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Sharkspotting


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 13 Nov 2015 at 16:27
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We’re at that magical time of year again where we try to piece together the Sharks pre-season squad, based on photographic evidence.

It’s quite possible the Union may officially release a list of names at some point, but here’s a list of players who have definitely been “spotted” training at Kings Park this week.

In no particular order:

Franco Marais
Wandile Mjekevu
S’bura Sithole
Paul Jordaan (with short hair)
Gerhard Engelbrecht
Christie de Bruin
Thomas du Toit
Kyle Cooper
Odwa Ndungane
Hanco Venter
Andre Esterhuizen
Cobus Reinach
Inny Radebe
Garth April
Stephan Lewies
Michael Claassens
Francois Kleinhans
Lukhanyo Am (Border Bulldogs centre)
Stefan Ungerer
Philip van der Walt
David McDuling
Joe Pietersen
Monde Hadebe
Heimar Williams
Alcino Isaacs
Lionel Cronje
Daniel du Preez
Lourens Adriaanse
Jean Deysel
Etienne Oosthuizen
Mzamo Majola
Sias Koen
Kevin Lerena (yes, the boxer is back)
Sbusiso Nkosi



125 Comments

  • Was hoping to read Giant’s name.

  • Comment 1, posted at 13.11.15 16:31:13 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 1) : I don’t think we’re getting him back

  • Comment 2, posted at 13.11.15 16:35:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 1) : but remember, these are just guys whose photo’s I’ve seen. There are probably others there who managed to not get snapped.

  • Comment 3, posted at 13.11.15 16:36:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : I hope we are.

  • Comment 4, posted at 13.11.15 16:37:49 by Ben Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : Yeah, I know.

  • Comment 5, posted at 13.11.15 16:38:08 by Ben Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : not?

  • Comment 6, posted at 13.11.15 16:52:01 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : still nothing up on the sharks fb page re: training squad.

  • Comment 7, posted at 13.11.15 16:53:14 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : and kevin lerena is inside centre,right?

  • Comment 8, posted at 13.11.15 16:54:27 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • Any pictures if the four you don’t recognize Rob? Maybe put them up and we can help :D .

  • Comment 9, posted at 13.11.15 16:55:53 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 8) : he’s a boxer. Not sure if he has a rugby position :)

  • Comment 10, posted at 13.11.15 17:02:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 9) : I’m good now, got them all identified :)

  • Comment 11, posted at 13.11.15 17:03:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 9) : the ones I was battling with were Lerena, Nkosi and Koen

  • Comment 12, posted at 13.11.15 17:14:21 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 12) : Nkozi and Lewies the interesting names – the one because he seems to being fast tracked, the other because he’s presumably fit. I guess Japan, Boks, injuries and being out of shot make the missing names less interesting… Bosch is also supposed to be there no?

  • Comment 13, posted at 13.11.15 17:30:40 by JR Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) : maybe someone put in a request for sbw :D

  • Comment 14, posted at 13.11.15 17:48:02 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @JR (Comment 13) : I read in an interview hat Lewies aims to be fit by the start of Super Rugby.

    As for Bosch, bot sure if he’s arrived yet. A number of guys aren’t back in town yet. I imagine they’d give him a bit of time to settle in, but I’m pretty sure he’ll be training with the seniors.

  • Comment 15, posted at 13.11.15 18:02:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • So Currie Cup squad only so far…

  • Comment 16, posted at 13.11.15 18:03:54 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : If Giant is coming we definitely need that “he, he, he, he, he, he” signing nobody wanted to bite on… ;-)

  • Comment 17, posted at 13.11.15 18:05:14 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Judging from these pics, Coenie is also around…
    http://www.sharksrugby.co.za/index.php/component/articles/?view=article&id=2843016

  • Comment 18, posted at 13.11.15 18:33:02 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 18) : around, yes, but he wouldn’t be training yet. World Cup Springbok and all, pretty sure he still has a couple of weeks off.

