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Super Rugby vs Currie Cup


Written by Nkululeko Duma (Poisy)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Reader Submissions, Super Rugby on 28 Oct 2015 at 10:05
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With talk of the once-famous Currie Cup possibly being relegated to Vodacom Cup status and running alongside the ever-expanding Super Rugby competition, I thought maybe we could look at how the Currie Cup could benefit from this change.

It is not a secret that even if it stays in its current format, a lot is wrong with the Currie Cup as evident in the dwindling numbers at stadiums (guilty also, I only attended two Currie Cup games this year despite having tickets to all).

These are just ideas and everyone is welcome to criticise or come up with their own ideas, with special emphasis on how it can be beneficial rather than the pessimistic overall view the general rugby public has.

Also people should make 2 teams of 23 one for Super Rugby and one for Currie Cup if it does happen at the same time. Let’s assume halfway through super rugby the Currie Cup will start, I suggest instead of Vodacom Cup, we use that time to use our junior players to train for Currie Cup by playing exhibition matches. We can have midweek games where the top 5 Varsity Cup teams play the top 5 Currie Cup teams(2015 standings) and top 5 national club teams (2015 club champs standings) where everyone plays each other once and give it the hype the Varsity Cup gets with matches on Mondays and Wednesdays. This would expose some talent to a wider audience and keep them match fit while playing quality opposition and the coaches of the Super Rugby teams could see what they have during the week in terms of depth.

We are moving in the direction where our Super Rugby teams play each other like in Currie Cup, only with their Boks, so instead of repeating the same games minus the Boks later, we let our fixtures in Super Rugby determine Currie Cup games as well. What I mean is if we play the Bulls in Super Rugby, whatever the result is it will also be the Currie Cup result and we abolish the U19 and U21 competitions (which are outdated) and have U20′s as our curtain raisers and culminating in South African U20s being picked from those curtain raisers after Super Rugby, similar to how the Boks will get picked for the Rugby Championship. In short, we should play Currie Cup within Super Rugby, as it essentially is Currie Cup now only this way we use our Boks as well. Come Rugby Champs I feel we should have an U20 tournament as curtain raisers for all matches in the senior Rugby Championship.

I know this doesn’t really address what happens to teams like the Pumas, but I’m open to what you think we should do about them.



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  • I like the idea of each country or region playing a domestic tournament (like the Currie Cup in SA) to determine who should play the finals (current Super Rugby). I would say the top 3 teams of each comp go through to the Super Rugby finals where each team play one another once or twice.

  • Comment 1, posted at 28.10.15 10:25:34 by bokbok Reply
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  • @bokbok (Comment 1) : problem with that is the aussies, they do not have a local comp.

  • Comment 2, posted at 28.10.15 10:32:20 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 2) : They do now, its not amazing but its in its 2nd year

  • Comment 3, posted at 28.10.15 10:39:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Read point 4 and 5.

    5 lessons learnt from Currie Cup

    Herman Mostert – Sport24 | Sport24 09:27 27/10/2015

    Cape Town – Sport24’s Herman Mosterthighlights FIVE lessons learnt from this year’s Currie Cup competition.

    1. Lions show Springboks the way

    It was perhaps fitting that the team that had no players in the Springboks’ Rugby World Cup squad went on to win the Currie Cup.

    Not only did a lot of the Lions’ players stake a claim for higher honours, but the champions also showed the Boks what game style should be employed in the modern game.

    Johan Ackermann’s charges dazzled with their enterprising, attacking approach and won the title on the same day the Springboks were undone by a team playing in a similar manner.

    2. Bulls on right track

    Meyer, the Bulls’ former coach, may still be intent to play the one-dimensional game which brought success for him in Pretoria almost a decade ago, but under Nollis Marais it seems the Bulls are on the right track.

    Their season petered out a bit after a promising start but the Bulls’ ball-in-hand approach caught the eye of many a rugby enthusiast.

    The way they dismantled WP in the league phase is a game which stands out, as promising stars of the future like Warrick Gelant and Jamba Ulengo came to the fore.

    For the sake of South African rugby, it’s important that the Bulls take their new style forward into Super Rugby next year…

    3. Defence remains vital in modern game

    Defence is and will always remain a key element of rugby. At the current World Cup, the All Blacks and Wallabies have proved that you can play an attacking game while at the same time remaining resolute on defence.

