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Half a ton of half appearances


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 29 Oct 2015 at 09:15
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It’s perhaps fitting, in a rather sad way, that Patrick Lambie will (in all likelihood) earn his 50th Springbok cap wearing a replacements jersey. Why, after all, should this cap be any different to all the others?

At a time when we – as Pat’s supporters – should be rejoicing in the momentous occasion of him becoming only the 31st player in history to reach the milestone of 50 caps for the Springboks, we are instead left holding our heads and wringing our hands in frustration as he is yet again sidelined in favour of less able players.

Lambie may be climbing the list of total appearances for the Boks at a steady rate, but there’s another, perhaps less desirable list that he’s making his way up far more rapidly; that of the player with the most test appearances as a substitute. In 49 tests to date, Lambie has played off the bench in 32 of them (tomorrow will be his 33rd). That’s just 17 starts in a shade under 5 years of test rugby (with the bulk of those years spend under Heyneke Meyer). Of those 17 starts, Lambie has been handed the number 10 jersey on just 10 occasions (five fewer than Handre Pollard) wit the other seven starts coming at fullback.

Lambie has just turned 25 and as such will be the youngest player ever to achieve the feat of 50 Bok caps (beating Frans Steyn’s record by a few months). The truly frightening thing is that he could easily play the team for another ten years (if the injury gods are kind) and end up well in excess of the 150 mark; if that is to happen, though, one feels that a new Springbok coaching team is going to have to come in, one that backs this truly phenomenal player to start and perform on the Test stage.

Is Pat Lambie going to stick around to watch another 50 test matches from the bench? Hell, I wouldn’t….



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  • I did a bit of reaserch before the start of the world cup on this topic and the time Pat has spent on the park compared to Pollard was staggering. Now be a bit lenient as every second might not be 100% accurate but here were my findings:

    At the time Pat had 41 caps and played a total of 1441 minutes. Now Pollard who had 11 caps had already racked up 637 minutes. According to my research and correct me here if I’m wrong of Pats 14 starts at the time 7 were at Fullback. The most consecutive games he started at Flyhalf was 3 from cap 18 to 20.

    It’s sad to say the least. I said it a few years back if I was Pat I’d pack my bags and go because he deserves better.

  • Comment 1, posted at 29.10.15 09:28:47 by Hulk Reply
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  • Spot on, Rob. I wouldn’t either!

  • Comment 2, posted at 29.10.15 09:35:01 by Ben Reply
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  • This is a disgrace and a disservice to a brilliant player and person. HM should be ashamed of himself.

  • Comment 3, posted at 29.10.15 09:37:34 by StevieS Reply
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  • So what is that in minutes?

  • Comment 4, posted at 29.10.15 09:39:57 by byron Reply

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  • If Meyer gets another four years Pat is going to be picking a lot more splinters out of his hindquarters. Wish he could play scrummie. Perhaps then he’d get to both start and run the show more often :grin:

  • Comment 5, posted at 29.10.15 09:44:56 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I was going to post something like `the first XV are not the alpha and omega of a rugby team and the bench is just as vital to the squads victory`… but this only true if you have an astute coach who makes tactical substitutions, you would have to expect a long shouting match with me if you plan to change my mind about that.

    So with the current coach there can be no claim that Lambie is selected on the bench because has ice running though is veins and seemingly the serenity of a shaolin warrior on the field (I.E. even under extreme pressure he can calmly access the situation and do what is needed).

    The basic difference between Lambie and Pollard is simple… Lambie has been molded as a `running` or `ball in hand` flyhalf at Natal… he likes to command his backline and either let them loose or snipe a gap himself, and Pollard who used to be a `running` or `ball in hand` has been (in my point of view) broken and molded as a kicking flyhalf, the traditional flyhalf for Bulls teams since time and memorial, the upside to this is the flyhalf doesnt need to operate well with the inside center (in fact as the old joke goes a Bulls flyhalf would not be able to ID the rest of his back line in a police line up) and this is the style HM knows/feels comfortable with/can only understand/likes [take your pick at which one] so for now Lambie is destined to the bench until HM starts growing enough in confidence and a a coach to fill in the blank pages in his play book (hopefully though the first page is allowing offloads :roll: ).

