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Sharks under 19′s for 2016 confirmed


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks on 24 Nov 2015 at 11:28
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We’ve received a list of the 14 contracted players who will join the Sharks as under 19s next year. A big thanks to Sharks Commercial Manager Jacques Botes for helping out with this info. What a legend!

First on the list is a big local loosehead prop who is no stranger to the Sharks setup. Glenwood’s Chris Klopper is a fine player indeed and even featured a few times for the Sharks under 19s this year towards the latter stages of the campaign. He played for the SA Schools A side this year and is sure to be a mainstay in Paul Anthony’s pack in 2014. Providing additional depth on the left hand side of the scrum is big Bishops looshead William Day. The other side of the scrum has not been neglected either, another Glenwood boy, 113kg Khutha Mchunu, contracted as a tighthead. Khutha represented the KZN Craven Week team this year.

At hooker, Ben Vorster’s Hanco Taljaard will join the team next year. He has played for the somewhat unfancied Limpopo Blue Bulls at Craven Week for the last two years.

There are three locks in the mix; hard-working Lihan Viljoen from Noordkaap (a Griquas Craven Week representative) and Clifferd Jacobs (from Pionier in Vryheid) are both on the shorter side of the spectrum, with Jacobs in particular a bit of a rough diamond who could excel in the back row. Clifton’s Andrew Evans, though, is a monster at 2.04m and 100+kg, a good sign for a team that has battled to sign really tall locks at junior level in the past.

Completing the forward contingent are Glenwood’s SA Schools “A” number 8 Marco Palvie (who will be in Matric next year as an under 19 player) and DHS captain Mthokozisi Ntuli. Ntuli, like Evans, played for KZN at Academy Week this year.

Flyhalf Curwin Bosch, of course, needs no further introduction; we’ve already profiled him a number of times and let’s face it, he’s never going to see an under 19 game in his life.

James Tedder, a centre from Kearsney, joins older cousin Tristan who played flyhalf for the under 19s this year. Tedder was an important cog in the Kearnsey backline this season and capped off a good year with KZN Craven Week selection. Also contracted in the midfield is Paarl Gim speedster Taigh Schoor, a veteran of the WP Academy Week team in 2014 and 2015 who will need to use his skills to make up for a relative lack of size.

Wingers Mfundo Ndlovu and Ilunga Mukendi complete the intake. Mukendi, who is highly rated in KZN circles, is the fourth Glenwood boy in the equation; he played Craven Week for KZN in 2014. Ndlovu, from Standerton, impressed for the Pumas at age-group level and also won selection to the SA School Sevens team that recently won gold at the Commonwealth Youth Games in Samoa.

Welcome to the Sharks, all of you!



64 Comments

  • Nice, didn’t take as long as expect hey Rob :P

    “is sure to be a mainstay in Paul Anthony’s pack in 2014″
    I question the likelihood of that happening. ;)

  • Comment 1, posted at 24.11.15 11:32:38 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 1) : haha… yes, I was quite pleasantly surprised.

    Botes is a good bloke.

  • Comment 2, posted at 24.11.15 11:33:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : Didn’t realise that Botes is the new Commercial Manager (wasn’t this the position formerly held by Straeulli?)

  • Comment 3, posted at 24.11.15 11:35:14 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Serious question though, 14 contracted players is not even a starting team…. How does that work?

  • Comment 4, posted at 24.11.15 11:36:53 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 4) : don’t get me started….

  • Comment 5, posted at 24.11.15 11:43:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 4) : wait till the Lions, WP and Bulls U19 recruitment list is released. Sharks still sucking hind tit (apart from Bosch) when it comes to signing the best schoolboy talent around

  • Comment 6, posted at 24.11.15 11:48:57 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 4) : The remainder of the u19s will be made up from the fee paying member sof the academy as well as the guys that the local clubs have “acquired/contracted”. For those thinking the Sharks are flush with cash…yeh well no

  • Comment 7, posted at 24.11.15 11:51:44 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 5) :@slammerboy (Comment 6) : @SheldonK (Comment 7) : I guess they spent all the money buying a hotel for the few they do contract.