    Currie Cup finalists Western Province had an adequate season, but their defensive frailties were badly exposed at times.

    It cost them in the final and also in round-robin defeats to the Bulls (47-29) and Golden Lions (62-32). WP’s defensive structures have deteriorated since Jacques Nienaber left to take up a job at SARU and it’s something Eddie Jones will have to resurrect when he arrives in the Mother City shortly.

    The Free State Cheetahs also learnt the hard way that you can’t win games without a sound defensive systems…

    4. Something not right at Sharks, Kings

    After a disappointing Super Rugby campaign in which they finished 11th on the overall log, things took a turn for the worse for the Sharks.

    They failed to reach the Currie Cup semi-finals, and their four victories came against the competition’s also-rans – the EP Kings (2), Pumas and Griquas.

    The Sharks had a chance to sneak into the semis but blew a 34-20 lead with four minutes remaining in their final game against Free State in Bloemfontein.

    Something is not right at the Sharks, and they have seemingly gone backwards since the arrival of Gary Gold.

    The performance of the EP Kings should also be a worry for SARU.

    The men from Port Elizabeth won only two matches to finish second from bottom on the overall log.

    This is a team that will play Super Rugby next year and given their financial problems, with players and coaches not being paid throughout the season, they could be an embarrassment for South Africa in the southern hemisphere competition in 2016.

    It was SARU’s wish to have the Kings in Super Rugby, so it’s time they step in and sort out the mess…

    5. Currie Cup faces uncertain future

    WP coach John Dobson had a point when he said the gradual watering down of the Currie Cup is threatening to ‘destroy South African rugby’s production line’.

    Yes it was a World Cup year, but the popularity of the tournament appears to be dwindling year after year, especially as the Super Rugby season becomes longer.

    Dobson said after his team’s loss to the Lions in the final: “This is probably the most poorly attended Currie Cup final that I can remember. I appreciate the Boks were playing the All Blacks on the same day, but South African rugby needs to look very carefully at what we are doing to the Currie Cup. It’s a unique selling prospect, and with so many guys playing overseas, these guys here are going so quickly from Currie Cup to Super Rugby to Springbok rugby. If we’re going to keep watering down the Currie Cup, we’re literally destroying our own rugby production line.”

    He has a point, crowd attendances were poor during this year’s Currie Cup and with talk of next year’s event possibly being expanded to 18 teams, with African nations like Namibia, Zimbabwe and Kenya included, I fear for the future popularity of the tournament…

    © 24.com

  • Comment 4, posted at 28.10.15 10:43:15 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • So interesting points in this article. Like it or not CC is now the secondary comp after super rugby. I can also see the benefit of streamlining the different comps. So from the start of the year Super rugby and Varsity Cup should run concurrently. Once Varsity Cup is finished there should be the CC qualifying comp to determine who plays in the Premier section. Once that is done then start the CC Prem Division and the u20 comp (i like the idea of that as u19 and u21 adds little value to the u20 national side). This is all while the long super rugby is taking place. Then while the Boks go off to camp the remaining players filter back into the CC Prem division till completion. This will then create the career path and production line for players after school: Varsity Cup/ u20 Comp…CC Qualifying/Prem Div…Super rugby…Boks

  • Comment 5, posted at 28.10.15 10:44:26 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 5) : I like that. We need to see more of our juniors in different competitions to see what we have and what other unions have :wink:

  • Comment 6, posted at 28.10.15 10:50:27 by Poisy Reply
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  • all this while praising the Bulls and ignoring the Lions .. fun times

  • Comment 7, posted at 28.10.15 10:58:53 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 7) : You referring to post 4? Did you miss the very first point in that post? Zibbie, your team won the Currie Cup and had a perfect CC season. Just about every rugby scribe out their is bemoaning the fact that Meyer did not include Lions players or adopt a gameplan more similar to the Lions. Some (most?) are calling for Meyer’s head as a result. Some even want Ackers in his place. Your team is being acknowledged. Maybe not by Meyer but he’s losing credibility by the minute it seems. It’s time for Lions fans to hand over their victim-mentality cards to Shark supporters.

    EDIT: Sorry if I come across as an ass. Not my intention to be honest. Just think you shouldn’t only go on Meyer’s opinion of the Lions because it certainly isn’t the popular opinion. I’ve loved watching the Lions play this season. They’ve been SA rugby’s silver lining.