    Until then we will have to be happy with a forward charging down channel 1 until the scrum half decides to pass it to the flyhalf in question to kick for the corners on the off chance that the opposition will make a mistake or the chasing wing will get the ball first…

  • Comment 6, posted at 29.10.15 09:48:19 by Warren Harvey Reply

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  • Pat Lambie is not a flyhalf……

    He is The Flyhalf

    HM has always favoured his Bulls buddies. Although Pat has given him his only win against the All Blacks. Pollard came on against Japan and we lost the game…. but still get selected for rest of WC ahead of Pat.

    Idiot…

  • Comment 7, posted at 29.10.15 09:50:31 by ebenp Reply

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  • @Warren Harvey (Comment 6) : I disagree with what you’ve written!!!

  • Comment 8, posted at 29.10.15 09:51:59 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 8) : @Warren Harvey (Comment 6) : We kick the ball down the middle of the field to the opposition. If we kicked for the corners then we wouldn’t be giving them the generous chance to run the ball back at us :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Jokes aside, our tactical kicking is beyond dismal!

  • Comment 9, posted at 29.10.15 09:53:16 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @ebenp (Comment 7) : I agree! If I were Pat then I’d be lamenting the World Rugby rules that tie you to one country for life.

    His tactical kicking, for the corners as well as little chips over the top, and his game management and defence are far superior to Pollard’s and Pat should have had his 50 caps ages ago. Instead he’s been excluded from match-day squads sometimes or hasn’t been used!

  • Comment 10, posted at 29.10.15 09:55:58 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 5) : I wonder if he would seriously consider having a go at scrummy! I think he’d rock it :cool:

  • Comment 11, posted at 29.10.15 09:56:52 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Warren Harvey (Comment 6) : “a Bulls flyhalf would not be able to ID the rest of his back line in a police line up”

    :grin: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 12, posted at 29.10.15 09:57:26 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 11) : He’d probably have made a pretty decent scrumhalf. Though I’m not as opposed to positional switches as others on here I don’t think its prudent for specialist positions such as scrumhalf.

  • Comment 13, posted at 29.10.15 10:01:29 by vanmartin Reply
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  • #HMmustfall

  • Comment 14, posted at 29.10.15 10:06:52 by ebenp Reply

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  • EK wil graag vir Pat by die Sharks hou maar ek dink hy moet maar Skotland toe hulle sal hom verwelkom en waardeer.

  • Comment 15, posted at 29.10.15 10:18:44 by Leon Schrenk Reply

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  • @Leon Schrenk (Comment 15) : it’s too late. He can’t play tests for them, so why would he go?

  • Comment 16, posted at 29.10.15 10:23:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • Funny you all claim that the Bulls flyhalves wouldn’t be able to ID their outside backs, when this is exactly how the Sharks have been playing, and yes with Pat at FH. Despite all the hype and pie in the sky stuff, Lambie does kick the ball just as much as Pollard. At times better, at times poorer.

    Fact is, if you want to run the ball, then Pollard is your man. He plays flat, is strong on his feet, and breaks tackles, with hard running. Pat is defiantly more suited to the kicking game. I am happy to have both, all I can say is, that there s a reason why no bok coach has backed Lambie as their man at FH. They can’t all be idiots. Why do most of the pundits then mostly select Pollard as the man? These include Butch James, Stefan Terblanche, all stout Sharks men?

  • Comment 17, posted at 29.10.15 10:29:23 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • Congrats to Lambie.No matter how they come 50 caps for your country is still 50 caps for your country and something to be proud of. Here’s to hoping he has a good and injury free 2016.

  • Comment 18, posted at 29.10.15 10:31:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @ChrisS (Comment 10) : And in which country would Pat be first choice FH?
    Wales with Biggar and his replacement that played so well? Nope
    Ireland with Sexton? Nope
    England with Farrel? Nope
    Scotland, maybe, but then he may as well play for the leopards as far as prestige goes.

