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Kings try-out for Monde, Luk


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :EP Kings, Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 4 Jan 2016 at 16:35
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Sharks players Monde Hadebe and Lukhanyo Am are among a group of nine who join the Southern Kings Super rugby training squad on a trial basis this week.

With the Kings announcing an initial group of 20 players (contracted directly by SARU) late last year, furious behind-the-scenes negotiations have been ongoing to secure the services of additional players from other South African unions. It’s probably a decent bet that all of the nine on-trial players will go on to player Super Rugby for the Kings, all on a loan basis.

Hadebe has a smattering of Super Rugby caps for the Sharks, but would probably battle for game time with Kyle Cooper, Franco Marais and Chiliboy Ralepelle also in the mix in Durban. Am, who has just moved to Durban from the Border Bulldogs, would no doubt benefit far more from Super Rugby exposure with the Kings than being a little-used squad member at Kings Park.

In addition to the trial players, the Kings have signed two further players for Super Rugby – prop Jacobie Adriaanse (older brother of Sharks man Lourens) and lock Schalk Oelofse.

Kings squad (provisional): Jacobie Adriaanse, Schalk Oelofse, Malcolm Jaer, Siyanda Grey, JP du Plessis, Stefan Watermeyer, Elgar Watts, Louis Fouche, Shane Gates, James Hall, Kevin Luiters, Aidon Davis, Sipato Junior Pokomela, Cyril-John Velleman, Stefan Willemse, Thembelani Bholi, Cornell Hess, Steven Sykes, Tyler Paul, Schalk Ferreira, Tom Botha, Edgar Marutlulle.
On trial: Billy Dutton, Onke Dubase, Mihlali Mpafi, Michael Makase, Ntando Kebe, Leighton Eksteen, Luzuko Vulindlu, Monde Hadebe, Lukhanyo Am.



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  • Monde going is not a big surprise really…. there’s been talk about this for a while now. Personally think it could do wonders for his career.

  • Comment 1, posted at 04.01.16 16:37:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • So we have two hookers, for the first half of super rugby and then will have a third who wouldn’t have played rugby in two years and had zero practice time with the sharks….. Great.

  • Comment 2, posted at 04.01.16 16:42:20 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 2) :

    Doesn’t seem ideal.

    Do we have any backup for these guys? Will it have to be an age group player?

  • Comment 3, posted at 04.01.16 16:54:56 by Letgo Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 1) : ja will be great for him!!!

  • Comment 4, posted at 04.01.16 16:58:15 by JD Reply
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  • Happy new year everyone. :grin:

    In the case of both these Sharks players, the decision benefits both the players individually, as Rob has pointed out, but also benefits SA Rugby. All this with most likely little loss to the Sharks. It seems like an intelligent and forward thinking decision by the Sharks. Good start to 2016!

  • Comment 5, posted at 04.01.16 17:44:55 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 3) : Coenie for 3rd choice hooker. ;-) :mrgreen: :razz: :twisted:

  • Comment 6, posted at 04.01.16 17:46:39 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 5) : ja must agree gives him Super rugby game time without losing him.

  • Comment 7, posted at 04.01.16 17:49:49 by JD Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 6) : Thomas to play 1st choice loosehead and beast at hooker

  • Comment 8, posted at 04.01.16 23:13:24 by the ko Reply

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  • @the ko (Comment 8) : Can’t see that happening but would make one strong scrum!!!!

  • Comment 9, posted at 05.01.16 00:16:42 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 1) : Agreed…

  • Comment 10, posted at 05.01.16 08:18:36 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Have yet to see anyone explain how we can go half the season with two hookers?

  • Comment 11, posted at 05.01.16 10:38:37 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 11) : Assuming Hadebe is actually taken up by the Kings i think they will use the u21 guys as the 3rd choice until our druggie can play.

  • Comment 12, posted at 05.01.16 10:58:58 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 11) : sure we’ll make a plan. I’d like to see Chris de Beer get a run

  • Comment 13, posted at 05.01.16 11:02:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 13) : I also think the prop Engelbrecht (trying to recall if thats his name) can also play hooker

  • Comment 14, posted at 05.01.16 11:08:14 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 14) : I think Pastorshark reported on Gerhard Engelbrecht filling in at hooker in last year’s warm-up game and not looking too shabby.

