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Back to the future: no more endless TMO’ing


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Super Rugby on 20 Jan 2016 at 10:12
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Here’s a tittle good news, courtesy of our friends on Rugby365.com. Our friends at SANZAAR (yes, that’s right, they added another superfluous “A”) have decide to revert to 2013′s TMO protocols for this year’s Southern Hemisphere competitions, meaning far more limited scope for involvement of the fourth match official during the course of the game.

Under the current (or rather, former) protocol, a referee could refer just about anything to the TMO, resulting in virtually every try-scoring event being turned into a painstaking forensic investigation. The number of perfectly fair and good tries that were thus ruled out due to a hardly perceptible knock-on or offsides 24 phases before it was actually scored was a blight on the game; far more so, the number of perfectly good viewing minutes wasted while this interminable process dragged on.

As of 2016, that nonsense is no more. TMO’s may only be asked to rule on the act of scoring a try, or on incidents of foul play. The foul play one is simple enough, but “the act of scoring a try” refers simply to whether there was legal grounding and whether the player was actually “in-play” at the time of said grounding. In other words, TMO’s can look for grounding (did it happen and who grounded it?) and also for things like foot in touch, ball going dead, etc. No more can they be asked if there was a forward pass, knock on, or anything else in the lead up to a try, since that now needs to be handled by the three on-field officials in regular time.

Hallelujah! You can read Rugby365′s full report here.



92 Comments

  • Great bloody news. Only good news with these insane seasons we’ve got.

  • Comment 1, posted at 20.01.16 10:21:06 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • All well and good until we run into another 2007 situation ;-)

  • Comment 2, posted at 20.01.16 10:41:40 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 2) : I was waiting for someone to bring that up :grin:

  • Comment 3, posted at 20.01.16 10:43:22 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I like this a lot. I still feel that the refs(touch judges included) need to do their jobs in terms of foul play and the TMO should only judge on the try scoring act. I know many disagree but we seem to be wanting to turn rugby into a computer game rather than a game played and officiated by humans. So im glad about this step…was worried that next thing we would see drones flying around during the game trying to officiate everything

  • Comment 4, posted at 20.01.16 10:44:36 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 3) : Couldn’t resist. :grin:
    Personally I don’t think it should be all or nothing, make it 5 phases or something like that.

  • Comment 5, posted at 20.01.16 10:45:24 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 4) : I heard Makro has a sale on tinfoil… ;-)

  • Comment 6, posted at 20.01.16 10:46:49 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 6) : haha i actually need some at home :) But u laugh..wait till next years Varsity cup when refs will be sitting behind a tv and officiating over the telecom system while a drone flies over the field laser tagging any player that may be causing some foul play. The touch judges will still be there having the best ‘seats’ in town though carrying on with what they normally do- checking out the talent in the stands

  • Comment 7, posted at 20.01.16 10:55:55 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 7) : Actually wouldn’t be surprised, along with 20 point tries and 0.01 point penalties…What a joke the VC is.

  • Comment 8, posted at 20.01.16 11:07:18 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 8) : The value of a try will be determined by where on the field it is scored, did you put it down or dive, was the last pass to the left or right, what the number was of the last player beaten and the number of the player scoring, what time has elapsed in the game, what the altitude is and wind direction together with the players date of birth. A simple calculation really…

  • Comment 9, posted at 20.01.16 11:15:48 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I see plenty of room for a lot of complaints about this one.

  • Comment 10, posted at 20.01.16 11:16:40 by JarsonX Reply
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  • I’m sad I really like all the replays and listening to the commentators deciding if it’s a try or not only for the TMA to rule in the other direction!!!!!!!! Loved some of the comments!!!!!!!!! Now it’s gone!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 11, posted at 20.01.16 11:20:12 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 9) : so basically another simple system almost like cricket’s “Duckworth Lewis” system?!?!?! :roll: :twisted:

  • Comment 12, posted at 20.01.16 11:24:56 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 12) : Yeh exactly. They should implement Duckworh Lewies system in rugby as well…adjust the score if it starts raining during a game

  • Comment 13, posted at 20.01.16 11:27:54 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 13) : sounds great adjust it depending on if you’re playing with or against the rain!!!!!!!! :twisted:

  • Comment 14, posted at 20.01.16 11:30:04 by JD Reply
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  • Whats the extra A for? Apart from their abundance of A-holes…

  • Comment 15, posted at 20.01.16 11:42:44 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 15) : think it must be for Argentina (SANZAAR – South Africa New Zeeland Australia Argentina Rugby).

