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The captaincy conundrum


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 23 Oct 2015 at 10:55
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A few eager souls have started discussing the thorny issue of captaincy for the 2016 season already, so I thought that a quiet Friday would be the perfect time to weigh in with my own opinion. Few would argue that the Sharks – particularly in Super Rugby – have battled in this area of late and it’s one where a genuine, long term solution needs to be found.

Let me start off by pointing out that I have the utmost respect for anyone asked to step up and captain a side under difficult circumstances and while I’m sure he won’t mind me saying that I don’t consider him a good fit as long term leader of the team, I do believe that Marco Wentzel has done a truly fantastic job in 2015. Initially signed as an option to increase depth in the second row (and the teach younger players how the lineout game works), Wentzel had to suffer the ignominy of being sidelined by Jake White, only to rise once more like a veritable phoenix to play just about every minute of every game for the Sharks this year – that at the age of 36. Putting personal health aside, Wentzel stepped up and took on the responsibility of being the only guy to “keep his head” when those around him were losing theirs and while the Currie Cup campaign was a disaster, I don’t feel we can genuinely apportion any of the blame in the captain’s direction.

All that being said, 2016 is a new year and if the plan is genuinely to play Wentzel into the ground once again, then I weep for the team’s prospects. With a number of stalwarts and experienced players having moved on, the time, I feel, is ripe for a fresh young captain to take control of the team and stamp his authority. Just as a raw Gary Teichmann stepped up in 1995 and became the talisman of the Sharks “team of the nineties”, so we need a leader to do the same 20 years later; and if he were “home grown” like Teichmann, so much the better, I feel.

Let’s have a look at a few candidates and try to assess the pro’s and con’s of each.

- Patrick Lambie seems the obvious choice in many ways, ticking virtually every box. He is calm under fire, respected by team mates and opponents alike, home grown, young, brave (even fearless) and is in many ways the “poster boy” of Sharks rugby. My only real concern with Pat, though, is whether he genuinely wants the job and has the force of personality required to pull it off. He’s a very deep thinker, is Paddy, but is naturally laid back and quite reserved, qualities, I feel, which led to Keegan Daniel’s ultimate downfall as captain. A definite leading contender and hopefully my reservations are unfounded.

- Tera Mtembu was asked to step up in last year’s Currie Cup and I thought he did very well for a young captain who in parallel needed to establish himself as a starting option in the team. 2015 been a tough year for him, though, with injury keeping him out of the entire Currie Cup, while Super Rugby options were limited given competition for the number 8 jersey. A fully fit Tera is a player that the Sharks absolutely need to come through for them this season and he absolutely has to prove that he deserves to start at number 8 ahead of new man Philip van der Walt. That’s likely to be a tough enough challenge as it is and I feel that Tera would be best suited for a vice captaincy role in Super Rugby, with Currie Cup being the time when he once more leads the team.

- Philip van der Walt is a player who adds immense value and leads from the front, but doesn’t come with any real captaincy pedigree. Asked to lead the team once in Currie Cup this year, he did admirably, but my preference is for a player who has come up through the Sharks ranks and is likely to be committed to the union long term. I’m not saying van der Walt isn’t committed, but I’d like to see how things go with him before committing to him as a long-term captaincy option.

- Jean Deysel has done it before, but has a rather chequered disciplinary record of late and arguably needs to find form based on an injury-free run before any discussion about captaincy would make sense. While I have tremendous respect for the man and the player, there are younger, better options at loose forward for the Sharks. The same argument would apply to another potential elder statesman as captain, Odwa Ndungane.

- Call me a romantic, but I would love to see a guy like Thomas du Toit captain the Sharks one day. This man, to me, embodies passion for the team and could, I’m sure, step up to become a great prop captain in the mould of Ireland’s Nick Popplewall, Samoa’s Peter Fatialofa or Bok legend Hannes Marais. He’s still only 20, though and seemingly in the midst of a very tricky positional switch, so the time is not right for Thomas, even if it might be in years to come.

- Monde Hadebe is a guy who has captained with success at lower levels of the game, but is currently in a bit of a logjam at hooker and struggling (in my mind) to prove he has the goods to be a guaranteed starter at Super Rugby or even Currie Cup level. You can’t have a captain who isn’t sure of his place and Monde has work to be done before any talk of further honours would make sense.