  • Comment 19, posted at 29.10.15 10:32:23 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 17) : slow down. I know you’re stirring, but this is dumb:

    ” there s a reason why no bok coach has backed Lambie as their man at FH”

    Pat has only played under 2 Bok coaches and was still establishing himself as a test player when Meyer took over. Sorry, but to my mind there’s one and only one coach who has decided not to back Pat as a test flyhalf and that coach is Heyneke Meyer.

  • Comment 20, posted at 29.10.15 10:42:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 19) : prestige? Rugby players want to play on the highest stage. Starting 50 tests at flyhalf for Scotland would probably rank higher than benching 32 times for the boks.

  • Comment 21, posted at 29.10.15 10:43:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 19) : Do you reckon he’d make the Japanese team?

  • Comment 22, posted at 29.10.15 10:49:36 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 22) : Well he does qualify in terms of the height requirement :)

  • Comment 23, posted at 29.10.15 10:54:01 by SheldonK Reply

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  • #HMmustfallsoon

  • Comment 24, posted at 29.10.15 11:01:46 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 23) : :mrgreen: :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 25, posted at 29.10.15 11:03:52 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • If Saru reappoint this farcial Heyneke then they are so far out of touch with reality it just beggars belief….

  • Comment 26, posted at 29.10.15 11:05:38 by grant10 Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 26) : And a suitable local replacement in your opinion? Alistair Coetzee?

  • Comment 27, posted at 29.10.15 11:09:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • England with Farrel? Nope – Change that to yes, Pat is way better and is equal when it comes to the rest.
    He has had a bad run with injuries and this has effected him. He is also not allowed to play his natural game with the Boks and this brings him down.
    HM is one dimensional and he picks Pollard because he is stronger and bigger. If HM had a brain, he would use both depending on what the situation is. I would start with Pat in the first half, and when the time is right bring on Pollard to open up the game and tempo. Pats game management is better but Pollard’s running game is better.

  • Comment 28, posted at 29.10.15 11:26:45 by Sagroup Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : The worst part is he actually believes the sh*t he’s typing. :roll: :twisted:

  • Comment 29, posted at 29.10.15 11:26:51 by Ben Reply
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  • @Sagroup (Comment 28) : Pat Lambie on form is far better than all of the flyhalves that KingCheetah mentioned.

  • Comment 30, posted at 29.10.15 11:28:45 by Ben Reply
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  • I don’t really care that much about the Boks, Heyneke Meyer has made it this way. My major concern here is how much damage is Heyneke doing to Lambie’s confidence for when he wears the black and white jersey again.

  • Comment 31, posted at 29.10.15 11:33:04 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 29) : I’m not sure he always does. A champion wielder of the stirring spoon, is King Cheetah

  • Comment 32, posted at 29.10.15 11:49:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 32) : He does support the Cheetahs, so who knows? :)

  • Comment 33, posted at 29.10.15 11:52:49 by Ben Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 32) : sorry to say Rob but at the moment Pat is not in his top form and for me it’s a 50/50 call between him and Pollard.
    Yes in the past Pat was screwed by HM when he played MS but currently it’s really close.

  • Comment 34, posted at 29.10.15 12:00:43 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 34) : And when did Lambie get a chance to play himself into form? :roll:

  • Comment 35, posted at 29.10.15 12:01:34 by Ben Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : Fair point, then pray do tell, why do most of the analysts support HM in the view that Pollard should be the starting pivot? They also talking shit?
    Don’t get me wrong, I do think Lambie is a very good player. I have watched him play from his debut at the Sharks, but he just doesn’t seem to nail that position down. Wether it is HM’s fault or just a matter of the Sharks faithful placing him on a pedestal is the question. On form he is as reliable as they come, but he just doesn’t seem to have that ability to consistently attack the gain line. If we are going to play Lambie at 10, are we going to play the tactical kick game plan?

  • Comment 36, posted at 29.10.15 12:01:58 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 34) : @Ben (Comment 35) : It’s a 50/50 call for you. It’s a 95/5 call for Heyneke Meyer. That’s the bloody problem!