  • Comment 16, posted at 20.01.16 11:50:20 by JD Reply
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  • Great now we are going to see tries that should not have been awarded, yes the previous protocol took more time but we actually got the right decisions refs miss things it is natural since they are human, I’m looking forward to the kiwis running more obstructive lines and the tries being awarded

  • Comment 17, posted at 20.01.16 12:43:59 by BR Reply
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  • @BR (Comment 17) : U take the good with the bad. Players arent perfect and neither are the refs. Its what makes the game exciting. It got to a point where there were so many replays that it detracted from the actual game as people were trying to examine something in ultra slow motion with a magnifying glass. Lets the players play and the refs ref. Mistakes are part of the game. So yes fair play review a try scoring act..but review it quickly and move on.

  • Comment 18, posted at 20.01.16 13:06:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • #LambieMustFall!!!! :twisted:

  • Comment 19, posted at 20.01.16 13:07:48 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • #Lambiemustrule!

  • Comment 20, posted at 20.01.16 13:14:51 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 18) : I have to agree with you but also disagree. Yes TMO decisions is dragged out way to long but in the end the right calls must be made as the teams play for sponsorship and money. One or two bad calls can cost you the game and especially during play off games that could mean losing or being champions. Maybe a system similar to the cricket referral system (or Varsity cup white card) could work where each team get one or two referrals (if you’re wrong you lose it and if you’re right you keep it) with one or two replays and if theirs no clear evidence of a wrong call (e.g. obstruction, offside forward pass, etc) the refs call stand. Will take less time and calls should be more correct!

  • Comment 21, posted at 20.01.16 13:20:03 by JD Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 20) : :lol: I’m wainting to see if the anti-Gold brigade will do the same to Lambie… :twisted:

  • Comment 22, posted at 20.01.16 13:23:44 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • This is the professional era, accuracy should always should trump time.

  • Comment 23, posted at 20.01.16 13:30:15 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 21) : I do understand your point of wanting perfection. But thats what makes it a sports game…the fact that its not perfect. Mistakes happen, nothing is predictable. We got to a stage where the TMo would go back to the other side of the field to see if a guy cleared a ruck too aggressively which may mean a try disallowed on the ther side of the field…i mean come on! Where does it end? How long do we spend standing and staring at the big screen waiting for a TMO call. And then they still bladdy get it wrong! Yes there is money on the line…but its money on the line for a rugby game so just let the game happen. Take the good and bad calls. If you punch a guy in a ruck and dont get seen by the ref well then good for you. If the ref misses a minute knock on at the base of a scrum and the team scores well thats some good luck. If we had these crazy TMO protocols like last year we would possibly hav won the 2007 Super rugby but lost the 1995 RWC Semi. So yeh take the good and the bad

  • Comment 24, posted at 20.01.16 13:31:25 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 23) : There is no way to guarantee accuracy…can only guarantee that it will be lost time

  • Comment 25, posted at 20.01.16 13:36:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 25) : Look I don’t disagree that the current rule book is 50 shades of shit and the interpretation of it is even worse. But in professional sport, with Millions on the line, accuracy should always be the goal.
    You can argue that audiences need to enjoy what they are watching for the money to be there in the first place, but lets be honest SANZAAAAAAAR have made it pretty clearly that that couldn’t give a damn about audience enjoyment.

  • Comment 26, posted at 20.01.16 13:55:03 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 2) : true

  • Comment 27, posted at 20.01.16 13:55:40 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 24) : no video footage of benazzi scoring a try.don’t think ref would have asked :any reason why not to award the try?”

  • Comment 28, posted at 20.01.16 13:58:15 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 23) : agree.

  • Comment 29, posted at 20.01.16 14:00:02 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 26) : Nevermind Sanzar, just rugby in general is losing its appeal. Its becoming so stop start and so many replays its like NFL now. U can barely touch a guy on the field with the TMO getting involved. I mean take this last weekend in the European Champions Cup…Habana got smoked by Ashley Johnson, the ref was close by but for fear of missing something the game was stopped so that the TMO could review the tackle. Now whilst it was funny to watch Habana get smoked there was bugger all wrong with the tackle so play on FFS! I just cant stand watching replay after replay while every little bit is viewed with a fine tooth comb. This is rugby, just get on with it. Rugby played in the spirit and rules of yester year with the modern day athlete would be so much better entertainment. We might actually see more than 3 people at a televised game

  • Comment 30, posted at 20.01.16 14:03:47 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 28) : Who knows what he would have asked. But even James Small said it was probably a try. In 2007 if Steyn had kicked the ball out or 1 of the 6 players had actually tackled Hanaba we probably would have won…but yet we say it hinged on no TMO? Kurindrani’s try was given against the Boks yet the exact same grounding denied the Boks the try. No way of guaranteeing accuracy as i said, only lost time.

