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Heyneke’s OUT!


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 3 Dec 2015 at 11:00
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Heyneke Meyer has withdrawn from the race to succeed himself as Springbok coach. Or something like that….

The news has just been announced by SA Rugby via Twitter, as below. According to a further tweet, Meyer has decided that he should step aside in the best interests of SA Rugby. More on this as we get it.

Meyer added: “My integrity has always been very important and I feel I can leave with my head held high.”



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  • Best news of the year!

  • Comment 1, posted at 03.12.15 11:00:59 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • Better than winning the world cup.

  • Comment 2, posted at 03.12.15 11:01:16 by Seth101 Reply
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  • YES YES YES!!! F…. YES!!!!!!!

  • Comment 3, posted at 03.12.15 11:02:03 by Another Nick Reply

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  • He timed the announcement brilliantly so it would be drowned out by the Oscar verdict!

    Great fucking news!! What a monkey

  • Comment 4, posted at 03.12.15 11:03:25 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • Who is in the running to coach the Bokke?

  • Comment 5, posted at 03.12.15 11:03:43 by YamYam Reply
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  • He hung on to that last minute. This is not an honorable move, this was to save face, nothing more. Bye Heyneke, you will not be missed….at all.

  • Comment 6, posted at 03.12.15 11:04:38 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Meyer to coach the streamers :mrgreen:

  • Comment 7, posted at 03.12.15 11:04:44 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • Relieved to hear this announcement. Not sure why they need to lie in the process… Heyneke made it clear, in no uncertain terms, that he “still wants to serve his country”. Unless he meant that he was going to join the army, I think he was saying that he wants to continue coaching. There was no question about that. Maybe he did withdraw, but only after they let him know that he is no longer being considered.

  • Comment 8, posted at 03.12.15 11:05:18 by Letgo Reply
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  • @YamYam (Comment 5) : Toetie

  • Comment 9, posted at 03.12.15 11:05:23 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @YamYam (Comment 5) : Coetzee and Ackerman I’d guess. They won’t take an overseas guy.

  • Comment 10, posted at 03.12.15 11:05:38 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • I wonder if they had already prepared the ballots for the vote next week…cos then its back to the printers. other than Alistair Coetzee i havnt heard any other names that will be on the ballot.

  • Comment 11, posted at 03.12.15 11:07:16 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Toetie is a shoe in but his Stormers were even more one-dimensional than Meyer’s Boks!

  • Comment 12, posted at 03.12.15 11:08:57 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 7) : Meyer to coach the Kings :mrgreen:

  • Comment 13, posted at 03.12.15 11:10:27 by Seth101 Reply
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  • well now Patrick Lambie might be appreciated for the machine he is! If Allister gets himself 2 great assistants we will be back in no time. At least Allister is a proud man. Not an emotional clown who jumps up and down like a child. Go Boks! Great news!

  • Comment 14, posted at 03.12.15 11:11:51 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 12) : I wouldnt mind him as the top figure head if he gets in some good assistants to run the forwards and backs. Coetzee is pretty calm and collected so is what you need as a head coach.

  • Comment 15, posted at 03.12.15 11:12:46 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Great news, something we all wanted.
    Now the question is are we all going to get a replacement we all want?
    Coetzee is apparently already so close to being appointed that its just a matter of announcing it.
    My problem with him being the next bok coach is we all moaned so much about one dimensional rugby from HM, but look how the Stormers played under AC for so many years. Unless he is able to surround him self with other great coaches , I don’t see this story ending much better than the current saga. I can also tel you now that Schalk Burger would be AC’s Matfield.

  • Comment 16, posted at 03.12.15 11:14:38 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 15) : Im with you. I think people underestimate Toetie. He is extremely experienced. He wont mind dancing with the likes of Cheika and Hansen. I also bet you wont here him sing the all blacks praises like fanboy Heyneke.

  • Comment 17, posted at 03.12.15 11:15:59 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • He gave it a go,he had his chance and he failed in more ways than just not winning the world cup. Good luck to him thank you for serving your country and happy holidays

  • Comment 18, posted at 03.12.15 11:16:22 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 12) : Exactly my issue with him being appointed.

  • Comment 19, posted at 03.12.15 11:16:35 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 16) : It will be Coetzee because…..reasons. Is he the best option? No. Hopefully he is better than Meyer.

  • Comment 20, posted at 03.12.15 11:16:55 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Who’d you pick as assistants? I wouldn’t mind Plum for the forwards. Backs?

  • Comment 21, posted at 03.12.15 11:16:55 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 16) : nah I dont think Schalk would do that to himself. The priority now is to employ world beaters as assistants. They must must must get Plum to coach the fwds!

  • Comment 22, posted at 03.12.15 11:17:42 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • Let’s note that Meyer never won a single thing his entire tenure.

  • Comment 23, posted at 03.12.15 11:17:57 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Toetie hardly coveted himself in glory as Jake’s backs coach either… Eddie had to be roped in and as soon as he was three things happened:

    1. Toetie was sent packing from the coaches box
    2. The Boks backline started to click and score some wonderful tries
    3. The Boks won the RWC

  • Comment 24, posted at 03.12.15 11:18:07 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • *covered

  • Comment 25, posted at 03.12.15 11:18:28 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 16) : let’s give him a chance hold the negativity till next year.

  • Comment 26, posted at 03.12.15 11:18:29 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 26) : Give him a chance based on what? The best candidate for the job should be picked, there are many enlargements to be made that he is not the best, and will not be picked on his ability.

  • Comment 27, posted at 03.12.15 11:19:57 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Best news I’ve had all day!!! Glad he stepped down.

    I’m not a big Coetzee fan, but with the right assistants it could work.

