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Sharks pack set up epic Newlands triumph


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Stormers, Super Rugby on 13 Mar 2016 at 10:12
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The Sharks forwards outperformed their more fancied Stormers counterparts at Newlands yesterday to lay the platform on which an unexpected, but very welcome, 18-13 upset victory was built. All the talk in the build up had centred around the strength of the Cape pack, particularly at the set piece, but it was the men in black who turned up to play on the day, turning in a flawless performance at both lineout and scrum time, as well as bringing more aggression to the point of contact.

Not that it was all plain sailing, of course. In a first half where the home side enjoyed 60% territory and possession, it was only a combination of impenetrable defence from the Sharks and rather unimaginative attacks from the hosts that kept scores close. The Sharks battled to get hands on the ball in an opening half hour that saw scoring opportunities limited to a penalty goal each. All that separated the sides when the half-time hooter went was a rather fortunate try to Leolin Zas, the Stormers winger having held onto a cheeky chip over the Sharks defence from Cheslin Kolbe.

It was the only time in the half that the Stormers came up with anything other than the predictable with all the possession they had. Perhaps perversely, it was that moment that seemed to sting the Sharks into action and they ended the half not content to merely tackle, but determined to pick up their fair share of the pill.

Trailing 10-3 as the second period began, the Sharks found their groove on attack early in the second half and drew level with the hosts after a rather controversial penalty try was awarded in the 46th minute. A stray boot from Siya Kolisi had knocked the ball out of Cobus Reinach’s hand as he went to score the equalising try and despite what seemed like rather convincing evidence to the contrary, TMO Marius Jonker ruled that the kick had been intentional. Joe Pietersen added the extras from right in front, while Kolisi had 10 minutes to ponder his “accident” from the sin bin and all of a sudden, the game was tied up again.

The score board may have remained locked up as first the Sharks grabbed a penalty, followed by the Stormers, but there was no denying the momentum shift in that second half, with the Sharks pack starting to dominated each exchange and grow stronger. The 13-all deadlock was finally broken in the 78th minute as JP Pietersen, rather quiet up to that point, fielded a wayward kick just short of the half way line and broke through two would-be Stormers tacklers to set up a clear run into the 22. His pinpoint pass found Joe Pietersen on the outside, with the flyhalf scoring the match winner despite the valiant efforts of Kolbe to prevent him grounding.

The Sharks had one more storm to weather, but ultimately managed to see off a final wave of rather predictable Stormers attack as the clock wound down, emerging with a 5-point victory that was far more significant than the score differential would suggest.

Stormers (13): Try Leolin Zas. Conversion Kurt Coleman. Penalties Coleman (2).
Sharks (18): Try Joe Pietersen, Penalty Try. Conversion Joe Pietersen. Penalties Joe Pietersen (2).



423 Comments

  • The most pleasing thing about this game (and the season in general) is seeing how hard all the players are working to cover ground in defence; clear evidence of pride and commitment. That, more than anything else, is making it pleasurable to watch the Sharks again

  • Comment 1, posted at 13.03.16 10:24:09 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Please don’t start with the whole pill thing. It’s a ball!

  • Comment 2, posted at 13.03.16 10:24:26 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • Sharks scrum and lineout….what an absolute pleasure to watch.

    …but I do not think the streamers are very good this year – our true measure will be against the kiwi teams, and I’ll hold off on any play-off dreams until I then.

    …the heart our boys have shown however, makes watching and supporting this team a pleasure – credit to Gold and coaching team.

  • Comment 3, posted at 13.03.16 10:41:31 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Damn but our scrum was a thing of beauty. Captaincy seems to have given Beast a new freshness and brought back his mongrel, and can I just take a moment to welcome Coenie. Man he is looking like a brand new player, discipline has been good and he is scrumming like a machine!

  • Comment 4, posted at 13.03.16 10:59:18 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • Franco also deserved his beer after the game, his throwing was on point!

  • Comment 5, posted at 13.03.16 11:00:08 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • Huge improvement in the lineout every week. Well done.

  • Comment 6, posted at 13.03.16 11:25:35 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • What a great game. Well done Sharks!
    Did we get penalised at any mauls we defended? I so I don’t recall any. One stormers maul needed a hell of a lot of work to stop, but I was very happy with the way the guys were very aware of how close they were to offsides, breaking away with hands up, and rejoining from the back. No panicking and attempting to illegally stop it. Then right at the end, not giving away a penalty and stopping the very dangerous WP maul in its track, preventing a victory stealing draw or loss.

    Random bits
    Marcell is like having an extra player on the field.
    Beast is a great choice for captain. The players clearly respond very well to him. He’s very respectful to the ref, which I think is just part of his good nature. Ref’s are human, and don’t like been surrounded by players all telling him how to do his job. (Even though he tells props how to do theirs all the time :) )

  • Comment 7, posted at 13.03.16 11:58:42 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 4) : @KingRiaan (Comment 5) : must agree with you!! Coenie really had a great game and Franco has really made the no2 jersey his own but must have a special word for Beast scrumming against the 2 “best” tight head in the country and out performing them!!! This Sharks pack is really something special!!!