  • Comment 19, posted at 13.11.15 18:41:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • if we dont get Giant back we better sign Ruan botha, otherwise we’re dead in the water

    Hyron Andrews though talented is still too young and fragile to be exposed to SR in my humble opinion

    same goes for psdt’s little brother

    concerned about the depth and quality of our lock stock, even if potgieter can play 4 along side lewies (good starting combo) behind those guys are marco and ousthuizen (ones over the hill and can give you one good game every 4 weeks, the other is Mr inconsistent)

  • Comment 20, posted at 13.11.15 19:16:56 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 21) : hyron andrew’s'stats read 2.02m 106kg.bit fragile,yes.Johan du toit 1.94/95m 108kg.
    Stormers first-choice lock pairing puts about 240kg behind their front-row.and they bring plenty of inches to the line-out.

  • Comment 21, posted at 13.11.15 19:33:00 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 21) : we need to sign ruan botha irrespective of if giant comes or not.

  • Comment 22, posted at 13.11.15 19:38:00 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • Ok so the sharks have not released the full training [email protected]:thanks for putting this article up.

  • Comment 23, posted at 13.11.15 19:45:42 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 22) : I agree, would prefer if we got them both

    I prefer we not rush either young lock, unless their actually ready for the physical demands of SR

    but who knows maybe they are already, we’re not the coaching staff on the training ground with them so lets see how it pans out

  • Comment 24, posted at 13.11.15 20:14:59 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 19) : ;-) Just looking for pics that confirm the Sharks squad… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 25, posted at 13.11.15 20:44:47 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 21) : Yes, and most of the other franchises in SA too.
    Cheetahs can select from Lood de Jager (205/120), Carl Wegner (201/118), Dennis Visser (201/120).
    Bulls can select from RG Snyman (206/118), Grant Hattingh (200/112), Jason Jenkins (201/120)
    Lions have Lourens Erasmus (205/120), JP du Preez (209/115)

  • Comment 26, posted at 13.11.15 20:48:19 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 26) : Do you know Franco Mostert’s stats?

  • Comment 27, posted at 13.11.15 20:50:19 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 21) : @KingCheetah (Comment 26) : If we do get:
    Ruan Botha – 205, 118kg
    Tjluee Uanivi – 200, 110
    Stefan Lewies – 201, 115
    Ettienne Oosthuizen – 198, 120
    Jacques Potgieter – 194, 115
    …we’ll be fine…
    Just get those confirmations in…

  • Comment 28, posted at 13.11.15 20:58:37 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 27) : Can the Wikipedia stats of 198 and 103 be right…is he that small? Wow…

  • Comment 29, posted at 13.11.15 21:00:33 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 27) : Franco Mostert is 198/112 according to the Lions website

  • Comment 30, posted at 13.11.15 21:02:39 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 28) : I saw some Premiership sides were also interested in Uanivi. Is he in official negotiation with the Sharks?

  • Comment 31, posted at 13.11.15 21:19:12 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 29) : uanivi is a 4-lock.dob 31 dec 1990.strong scrummager?can also play flank.
    We need the sharks locks to scrum.whatever the player’s weight he must scrum with everything he has.
    The whole pack must scrum.

  • Comment 32, posted at 13.11.15 22:42:47 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 29) : i would bring in sykes if i could and drop one of those 5 on your list out of the sr team.

  • Comment 33, posted at 13.11.15 22:48:28 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 30) : wiki is a bit dodgy with those stats .

  • Comment 34, posted at 13.11.15 22:50:01 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 27) : former shark age group player gideon koegelenberg 1.99m 115kg also at the lions.

  • Comment 35, posted at 13.11.15 22:57:14 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • seems like we’re actually making progress in addressing our lock issues, the front three will have a tough time in the scrums it they dont have sufficient lock support

  • Comment 36, posted at 14.11.15 00:00:40 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 37) :stormers options at tighthead prop: malherbe, koch, frans van wyk (20), wilco louw (21)signed from the bulls at the end of 2014.

