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Cloete’s now a King….. wait, what?


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :EP Kings, Original Content, Super Rugby on 19 Jan 2016 at 10:29
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So, this is the challenge you ace when reporting on “silly season” antics. Why, just yesterday I recall writing a story, based on a piece I read on Netwerk24, about how teams like the Pumas had opted against loaning out their leading players to Super Rugby franchises, lest it hamper their chances of Currie Cup Premier Division qualification.

Interestingly, today (on exactly the same site) there’s a story that new Pumas flanker Chris Cloete will be playing super Rugby for the Kings.

All I can say to that is “go figure”…..oh, and good luck Chris. What a legend.



42 Comments

  • I cant see why the Pumas would lend a new recruit to the Kings and thus not have him available for the the qualifying tournament thus hampering their chances of earning money in the CC proper…oh wait i have a reason- someone paid some money. Everything has a price

  • Comment 1, posted at 19.01.16 10:41:28 by SheldonK Reply
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  • Welcome to SA rugby where its ‘stampkar’ on the field and fancy feet behind the scenes.

  • Comment 2, posted at 19.01.16 10:43:46 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Should be fancy feet in the field

  • Comment 3, posted at 19.01.16 10:47:51 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 2) : Eish that about sums it up

  • Comment 4, posted at 19.01.16 10:49:30 by benji Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 2) : hahaha ja that’s 100% true!!!!! If only the players could sidestep like the officials then SA rugby would be world champions!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 5, posted at 19.01.16 11:38:25 by JD Reply
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  • Stormers dont have a fetcher in that entire 38 man training squad…..and somehow let Cloete sign for Pumas and then off to Kings for Superrugby…I saty it again….the Stormers suits are the most amateurish plonkers in SA rugby…..and thats saying something!

  • Comment 6, posted at 19.01.16 13:46:52 by grant10 Reply

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  • escape clause in the Pumas contract? What? Really?

  • Comment 7, posted at 19.01.16 15:26:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : Its a tough toss up…play for Pumas in the bun and coke cup and get paid. OR play for the Kings in Super rugby and there is a chance you may get paid…

  • Comment 8, posted at 19.01.16 15:35:14 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 8) : how bad is the pumas pay …

  • Comment 9, posted at 19.01.16 15:49:02 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 9) : probably just slightly higher than nothing ;)

  • Comment 10, posted at 19.01.16 15:51:17 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 9) : last season – better than the Kings.

  • Comment 11, posted at 19.01.16 16:21:10 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 8) : nope SARU is paying the players so they will get paid, problem is what to do once Super rugby is over!!!

  • Comment 12, posted at 19.01.16 16:38:24 by JD Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 11) : don’t know if it was better than the Kings but for sure it was more regular!!!!!

  • Comment 13, posted at 19.01.16 16:39:50 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : @SheldonK (Comment 8) : maybe only in PE for Super rugby and then back to Pumas for second part of Currie cup?!?! Talking about this wonder how secure are the Sharks in Bothma and Giant and Stormers in Koch? Will Pumas not recall them as well?!?!

  • Comment 14, posted at 19.01.16 16:43:02 by JD Reply
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  • Good luck, Chris! All the best…
    And… *sigh*

  • Comment 15, posted at 19.01.16 17:17:19 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 15) : can’t get them all boet can’t get them all!!!!!!

  • Comment 16, posted at 19.01.16 17:19:21 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 16) : The sigh was about SA rugby in general…

  • Comment 17, posted at 19.01.16 17:22:27 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 17) : hahaha ja OK that makes sense!!!

  • Comment 18, posted at 19.01.16 21:12:31 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 12) : @JD (Comment 14) : In terms of SARU paying…lets not just think thats a done deal…wheres the money going to come from to fund that wage bill? Cloete will def be back with Pumas for CC. Kings/EP will lose a lot of players when it comes to the actual CC. In terms of Bothma and Giant i would assume/hope that something was written down and put in a contract as opposed to a gentleman’s agreement

  • Comment 19, posted at 20.01.16 08:30:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 19) : as I have it SARU took over management of the team and thus they would pay the players. All funds generated by adverts, tickets, etc with regards to the Kings playing in PE should go to SARU to cover the expenses and that would include any sponsorship deals as well.

  • Comment 20, posted at 20.01.16 10:13:55 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 19) : I fully agree,where is sufficient funding going to come from,I hope SARU are not bandstanding and further who funds this nonsense of a disgrace after SR ends?I just hope more players donend up with no pay as those without have still not been paid,disgracefull

  • Comment 21, posted at 20.01.16 10:21:31 by benji Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 20) : No JD you need serious money to fund a SR campaign

  • Comment 22, posted at 20.01.16 10:24:13 by benji Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 20) : and serious intent

  • Comment 23, posted at 20.01.16 10:25:37 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 21) : Yeh i share those concerns. I understand that funds would have to be diverted but with the loss of the main CC sponsor, a few of the Bok sponsors and no evidence of any new major sponsors i just wonder where the money will get generated? Increased test prices perhaps? I also believe that it is the Kings super rugby franchise that SARU has taken control over…so EP rugby on its own for CC (I stand to be corrected on that)

