball once this WC.

  • Comment 114, posted at 22.10.15 08:41:20 by The hound Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 111) : I don’t think it’s the diffeent playing styles at each franchise. I think that it’s more about a lack of skills.

    In NZ the junior players play in weight categories and not age groups. This means that you always play against kids your size so you can’t just run over them. Instead, you have to develop ball skills (think Retallick, Woodcock, Coles) in order to get around them. In SA we have big kids who run over little kids their whole lives and then don’t know what to do when facing someone their own size or bigger than them.

    I remember reading an article years ago where the Boks were in NZ. Rassie Erasmus and a few of the Boks were doing a coaching session at a local high school and were going to help the school kids with their skills. The Boks let the high school kids run through their skills drills while they watched.

    After the kids had finished Rassie called the Boks into a huddle. The gist of his message to them was that the Boks didn’t dare run their skills moves after having seen what the kids could do because they would just be embarrassed. The Boks instead challenged the kids to a fun game of touch rugby.

    What does it say about the skill levels of our country and the coaching when our national team feels that they can’t compete with a school team from another country? And that was just a school team, not even a provincial age-group team!

  • Comment 115, posted at 22.10.15 08:48:51 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 114) : To be fair, Frans became very one dimensional after the 2007 World Cup. All he tried to do was run over the opposition and he stopped passing or trying to sidestep.

  • Comment 116, posted at 22.10.15 08:50:11 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 113) : That does make sense looking back at their performances. I just wonder if the Boks manage to put them under a bit of pressure at the start will the All Blacks ‘pressured’ performances from the pool stages creep into their game again…

  • Comment 117, posted at 22.10.15 08:51:07 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 115) : Agree I posted a very similar comment on the other thread.

  • Comment 118, posted at 22.10.15 08:52:48 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 114) : Have u noticed a change in DeAllende’s play sicne the start of the world cup? Prior to in in both super rugby and the bok tests he would take the ball into contact but look to offload or pass just before etc. Now the ball is tucked under the arm and he is trying to fend the whole team off. Just something ive noticed.

  • Comment 119, posted at 22.10.15 08:52:55 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 119) : Yeah to me he’s saying fuck you Schalk I’ve finally got the ball now and I am going to hang onto it as long as I can.

  • Comment 120, posted at 22.10.15 08:55:39 by The hound Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 112) : I had an interesting chat with a guy a while ago that went to one of the Jake White coaching courses and asked him about him style of play etc. One of the things he said was that he didnt feel confident that his team would get rewarded in terms of refs decisions when they had possesion and took it into rucks and mauls etc. he felt that at the time the refereeing benefitted the team without the ball and that the fewer decisions the ref had to make for them in possession the better. its an interesting take

  • Comment 121, posted at 22.10.15 08:56:07 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 117) : If we can shut down Aaron Smith and Carter then we have a chance.

  • Comment 122, posted at 22.10.15 08:57:01 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 118) : It’s sad that the skill and flair get coached out of a lot of our players whereas New Zealand players are encouraged to be exciting.

  • Comment 123, posted at 22.10.15 08:57:53 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 119) : @The hound (Comment 120) : Good point. He does seem to be passing a lot less.

    Is it possiby a change in tactics from the Boks?

  • Comment 124, posted at 22.10.15 08:58:54 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 120) : I know the analytical software records how many times each player catches the ball and also the number of passes. id love to see those stats for both the Boks and Sharks. Just a random one about the Sharks- the guys hitting the most rucks prior to the Cheetahs game were Francois Kleinhans and Thomas Du Toit

  • Comment 125, posted at 22.10.15 08:59:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 121) : That’s a very different way of looking at things.

    Did he means refs in general at the time or would his tactics vary from ref to ref?

  • Comment 126, posted at 22.10.15 08:59:56 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 122) : Mayb they will get injured getting off the team bus ;)

  • Comment 127, posted at 22.10.15 09:00:45 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 126) : I think he was referring to the general way refs were blowing the game. And that they rewarded good defensive play more than solid attacking play. He also believed that good defensive lines from a kick makes the opposition work harder as they are all effectively offside from the kick so would need to fall back etc. He did get a lot more technical but was a little while ago so cant recall all of it exactly

  • Comment 128, posted at 22.10.15 09:03:30 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 104) : We really need Flouw to make a big step up in this game and constantly slow down their ball on attack while still staying within the law. Some of our most successful games against the AB’s were (in part) as a result of Brussouw doing this and disrupting their preferred way of playing in the process.

  • Comment 129, posted at 22.10.15 09:03:43 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 112) : Our 2009 success was 100% because of Frans Steyn’s boot, and Heinrich Brussouw.

    @ChrisS (Comment 115) : Ouch!