  • Comment 37, posted at 14.11.15 02:09:09 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • Malherbe (24) and koch (25).sharks should look to get one of louw or van wyk imo.

  • Comment 38, posted at 14.11.15 06:08:13 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 37) : and the locks will have a tough time in the line-out if the hookers dont start getting the basics right.hoping cooper regains his form and some.looks like a shoot-out (or throw-out?)between cooper,hadebe and marais for 2 spots.
    Perhaps the sharks also try a prop at hooker,ie coenie or gerhard engelbrecht (who was used at 2 in warm-up game vs lions).if they do this,id like to see adriaanse also trialed there.doesnt mean they also still cant play th.or the th could be the player throwing in at the line-out?

  • Comment 39, posted at 14.11.15 06:24:11 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) : Bosch will not be there as he’s busy writing grade 12 exams and will have atleast 3 language papers left before his done (I know cause my daughter is also writing).

  • Comment 40, posted at 14.11.15 08:38:42 by JD Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 37) : Wilco Louw showed great promise in the CC for WP. Frans van Wyk is a big boy. WP have got great depth in the scrums, but they will need the same in the backline.

  • Comment 41, posted at 14.11.15 09:00:49 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 42) : my thinking is do either or both of louw and van wyk want to play 3rd and 4th choice at the stormers?they will be living off the scraps left by malherbe and koch.both louw and van wyk are not from the cape (from up north).van wyk is actually from monument and should know esterhuizen.we should look to target both but definitely one .perhaps thomas can go back to loosehead prop.seems like there quite a few good th around now sudddenly.unless he really wants to play there.
    Same goes for daniel du plessis and ew viljoen.how long will either of them be content to live off the scraps?there is a lot of talent in the junior ranks down in the cape and also in the sharks u21s.just need to smart with recruiting.admittedly this wont be easy.but wp managed to lure wilco louw away from pta.

  • Comment 42, posted at 14.11.15 09:27:43 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 42) :louw is 1.85 133kg (20) and van wyk 1.89/90 125/128kg (21).

  • Comment 43, posted at 14.11.15 09:29:49 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 41) : @50shadesofshark (Comment 37) : must say if Koch or the youngsters stay behind Malherbe all season at least one of them should be looking to move to get game time, just hope Sharks is wake up enough to then to lure them to Durbs!

  • Comment 44, posted at 14.11.15 09:30:27 by JD Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 43) : ja can’t see all of them remaining at WP one ore two will move and I just wonder how long Koch will be OK if he does not get to start matches.

  • Comment 45, posted at 14.11.15 09:34:02 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 46) : koch was born in empangeni but not schooled in kzn it seems.

  • Comment 46, posted at 14.11.15 09:58:02 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 43) : Wilco is a big boy, and surprisingly mobile.
    I fear my Cheetahs don’t have the financial resources to buy, so it will be the slow development route for Franco.
    I am relieved that Caylib Oosthuiseen has finally been released. Only prop more useless that I have seen play for the Cheetahs was Caldo.

    Haven’t seen much of the new TH that played in the WC for Namibia, but I think Luan de Bruin did well for us in the CC. Make van Dyk hasn’t quite hit his straps yet, but maybe with a better LH we will see his worth.
    Our options aren’t as prominent as the other unions, but Cheetahs have shown they can be competitive with just parity in the set pieces.
    Our front row options (height/weight/age)

    LH: BG Uys (190/117/27), Danie Mienie (178/115/25), Teunis Nieuwoudt (186/118/24)
    HKR: Jacques du Toit (184/103/22), Neil Rautenbach (178/98/25), Elandre Huggett (178/108/24), Torsten v Jaarsveld (175/108/29), Joseph Dweba (175/105/20)
    TH: Luan de Bruin (183/126/23), Maks van Dyk (186/118/24), Johan (Aranos) Coetzee (187/122/27)

    Any of those players with Lood/Carl Wegner/Dennis Visser behind them can make for a pretty decent tight 5.
    I would play Paul Schoeman/Boo at 6. Uys/Henco Venter at 7 and Willie Britz at 8

  • Comment 47, posted at 14.11.15 10:42:14 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 48) : need 3 solid options in each of the front-row positions.the cheetahs are a tough team always.never-say-die attitude.maybe you guys coud pick up a kings player or two if the team does fold.very sad what is happening there in ec rugby.only one no8 in britz?perhaps agaba?

