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Sharks second row looking reasonable


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 14 Jan 2016 at 11:19
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Now, you guys remember that I’m not allowing myself to get ahead of myself in 2016, right? Rebuilding year and all that, this is the year of realistic expectations in Super Rugby and the very beginning of the process of building a new team after the horror show that was 2015…. still, you’ll allow me to point out one rather positive aspect ahead of the new campaign, won’t you?

I read an article a few days ago about how the Bulls were looking very thin at lock. I scoffed, of course, because how could the Bulls, of all teams, ever even consider the prospect of a second row shortage, given the absolute plethora of towering young locks on their books? I read the article anyway and it struck me that the writer actually did have a point. While RG Snyman, Jason Jenkins, Nico Janse van Rensburg and the others are all quality players, the reality is they are all still very young and there’s nary a hint of Super Rugby experience between them. Grant Hattingh, barely more than a journeyman, is now the most experienced lock in the Bulls setup after the likes of Paul Willemse, Victor Matfield, Jacques du Plessis, Flip van der Merwe and countless others I’m forgetting have opted to move on.

If I were a Bulls fan, I’d hardly be pulling my hair out, of course. Jenkins and Snyman, in particular, look like the next Botha/Matfield combo and I’m sure they’ll come through in time. Still, it’s a tough ask for a pair of 20-year-old locks to step up and dominate physically in Super Rugby.

When it comes to locks, the Stormers look like the best-equipped franchise (at least in terms of a first choice combination), provided they can keep Eben Etzebeth and Pieter-Steph du Toit fit and together. There are good backup options in the likes of Jean Kleyn, Jurie van Vuuren and Rynhardt Elstadt too, so I’d expect that even without one or both of their oft-injured Bok locks, the men from the Cape will look pretty good. The Cheetahs have Lood de Jager, who is worth two regular locks anyway, along with journeymen and youngsters, while the Lions look to have some injury problems to contend with. Johan Ackermann looks to be without Martin Muller for at least part of the season, with Franco Mostert about the only “seasoned” player alongside a bunch of talented youngsters.

What of the Sharks, then? Well, amazingly enough, their second-row cupboard now seems one of the better-stocked ones, with Ruan Botha, Stephan Lewies, Giant Mtayanda, Etienne Oosthuizen and Dave McDuling all boasting a reasonable amount of Super Rugby experience. None of those five can be considered “raw” any more either and one would expect that they’ve all matured physically to the extent that they can dominate opposition at Super Rugby level, something that the younger locks will still have to learn. The likes of Jacques Potgieter and Jean Deysel add utility value as stand-in options at 4 as well, leaving the Sharks in the fortunate position of being able to play their own youngsters – the talented-but-raw Hyron Andrews, Jean Droste, Johan du Toit and Christiaan de Bruin – in the Currie Cup qualifying competition, rather than in Super Rugby.

That’s a better position to be in than the one the Bulls are facing, in any event.



83 Comments

  • The Doops can lock too if they really run thin…

  • Comment 1, posted at 14.01.16 11:26:19 by Grasshopper Reply
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  • As The Hound will point out, don’t forget the du Preez bros. ;)

  • Comment 2, posted at 14.01.16 11:28:15 by Seth101 Reply
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  • What about that Namibian lock who was playing in France that we were looking at (just cant remember his name right now), any word on whats happening there ?

  • Comment 3, posted at 14.01.16 11:39:08 by SharkED Reply

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  • I wouldnt mind seeing a 4/5 combo of Ruan Botha and Stephan Lewies with Giant on the bench. They could be backed up by a loose trio of Coetzee, Potgieter, Van Der Walt with the Dupreez boys covering the bench. Im really interested to see which youngsters step up this year…and by youngsters i mean anyone under 25

  • Comment 4, posted at 14.01.16 11:40:26 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Question time.. experience is one thing. Ps du Toit hardly ever played but the quality shown by him makes him a world class player. No hard feelings to Wentzel but he had years of experience but never made a real impact. Key is to identify real talent.. and they will need little game time to produce the goods. something the Bulls get right at lock. Sharks has struggled for a very long time now to get and keep good locks

  • Comment 5, posted at 14.01.16 11:42:10 by ebenp Reply

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  • @SharkED (Comment 3) : he’s apparently picked up an injury, so just waiting to figure out what the deal is there.