  • Comment 28, posted at 03.12.15 11:20:03 by StevieS Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 17) : Coetzee ticks a lot of boxes but also leaves a few big ones unticked. He is calm and collected and has been in the environment before. He ticks the political box. He has known the Sa group of players for a long time and knows how things work in sa rugby. He has never produced a bad side. The boxes he will need to tick is appointing 2 good hands on men as assistants to run the forwards and backs. He will need to find a balance between short term goals and long term vision. He will need the backing of the local sa coaches in terms of getting players upskilled and conditioned. This assumes he is only candidate. I cant think of anyone else that would tick all those boxes?

  • Comment 29, posted at 03.12.15 11:21:00 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 27) : he is the best south african candidate right now

  • Comment 30, posted at 03.12.15 11:22:26 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 30) : Why does it have to be a South African? Why restrict ourselves?…. It’s going to be, but not for the right reasons.

  • Comment 31, posted at 03.12.15 11:23:22 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 26) : Ok lets be honest, WP has some of the most existing backs in the country for years and year, yet you did not see them play one dimensional rugby when AC was their coach?

  • Comment 32, posted at 03.12.15 11:23:41 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 30) : better than Mallet or White or Venter or Smal?

  • Comment 33, posted at 03.12.15 11:23:48 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • Our goal should be to be the best team in the world, nothing more nothing less. Pick the best coach and players to achieve this, not for any other reason.

  • Comment 34, posted at 03.12.15 11:24:55 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 31) : because south africa is not just another rugby nation there are other things to concider when you are a bok coach, maybe in the future we can get a new coach that is not south african but for the immediate future that is not gonna happen.

  • Comment 35, posted at 03.12.15 11:26:21 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 35) : Those things shouldn’t be considered, be the best nothing else.

  • Comment 36, posted at 03.12.15 11:27:40 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 31) : Who else is available? That has been actually coaching. Henry won’t touch the bokke, Deans has shown with Oz he can’t do it.

    And international coaches would have to adapt to the reality of transformation etc in SA, won’t end well I think.

  • Comment 37, posted at 03.12.15 11:27:45 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 29) : They key here is the POLITICAL box.
    Get me right, I don’t think he is not capable, but is he the best for our needs right now? I am unsure.

  • Comment 38, posted at 03.12.15 11:27:47 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 32) : I hear you bro but I think he knows that is his weakness and he will do his best to get that area under control. I’m just saying let’s relax till next year the guy hasn’t even been announced yet

  • Comment 39, posted at 03.12.15 11:28:08 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 35) : You have it 100% correct there.

  • Comment 40, posted at 03.12.15 11:28:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 30) : Based on what?

  • Comment 41, posted at 03.12.15 11:28:13 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Screw “other considerations”. Best person for the job.

  • Comment 42, posted at 03.12.15 11:28:57 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • Thank goodness!

  • Comment 43, posted at 03.12.15 11:29:06 by Ben Reply
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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 42) : Thank you.

  • Comment 44, posted at 03.12.15 11:29:35 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 33) : in my opinion yes better than small and venter, white not available mallet doesn’t wanna do it so best is AC

  • Comment 45, posted at 03.12.15 11:29:47 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 35) : Nobody wants to coach SA, other than SA coaches, due to the political influences the coaches have to deal with. We will never have a EJ coaching the boks.

  • Comment 46, posted at 03.12.15 11:30:01 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • In before Rob bans the phrase “other considerations” ;-) :lol:

  • Comment 47, posted at 03.12.15 11:30:14 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 38) : Realistic alternatives? Please dont say Mallet or White or Robbie Deans or Eddie Jones… Lets be honest Coetzee ticking the political box will probably mean him getting to do a lot his own way without interference. This isnt NZ or OZ…SA is in a unique box

  • Comment 48, posted at 03.12.15 11:30:24 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 48) : Everyone has quickly forgotten the one dimensional style the Stromers played with when AC was their coach, even though they produce the most lethal runners in the country.

  • Comment 49, posted at 03.12.15 11:33:30 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 46) : that political interfearance would not happen if saru was serious about fully transforming the sport, the more they resist the closer we get to quota. FACT!

  • Comment 50, posted at 03.12.15 11:33:34 by Poisy Reply
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  • Best news ever.

  • Comment 51, posted at 03.12.15 11:35:40 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 50) : not only that though, HM really tried his best to fan the flame by replacing brilliant specialists with schmucks like R Pienaar and makeshift wings and flanks…

  • Comment 52, posted at 03.12.15 11:36:28 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 50) : None of that should be a factor at all, best players should play. If you want a particular demographic to be represented then they need to be the best players.

    Change comes from the foundations not forcing it at the top. But shortsightedness will always be strong in this country.

  • Comment 53, posted at 03.12.15 11:36:41 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Who is resisting and where is the evidence?

  • Comment 54, posted at 03.12.15 11:38:13 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 54) : +1

  • Comment 55, posted at 03.12.15 11:38:43 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 49) : No you are 100% correct there. But at the same time they were a very good defensive unit. People often just highlight the negative. As is aid he ticks a lot of good boxes but does leave some unticked that he would need to resolve cleverly. This all assumes he is selected which the bookies reckon is the case. I think some composure is needed with the Boks in 2016 and Coetzee would definitely give you that.

  • Comment 56, posted at 03.12.15 11:39:02 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 53) : agreed

  • Comment 57, posted at 03.12.15 11:39:12 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 53) : And so will entitlement.

  • Comment 58, posted at 03.12.15 11:39:15 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 42) : sport can be a tool to unify people, we can’t say” screw other considerations” when it comes to rugby, especially bok rugby that emblem is the last standing apathied emblem and devides people even today. So NO! “Other considerations” matter to people like me who are the majority in this country

  • Comment 59, posted at 03.12.15 11:39:23 by Poisy Reply
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  • I fundamentally disagree. Merit and winning are the only factors that should matter. If we want to make race a non issue it seems odd to go about making it an issue.

  • Comment 60, posted at 03.12.15 11:41:53 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 59) : It’s a sports teams emblem…. It represents a sports team…. Rugby is a sport… Nothing more.

