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Stormers stick with a legend


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Stormers, Super Rugby on 14 Dec 2015 at 12:37
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Robbie Fleck will be the Stormers’ head coach in Super Rugby next year, with “player power” seemingly putting the kibosh on the “done deal” that was John Mitchell’s supposed appointment to the role.

Fleck, otherwise known as “the legend” in WP rugby circles, has been involved with the senior team in an assistant capacity for a number of seasons now, although his head coaching experience is limited to 2015′s successful Under 21 campaign with Western Province. He’s been running matters on a day-to-day basis for the Stormers pre-season squad ever since Eddie Jones walked out a month ago and reading between the lines, Director of Rugby Gert Smal has decided that appointing Fleck in an interim capacity is the best move ahead of the upcoming season, while he presumably works behind the scenes to find a more palatable candidate than Mitchell to take over full time.

“Gert Smal has done a thorough investigation into all available and interested coaches for the position. Robbie Fleck is a Western Province man through-and-through.” said Thelo Wakefield of the appointment.

“He understands the environment having had extensive experience as an assistant coach at Super Rugby level and as a former WP, Stormers and Springbok player. In addition, he showed his mettle as a head coach this year, dominating the Absa U21 competition. He deserves his opportunity and we are proud to be able to grow one of our own.”



162 Comments

  • Definitely the team to join when you’re looking for a paid holiday – PSdT made the smart choice :twisted:

  • Comment 1, posted at 14.12.15 12:44:12 by FireTheLooser Reply
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  • I guess he could surprise everyone. I like the misleading positivity in that headline. Way to see the glass as half full!

  • Comment 2, posted at 14.12.15 12:56:27 by vanmartin Reply
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  • U have to give them credit for rewarding local coaches coming through their systems. Tough one on Dobson but perhaps that CC campaign cost him. As for Mitchell- his past catching up with him i guess. Yes player power can be a problem but in fairness to them if they looked at his past record it was only a matter of time before he created tension within the squad.

  • Comment 3, posted at 14.12.15 13:23:54 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Har har har!

    Hope he doesnt run in to Deon Kayser in the coaching box.

  • Comment 4, posted at 14.12.15 13:45:33 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 4) : :lol: Still one of the funniest, and for poor Fleckie, most embarrassing moments on a rugby field.

    Ag, what the hell, here is the link for old times sake.

  • Comment 5, posted at 14.12.15 13:53:30 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 4) : My thoughts exactly…or rather…I hope he does… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 6, posted at 14.12.15 13:57:24 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 5) : My brother was at that game…if you listen closely enough you can almost hear him laughing out loud!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 7, posted at 14.12.15 13:58:21 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 7) : :lol: The last time I saw Deon was at that same field a few years ago when he was there with the u/19 or u/21s. It was a fitting piece of nostalgia.

  • Comment 8, posted at 14.12.15 14:03:52 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • So now it’s not only Sharks that can’t find a suitable new super highly qualified Head Coach. Hope this will put the appointment of GG into perspective to all that could not understand it before!!!!! Sometimes it’s just that nobody better is available and then it’s better to keep what you have than appoint someone just for the sake of appointing someone!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 9, posted at 14.12.15 14:15:50 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 9) : Somebody better is available….however, some bitter Lions “person” made a damning phone call to Wakefield, painting Mitchell in all manner of colours – and voila….Fleckie gets himself a buddy appointment.

    I am happy enough with Gold as our head coach – probably the best qualified of all the local franchise coaches. :shock:

  • Comment 10, posted at 14.12.15 14:44:22 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 10) : I think that phone call story is a bit over exaggerated. I really doubt that WP make a decision based on 1 phone call from a rival. Having said that Mitchell’s checkered past is well documented…

  • Comment 11, posted at 14.12.15 14:51:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • This is nothing short of a disgrace, Gert Smal has been treated as badly as Mitchell has. Player power and amateurs are now running the Stormers and WP…..Players are in comfort zones and resting on their laurels. The Tail is wagging the Dog and this sets Stormers up for another season of mediocrity. Not only do we have a lightweight Management make up, we also now told we have no cash for a decent 10 and fetcher.
    Mitchell was EXACTLY what this bunch needed to get them out their mediocrity. Instead we have a backline coach that underperformed for years now masquerading as a Head Coach. This is a cocktail for disaster.
    After 39 years of faithfully attending Newlands , I will NOT go to 1 more game under this type of Mismanagement . Enough is enough.
    It saddens me but fans like me are not catered for….where is the money WP got for Jones? We didnt get a world class coach and now we cant even get a 10 and a fetcher….Stormers have become a sick joke…..nothing more and nothing less.

  • Comment 12, posted at 14.12.15 15:06:49 by grant10 Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 12) : If this appointed management start winning games would you change your mind?

  • Comment 13, posted at 14.12.15 15:31:22 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 13) : Its the principle…..I have nothing against Fleck, have met him a few times, a decent gent. But the way the decision was arrived at is just not the way a pro Union should be run….I can tell you that Smal in no way supports this, he wanted Mitchell….he has been forced to accept Flecks appointment and has already spoken of collective management of the team, whick means no one shoulders responsibility. I have 1 way of showing my discontent…..and thats by changing my lifestyle, which revolved around Newlands and the rugby….its not something I take any joy in, its the only life I know….but where does one draw the line? Must I continue to support insanity? I think not…..the Stormers and Weepee will be just fine on there own road….but my road is no longer headed to Newlands….no thank you.

  • Comment 14, posted at 14.12.15 15:42:01 by grant10 Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 13) : See Gavins Richs 2 x columns on Supersport….eye openers of note….I cannot imagine Chelsea phoning Manchester United and influencing there choice of Coach…its simply absurd.