  • Comment 6, posted at 14.01.16 11:43:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @ebenp (Comment 5) : Talent definitely trumps just pure experience. However, the talent still needs to be pointed in the right direction and make the correct on field decisions, especially in the tight exchanges. Quality players will adapt quicker than mediocre ones so i feel that the quality youngsters at the Bulls will adapt quickly provided they are pointed in the right direction

  • Comment 7, posted at 14.01.16 11:50:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 4) : There is no ‘fetcher’ in that trio or on the bench, Franna should be the fetcher..

  • Comment 8, posted at 14.01.16 12:07:13 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • @Grasshopper (Comment 8) : Coetzee has been playing to the ball the last year or so. Franna is a decent player but i cant see him getting any look in. He blew hot and cold in the CC. Would be nice to see a glenwood boy in the side but its more likely to be Kyle Cooper than Franna

  • Comment 9, posted at 14.01.16 12:16:57 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Grasshopper (Comment 8) : picks Kleinhans ahead of Bok number 6 Coetzee….

  • Comment 10, posted at 14.01.16 12:17:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Grasshopper (Comment 8) : Although Coetzee is not an out and out fetcher,he is more than adequate for the role. You definitely need him in the starting 15!

  • Comment 11, posted at 14.01.16 12:17:23 by HeinF Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 11) : The question you need to prob ask is: Will Kleinhans’ fetching ability or Coetzee’s general play have a greater influence on the game??

  • Comment 12, posted at 14.01.16 12:20:47 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) : Nope, just saying as a player on the bench. Thought he had a decent CC.

  • Comment 13, posted at 14.01.16 12:22:02 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) : For you, should we pick Chiliboy as starting hooker?

  • Comment 14, posted at 14.01.16 12:23:07 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • @Grasshopper (Comment 13) : HE did show some improvement and has reduced his very high penalty count. Still tends to lose the ball in contact a bit though. Think he will really need to impress at training to get a bench spot

  • Comment 15, posted at 14.01.16 12:28:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Grasshopper (Comment 13) : he had a very good CC, but Marcell is in a different class

  • Comment 16, posted at 14.01.16 12:35:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Grasshopper (Comment 14) : dude, this is like me saying Simon Kerrod should start at tighthead ahead of Jannie du Plessis :) At least Chili is a Bok.

  • Comment 17, posted at 14.01.16 12:36:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 17) : Wasnt Chili’s last Bok game that midweek game against Leceister when our front row all got shown what their rear ends look like?

  • Comment 18, posted at 14.01.16 12:45:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 17) : A lucky Bok that is for sure, Schalk and Craig were better than him and not picked. Anyway, my point his Franna put up his hand last year.

  • Comment 19, posted at 14.01.16 12:46:22 by Grasshopper Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 6) : Thanks Rob

  • Comment 20, posted at 14.01.16 12:50:23 by SharkED Reply

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  • @SharkED (Comment 20) : apparently he’s going to be with us. Just getting his work visa sorted out. Got that from GG this morning.

  • Comment 21, posted at 14.01.16 13:07:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) : Some good news that. Hopefully can sort the visa out and he can replicate that RWC form

  • Comment 22, posted at 14.01.16 13:12:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 12) : Do we really need to ask the question,or is it just rethorical? ;) For me,Coetzee is a must in the team, he just never stops playing or slows down,not a player that you need to substitute under normal circumstances

  • Comment 23, posted at 14.01.16 13:13:11 by HeinF Reply

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  • 5.botha 5/4.lewies 4.mtyanda 5?/4.uanivi 4.potgieter 4.oosthuizen 4.mcduling 4.du preez twins.