  • Comment 61, posted at 03.12.15 11:41:59 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 53) : yes I agree the foundations need to start with changing but that is not happening thanks to saru they refuse to take transformation seriously so less players of colour make it to the top unions and smaller field to pick from because of that.

  • Comment 62, posted at 03.12.15 11:42:34 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 60) : Exactly, selecting on anything other than who is the best player does not create unity, it serves the people with a sense of entitlement that’s all.

  • Comment 63, posted at 03.12.15 11:43:27 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 61) : I respectfully disagree and have said why I disagree with you and have read why you hold that view

  • Comment 64, posted at 03.12.15 11:44:32 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 62) : Maybe ‘our’ minister of sport should spend more money on the foundations and less on travel to boxing in Vegas.

  • Comment 65, posted at 03.12.15 11:45:17 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Guys arguing the political thing is pointless (and banned here). The situation is what is it in SA…we cant live under a rock in our own world.

  • Comment 66, posted at 03.12.15 11:46:08 by SheldonK Reply

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  • But what I say is of no consequence as I have been reminded I’m a “minority”. So sommer it just doesn’t matter whether it’s right or wrong in principle. If race is afactor for inclusion, then its RACIST. That’s all on this depressing subject from me.

  • Comment 67, posted at 03.12.15 11:46:11 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 59) : If the bok emblem is so dividing, then how did that same emblem bring the country together in 1995 and 2007?

  • Comment 68, posted at 03.12.15 11:49:35 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 67) : I’m sorry if I offended you, that was not my intention at all. I value your opinion and your views on this matter. By mentioning that we are the majority I was just saying there is a large untapped market for rugby in the form of players and business which could help bring new money in the sport and help keep our best talent on home shores. We are all south african brother no matter your colour. I apologize again for causing offence

  • Comment 69, posted at 03.12.15 11:51:09 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 69) : No one is arguing that, the argument is do it properly, from the ground up. Don’t be short sighted and force it at the top, a short term solution that will damage the team and not solve the problem.

  • Comment 70, posted at 03.12.15 11:53:44 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 68) : that’s what the media tells you my friend and it is a farce. Most black people don’t even bother watching the game they watch highlights. In the townships when a game is playing of bafana bafana or a big soweto derby and they score you can stand on the roof of your house and its like a giant staduim the amount of noise is amazing! That doesn’t happen for rugby.

  • Comment 71, posted at 03.12.15 11:54:56 by Poisy Reply
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  • Holy hell, it’s sad that a discussion regarding the new bok coach got dragged into political whining and moaning so fast.

    Seems some people would rather throw their toys around rather than think about who will be the best new bok coach. And saying ‘get the best one available’ is not really helping, seeing as SA is in a unique position. That’s not going to change any time soon so deal with it.

    Alister or Ackermann will be next coach. Pretty sure it’s going to be Coetzee. So lets rather work around that and think who’ll bring the most to the table as assistant coaches? Who is available? Will they pull up Fleck from u/21′s to assist the backline? Is that a good idea or a crap one? Could we maybe look at foreign assistants to help out? Main coach can deal with the media and political crap then.

  • Comment 72, posted at 03.12.15 11:58:11 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • we do not discuss race here and I will ban anyone who does.

    Thanks and move on.

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  • @Poisy (Comment 69) : If the SABC had to broadcast rugby for the next 3 years, I am sure you will see a actual boost in player figures, especially from underprivileged communities. The key to this is DSTV Premium Subs. Not transformation, not your race, not anything else but the fact that only people able to afford Premium subs are able to watch rugby, which in turn promotes development of the youth.

  • Comment 74, posted at 03.12.15 12:00:07 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • We NEED foreign assistants. Fresh ideas

  • Comment 75, posted at 03.12.15 12:01:06 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 71) : Like I said the key is the broadcasting of the games via national television.

  • Comment 76, posted at 03.12.15 12:01:32 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • So… now what? Other than Coetzee, I don’t see anyone else putting their hands up for that job. Has any coach with half respectable CV shown any interest?
    Careful what you wish for, especially when it’s to remove a coach/leader without thought of who the replacement could be.

  • Comment 77, posted at 03.12.15 12:03:09 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 74) : I don’t have DSTV, or watch SABC, and yet I am able to watch every game on my TV, live…. and believe it or not I am not a wizard ;-)

  • Comment 78, posted at 03.12.15 12:04:33 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 78) : Yes, you have ADSL ;) something allot of the people in this country are unable to get, which also comes at a big price ;)

  • Comment 79, posted at 03.12.15 12:05:59 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 77) : Meyer has shown what he’s got game plan wise. Keeping him on would do more damage than help. Time for a new guy. I wouldn’t mind if they gave 2 year contracts to the new coach. If he’s floundering after 2 years, move on. If not, extend to WC.

  • Comment 80, posted at 03.12.15 12:06:44 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • Interesting stat about HM, 143 – Test tries scored in those 48 matches (average of 3 per match), apparently only the All Blacks beats us on that stat the last 4 years. and we still moan we don’t score tries?

  • Comment 81, posted at 03.12.15 12:07:22 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Dragnipur (Comment 80) : We saw in our history that 2 year contracts don’t work due to constantly having too many changes made .

  • Comment 82, posted at 03.12.15 12:09:30 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 79) : Who controls the internet… last time I checked it was a state run company….

  • Comment 83, posted at 03.12.15 12:10:22 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 83) : How do you handle all the russian brides while trying to watch those games? ;)

  • Comment 84, posted at 03.12.15 12:12:30 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 81) : That is interesting. I truly believe that Sa rugby is not dead and dying like many would like to believe.

  • Comment 85, posted at 03.12.15 12:13:07 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 84) : Adblock Plus, also streaming through you browser is so 2008.

  • Comment 86, posted at 03.12.15 12:13:56 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 85) : For sure

  • Comment 87, posted at 03.12.15 12:14:10 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Streaming boxes are cheaper than decoders, ADSL is cheaper than DSTV. Unless you’re interested in the really niche then having DSTV is literally pointless and dumb.