  • Comment 48, posted at 14.11.15 11:00:55 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 48) : thought seargal peterson was a great buy.actually expected him to be a bok by now.

  • Comment 49, posted at 14.11.15 11:04:35 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 48) : Neil Jordan is the other recognised 8. He is still a work in progress.
    The Cheetahs have quite a few exciting loose forwards. They could opt to play Paul Schoeman at 6, Uys at 7 and Boom at 8.
    All a horses for courses approach. Boom is a very underrated player. He has played 6 and 8.

    These are our Loosie options,
    6: Boom Prinsloo (184/104/27), Gerhard Olivier (189/104/23), Paul Schoeman (188/108/23)
    7: Tienie Burger (193/106/22), Henco Venter (193/107/24), Uzair Cassiem (189/98//26), Oupa Mohoje (193/108/25), Francois Uys (195/114/30)
    8: Niell Jordaan (190/103/24), Willie Britz (193/105/27), Steven Meiring (188/100/22)

    That said I am sure Armandt Koster could also play 7 Armandt Koster (193/108/26).

    In addition to the main lock options I mentioned earlier, Boela Serfontein ex Pumas (196/116/27) can play 4, and Reniel Hugo (197/110/25), can play 5.

  • Comment 50, posted at 14.11.15 11:13:08 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 49) : There are some who think he is rubbish, but I rate him. He has pace, a good workmate, and he is a good finisher.
    Together with Rhule, Blommetjies, and Coenie van Wyk, we field a promising back three. Benjamin useful cover.

  • Comment 51, posted at 14.11.15 11:42:30 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 51) :
    There is no substitute for pure athleticism, particularly for outside backs. The kid was good as a teen – he can only improve in a creative team like the Cheetahs – chasing the high ball all day is not his forte.

    I think he is the quickest provincial player ever in SA. Has an official 100m PB of about 10.4. Quick enough to represent SA in international athletics for a few years before fully focusing on rugby.

  • Comment 52, posted at 14.11.15 14:16:55 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 52) : I agree, he is blindingly quick, an absolute must for a wing. He is also quite strong, and has good footwork. What is your opinion of Rhule. He seems to be getting his form back too?

  • Comment 53, posted at 14.11.15 15:13:49 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 52) : @KingCheetah (Comment 53) : must say I think neither of them had a great 2015 but I also think both of them have huge potential!!!

  • Comment 54, posted at 14.11.15 15:21:38 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 54) : Lol, none of our guys had a particularly good season in Super rugby. Thought the Cheetahs backline especially Venter, Rhule, Blommetjies and Sergeal came on strong in the CC. There was more fluidity in their attack with Zeilanga and Neil Marais.

    The less said about my fragile (mentally) friend Sias Ebersohn, the better. Many criticised Naka heavily for his treatment of Sias at the time. He was proven correct. That boy is as up and down as a see-saw!

  • Comment 55, posted at 14.11.15 15:46:23 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 53) : I have a lot of respect for Petersen especially in todays age when everyone wants wings the size of locks. Imagine though if he could play scrummie. What a danger.

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 53) :
    Rhule is good. Some fundamentals that need work, but then again he had also floated around a few positionseconds in the past.

    What makes the Cheetahs and Lions different right now is that they seem to trust their coaching systems enough to take talented players with some limitations and get the best out of their strengths while working on their gap areas.

    Not new either really – would Willie, Floors, Brussouw or Jantjies have been backed at other unions? I doubt it.