  • Comment 24, posted at 14.01.16 13:18:05 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 23) : U more than welcome to ask yourself the question ;) I just think sometimes a players 1 attribute is highlighted too much and we place too much emphasis on it as opposed to a players allr ound game and contribution. So as an example..if a hooker wins a few turnovers it is felt that he is a neccessity…even if his lineout throws hit the scrumhalf

  • Comment 25, posted at 14.01.16 13:23:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) : Awesome, another welcome addition to our lock stocks :grin:

  • Comment 26, posted at 14.01.16 13:31:37 by SharkED Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 23) : I like the fact that willie has signed for the sharks..and I read a lot of talk re: getting lood to join the sharks..but what about boom prinsloo?yes,I know we have a lot of loosies,but imagine him and marcelle in the same team on at the same time?

  • Comment 27, posted at 14.01.16 13:36:07 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 25) : That is true. How many semi’s and finals have been lost because of lineouts? If a hooker can fetch,it’s a nice bonus,but his primary job is finding his jumpers,scrumming and making some good tackles!

  • Comment 28, posted at 14.01.16 13:46:41 by HeinF Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 27) : I have been a fan of Boom for the last few years,but for me he is more similar to Potgieter (maybe better hands though) as a loosie,although I could be wrong ;) Boom would be a nice to have, but I am looking forward to seeing what Potgieter brings to the table,instead of having another quality loosie to sit on the bench or not even playing. That is what I hate most of the bulls,the fact that they buy everyone and so many players get lost as they get no game time

  • Comment 29, posted at 14.01.16 13:51:26 by HeinF Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 28) : I def agree. Like i said i think sometimes a players 1 attribute is highlighted so much that it detracts from unbiased review of his overall game and when comparing to others.

  • Comment 30, posted at 14.01.16 13:55:49 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 29) : Boom shines in a team of average loosies but could very well not gel with a team of better personnel as he tries to do everything. Its a possible reason why a guy like Whitely hasnt really shone with the Boks. He does well in a Lions team where he is needed/allowed to do everything everywhere but in a Bok side where he is given a specific defined role he doesnt stand out as much as he does in the Lions shirt…

  • Comment 31, posted at 14.01.16 13:58:49 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Must say I think Sharks looks good only because the rest is really poor. Let’s hope the guys can prove me wrong but only Botha and Lewies is really top quality and could be possible Bokke.

  • Comment 32, posted at 14.01.16 14:23:31 by JD Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 29) : boom had impressive tackle stats for 2015 sr.and still had time to score 8 tries.not saying the sharks should go out and buy him now,but would have been a nice replacement when keegan left.

  • Comment 33, posted at 14.01.16 14:26:46 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 29) : And has she got you doing the dishes yet?
    I hope everything went off perfectly.

  • Comment 34, posted at 14.01.16 15:11:00 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 31) : Interesting, never thought of it like that. Our second row is not looking bad, but our loose forwards are probably where we are strongest at. Have a nice mix of experience and young talent, so a player will really have to stand out to make sure a position stays his. All the competition can only be good for the team!

  • Comment 35, posted at 14.01.16 16:14:11 by HeinF Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 33) : Yep, 2 years ago would have been a good time to have Boom, even beginning of last year when we had a few injuries. Deysel showed up, only to be suspended!

  • Comment 36, posted at 14.01.16 16:16:59 by HeinF Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 34) : Lol, today was actually one of the first times I had to do the dishes in a while, but hey, SR starts in a few weeks, so need to start earning those brownie points again! Everything went great, thanks for asking! Went by so fast, only time I was really worried was when there was no power, only went on less than an hour before the ceremony started,,,thank you Eskom ;)

  • Comment 37, posted at 14.01.16 16:20:12 by HeinF Reply

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  • Oh wow, Gold already complaining and making excuses about hard and unfair this format is. What are the players meant to think? Doubt you’d hear such sh!t from a coach like Eddie Jones, John Mitchell, Jake White etc… Just shut up and adequately prepare for the season like a professional that knows that they are doing.