  • Comment 8, posted at 24.11.15 11:53:43 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 8) : Hotel + Bosch = not much cash left

  • Comment 9, posted at 24.11.15 11:55:49 by slammerboy Reply
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  • @slammerboy (Comment 6) : think 17 memebers of wp craven week team will be playing their rugby in the cape next season.

  • Comment 10, posted at 24.11.15 12:05:57 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • I dont really know the KZN schools players but ones that caught the eye whom I was hoping would stay in KZN but are not on that list are Jordan Sesink-Clee, Mathew Wiseman, Matt Dahl, Bader-Pretorius, Victor Vorster.
    Very chuffed that Chris Klopper and Marco Palvie from my favourites list are still there.

  • Comment 11, posted at 24.11.15 12:06:30 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : thanks for the article rob ,and thanks to jacques botes for being so quick with the reply.

  • Comment 12, posted at 24.11.15 12:08:53 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 11) : Scary thing is we can’t even hang on to a lot of our craven week side.

  • Comment 13, posted at 24.11.15 12:17:08 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 13) : We are assuming that the whole craven week side is pursuing a rugby career though…some may not be

  • Comment 14, posted at 24.11.15 12:26:58 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @slammerboy (Comment 9) : @Seth101 (Comment 8) : the hotel should be seen as a future investment for the sharks academy and therefore the sharks.
    curwin bosch is a player signing.many teams were chasing his signature.

  • Comment 15, posted at 24.11.15 12:28:41 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • There is incentive for the u19 students at the sharjs academy then.also the u19s playing in the local club rugby leagues.

  • Comment 16, posted at 24.11.15 12:31:36 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • There is incentive for the u19 students at the sharks academy then.also the u19s playing in the local club rugby leagues.

  • Comment 17, posted at 24.11.15 12:32:07 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 15) : Sure if hedging your bets is your kind of thing. Personally I believe in the “a wide net catches the most fish” approach.

  • Comment 18, posted at 24.11.15 12:33:04 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Actually think this could be the most players the sharks have recruited in recent times re: u19s?

  • Comment 19, posted at 24.11.15 12:34:02 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 19) : Nope, was 14 last year, no idea about previous years.

  • Comment 20, posted at 24.11.15 12:35:41 by Seth101 Reply
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  • 2014 -14
    2015 – 12
    2016 – 14

    So it’s not any worse than it has been, but personally I’d like to see us bringing in more players. A minimum of 15 would makes sense…no?

  • Comment 21, posted at 24.11.15 12:38:46 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 21) : The tricky part about signing so many is that you never really know how a guy will do outside the very structured school environment. So last thing you want is 25 contracted guys getting paid and most of them arent actually playing in the provincial u19 side and adding value

  • Comment 22, posted at 24.11.15 12:43:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 15) : Totally agree – Bosch is a great signing and it’d be great to see more positivity. Generally, the hit rate on producing really quality players has been pretty good in my view despite the lack of numbers. Some much improved recruitment for the full squad – and some nice signings at this level – we may not win the U19s next year but that’s missing the point surely?

  • Comment 23, posted at 24.11.15 12:45:26 by JR Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 22) : But that’s why I say at the very least we should cover 1-15 of the starting side…. We have 14 players, two looseheads, with no scrumhalf or fullback…

  • Comment 24, posted at 24.11.15 12:47:50 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 21) : think it might have been 8 in 2013?not sure.the sharks had a policy of signing only players with re: to the future requirements of the senior team.that should explain the results of the junior teams.big up to the u21s this season,who went out there and was competitive.
    lets see what the u19 coaches do with the contracted players and those from the academy and the clubs.sounds like the sharks will have a varsity cup side with an agreement being reached with the leopards.