  • Comment 15, posted at 14.12.15 15:44:22 by grant10 Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 12) : Hi Grant , how you doing Bud? sorry about the shyte lol We in the same boat though, cash is tight and thus we buying bits and pieces players, Wining teams make the big money, I however thought with Rupert you guys had no cash problems?

    And I am coming to the Cape for 2 weeks so gonna call you, go have a few cold ones for sure. cheers.

  • Comment 16, posted at 14.12.15 15:45:54 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 17) : JP Jansen Van Rensburg captained Lions in 2012 and was part of the dissenting voices allegedly….I am not sure about Taute and Vermaak….apparently some Lion official called Wakefield with a lot of anti Mitchell rhetoric….
    This after a very good interview process with Mitchell.
    I can tell you right now that weppee players are in such a comfort zone….they happy to just win the SA Conference…and got the easier group in 2016…..
    I wish them well….will , as always, support them when they play etc. But will not go watch them as long as the status quo is as is. I gave my 2 x Stormers jerseys to some homeless gents I saw….I normally go in a tight group of friends, about 6 to 8 of us….and not 1 of that group will attend a game in disgust in 2016…..
    we maybe only a small group, but we have been loyal since 13 years old….hardly ever miss a game….but we are so disappointed. Enough is enough.

  • Comment 17, posted at 14.12.15 15:56:48 by grant10 Reply

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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 16) : cool!

  • Comment 18, posted at 14.12.15 15:57:15 by grant10 Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 7) : i was there too

  • Comment 19, posted at 14.12.15 16:09:15 by grant10 Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 17) : who the hell is JP Jansen van Rensburg?

  • Comment 20, posted at 14.12.15 16:27:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : Loosehead prop ex Lion…then France…Kitshoff replacement…I think I have name right?

  • Comment 21, posted at 14.12.15 16:29:08 by grant10 Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : my bad…JC Janse Van Rensburg

  • Comment 22, posted at 14.12.15 16:38:45 by grant10 Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 22) : Yes he is an ex Lions Prop, I think he plays both sides of the scrum.

  • Comment 23, posted at 14.12.15 16:50:05 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • Grant I have followed your musings since the old Keo days and to say I have never seen you threaten your Newlands attendance before, usually before the start of each season, would be lying.

  • Comment 25, posted at 14.12.15 22:41:12 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 3) : really and on what do you base these facts? The netball players will get what they deserve now and at least the Sharks won’t land up last on SR log

  • Comment 26, posted at 14.12.15 23:10:20 by benji Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 11) : really ,well documented by who,have you read the true and proper facts about these so called insidents? Then you can pass these sweeping statements of fact

  • Comment 27, posted at 14.12.15 23:14:54 by benji Reply
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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 25) : Well I am finally done …..By the way, Gert Smal….I wonder how long he will be around now that he has been overruled by the Fat Boys?
    Heard Saru not too sure about Alsitair….if Stormers want Smal to get in the trenches to assist Fleck, if i was Smal I would throw my name in the hat for Bok job….I would not stay on if I had an alternative after that treatment…..
    Imagine that….WP / Stormers losing Jones, Mitchell and Smal……..bit of a circus.
    By the way….I have always stood by what I said on Keo or any site….never changed my name ever….more than I can say for many others….

  • Comment 28, posted at 15.12.15 07:24:59 by grant10 Reply

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  • Something I posted on another site
    Terrible decision no matter what this Stephen Nell says. It is a smack in the face of Gert Smal . WP may even end up losing Jones. Mitchell and Smal based on this cowardly decision making . The Board should have backed Smal, and informed Smal that he [ Smal ] would need to ensure a healthy vibe between Mitchell and players etc. That would have been the responsible thing to do. It would have left Stormers with a former All Black coach, a happy Director of Rugby and a player corps that would have been forced out of comfort zones…..Now we are faced with a lightweight ‘collective ‘Stormers management group, comfort zone players, a disgruntled Smal and our chances for success basically ended before the season starts…..How can you appoint a Director of Rugby and then overrule him on such a high profile decision? I am not sure Smal will stay on now…..I know I would be looking for other opportunities if I was Smal….perhaps the Bok job may now be something Smal wants…..if he has to coach again, why not the top job instead of a lightweight Stormers who dont even have a proper fetcher , 10 and a Collective unproven management team?

  • Comment 29, posted at 15.12.15 07:54:35 by grant10 Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 14) : If you standing by your stance thats all well and good. I just see so many people say exactly what you have said but yet in a month or two when there side starts winning they become the staunchest supporter again. I still dont believe that 1 phonecall from someone at the Lions was the major influence in this decision

  • Comment 30, posted at 15.12.15 08:11:50 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @benji (Comment 26) : @benji (Comment 27) : There are always 3 sides to every story. Fact is the way he left the All Blacks, Blues (i think), Force, Lions does create a pattern like it or not…funny how he must be the innocent party in every one of those occassions. He knows rugby but doesnt know people, its simple as that.

  • Comment 31, posted at 15.12.15 08:14:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 31) : Smal should have been tasked with the job of ensuring Mitchell compliance. Mitchell also said he recognises he had problems and had worked on his shortcomings…..
    Are you going to hold that against him forever? Have you not grown with age and wisdom?
    Are you seriously saying the Sharks would not take Mitchell on board with open arms?
    Anyway, this is a Sharks website and I dont want to upset anyone. So I am letting it be now.