  • Comment 31, posted at 20.01.16 14:07:46 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 30) : That’s a huge contradiction though? You say it’s becoming stop start and yet NFL is stop start and yet it’s a giant sport with unbelievable support?
    As someone who watches both I can say that rugby is not even close to NFL.
    In my opinion it’s not the stop start nature of the game that is making it lose popularity, it’s the rule book and competition formats that require degrees to understand that are making it lose popularity.
    Rugby is doing fine in other regions, and growing, it’s only really in SA and somewhat in Aus where the popularity is decreasing.

  • Comment 32, posted at 20.01.16 14:11:37 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 31) : well,since the ref did not award the no-try,think he would have asked if in fact there is evidence that a try was scored.francois pienaar said he did not think benazzi scored.

  • Comment 33, posted at 20.01.16 14:13:53 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 32) : I was exaggerating a bit with the comparison as nothing beats the amount of stoppages in the NFL. You say its popular but its only played in 1 country…yes its a big country but still only 1 country. I agree that the rugby law book (laws not rules remember ;) ) is too extensive as it stands, but not sure how numerous TMO replays will aide that? If there was a way to guarantee a correct and quick decision with the TMO then by all means review everything, but there isnt and how often are we left frustrated at another incorrect call by the TMO? If they werent there, like in years gone by, we would just accept and move on.

  • Comment 34, posted at 20.01.16 14:19:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 31) : in hindsight,if the tmo system was available,the sharks would have won the 2007 sr title.

  • Comment 35, posted at 20.01.16 14:21:28 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 33) : There wasnt TMo so that changes a ref’s thinking. Trust me if there was no TMO these days a lot of ref would make different calls to the ones they have made and just sent it up to TMO. Pienaar may have said that but it was Small who was under him holding him up and even he said it was probably a try. But its happened and we moved on and just accepted it. The Scottish moan about Craig Joubert not going to TMO for that call but say nothing about Laidlaws knock on that was also not referred and gave them the win vs Samoa. So take away the TMO and they would have just accepted both calls

  • Comment 36, posted at 20.01.16 14:22:36 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 34) : nfl europe.

  • Comment 37, posted at 20.01.16 14:22:51 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 35) : They would also have won had Steyn kicked it out, someone had tackled Habana, and we had scored more points.

  • Comment 38, posted at 20.01.16 14:29:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 37) : Is it big in Europe?

  • Comment 39, posted at 20.01.16 14:31:25 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 34) : That one sport in that one country probably (and I bet I’m right) makes more money than rugby in the whole word. As I said above I don’t want limitless TMO usage, I’d prefer a happy medium.

  • Comment 40, posted at 20.01.16 14:34:28 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 40) : With the corporate sponsorship in the States im not surprised. I know for example that the USA spent more money on its baseball side at the Athens Olympics than some bigger nations spent on their entire olympic contingent. So comparisons there are tough. Im happy for the TMO to consult on the try scoring act as thats what gives rise to points and wins/losses. But if they start going back phase after phase looking for something a perhaps a minor incident on the other side of the field then that irritates me and actually ruins the entire game experience. With a brother living in New York ive tried to watch some more NFL…but the game doesnt flow and is so stop start i lose interest quickly. So yeh NFL is great to watch inbetween commercials but the reason i got PVR was to skip those

  • Comment 41, posted at 20.01.16 14:41:50 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 39) : rugby is bigger :D

  • Comment 42, posted at 20.01.16 14:42:51 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 40) : there are 100 000-plus university football stadiums.

  • Comment 43, posted at 20.01.16 14:45:11 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 42) : i would imagine so. European adverts arent great which detracts from the NFL spectacle :)

  • Comment 44, posted at 20.01.16 14:46:47 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 41) : I’d limit it to 5 phases, 3 if that’s still to much. That way at least you get rid of 07 situations, I honestly believe things like that are not good for the game, far worse than waiting a minute to be sure.