  • Comment 25, posted at 24.11.15 12:47:54 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 24) : There will be guys on academy bursaries. Guys on bursaries to UKZN and also guys on Varsity College Bursaries that will complete the side. They also use some guys still at school. As i said i dont think the cash is as flush as we think

  • Comment 26, posted at 24.11.15 12:57:19 by SheldonK Reply

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  • What would be interesting is to take the team list from the last u19 game and see how many of those guys were contracted at start of 2015…

  • Comment 27, posted at 24.11.15 13:06:57 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 27) : Given the results at U19, not sure whether that would prove too much… Maybe more interesting – see how many of the very decent U21 side from last year were contracted at U19 level? I’m guessing no more than two thirds but I’m prepared to look like a fool on this…

  • Comment 28, posted at 24.11.15 13:31:23 by JR Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 27) :
    Chris Lines Fullback Kearsney
    Morne Joubert Utility Back Glenwood
    Tristan Tedder Flyhalf Kearsney
    Ngoni Chidoma Prop Northwood
    Kabelo Motloung Prop Northwood
    Erich Kankowksi Hooker Piketberg
    Christie van der Merwe Lock Piketberg
    Rikus Zwart Lock Noord Kaap
    Jaywinn Juries Scrumhalf Hentie Cilliers
    Sbusiso “Lomu” Nkosi Wing Jeppe
    Wayno Visagie Centre Paarl Gim
    Barend Smit Utility Back HTS Middelburg

  • Comment 29, posted at 24.11.15 13:41:01 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @JR (Comment 28) : The u19 comparison would be interesting. If most of the lineup was contracted then it shows that contracting good school boys doesnt always translate to success. If a lot were not contracted then what happened to the guys that were contracted? And then also why were the guys playing not contracted initially?

  • Comment 30, posted at 24.11.15 13:43:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 29) : So are those 12 the guys contracted as per the last match? 12 of 23…hmmm interesting

  • Comment 31, posted at 24.11.15 13:44:47 by SheldonK Reply

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  • It would be nice to have uber strong teams across the board but in all honesty Id be very happy if the juniour teams dont win everything but do supply the right players at the right time to keep the seniors on the top rung.

  • Comment 32, posted at 24.11.15 13:45:47 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 31) : no those are just the names of the 12 players contracted for u19s for 2015.
    sharks u19 contracts for 2014: johan du toit hyron andrews ayron schramm mzwandile mazibuko jean-luc du preez thomas du toit ruan kramer daniel du preez retief marais (brother of peet and jandre) innocent radebe marius louw andrew du plessis

  • Comment 33, posted at 24.11.15 13:53:28 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 32) : Creating a winning culture throughout is very important. You want guys coming through that know how to win. Yes of course its important to have guys with good skill sets etc but that tough mental aspect is very important.

  • Comment 34, posted at 24.11.15 13:54:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @slammerboy (Comment 9) : money well spent!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 35, posted at 24.11.15 13:56:01 by JD Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 33) : Barend Smit never came.

  • Comment 36, posted at 24.11.15 13:56:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • My question is simply, “how many of these players would make the SA U20 team?

  • Comment 37, posted at 24.11.15 13:57:08 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : Nice one Rob and lot’s of thanx to Jacques!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 38, posted at 24.11.15 13:57:59 by JD Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 29) :Teams from the last game
    Under 19 Under 21
    Morne Joubert 15 Alrin Eksteen
    S’busiso Nkosi 14 Neil Maritz
    Christopher Lines 13 Nkululeko Marwana
    Alwayno Visagie 12 Marius Louw (Capt)
    Tristan Blewett 11 Sipho Mkhize
    Tristan Tedder 10 Innocent Radebe
    Jaywinn Juries 9 Rowan Gouws
    Rowan Coetzer 8 Ayron Schramm
    Bernadus Haring 7 Retief Marais
    Michael Meyer (Capt) 6 Graham Geldenhuys
    Christiaan van der Merwe 5 Hyron Andrews
    Rikus Zwart 4 Johan du Toit
    Johnathan Vorster 3 Mthunzi Moloi
    Bradley Roberts 2 Andrew du Plessis
    Marq-Anthony Lombard 1 Mzamo Majola
    Replacements
    Erich Kankowski 16 Kerron van Vuuren
    Wentzel Vorster 17 Barend Potgieter
    Kabelo Motloung 18 Ruan Kramer
    Dunran MacDonald 19 Jean Droste
    Ulric Sellar 20 Wian Vosloo
    Willem Badenhorst 21 Lotter Pretorious
    Kyle Rhode 22 Riaan O’neill
    Brent Christoffels 23
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    - See more at: http://www.sharksrugby.co.za/index.php/component/articles/?view=article&id=2842885#sthash.r2sfXLxI.dpuf