  • Comment 24, posted at 20.01.16 10:35:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 20) : How many home games do the Kings play? If that revenue goes to SARU it may cover 1 players wages for 1 month…and the rest? Remember they still need to fit the bill for the daily running expenses such are lights,water, electricity, internet, stadium maintenance. Without a stadium sponsor and title sponsor there isnt sufficient internally generated money to run a franchise. Sharks would be in the same boat without Growpoint etc on board

  • Comment 25, posted at 20.01.16 10:39:47 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @benji (Comment 21) : @SheldonK (Comment 25) : I know it will take a lot of money but SARU forced for a sixth team and no they will pay for their decision even if it almost bankrupts them!!!!!!!!!! In reality all the unions will be effected as SARU will have to take a bigger piece of the sponsorship and international games pie for themselves to fund their team!!!!!!!!
    As for Currie cup I also think EP will be on their own as I also have it that SARU only stepped in to cover Super rugby team.
    Just a quick question: What would happen if EP can’t field a team for the Currie cup because the players strike due to unpaid salaries?!?!

  • Comment 26, posted at 20.01.16 10:59:02 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 26) : Im not sure how SARU divides up the Bok/International sponsorship money but i assume there are agreements in place so changing that could cause some issues- perhaps thats part of the reason why none of the unions agreed on the Bok coach candidates in Nov?? (Just speculating unhappiness). I think that a large chunk of the ‘development fund’ that SARU has will be diverted to paying Kings wages. If EP cant field a team for CC…that could get very spicey and interesting.

  • Comment 27, posted at 20.01.16 11:05:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 27) : me personally will not play before I get most of my unpaid salaries!! Interesting times ahead!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 28, posted at 20.01.16 11:14:08 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 28) : Yeh its a tough one…for the average player any contract is better than no contract. So if you get told you can keep your contract and most likely be paid going forward but you must forfeit any previous amounts unpaid…what would you do as a player? Bearigng in mind that a lot of those guys arent really in demand by super rugby franchises etc

  • Comment 29, posted at 20.01.16 11:19:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 29) : yes not easy to decide just glad it’s not me!!!!!!!!!! Anyway it’s a disgrace what happened to the players!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 30, posted at 20.01.16 11:28:06 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 30) : Yeh fully agree

  • Comment 31, posted at 20.01.16 11:34:49 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Would have been nice to have him back…..a well. Have a nice holiday at the bottom of the logs Chris. Come CC maybe we can persuade you to come over?

  • Comment 32, posted at 20.01.16 11:56:22 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 32) : He was back for a short stint after he played for NMMU…Sharks showed no interest as they have plenty loosies

  • Comment 33, posted at 20.01.16 11:58:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 32) : @SheldonK (Comment 33) : yes must say I do think Sharks are reasonably well covered at 7 and 8, openside might be a bit of a problem if Marcell got injured.

  • Comment 34, posted at 20.01.16 13:02:33 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 34) : Coetzee, Majola, Kleinhans…thats 3 before even looking at youngsters. Cloete should have got a look in about 3 years ago when he was in top form for Rovers and the Sharks VX (Wildebeest then)

  • Comment 35, posted at 20.01.16 13:08:54 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 33) : But how many specialist fetchers? We could use it now we are lacking the services of Bismarck.

  • Comment 36, posted at 20.01.16 13:10:13 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 36) : Coetzee, Majola, Kleinhans all play to the ball so not sure what you mean by a specialist fetcher?

  • Comment 37, posted at 20.01.16 13:17:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 37) : Everyone plays the ball or at least should be but that’s not the same as a dedicated specialist fetcher.

  • Comment 38, posted at 21.01.16 06:15:58 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 38) : To answer your question. The other players get to the breakdowns and set up defensive structures and if they happen to be able to gain the ball they do but getting and making it available is not as clean and precise as a specialist would do their skillset focuses on scavenging and then making high quality ball available not so much the housekeeping and defensive structures. This translates in higher rates of quick clean ball.

  • Comment 39, posted at 21.01.16 06:36:49 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 39) : I tend to think that what you described should be what the entire team should aim for accuracy wise at the breakdown but i will go with your explanation and then ask which specialist fetchers are there in SA that materially influence a game with their ‘specialist’ breakdown skills?

  • Comment 40, posted at 21.01.16 08:24:17 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 40) : Well that’s the problem the specialist fetcher needs quick forwards with great handling skills and can run into space otherwise the quick clean ball falls by the way side. So even as I said we could use a specialist fetcher I could see oosthuizen and Bothma making a hash of that quick ball. Gotta pair him correctly with the right forwards.

  • Comment 41, posted at 21.01.16 20:15:12 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 41) : I do get your point about effectively using the quick ball. I still think you placing too much emphasis on a “specialist fetcher”. If i think of guys that probably fall into that category…Hooper,Pocock, McCaw….yes they did good work at the breakdown but there is so much more to their game than just that. SA players have a tendency (Could be a coaching thing) to play to the ball instead of past it. Playing past the ball (as NZ does) will both create much cleaner and quicker ball but it will also force the entire team to run onto the ball as th ruck not longer becomes a static thing if that makes sense. So i just feel (personal opinion and there ore than 1 way to play) is that too much emphasis is put on finding that 1 player that can do something instead of upskilling the entire team to be more accurate. The Sharks under Plum in 2010 were extremely accurate and effective at the breakdown…not sure why it declined after that.

  • Comment 42, posted at 22.01.16 08:40:02 by SheldonK Reply

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