  • Comment 32, posted at 15.12.15 08:22:44 by grant10 Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 32) : Im not saying there arent pros to having having Mitchell coach…but at the same time turning a blind eye to the negatives would be very ignorant. You also have to remember that Mitchell comes with a serious price tag and definitely no guarantees of success. So those thinking sport decisions get made in an ideal world clearly havnt ever been involved there. Everyone has their own angle. Im guessing those championing Mitchell’s negatives outweighed Smal pushing the pros. Remember also that Smal needs to be seen to be appointing the most high profile guy possible to justify his job and salary. So is Fleck the most ideal, possibly not. But you cant argue he that doesnt have WP at heart and is respected by the players etc. His u21s were a well drilled side. So lets see. Im all for backing South Africans whilst also acknowledging the benefit of outsiders. But thats just my opinion. Stick by yours

  • Comment 33, posted at 15.12.15 08:46:46 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Hahahaha Jean De Villiers has stated the players at WP are happy with Fleck’s appointment. Of course they are Jean, of course they are. Buddy buddy system just as bad as we have here at the Sharks… and look where that got us!

  • Comment 34, posted at 15.12.15 09:35:11 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • I think Mitchell would have worked at the Stormers firstly because he has acknowledged that he had an issue with his approach the way hetreated peole and that he had addressed and sorted these issues out and secondly and more importantly I think Smal would have been able to keep him grounded if the situation arose.

  • Comment 35, posted at 15.12.15 10:35:41 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Im also sure that the Stormers will be successful with even an average coach, they are a good squad so they should not be learning too many new things but its when the chips are down and they have to dig deep that the chickens may come home to roost.

  • Comment 36, posted at 15.12.15 10:38:09 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @grant10 (Comment 29) : Imagine if Smal turned up at the Sharks as DOR in the not too distant future.

  • Comment 37, posted at 15.12.15 11:20:30 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 37) : I may then spend more times on planes than I have been!

  • Comment 38, posted at 15.12.15 12:01:36 by grant10 Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 38) : Sharks season tickets dont include flights… ;)

  • Comment 39, posted at 15.12.15 12:13:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 39) : LOL….Smal and Mitchell together at Sharks and I wont give a damn….I will make a plan!

  • Comment 40, posted at 15.12.15 12:20:46 by grant10 Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 38) : I read Gavin Rich’s angle on this and from that it seems as if Smal was seriously undermined.

  • Comment 41, posted at 15.12.15 12:39:29 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 41) : He has been…..a slap in the face for sure….He wont take kindly…..I would not be surprised if he makes a play for Bok job….would be awesome if he then brought Mitchell into bok set up too!

  • Comment 42, posted at 15.12.15 12:44:54 by grant10 Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 41) : then you have also read that the Lions purposely stopped the appointment of Mich so the Lions would not have to face a coach of that caliber . good times :lol:

  • Comment 43, posted at 15.12.15 13:40:15 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 5) : :lol:

    Deon Keyser running the ‘blindspot’ line. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 44, posted at 15.12.15 13:48:51 by Ben Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 43) : :lol:

  • Comment 45, posted at 15.12.15 13:57:52 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 45) : If the Lions had that much power , i would prefer it if they could get the Boks to pick a few Lions players …

    Wait … #MeyerOut ….

    mmmmm . he might have a point …

  • Comment 46, posted at 15.12.15 13:59:25 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @grant10 (Comment 42) : I personally think Mitchell could work at bok coach level. Limited exposure to the players and the fact that no single group of provincial fat boys can wail and moan and oust him since there are plenty of unions to pick from and replace big ego’s.

  • Comment 47, posted at 15.12.15 14:26:48 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 47) : very good point indeed.

  • Comment 48, posted at 16.12.15 07:36:52 by grant10 Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 43) : Its amateur hour by the weepee…..where on earth would you find Manchester United taking advice from Chelsea on who to appoint as their Manager? Lions sold us a dummy and we bought it hook, line and sinker

  • Comment 49, posted at 16.12.15 07:39:20 by grant10 Reply

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  • Don’t worry! Fleck says he’s going to emulate Eddie Jones’ tactics!

  • Comment 50, posted at 16.12.15 12:15:12 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 50) : He must’ve picked up a lot during Eddie’s 1 week employment stint (read stunt)

  • Comment 51, posted at 16.12.15 15:11:23 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • I see province have put players above coach with them admitting that mitchells poor player management skills was the reason was the reason he was not employed. Seems john smit might actually know what he is doing.

  • Comment 52, posted at 17.12.15 08:49:22 by byron Reply

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  • I think mitchell would make a great short term specialist consultant.Limited time with players and more time with coaches

  • Comment 53, posted at 17.12.15 08:51:53 by byron Reply

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  • @byron (Comment 52) : @byron (Comment 53) : Ja right just like Ferguson had at Man United,just ask Beckham where he got the scar on his forhead,what nonsense,all the girl guides in SA,and look where this mighty rugby nation landed up,worst performers on SR ,and I bet on a repeat of that except for the Bullarinas perhaps,and beaten by Japan

  • Comment 54, posted at 17.12.15 09:16:21 by benji Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 37) : Don’t joke about such things please.

  • Comment 55, posted at 17.12.15 09:18:41 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @benji (Comment 54) : I dont remember Ferguson being sued by any team he left? Mitchell may no some rugby things but he certainly doesnt guarantee success. Lets see what Fleck can offer before writing the guy off. His u21s were very well drilled.

  • Comment 56, posted at 17.12.15 09:19:44 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 56) : The Eternal Optimist. Good on you,

  • Comment 57, posted at 17.12.15 12:59:54 by grant10 Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 57) : I guess i just have a soft spot for backing the locals. Will judge him after not before. Interesting it seems as though ex WP man Coetzee not as much of a dead cert for Bok job after all.

