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Nothing to separate Sharks, Stormers in Super Rugby


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Stormers, Super Rugby on 9 Mar 2016 at 10:52
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While history is not always an accurate predictor of future events, it’s often not a particularly bad one, either. With the Sharks heading to Cape Town this weekend to take on the Stormers in a match in which the Durban side will rightly be considered underdogs, historical precedent suggests the game might be rather more difficult to call.

Since the Stormers became the Stormers in 1998 (before that, they played as Western Province in the early Super 12 competitions), they have faced the Sharks 24 times, 12 times apiece at Newlands and Kings Park. In a frankly amazing statistic given the sample size, each team has won exactly 12 of those games. Even stranger is the aggregate score, with the Sharks (494) edging the Stormers (493) by just a single point over the course of those 24 matches. The try count is equally and bizarrely similar, 48-47 in favour of the Sharks.

Where the Stormers edge the contest – and some may say significantly – is in the aggregate competition log points taken from these fixtures; they lead the Sharks 61-58, an indication that they’ve taken 3 more bonus points from these fixtures than the Sharks have. On 9 occasions, the margin of victory has been by 13 points or more, meaning a close result (less than 12 points) in 15 of those 24 matches. In fact, the difference has been 7 or less no fewer than 14 times in 24 matches, or 58%. Perhaps more interestingly, when one applies the new try bonus point system retrospectively, only 3 bonus points would have been scored by the winning team over the course of 24 games.

The Sharks have won a surprising number of games away from home, with 5 of the 12 wins (42%) occurring at Newlands. The counter to that argument, of course, is that the Stormers have won the same number of games at Kings Park – perhaps an indicator that home ground advantage is not a huge factor in these derbies. Last year’s competition saw the Sharks and Stormers each rack up a comfortable win at home, whereas in 2014, the tables were turned, with the sides each winning away.

All info courtesy the excellent PickAndGo site.



38 Comments

  • Man…talk about close stats, that is amazing. Hopefully this weekend will add to our tally of away wins, and put us a little ahead in stats.

  • Comment 1, posted at 09.03.16 10:56:25 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Interesting, I went with Sharks by 4

  • Comment 2, posted at 09.03.16 10:58:05 by pierre_mackie Reply
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  • I’m hoping the Sharks will be more eager to win and more cunning in outsmarting the Stormers

  • Comment 3, posted at 09.03.16 11:00:40 by pierre_mackie Reply
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  • @pierre_mackie (Comment 2) : you make SB picks before seeing team announcements?

  • Comment 4, posted at 09.03.16 11:24:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : I got burned doing that with the Blues game, never again.

  • Comment 5, posted at 09.03.16 11:30:24 by Seth101 Reply
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  • The Boy must be focus, determined, be proud to be SHARK and BELIEVE that thy can do it and it wil happen. We know you can do it. I am a SHARK FOREVER!!!!!!!!!Go SHARK GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 6, posted at 09.03.16 11:41:55 by Bronzi Shark Reply

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  • @pierre_mackie (Comment 2) :I have the Sharks by 5 @robdylan (Comment 4) : and yes Rob that’s how much we trust the coach and team!!

  • Comment 7, posted at 09.03.16 11:42:24 by JD Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 5) : you do know you can go back and chance your pick?!?!

  • Comment 8, posted at 09.03.16 11:43:12 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 8) : I tend you pick and lock at the same time. But won’t be from now on.

  • Comment 9, posted at 09.03.16 11:55:17 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : I never bet against the Sharks….maybe once last year.

  • Comment 10, posted at 09.03.16 11:56:42 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • I reckon this weeks games going to be a close one with our boys taking it by 3 (if Lambie plays, which he won’t we’d win it by 15 :mrgreen: ). I’m looking forward to Dan and Jean-Luc vs Eben and that blonde kid. Battle Royale…

  • Comment 11, posted at 09.03.16 12:02:27 by Hulk Reply

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  • Stormers backs still totally unsure of whats klapping on the field, just hoping Koch and Malherbe get their act together or else its going to be a long day at Newlands

  • Comment 12, posted at 09.03.16 12:12:40 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Hulk (Comment 11) : mate, if Lambie plays this weekend, Stormers will win it by 100.

    You can’t have your flyhalf playing in a sling

  • Comment 13, posted at 09.03.16 12:14:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 12) : When is De Allende back?

  • Comment 14, posted at 09.03.16 12:19:21 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 12) : Your boys have the experience of the 2015 world cup Bok fh, you’d expect yout backline to be on fire….or is Schalk more interested in playing flank/8th man these days?

  • Comment 15, posted at 09.03.16 12:22:50 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 15) : hahaha ja boet!!!!!!!! :twisted:

  • Comment 16, posted at 09.03.16 12:33:20 by JD Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 12) : they’re going to get Beasted the weekend!!!!!!!!! :twisted:

  • Comment 17, posted at 09.03.16 12:35:12 by JD Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 14) : I think he’s still out for like 3 months

  • Comment 18, posted at 09.03.16 12:52:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 15) : thanks, I needed that :)

  • Comment 19, posted at 09.03.16 13:02:14 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Willie in his interview on the Sharks site:
    “We call Tuesday training sessions ‘Test Match Tuesdays’ because of all the tackling we have to do,”
    I like that!!

