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Why don’t we get together and call ourselves an institute?


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :In the news, Original Content, Sharks on 9 Nov 2015 at 12:12
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I urge you all to have a look at this post on Beet’s excellent Schoolboy Rugby blog site. The writer was fortunate enough to attend the KZN High Schools Rugby AGM, where Union President Graham Mackenzie had some rather interesting things to say about junior rugby in the province.

I won’t repeat the entire story here, but I want to call out one or two interesting snippets, suggesting that the Sharks are looking at doing junior rugby a little differently in the future.

“The Union has also decided to purchase a very upmarket hotel in Florida Road, Morningside which will now become the ‘Rugby Institute’. Contracted junior players have stayed in different Bed and Breakfasts’ etc up until now. The ‘Institute’ will be along the lines of what the WPRI and University of Stellenbosch have to offer: a top class facility to house all players with a swimming pool and proper nutrition provided amongst other benefits.”

There have been dark mutterings in Sharks rugby circles for some time about the Academy and how it appears to have been drifting away from its original purpose in recent years – that of being a development factory for Sharks rugby players. I’m personally pretty happy that the entire set-up is being rethought, in the interests of again turning the Sharks into a first-choice destination for aspiring young rugby stars.

McKenzie also mentioned that it was time for the Sharks to again prioritise flowing “Banana Boys” rugby; I’m less sure about this as a concept, but if it means a fanatical emphasis on skills development at all levels of the game, rather than simple looking at physical development, I’m all for it.



51 Comments

  • Them be the right noises

  • Comment 1, posted at 09.11.15 12:19:31 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 1) : Just need news on skills and mental coaching. Thia level and a few seniors as well

  • Comment 2, posted at 09.11.15 12:40:32 by Kabouter Reply

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  • The biggest problem with the academy at the moment is that there is too much average amongst the special players. There is also no varsity cup side so top players arent attracted here. It is a fairly decent step but in order to get things right we need to streamline the productions line from after school. a player needs to leave school and then be included in the group of players in the u19s/varsity cup side that train and play together. This can be split into a junior and senior side as varsity cup players can be from 18-25yrs of age. So out of school you go into the junior side, then senior side as well as playing in the u19s/u21s…then its senior rugby. That is where the upskilling of players should be targeted.

  • Comment 3, posted at 09.11.15 12:40:50 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Well if you look at SA schools side you can see that we really need to work on it. In the first Xv and A side we have 2 KZN boys (out of a squad of 51) we can push it to 3 players if we include new purchase Curwin Bosch. that should be stressing out the Sharks u21 coaches… and will add more strain on the sharks XV side in the future (as if we did not have enough pressure now).

  • Comment 4, posted at 09.11.15 12:41:24 by Warren Harvey Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 3) : Partnering with the Impi must be done! Need the Impi to make sure they get into VC from Shield thia year.

  • Comment 5, posted at 09.11.15 12:42:08 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @Kabouter (Comment 5) : Its an achievable but tricky thing to get right as many people hav a vested interest.

  • Comment 6, posted at 09.11.15 12:56:22 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Totally agree Rob. Nice news and happy that we are at least thinking fwd and planning fwd.

  • Comment 7, posted at 09.11.15 13:07:13 by Sharkfinn Reply

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  • Nice article Rob and I wish Beet would come back and post here, he always had very good news on junior rugby in KZN.

  • Comment 8, posted at 09.11.15 13:09:53 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Just imagine if Murray Mexted stayed on in SA and his academy was the Sharks Academy. Vision and professionalism would have been part and parcel from the start. Just shows how far we’ve regressed as a union when the introduction of common sense things, like proper accommodation, facilities and nutrition is applauded.

  • Comment 9, posted at 09.11.15 13:26:04 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Kabouter (Comment 5) : Let’s hope the Impi can take the Shield again next year!

  • Comment 10, posted at 09.11.15 14:12:09 by vanmartin Reply
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  • nobody has yet made even one comment about the awesome headline….

  • Comment 11, posted at 09.11.15 14:24:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • My view on academies is not very popular amongst most folks.

  • Comment 12, posted at 09.11.15 14:29:10 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 12) : I think the academy model was good initially but needs re-working badly as its no longer producing players but profits…

  • Comment 13, posted at 09.11.15 14:44:43 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 11) : Hey, is this my problem? Is this my fault?