  • Comment 88, posted at 03.12.15 12:15:19 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 86) : Roku? AppleTV? I have Roku, but cant find a rugby app that will work on it.

  • Comment 89, posted at 03.12.15 12:15:40 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Dragnipur (Comment 80) : And who would agree to those terms? If I was an international coach right now, I would actually piss myself laughing right before posting a screenshot on reddit if they offered something like that.

    What if Coetzee & Ackermann decide “Umm hell no!”? Poach Brent van Rensburg off Boland to break another record?

  • Comment 90, posted at 03.12.15 12:16:32 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 89) : Kodi on my desktop with a nice long HDMI cable to my TV. But I really want a steam link if they ever come out here.

  • Comment 91, posted at 03.12.15 12:17:48 by Seth101 Reply
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  • While every body is happy about this I will wait to see what happens and who will be the next coach, Coetzee who is a strong favourite will be far worse, remember what he did to wp not so different from heyneke just without the results, let us just remind our self that he didn’t have the worst record of bok coaches, I will take winning rugby more than an attractive game anytime throphies is what matter, Rather the devil you know than the devil you don’t

  • Comment 92, posted at 03.12.15 12:21:31 by BR Reply
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  • @BR (Comment 92) : Exactly right. While HM is not my favourite, I’m seriously worried about what happens next.

    My favourite coaches will certainly not be coaching the boks for so many reasons.

  • Comment 93, posted at 03.12.15 12:27:30 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @BR (Comment 92) : Look there is no reason to stick with someone who can’t achieve anything, he hasn’t in 4 years and won’t in another 4. That by no means we should be excited for the future.

  • Comment 94, posted at 03.12.15 12:29:56 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 93) : expect some minions from CT to play for the Boks.

  • Comment 95, posted at 03.12.15 12:30:04 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 95) : At least the Boks will keep their blue tinge, just a different blue :lol:

  • Comment 96, posted at 03.12.15 12:31:23 by Seth101 Reply
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  • I feel it was Meyers time to go but realistically not to many people have looked interested in the job, so if Coetzee is appointed he’ll need some top end assistants. Meyer didn’t have much time to choose his assistants and for that he got the second best. If Coetzee gets the gig he needs to be given a good budget and shop for some top shelf guys. I think getting a foreign coach is also necessary as that will bring in a different mind set and that is really what the Boks need. The last time we had a foreign coach in our coaching panel we looked like world beaters. Being a good coach doesn’t mean you have all the answers, often it means knowing where to look for them. Jake White isn’t the best coach but he sure did know how to pick assistants. The Boks have had second rate assistants for to long, i’d love Plum involved with the forwards, not sure who to pick for the backs. If we go for an all SA coaching staff I’d seriously look at Paul Treu to handle the backline in some capacity.

  • Comment 97, posted at 03.12.15 12:33:46 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 97) : A lot of people think a coach shouldnt pick his own assistants as they are then ‘yes men’ and always just agree with him. It was a big criticism on Meyer. Perhaps SARU also needs to appoint the assistants after an interview process similar to head coach one

  • Comment 98, posted at 03.12.15 12:36:54 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 97) : How has Paul Treu proven to you he has what it takes?

  • Comment 99, posted at 03.12.15 12:37:02 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 98) : And on the other hand you have the situation like JW and Gold where their assistants were given to them just for them not to get along? so how do you combine the two?
    You also forget HM asked AC to be his assistant and he declined.

  • Comment 100, posted at 03.12.15 12:39:35 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • So SARU now control the Kings…. HM had been promised another 4 years….Pressure from the public won’t allow that…Solution: Bow out ‘gracefully’ and then happily accept the Kings job with a nice big paycheck from SARU….

    Anyone want to take bets? ;-)

  • Comment 101, posted at 03.12.15 12:44:26 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 88) : I think you need to write us a howto article. We can take steps to protect your identity

  • Comment 102, posted at 03.12.15 12:45:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 100) : Yeh pros and cons for both sides. I suppose at the end of the day SARU still has to give their stamp of approval on whoever the asistants are so not entirely only up to the head coach. Coetzee should have been appointed after White so in effect we have gone full circle in 8yrs to correct that wrong…

  • Comment 103, posted at 03.12.15 12:46:50 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 101) : haha then Matfield to pull an Eddie Jones and sign for Kings ;)

  • Comment 104, posted at 03.12.15 12:48:03 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Hahaha! :mrgreen:

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  • Comment 105, posted at 03.12.15 12:48:47 by gregkaos Reply
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  • Heeeeeeee!!!!!! Nou is dit Kersfees.

  • Comment 106, posted at 03.12.15 12:50:01 by Leon Schrenk Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 68) : you have answered yourself. 1995 to 2007. It’s now 2015. The rest of the rugby world has moved on. Are we being unfair to demand that we move with times? Natural progression.

  • Comment 107, posted at 03.12.15 12:54:37 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 102) : Hah! Yes please! Was just thinking the same thing.. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 108, posted at 03.12.15 12:59:13 by Another Nick Reply

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  • Coetzee will be the next bok coach, so not much to change except maybe more games lost,the pace of transformation ( sorry rob but it had to be said) would have liked to have a guy like Deans ( shoot me it is ok ) or if you want to experiment with running rugby give Powel a chance to intergrate the sevens skills into the 15 man game

  • Comment 109, posted at 03.12.15 13:08:46 by BR Reply
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  • @Another Nick (Comment 108) : Patients ;-)

  • Comment 110, posted at 03.12.15 13:09:32 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 28) : with Coetzee we will be watching the same rugby than under HM lets be honest the wp under AC is not that different than the Bulls under HM except the wp couldn’t master the game plan

  • Comment 111, posted at 03.12.15 13:13:45 by BR Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 107) : missed the start of the conversation and some of the posts is now missing but if it is about the emblem please tell me which country changed their emblem in the recent past

  • Comment 112, posted at 03.12.15 13:18:06 by BR Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 110) : Eish.. asking a lot Seth, but will try my best! ;-)

  • Comment 113, posted at 03.12.15 13:27:47 by Another Nick Reply

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  • Cheers Heyneke Meyer. The thought of Coetzee taking over fills me with nothing. Nice guy and all but did absolutely squat with the Stormers, never managed to get them as a team to progress at all despite having all the talent available.