  • Comment 37, posted at 29.10.15 12:03:10 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 30) : As for me talking shit bud, maybe buy a mirror! If you rate Lambie better than Biggar and Sexton, then I want some of that stuff you smoke! You may have a point with Farrel, though same applies, when Farrell is on form, he does play a good game. Right now Biggar and Sexton are streets ahead of any of our flyhalves.

  • Comment 38, posted at 29.10.15 12:04:20 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 36) : “If we are going to play Lambie at 10, are we going to play the tactical kick game plan?”

    That would be better than no gameplan at all (like we’re seeing at the moment), don’t you think?

  • Comment 39, posted at 29.10.15 12:05:23 by Ben Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 38) : We can swop. I’ll give you some of the stuff that I’m smoking and then you give me some of the stuff that you’re smoking. That would favour me anyway because the stuff you’re smoking is much stronger! :evil:

  • Comment 40, posted at 29.10.15 12:08:39 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 35) : Like any other player, with his franchise. There is very little separating Lambie from Pollard. both have unique skills. Unlike your assertion though, Lambie is not the clear favourite outside of the Sharks circle. Would be real interesting to see if Pollard was a Shark, what would happen. A guy like Robert du Preez, might pick Pollard as FH, and then he would have a new Robert must go campaign on his neck :evil:

  • Comment 41, posted at 29.10.15 12:10:14 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 19) : Scotland, the team who ‘almost’ beat Australia? I wouldn’t mind being a starting player for them….

  • Comment 42, posted at 29.10.15 12:11:19 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 39) : And is that Pollards fault, or the coaches. I also wish to see the boks play like they did in the first 70 minutes against the AB’s and Wallabies. That was a joy to watch. And quite frankly I really don’t care who plays 10, if they play that blend of power and pace rugby.

  • Comment 43, posted at 29.10.15 12:12:16 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 41) : Your opinion is that of an anti Lambie bias, has always been. You were the exact same way with Goosen who was complete trash. No matter how well he plays you will never support Lambie.

  • Comment 44, posted at 29.10.15 12:12:39 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 41) : I never said that Pollard is a bad player. I do believe that Lambie is better, yes. But surely Lambie should be given a fair chance to stake his claim. Not 10 minutes off the bench every week.

  • Comment 45, posted at 29.10.15 12:14:08 by Ben Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 43) : It’s obviously the coach’s fault. Which is what everyone is saying. Pollard doesn’t pick himself. Heyneke Meyer is a fool.

  • Comment 46, posted at 29.10.15 12:16:19 by Ben Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 44) : Maybe he’s under the same illusion as Heyneke, – ‘bigger is better’. :roll:

  • Comment 47, posted at 29.10.15 12:18:21 by Ben Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 17) : I realise you’re stirring but that at least make the generalisations believable: “Funny you all claim that the Bulls flyhalves wouldn’t be able to ID their outside backs”. Exactly one person in the thread claimed this and I laughed at his joke. It was a Bulls’ flyhalf stereotype for years (in the Hougaard & Steyn era) and remains funny even though it’s no longer true since Nollis stepped in as coach.

  • Comment 48, posted at 29.10.15 12:37:20 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 44) : Your opinion is your own. I am not anti Lambie at all, I just don’t have this infatuation with him. As I have said, I think both offer much. As for Goosen, he wasn’t trash at all. He was a damn fine player, that unfortunately suffered a sequence of bad injuries. A fit and on form Goosen will trump any flyhallf in SA bar none.

  • Comment 49, posted at 29.10.15 13:01:02 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 45) : Now that I do agree with, unfortunately, and this is the crux of the matter. It is not my decision, nor yours. That is the bok selectors and bok coaches call.

  • Comment 50, posted at 29.10.15 13:02:02 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 48) : Noted!
    Yes that it was. That said, perceptions form easily enough. Naps Botha was perceived as a kicking FH, and heck, even I hated him when he played for the bulls. Yet the Boks scored more tries with him at FH, than any other before.
    I would love to have been able to clone Honiball and Naas. What a player that would be.

  • Comment 51, posted at 29.10.15 13:05:07 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 50) : Bok selectors… What on earth are you talking about?