  • Comment 14, posted at 09.11.15 14:52:47 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 14) : dude, I mean, if that’s how it is then I think we should just stop…. :)

  • Comment 15, posted at 09.11.15 15:03:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) : Dude, most of us weren’t even born when that old timer Paul Simon was making music. Throw in a Nikki Minaj lyric and you’re gold! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 16, posted at 09.11.15 15:13:10 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 11) : Well I didn’t not want to brag :mrgreen: but we have serious rugby knowledge in here and if the Sharks need some they just need post in here :lol:

  • Comment 17, posted at 09.11.15 15:34:02 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) : So what are you going to do about it, that’s what I’d like to know?

    @Culling Song (Comment 16) : We’re classier than that. Beyonce’s where it’s at.

  • Comment 18, posted at 09.11.15 15:38:07 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Must say it really sounds right but it makes me a bit worried because that is how I would have expected the Academy to be handled!!!!!!

  • Comment 19, posted at 09.11.15 15:43:04 by JD Reply
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  • @Kabouter (Comment 5) : @SheldonK (Comment 6) : @vanmartin (Comment 10) : if the Sharks/Academy and the Impi work together I’m sure they can win it again and hopefully then get promoted!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 20, posted at 09.11.15 15:44:53 by JD Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 16) : Nikki who?!?!?!? :twisted: :roll:

  • Comment 21, posted at 09.11.15 15:46:06 by JD Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 18) : must say current approach to Academy sound more like Elton John’s Candle in the wind!!!!!!

  • Comment 22, posted at 09.11.15 15:48:18 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 20) : It becomes a bit tricky with where the guys study etc. But yes some co-ordination is needed.

  • Comment 23, posted at 09.11.15 15:56:48 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Interesting…

  • Comment 24, posted at 09.11.15 16:41:10 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 11) : Very good…as long as we don’t slam into a brick wall!

  • Comment 25, posted at 09.11.15 16:52:09 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 23) : yes I know it wil be tricky but it be good for the university and the academy to work together. I personally think both can benefit a lot if they started to work together and as a by product the Sharks will also benefit.

  • Comment 26, posted at 09.11.15 18:16:31 by JD Reply
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  • I like that plan homegrown heroes are the lasting ones…

  • Comment 27, posted at 09.11.15 18:29:43 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 27) : To be fair, many of our biggest Sharks/Natal heroes were not home grown! But all this is still a good idea…

  • Comment 28, posted at 09.11.15 19:20:57 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 28) : Sure. But the homegrown ones last they are sharks to the core.

  • Comment 29, posted at 09.11.15 19:34:34 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 29) : Weeelllll, maybe…I get what you’re saying, but there are several heroes who are Sharks to the core but were not homegrown…let’s take Robert du Preez as an example…he is not homegrown…but I think he is Sharks to the core…you could say the same about Jacques Botes…and those are just two guys who are currently in the setup…I could name several others…

  • Comment 30, posted at 09.11.15 20:52:19 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Great to know that there are plans to get this working again. Keep us informed of developments please. We need the bulk of Sharks post 2019 to come from this institution.

  • Comment 31, posted at 09.11.15 21:25:52 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 29) : @pastorshark (Comment 30) : ja this is a professional era and heroes and legends come in may forms home grown and imported!!!!
    However to be successful a team neads to produce some talent locally (through under 19 and 21 teams) as it is economically impossible to buy a whole senior team.

  • Comment 32, posted at 09.11.15 21:58:49 by JD Reply
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  • good article

  • Comment 33, posted at 09.11.15 23:49:19 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 32) : That I agree with 100%…

  • Comment 34, posted at 10.11.15 06:15:25 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 32) : Is it really? Is rugby the same as football? For example, did WP pay a fee to the Sharks for PSdT or not? I don’t think they did. All they are doing is offering him a new contract and paying him. How is that any different from a homegrown player?

  • Comment 35, posted at 10.11.15 07:03:19 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 35) : PSDT was out of cotract hence WP didnt have to pay anything. If he was still in contract WP would have had to buy him out his contract. There are very few homegrown players in teams these days. But it is still vital for the strength of a union to have a good junior setup with local players that can supplement the senior side if required.

  • Comment 36, posted at 10.11.15 09:20:45 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 36) : Okay, let’s use a different example. What happens when a player signs for a team in France or wherever and you read that the player has been allowed to leave even though he was still in contract. Does the team releasing the player get paid by the team the player is going to?