  • Comment 114, posted at 03.12.15 13:28:53 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Enough about transformation, thanks all.

  • Comment 115, posted at 03.12.15 13:34:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 91) : Only problem with Kodi is there are so may dead streaming links (especially in the SportsDevil addon) that it takes ages to actually find a reliable working stream. Sometimes when you do there’s no audio or the quality isn’t great. Also, a lot of the streams are ripped from Sky sports. If any game is broadcast on the dreaded Sky red button channel, you’re going to miss out on it. (I’m not advocating DSTV by the way, just pointing out that Kodi isn’t painless)

  • Comment 116, posted at 03.12.15 13:35:02 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 105) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 117, posted at 03.12.15 13:35:22 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 116) : I completely agree, definitely pros and cons to it. Sport streaming is nowhere near on the same level as other media on kodi unfortunately. But it does serve it’s purpose to an extent, especially in being cheap (free). I will do an educational article tonight :) .

  • Comment 118, posted at 03.12.15 13:40:05 by Seth101 Reply
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  • http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Springboks/heyneke-meyer-by-the-numbers-20151203

    Anyone who’s interested.

  • Comment 119, posted at 03.12.15 13:44:27 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Good riddance….on to the next 4 years of mediocrity (unless AC selects assistants like Ackerman or Stonehouse or Plumtree – and any ozzie for his backline).

    If he does what HM did, then it will be proudfoot and Fleck….in which case it will be more of the same.

  • Comment 120, posted at 03.12.15 13:53:58 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 102) : im not sure i would take identity protection from you , Rob :lol:

  • Comment 121, posted at 03.12.15 13:57:26 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 118) : True, 1Channel and Genesis are brilliant but any live content seems to be very hit and miss. I tried streaming NFL games a while back and eventually gave up.

  • Comment 122, posted at 03.12.15 14:05:50 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Sing hallelujah!

  • Comment 123, posted at 03.12.15 14:10:27 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 121) : The penalty for downloading (or streaming) pirated content if discovered is a civil lawsuit, if found guilty the fine”usually amounts to the purchase price of the item downloaded”.
    So hardly worried about it, plus any article is nothing more than educational material, that by no means encourages use. :smile:

  • Comment 124, posted at 03.12.15 14:24:17 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Huge Mistake now corrected,but all that now happens is rearranging of deck chairs on the Titanic,

  • Comment 125, posted at 03.12.15 14:25:48 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 125) : Thats a very positive outlook…

  • Comment 126, posted at 03.12.15 14:39:15 by SheldonK Reply

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  • So Meyer is gone, it doesnt mean that Bok rugby is now allright and definitely doesnt mean that Lambie is now going to be starting 10.

  • Comment 127, posted at 03.12.15 14:41:42 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 126) : and with AC there this ship won’t even need an iceberg to sink it

  • Comment 128, posted at 03.12.15 14:46:04 by BR Reply
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  • @BR (Comment 109) : why skip Paul True?

  • Comment 129, posted at 03.12.15 14:58:05 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 120) : Proudfoot turned the Stormers light-five into a pretty competitive unit, but the attack / backline coach needs to be a Kiwi / Ozzie

  • Comment 130, posted at 03.12.15 15:05:01 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 130) : Spoiler alert, he won’t be.

  • Comment 131, posted at 03.12.15 15:07:58 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 131) : In that case I am not bothering watching Bok rugby any longer.

  • Comment 132, posted at 03.12.15 15:11:49 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • haha this is crazy…no appointments yet and already guys are super negative. We may as well stop playing rugby and rather make a blog about table tennis…

  • Comment 133, posted at 03.12.15 15:13:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 127) : 100% correct. In fact Pat has a real fight in his hands. The competition is going to be stiff..in no particular order.. you have Jantjies, Pat, Pollard, Demitri all young guys that will have a fair chances. The guy playing for the union with the best scrumhalf service and team game plan will be in prime position….unless Cobus is prepared to be a team player Lambie may just find himself on the bench as a utility player.

  • Comment 134, posted at 03.12.15 15:18:42 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 133) : we never win at ping pong :(

  • Comment 135, posted at 03.12.15 15:21:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 133) : Negative expectations are completely justified, as much as you try and down play them.

    @robdylan (Comment 135) : We have a team?

  • Comment 136, posted at 03.12.15 15:25:51 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 135) : Perhaps we should discuss why…its prob the bladdy coach

  • Comment 137, posted at 03.12.15 15:26:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 136) : Why does everything have to be negative? No coach has been chosen yet and even the guy who is a probability hasnt even blown a whistle yet but we want to condemn everything. Give the guy a chance. Yes guys point to his 1 negative point with Wp…but what about the positives we just love to overlook. So fair enough express a concern but failing to see anything positive is probably not the best way to go through life. Just my opinion

  • Comment 138, posted at 03.12.15 15:30:30 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 135) : thinking of cricket again?!?!?! :twisted: :roll: :evil:

  • Comment 139, posted at 03.12.15 15:30:56 by JD Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 71) : I diagree,the only game that brings the country to a halt is a Pirates v Chiefs game where FNB stadium on average has 95000 attending,I go to all these games,for any other clash the stadiums are empty and as for Bafana Bafana ,the local soccer suppoorter does not support them, his/her support is for team first then country,hence low attendance for international games as well

  • Comment 140, posted at 03.12.15 15:34:25 by benji Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 133) : Problem for me is, we have no succession plan for our next Bok coach.

    Every 4 years, we appoint a complete international level noob and give him free reign in appointing his noob buddies as assistants.