  • Comment 52, posted at 29.10.15 13:13:49 by Ben Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 49) : Goosen isnt faring too badly for Racing at the moment…just FYI

  • Comment 53, posted at 29.10.15 13:17:30 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 52) : Only bok selector is Heineke Meyer and there is our downfall. Spot on with the article Rob. Lambie may be the most mention able case but many other great talents are also being sidelined for no good reason or given consolation appearances if they are lucky. And yes it’s all the coaches fault. If Ackerman has enough foresight to give his other players enough time whenever he can how much more should we expect our national coach to do the same.

  • Comment 54, posted at 29.10.15 13:22:19 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Oh and Lambie is way better than Pollard and Goosen for that matter. Not that I would ever want him to go but I can guarantee if a top club from overseas ever lures him away he will be the flyhalf that is on everyone’s lips. Hope Jake hear that….

  • Comment 55, posted at 29.10.15 13:24:39 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 36) : But we played that game plan for the whole of the second half of the world cup…and Pollard played it very poorly. That was the surprising thing for me…given the game plan we did employ at the world cup, Pollard was not the best bet…

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 55) : Or rather did not hear that…

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 51) : You just me laugh from very deep down…”Naps Botha”…that is brilliant! :lol:

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 58) : Ooooops! Joys of using a Mac!!

  • Comment 59, posted at 29.10.15 13:46:40 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 56) : The mind boggles bud. If you want to play a tactical game, that relies on kicking, then I agree Lambie would be the ideal choice at the moment. Use both to their relative strengths I say.

  • Comment 60, posted at 29.10.15 13:48:24 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 60) : Or have them both on the field.. ;)

  • Comment 61, posted at 29.10.15 13:50:27 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 53) : Yes I saw. He is still young, maybe a stint in France will do him good. He wasn’t the same player after nearly 18 months on the sidelines. He was a fearless FH, when he started for the Cheetahs, and later the boks.

  • Comment 62, posted at 29.10.15 13:50:43 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 62) : i just think it was a case of a talented guy rushed up the ladder too fast that he wasnt given the time to adequately condition his body to match his skills. I still think he can be more than a useful 15

  • Comment 63, posted at 29.10.15 14:00:48 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 27) : Why not Coetsee? Will he be any worse than HM?

    (and no, I don’t want Coetsee, but gifting HM another 4 years after he proved that he is completely out of his depth would further enforce this culture of mediocrity currently sweeping our nation).

  • Comment 64, posted at 29.10.15 14:04:01 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 49) : “a fit and on form Goosen” …is an urban myth. ;-)

    Find a new flyhalf to fantasise about…your boy is a never-been.

  • Comment 65, posted at 29.10.15 14:07:42 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 64) : I’m with you there. Coetzee over Meyer any day, all day!

  • Comment 66, posted at 29.10.15 14:08:00 by Ben Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 60) : The best way to solve the problem is so easy yet HM only sees what he want to see.

    Firstly Pollard, does the same thing as De Allende, run into defences, surely if he is this great running flyhalf it needs to be shown in his play?

    I promise you playing 2 10′s like the AB’s did for years and years when at their best with Carter at 10 and Mauger at 12.

    Against the AB’s this backline I have no doubt would have faired far better.

    15 kriel
    14 JpP
    13 De Allende
    12 Pollard
    11 Habana
    10 Lambie
    09 Fourie

    Choose your subs………………. with that backline you actually would be slightly stronger defensively, You would have 2 options in playmakers, you would have The tactically better kicker in lambie there to dictate at the same time more options with Pollard in the running game. Kriel also far stronger when attacking from the back at pace.

    Remember this backline is selected from the players we have at the wc.

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 64) : No perhaps i worded that wrong. Wouldnt have a problem with Coetzee at all. I was trying to throw out a name as a sugegstion

  • Comment 68, posted at 29.10.15 14:09:54 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 67) : I possibly would go leRoux over Habana but i like the concept- have always been a fan of it since the ABs did it. Even Eng look better with Ford at 10 and Farrel 12.

  • Comment 69, posted at 29.10.15 14:12:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 69) : Not a bad option to play le roux at 11.