  • Comment 38, posted at 14.01.16 17:56:03 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 36) : ja must agree Sharks has some talented loose forwards available with some exciting youngsters!!!
    For me the lack of at least one high quality hooker and tight head prop is very concerning!!!!

  • Comment 39, posted at 14.01.16 18:11:50 by JD Reply
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  • Cheetahs have done well with limited resources at lock in seasons past. our problem the past two seasons have been in the front row. At line out time, the Cheetahs have effectively used Uys as a hybrid type lock.

    Heading into this season we have Lood, with Carl Wegner who is by no means a journeyman. He has cut his teeth in the French League, and the injury he suffered was horrific. If he can bounce back from that we are well served. Lood can easily shift to 4, and Wegner play 5. Dennis Visser can be groomed, and there is seasoned players in Boela Serfontein, and Francois Uys. Cheetahs also use their flankers effectively as jumpers. Here Mohoje has been good, and Paul Schoeman can be too.. Willie Britz is good at the back.

  • Comment 40, posted at 14.01.16 18:17:55 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 38) : can you post a link,please.

  • Comment 41, posted at 14.01.16 18:23:27 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 38) : ja you won’t because non of them’s coaching a Super rugby team with this shit new format!!!!!

  • Comment 42, posted at 14.01.16 18:26:18 by JD Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 40) : ja not bad but must say it’s a lot like the Sharks, one or two quality players but altgough the backup is ok they’re not spectacular!!!!

  • Comment 43, posted at 14.01.16 18:30:03 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 43) : Agreed. I don’t know what form Dennis Viiser is in, but he certainly has potential. I see franco has released him to the Shimlas, so maybe he needs game time. I think he was also out injured.

  • Comment 44, posted at 14.01.16 18:40:12 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 44) : must say I’m a little worried about the depth in some positions not only at the Sharks but in SA as a whole!!! My biggest concern is at hooker, tight head prop, scrum half and outside centre.

  • Comment 45, posted at 14.01.16 19:01:53 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 45) : Agreed. Considering the mass exodus of players we experienced after the WC. That said, I think we could be ok, depending on what the requirements re POC is going to be. Enough talent, but yes experience is going to be a huge problem.

    Hooker is defo a concern. Outside strauss, we have only promising youngsters like Malcolm Marx, Cooper, and other up and coming youngsters. Tight head we should be ok, with Malherbe, and Koch. Think Koch can still make the step up. If Coenie and Thomas can make the grade problem solved. Scrum half a big concern, but talent aplenty. Piet van Zyl, Reinach and a whole host of up and coming players, but experience a big void.

  • Comment 46, posted at 14.01.16 19:38:56 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 41) : INTERVIEW: SHARKS DIRECTOR OF RUGBY GARY GOLD BELIEVES THE NEW SUPER RUGBY FORMAT DOES NOT PROVIDE A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD FOR ALL 18 TEAMS.

    The Durban-based team were drawn in the Africa Two Conference, which will see them play all the New Zealand and not the Australian teams in the league phase. 

    Considering the strength of the New Zealand teams last season, the Sharks could be in for a tough time.

    “The only thing I will say about it is that when you play sports at the highest level, all you really want is a level playing field and this competition does not provide you with that,” said Gold 

    “It is a little bit absurd, but in saying that it is what it is and there are some exciting things.”

    The Sharks will also face a tough travelling schedule midway through the competition which will see them travel to New Zealand to face the Blues, Highlanders and Chiefs before returning to Durban to face to face the Hurricanes. They will then get on the plane again to go to Argentina to face the Jaguares. They will also not have a bye between those five tough matches.