  • Comment 8, posted at 13.03.16 12:03:43 by JD Reply
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  • I have to say Etienne Oosthuizen grafted really hard all game long.

  • Comment 9, posted at 13.03.16 12:12:59 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • It’s very interesting to see whenever someone gives away a penalty how they “please and explain” to Beast. :)

  • Comment 10, posted at 13.03.16 12:18:19 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 3) : Agree. The Kiwi derbies I watched were light years ahead in skill and execution. The only thing sort of on par was the intensity and, for us, the excellent set piece.

  • Comment 11, posted at 13.03.16 12:27:18 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Southern_Shark (Comment 10) : think the players really respect Beast and must add I like the way he speaks to the refs.

  • Comment 12, posted at 13.03.16 12:38:53 by JD Reply
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  • I was hoping for parity in the set-pieces but getting the upper hand demonstrates the mongrel in this squad. Not giving a way a try to a rolling maul shows improvement in that department too. Ball retention was problematic but a superb effort from the Sharks nonetheless.

  • Comment 13, posted at 13.03.16 13:19:25 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Was anyone else struck with the petulance and griping of Schalk Burger? Reminded me of Bismarck on a bad day at the office. I’m glad Beast shows the proper respect. Joh, we have a valuable bench, especially Claasens and van der Walt. April needs to get some game time soon though.

  • Comment 14, posted at 13.03.16 14:02:00 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 13) : Highly highly impressive! No champagne rugby but my word I enjoyed the physical intensity, defence and mongrel of the side. The Sharks of previous two seasons would have capitulated or selfdestructed.

    The backline can do a lot better but overall I was highly pleased and even if we drew or lost, I was happy with improvement from last year. The level of team cohesion, respect and unit over self was awesome. Just compared how streamers whined and moan constantly with the ref and tjs and how Beast managed his team and handled the ref.

    There seems internal respect for the jersey and each other and be it from GG,Robert or Moroccan and whole coaching unit – hats off!

  • Comment 15, posted at 13.03.16 14:08:37 by Kabouter Reply

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  • It seems province started believing their own press, and Tank Lanning admitted in an article this morning that the Sharks were drilled and sharp and wanted it more. Perhaps the Stormers believed they simply had to show up at home. Just came back from Canal Walk shopping centre and not one article of Stormers apparel to be seen (except on a mannechin); there was a cheeky Sharks supporter though, wearing his shirt :)

  • Comment 16, posted at 13.03.16 14:08:55 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • Stormers are the most over hyped team in the history of this tournament.

    I’ve identified a real issue with the majority of the South African print and television media being Cape based and partial.

    The media are a large part responsible for the inflated expectations of a middle of the table team who once in while make a play off or get a home semi final.

  • Comment 17, posted at 13.03.16 14:14:10 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • Although this was a great victory the Sharks still have a lot to improve on!!! The next couple of weeks is going to be tough and I hope the team can perform as good as they did on Saturday!!!

  • Comment 18, posted at 13.03.16 14:17:04 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 18) : next 3 games: vs bulls (away) vs saders (home) bye weekend vs lions (home).

  • Comment 19, posted at 13.03.16 14:41:37 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • While most of us have shredded this new format with a little more consideration given to it I actually think it is incredibly favourable for SA teams. Especially in the alternate year when SA teams play Aus teams.

    The tournament’s history tells us that finishing top of the log is crucial if you want to lift the trophy. Home finals pretty much secure the deal for you (lets just skirt around 2007 ok?).

    With this new format at least 2 SA teams are guaranteed of hosting quarter finals.

    However, in order to secure a home semi final, assuming you win the home quarter final, you need to finish in the top two on the combined log, and if you want the final you need to finish first – just like the old log.

    In my view this new format is going to make it easier to finish top of the combined log for SA teams.

    Consider the Stormers this year –

    They fly to Buenos Aires for a one off game against the Jaguars, and then return home for a bye weekend. They don’t play the Jaguars again.

    They play the Sunwolves home and away and should be expected to win both these games.

    They play the Lions, Sharks and Kings only once with home and away local fixtures against the Bulls and Cheetahs.

    They play the top 2 Australian sides, the Tahs and Brumbies at home, and also play the Reds at home.

    Their two game away tour sees games in Aus against the Rebels and Force.

    They play NOT A SINGLE NZ team.

    If this is not the dream draw to get you into first place on the log then I don’t know what is.

    The Sharks will have a similar dream draw next year.

    Provided you finish 1st on the log you really then should go on and win the trophy, you’d certainly be odds on favourite to win the 3 knock out games at home.

  • Comment 20, posted at 13.03.16 15:15:38 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • Tmo was asked if it was kicked. Not if it was intentional or not. He did not say it was deliberate. Only that he kicked it. As far as the law states one can only try and stop a try with your hands. 22.4(f). He was no where near the motion of tackling at that stage. (As he protested to the ref)He was upright. Intentional or not, the ball was kicked. PT. Where is Bosch? But that is my take.