  • Comment 15, posted at 05.01.16 11:15:26 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 15) : Yeh he was a lastminute.com fill in as one of the hookers went down- he was meant to play prop. But yeh he actually did really well. And to be fair to the guy- he isnt the greatest prop so maybe the switch isnt the worst thing

  • Comment 16, posted at 05.01.16 11:27:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 11) : Given the fact that we’ll obviously get to the knock outs and win this thing it’s really more like quarter of the season… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 17, posted at 05.01.16 11:49:06 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 15) : @SheldonK (Comment 16) : When he came on at hooker we seriously gave the Lions scrum a shunt and a half!! He didn’t really get to throw in at lineout time, so couldn’t judge him on that…but he can’t really be worse than all our hookers last season!!

  • Comment 18, posted at 05.01.16 11:52:21 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 13) : I also wouldn’t mind seeing de Beer get a shot…

  • Comment 19, posted at 05.01.16 11:52:57 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 16) : I’d be very concerned about his mobility at hooker. Very concerned.

  • Comment 20, posted at 05.01.16 12:52:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 18) : Dancing Bear will probably appear in a minute to shoot this theory down, but do modern hookers really still hook? I would imagine a front row comprising three props with the middle one able to get his right foot into roughly the right position would probably work well enough at scrum time.

    Hooking in the scrum is possibly the least important of a hooker’s many duties in the modern game. How is Gerhard at throwing in, fetching, ball carrying, tackling, etc?

  • Comment 21, posted at 05.01.16 12:54:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) : Pretty much agreed. I can’t remember him throwing in at all…if there was a lineout feed for him in the time he was on the park in that game then it must have been uneventful. I’m definitely not punting him at hooker…you’re right, his mobility would be a concern…he could fulfil a role if needed? It was definitely fun to see our scrum take apart the Lions when he was on at hooker though…

  • Comment 22, posted at 05.01.16 14:46:11 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Happy new year [email protected]robdylan (Comment 21) : think coenie ticks the scrumming,fetching,mobility boxes.line-out throwing?
    sharks are a bit low on options at tighthead though.perhaps look at a loosehead prop to be converted into a hooker?someone like dale chadwick?
    imo the idea of coenie at hooker could work -if his line-out throwing is up to the required standard.

  • Comment 23, posted at 05.01.16 14:59:13 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 23) : Luckily the throwing stats set by the hookers last season set quite a low target for anyone looking to convert to hooker… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 24, posted at 05.01.16 15:04:52 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 24) : ouch :D !! hope both kyle cooper and franco marais will be better in 2016.

  • Comment 25, posted at 05.01.16 15:07:28 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : If the guy can hit jumpers in the lineout and scrum im not too concerned about him getting around the park…he is fairly mobile as a prop already. @robdylan (Comment 21) : With the change in scrum laws the hooker being able to hook will be vital. For me a hooker’s ability to throw in the lineout and scrum greatly outweighs his ability to try be a loose forward.

  • Comment 26, posted at 05.01.16 15:08:49 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 25) : Me too…last season’s throwing was just pathetic…

  • Comment 27, posted at 05.01.16 15:08:53 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 27) : We should have rather opted for our wingers to throw in like the old days

  • Comment 28, posted at 05.01.16 15:15:50 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 28) : :mrgreen: Hear, hear…

  • Comment 29, posted at 05.01.16 15:45:22 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 29) : How to cause some disruption in the opposition ranks..haha

  • Comment 30, posted at 05.01.16 15:49:44 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) : Hookers have not “hooked” the ball in many years, this changed just a bit the past two years as some refs did enforce straight put-ins to the scrum. We saw the Sharks destroy the Highlanders scrum in the playoffs in 2014 by waiting until the Hooker lifted his foot to strike at the ball and timed our shove perfectly. Now that being said, hooking the ball in the scrum is a tiny part of the Hooker’s job, especially nowadays. Argentina succeeded for many years playing 3 props in the front row, and let’s face it, any scrum with John Smit was basically a 3 prop scrum as that was his initial position anyway.