  • Comment 45, posted at 20.01.16 14:48:39 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 41) : i tried watching a few nfl games way back when it was on espn,but quickly lost interest.not about the ref stopping play and actually explaining to the crowd the reason for the penalty,which I found a brilliant idea.had to do with the stop-start that for me was the same as watching scrum-knock-scrum-kick-line-out-knock-scrum-rugby.

  • Comment 46, posted at 20.01.16 14:49:57 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 44) : It always amazes me just how shit adverts are in other countries, we actually have it lucky here.

  • Comment 47, posted at 20.01.16 14:50:12 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 47) : Yeh for the most part ours are pretty good. Which is interesting as SA tv shows are by and large pretty shite

  • Comment 48, posted at 20.01.16 14:53:17 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 48) : We do everything backwards, our sports presenting and our shows are terrible, but our ads are pretty good :lol:

  • Comment 49, posted at 20.01.16 14:54:59 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 46) : I do miss ESPN on DSTV…i remind my mate that works for multichoice about that often. I do understand the need to go phase to phase for NFL, but if they kept the same ‘team’ and just got n with it then it would resemble rugby league of sorts. Im still curious as to why rugby league never took off in SA. Apparently they did try to start something in jhb a good few years ago but interest declined so quickly they didnt even finish the league

  • Comment 50, posted at 20.01.16 14:56:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 49) : haha you are so right. Nevermind the Daily show id love to see Trevor Noah host Boots & All :)

  • Comment 51, posted at 20.01.16 14:57:14 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 50) : i watch rl games,but rugby union gets me excited.guess it is because i grew up withi it and the rivalries (both provincial and international-and at school).

  • Comment 52, posted at 20.01.16 15:05:35 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 52) : Yeh that makes sense. Rugby league isnt televised here so i guess the lack of exposure means lack of interest

  • Comment 53, posted at 20.01.16 15:09:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Comment 54, posted at 20.01.16 15:14:50 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • @Die Kriek (Comment 54) : China and Korea?

  • Comment 55, posted at 20.01.16 15:59:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 50) : The NFL was Rugby League. The Canadian Football League which is much more similar to the NFL than different was the Canadian Rugby Football League until 1955, it was Rugby League, sure things changed with the implementation of the forward pass, and the reduction of tackles and the need to only proceed 10 metres instead of scoring, but they started the same. Remember when the USA won the Rugby gold medal in 1920 and 1924, it was the Stanford University Men’s Football team that represented the USA and won, they were the same sport back then.

  • Comment 56, posted at 20.01.16 16:18:14 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 9) : bit like DL in cricket :)

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  • @robdylan (Comment 55) : Oh right, forgot them! Although they’ll probably be in the 2040- edition

  • Comment 58, posted at 20.01.16 16:38:31 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • I’m not do happy about this. I’ve wanted more TMO influence since 2007.

  • Comment 59, posted at 20.01.16 18:24:43 by Letgo Reply
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  • I would at least want a challange for each captain in each half, wich you lose if unsuccessfull. And keep if successful. There are blatant bad calls that has been picked up with the TMO getting more involved. I hate when bad ref calls impacts a game.

  • Comment 60, posted at 20.01.16 18:27:29 by Letgo Reply
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  • I feel it in my guts: the Sharks will lose an important game to a try that included a blatant knock-on in the build up that the ref missed…
    There are other ways to manage the amount of time lost to TMO referrals rather than to take three steps back in the use of technology…my opinion…

  • Comment 61, posted at 20.01.16 21:44:08 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 24) : don’t want perfection and for sure not the 15min TMO decisions like now. That’s why I said max two to three replays and carry on with the game, also each team only have one or two so they must be sure there’s something wrong with the refs decision.

  • Comment 62, posted at 20.01.16 22:59:31 by JD Reply
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  • It would have been great if the on field officials were up to scratch. But the fact is week after week we have poor displays of refereeing. I think the over dependency on technology is to compensate for lack of good refereeing. Maybe the root cause should be adressed and refs should face much harsher discipline or regular discipline? The qualification criteria should be much higher and they must be performance evaluated every 3 months to see if they still qualify to ref at certain levels. But as it is I don’t think they even have a proper and competent worldwide governing structure do they?