  • Comment 70, posted at 29.10.15 14:14:10 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 67) : The problem with that backline in my opinion is you will have two centres that can’t tackle.

  • Comment 71, posted at 29.10.15 14:15:05 by Ben Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 70) : i actually prefer him there and think he is more dangerous and unpredictable. at 15 he seems to be very predictable to opposition defenses. in terms of the Sharks with Leroux and Mvovo on the wings and Pieterson (or big call Esterhuizen) at 15 i think the sharks may hav a different bag of tricks.

  • Comment 72, posted at 29.10.15 14:20:13 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 72) : “at 15 he seems to be very predictable to opposition defenses.”

    That’s because he isn’t being used correctly (No surprise here) by Heyneke. He needs to be used in tandem with the flyhalf as first receiver. I think we will see this at the Sharks.

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  • Excellent piece Rob, thanks. I agree with so much you have written I don’t even know where to begin. Lambie is such a naturally gifted player.. those that don’t come around very often. Cut from the same cloth as Frans Steyn. A true prodigy in every word. How HM missed this, I have no idea. F.. around so much, playing is 50th test from a bloody bench in a dead rubber match. Must surely be the epitome of tragedy.

  • Comment 74, posted at 29.10.15 14:28:08 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 73) : That is a lot easier to do when playing wing than at 15. If he comes wondering up from 15 and we turn over the ball with nobody back we playing a dangerous game. My concern with him at 15 as shown vs the All Blacks is that his clearance kicks are very short.

  • Comment 75, posted at 29.10.15 14:29:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 68) : Aah okay….maybe i should have given you the benefit of the doubt. :smile:

  • Comment 76, posted at 29.10.15 14:30:13 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 65) : Opinions are like arseholes! We each have one. That may be your opinion, but I liked the way he played. He held nothing back, tackled, contested rucks, and wasn’t afraid to have a go himself.

  • Comment 77, posted at 29.10.15 14:35:27 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 67) : I wouldn’t have a problem with that backline at all.

  • Comment 78, posted at 29.10.15 14:36:36 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 76) : i shall also touch up on my communication skills :)

  • Comment 79, posted at 29.10.15 14:39:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 77) : …and after 5mins. of that he was injured.

    But, keep dreaming of the fantasy that you built around Goosen – he’s probably living up to all of that in the weakened Northern Hemisphere club competition. :twisted:

  • Comment 80, posted at 29.10.15 14:43:20 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 72) : Also at 15 you are expected to do damage control which he is great at as long as he is on the front foot. But when there are many fires he tends to try and save the world and usually fails. At wing he can be creative and have a little less responsibility. He can still cover high balls from wing. It would be awesome to have him Lambo and Joe on at the same time.

  • Comment 81, posted at 29.10.15 14:59:54 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 81) : hopefully Inny and Curwin Bosch involved ASAP also. breed creativity!

    need a Carlos Spencer type assitant / skill coach to help

  • Comment 82, posted at 29.10.15 15:05:35 by Kabouter Reply

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  • Well written Rob. Lambie’s guts was ripped from him during Meyer’s first year as Bok coach. Lambie went back to Sharks and was a shell of his former self. (In sy dop gekruip) He tried to paly a game that would receive Meyer’s approval – and lost Meyer’s backing. It is sooo obvious that Lambie is in ‘two-minds’ when playing …..such a pity. More so when Meyer realised his ‘game-plan’ is not working and the ‘rolled the dice’ in bringing in a X-factor player that passes to imaginary teammates and closes his eyes tightly before contact. When that stopped working during X-factor’s second season, as so often happens – Lambie was already toast to provide the X-factor LAMBIE has !!!

  • Comment 83, posted at 29.10.15 15:07:58 by The Brand Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 27) : Gert Smal? A Coetsee will do a better job….but why be insular? Mitchell, Plumtree, Jones, ? Mallet would be my first choice….if you really believe Meyer is the way forward then I respect your opinion, but certainly dont understand it….