    “I don’t think you understand the toll it has on the bodies when you fly east to west, recover from jetlag, play a game and then fly east to west again for another game. 

    “We have to plan for that and we are going to plan for that. It’s a big challenge, but next year will be a different kettle of fish. 

    “Next year we will play the Australian group and we will have eight games at home and seven games away – next year we will be sitting where the other guys are,” Gold added.

    Gold believes the Argentinians have enough firepower to challenge for the title this year.

    “The Japanese team is going to be slightly different because it is not going to be their full national team,” said Gold.

    “The Argentinian team I think will have about 12 guys who played in the World Cup. They are going to be ferocious. That is going to be a proper rugby team. 

    “They are well-drilled and Augustin Creevy is a fantastic captain and they got a good coaching staff. They are going to be formidable. They are going to shock some people and I think they are going to be potential contenders.

    “I’m not sure the Sunwolves are going to be that formidable at this moment in time, only because of the lateness of the planning, but we will see how the competition progress.”

    The Sharks will begin their Super Rugby campaign against the Southern Kings in Port Elizabth on February 27.  

  • Comment 47, posted at 14.01.16 19:50:22 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 47) : Teams like the Lions are in the same pool and you are not hearing them saying it’s not fair that they are going to face teams from the NZ conference. Instead they are using that to their advantage in terms of planning style preparation. I just don’t want such news after the dismal 2015 in which Gold complained about everything. Remember before the CC he was going on and on about the long time he had to prepare the team and that all had been covered. After not making the play offs he then went to his normal excuses and said he didn’t have enough time. Nollis had even less time but was able to adequately prepare his team and even introduce a new game plan.

  • Comment 48, posted at 14.01.16 19:59:40 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 47) : thank you.

  • Comment 49, posted at 14.01.16 20:11:56 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 46) : problem is if either of them go down I can’t see anyone else available in SA that will be at international level.

  • Comment 50, posted at 14.01.16 20:32:00 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 39) : Yes,I think we really are going to miss the Dup brothers this year. The last decade we always had strong front rows and great hookers with great backup. Think lukas van biljon,john smit,bismarck,craig burden (and previously a much better Cooper). Now all of a sudden that is a area that have us all worried. Does give a chance for some of the players to put their hands up and make a name for themselves.

  • Comment 51, posted at 14.01.16 21:32:03 by HeinF Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 48) : I agree with you every time this guy opens his mouth its to winge about something,he reminds me a lot of Alistar Coetzee.
    Just shut up and get on with the job,to win the Super rugby tournament you need beat everybody,everywhere.
    Before we have even kicked a ball he’s already given up.
    Man I miss guys like Mac and Teich,Mark Andrews,guys who actually believed that the Sharks were the greatest rugby team in the world,and we were.
    We have a great team,and good leaders,I believe with Chilli boy and Thomas,Connie we have a potent front row.Marcel and Pat would start in any team in the world.
    The only downer is this second hand car salesman,masquerading as a coach.

  • Comment 52, posted at 14.01.16 21:48:24 by The hound Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 51) : yes it does just hope they step up and show they belong in Super rugby!!!!

  • Comment 53, posted at 14.01.16 21:49:08 by JD Reply
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  • Gold has been given the best team we have had in a long time,we are strong every where,we have depth,in most positions.
    Most important we have lost the bad attitude rotten core who has crippled the team moral and discipline in the past few years.
    What we need now is to believe in our selves and our chances.
    The All Blacks are the best because the All Blacks believe they are the best.There is absolutely no doubts in their minds that they are the best.
    Gold’s sole job in my my mind is to convince the Sharks that they are as well.If he can’t do it and doesn’t believe it ,he should find a used car lot,and move aside for some one who has respect for one of the best jobs in sport.