    Now technique for driving in the scrum is very different for a Hooker vs either prop, so there is a transition here, a good Hooker will take an inexperienced Hooker right out of the scrums and leaving the opposition to 7 men to push. Obviously throws to the lineout and driving techniques in the scrum are the biggest differences in my opinion, and can be fairly easily overcome. Generally teams do look for more mobility from their Hookers than their Props, something to think about.

    So no, not debunking your theory at all….

  • Comment 31, posted at 05.01.16 15:52:12 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 31) : And your take on the new scrum laws and how you think it will change the role of the front rowers, especially hooker?

  • Comment 32, posted at 05.01.16 16:00:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 32) : Striking at the ball is probably the easiest thing for a Hooker to learn to do. Scrumming technique and driving is, in my opinion, the most difficult to learn, there are all kinds of tricks of the trade. When I played and straight put ins were enforced, it was just a matter of timing between scrumhalf and hooker on the strike. Sure there are techniques to strike against the head, but again, such a small part of the game, how many tightheads happen in a game?

  • Comment 33, posted at 05.01.16 16:07:08 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 33) : I think with the new scrum changes we could see more tightheads if hookers are skillful. With the high pace of modern rugby there are more knock ons so winning your own scrum ball becomes vital. The ‘new scrum’ will be more a wrestle than just an big impact from a heavy pack. The Arg technique of trying to just walk over the ball could cause them issues if up against a skilled hooker and decent props

  • Comment 34, posted at 05.01.16 16:13:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 34) : hang on, which new scrum changes? Am I falling behind again?

  • Comment 35, posted at 05.01.16 16:45:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • Great opportunity for monde! Hope he makes the final squad just wish mzamo majola was sent there as well they could have built a great partnership for us

  • Comment 36, posted at 05.01.16 17:00:55 by Poisy Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 35) : I’m not sure if there’s any changes only know of a trial on new laws that will take place but not in Super rugby.

  • Comment 37, posted at 05.01.16 17:54:01 by JD Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 36) : yes,majola and/or potgieter at loosehead.even one or both of khaya majola and francois kleynhans amongst the loosies?

  • Comment 38, posted at 05.01.16 17:58:35 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 38) : we can only wish, but thought khaya was injured?

  • Comment 39, posted at 05.01.16 18:27:01 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 36) : They still can…I see this as a chance for development with more game time than he’d get with us…let’s see how this develops…

  • Comment 40, posted at 05.01.16 18:28:14 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 34) : I also wonder what changes you refer to that will have such a dramatic effect on the scrum.

  • Comment 41, posted at 06.01.16 01:56:35 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 41) : there’s new laws that will be on trail during 2016. These will however not effect Super rugby.

  • Comment 42, posted at 06.01.16 05:42:31 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 35) : @Dancing Bear (Comment 41) : @JD (Comment 42) : The last i heard was that the new laws would affect the Southern Hemisphere comps from 1 Jan and Northern Hemisphere from 1 June. In terms of the scrum im still trying to get clarification froma ref but it seems as though the scrum call has been shortened. So crouch and bind will be 1 call and the packs will come together and only once stable will the ref all set and then the 9 can put the ball in at his discretion but his outside shoulder cant be past the middle. So it may have little effect but it does appear as though the effect of a big ‘hit’ has been negated…so more of a wrestle. Which if the case would make it tougher for those teams that dont strike the ball but rather just try walk over it. If anyone knows more please correct me..

  • Comment 43, posted at 06.01.16 08:06:16 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 43) : Ok i seem to find some more info..seems the new scrum law is on hold. But there are a couple to be implemented. Of interest is the breakdown:
    Law 16 – Breakdown