    Whole interview:
    http://sharksrugby.co.za/making-a-valuable-contribution/

  • Comment 20, posted at 09.03.16 13:30:12 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 14) : May, but i have a feeling it will be longer

  • Comment 21, posted at 09.03.16 13:47:08 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 15) : :lol: :lol: :lol: I get the feeling that if Kurt doesn’t settle quickly then we will see the Schalk at flyhalf move happening all day.

  • Comment 22, posted at 09.03.16 13:48:49 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 22) : regardless of him settling I really don’t think Kurt will get a lot of balls except when he must kick.

  • Comment 23, posted at 09.03.16 14:13:13 by JD Reply
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  • I see after the Jaguars game Gary Gold said how pleased he was at the “character” shown by the team.

    Jeez. He is like a stuck record.

    What exactly is “character”? How do you measure it? Why is it so important to him that he finds a way to mention it after EVERY game? Do all good teams need character?

  • Comment 24, posted at 09.03.16 14:25:36 by Kiss_the_Gold Reply

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  • @Kiss_the_Gold (Comment 24) : can’t answer your questions about why GG mention it so much and how you measure it, but what I can say is the Sharks showed something to come from behind and beat the Argies (and also leave them scoreless in the second 40) so call it what you want: determination, guts, character I will just call it really marvellous!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 25, posted at 09.03.16 15:00:37 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 25) : surely every team that wins a rugby game must show some level of “character” to do so? If so, why mention it repeatedly? Even then, some teams that lose in a hard fought game will also show “character”. Doesn’t it make the notion rather meaningless?

    He seems caught up on this word. I wonder how he measures the level of “character”?

    I’d rather the team won because they were well coached and well prepared and things fell in place because the team executed the meticulous training and preparation well. Something more scientific and measurable than the opaque “character”. By all means be a team with “character” too, most champion teams are.

    Maybe Gold doesn’t realise how often he says this word. Like how often people use the word “structures” in SA rugby.

  • Comment 26, posted at 09.03.16 15:30:53 by Kiss_the_Gold Reply

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  • @Kiss_the_Gold (Comment 26) : I actually cringed when he said it this week because I thought he said it a lot last year because there wasn’t much else to say but this year was hoping for more “measurable” adjectives. Granted due to the lows of 2015 it may be a concept they are drilling into the deal. Maybe character is playing for the team, having pride in your performance etc etc.

  • Comment 27, posted at 09.03.16 19:57:07 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 27) : *team

  • Comment 28, posted at 09.03.16 19:57:38 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 27) : Now see if I was Smit I’d have somebody already on the payroll be responsible for scanning social media, to be a bit of a fan barometer, if you know what I mean. Not just this site, but other sites too to be aware of the true fan pulse. At the moment I doubt anybody does this. I get the sense Smit and his team prefer to keep their heads above the clouds. Their way or the highway and all that.

    If somebody did read this, they’d know to report back to the big boss to ask the little boss to stop f%$#&ing mentioning character”!

  • Comment 29, posted at 09.03.16 20:28:43 by Kiss_the_Gold Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 27) : @Kiss_the_Gold (Comment 29) : at the end of the day I actually think that infact if the team show character we could just pull this one through!!!!

  • Comment 30, posted at 09.03.16 22:46:47 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 30) : sorry I just had to!

  • Comment 31, posted at 09.03.16 22:47:20 by JD Reply
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  • @Kiss_the_Gold (Comment 29) : I guess the interpretation of “character” would be winning when you sucked.

    Our lineout showed “character” against the Kings.

    The tsietas showed zero “character” in both their games – they sucked and lost.

    In essence, when you hear Gold say “character”, it means ” the boys sucked today, but we got 4 log points”.

  • Comment 32, posted at 10.03.16 06:53:29 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 32) : hahahaha think you might be onto something!!!!!!!!!! :twisted:

  • Comment 33, posted at 10.03.16 07:26:05 by JD Reply
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  • I actually hate the pre-mid-and post game interviews with coaches, I mean there is only so much that you can say, and every single coach uses the same cliches over and over again.

  • Comment 34, posted at 10.03.16 08:59:56 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 34) : Should be like football where they just have the post game interview. Would have uf suffering through the ‘analysts’.

  • Comment 35, posted at 10.03.16 09:12:42 by Seth101 Reply
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  • If anyone is in the mood for self harm this morning, give this a read:
    http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/SuperRugby/pieter-steph-ready-for-former-employers-20160309

    “I think any player who plays against his old team wants to prove a point … wants to prove to his new team that he really wants to be here and wants to prove to his old team that they made a mistake by letting him go,” Etzebeth said.

    Arrggggghhhh :evil: :x :vomit:

  • Comment 36, posted at 10.03.16 09:29:16 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 36) : Sport24…. you should know better :)

  • Comment 37, posted at 10.03.16 09:57:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • Just had a look at the site you mention Rob,great site,love all the stats….cant believe we have ever only lost to the Blues 4 times!!!

  • Comment 38, posted at 10.03.16 10:24:15 by BarendL Reply
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