    Unless that issue is stamped out, we will be back here in 4 years time.

    Solution: Make AC coach (if they insist – should preferably be someone with international experience – ie a foreigner….Ewan McKenzie might actually do well in SA…though Mitchell is more adept to all things SA), and employ assistant coaches to groom for taking over from the head coach…rinse and repeat.

  • Comment 141, posted at 03.12.15 15:40:05 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 138) : I base my feelings on what I can see in front of me, and right now everything I can see is ominously negative. If more reasons become obvious to be positive then I will be, but I am not going to be positive about the situation just because being negative is ‘bad’. We are coming out of a bad situation , great! But until I have a reason to be positive about the situation why should I be?

  • Comment 142, posted at 03.12.15 15:45:50 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 141) : I fully agree that there is no forward thinking in terms of succession and consistency. Coetzee should have been appointed 8yrs ago. So if he is now hopefully at least 1 assistant is put in place for the goal of succeeding him. I truly dont believe a foreigner will make a good Head Coach in the current environment- he will have too much other to deal with which means less coaching focus.

  • Comment 143, posted at 03.12.15 15:53:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 142) : What do you see as ominously negative?

  • Comment 144, posted at 03.12.15 15:55:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 141) : I say make Mitchell one of the assistants with the plan of him taking over after 2019. It will give him the opportunity to build relations and trust with SA players. With the Stormers players objecting to his move I’m sure he wishes he took our offer. Lol….

  • Comment 145, posted at 03.12.15 15:56:38 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 130) : under Powel the blitz books have been consistent, but under True it has been a up and down ride we were almost like being the French of sevens one year we win the World Series the next year with basically the same squad we end 6th

  • Comment 146, posted at 03.12.15 16:05:31 by BR Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 144) : The current front runner is not there because he is the best person for the job, but for political reason, my biggest grip at least. There are others but it’s home time so I couldn’t be arsed to type them :lol:

  • Comment 147, posted at 03.12.15 16:05:43 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 147) : So you want to fit a round peg into a square hole that is South African environment. We have to realise it is what it is in this country and get on with it. For me the positives about Coetze is that he is calm and collected, his sides have been very good and physical on defense (defense is all about attitude and commitment so that says a lot about his squad), he has been in the Bok setup before and know what it entails, his has the benefit of hindsight so as to not repeat the errors of Meyer, and he is a Word Cup winner. So yes there are negatives…but lets not forget the positives too

  • Comment 148, posted at 03.12.15 16:09:25 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 148) : Good thing I hate this country then :lol:

  • Comment 149, posted at 03.12.15 16:11:22 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 149) : Eish then im all out of ideas. I guess the term supporter is a bit of a loose term. I think SA rugby critic would be a better term for most in the country at present.

  • Comment 150, posted at 03.12.15 16:14:40 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 143) : I can hardly imagine a top foreign coach having the stomach to touch a South African franchise on a long term basis, never mind the national team.

  • Comment 151, posted at 03.12.15 16:16:08 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • But would AC want all these high powered assistants – I think he would see through that quickly enough and be highly offended by the insinuation of what such appointments would make.

  • Comment 152, posted at 03.12.15 16:19:52 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 151) : Franchise is a lot easier to handle than the Bok job. @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 152) : I think AC must focus on what he does best and what is mostly needed as a head coach- a good man manager to get the best from his players. He then needs to surround himself with the best help possible in the other areas.

  • Comment 153, posted at 03.12.15 16:23:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • This pretty much says it all.
    http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Springboks/sport24-readers-want-a-kiwi-in-charge-20151203

    All this talk that AC should surround himself with the best, gives me the impression that we all know he is not the man for the job, but we might stand a chance if he has quality coaches backing him up, alla Divvy???

  • Comment 154, posted at 03.12.15 16:37:13 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 154) : 100% incorrect. We know SARU wants a SA coach and there is no one more deserving than AC. We are not however going to act blind and stupid as to think that an AC Johan Ackerman and Fleck combo will for example work. As a matter of fact, even a John Ackerman as HC with any other SA coach as assistant would work. Fact is we need a strong influence to help us change our mind set. Preferably foreign. The only SA coach that would not necessarily need strong assistants is Mallet. AC will bring fairness and open mindedness, something most players will undoubtedly enjoy. Let me tell you this, had HM not lost to Japan he would have never started Lood ahead of a fit Victor.

  • Comment 155, posted at 03.12.15 16:46:37 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 155) : My point is it proves that AC is obviously not the right man to be taking over.

  • Comment 156, posted at 03.12.15 16:53:24 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Glad to see HM gone after 4 years of barely watching the Boks “play”.

    Lets chill on all the negativity for at least a day or two. :roll:

    @Letgo (Comment 8) :
    “Heyneke made it clear, in no uncertain terms, that he “still wants to serve his country”. Unless he meant that he was going to join the army, I think he was saying that he wants to continue coaching. ”

    Lovely! :lol:

  • Comment 157, posted at 03.12.15 18:33:46 by Big Fish Reply
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  • As dismal as HM was in the last year, I am waiting for everyone’s jubilation to turn sour very quickly. I for one will not be excited by the possible appointment of “Toetie” as bok coach. So I am feeling neither jubilant, or sad at HM’s demise.

  • Comment 158, posted at 03.12.15 20:25:18 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 155) : And what exactly makes AC deserving of the bok coach position? I am sorry, if it is even remotely possible, AC is even more dour and conservative than HM.

  • Comment 159, posted at 03.12.15 20:26:58 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 148) : For a change, I totally disagree. I see zero positives with AC being appointed, except that Cosatu might be quieter for a smidgen in time.

  • Comment 160, posted at 03.12.15 20:28:55 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 133) : Bud, the writing is pretty much on the wall. No appointment has been made, but I for one will be most pleasantly surprised if it is not the case.