  • Comment 84, posted at 29.10.15 15:16:06 by grant10 Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 49) : I do agree with you re Goosen….wish WP could get him…

  • Comment 85, posted at 29.10.15 15:18:58 by grant10 Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 84) : I prefer Meyer to a ‘forced’ alternative if that makes sense? I also dont think Foreign coach would cope well with the other distractions as evidenced by Steve Hansen’s comments. So Gert Smal yes mayb but would he make himself available-seems to have a nice cushy job now. Mitchell no- just creates fight everywhere he goes. Plum-yes but prob as an assistant. Mallet isnt leaving his chair anytime soon.

  • Comment 86, posted at 29.10.15 15:19:44 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 81) : yeh thats kinda my thinking

  • Comment 87, posted at 29.10.15 15:20:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 86) : Rassie Erasmus. A man of vision a modern Era coach. Not afraid to think outside the box.

  • Comment 88, posted at 29.10.15 15:25:51 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 88) : to me he is the idea of a head coach…not a hands on guy but a calm strategist that can motivate guys. I mean can u picture Steve Hansen getting hands on in drills? Nope thats what assistants are for- Hansen analyses the players doing those drills etc.

  • Comment 89, posted at 29.10.15 15:31:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The Brand (Comment 83) : Gee, what power Meyer has! He transforms players into a shell of their former selves. Now if only we could harness that “power” and use it to transform. Wow!!
    Now I wonder why Meyer would do that, yet give Willie le Roux carte blanche to weave his magic, as he sees fit. Somehow it just doesn’t gel. First it was Ruan Pienaar that destroyed Lambie’s chances, now its HM.

  • Comment 90, posted at 29.10.15 16:14:16 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 85) : I heard rumours that his signature was being hunted. Haven’t heard any confirmation. Wouldn’t mind the Cheetahs getting him back, though I enjoyed having Zeilinga in the team. Sits less so, that guy’s mind is fragile! Neil Marais, can go either way. Heard the SA Schools 9, JP Smith is also heading to the Cheetahs.

  • Comment 91, posted at 29.10.15 16:18:16 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 88) : True, but Rassie doesn’t enjoy hands on coaching. He prefers the analytical side. I remember how he was ridiculed with his lights on the roof, but yes, that guy can think out the box.

  • Comment 92, posted at 29.10.15 16:19:53 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 92) : Now stadiums have roofs that close…could be a problem

  • Comment 93, posted at 29.10.15 16:25:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • It’s difficult for anyone that is not a Sharks supporter to understand the skill level of Lambie. Why? Because they have to make up their mind from watching his minimal opportunities and listening to the “ASTUTE” opinions of the Super Sport panel (according to those guys Craig Joubert made a perfect call against the Scotts, that was of course until it was revealed that he did not).

    The media jump on the “next best thing” band wagon very easily. First Pienar, then Goosen, Jantjies, La … Pollard.

    When Lambie started out they basically begged for him to start, but since HM didn’t rate him (especially his tactical kicking – how ironic), he was never selected.

    Had Lambie been given 20 – 30 starts in a row under HM, from 2012 to 2014 (when Pollard came onto the scene), he would have been settled in that position and we would have had a promising young back-up in Pollard, learning the ropes from Lambie.

    I don’t care that Pollard is being given opportunity, I care that he is given much more opportunity, with much less proof of his abilities, at the same age Lambie was when Morne Steyn was horribly out of form and Pat had already played 3 Currie Cup Finals (won 2 almost single-handedly) and had proven his worth at SR level.

    If Pat had been afforded the same treatment and backing from HM he would have been much more valuable to the Boks and Bok supporters and the media (who can’t rate him because he hasn’t been used).

  • Comment 94, posted at 29.10.15 16:27:22 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 94) : Ja I must say HM is one big ball of contradiction. He moans about tactical kicking then has both pollard and le roux stuff it up in first half. He has a tactical kicking option on the bench and with this high stakes chooses not to use it. Also brings morne steyn back from overseas and then doesn’t use him. Not that I wanted him to but why fill up the slot?

  • Comment 95, posted at 29.10.15 16:41:32 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 94) : Oh and I agree if Pat had the same level of investment since Goosen left then we would see a difference. In my opinion Pat is the starter and Pollard the impact.

  • Comment 96, posted at 29.10.15 16:43:56 by coolfusion Reply

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