Call me crazy, but I’m not seeing anyone to seriously challenge Pat Lambie for this job. Are you?



85 Comments

  • Pat all the way!

  • Comment 1, posted at 23.10.15 10:58:12 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • Pat for president, Tera and Phillip as vice-captains, Thomas as minister in the presidency (aka. the guy who moers those who question the president)

  • Comment 2, posted at 23.10.15 11:10:51 by Culling Song Reply
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  • I have watched Pat since he was a junior school boy at Clifton,and have always been his number one fan ,but Pat as a captain ,no.Dan Carter as a captain, no.
    The role does not suit them,
    We have no home grown Gary Teich right now to step into the breach, that should have been Warren Whitely , so next best thing would be Michael Claassens for all the reasons why Fourie du Preez was the right guy to step up at the Boks.

  • Comment 3, posted at 23.10.15 11:11:13 by The hound Reply
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  • I take it you didn’t consider any of the Japan boys?

    …if Pat has a similar personality to Keegan, then he’s more than qualified in my book – Sharks probably need a more laid back captain, as apposed to a chest-beating dictator which the guys up north seem to prefer.

    …and after Pat, I’d take Thomas any day of the week – I prefer my captain to be among the forwards, as backline players offer very little when the scrum becomes an issue and the ref needs a talking to.

  • Comment 4, posted at 23.10.15 11:16:21 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • I don’t know about Pat, you need someone willing to ‘manipulate’ the ref to your team’s advantage (the lifetime achievement award in this category going to Richie McCaw). Pat just seems way too principled and good natured for this to be honest.

    How about Jacques Potgieter as a left-field choice? Technically, he is a Sharks man having played his junior rugby here.

  • Comment 5, posted at 23.10.15 11:19:53 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Marcell Coetzee

  • Comment 6, posted at 23.10.15 11:24:17 by JarsonX Reply
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  • Its a tough call this one. Pat would def be my front runner having captained the u21 side that won the CC very well. My only concern is if we want to appoint a guy with a long term view is that im not sure how long Pat will stay in Durban. I know that he will look with genuine interest at any offers from the UK but not Japan

  • Comment 7, posted at 23.10.15 11:25:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JarsonX (Comment 6) : Same problem as Lambie in my opinion. Too good natured. Also concerned that it may detract from his contributions to the game.

  • Comment 8, posted at 23.10.15 11:26:21 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 5) : I can see Potgieter there. But we would need him to come back permanently. Honestly can’t back hadebe until he can show he is the only choice for his position which he currently ain’t. Tera ditto..at flank and at eight there are guys who are ahead of him. We can gain a captain and lose a percentage of skill points. We need a best of both.

  • Comment 9, posted at 23.10.15 11:27:13 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 9) : If we use Jacques Potgieter at 4 as some have suggested I suspect he’ll automatically be first choice in that position.

  • Comment 10, posted at 23.10.15 11:29:45 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Given the oodles of discipline guys will be getting from Rob and Omar. ..I say the captain should be a brash hard arse to ensure training discipline translates to the field. That immediately filters many candidates out. Pity we can’t have Frans Steyn back. He would fit….

  • Comment 11, posted at 23.10.15 11:30:17 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 10) : Ja but he must become a permanent fixture. .so buy him out of jap commitment if we can.

  • Comment 12, posted at 23.10.15 11:31:20 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 11) : That’s a very good point.

  • Comment 13, posted at 23.10.15 11:31:31 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 11) : i must admit i enjoyed Steyn when he captained for that brief stint.

  • Comment 14, posted at 23.10.15 11:32:17 by SheldonK Reply

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  • If we announce Lood de Jager as captain would that help convince him to come to Durban? :twisted:

    I’d be more than willing to throw out the “Durban boy” provision for captaincy were that the case :grin:

  • Comment 15, posted at 23.10.15 11:33:00 by vanmartin Reply
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  • This is a real toughie.

    I’d go for Pat. He seems like he could get the players behind him and he makes intelligent choices.

  • Comment 16, posted at 23.10.15 11:35:58 by StevieS Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 14) : C’mon man short memory ,at that stage Frans had just returned fro France 50 kgs overweight and looked like Jannie duPE with long legs,he could hardly breathe let alone run.

  • Comment 17, posted at 23.10.15 11:40:33 by The hound Reply
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  • If he’s going to be around for a while then Pat is the best option. With Marcell being in Japan I don’t think we can make him the captain.