  • Comment 57, posted at 14.11.15 21:01:52 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 57) : Yes, that much is true. Though Naka was vilified by many, these players were lured by him, and might never have been given a shot elsewhere.
    I do like what I am hearing about Franco Smith, in that he does encourage the players to play what is in front of them. He has backed Varsity Cup players, and by and large they have come through for him. He might just be what the cheetahs rugby need, to develop a team, because they won’t be buying a team anytime soon.

  • Comment 58, posted at 14.11.15 21:08:11 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 58) : i believe a team must have a game plan to succeed but it must be adaptable so that players can play what’s in front of them. Some teams are so rigid that players will pass the ball with a gap in front of them or kick a ball with a huge overlap just because that is the play that was called.

  • Comment 59, posted at 14.11.15 23:05:21 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 59) : Very true, and it was evident in the Sharks play the season past. They would just hoof it down when in their own half, rarely looking to exploit gaps to run.

    The same happened to the cheetahs, they sometimes tended to want to run, even when in their own half, when a kick was the clear option. That can be put down to a set game plan, instead of playing the situation, as you say.

  • Comment 60, posted at 15.11.15 09:11:42 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 59) : Its called individual brilliance. Few players have that situational awareness but its awesome to see.

  • Comment 61, posted at 15.11.15 14:58:07 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 61) : have to disagree a bit with you. If more players are given the freedom to play what’s in front of them (within reason) you will find a lot of players actually have the vision but currently they just don’t have the backing of the coaches to do it.

  • Comment 62, posted at 15.11.15 17:46:28 by JD Reply
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  • According to Rapport Obi and Gqoboka are going to the Bulls – confirmed and Agaba will decide tomorrow if he will go to the Bulls or Lions.

  • Comment 63, posted at 15.11.15 17:52:12 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 63) : Bulls indicated that Obi is being looked at for their Junior teams. Wonder how he feels about going from a Super Rugby option, to Junior rugby?
    They already have Travis Ismal, Jamba Ulengo, Warrick Gelant, and Bjorn Basson. Galant, if they shift Krile to FB

  • Comment 64, posted at 15.11.15 18:30:55 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 64) : mentions tom botha tighthead prop ,also looking at options.

  • Comment 65, posted at 15.11.15 18:45:13 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 65) : wonder for how much the bulls signed him,then?at 22 stil young.
    Mjekevu was an impressive attacking force in his superrugby debut season,but has not regained that form.hope he does.

  • Comment 66, posted at 15.11.15 18:51:04 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 66) : If he is 22, surely he isn’t eligible to play in the Junior tiers? So as usual the Bulls media statements made little sense.

  • Comment 67, posted at 15.11.15 19:37:08 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 63) : Not surprised. Had hoped we would have got some of those stars. As usual, we are putting our hopes on old guys like Odwa and Wentzel, and juniors that are not good enough all in the spirit of building a family. Seems like our focus is more on the soft issues and less on the hard technical issues hence our game is ridiculed with mediocrity.

  • Comment 68, posted at 15.11.15 20:15:00 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 69) : tom botha tighthead prop is said to be ‘looking at his options’.

  • Comment 69, posted at 15.11.15 20:40:22 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 68) : you have seen how many new players they’ve signed for next season right – and a new assistant coach? Some of the negativity on this site is getting ridiculous – the 2 du Preez boys, du Toit, Esterhuizen, Joubert, Nkozi, Bosch – there are some fantastic juniors, a number of new players and the challenge next year is going to be to get the guys playing like a team. The team spirit thing matters – as individuals, you wouldn’t have fancied too many of the Liions players a couple of seasons ago but familiarity, playing for each other and the same guys look like world beaters…

  • Comment 70, posted at 15.11.15 20:43:40 by JR Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 68) : yes,did sound strange.that’s why i went and made certain of his age.perhaps a junior contract??vodacom rugby?and pay-as-you-play superrugby clause?