  • Comment 8, posted at 28.10.15 11:21:54 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 6) : Agreed. But we also need to streamline their career path so they know where they heading if they do well in 1 comp. I also like your u20 idea…that way guys out of u20 contention can filter into the senior sides if they can hack it- if not back to club rugby. Also if guy arent playing in the super rugby side it allows them to keep fit in CC side. Iff CC side need players then they can look to youngsters within the union in the u20 team or varsity cup side

  • Comment 9, posted at 28.10.15 11:28:41 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 5) : I think the problem with this idea is there is not enough audience to go around for this much concurrent rugby.

    Problem is that should we absorb the Currie Cup into the Super Rugby local derbies as Poisy suggests, that will definitely result in less games but then we need to relegate the Pumas back to the CC First Division Don’t see any other alternative. In addition it means less opportunities for younger players to make their step up.

    I reckon we still need a Currie Cup that is a separate competition from Super Rugby for the sake of player development but as soon it runs along side Super Rugby you’re giving audiences far too much rugby to watch at once.

  • Comment 10, posted at 28.10.15 11:40:24 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 7) : @vanmartin (Comment 8) : I agree with van. I told Ackers at our year end function that the Cheetahs used to be my second team but that now the Lions are because of the way they play the game. You should have seen the beam on his face.

    You guys are the most popular team amongst neutrals and are highly regarded and respected.

  • Comment 11, posted at 28.10.15 11:42:08 by StevieS Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 10) : Fully get your point reg the audiences. Unfortunately i think after the Boks and Super rugby, the SA public dont have the time or money for anything else no matter what it is. So as a compromise mayb the CC and u20 games could be the curtain raisers for the super rugby game in much the same way as the u19 and u21s are for the current CC. Varsity Cup attracts its own unique audience and well nobody is going to watch the CC qualifying/Vodacom cup any way it is spun

  • Comment 12, posted at 28.10.15 11:47:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 10) : To be constructive, this would be my suggestion: Super Rugby is not going away and the powers that be don’t want to make it a smaller tournament so…

    1. Split SuperRugby into a Cup and Plate competition
    2. Top three teams from each Sanzar region in addition to three invitational sides (probably from Argentina, Japan and Pacific Island) qualify for Cup competition.
    3. Next two or three teams from Sanzar regions plus other invitational sides (America, Namibia, Zimbabwe) play in plate competition. Winner of the plate competition may perhaps automatically qualify for cup competition in the following year.
    4. Rankings, to qualify for Cup or Plate, could be determined based on domestic competitions plus performance in the plate competition.

    That’s a competition I could get excited about. Sure it would mean that the Sharks would likely be playing a plate competition but that will hopefully only serve as motivation to improve and would give our domestic competitions some meaning again. It could also mean that the Pumas have a shot at Super Rugby one day.

    Invitational sides don’t necessarily need to qualify as the Sanzar teams do, they’re are included in order to:
    1. Develop and improve their rugby
    2. Widen the TV audience for Super Rugby

  • Comment 13, posted at 28.10.15 11:54:51 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 12) : Good points, have a look at my post above and tell me what you think.

  • Comment 14, posted at 28.10.15 11:56:53 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 13) : I like the idea, but it will also mean the Sharks may play in the Plate competition :roll:

  • Comment 15, posted at 28.10.15 12:12:21 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • How ironical was the ABSA add after a rebroadcast of the CC final yesterday- it went something like this – the CC, its only just begining….yeah right beginning for who – not ABSA, they have given up the sponsorship and as we know the CC itself seems to be headed down the tubes.

  • Comment 16, posted at 28.10.15 12:13:13 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 14) : Yeh i like. Your concept is how i thought they would expand Super rugby…guess i was wrong haha Possibly because that system is too simple and not complicated enough. I like the Cup and Plate scenario. Top 3 Sanzar sides plus Argies make the Cup 10. Plate 10 made up of remaining SANZAR team plus 1 African and 1 Pacific Island team. I cannot for the life of me see how the Japs fit into super rugby. Their domestic season runs concurrent with Northern Hemisphere.

  • Comment 17, posted at 28.10.15 12:20:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Reports (and a discussion I had with a Leopards VP) indicate

    VC will still be there in the guise of a qualifying part of the CC

    A single round between all the unions and Namibia played during SR with the top 8 going to Premier Div and bottom 7 to 1st Div.