  • Comment 58, posted at 17.12.15 13:04:26 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 58) : Yes….I am not sure what the plan is with Bok coach….I am also in 2 minds on this issue. If we go local AC will be the go to man in my opinion……..he is in touch with the SA situation and if he gets some heavyweights around him that will hopefully convince hom of the merits of a more offensive minded game plan, then he should do well….
    Rassie has rarely shown a willingness to get involved in the front line. Ackermann would be an inspired choice but whether SARU would do this at this stage is debateable. Purely from a rugby perspective I believe he would be a very good choice.
    Brendan Venter is a bit of an enigma to me….he also seems unable or unwilling to really commit to anything for any length of time….I believe his rugby brain is good…..but I still feel uneasy …

    Dawie Theron is a no no for me….

    Mitchell would be a great appointment, but given the WP slander I cant see it happening.

    I am also a huge Plumtree fan…..love what he brings …..he may just be a dark horse and I would be thrilled for him!

    Wayne Smith is probably just wishful thinking……

    But you are correct……I dont think the AC appointment is a done deal at all…

  • Comment 59, posted at 17.12.15 15:51:49 by grant10 Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 59) : Yeh im pretty much with you on all of that. I wouldnt like Brendon Venter as i think he just does things to suit himself and lacks any commitment. Rassie is a curious one as he has def stayed in the background in recent times. Plum i rate as a forwards coach- not certain of him as an International Head Coach, same goes for Ackermann just yet. Dawie Theron- no, although as an assistant to someone…maybe at a push. Seems as though Coetzee is considered the ‘safe bet’ and wouldnt cause political ripples but some Unions question his attacking ability…surely best bet then would be to get a good attacking assistant. Guess time will tell.

  • Comment 60, posted at 17.12.15 16:00:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 59) : @SheldonK (Comment 60) : I would like to see an international coach take the Bokke just for some change in their whole thinking and approach to rugby!!! SA need to move on from “crash and bash” rugby and I can’t see it happening under any local coach.

  • Comment 61, posted at 17.12.15 16:12:36 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 60) : Yes…..I was driven insane by the Stormers over the last few years with the ultra defensive game plan….it bordered on the cowardly at times..! Apparently Nienaber and Rassie had huge input so I am not sure AC can carry all the blame. I saw a far better balanced game plan once Smal stepped into the role at WP…..

    Dont be surprised if Smal makes a move for the Bok job….he has a CV second to none…..and must be absolutely gutted at what happened with the Mitchell debacle….
    instead of having to hold Fleckies hand he may want to rather do his own Bok thing……

  • Comment 62, posted at 17.12.15 16:14:44 by grant10 Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 50) : what is that, dump WP at the first possible chance?

  • Comment 63, posted at 17.12.15 16:15:03 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 61) : Remember an ‘international’ Bok coach only has limited time with the players…especially now with expanded comps etc. The reason sides like NZ and OZ are so successful is that at a local level the coaches are playing the same way and focussing on the same skills etc. Trying to force it top down wont work…not enough contact time. It has to come from the local coaches and then the Bok coach just expands on it a bit and brings his side together.

  • Comment 64, posted at 17.12.15 16:18:46 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 62) : Interesting point regarding Smal. I see him more as like a Rudolf Streauli….not the greatest when thrust into the limelight and having to make off the cuff comments and decisions but can be very very effective working behind the scenes, getting plans and deals in place etc. In terms of Coetzee and the Stormers…i really did like their defensive play. Yes their attack lack a bit and does point to lack of direction…but i also look at the WP 9/10s of late…nothing much in the way on enterprising attack…more steady an stable.

  • Comment 65, posted at 17.12.15 16:22:47 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 65) : Stormers have massive issues at 9 10 and opensider…Jones was here for a couple of days and pointed those deficiencies out….The Stormers management have known this for a very long time and done nothing to sort it…..bloody useless…..

  • Comment 66, posted at 17.12.15 16:26:45 by grant10 Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 65) : Smal would do a great job as forwards coach or Head Coach in my opinion….He doesent say much….but he is a very astute coach….He rated Mitchell off the charts…and I just cant see him being happy with the WP board…..I really cant see him staying….that was the DOR decision to make and should have been rubber stamped by the Board….Wakefield should have pulled Smal aside and told him he would be expected to keep an eye on the relationship side of the Mitchell appointment.

    However, instead, Smal has been snubbed publically …..thats the truth of the matter, he now having to talk of Collective Mangement etc…all a load of nonsense…..I cant see it lasting….I would of walked already if I was Smal

  • Comment 67, posted at 17.12.15 16:43:37 by grant10 Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 61) : I concur wholeheartedly….however the chosen 1 will need an understanding of the dynamics at play here…

  • Comment 68, posted at 17.12.15 17:19:50 by grant10 Reply

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  • Mourinho gone…

  • Comment 69, posted at 17.12.15 17:41:31 by grant10 Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 60) : It would not surprise me to find out he (brendon) was also a driving force behind Jake leaving the sharks. WP would also be better off without him.

  • Comment 70, posted at 18.12.15 06:22:32 by coolfusion Reply

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  • SA rugby politics is what prevents us from being competitive. Sure NZ have their gripes but are they anywhere as accommodating and sift on the players as SA. The coach should be the undisputed boss and so should the DOR. Pick the right men and allow them to make the laws.