  • Comment 71, posted at 15.11.15 20:46:38 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @JR (Comment 71) : and maybe 2 locks also heading to durban.ruan botha and uanivi?
    Also ralepele.

  • Comment 72, posted at 15.11.15 20:50:24 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • Imo sharks focus re: 2016 sr season should be to again make king’s park the shark tank .make opposition teams fear coming to play in durban.win every home game.ensure the best sharks team is available for the home games.

  • Comment 73, posted at 15.11.15 21:06:18 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 73) : in contrast to last season, I’m not sure our first fifteen is that clear-cut. I’m hoping to see what Venter looked to be starting in that Currie Cup win pre-White – a squad interchangeably playing good rugby with players coming in and looking like they should have been there for ages.

  • Comment 74, posted at 15.11.15 22:29:06 by JR Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 42) : Louw is from down south. Went to primary school in Wolseley and played for hts drostdy in worcester during high school

  • Comment 75, posted at 15.11.15 23:38:30 by HeinF Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 76) : ok so he left the cape for the bulls and then went back.

  • Comment 76, posted at 16.11.15 06:22:13 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 76) : Yep,probably got a good offer from the bulls and realised they will still play their current props for the next 10 years and decided to come back ;)

  • Comment 77, posted at 16.11.15 07:17:33 by HeinF Reply

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  • @JR (Comment 70) : Yes, they have done very well in beefing up the squad. I will give them that. Lock and centre remain a crisis and I haven’t heard any announcement with regards to those positions. Gary and John said they will leave no stone unturned and that is what I want to see. Over the past year, all the young upcoming centres in the country have signed with the Cheetahs. How is that possible when we have a centre problem? Fact of the matter is that most of the country’s up and coming gifted players sign for other unions and a lot of that boils down to talent identification and succession planning. Odwa is a 34 year old wing and Wentzel a 37 year old lock ..where is the succession planning? I’m sure us Sharks fans know very well that having a good team spirit and environment means nothing if the technical aspects of the game and what is delivered on the field is shit. For the longest time our team has been unbalanced and it seems like it does not contain players that compliment each other which make it easier to defend against. The team only has Paul and to a certain Joe that can use the step to break defences down. Compare that to all the teams that finished above us in SR and CC 2015. So if there are players available that can add balance to our attack..I want us to be first in the queue. Bosch will bring lots of balance but when? He is only 18. So what happens next year? Andre bashes it up….Cobus slowly clears the ball, it goes to JPP at 13 who then passes a slow pass it to Odwa on the wing who gets caught by the opponent’s lock. Lol….get my drift?

  • Comment 78, posted at 16.11.15 07:28:14 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 78) : think he might find he is 3rd choice at the stormers.

  • Comment 79, posted at 16.11.15 07:55:44 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 79) : re: lock there is talk of ruan botha and uanivi.
    Sounds like there is quite a few inside centres at pre-season training,but not many outside centres.perhaps the thinking is to play esterhuizen on the wing?use him as a wing/fullback?played for the u21s in the semi at 15.
    Outside centre? Jordaan murray sithole mjekevu ?jpp??think lukhanyo am from border might be an outside centre.

  • Comment 80, posted at 16.11.15 08:08:26 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • Outside centre needs to have a high workrate,because he is constantly moving from one side of the field to the other.

  • Comment 81, posted at 16.11.15 08:16:11 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • Thanks for throwing down some names Rob but as we both know naming a training squad means very little as players often move in and out. Some come and go on trial etc. Then not forgetting the Boks resting as well as those in France and we will only really get a clearer picture in the new year. I think what we need to realise is that i dont think we will be signing another 5 big name players. At most 1 or 2 if we lucky. Barring a few guys coming on a trial and club guys the backline is what is is. I am hoping a few club guys get a look in though as thats how JP Pieterson and Mvovo got their chance. Up front my depth concerns are tighthead prop and lock…i think we backing a few injury prone guys in those areas.