    Problem for SR sides is that they cannot ignore the first part like they did with the VC as they then might not qualify for the Premier division. And if the first part’s points are carried over a team could start the Premier Div a long way behind

  • Comment 18, posted at 28.10.15 13:00:09 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 18) : That could prove interesting. I just wonder how accommodating the teams like Griquas, Pumas etc will be in letting their best players go to the super rugby franchise and thus not play the qualifying comp for them and hampering their chances?

  • Comment 19, posted at 28.10.15 13:09:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 18) : that’s pretty similar to what I heard

  • Comment 20, posted at 28.10.15 13:15:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 19) : double-edged sword, I’d imagine.

    They won’t be happy at all about doing it, but they will find that players will start to insist on clauses in contracts to allow them to do so.

  • Comment 21, posted at 28.10.15 13:17:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 19) : if read that Griquas and the Giffrons will no longer be part of the Cheetahs . And the way the Lions are going about singing Pumas i think the Lions might be without them as well

  • Comment 22, posted at 28.10.15 13:21:21 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) : Yeh it does lend itself to some interesting contract negotiations. I suppose the guy that fits the biggest part of the salary bill is the one with most negotiating power. If the Lions play Cheetahs in Super rugby and Pumas play Griquas in qualifying…it could lead to some tough decisions

  • Comment 23, posted at 28.10.15 13:23:20 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 15) : It wouldn’t be undeserved though.

    @SheldonK (Comment 17) : Sanzar seem hellbent on including Japan in some way right now (probably for monetary reasons) and that’s why I’ve included them too. I agree, a Super 10 Cup and Plate competition would even be better than a Super 12 but once again Sanzar is keen on more teams.

  • Comment 24, posted at 28.10.15 14:43:22 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 24) : Money is obviously the factor why Japan included. Whose next the USA? im really not looking forward to next years comp format. Either you must play everyone or be split into pools..but half and half is just unnecessarily complicated. Should be like Champions league if they want this format. Draw out a hat into 4 pools so its luck of the draw who u play. Top 2 in each pool advance to playoffs etc

  • Comment 25, posted at 28.10.15 14:57:00 by SheldonK Reply

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  • How about 2 pools of 10 teams for Super Rugby. Each team plays the other teams once and then the top 4 teams in each pool go through to play in the A division. The bottom 4 from each pool goes into the B division. Teams in the A division play each other once and the top 4 make up the semis, same goes for the B division.

  • Comment 26, posted at 28.10.15 15:04:04 by Ben Reply
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  • I know it might sound like sour grapes and it’s definitely off topic. But shouldn’t there be a limit on how many new signings or at least signings of a single position a union can make. I mean province has all the money and they are signing all the talent how is that fair competition to the rest? Also you can only play so many guys so the rest are benched or underutilized then they get fed up and leave the country and we lose talent because if greed….

  • Comment 27, posted at 28.10.15 15:06:31 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 26) : So to make the final in that you would play 18 games…eish thats a lot of rugby. How many would they play in the proposed format for next year?

  • Comment 28, posted at 28.10.15 15:11:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 26) : I screwed up with my math a bit. It should be the top 5 and bottom 5 that go to the A and B division.

  • Comment 29, posted at 28.10.15 15:15:48 by Ben Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 28) : Yeah, a lot of rugby. But maybe a month or two break before the A and B divisions start.

  • Comment 30, posted at 28.10.15 15:18:43 by Ben Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 28) : I have no idea how many games they will play in the new format.

  • Comment 31, posted at 28.10.15 15:20:19 by Ben Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 25) : @Ben (Comment 26) : It’s telling that pretty much every alternative we can dream up seems more appealing than the actual format.

  • Comment 32, posted at 28.10.15 15:20:53 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 30) : @Ben (Comment 31) : Yeh i guess we cant get away from a lot of rugby. No wonder crowds dont flock to CC games. i still think the ‘Pools System” used under Soccer Champions league and Heineken Cup Comps would suit Super rugby best. I wonder why that wasnt considered

  • Comment 33, posted at 28.10.15 15:22:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 30) : We don’t have a Currie Cup to worry about anyway.