    1. A breakdown commences when at least one player from the attacking team is on their feet and over the ball which is on the ground (tackled player, tackler plus one more). At this point the offside line is created (new definition).
    2. Only players acting as a half-back can play the ball with their hands (lift the ball out of the breakdown). They must be on their feet and on-side. They must subsequently run, pass or kick (new 16.2 – Joining a breakdown). A half-back is any one player who is not part of the breakdown and behind the hindmost foot who is in a position to play the ball emerging from the breakdown. The hindmost foot will be the offside line for half-back players.
    3. Offside line at a ruck is the back foot plus one metre. If the back foot of the hindmost player is on or behind the goal line, the offside line for the defending team is the goal line. To be policed by assistant referees (new 16.5 (a) – offside at the breakdown).
    4. All arriving players must come from an onside position (see 3 above) and can enter their side of the breakdown mid-point (no gate). Players must remain on their feet (new 16.5 (c)).
    5. No players at breakdown can have hands on the ground beyond the ball, hold onto or lean on or have knees on players on the ground. Players off their feet sealing the ball will be penalised. Arriving players encouraged to drive over or past the ball (existing 16.4).
    6. Players must not handle the ball in a breakdown once the breakdown is formed. Once the breakdown contest is formed the player must release the ball (new 16.4 – other breakdown offences).
    7. The breakdown ends when the ball emerges or the ball is picked up (new 16.6 – successful end to a breakdown).

  • Comment 44, posted at 06.01.16 08:09:41 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 44) : think the new scrum law you’re talking about will be on trail.

  • Comment 45, posted at 06.01.16 08:40:03 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 45) : Its strange the article i found regarding the new scrum laws seems to have been edited with that part on the scrum and the scoring being taken out

  • Comment 46, posted at 06.01.16 09:08:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 46) : I downloaded them from “sport24″.
    Think the changes you referring to is part of the 2016 trail laws that include the new 5m dropout, etc. These laws will only be trail in some lower competitions to see if it works before being implemented in 2017/18.

  • Comment 47, posted at 06.01.16 09:22:24 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 47) : Yeh it seems the only law changes to super rugby involve the Breakdown, Maul and Tackle

  • Comment 48, posted at 06.01.16 09:39:17 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 39) : nah, he’s back training again.

  • Comment 49, posted at 06.01.16 10:29:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 48) : oh wow, so there are new laws affecting Super Rugby? Damn, I need to do some homework.

  • Comment 50, posted at 06.01.16 10:30:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 50) : Dont worry Rob..im sure by week 50 of super rugby we will be fully versed in the new rules ;)

  • Comment 51, posted at 06.01.16 10:34:08 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 49) : the sharks back at training?

  • Comment 52, posted at 06.01.16 10:45:06 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 51) : That early huh? You’re ever the optimist :mrgreen:

  • Comment 53, posted at 06.01.16 10:45:28 by vanmartin Reply
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  • According to SANZAR’s spokesman, Alistair Hogg, all that applies in Super Rugby this year will be “Several minor technical amendments that will be explained by Lyndon Bray at Ref Camp later this month.”

  • Comment 54, posted at 06.01.16 10:46:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 54) : Is that the same as the ‘minor increase in teams’ in the comp from super 12? ;)

  • Comment 55, posted at 06.01.16 10:52:54 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 55) : haha, LOL :)

  • Comment 56, posted at 06.01.16 11:28:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • Francois Kleinhans would make a brilliant hooker. Don’t know why he was never considered there. Flank in SA with his attributes will be very difficult. The hooker depth though is a different story. Is it too late to convert him?

  • Comment 57, posted at 06.01.16 12:43:22 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 57) : That is very interesting…and now thinking about im sure you are right. I think why he was never tried there is that there were good hookers in the teams he played in and he was also a good flank in those teams. In terms of its too late- it depends on his buy in and sharks willingness to invest long term in him there

  • Comment 58, posted at 06.01.16 12:49:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 58) : @GreatSharksays (Comment 57) :sounds like a good idea .

  • Comment 59, posted at 06.01.16 13:12:25 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • trying to find some news for you guys today…. and failing bloody miserably

  • Comment 60, posted at 06.01.16 14:20:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 60) : it’s ok boet we know there’s not a whole lot of news during this time of the year.
    We can always talk about cricket?!?!?!

  • Comment 61, posted at 06.01.16 15:04:02 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 61) : Or Star Wars?

  • Comment 62, posted at 06.01.16 15:16:32 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 61) : Great fight back in the cricket, by the way. Even gave the Poms an almighty fright today! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 63, posted at 06.01.16 15:17:20 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 63) : yes must say they did show some character.

  • Comment 64, posted at 06.01.16 15:22:45 by JD Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 62) : or Star Wars….