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  • @grant10 (Comment 69) : ja failure is not an option no matter how big your reputation!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 72, posted at 18.12.15 07:35:47 by JD Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 71) : think currently there’s “to many Chief and to little Indians” in SA rugby. We need more people that work than bosses!!!!!!!!!!! For me the DOR needs to give the Head Coach space to do his work but in some cases it seems as if the DOR want’s to tell the Head Coach what to do and how he must do it!!!

  • Comment 73, posted at 18.12.15 07:46:57 by JD Reply
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  • @grant10 (Comment 66) : Stormers have Jano Vermaak and Groom that should be there two 9s. I dont rate Masimla or Shreuder. At 10 options are limited so they need to rhwo their junior Bok 10s into the mix here. Rob DuPreez, Jean Luc Dupreez, Brandon Thompson all need to push for no.1. Coleman i dont rate…maybe as an alternative 15.

  • Comment 74, posted at 18.12.15 07:57:48 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 73) : The problems start much higher than that…playing affairs dictated by top level and even SARU management…thats where majority of problems start and are only compounded when you get down to Head Coach level

  • Comment 75, posted at 18.12.15 07:59:10 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 56) : please don’t tell me you are actualy comparing Fleck and JM,really now,the style and blue print for the way the All Blacks train,play,mindset was JM ,go read it up,but hey Netball players U21 doin good ,eish,and sued by who exactly was Jm?

  • Comment 76, posted at 18.12.15 08:35:17 by benji Reply
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  • @grant10 (Comment 69) : yes and that fact just shows that rugby although money is paid ,still has an amateur mindset,cause GG has no justification to be coach in a proper proffesional sport,he would have been booted long ago,and no talk of continuity nonsense,cause when you all being paid you get on with the job regardless,no amateurs

  • Comment 77, posted at 18.12.15 08:47:30 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 76) : Are u attributing all the All Blacks success over the years to John Mitchell? Really? I cant remember ever comparing Mitchell and Fleck other than they are both rugby coaches and former players. What i did say is its only fair to give Fleck a chance before wanting to execute the guy. Like i said his u21s were well drilled. And if i were to compare Fleck and Mitchell, yes Mitchell perhaps has more rugby knowledge but Fleck has never punched players he coached or been sued by his employers. So pros and cons…

  • Comment 78, posted at 18.12.15 09:10:30 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 75) : ja boet!!!!! very true!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 79, posted at 18.12.15 09:50:23 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 79) : scary thought that guys coaching in SA dont only have to worry about coaching but all those others factors they need to consider and people they need to keep happy. Then throw in our SA players that love to throw tantrums and it really does become a tough job. Not even producing a winning team is deemed sufficientif you dont do it in an acceptable way..

  • Comment 80, posted at 18.12.15 10:02:49 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 80) : ja it’s true but then again they made the choice to go into coaching and just like in any other work you must keep your boss happy otherwise you could find yourself in the unemployment line!

  • Comment 81, posted at 18.12.15 11:01:00 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 81) : No 100% its what they chose. And yes its a stressful job like any other…they dont just get to sun tan and throw a ball around. Its also a hell of a lot easier to fire a coach than a normal employee though.

  • Comment 82, posted at 18.12.15 11:14:36 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 82) : ja that’s true. If the team does not perform it’s the coach and when they do perform it’s the players. I coached Primary School rugby and trust me, personally I don’t want to be a National or Provincial coach even if they offered me a whole lot of money!!!!!!!! That’s why I try (don’t always succeed) to be not to hard on coaches as I know it’s a thankless job!!!!!!

  • Comment 83, posted at 18.12.15 11:27:52 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 83) : I def can relate as well. I do think not being a professional coach and coaching amateurs is a lot more rewarding though…even if you do have a few pesky parents to deal with.

  • Comment 84, posted at 18.12.15 11:36:50 by SheldonK Reply

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  • And where does John Dobson (as current CC coach) fit into all of this?

  • Comment 85, posted at 18.12.15 11:39:29 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 85) : My guess is he will take the WP side during the initial CC phase and then Assist Fleck with the CC proper. Wouldnt mind seeing him and Rob Dupreez team up at the Sharks for CC ;)

  • Comment 86, posted at 18.12.15 11:51:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 84) : ja must say (due to work) I’ve been out of coaching for a while but really miss it! Hoping to start again next year!!!!!

  • Comment 87, posted at 18.12.15 11:54:36 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 86) : Yeah, I like Dobson,he has had some very good results with good but not superstar teams. His CC season was very up and down with a few heavy losses but he did make the CC final in his first year and that cant be bad.

  • Comment 88, posted at 18.12.15 12:37:43 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 88) : Ive always thought he has produced good sides since his UCT days. Maybe not the best defensive sides but with so many people wanting teams not to be defensive you can sorta feel for the guy focussing elsewhere. Would be a blow to WP if he left

  • Comment 89, posted at 18.12.15 12:43:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 80) : now we agree on something ,well put,and let me add bar a few,underskilled lazy and don’t hace a clue what it is to be a true proffesional

  • Comment 90, posted at 18.12.15 14:54:46 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 90) : haha welcome to Africa…well the Southern tip at least. Everyone in it for himself and his own piece of the pie. Utopian ideas and concepts arent welcome here and change is not embraced. If you dont have the Green Mamba passport you dont fully appreciate the snakes in the grass…

  • Comment 91, posted at 18.12.15 15:00:57 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 83) : I’m on my way to fetch you out the States mate,the Sharks need you,and if you stuck just ask all of us on this site and you can go win us a SR trophy

  • Comment 92, posted at 18.12.15 15:05:43 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 92) : hahaha ja boet!