  • Comment 18, posted at 23.10.15 11:42:15 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 15) : I like that idea! It’s settled…Lood for captain! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 19, posted at 23.10.15 11:43:16 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 17) : No look he was certainly in the Matt Stevens conditioning category then but i just liked what he brought to the captaincy table. he led from the front (probably cos nobody could get around him) but it also looked like nobody questioned him and just followed.

  • Comment 20, posted at 23.10.15 11:43:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Pat is well respected. And if he’s willing to do it he’ll do one hell of a job I think. Being good natured certainly wouldn’t make him a bad captain. He’ll lead by example, walk softly and carry a big stick.

    That stick being the combo of Coetzee and Frank the Tank to knock heads together should it be needed.

  • Comment 21, posted at 23.10.15 12:06:59 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • I think it’s Pat’s to turn down. Traditionally a lock or loose forward like Marcell or Lewies would make sense however Pat has earned his stripes and the respect of the team.

  • Comment 22, posted at 23.10.15 12:12:29 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • I feel like it should be someone who came through the ranks and automatic first choice.

    Tendai Mtawarira (Beast should be one of the guys who start regularly and the guys will look at him from an experience perspective, but he is a very quiet guy and don’t seem like he would care to do to much talking on the field).

    Cobus Reinach

    Yeah, don’t think that will work and most people feel he shouldn’t start. Not the type of character you want to be talking to the ref.

    Andre Esterhuizen

    He could be a possibility, but probably not yet. He also seems like a guy who does his talking on field.

    Heimar Williams

    If he could nail down a starting position. He’s captained at age group levels.

    S’bura Sithole
    Paul Jordaan
    Lwazi Mvovo
    JP Pietersen

    Never really saw captain in any of them??? Backline players?

    Pat Lambie

    Also my obvious choice with Marcel and possibly Thomas. I just like the idea of picking a young group of players.

    Marcel Coetzee

    Marcel is so loyal to the Sharks and seem to already be one of the guys who talk to the players when things get tough or tight, I would definitely make him one of my captains this year (I’m picking 2).

    Thomas du Toit (I would love to see a group of younger players being identified as leaders, but like Rob mentioned Thomas is trying to make a positional switch right now and should concentrate on that first and foremost).

    I would throw Tera/ Lewies in there to, but both are a little injury prone.

  • Comment 23, posted at 23.10.15 12:16:52 by Letgo Reply
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  • This article really shows we don’t have a great option as captain. I have no issues with Lambie at Captain for all the reasons listed but always feel I want a captain in the Teichman mould, a character with grunt.

    We don’t have that and so I’d back Pat as the official captain but would have a leadership structure much like the Boks had with Smit in charge. Have an overall capatin – Pat. Our lineout / forwards captain (so if there is funny stuff happening he can be involved when talking to the ref) – maybe Potgieter?

  • Comment 24, posted at 23.10.15 12:18:46 by Hulk Reply

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  • Michael Classes is the man, you Sharkies should be putting money on. A consummate professional, and I am sure he captained Bath and at the Cheetahs. By far the most experienced and consistent SH in the Sharks squad.

  • Comment 25, posted at 23.10.15 12:19:54 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • So in short,

    Pat, Marcell, Thomas

  • Comment 26, posted at 23.10.15 12:22:12 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Hulk (Comment 24) : i think the lack of good contenders is due to the number of departures in recent times together with this Japanese distraction

  • Comment 27, posted at 23.10.15 12:22:46 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 27) : Agreed 100%.

  • Comment 28, posted at 23.10.15 12:27:59 by Hulk Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 7) : “ I know that he will look with genuine interest at any offers from the UK”

    How do you know ow this?

  • Comment 29, posted at 23.10.15 12:28:41 by Ben Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 25) : Good option, but how long term is it?

  • Comment 30, posted at 23.10.15 12:30:54 by StevieS Reply
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  • Does anybody know whether the de Jager thing is even possible? I thought I’d implied on this site ages ago that this had been tried and failed – might be wrong? If we get him, we might as well go the full hog and solve our wing problem with Sergeal and Rhule and play 25% of our home games in Bloem…

  • Comment 31, posted at 23.10.15 12:31:40 by JR Reply

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  • If not, I’d have thought the obvious places to go looking are the two provinces that are over-stocked with promising young locks…

  • Comment 32, posted at 23.10.15 12:32:40 by JR Reply

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  • @StevieS (Comment 30) : I get your concern, but this is going to be a building year, and even as a short term option, he can add value, and maybe groom a long term option, that may step to the fore

  • Comment 33, posted at 23.10.15 12:33:37 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 23) : @Hulk (Comment 24) : What about having two captains the way the Chiefs and Highlanders have operated for the last few years?