  • Comment 63, posted at 21.01.16 07:58:45 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 56) : Now that i did not know. Thank you

  • Comment 64, posted at 21.01.16 08:10:13 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 60) : @JD (Comment 62) : So seems people want captain gets 2 challenges (i assume per game ) then the ref also can refer any incident to the TMO in addition to figuring out if a try is scored. All in case something is missed before points are scored. 80min rugby games will now take 2 hours. And judging by recent TMO calls they will still get a lot wrong. I understand people want ‘accuracy’ but for me rugby should be played and officiated by the guys on the field. Maybe i just enjoy the old school game too much

  • Comment 65, posted at 21.01.16 08:17:33 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 63) : @SheldonK (Comment 65) : My personal opinion is that the foundation needs to be addressed first – a concerted effort to simplify the laws. I suspect that once we have less grey areas and less laws to worry about, refereeing will greatly improve. Once this in place, we can then identify where technology can further improve the game. I’m a fan of the challenge system but don’t see it working effectively with the hefty amount of interpretation that seems to accompany so many of the laws in rugby.

  • Comment 66, posted at 21.01.16 08:42:09 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 66) : I do get what you are saying. With the new Breakdown law they seem to be trying to simply the tackle/ruck situation. I just dont think that simplifying laws will stop TMOs being called to check every Breakdown prior to a try being scored to see if the ref missed a possible knock on,forward pass, dangerous cleanout etc. Im happy for the TMO to check the actual try scoring act..so whether ball grounded or foot in touch etc. But prior to that must be the ref and assistants call or where do we draw the line? Same with captain referrals- where do we draw the line? Can he refer back to 8 phases ago back in the other tams half where he thought there was a possible knock on? My basic argument for not wanting TMOs to decide on anything more than the try scoring act is where do we draw the line? Or do we just review everything before a try is scored up until the kickoff?

  • Comment 67, posted at 21.01.16 08:50:00 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 67) : I think it’s a valid point. Here’s how I view it. Each captain gets two challenges which they lose should the decision not go their way. These challenges can be used to check anything within a particular passage of play or to challenge a referee decision. With only two challenges allowed to each captain per game and the understanding that the ref himself can only refer to TMO for the phase leading up to try and grounding of try as well as foul play, I reckon you’d drastically reduce the amount of stoppages compared to the current system. But this is all based on my original precondition that the laws be simplified first. With simplified laws I reckon the TMO could make his calls much faster in a lot of cases (especially when it comes to tackles and breakdowns).

    If stoppages still remain a concern after that, then don’t allow a captain to keep a challenge regardless of whether the judgement is in his favour.

  • Comment 68, posted at 21.01.16 09:07:28 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 68) : Ok if i can add my twist to your thinking. If the TMO can only be called on for the try scoring act and then each captain gets 1 referral per half whether right or wrong with it then the TMO time will definitely be reduced. I still think that foul play needs to be dealt with by the refs and then citing officer. Ive seen tries not awarded because of ‘foul play’ that had zero bearing on the actual sequence of play that resulted in the try. Chatting to ref friends of mine they explain how tricky reffing the breakdown,maul and scrum really is…so many things you have to bear in mind. For me personally i think as long as you come from an onside position you should be able to play the ball from any direction and using your hands/feet. In terms of scrums, get the teams closer and then just say engage…its then your responsibility to get the ball out. If opposition doesnt allow you to get it out then its your free kick, they do it twice penalty etc.

  • Comment 69, posted at 21.01.16 09:17:57 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 69) : The foul play had a bearing on the try. If the foul play was picked up immediately, then play would have stopped immediately, hence no try would have been scored.

  • Comment 70, posted at 21.01.16 09:29:33 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 69) : I could live with that approach.

  • Comment 71, posted at 21.01.16 09:33:58 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 70) : See thats where i disagree. If the ‘foul play’ and sometimes the most pathetic things get blown up was nowhere near the ball then i believe it doesnt influence the play and sequence of try scoring. Yes the assistant can keep record of the number and the player sin binned etc after but i dont see why it should affect the try being scored when neither player had any impact on the sequence of events. Yes i know im arguing more interpretation of a law but ive seen tries disallowed as 1 tackle in super slow motion may be half a second late and then 3 passes later the ball is turned over and a try ‘scored’.

  • Comment 72, posted at 21.01.16 09:38:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 72) : So you saying if you holding onto my jersey, and I am unable to join play, meaning my team sits without a extra player to defend, your team scores, it had no impact on play?