  • Comment 161, posted at 03.12.15 20:31:59 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • How long before the bulls announce HM as their DoR

  • Comment 162, posted at 03.12.15 20:45:58 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • If it was true that Heyneke had been talk of a four year extension in the corridors of power before the world cup, then this does show one thing: the power of public opinion! I can’t say that I believe that story now…but there must have been some fire behind that smoke…

  • Comment 163, posted at 03.12.15 20:49:42 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 163) : That or a deal was struck in the boardroom :evil:
    HM goes with a nice handshake, and SARU save face and get to appoint a more appealing candidate, which might not necessarily be in the interest of promoting the style of play. I am really not excited by this whole debacle. It is almost a case of damned if you do, and damned if you don’t.

  • Comment 164, posted at 03.12.15 21:02:58 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • The fact that almost EVERYONE is saying that Toetie will need “strong assistants” says it all really.

  • Comment 165, posted at 03.12.15 21:20:19 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • AC as head coach, plum forwards, Either Paul treu or a foreign coach backline. And like NZ mental conditioning coach, along with other specialist coaching. Like p de villiers as scrum coach

    fresh start! hm had 4 years to build a good team. And yet we still went to the wc with old players

    I remember when there was speculation about HM trying to get andries bekker for the world cup, and i wrote on sa rugby about how we really should be investing in guys like lood and eben, and someone actually replied that lood was too young, this was 7 months ago

    experience is important, yes, but theres a balance

  • Comment 166, posted at 04.12.15 02:02:03 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 163) : I think public opinion has very little to with this backpeddling. A major jersey sponsor opting not to renew their association with the Boks as well as the talk around town being that no one else is apparently jumping at the opportunity may be the much larger contributing factor. Money talks after all.

  • Comment 167, posted at 04.12.15 06:44:02 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Mitchell would be perfect. Limited exposure for players to his “unique” personality and the benefit of a non sa mind to get us into the modern game.

  • Comment 168, posted at 04.12.15 07:14:37 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I really hope it’s not AC. Stormers had terrible showing under his tenure…

  • Comment 169, posted at 04.12.15 07:18:27 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 164) : Most likely the latter. You remember him being assured of the job even at quarter final time then suddenly after semi’s an announcement will be made early December with him still front runner wanting only to serve then this 180 degree? Too fishy to NOT be a golden handshake deal. This and the kings bail out makes you realism how much money those crooks at saru are really holding on to then they still try to stiff the players whenever they can.

  • Comment 170, posted at 04.12.15 07:24:06 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 164) : Most likely the latter. You remember him being assured of the job even at quarter final time then suddenly after semi’s an announcement will be made early December with him still front runner wanting only to serve, then this 180 degree? Too fishy to NOT be a golden handshake deal. This and the kings bail out makes you realize how much money those crooks at saru are really holding on to then they still try to stiff the players whenever they can.

  • Comment 171, posted at 04.12.15 07:24:50 by coolfusion Reply

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  • For the future viability (survivability?) and financial security of the Boks, Alistair Coetzee is the best candidate for the job right now. The fact that he has some national and super rugby experience, a calm head on his shoulders and managed to successfully navigate the Cape rugby bureaucracy for so long is simply gravy.

  • Comment 172, posted at 04.12.15 07:33:28 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I for one am very happy HM is out and that AC will get the job…everyone going on about some negative points,playing style and whatever else,he,to me, is the best person for the job,has S15 experience where he is a conference winner,played in finals,currie cup winner and brought WP rugby back from some absolute crappy results (although it helped that Rassie got some things in place)
    One thing I love about AC is that he will give skilled players a opportunity and wont have a permanent hard-on for big and old players…after all under his tutelage players like Etzebeth,Kitshoff,Malherbe,Kebble,Catrakilis,Kolbe,Senatla,Scurra and the like came through as top class players!
    His game plan was very defense orientated yes,but they also started moving away from that when Gert arrived,so I will be optimistic about the future of Bok rugby,in my opinion it is in good hands!

  • Comment 173, posted at 04.12.15 11:53:45 by BarendL Reply
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  • @BarendL (Comment 173) : We have different views on how effective he was with the Stormers. I think he underachieved with what he had available to him.

  • Comment 174, posted at 04.12.15 12:42:16 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 160) : Have to agree, but then the same could be said for any SA coach. I would be brave and go for Ackerman, other than his inexperience, he ticks the right boxes for me – bloods new players, good on transformation, plays a watchable style of rugby, fit teams, well rotated teams. Players clearly play for their team and fans.

  • Comment 175, posted at 04.12.15 12:48:27 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @BarendL (Comment 173) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 175) : The problem with the AC vs Ackerman argument is both have positives and negatives. AC positives all mentioned by BarendL, Ackermans positives mentioned by Salmanoid. The negatives for each is AC isn’t very creative in attack (some good assistants can help with this, after all Jake White had the same issue but nobody says he wasn’t up to scratch). Ackerman’s negatives are the Lions win ratio in Super rugby, they just don’t win enough.

    I think Ackerman is a quality coach a but would leave him where he is for now, I think he is doing something special at the Lions and deserves to see it through. So that leaves me with AC as Bok coach but his conservative ways do worry me but that can be handled by the RIGHT assistance. I said it before on this thread, being a good coach doesn’t mean you have all the answers, it’s about knowing how to find them. Should AC get the job I would think he know he needs to be more creative with ball in hand and I’d think he would employ someone who can help in this regard.

  • Comment 176, posted at 04.12.15 14:03:47 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 174) : What did he have available to him? And would a HC have picked the players AC picked when he picked them? I remember one CC final at KP when AC brought youngsters. Everyone thought this was in the bag for us and we lost. Didn’t WP beat the much fancied Lions in the previous year? Didn’t the same WP CC team look clueless without him this CC. Gert Smal was there.

  • Comment 177, posted at 04.12.15 14:14:56 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @BarendL (Comment 173) : What you actually saying is you cant wait for the whole WP midget team to play for the boks…..

  • Comment 178, posted at 04.12.15 14:23:38 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Hulk (Comment 176) : Maybe I have been living in the Cape, watching the Stormers and listening to Stormers / WP supporters for too long to share your enthusiasm for AC as a coach.