  • Comment 93, posted at 18.12.15 15:46:18 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 91) : eish cutting and true

  • Comment 94, posted at 18.12.15 19:32:01 by benji Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 73) : But that just translates to lack of confidence on the head coach or DOR level of maturity. Smal for instance can’t let fleck just run rampant but if he had a strong head coach he could comfortably hand the reigns over. But you are right about too many chiefs there should ultimately be only one boss to listen to otherwise there will never be consistency in tactical decision making. DOR is more big picture strategy.

  • Comment 95, posted at 18.12.15 19:38:22 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 95) : ja that is how it should work. Let’s hope if the Sharks appoint a new head coach that they get it right!!!

  • Comment 96, posted at 19.12.15 08:53:19 by JD Reply
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  • Wow. Killer article by Gavin Rich regarding Mitchell over at SA Rugby Mag. What I would give for the Sharks yo be run with the same professionalism as English Premier League football teams, what I’d give for Mitchell to be coach instead of Gary Gold…

  • Comment 97, posted at 20.12.15 02:48:34 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • The “reformed” Mitchell it appears. Jeez the guy has been paying a “life coach” ffs. Sounds like he deserves another shot.

  • Comment 98, posted at 20.12.15 04:18:00 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 98) : …you’re advocating that Mitchell should be give a second chance by franchises – but “Gold must go”.

    Spot the irony.

  • Comment 99, posted at 20.12.15 12:48:02 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 99) : no irony at all. I suspect you don’t know the meaning.

    Gold has won NOTHING. Ever. No track record.

    On the contrary, Mitchell was a successful All Blacks coach, and even got the “Lowly Lions” to win a trophy….

    But the “second chance” is due to non rugby reasons. Not the results above.

    Come on man, you’re better than this.

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 100) : …surely no man can make the willfully blind to see ;)

  • Comment 101, posted at 20.12.15 20:13:43 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Mitchell is an undoubtedly talented and good coach who had some personal problems. Those personal problems appear to have been resolved.

    Gold is an undoubtedly shit and untalented coach who by all accounts is a wonderful talker and nice guy.

    You decide…

  • Comment 102, posted at 20.12.15 20:24:28 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 102) : Correct me if I’m wrong… Mitch coached UKZN after leaving the Lions, built them up to a respectable level and then left on fairly good terms… Was that because the kids were playing for the love of the game and there were no Prima Donnas or because JM has turned the corner?

  • Comment 103, posted at 20.12.15 20:40:43 by the ko Reply

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  • @the ko (Comment 103) : think it could be a bit of both!

  • Comment 104, posted at 20.12.15 21:04:24 by JD Reply
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  • @the ko (Comment 103) : possibly a bit of both. Who knows.

  • Comment 105, posted at 20.12.15 21:05:23 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 100) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 101) : @the ko (Comment 103) : like “the ko” said Mitch did a good job of coaching Ukzn and did not leave under a cloud like previous jobs. If he gets appointed the Gold can do the DOR work he was appointed to do, so see you all got something right.

  • Comment 106, posted at 20.12.15 21:08:52 by JD Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 99) : just asking,are you resident in South Africa?

  • Comment 107, posted at 20.12.15 21:56:45 by benji Reply
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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 102) : mate a question for you,why you even bothering or worse ,giving an answe to such drivel?

  • Comment 108, posted at 20.12.15 22:01:59 by benji Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 106) : Correct… It’s obviously not as simple as this, but if I was JS, I’d appoint JM and tailor his contract a bit… Like Liverpool did with Balotelli a few seasons ago. If there’s proof that JM is a doos, then he walks free of charge, if not, then we pay the severance package

  • Comment 109, posted at 20.12.15 22:02:53 by the ko Reply

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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 97) : from your lips to the ears of Pastors employer

  • Comment 110, posted at 20.12.15 22:04:38 by benji Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 106) : just a quick queation,why would you have a non achiever as DOR,the top boss, over seeing a proper achiever,how will that work?

  • Comment 111, posted at 20.12.15 22:08:50 by benji Reply
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  • @the ko (Comment 109) : now you talking like a true Sharks fan

  • Comment 112, posted at 20.12.15 22:10:31 by benji Reply
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  • Ja why must we settle for Gold ANYWHERE in our system?

  • Comment 113, posted at 21.12.15 02:24:05 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @benji (Comment 111) : @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 113) : because we really don’t know what Gold offers as a DOR as he’s never had a chance to show us. Just because he’s struggling as Head coach does not make him a bad DOR. Give him a chance to do the work he was appointed to do before we call for him to be fired!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 114, posted at 21.12.15 08:12:48 by JD Reply
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  • @the ko (Comment 103) : Mitch left UKZN as he wanted a lot more money but he didnt get them into varsity cup so was told no. He then just left and they had to rebuild again under Ryan Strudwick who actually got them playing better rugby than they did under Mitchell…

  • Comment 115, posted at 21.12.15 08:41:57 by SheldonK Reply

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  • John Mitchell may (success is not guaranteed) be a fairly good short term solution but he definitely wont stick around for longer than 2years unless the Union wants to fork out plenty. I like that the Sharks have taken Rob Dupreez on board with hopefully the long term view of him becoming the Super rugby head coach.

  • Comment 116, posted at 21.12.15 08:44:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 116) : ja would love to see what the team does under RdP. Think he could be a really good Head coach.

  • Comment 117, posted at 21.12.15 08:49:12 by JD Reply
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  • @the ko (Comment 103) : Do you have any first hand knowledge of how Mitchell was perceived at the Impi. I have asked the question before without getting an answer. It would be interesting to know how the youngsters took to him. It would, however, ultimately mean squat because it was in reality a very brief stint (a few months at best) and could hardly be equated to the professional environment of a full time coach / squad situation.