  • Comment 82, posted at 16.11.15 08:16:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 83) : re: tighthead prop,read tom botha is looking at his options.hoping the sharks is one of those options.

  • Comment 83, posted at 16.11.15 08:27:05 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 83) : if the sharks do get botha and uanivi that would be great news.sykes?

  • Comment 84, posted at 16.11.15 08:36:20 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 62) : I think they have to take the risk and price the coach wrong. Not many coaches will back down from their set plans for players and if your boss says do something my way you sometimes have to take the risks to show him there is a better way.

  • Comment 85, posted at 16.11.15 08:48:08 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 83) : Tom Botha is a tighthead yes…im just not convinced of his ability just yet as havnt really watched him that much. @50shadesofshark (Comment 84) : I havnt heard anything reg. Uanivi other than he is under contract at a French side. Sykes looks to be staying at Kings. The Ruan Botha thing seemed to be happening but now just a rumour again so not sure…

  • Comment 86, posted at 16.11.15 08:49:48 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 85) : Its all well and good playing whats in front of you but you need to all be following a general plan. If you have 15 guys just playing whats in front of them we will turn the ball over almost every ruck as nobody will be in position and know where we are setting targets etc. This isnt 7s. Structure is important. Its how players play within that structure thats the key.

  • Comment 87, posted at 16.11.15 08:53:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 87) : re: tom botha: neither have i to be honest.

  • Comment 88, posted at 16.11.15 08:53:50 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 88) : Assuming we can get and keep the guys fit we do have Coenie, Adriaanse,Du Toit, Engelbrecht as the TH options so i have a feeling they may leave it at that

  • Comment 89, posted at 16.11.15 09:29:16 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 78) : Hmmmm Which up and coming centres have the Cheetahs signed? Only William Small-Smith. Who has not realised is undeniable potential. The rest were all with the Cheetahs or Griquas, and hence in the Cheetahs Super Rugby network. Mike vd Spuy has however joined the Cheetahs. He is another, that has undeniable potential, and maybe he will realise it at the Cheetahs.

  • Comment 90, posted at 16.11.15 09:47:48 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 90) : Is Benjamin still with th Cheetahs or has he also gone the 7s route? Im surprised that Sergeal Peterson hasnt tried the 7s route. Perhaps he did the maths and reckoned he has a better shot at the Cheetahs starting side

  • Comment 91, posted at 16.11.15 10:13:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 89) : got to remember we have Kramer and Moloi both coming up as well. Decent young tightheads and if we now sign too many additional guys, we will lose them.

  • Comment 92, posted at 16.11.15 10:16:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • Good morning Sharkspotters………………..Brendan Venter has been found, (right at the bottom of the pond disquised amongst the crud and detritus) putting the knife in and twisting it, in Jake Whites back. The same Jake White that he smeared off on us Sharkies.
    http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/former-bok-slams-jake-white-20151114-2

    Nice people these.

  • Comment 93, posted at 16.11.15 10:18:42 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 93) : yes it is always a fine balancing act.i think wp might get caught out,because there is a lot of talent in their junior ranks.

  • Comment 94, posted at 16.11.15 10:20:36 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 78) : I’d love to know who you are in real life… you called the Chilliboy move weeks before it was made public.

  • Comment 95, posted at 16.11.15 10:21:15 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 93) : perhaps bring in an experienced tighthead on a one-year deal?is kramer and moloi in the coaches minds ready for senior rugby next year (superrugby)?

  • Comment 96, posted at 16.11.15 10:23:56 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 92) : Yeh thats my feeling as to why we prob wont be signing anyone unless someone goes down with a long term injury before the season starts

  • Comment 97, posted at 16.11.15 10:27:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 93) : well, at least Mr “I forgot to coach defence” won’t be bothering us this season.