  • Comment 39, posted at 24.11.15 14:02:09 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 37) : complex question to answer due to player’s natural ability plus coaching plus personal drive?some players just need the opportunity.
    marcell coetzee never made kzn craven week.

  • Comment 40, posted at 24.11.15 14:07:22 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 40) : True…some players thrive in the structured school environment but struggle out of school. Where as for others the more freedom allows them to fully express their talents.

  • Comment 41, posted at 24.11.15 14:09:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 39) : thanks.interesting both u21 loosehead props are training with pre-season superrugby squad.

  • Comment 42, posted at 24.11.15 14:10:46 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 33) : Yeah and of that list, du Toit and the du Preez brothers have played SA U20 and more importantly have progressed to the full side at the age of 20, Schramm, Radebe, Andrews and Louw are in the SR squad – and Kramer was in the SA U20 system until just before the squad was picked. Very few of those guys (if any) just haven’t made it. Looks like great contracting to me.

  • Comment 43, posted at 24.11.15 14:16:57 by JR Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) : thanks.where did he go to?

  • Comment 44, posted at 24.11.15 14:18:08 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @JR (Comment 43) : yes agree.

  • Comment 45, posted at 24.11.15 14:20:27 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • The one thing I struggle with a bit is this new policy of U19s play U19s only – personally, I think a view should be taken on the relative strength of the two levels and if its a weak U19 year, I’d promote the best of the crop to play U21. I don’t really see what we gained by the likes of Nkozi and Joubert losing every week, This is about making sure that the top 20% have their talent maximised or should be in my view…

  • Comment 46, posted at 24.11.15 14:42:43 by JR Reply

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  • @JR (Comment 43) : also add cameron wright to that list.and petrus du basson lock hts middelburg.

  • Comment 47, posted at 24.11.15 14:45:10 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 44) : Lions

  • Comment 48, posted at 24.11.15 14:55:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 48) : thanks.

  • Comment 49, posted at 24.11.15 15:15:08 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 34) : True but if we take junior rugby then its mostly the Bulls and WP that win everything, with their massive talent pool available to them, but they have not carried that winning (culture) through to their senior teams, while the Sharks, with scant trophies in the Junior ranks has been there and thereabouts with their senior players for a good stretch now.

  • Comment 50, posted at 24.11.15 15:18:27 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 50) : Ah but its that wheel that turns. Yes the Bulls/WP prob sign too many youngsters which does create a log jam but they are now benefiting with those guys coming through in the latter part of 2015 going into 2016. The Sharks relied on a core group of seniors for a long time and as such a lot of juniors left as they were behind Boks in the senior side and also a result of junior sides not performing. Now that the Sharks Boks/Seniors have moved on there is a gap which has to be filled- which is why we have had to buy in. in 2016 there wont be an overload of Boks in the sharks side so youngsters will genuinely have a chance to get a look in- bit different from previous years. That now creates incentives lower down. So yes you dont need a good junior setup to be successful at the top…but then you do need a good cheque book.