    It allows for squad rotation. The Sharks have been guilty for the last few years of playing their captain every week.

  • Comment 34, posted at 23.10.15 12:34:11 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @JR (Comment 32) : yes exactly.

  • Comment 35, posted at 23.10.15 12:34:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 29) : Lets just say mutual friends. But yeh its true.

  • Comment 36, posted at 23.10.15 12:35:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 25) : @StevieS (Comment 30) : @KingCheetah (Comment 33) : What about Classens as co-captain with Marcell and Lambie and Tera as vice-captains? That way they can learn to captain without putting too much pressure on them.

  • Comment 37, posted at 23.10.15 12:35:53 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 36) : If Lambie leaves then we are really in the faecal matter! :shock: :sad:

  • Comment 38, posted at 23.10.15 12:37:44 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 37) : @KingCheetah (Comment 33) : Lambie and Claasens as co-captains.

  • Comment 39, posted at 23.10.15 12:38:25 by StevieS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 38) : He is big on family so would be a big decision from him. But also know he is open to experience something new for a short while, def not permanent.

  • Comment 40, posted at 23.10.15 12:43:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JR (Comment 31) : Take the Lood comments with a pinch of salt. It’s sort of a running joke by now but also a way to retaliate against KingCheetah’s stirring on here :twisted:

    Would be awesome if the Sharks could make it happen but I seriously doubt it.

  • Comment 41, posted at 23.10.15 12:51:04 by vanmartin Reply
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  • First priority for me would be to get rid of this home grown sentiment as a criteria for a good captain. That will just hamstring your choice of selecting the best man for the job.

  • Comment 42, posted at 23.10.15 12:59:23 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 35) : Do you have a view on who the best of them are? Most the obvious guys are no.5 locks that I can think of – we probably need at least one but any decent no.4s?

  • Comment 43, posted at 23.10.15 12:59:30 by JR Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 42) : I’d agree with you if there was a clear choice, but at this point I’m not sure if there is one. I’m not a fan of making someone captain if it’s their first year with the union either, so that rules out a lot of experienced options right now.

  • Comment 44, posted at 23.10.15 13:16:28 by Hulk Reply

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  • Phillip van der Walt and Lambie his vice. #Everitt and Gold must fall.

  • Comment 45, posted at 23.10.15 13:17:27 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • My 3 would be Marcel (if he was willing) with the 2 blikore as my prefered choices. With them we would have the added advantage of being available for all competitions as they probably wont get Bok call ups.

  • Comment 46, posted at 23.10.15 13:26:03 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Anyway, its going to be a long competition so I would happy if they chose a squad captain with match day captains, we need to move away from the “captain must start” notion.

  • Comment 47, posted at 23.10.15 13:28:38 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 47) : Fair point.

  • Comment 48, posted at 23.10.15 13:59:46 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 47) : Actually I like that idea.

  • Comment 49, posted at 23.10.15 14:06:46 by Hulk Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 36) : I really won’t blame the guy.

  • Comment 50, posted at 23.10.15 14:08:29 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 50) : I still reckon he will finish his career at the Sharks…

  • Comment 51, posted at 23.10.15 14:10:19 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 48) : I have always felt that the right captain is the most important part in the success of any team,there’re so many examples,but close to home Stormers with and without Vermullen,England with and without Martin Johnson.Mallets Boks with and without Teich,
    The only two exceptions to the rule are A.Bs who have a Reid option to McCaw and the Lions Kriel for Whitely.
    We haven’t had a decent captain since Stephan Terreblanche

  • Comment 52, posted at 23.10.15 14:10:23 by The hound Reply
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  • Get Josh Strauss he and Phillip wil make a killer blindside and nr 8 combo and can alternate as captains and at flank and eight man.