  • Comment 37, posted at 10.11.15 09:31:19 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 37) : It all boils down to a negotiation. So i dont think anything wll be made public but there will be times money does change hands and sometimes not. All depends on the negotiation. If player is still under contract then that Union has a right to ask to be bought out. Do they always enforce it- i dont think so.

  • Comment 38, posted at 10.11.15 10:11:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 38) : in my experience, transfer fees in rugby (or, at least, in South African rugby) are exceedingly rare.

    The Sharks tend to work on the principle of not keeping a player if it’s clear his heart is elsewhere. Usually the money they save on the early contract termination will be enough without insisting on a transfer fee. If it’s a player they cannot afford to lose and he is still under contract, well then they just refuse the early termination. I can’t think of a case where this has happened, though.

  • Comment 39, posted at 10.11.15 10:45:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 39) : Yeh pretty much. Its very case specific and dependant on the negotiation. Interesting thought that the KZN rugby union is looking to impose a sort of transfer fee in club rugby where guys leave 1 club for another.

  • Comment 40, posted at 10.11.15 11:05:50 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 38) : @robdylan (Comment 39) : So, if you are paying player x that was homegrown R50 000 per month and you pay player y also R50 000 but he was just signed from a different team, it’s all the same. Which brings me back to my point – it is not economicly impossible to buy a whole senior team because you are not really buying.

  • Comment 41, posted at 10.11.15 11:19:20 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 41) : Not sure i get your point? Yes you paying the guys the same. Just some are homegown and others have come from outside the province. So yes you can attract guys from elsewhere for the same package that you are paying guys that are homegrown. But a guy wont come unless he is getting paid less at his ‘homegrown’ province for example

  • Comment 42, posted at 10.11.15 11:31:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 42) : My point is if all the Sharks players decided tomorrow that they will up and leave, then we will be able to “buy” a whole new team because we won’t be paying for players, we will just use the money we already have to pay the now ex players and we will use that money to pay the new players. So, if a player is homegrown or not. The cost to the union is the same.

  • Comment 43, posted at 10.11.15 11:36:17 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 43) : Oh ya thats right. Its not always like for like in terms of cost but yes your theory is right

  • Comment 44, posted at 10.11.15 11:38:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 44) : The only advantage a homegrown player offers to the union is bragging rights. That’s how I see it.

  • Comment 45, posted at 10.11.15 11:58:52 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 45) : Yeh fair call…if you consider that a bragging right. I still think a successful union needs a strong junior section though or down the road it will be very costly.

  • Comment 46, posted at 10.11.15 12:02:21 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) : I see on the official sharks Facebook page that super rugby preseason started yesterday (players got a break after the CC, and i bet they will get another break around Xmas and new years)

    I realise we all work and have 9-5 resposibilites, but is there anyone we can send to observe these SR preparations and report back

    I’m interested to hear if giant is there

    I’m based in cape town so I cant be there, I’d take a day off if I was in KZN and knew for certain that it was open training

    Is it open training ?

    Next week my work schedule is way more relaxed so i intend to see if boks 7′s team has open training sessions for the public to observe in stellies which isnt too far from where I reside

    I’ve been to WP/stormers and bok open training sessions, fun times, interesting to see the different pro- training methods and structures

  • Comment 47, posted at 10.11.15 13:36:13 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • Some player news which I am not sure if Rob you are aware of??

    It is in Afrikaans.

    Die NWU-Puk en Luiperds se Namibiese Wêreldbekersenter Johan Deysel oefen tans saam met die Sharks en kan moontlik nie aanstaande jaar Varsitybekerrugby vir die Noordwesters speel nie.

    Deysel het die oog gevang met sy geskiedkundige drie teen die All Blacks en oefen tans onder die wakende oog van die afrigter Robert du Preez. Die Puk het reeds hul sterskrumskakel Dillon Smit aan die Leeus afgestaan.

  • Comment 48, posted at 11.11.15 10:14:18 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 48) : Now thats a player i like. Watched him for Pukke, Leopards and Namibia. Still a raw talent and does make mistakes but a good get if true

  • Comment 49, posted at 11.11.15 10:18:40 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 48) : working on a thread as we speak

  • Comment 50, posted at 11.11.15 10:20:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 50) : Thanks Bro

  • Comment 51, posted at 11.11.15 10:26:04 by sharks_lover Reply
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