  • Comment 118, posted at 21.12.15 08:51:11 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 116) : @JD (Comment 117) : this is SR not CC ,have yuou looked across the Indian Ocean to see what’s waiting for the Sharks,eish,have you seen the SR advert on TV,eish,I’m scared,and yes bring JM for the two years and let him set the blue print for skills,style,training and more importantly the mental toughness needed which I believe is his greatest forte,then he can leave and we can go win a SR trophy

  • Comment 119, posted at 21.12.15 08:55:20 by benji Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 114) : what are you talking about? He was DOR at Bath and just like every rugby job he has had he sucked! Bath asked him to vamos.

  • Comment 120, posted at 21.12.15 08:59:43 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • Oh and Gold WAS appointed as DOR which WAS head coach of Super Rugby too. This is accepted now. So why are we going so easy on him when his job WAS to coach the Super team last year, and he truly sucked?

  • Comment 121, posted at 21.12.15 09:02:45 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @benji (Comment 119) : Which NZ or OZ super rugby coach had previous super rugby or international winning success before they were appointed? Lets give these guys a chance. We seem to be so pro New Zealand in this country that we may as well just support them and not the Boks.

  • Comment 122, posted at 21.12.15 09:04:37 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @benji (Comment 119) : seems as if Mitch wants a long term contract. He’s not willing to leave his current job for anything less than a 4 year deal.
    For me it seems as currently there is no better coach available to the Sharks so just let the guys do their best and we can wait and see how they do.

  • Comment 123, posted at 21.12.15 09:15:52 by JD Reply
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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 121) : because if your boss ask you to help someone (with their work) and you suck at it will you be fired?!?!

  • Comment 124, posted at 21.12.15 09:18:05 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 122) : SHARKS SHARKS SHARKS even if they suck ALWAYS THE SHARKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 125, posted at 21.12.15 09:19:37 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 122) : dude, 4 of the 5 kiwi franchises have won the blinking thing and the 5th has been in several finals.

    They obviously know what they are doing. We don’t.

  • Comment 126, posted at 21.12.15 09:21:24 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 124) : ag man, it was his work all along boet.

  • Comment 127, posted at 21.12.15 09:22:39 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 125) : mate that’s a given but what is wrong in wanting ones team to be the powerhouse it once was,and with proper systems,planning and leadership it should have been so

  • Comment 128, posted at 21.12.15 09:32:47 by benji Reply
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  • @Gold_Must_Go (Comment 126) : That must be all because of the coaches…who the players are means absolutely nothing im guessing? The Highlanders went from the bottom 3rd of the log to winning the title in 2yrs..same coach…if was in SA there would have been calls to execute the coach after the first year. Im not saying our local guys are perfect, but neither are our players. Lets give them a chance.

  • Comment 129, posted at 21.12.15 09:40:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @benji (Comment 107) : how exactly does that tie in with anything I said?

  • Comment 130, posted at 21.12.15 10:57:45 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @benji (Comment 128) : we all want the Sharks to be the “power house” in SA and the world!!!!!!!! Problem is we also need to be realistic and give the new guys a chance to settle and stop changing coaches every year!!!!!!!!!! I personally think with some of the new guys (like RdP) that there will be a huge improvement at the Sharks.

  • Comment 131, posted at 21.12.15 11:41:23 by JD Reply
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  • I discovered this article on Planet Rugby yesterday.
    It seems almost unprecedented for a person to be blocked from employment by such an authoritative body? I wonder as to the legal recourse that Mitchell may have?

    http://www.planetrugby.com/news/saru-boss-didnt-want-mitchell-at-stormers/#fb-comments

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 115) : I’m sure there was a ruling that you could only go up to VC after 2 years?

  • Comment 133, posted at 21.12.15 12:15:37 by the ko Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 118) : I haven’t gone into depth about him, but after playing against one of the guys that played under him I asked how it was and he only had good things to say

  • Comment 134, posted at 21.12.15 12:18:48 by the ko Reply

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  • @the ko (Comment 133) : Was either that or they lost the playoff game. But either way UKZN wanted him to stay on and get them into VC but amount he was asking for was too much. So instead of leaving for another coaching job he just left them. Strudwick had to start again. So yes mitchell comes with pros but also a lot of cons

  • Comment 135, posted at 21.12.15 12:22:57 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @charlieharvey (Comment 132) : if they did not sign anything I can’t see him having any legal claim. As for SARU and Lions bosses all they did was give their opinions on him based on what had happened, so basically they gave him a bad reverence so really can’t see anything happening to them.

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  • @the ko (Comment 133) : yes 2016 is the next promotion/relegation year. They lost their chance for promotion when in 2014 they finished second to Bloemfontein side.

  • Comment 137, posted at 21.12.15 12:29:17 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 135) : yes think he’s currently his working in private sector as a CEO in Pietermaritzburg or Durban.
    He’s a very good coach but looking at his past it seems as if he’s problem could be work with people, so ja if you manage to piss of your bosses enough times you will get a reputation as a difficult employee and will struggle to get good reverences and ultimately struggle to get good work.

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  • @the ko (Comment 134) : was it one of the Ukzn players?

  • Comment 139, posted at 21.12.15 12:40:22 by JD Reply
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  • @ Sheldonk (Comment 129) Are you saying that you would favourably compare our muppets with Jamie Joseph, Tony Brown and Scott Mcleod (RdP has still to prove himself at these levels)?

  • Comment 140, posted at 21.12.15 13:05:30 by charlieharvey Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 138) : Yeh like it or not your track record follows you even if you have turned over a new leaf. He obviously comes with pros but turning a blind eye to the cons would be silly.