  • Comment 34, posted at 28.10.15 15:23:38 by Ben Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 32) : i can see myself watching he sharks games but having very little interest in he other weekend games barring possibly the odd SA derby game

  • Comment 35, posted at 28.10.15 15:24:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 33) : Aren’t we talking about SANZAR? :twisted:

  • Comment 36, posted at 28.10.15 15:24:45 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 36) : And in that we have our answer i guess

  • Comment 37, posted at 28.10.15 15:26:20 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 33) : What’s soccer? :twisted:

  • Comment 38, posted at 28.10.15 15:27:27 by Ben Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 33) : The crux of the biscuit is that although the live attendance numbers might be way down the television numbers aren’t.
    People can’t get enough T.V. rugby,is it because the game works better on television,with commentary,and replays slo mo,and a wider view or is it because the live game experience is 20 years out of date.
    I wonder how many guys on this site went to a Sharks game last year,but that hasn’t blunted their passion and enthusiasm for the team.
    Rugby is growing at an amazing rate,there are now over a million guys playing Super bru.

  • Comment 39, posted at 28.10.15 15:35:51 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 39) : interesting point. So how long will it be before they’re playing in a studio, rather than a stadium?

  • Comment 40, posted at 28.10.15 15:41:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 38) : Its another sport…kinda like those other sports such as volleyball and tennis

  • Comment 41, posted at 28.10.15 15:42:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 39) : Yeh look i think tv viewership numbers are a bit flawed in how they are calculated. I mean i had the tv on the other night but i was doing more braaing and drinking that actually watching the CC final. It is also a lot more cost effective for the average rugby supporter to go to ‘watch’ the rugby and braai at a mates place than go to the game live. Yes you can make the point for stadium experience being good or bad but i think for majority of people its purely a monetary decision in our current economic situation. Ive got season tickets but a lot of my mates dont…so i often find times where i dont go to a game as i want to watch with my mates and they would rather braai at their place and watch or go to a pub and watch.

  • Comment 42, posted at 28.10.15 15:48:22 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 40) : I have wonder about that as well,all the sport we watch today are games that are over 200 years old and were conceived to be watched live in a stadium.Yet today the stadium audience is a fraction of the real audience,for the soccer world cup it probably isn’t even a percent.
    American football and basketball are already played with regular breaks for advertising,and as an outsider it can drive you insane that there are so many stoppages,yet the locals don’t even notice it.
    My point actually was that the live game spectator is no longer your prime customer and are quickly passing into the realm of nice to haves
    The real audience is not even the local T.V viewer but it has now become an I international one.

  • Comment 43, posted at 28.10.15 15:54:01 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 41) : Never heard of it. Must be something that was made up in the US. :roll:

  • Comment 44, posted at 28.10.15 15:54:19 by Ben Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 43) : Yeh interesting point there that the target audience is not the guy at the stadium but the guy in front of the tv. One then has to question..is the guy viewing the game on tv in an empty stadium enjoying it more or less than if the stadium was full?

  • Comment 45, posted at 28.10.15 15:59:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 45) : Television has many ways to compensate for that,you don’t think those are real people laughing at Trevor Noah’s lame jokes do you.
    It’s called smoke and mirrors and wait till the next generation of Spiellbergs discover rugby.

  • Comment 46, posted at 28.10.15 16:03:24 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 42) : I agree on the point of some things being outdated. To be fair the shark tank does try a lot of things to keep people coming but they won’t if we keep losing which is a problem. In durban there is so much stuff to do which makes things even harder for the union to entice people to go to the game, on most Saturdays if I’m not working which is 80% of the time I jog with the local sports club than go down to harbour to sail and between those two there’s always people inviting you over for a braai and to watch the game people just don’t want the hassel of going to the game anymore its just not special anymore

  • Comment 47, posted at 28.10.15 16:09:37 by Poisy Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 46) : yeh fair point. With super rugby dominating what do you think of the idea of taking the CC to the club grounds? So for example you have Rovers play Crusaders at home and afterwards the Sharks play the Cheetahs. Yes TV may be an issue with the TMO but im sure we can live without it and the ref can actually ref for a change

  • Comment 48, posted at 28.10.15 16:11:00 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 47) : ”there’s always people inviting you over for a braai and to watch the game people just don’t want the hassel of going to the game anymore its just not special anymore”
    You hit the nail on the head,the rugby is still special,the live game is not,

  • Comment 49, posted at 28.10.15 16:12:25 by The hound Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 47) : Yeh 100% there are a lot of other distractions for your average supporter. Yes a winning team may increase numbers slightly but i cant see it increasing it dramatically. For the price of a match day ticket plus a couple beers you are in for min R150. I could spend less than that on a case of beers and some meat for a braai with all my mates…and thats the coin toss that the Union is losing at the moment

  • Comment 50, posted at 28.10.15 16:13:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 48) : That would be worse,I have a 55inch T.V. ,I have an air conditioner,I have a bar stocked with cold ones,you want me to go to the game make it better than that.