  • Comment 54, posted at 14.01.16 22:01:19 by The hound Reply
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  • YOU all bitch about the format of this competition, then Gold bitches about the format of the competition…Then YOU bitch about Gold bitching about the competition!!!!!! :shock: So when YOU say it, it’s obvious truth and fact and when Gold says it, it is unprofessional and excuses?!?!?! :???:

  • Comment 55, posted at 15.01.16 08:19:55 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @Southern_Shark (Comment 55) : Crap argument,I pay my own money to watch the competition,I have a right to bitch about it.Gold is paid win the competition,its his job,he has no rights to bitch about it

  • Comment 56, posted at 15.01.16 08:31:56 by The hound Reply
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  • You just stated why he has every right to bitch about it.

  • Comment 57, posted at 15.01.16 08:43:14 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @Southern_Shark (Comment 57) : There used to be an expression. piss or get off the pot

  • Comment 58, posted at 15.01.16 09:01:22 by The hound Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 47) : I have no problem with Gold simply pointing out the obvious. Our discontent will not be heard so it’s not a bad thing that someone directly involved in the tournament goes on record to say that things have taken a step backwards. I hope some of the other SA coaches do the exact same.

  • Comment 59, posted at 15.01.16 09:13:01 by vanmartin Reply
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  • People don’t like the format but he comes across as making excuses for why the sharks won’t be successful, the comp hasn’t even started and he says this! He just needs to shut up and get on with it actions speak louder than words, he is the coach he should believe he can do it no matter what the odds are

  • Comment 60, posted at 15.01.16 09:13:24 by Poisy Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 56) : Agree. My issue is that the other coaches that are worth their salt are knuckling down and doing the necessary preparations instead of complaining to the media at the 11th hour. He then goes on to say we will be ok next year when we only play the Aussie sides..Really…has he therefore written off this season? And the understanding John Smit will again give him a chance to prove himself next year when we only play against the Aussie sides. Gold mustn’t piss me off.

  • Comment 61, posted at 15.01.16 09:29:14 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 61) : When would be the right time for him to voice his opinion on it? Its not like he called a press conference so he could moan..he was asked during an interview so he answered. Its not like he cancelled practice because he was moaning about the comp and writing the year off. Take it for what it is…an opinion on the format. We really shouldnt read too much into a news article…

  • Comment 62, posted at 15.01.16 09:38:03 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 59) : Why must it be him? Especially since he spent 2015 making excuses at every opportunity. He finished 11th on the log last year and didn’t make the CC semi finals. He can’t be making such statements to the public. And what are the players meant to think? Gold is always out to look at external factors for his lack of success. It is never inward looking. He needs to do the professional rugby world a favour and just move to the administration part of rugby quickly.

  • Comment 63, posted at 15.01.16 09:40:27 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 62) : Why are the other coaches not complaining? Province had a coach walk out on them after a week, the Mitchell saga but you don’t read about Fleck complaining about the format. Nollis speaking about how they are planning to improve….no complaints. Why must it be him?

  • Comment 64, posted at 15.01.16 09:45:08 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 63) : If we can figure out that the new format disadvantages SA players then I’m pretty sure most of the players are smart enough to figure out on their own too. Gold’s feelings on the matter would hardly come as a surprise to them.

    ‘Professionalism’ from coaches and unions got us into this mess so professionalism be damned in this matter. I honestly hope other coaches, DoR’s, administrators and presidents follow suit and complain loudly about this too. If the rest of SANZAR label us as whingers because of it, then so be it. This format ultimately deprives the paying public of decent rugga and as southern hemisphere rugby is the only sport I can stomach week in and week out, I’d welcome positive change at just about any cost.

  • Comment 65, posted at 15.01.16 09:52:10 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 64) : All these guys are playing the Aussies… ;-)

  • Comment 66, posted at 15.01.16 09:54:55 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 65) : Preach on brother!!! :grin:

  • Comment 67, posted at 15.01.16 09:56:35 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 64) : Have the other coaches been directly asked about the format? If they were and they said they have no problem then kudos to them as we all think the comp is absurd. I did see an interview with a Brumbies player saying they dont understand the comp so just gonna take it game by game. The Sharks def dont have it easy but its not an easy comp no matter what. Im hoping to see some good play from the Sharks this year…although im sure thats what all the teams are hoping for so lets see if our improvement beats theirs.