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  • @charlieharvey (Comment 140) : Are u including every SA coach in that muppet definition? As i said we are so pro NZ and anti SA guys here in South Africa that we should probably just save ourselves the hassle and support NZ. Not saying our guys are perfect…but give them a chance before we want to crucify. Also remember our SA coaches are coaching SA players not NZ players…there is a difference whether we choose to admit it or not.

  • Comment 142, posted at 21.12.15 13:25:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @charlieharvey (Comment 132) : I hope Mitchell sues Hoskins and KDK …..words cant describe how angry I am at those 2 ….and with Wakefield for not allowing his DOR, Gert Smal, to do his job….matter of time before Smal leaves and the whole castle comes crumbling down at WP

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  • @JD (Comment 139) : Yip, one of the locks

  • Comment 144, posted at 21.12.15 13:34:54 by the ko Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 143) : I get you arent happy with Wakefield but what would Mitchell sue the others for?? Also with Mitchell not an option why hasnt Smal been able to secure anyone else of the extreme calibre guys want?

  • Comment 145, posted at 21.12.15 13:35:26 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 145) : I am no attorney, but with Hoskins openly saying they advised Wakefield not to take on Mitchell because of the previous issues at the Lions, almost seems a bit like slander to me, especially given the not guilty verdicts at Mitchells hearings etc?
    As for why not another top coach…..time against us after the Jones walkout and the dithering over Mitchell….?
    Anyway, Stormers must sail their own ship…..although so angry I cant describe it, I have gotten used to massive ineptitude at the WP boardroom……amateurs…..truly nothing but amateurs.

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  • @the ko (Comment 144) : I worked with the guy before he was offered a scholarship to ukzn and also played a bit of rugby with him at the rhinos so I knew him fairly well. He’s not the kind that would keep quiet when treated badly or unfairly, so I’m sure he would have said something

  • Comment 147, posted at 21.12.15 13:42:22 by the ko Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 146) : Mitchell might well be interested in taking some more money from SARU….

    …will be interesting to see how this debacle unfolds.

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  • @grant10 (Comment 146) : Slander very tough to prove a case especially as pretty much true. WP would have had to throw huge money and a 4yr deal at Mitchell to get hm to agree as he previously said we didnt want anything less. It is interesting that SARU got involved though…seems like they need to be seen to be backing the appointment of an SA guy over a foreigner. The Lions also had trouble with Jake White but i didnt hear of them phoning the Sharks and advising against him so i think there is probably a bit more to it than what the press reports. Just food for thought…Smal as DOR must be seen to be earning his bucks by getting the best possible coaches etc. By not getting a ‘top coach’ is that then grounds for Wakefield to remove Smal as he hasnt done his job??

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 141) : and expensive!!!!!!!!!! :twisted:

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  • Jeepers, but Hoskins should just keep on focusing on stuffing up one union at a time, at the moment the Kings are still a work in progress.

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  • @grant10 (Comment 143) : sue them for what giving a bad work reverence?!?! If Hoskins said no team is SA is allowed to appoint Mitch as coach then maybe he can do something but that is not what he said (according to the reports). Fact is that Mitch has left a lot of coaching positions before his time was due, now is it his fault or the teams who knows, but the fact is it did happen and as such his former employers may give prospective employers their thought on him in much the same way people will do with ordinary people like me and you if we applied for work.

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 151) : think it’s a bit rude towards cheekie to give Hoskins credit for something he did!!!!!! Give credit where it’s due!!!!!!!! :twisted:

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  • @the ko (Comment 147) : so basically you’re still a baby?!?! :twisted:

  • Comment 154, posted at 21.12.15 15:00:43 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 152) : We all know about Mitchells reputataion and Im sure full time rugby people in the know, like Wakefield and Smal even more so. Yes the reputation was there but its a plain and simple hatchett job by SARU and the GLRU, who lost their case against Mitchell – not one charge stuck, sour grapes, very,very sour.

  • Comment 155, posted at 21.12.15 15:20:33 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 153) : Hoskins sat and twiddled his thumbs, drank tea, and dreamt about attending the world cup while the Kings players were not being paid for a whole Currie Cup campaign. This Kings in Super Rugby is Hoskins baby, he should have nurtured it.

  • Comment 156, posted at 21.12.15 15:23:19 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 155) : thank you,not one charge stuck,yet the man is guilty,go figure,also a little fact ,in order for the GLRU to save face a non disclosure was put in the settlement agreement,and now they do this.a further secret is that the main accusor when requested to return to SA to give evidence,tickets paid for,didn’t and when a conferece call was organised to lead evidence in the matter he refused but hey guilty he is

  • Comment 157, posted at 21.12.15 16:36:33 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 157) : its a damn disgrace….

  • Comment 158, posted at 21.12.15 17:13:07 by grant10 Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 154) : Ok… Anyone who’s played rugby in the last 5 years is a baby… Not sure I understand the logic, but OK…

  • Comment 159, posted at 21.12.15 22:53:33 by the ko Reply

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  • Look as a Sharks fan I am EXTREMELY happy Mitchell did NOT get the Stormers job :lol:

  • Comment 160, posted at 21.12.15 23:07:54 by Gold_Must_Go Reply

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  • Now can we get Mitchell involved as a consultant at the Sharks please?

  • Comment 161, posted at 21.12.15 23:09:52 by Gold_Must_Fall Reply

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  • @the ko (Comment 159) : just teasing a bit boet!!!!!!! :twisted: wish I was still young enough to play!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 162, posted at 22.12.15 07:30:37 by JD Reply
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