  • Comment 65, posted at 06.01.16 15:36:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 62) : @robdylan (Comment 65) : really are we going there?!?!?!

  • Comment 66, posted at 06.01.16 15:41:41 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 66) : don’t you wanna?

  • Comment 67, posted at 06.01.16 15:57:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 67) : no not even close!!!!!

  • Comment 68, posted at 06.01.16 17:27:06 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 65) : Believe it or not…I only watched it with my son today! It was released on his 13th birthday and I promised him it would be part of his birthday present…but at the time we were on a youth camp, then it was the very busy Christmas time for me. Now we’re finally on holiday and we had the chance to go today. We were both impressed!

  • Comment 69, posted at 06.01.16 17:42:15 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 69) : also watched it with my son – on Christmas Eve. LOVED it.

    Just realised it does actually sort of pertain to this article. “Use the Force, Luk” :)

  • Comment 70, posted at 06.01.16 18:21:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 70) : don’t think the force is strong in him!!!
    In the words of Yoda: “rugby leave he must”

  • Comment 71, posted at 06.01.16 22:34:24 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 71) : I was talking about “our” Luk, hence leaving of the “e”. Lukhanyo Am….

  • Comment 72, posted at 07.01.16 10:21:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 69) : @robdylan (Comment 70) : I went in with very low expectations but ended up thoroughly enjoying it. There were so many things to pick apart and dislike in episode I – III. The Force Awakens just felt far easier to get on board with.

  • Comment 73, posted at 07.01.16 12:23:23 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 73) : at the risk of turning myself into a pariah, I felt that despite the self-inflicted continuity issues, the prequels were better than the original trilogy (visually, in any event). So hard to watch IV-VI and not cringe at how bad they look

  • Comment 74, posted at 07.01.16 12:32:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 73) : Ah yes the force of the Disney company runs deep in you,they are clever people but materialism and the endless sequel are the essence of that company.
    George Lucas is/was a true pioneer and a visionary,he created a religion,but he sold it to a company who answer to the stock exchange,there’ll be no more edginess and dark intrigue but lots of wholesome american fun.
    Star Wars is no longer for adults but for the under 10′s and will tick every P.C box.

  • Comment 75, posted at 07.01.16 12:40:02 by The hound Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 74) : The continuity issues I can ignore, those creep into all large franchises. I file it under ‘there no entirely accurate rendition of events in real life so it’s okay for fiction too’. In my case I felt the visuals (CGI specifically) went a little over the top. There’s a threshold beyond which it gets distracting. Same reason I can’t get into Transformers.

    @The hound (Comment 75) : I enjoy some of Disney’s output, I’ll happily admit to that. If it was meant as a jab, try again. In regards to George Lucas, like every other human he’s had hits and misses. He was responsible for the prequels which were certainly far less edgy and dark compared to the original trilogy. Finally, Star Wars was never meant for adults. Lucas himself has gone on record to state that: “The movies are for children but they don’t want to admit that.”

  • Comment 76, posted at 07.01.16 13:27:56 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 76) : agree with you when it comes to Transfomers. Too much noise, too much action that’s too fast to be able to enjoy comfortably.

    But c’mon, I watched the first part of Return of the Jedi again last night. The scene in Jabba’s place with all the stupid puppets is just too much.

  • Comment 77, posted at 07.01.16 13:44:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 77) : If the story or characters are compelling enough I don’t find things like that too jarring. It sorts of fades into the background. Or maybe my brain convinces me that their are alien races that look and move exactly like puppets? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 78, posted at 07.01.16 14:11:03 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 76) : @robdylan (Comment 77) : Having to witness Hayden Christensen’s attempts at acting renders episodes I – III completely unwatchable, in my opinion. That and Jar Jar Binks

  • Comment 79, posted at 07.01.16 14:12:48 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 79) : I suspect I could have stomached Jar Jar if they went with a different character design (I can live with the silly accent) but Anakin ‘emo’ Skywalker in episode II and III was not my cup of tea. Hoping Kylo Ren has his helmet firmly fused to his body in a lightsabre accident in the following movies to avoid a similar situation.