  • Comment 68, posted at 15.01.16 10:00:00 by SheldonK Reply

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  • The Comp is shit, play better than last year.

  • Comment 69, posted at 15.01.16 10:05:48 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @Southern_Shark (Comment 55) : ja boet can’t win against some people!!!!!!!!!! :twisted:

  • Comment 70, posted at 15.01.16 10:17:37 by JD Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 63) : and then what does the players coach themselves?!?!?! Get real my friend!!!!!!!!!! He wants to move to admin side but can’t as the Sharks did not appoint a new head coach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 71, posted at 15.01.16 10:22:18 by JD Reply
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  • @Southern_Shark (Comment 55) : :lol: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 72, posted at 15.01.16 10:26:11 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • All you guys complaining about Gold’s comments please tell me what other team in SA travels to NZ/OZ plays 3 games then travels back to SA play one game, then travel to Arg. to play one game and then return to SA (again) to play. So in just over 21 days they will play 4 games on 3 Continents without playing two consecutive games on the same continent NZ – SA – Arg – SA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No this is great and the coach is totally fucked up to complain about it please fire him immediately!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 73, posted at 15.01.16 10:40:16 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 73) :
    No one is saying the format is fine but to raise this at this stage is just poor from Gold. Just pathetic. He could have said something like: the fact that we have to play all the NZ teams has given us more motivation than we had. It has pulled the team together and made things easier at training as everyone knows exactly what we are up against. We are also using this as an advantage as we can spend the bulk of our training preparing against one playing style. The plans we have put together to counter the travelling are A, B and C. This statement would have inspired much confidence from fans like me. For 2016 Sharks season, what benefit will his statement bring?? Nothing. Just shut up and be a professional Gold.

  • Comment 74, posted at 15.01.16 10:44:06 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 74) : geez boet are you for real?!?!?! You also realise that the article on rugby 365 is a summary that the writer put together? Out of everything that was said during the interview he only used what he wanted to. Anyway what he also said with regards to the traveling was : “We have to plan for that and we are going to plan for that. It’s a big challenge,” just like you asked for.

  • Comment 75, posted at 15.01.16 11:00:37 by JD Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 64) : The media decides what you read, what you don’t read and just the way they may write something could influence the way you see it. Think Gavin Rich… How often he changes his tune regarding the Boks etc. Obviously Gold has been portrayed as a softie and not a grafter, so the media work with that image

  • Comment 76, posted at 15.01.16 11:55:36 by the ko Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 74) : So now you’re fine with him making statements at press conferences? Earlier you said he should be working instead of talking to the press?

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 46) : I agree that we are fine at tighthead…and that scrumhalf is a concern. At hooker, don’t you think we will still continue with Bismarck and Strauss?

  • Comment 78, posted at 15.01.16 16:52:28 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 64) : Ummm…I’m sure somebody else must already have pointed out to you that the coaches you mention are the guys who got the easier draw this year?

  • Comment 79, posted at 15.01.16 16:59:42 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 65) : Hear, hear…

  • Comment 80, posted at 15.01.16 17:00:44 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 78) : think it’s time to get some youngsters for 2019 as both Strauss and DUP will be a bit old.

  • Comment 81, posted at 15.01.16 20:21:52 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 81) : Yeah, that’s a fair point…I reckon take one of them and play them with a young guy like Malcolm Marx. At least in terms of depth, though we don’t have much of a problem there…if one of the senior men gets injured there is another one…

  • Comment 82, posted at 15.01.16 20:31:46 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 82) : just hope the youngsters can step up as they have really big shoes to fill!!!!

  • Comment 83, posted at 15.01.16 20:35:57 by JD Reply
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