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Bienvenido, los Jaguares!


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Argentina, Original Content, Super Rugby on 30 Nov 2015 at 09:18
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It’s been confirmed that the Argentine Super Rugby team will be known as “Los Jaguares”, which means “the Jaguars” in English.

The Jaguares name has traditionally been associated with the Argentina A side in recent times, with the national union sending teams to play in competitions such as the Nations Cup and Churchill Cup under that moniker. The Super Rugby team will be a rather different beast, however. In real life, jaguars are rather easily distinguishable from their unspotted puma cousins, but in rugby terms, one should expect these jaguars to be pretty close to an Argentine test side.

The UAR have instituted a new selection policy for los Pumas, requiring all national team players to be contracted to the union and available to play Super Rugby for los Jaguares. While this may, in practice, slightly weaken the Puma team initially, it cannot have anything other than good medium term effects for both teams.

Los Jaguares squad: Matías Alemanno, Gabriel Ascárate, Rodrigo Báez, Emiliano Boffelli, Santiago Cordero, Agustín Creevy, Juan Cruz Guillemaín, Jerónimo de la Fuente, Santiago García Botta, Santiago González Iglesias, Ramiro Herrera, Facundo Isa, Martín Landajo, Tomás Lavanini, Tomás Lezana, Juan Manuel Leguizamón, Juan Martín Hernández, Manuel Montero, Julián Montoya, Matías Moroni, Ramiro Moyano, Lucas Noguera Paz, Matías Orlando, Javier Ortega Desio, Guido Petti, Nicolás Sánchez, Leonardo Senatore, Nahuel Tetaz Chaparro, Joaquín Tuculet.



44 Comments

  • I can think of one or two SA teams that will get run over by this side.

  • Comment 1, posted at 30.11.15 09:21:14 by Seth101 Reply
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  • This is interesting as a lot of good players have opted out of very good European contracts to play in this side. Know National pride is all well and good but the Argie economy is weak at the moment so im wondering who is behind the funding for this side as i really struggle to believe that these players will be playing for peanuts all for national pride. I mean the reason they left Arg to play in Europe was for the money. Still a strong squad and will be tough to beat at home. Will be interesting to see how they fare away from home

  • Comment 2, posted at 30.11.15 09:23:40 by SheldonK Reply

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  • How many of these guys are regular starters for the Pumas?

  • Comment 3, posted at 30.11.15 09:29:15 by Hulk Reply

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  • Monster team, let’s see how they deal with the touring.

  • Comment 4, posted at 30.11.15 09:34:24 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • This jaguars team will make a mockery of the (once) proud Sharks. I’m rather fearful.

  • Comment 5, posted at 30.11.15 09:46:45 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • Good team this. Just for some context. 10 players started in the WC Semi against Australia from this squad. Another 5 were on the bench. So that is 15 out of the 23.

  • Comment 6, posted at 30.11.15 09:57:14 by Argex Reply

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  • Reckon this Jaguars team may even achieve a clean sweep against the SA teams in the pathetic ‘Africa 2′ conference – Kings, Sharks and Lions (who crumble in Super Rugby, remember?).

  • Comment 7, posted at 30.11.15 10:05:39 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Argex (Comment 6) : Who’ll be coaching them?

  • Comment 8, posted at 30.11.15 10:09:15 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 8) : That was my next question, but if they maintain their skills and style from the world cup I reckon they will be topping our conference. Argentina’s rugby union have shown some balls and have clearly decided to make Argentinian rugby a force to be reckoned with. Good on them.

  • Comment 9, posted at 30.11.15 10:21:24 by Hulk Reply

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  • They have not officially confirmed the coaching team as of yet. But Daniel Hourcarde, the current Argentina coach, will be actively involved I would think. And with Greg Peters, the former Sanzar boss, as head of the team, there could be some NZ influence in the coaching lineup.

  • Comment 10, posted at 30.11.15 10:32:08 by Argex Reply

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  • Felipe Contepomi is “expected” to be coach

  • Comment 11, posted at 30.11.15 10:33:33 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • is, or was as of last month

  • Comment 12, posted at 30.11.15 10:34:08 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • https://www.howtopronounce.com/spanish/jaguares/

  • Comment 13, posted at 30.11.15 10:37:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Dragnipur (Comment 4) : @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 5) : @Argex (Comment 6) : once again shows that this whole Super rugby competition is now a joke. Playing an almost full national side (of one of the top Nations) in a provincial competition is pathetic!!!!!!!!!!!!! How the fuck can Sanzar allow this to happen?!?!?!