  • Comment 80, posted at 07.01.16 14:28:54 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I saw the first Star Wars in its first week in the original Cinerama in Jhb,one of,if not the first surround sound movies,those corn ball over head scrolling titles were just so ahead of their time,in fact the entire production was.It was the first movie that used all the movie tools at the same time. George Lucas made that movie for only one person himself.No body else had the film vision he had at the time,not Spielberg,Coppola or even Stanley Kubrick and Robert Altman had his suss.
    I find it quite tragic that more people will watch this new movie on computer screens and T.V sets,but hey thats just my opinion.

  • Comment 81, posted at 07.01.16 14:35:19 by The hound Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 79) : well, Hayden wasn’t in episode I, but the kid (Jake something?) was almost as bad.

  • Comment 82, posted at 07.01.16 17:16:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 80) : Kylo is not really doing much for me, must be honest. Looks too much like his grandfather, for one thing (should have made his appearance more distinctive). My son went through the entire movie calling him Darth Vader, so clearly the subtlety was lost on him. Agree he’s a bit EMO, but nowhere enar as bad as Hayden (yet). And thankfully.

  • Comment 83, posted at 07.01.16 17:18:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 72) : OK I was talking about the other one!!!!

  • Comment 84, posted at 07.01.16 18:32:19 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 84) : I know, You didn’t hide it well

  • Comment 85, posted at 07.01.16 18:36:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 77) : @vanmartin (Comment 80) : @The hound (Comment 81) : you lot do know Star Trek is way better!!!!

  • Comment 86, posted at 07.01.16 18:36:31 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 85) : did not try!!! Hahaha!!!!! ;-P

  • Comment 87, posted at 07.01.16 18:37:19 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 86) : Now there’s a can of worms :)

  • Comment 88, posted at 07.01.16 19:20:15 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 83) : Agreed, there’s hope for him to turn into a proper bad guy yet.

  • Comment 89, posted at 07.01.16 19:22:37 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 88) : just saying Spock rules dude!!!!!

  • Comment 90, posted at 07.01.16 23:40:16 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 86) : @vanmartin (Comment 88) : Of course, that debate becomes a bit of a moot point when you add the infinitely superior Lord of the Rings trilogy to the discussion…

  • Comment 91, posted at 08.01.16 08:06:02 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 91) : True, until you come across a fairly obscure series called the Malazan Book of the Fallen which blows everything else you’ve ever read right out the water :cool:

  • Comment 92, posted at 08.01.16 09:04:14 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 92) : Apples with apples,pears with pears,but in any argument against any parameters,and in any medium unfortunately, G.O.T. Rules

  • Comment 93, posted at 08.01.16 10:50:39 by The hound Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 13) : As would I obviously, just not the biggest fan of the whole throwing young guys into the Super Rugby ‘deep end’ style of team management.

  • Comment 94, posted at 08.01.16 11:54:38 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 93) : I’m a fan of ASoIaF but the wait between books is slowly eroding my initial enthusiasm for the series. I’m starting to find it tiresome to keep doing rereads between the releases of novels to try and remember who’s who. I’ve never really cared for the TV shows though, not because I’m against adaptations of books or a purist but rather because I found the episodes rather boring. They must have got the formula right though because everyone else seems to be enjoying HBO’s take on it.

  • Comment 95, posted at 08.01.16 12:01:11 by vanmartin Reply
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  • So the farce continues,new players trying out while players where booted and still not paid or recontracted,what a disgrace

  • Comment 96, posted at 08.01.16 12:20:58 by benji Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 92) : I was comparing the Lord of the Rings movies to Star Wars and Star Trek. The amount of books better that LotR is far too many to mention, and I’m a BIG LotR fan.

  • Comment 97, posted at 08.01.16 12:26:45 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 97) : We should compare notes at some point. Always on the hunt for recommendations.

  • Comment 98, posted at 08.01.16 12:32:38 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 95) : “: I’m a fan of ASoIaF but the wait between books is slowly eroding my initial enthusiasm for the series”

    Yes, this. I’m not one of those infinitely patient fans. I want George to write the remaining 2000 pages (or whatever) and just be done with it. And I have read all 5 twice. Cannot face another reread.

  • Comment 99, posted at 08.01.16 12:36:49 by robdylan Reply
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