  • Comment 51, posted at 24.11.15 15:30:39 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 51) : I’m not sure I agree – you need 3-4 players per year who are going to make it so that you get a constant flow of talent into the squad. The Sharks historically have been good at that – and the problem this year is that because of the success of the last few years, the 23-28 year olds that should be with the squad to supplement the youngsters have all left because of lack of opportunity so then you do need to fill in the gaps – which as you say, is an issue that doesn’t exist any more. Where you do get a problem is if you have several years where juniors don’t come through. I am concerned that the U19 had such a bad season and don’t have a view on whether any individuals in the pack have the ability to come through as I haven’t seen them play – but that’s why I would have been keen to see the Sharks strengthen that age group if Kings players became available… Personally, I think the Bulls system is wasteful of cash that could be spent elsewhere in the squad. I think back to the JWC win and a guy like Shaun Adendorff who I’ve not seen since (is he playing 7s?) – I thought he was an incredible talent at the time and I do wonder whether his career would have looked different with us?

  • Comment 52, posted at 24.11.15 15:51:46 by JR Reply

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  • @JR (Comment 52) : Just on Shaun- yes he is with the 7s in their Emerging squad. I think u19s are tricky as i say some guys perform very well in the structured school environment but when left to their own devices after school that discipline is not there and performances reflect that. So whilst that affects every union i also think that perhaps we have no signed the best guys coming out of high school (lack of a varsity cup side being an issue.) The KZn craven week side hasnt exactly been top notch of late so perhaps a bit of perspective into the u19s. By u21 the guys have kinda sorted themselves out and know that they want to pursue this career etc

  • Comment 53, posted at 24.11.15 16:30:09 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JR (Comment 52) : I reckon this years u19 locks (Zwart and vd Merwe) might have a future at senior level if they continue to work hard. Can’t really say the same for the rest of the pack, although Kabelo Motloung isn’t bad.

  • Comment 54, posted at 24.11.15 16:40:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 50) : They have?

  • Comment 55, posted at 24.11.15 16:50:54 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • taigh schoor 1.77m 83 kg is an outside centre.position the sharks are a bit thin at.

  • Comment 56, posted at 24.11.15 16:54:01 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @JR (Comment 52) : The situation was compounded by some u/21 playing for the CC side. Guys like Thomas, estehuizen, and the du Preez twins could have made a massive difference to the u/21 campaign.

  • Comment 57, posted at 24.11.15 16:59:16 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 57) : and cameron wright left for france.

  • Comment 58, posted at 24.11.15 17:04:23 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 53) : That seems like a real waste… He was superb during that campaign.

  • Comment 59, posted at 24.11.15 18:08:14 by JR Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 57) : Sure – the U19s didn’t lose anybody though – so I wouldn’t have been chasing the Obis, Agabas etc – I would have been looking at a couple of their youngsters to beef up that year grouping…

  • Comment 60, posted at 24.11.15 18:10:17 by JR Reply

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  • I must say that I have always preferred our model to the “sign a million juniors” model of the Bulls. On the whole we’ve signed few, but our success rate with those signings has been pretty good. I also like the fact that academy players have a fair chance to play age group rugby and get a chance to prove themselves…a few gems have been unearthed via that route. I don’t really want us to go the route of spending too much to sign too many junior contracts…

  • Comment 61, posted at 24.11.15 21:46:35 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 62) : yes.hoping for confirmation re: sharks and leopards being superrugby partners.and sharks players being able to represent pukke in the varsity cup.

  • Comment 62, posted at 24.11.15 21:57:54 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @JR (Comment 59) : Look im possibly a bit biased having known the guy since he was in diapers. But yes seems to be a wasted talent in that Emerging 7s side. As are a few others i believe. By all accounts he is a very good 7s player though. I still think the Sharks dont fully utilise the 7s properly

  • Comment 63, posted at 25.11.15 08:16:10 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 61) : I agree. I also think that there needs to be incentives for guys to perform well. So if a club/academy guy is performing he should then be awarded a contract. My biggest concern is that the Sharks Academy is not evolving at the speed it needs to be in order to produce quality in todays environment. Like SANZAR the focus is on the money from the masses rather than the quality from the elite.

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