  • Comment 98, posted at 16.11.15 10:30:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 98) : haha u sure?? Wait till we win a couple games and he becomes technical analyst again…

  • Comment 99, posted at 16.11.15 10:37:13 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 93) : @robdylan (Comment 98) : hahaha reminds me of the pot and kettle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Both of them had great coaching credentials but of late I really don’t want anyone of them near my team as lately both have failed to empress with their results!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 100, posted at 16.11.15 10:45:50 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 91) : Yes Benji is still in he squad. He has immense utility value. Can cover 9/12/14. Has oodles of x-factor. Yes he does make errors, but he also creates a lot. Think he is getting a bit long in the tooth fro 7′s. he will be 33 next year.

  • Comment 101, posted at 16.11.15 10:46:49 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 101) : Yeh he is a strong runner- i just think he is a stop gap at 12 but can offer more value on the wing or even at fb.

  • Comment 102, posted at 16.11.15 10:55:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 101) : @SheldonK (Comment 102) : must say he really surprised me at 12 and for the last couple of years he has really performed for the Cheetahs! As for 7′s yes he might be a bit old but can teach the youngsters and new guys a lot as he has lots of experience!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 103, posted at 16.11.15 11:06:32 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 98) : :oops:

  • Comment 104, posted at 16.11.15 11:11:25 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 85) : sounds easy but in reality it’s not as easy as it sounds especially is you know you’re not his number one choice! If you’re number one choice you can be more “adventures” and probably get away with it. Just remember most people tend to remember what went wrong rather than what went right!

  • Comment 105, posted at 16.11.15 11:33:26 by JD Reply
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  • Where’s Johan Deysel?

  • Comment 106, posted at 16.11.15 11:43:05 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Booooooo

  • Comment 107, posted at 16.11.15 15:20:23 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 107) : what now?

  • Comment 108, posted at 16.11.15 15:33:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 104) : coaching lineup will apparently be confirmed tomorrow. He won’t be part of it.

  • Comment 109, posted at 16.11.15 15:33:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 95) : just an obsessed Sharks rugby fan that eats and lives the Sharks. Coincidence that I spoke about the importance of balance in your game if you want to improve your attack and a few hours later Eddie Jones speaks about the same thing.

  • Comment 110, posted at 16.11.15 15:40:38 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 109) : That’s good news. Need someone that is committed to the cause.

  • Comment 111, posted at 16.11.15 15:42:22 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 107) : Nothing, just listening for an echo.

  • Comment 112, posted at 16.11.15 16:24:57 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 109) : well if he was to be part of it then we could view it as a new appointment. Has he really been on the books the last few months?

  • Comment 113, posted at 16.11.15 16:27:13 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 109) : Any surprises, like someone from the Eastern Cape?

  • Comment 114, posted at 16.11.15 16:41:42 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 109) : I’m looking forward to that…

  • Comment 115, posted at 16.11.15 17:14:54 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 113) : I hope he stays in the Western Cape and spends his time getting up Eddie Jone’s nose,he could just drive the little half aussie to drink.

  • Comment 116, posted at 16.11.15 17:24:55 by The hound Reply
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  • Good news! Giant IS back!

  • Comment 117, posted at 18.11.15 10:47:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 117) : Can he play tighthead? ;)

  • Comment 118, posted at 18.11.15 10:51:08 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 118) : so that’s giant and ruan botha confirmed.plus waiting un i avi one?

  • Comment 119, posted at 18.11.15 11:06:42 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 117) : good news, now who’s the new tight head and hooker? :twisted:

  • Comment 120, posted at 18.11.15 11:23:58 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 120) : Chiliboy is the new hooker :)

  • Comment 121, posted at 18.11.15 11:26:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • Pukke & Leopards fullback, Rhyno Smith, apparently is also prcticing at the sharks on a try-out

  • Comment 122, posted at 18.11.15 16:12:10 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 122) : Now thats a good player…

  • Comment 123, posted at 18.11.15 16:19:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 122) : Hope that’s true!

  • Comment 124, posted at 18.11.15 16:25:49 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 122) : Was secretly hoping for this.

  • Comment 125, posted at 18.11.15 16:54:24 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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