    On Ackerman, he is surely a bit green for the job but I would be willing to take that chance just from what I have seen of what he has done to a totally depleted Lions team to what they have been this year.

  • Comment 179, posted at 04.12.15 14:25:00 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 178) : I dont think he is that type of person,only time will tell,but if you go on skills alone,there are a lot more WP guys deserving of Bok honours than currently at the Sharks….
    @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 174) : He might not have achieved everything that we thought was possible with his squads through the years,but I also reckon that he is someone who does listen to outside views and tries to rectify when possible,like when GS was brought to Wp,they did start playing more attractive rugby

  • Comment 180, posted at 04.12.15 15:31:59 by BarendL Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 175) : Ackerman has coached supers and curry cup so has Meyer. Experience seems the same only Meyer had one or two years on him. Besides Ackerman seems more mature than Meyer.

  • Comment 181, posted at 04.12.15 15:37:20 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 178) : Well at least he won’t have a size obsession and miss the talent.

  • Comment 182, posted at 04.12.15 17:00:40 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 181) : Meyer? = Coetzee?

  • Comment 183, posted at 04.12.15 17:05:19 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 183) : Coetzee

  • Comment 184, posted at 04.12.15 18:12:25 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Does anyone know if any coach besides Coetzee has his name in the hat? And i mean realistically not fantasy league picks. Ackermann who a lot of people like still needs to convince me. When he has had a consistent squad going from Super rugby to CC he has done well in the CC. He still needs to show he can produce teams that know how to defend at the top level not just attack a bit. The Lions also wont be seen as cannon fodder so teams will be well prepared so interested to see how Ackermann handles that. So yeh jury still out but definitely a future Bok coach contender. Sorry for those wanting a foreign head coach…you clearly dont know the Sa rugby environment.

  • Comment 185, posted at 07.12.15 08:16:19 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 185) : Do we even know whether Coetzee has his name in the hat or is at all just media speculation?

  • Comment 186, posted at 07.12.15 08:48:39 by MysticShark Reply
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  • @MysticShark (Comment 186) : Good question. Although i do think it was confirmed that he has an exit clause in his Jap contract should he become Bok coach so i think by association then his name is in

  • Comment 187, posted at 07.12.15 08:51:48 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @MysticShark (Comment 186) : @SheldonK (Comment 185) : The are rumors of Wayne smith, not sure if they trying to line him up as AC’s assistant coach or what.

  • Comment 188, posted at 07.12.15 09:00:46 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 188) : Judging by comments from SARU and co of late Wayne Smith at best would be an assistant. A very good assistant. Would be a strange move from him…thought he would be closer to the All Black gig

  • Comment 189, posted at 07.12.15 09:03:45 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 189) : Hey Sheldon. Hope you’re well.

    Wayne Smith has taken 2016 off from rugby, basically a sabbatical. He said he wants a break to recharge his batteries and come back, I guess for the Lions series in 2017, refreshed and ready for action.

    I doubt he’d come to be assistant coach to AC.

  • Comment 190, posted at 07.12.15 09:07:31 by StevieS Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 190) : Hey bud, all good here. That makes sense as he has been an assistant for a while now if im not mistaken so taking time to recharge and rethink makes sense. I also doubted his involvement in SA but i have heard that rumour a couple times. Who would you like to see assist Coetzee? (assuming its Coetzee)

  • Comment 191, posted at 07.12.15 09:22:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • What was interesting to see on the weekend is how a lot of people (myself included) believed that we needed some of our players to play 7s to improve their attacking game and that our local 15s need to embrace the skills of the 7s on attack etc. Well looking at the Bok 7s play on the weekend- their major strength is the same at the 15s…they put massive defensive pressure on a side and look to score off the turnovers. On attack they just simply pass the ball down the line and hope one guy does something special. So even our Sa 7s play a defensive game and rely on individuals to create something

  • Comment 192, posted at 07.12.15 09:27:58 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 191) : I was thinking Plum as forwards coach and someone like a Larkham (obviously not available), a really attack-minded, creative coach for our backs. I don’t know if we have someone local who would fit the bill. Your thoughts?

    @SheldonK (Comment 192) : I noticed that as well. Without Afrika there we didn’t look as creative on attack. That said, I think we could be serious contenders this season if we tighten up discipline. Senatla’s yellow card cost us vs the USA.

  • Comment 193, posted at 07.12.15 09:38:14 by StevieS Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 193) : Just on the 7s- i do like how we played. Couple mistakes but it happens. Thought both Hougaard and DeJong added good value. In terms of assistant coaches…Plum would be a good pick(not sure if he will uproot his family again though). And backs coach an outsider like Leon Macdonald. I do see the value of a foreigner but deep down id love to see local guys given a shot. Not sure if i have any fav locals at the moment though

  • Comment 194, posted at 07.12.15 09:53:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 194) : always wanted to see what george gregan could do in a coaching capacity.though guess you need someone with a bit of a track record for asst bok coach.born in africa.does some work with coaching clinics in zambia it seems.

  • Comment 195, posted at 07.12.15 10:08:30 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 194) : Leon Macdonald? Haven’t heard that name in ages, but I LOVED the way the guy played. Probably one of the most underrated New Zeland backs in recent memory.

  • Comment 196, posted at 07.12.15 10:21:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 194) : @robdylan (Comment 196) : http://i.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/sport/69295348/Leon-MacDonald-to-replace-Kieran-Keane-as-Tasman-Makos-head-coach-in-2016

  • Comment 197, posted at 07.12.15 10:28:13 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 196) : Again prob checks my facts if its still current but i belive he is doing very well coaching locally in New Zealand in the ITM Cup. I think with Tasman

  • Comment 198, posted at 07.12.15 10:30:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 197) : haha well there u go…

  • Comment 199, posted at 07.12.15 10:31:11 by SheldonK Reply

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