  • Comment 14, posted at 30.11.15 10:38:23 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 14) : not even two or three years ago many would have backed the Sharks to beat Argentina every time… look more at how far we have fallen while the Pumas have been getting their shit together

  • Comment 15, posted at 30.11.15 10:42:41 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • This is pretty unfair on all the other teams. It’s like sending the Springboks to go play in the European Champion Cup.

  • Comment 16, posted at 30.11.15 11:21:42 by Ben Reply
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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 15) : boet Argentina is currently one of the top 5 International teams in the world. Can’t compare Argentina of 5 years ago to this current team as they’re light years ahead of the teams of the past! Playing against a ill disguised International team in Super rugby is like entering the Sharks into the Six Nations!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 17, posted at 30.11.15 11:28:41 by JD Reply
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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 7) : the Lions crumble less in Super Rugby then you sharks do :P

  • Comment 18, posted at 30.11.15 11:34:08 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 16) : you are posting this as if the Boks never lost to Japan at the wc .

  • Comment 19, posted at 30.11.15 11:36:05 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 18) : True – but then you have to be in the top half of the table to crumble so before last year, the Sharks had quite a big disadvantage on the Lions on that score…

  • Comment 20, posted at 30.11.15 11:52:48 by JR Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 15) : what were the margins between winning and losing this past superrugby season?a penalty kick short,a ball lost over the tryline?thats 7 points on the log.such is rugby.we can continue to be negative or put it behind us,learn from the mistakes,and work at rectifying them. as for the coaching staff,no-one is going anywhere.lets get behind the team and coaches.2007 was built on the effort of 2006 -after the disaster of 2005.

  • Comment 21, posted at 30.11.15 12:07:28 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 14) :

    Agreed, whole-heartededly

  • Comment 22, posted at 30.11.15 13:06:20 by Den Reply

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  • argentina summer internationals (to be played during superrugby month long break in june): 4/6 vs italy 11/6 vs romania 18/6 vs france 25/6 vs france .some more superrugby.and then the 4nations.will need to look at player management re: game time.

  • Comment 23, posted at 30.11.15 13:25:39 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 23) : They will have to rotate and use their entire squad so as to ensure everyone is happy and has game time.

    Questions:

    1. @SheldonK (Comment 2) : Who is funding this team, it will take a lot to finance it.

    2. How will they filter the up and coming talent into the team?

    3. Is there enough talent to merit a second team in the future?

  • Comment 24, posted at 30.11.15 13:47:19 by StevieS Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 24) : Someone is definitely throwing big money there. Also with all the Super Rugby and then Internationals their squad will need to be bigger than the one published

  • Comment 25, posted at 30.11.15 13:50:22 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Eish – hope the Sharks have settled in by the 5th of March.

  • Comment 26, posted at 30.11.15 15:21:10 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 25) : I also thought that that squad looked a little bit small.

    In some ways I envy Argentina. They don’t have the dilution of talent we now have in SA.

  • Comment 27, posted at 30.11.15 15:44:19 by StevieS Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 27) : Its going to be a tough year for the Argies though…same guys have to play Super rugby/ June Internationals/ Rugby Championship/ End of Year Tour…so they may get some results this year but those guys will be stuffed come 2017.

  • Comment 28, posted at 30.11.15 16:24:37 by SheldonK Reply

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  • western samoa competed in the super 10.they made the ’91 rwc quarter-final.and again in the ’95 rwc.

  • Comment 29, posted at 30.11.15 16:27:40 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 28) : and what part of all those competitions does Bokke players not play? They’re playing in the same tournaments as the Argies only Argies will be playing together as a team in all of those competitions so will not struggle with adapting to new teammates.

  • Comment 30, posted at 30.11.15 18:09:45 by JD Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 29) : bit of a difference as Samoa was never a top 5 team were as Argentina has been one of the top 5-6 teams for a while now.