  • Comment 130, posted at 22.10.15 09:04:46 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 129) : Thats why i feel both Louw and Burger should play to the ball on Sat

  • Comment 131, posted at 22.10.15 09:07:27 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 129) : When we consider how beatable the Ozzies are without Pocock…then you realise how daft the Boks are for playing an out of form Flouw, and not Heinrich Brussouw. :roll:

  • Comment 132, posted at 22.10.15 09:07:49 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 132) : Or Marcel ,Kriel,Whitely,

  • Comment 133, posted at 22.10.15 09:09:42 by The hound Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 129) : Bismarck also needs a big game here he has also been sub par this tournament.

  • Comment 134, posted at 22.10.15 09:10:51 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 131) : I just have to wonder if he won’t turn into a penalty machine if he tries this now – his approach is a little to ‘hulk smash’ for my liking at times. As you know, timing is everything when playing to the ball. I’d prefer to have Duane, Flouw and Bissie taking on those responsibilities.

  • Comment 135, posted at 22.10.15 09:11:13 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 132) : @The hound (Comment 133) : Absolutely agreed but let’s not go down that particular path today, it only results in the lot of us growing balder by the second.

  • Comment 136, posted at 22.10.15 09:13:02 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 135) : Thats a fair point. I just have images of him waiting to carry the ball while we are busy being turned over at the ruck. Even if he can just be a nuisance there it can disrupt them a bit.

  • Comment 137, posted at 22.10.15 09:15:45 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 133) : Marcell and Kriel would have added some much needed speed to that loose trio of ours.

    Thankfully, by all accounts it will be a wet game…so it should (hopefully) be a very slow game – else we’ll be woefully exposed.

  • Comment 138, posted at 22.10.15 09:15:55 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 136) : @The hound (Comment 133) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 132) : Now that would be a sick combo!!!

    Imagine Whitely, Brussow and Marcell softening up the opposition and then you bring on Kriel with 25 minutes to go and tell him to run everyone off their feet! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 139, posted at 22.10.15 09:16:34 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 130) : And the Kiwi wings who could catch a cold rather than catching an up an under.

  • Comment 140, posted at 22.10.15 09:18:09 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 130) : Yeah, I was shocked when I heard how bad the skill levels are.

    I even remember someone saying that Stefan Terblanche couldn’t pass both ways when he started playing for the Boks.

    He more than sorted that out though. Wish we still had him around.

  • Comment 141, posted at 22.10.15 09:18:30 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 139) : My dream loose trio is Alberts,Whitley and Marcel,one of everything,two of most things and three of the best.

  • Comment 142, posted at 22.10.15 09:19:43 by The hound Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 130) : 2009 was a good year for us but unfortunately, because it worked so well, we stuck to that gameplan for the next 6 years instead of adapting.

    We don’t even chase kicks as well as we used to. A lot of the time the catcher has no pressure on him and is allowed to jog up the field for 20m scanning the field for all possible options.

  • Comment 143, posted at 22.10.15 09:20:26 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 142) : Good loose trio but the first name I put down is always Brussow. I’m a strong believer in having a pure fetcher in the mix.

    In any other country in the world Brussow would have had 70 test caps by now if not more.

  • Comment 144, posted at 22.10.15 09:22:18 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 142) : And your post WC dream loose trio?

  • Comment 145, posted at 22.10.15 09:56:47 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 70) :

    Morne, what is your opinion on Pollards kicking and game management? I always feel a little nervous about this part of his game. We played more than 60% of the Welsh game in our half. We have Willie at 15, who also doesn’t like to kick and though we’ve seen Fourie take more of the responsibility, the 9 is not always in the best position to take the kick needed. For example, just chipping one over a very flat (and creeping offside defence), just to keep them honest, if anything.

    I don’t think HM could change 10′s now, but Willie and Pollard together for me, does not work. Not until one of them gets their out of hand, tactical kicking game up to scratch.

    Your thoughts?

  • Comment 146, posted at 22.10.15 10:02:46 by Letgo Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 145) : Looking to the immediate future,Whitely,Marcel,Kriel next future,duPreez,duPreez,Marcel.

  • Comment 147, posted at 22.10.15 10:11:57 by The hound Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 146) : Good question.

    I think Lambie showed during the End of Year Tour last year that he has the best varied tactical kicking game. He knows when to go long and his chip over for Reinach’s try was great!

  • Comment 148, posted at 22.10.15 10:13:06 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 147) : We will run teams off their feet with that combo!

  • Comment 149, posted at 22.10.15 10:13:47 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 147) : I thought you wanted one of the twins to play lock? Or am I thinking of someone else?

  • Comment 150, posted at 22.10.15 11:23:59 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 147) : Yeh i was referring to immediate future as in the incoming tour middle of next year. Id be happy with that combo.

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