  • Comment 51, posted at 28.10.15 16:16:04 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 51) : Well now you see u wouldnt be my target audience. The guys that go to watch the club games would be. Same club games are better supported than the Sharks games, much like Varsity Cup is better supported. So the guys that were there to watch the club rugby would probably stay and watch the CC game

  • Comment 52, posted at 28.10.15 16:18:03 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 52) : So you’d have an audience of 2000 for a CC game whoop dee do.

  • Comment 53, posted at 28.10.15 16:20:06 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 50) : solution?

  • Comment 54, posted at 28.10.15 16:23:01 by Poisy Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 49) : solution

  • Comment 55, posted at 28.10.15 16:24:08 by Poisy Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 53) : Yes i know its not a lot but i also wouldnt lose money on opening the entire stadium etc for maybe possibly another 2000 people to arrive. Doesnt matter what they do the CC is no longer attractive to the paying customer due to super rugby and Bok games. At least those 2000 would be genuine rugby supporters that actually cared about the game.

  • Comment 56, posted at 28.10.15 16:25:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 54) : There isnt a solution. The CC is a downgraded product. Its like going to the movies and watching a movie only for them to release the exact same movie the following week only this time the actors arent the same calibre as the last movie…and you know the entire plot. Would you stil pay to go to that 2nd movie?

  • Comment 57, posted at 28.10.15 16:27:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 57) : well no. But we have to think outside the box it can’t just continue the way it has

  • Comment 58, posted at 28.10.15 16:30:15 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 54) : There is no solution,professional rugby was the brainchild of Kerry Packer ,he had it stolen from him by a consortium of pay T.V stations,M NET,and I think ,but am open to correction,Channel 9 and Fox sports.
    They in turn sold it to sponsors as a lucrative television sport platform
    What should have happened and SA.B.C. had the means to do it,local gamst should have been blacked out or delayed by an hour in the city they were played in. This would have boosted game attendance.
    But it is no random coincidence that Professional rugby was sold to the pay T.V. channels who had absolutely no intention of blacking anything out.
    Rugby slipped away from its traditional structures and went rapidly from being a sport to being an entertainment platform.

  • Comment 59, posted at 28.10.15 16:33:10 by The hound Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 58) : Now you want my real solution,I have voiced it here before and it has not gone down well.
    Forget your traditional supporter base,they like you and me watch on T.V
    Move to Mabida,and focus the entire marketing budget,on 16 -25 black youths,make the game as appealing to them as you can,make them feel an affinity for it,and we could be heading for a new golden era for Sharks rugby.

  • Comment 60, posted at 28.10.15 16:45:59 by The hound Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 40) : You can control weather conditions in a studio. Would that not count against the adversity which makes it a challenge?

  • Comment 61, posted at 28.10.15 16:51:35 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 60) : lol I can see why this would not be the place for that kind of comment. But you on the right track a lot of sports are doing that now.

  • Comment 62, posted at 28.10.15 16:56:59 by Poisy Reply
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  • OMGSH!!! There’s this crap on supersport 1 that just came on rating how hot the rugby players are in world cup its called RWC 2015 hotties and I guess its suppose to be for woman, but it must be the most insulting mini show of rugby for women, its basicly saying woman watch rugby for the hot guys because its just so impossible for supersport to fathom that woman actually like rugby too and understand what is going on :roll:

  • Comment 63, posted at 28.10.15 17:02:44 by Poisy Reply
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  • I suggest something with this much tradition and pride should be preserved and promoted not relegated. I don’t want rugby to become the cold business transaction super 15 is on its way to becoming. TV or no TV if rugby in SA loses its personality it will lose its spectators. Provincialism may be bad on some cases but the fact that we can harry each other around a braai with our provincial views is part of the alure.

  • Comment 64, posted at 28.10.15 18:16:16 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I like some of the suggestions on this thread…

  • Comment 65, posted at 28.10.15 20:08:30 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 60) : i think you onto something there. Would u demolish Kings Park?

  • Comment 66, posted at 29.10.15 13:36:59 by SheldonK Reply

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