  • Comment 31, posted at 30.11.15 18:12:20 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 30) : player fatigue?they must beware of not over-playing their best players.as @sheldonk pointed out ,they could reap the benefits this season ( chasing success) ,and pay for it in 2017.

  • Comment 32, posted at 30.11.15 18:23:43 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 31) : they were an even more dangerous team to play – think head-high smother tackles! :D
    true,but well done to argentina for their improvement.had a look at their squad awhile ago and initially thought the same thing you did : seems all a bit unfair,doesn’t it?
    but well done to them for improving the way they have.and they had to be in someone’s group.all the more for the sharks to play for,then.competing against the nz teams and basically argentina test team.

  • Comment 33, posted at 30.11.15 18:31:43 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 32) : @50shadesofshark (Comment 33) : SA’s top players will play in the same tournaments as the Argies so will be just as fatigued. They will however have the advantage of playing together as a team for the 15 odd games in Super rugby where as SA, OZ and NZ will only get their test teams together 2-3 games ahead of the Rugby Championship.
    Please tell me if European rugby regulators will allow say Scotland to do the same by “forcing” their test team to play for one Scottish club in European rugby competitions?!?!
    Or what will happen if say SARU goes for central contracting and decide to place almost all the Bok players in one team? This is the sort of what happened with Super rugby with regional teams drafting in players as opposed to provincial teams.

  • Comment 34, posted at 01.12.15 00:19:51 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 34) :there is only one argentine team in superrugby 2016.this is how they decided to do things.it would be nice for rugby if argentina’s success at rwc’15 means more exposure and interest in rugby in south america.will be good for rugby in south america ,not just argentina,if the argentine side does well in superrugby. maybe we might see players from other south american nations drafted into los jaguares?would be great for rugby in south america.

  • Comment 35, posted at 01.12.15 01:24:08 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 34) : los jaguares is the pampas xv re-united.

  • Comment 36, posted at 01.12.15 01:43:39 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • This is cool. Now watch the Japanese team contract some serious international talent also.

  • Comment 37, posted at 01.12.15 02:57:52 by fyndraai Reply
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  • All good having a team full of RWC players, but over and above the question of funding, where will they all be located for training? Surely not all of them resides in the same city

  • Comment 38, posted at 01.12.15 06:01:13 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • If south America and japan become invested it would be a great time to kick the inept and biased sanzar out and have a governing body consisting of a truly neutral panel.

  • Comment 39, posted at 01.12.15 06:45:10 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 30) : Ah but the difference being we have 5 sides playing super rugby from which we can select a team. If a couple guys go down injured there are plenty others. This is the only group of players that the Argies have to cover all those comps. Its very different. So yes they may gel as a team…but they also arent going to be able to offer too many surprises when it comes to playing Internationals as there will be hours and hours of video footage of them as a team.

  • Comment 40, posted at 01.12.15 07:49:21 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 40) : Is this not even more of a reason for them to rotate their players?

    I won’t be surprised to see them get a second team soon.

  • Comment 41, posted at 01.12.15 12:04:04 by StevieS Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 41) : They will have to rotate their players if they are going to make it through the season. Based on that squad released they will need a lot more players though. Argies rely heavily on a few big names…with them not playing through rest/injury etc they may struggle.

  • Comment 42, posted at 01.12.15 12:24:58 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 42) : They do rely on their big names, but what’s impressed me is how the less well known guys have performed. Cordero, Peti etc are becoming more well known simply because of the performances they’ve put in. Their reserve hooker, Montoya, is one for the future. He reminds me of Bissie in his younger days, mobile, strong and all over the park.

    With Graham Henry involved I think we will see a clever plan whereby all players are used and they will take player fatigue into account.

  • Comment 43, posted at 01.12.15 14:02:42 by StevieS Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 43) : Yes some of their guys have done well…but id say they really only have about 10 (max 12) good players..the rest really are fringe guys. So those 10 will have a serious workload if they are going to maintain good results throughout. I have a feeling that they will use super rugby away games as experiments and wont bank on any results there. It certainly is an interesting concept…i just feel that for longevity they will definitely need a much bigger squad

  • Comment 44, posted at 01.12.15 14:08:48 by SheldonK Reply

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