  • Comment 53, posted at 23.10.15 14:27:24 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 53) : The death of his Scotland career which he’s waited patiently for and the immediate departure of Kleinhans and both du Preez boys due to lack of opportunity being the drawback to that idea…

  • Comment 54, posted at 23.10.15 14:34:56 by JR Reply

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  • @JR (Comment 54) : Ja besides I think we must rather fish for locks and hookers. Craig Burden and Chilliboy as alternate hookers. Craig as alternate captain. Al Hargreaves and Lewies for lock Al as captain with Mcdulling Giant and Wentzel as backup locks. Can we not for a change get something good back from Saracens?

  • Comment 55, posted at 23.10.15 14:54:16 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 55) : I admit I’m not too keen on the idea of either Chilli or Burden. We’ve got some good experience in the squad, lets invest in youth, even if it somebody else’s. I suspect Malcolm Marx will be first choice at the Lions next year – otherwise I thought he looked incredibly impressive – and wonder whether Corniel Els at the Bulls is available and as still as good as he looked like he was going to be a couple of years ago? Similarly, if we’re going to get a lock in, lets get a young guy in and build something we can all get excited in.

  • Comment 56, posted at 23.10.15 15:14:10 by JR Reply

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  • @JR (Comment 56) : They are youngish. Besides while we build we need to have some older guys to sustain us. It doesn’t mean we can’t get younger guys to play off the bench and learn the ropes. As for chili he can only play again on April which is a bit late.

  • Comment 57, posted at 23.10.15 15:34:46 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 57) : Wouldn’t touch chilli. And burden won’t come back.

  • Comment 58, posted at 24.10.15 05:22:29 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • Du Preez or Lambie for captain – passionate liteys who seem to revel in being Sharks. That would be my hope anyway.

  • Comment 59, posted at 24.10.15 13:36:22 by Mephisto_Shark Reply

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  • marcell all the way

  • Comment 60, posted at 24.10.15 15:57:44 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • This is a very tricky question. I did mention before that as great a player as Lambie is, I just for some reason don’t see him as the leader we need. Not taking anything away from the lad and should he captain the side I hope he proves me wrong.

    As for Marcel, perhaps he could be a potential candidate. My only question is (and I could be wrong) that he was never even deputy or was he? If not does that mean that those closest does not rate him as a leader or he is simply not interested.

  • Comment 61, posted at 25.10.15 18:54:43 by Farlington Reply

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  • @Farlington (Comment 61) : tera to captain, all this nonsense of he needs to be the best in his position is garbage, keegan was a super sub but they made him captain and he started a lot of games when there were better options at flank. If they believe tera to be a good leader than they need to back him despite his competition at flank.

    Sharks starting 15 for super rugby.

    1.Beast
    2. Cooper
    3.Adriaanse
    4.Poitgtr
    5.Mc dulling
    6.Marcel
    7.Dan dupreez
    8.Tera mtembu
    9.Cobus
    10. Inny radebe
    11.Eusteuhzn
    12.Lambie
    13. Sbura sithole
    14.Jp
    15.Mvovo

    16.Monde
    17.Mzamo majola
    18.Thomas
    19.Lewis
    20.Khaya majola
    21. Ungera
    22.Petersen
    23.Jordan

  • Comment 62, posted at 26.10.15 06:57:14 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 62) : Def not your conventional side. Interesting…

  • Comment 63, posted at 26.10.15 08:23:09 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 63) : even if you change inny for petersen but lambie stays at 12 our best wing is a centre right now so leave him at wing where he creates instead of crashing at centre

  • Comment 64, posted at 26.10.15 08:52:45 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 62) : No place for Willie?

  • Comment 65, posted at 26.10.15 09:06:03 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 65) : forgot about him. Mvovo takes jps place and willie goes to fullback. Jordan drops out of 23

  • Comment 66, posted at 26.10.15 09:18:36 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 64) : Id rather play Inny and Lambie than Peterson and Lambie. And yes id leave Esterhuizen on the wing. I see u havtn gone with Classens, Jean Luc DuPreez or Phillip Van Der Walt.

  • Comment 67, posted at 26.10.15 09:34:40 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 67) : those guys can come into play when we have to rotate and if they perform better than our starting team than we give them another shot only way we build depth and we have competition for places

    Best vs majola, adrianse vs the tank, kyle vs monde vs franco, portgtr vs lewis vs oosthzn, mc dulling vs wentzl vs giant, marcel vs majola vs jean luc vs dan, tera vs philip etc I feel we need to create proper competition for places and if the reserve performs better they are rewarded with another chance maybe even a start. Far to many people feel they can walk into the starting line up because of rep people need to start earning that jersey

  • Comment 68, posted at 26.10.15 09:50:16 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 62) : And no Coenie?