  • Comment 73, posted at 21.01.16 11:20:35 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 73) : I think if the foul play is close enough to influence the try scoring sequence then the ref/assistant are close enough to call it up. If its so far out of sight that nobody sees it until a slow motion zoomed in replay is needed then no the offense doesnt influence the try at all.

  • Comment 74, posted at 21.01.16 11:27:17 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 74) : So if you are defending a ruck and your jersey is held and the guy dives over next to you then thats the try scoring act which im happy to be reviewed and the foul play will be picked up and no try. However if you are defending a ruck and your jersey is held and the ball is moved out to the wing and a try is scored 20m away then you had no influence on that.

  • Comment 75, posted at 21.01.16 11:29:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 73) : @SheldonK (Comment 74) : give the teams one referral to check for foul play, offside, forward pass, etc if in one or two replays nothing was clear to change the call the original decision stand and team lose their referral. Basically something similar to the cricket referral system.

  • Comment 76, posted at 21.01.16 12:12:40 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 76) : If the max number of replays is limited to 3 then it will help. Then replays also cannot be shown on the big screens at stadiums. Too often home town producers show replays to benefit the home team that then gets reviewed but wont show any to disadvantage them. Case in point the penalty that led to Lambie kicking the points to beat NZ- game was in SA so that incident was shown over and over till it was reviewed. If it was a late shot by an SA player on an All Black do you think that would have been shown even once? So to prevent that no replays in the stadium

  • Comment 77, posted at 21.01.16 12:18:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 77) : that’s why the ref can’t review calls except in goal and the captain can’t refer a decision that’s 20 min old!!!!!!!

  • Comment 78, posted at 21.01.16 12:28:10 by JD Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 32) : which team in the NFL do you support ?

  • Comment 79, posted at 22.01.16 02:03:31 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 79) : Yeh im curious too? Also do you think there is a market for it in SA?

  • Comment 80, posted at 22.01.16 08:24:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 80) : I also happen to follow the NFL but I seriously doubt there’s a market for it here unless rugby takes a major nosedive.

  • Comment 81, posted at 22.01.16 09:15:07 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 81) : Yeh i tend to think u are right. Its also not the cheapest sport to play equipment wise, well if you want to play it properly.

  • Comment 82, posted at 22.01.16 09:19:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 82) : Don’t laugh but if you want the rush of those amazing NFL passes and catches without getting involved in the blocking (which is what the equipment is required for) nothing will get you closer to that feeling than Ultimate Frisbee (and make you fit at the same time). I play it twice a week and it’s probably the most fun team sport I’ve ever played casually.

  • Comment 83, posted at 22.01.16 10:26:59 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 83) : Ive heard and seen a couple promo videos for Ultimate Frisbee but never actually watched a full game. There is a semi contact game of NFL…that is played in the states. Its more social than anything but you can play without equipment (well you need a ball). So its basically all he rules of NFL except its like touch and hold as opposed to tackle/smash.

  • Comment 84, posted at 22.01.16 10:39:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 84) : We’ve tried it. We’re probably doing it wrong but it’s really boring. Whereas touch rugby can be a lot of fun if you’re in the mood for rugby, touch football simply doesn’t deliver in the same fashion (in my humble opinion).

  • Comment 85, posted at 22.01.16 12:16:47 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 85) : Playing Touch Rugby properly is quite a bit different to normal rugby or touch on the beach for example. Its just basically a lot of set moves. Actually fairly rigid in its approach

  • Comment 86, posted at 22.01.16 12:18:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 86) : I’m comparing a game of casual touch-rugby to casual touch-football though.

  • Comment 87, posted at 22.01.16 13:16:43 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 87) : yeh ok fair enough then

  • Comment 88, posted at 22.01.16 13:29:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 84) : taking the Tackle/smash out of NFL is like braaing without meat!!!!!!!!!!! Just not worth it!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 89, posted at 22.01.16 13:55:41 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 89) : haha ive heard veggie braais are great… ;)

  • Comment 90, posted at 22.01.16 14:07:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 90) : ja boet I sometimes also braai chicken and it does not taste to bad, but only with steak and wors!!!!!!!! :twisted:

  • Comment 91, posted at 22.01.16 15:46:47 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 91) : If you bring chicken to my braai be prepared to cook it in the kitchen…nobody has time for that haha

  • Comment 92, posted at 22.01.16 15:55:49 by SheldonK Reply

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