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  • @Poisy (Comment 68) : Thats a fair call. Would you give a guy more than 1 chance though or if say Inny has a bad game and Peterson comes on and does well…who then starts the next week? Interested to hear your thoughts on rewarding form vs giving a guy a proper chance

  • Comment 70, posted at 26.10.15 09:53:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • While I am a big fan of Lambie and his calmness is a major strength…I am not yet convinced of him as captain. I also don’t have an answer to the conundrum at this stage…

  • Comment 71, posted at 26.10.15 09:54:19 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 68) : I seriously think that if Pat is not handled properly this year he will leave.Watching him on Saturday you can see his frustration at not being given game time.Any coach who plays him at 12 is going to speed up his departure.
    He will move to a club like Toulon,who will appreciate his talent pay him a fortune and make him into a superstar.

  • Comment 72, posted at 26.10.15 09:55:28 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 72) : ja must say don’t think Pat will stay if HM remains Bok coach.

  • Comment 73, posted at 26.10.15 10:04:53 by JD Reply
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  • Of all the players named only Pat is a natural leader and number 1 choice in his position!!!!!!!!!! Maybe it’s time to give Pat a chance to show what he brings as captain!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 74, posted at 26.10.15 10:08:11 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 70) : the next week you give petersen more time on the park maybe 30min and if he is still outperforming inny than petersen needs to start the next game inny on bench and inny now has to take his jersey back by playing better. If he can’t handle it bring on the next guy. These guys are proffesionals it is a result driven business give your all or nothing at all.we are not disney land they can’t just come here and have a holiday and collect they pay they need to graft and want to do well we need to want to win every single competition we are in and win every single game. If the mind has that mentality throughout most the players what they might lack in talent can make up for with attitude and taking pride in they performance as a team. When and if they lose it must feel gut wrenching not this bullshit of we lost by 1 to crusaders in newzealand so we did well! Fuck that they need to go to new zealand or any country and find a way to win as a unit and earn they damn pay

  • Comment 75, posted at 26.10.15 10:08:19 by Poisy Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 72) : @JD (Comment 73) : if pat wants to leave than he will leave regardless where you play him. And we need to accept that make peace with it and move on . He has been a star player for us and is our poster boy for sharks rugby but nobody is irreplaceable and maybe a break from south africa will do him the world of good.

  • Comment 76, posted at 26.10.15 10:13:13 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 76) : I just think it would be very short sighted not to play the best flyhallf in the country at anywhere else than fly half.He is the best and we should be doing every thing we can to keep him.

  • Comment 77, posted at 26.10.15 10:22:34 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 77) : imo he hasn’t played like the best flyhalf in the country and I think a lot of that has to do with the players inside and outside of him. If they gonna play him at flyhalf than they need to pick players that compliment his style of play and if they don’t than they are wasting they time and hurting his chances for higher honours and hurting our chances at winning anything in super rugby

  • Comment 78, posted at 26.10.15 10:28:17 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 75) : I like your first point there. Def has good merits and covers both rewarding form and giving a guy the chance to prove himself.

  • Comment 79, posted at 26.10.15 10:34:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 62) : That’s unfortunately too adventurous of a selection for the likes of Gold but I like the way you’re thinking. Get the Sharks out of their crashball mentality.

  • Comment 80, posted at 26.10.15 10:43:49 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 78) : He hasn’t played like the best flyhalf in the country? Two questions for you.

    1. When did he play?
    2. Who played like the best flyhalf in the country?

  • Comment 81, posted at 26.10.15 11:32:38 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 81) : 2. Schalk Burger? :twisted:

  • Comment 82, posted at 26.10.15 11:35:26 by Ben Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 77) : Don’t say best flyhalf in the country else we will hear how Pollard is the future. Pity he showed nothing to merit a starting berth in a world class knockout event. Or any of the games leading up to it….

  • Comment 83, posted at 26.10.15 12:09:05 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 3) : think this is a good call

  • Comment 84, posted at 26.10.15 12:53:40 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 81) :if you are gonna base it on that than you can’t say best flyhalf because he hasn’t played much due to injury when at the sharks.

  • Comment 85, posted at 26.10.15 12:56:14 by Poisy Reply
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