  • Comment 21, posted at 13.03.16 15:17:16 by Ice Reply
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  • If one has to look for the intention in any penalty be it high tackle, etc. you are not gonna have any game and a lot more pissed fans. How can one really know the intention of any one person. So play the law and not the intention of the act.

  • Comment 22, posted at 13.03.16 15:25:30 by Ice Reply
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  • Great game from the boys.

    Other than Marcel, I must credit the entire tight 5 for great work at the set piece. I was feeling underwhelmed by Marais until I recalled that we’d dominated the scrums and not just won all our line outs, but even poached one. Well done at your primary roles young man!

    Special mention to Andre Esterhuizen; haven’t seen attackers so afraid to run at a channel since Henry Honiball retired. He monsters a few big names out there and killed their momentum over and over again. Big future ahead.

  • Comment 23, posted at 13.03.16 15:27:38 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Even the Sharks have a fairly easy run in in the local Africa conferences.

    Home and away against Lions, Kings and Jaguars.

    Bulls and Stormers both away (but we’re odds on now to beat both away from home), Cheetahs and Sunwolves at home (no away trip to Tokyo or Singapore).

    We have a nightmare away trip from hell though.

    Blues, Highlanders and Chiefs away, then straight back home for a game against Hurricanes then straight off for a game in Buenos Aires.

    Crusaders at home.

    We’re traditionally very good tourists.

    It’s not beyond the realms of possibility that we can win our conference but I think a top two finish on the combined log is beyond us this year. Compare how much more difficult our schedule is compared to the Stormers. We may face an away semi final if we get there and it could be a step too far (as it usually is in this competition).

    I think 2017 is our year for the trophy.

  • Comment 24, posted at 13.03.16 15:46:39 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 21) : excellent analysis.

    Law 22.4(f)
    In this situation [tackled near the goal line], defending players who are on their feet may legally prevent the try by pulling the ball from the tackled player’s hands or arms, but must not kick the ball.

    Law 22.4(h)
    Penalty try. A penalty try is awarded if a try would probably have been scored but for foul play by the defending team. A penalty try is awarded if a try would probably have been scored in a better position but for foul play by the defending team.

    Jonker’s TMO ruling was correct to the letter of the law. You are correct that the law makes no mention of the defending player’s intention. How are we to assess intention anyway?

    The penalty try was therefore justified. Where the argument develops is whether the yellow card was justified.

    The definition of foul play is “Foul play is anything a player does within the playing enclosure that is against the letter and spirit of the Laws of the Game. It includes obstruction, unfair play, repeated infringements, dangerous play and misconduct which is prejudicial to the Game.”

    Law 10.5(a)
    Any player who infringes any part of the Foul Play Law must be admonished, or cautioned and temporarily suspended for a period of ten minutes’ playing time, or sent-off.

    It was within the laws and spirit of the game for Kolisi to be yellow carded for playing in contravention of law 22.4(f) which brought about a penalty try under law 22.4(h).

  • Comment 25, posted at 13.03.16 16:04:33 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 25) : Thanks ????

  • Comment 26, posted at 13.03.16 16:21:48 by Ice Reply
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  • Meant thanks!!!

  • Comment 27, posted at 13.03.16 16:28:10 by Ice Reply
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  • I see Jonathan Kaplan is having a meltdown on twitter.

    He reckons it was clearly accidental from Kolisi and that the TMO and ref should consider a player’s intention and not just the outcome as the law presently stands.

    The problem with this approach is that Kaplan has reached a subjective decision himself by finding the incident “accidental”. I do not believe it is clear at all it was indeed accidental.

    Even so, you cannot have a situation where a foot can be placed in the way of a try scoring downward motion, whether accidental or intentionally, with the result that the ball is kicked away and the try is prevented. That is why we have law 22.4(f) in the first place – it is already very clear. You cannot kick the ball away.

    To add in a subjective element on intention is only going to make the decision process even more arbitrary.

    Stupid idea Kaplan.

    If Kolisi’s foot was grounded before the ball was placed on it this would not have been a problem in my view. A lot of the confusion has been caused by spurious media reports suggesting this was the case.

  • Comment 28, posted at 13.03.16 17:10:59 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 1) : Absolutely…

  • Comment 29, posted at 13.03.16 17:12:01 by pastorshark Reply
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  • If Kolisi’s foot was grounded before the ball was placed on it then it was clearly a positional step in his effort to get into a defending position and not a kick. The problem for Kolisi is that his foot made contact with the ball in the air, immediately before it was grounded for a try, therefore it is a kick and it contravenes the law. A penalty try is clearly the sanction.

    Nobody can assess on the evidence with any certainty what Kolisi’s intention was but we sure as shit can say what the outcome was – a probable try was prevented.

  • Comment 30, posted at 13.03.16 17:15:48 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 3) : One of the things I’m very happy about is this:
    1. We all knew that the Stormers tight 5 would test us at set piece time, particularly in the lineout…
    2. The Sharks responded to that by very focused preparation for the set pieces – they showed variation and innovation at lineout time and had very specific plans to overcome the Stormers lineout strength.
    3. That sort of recognition of threats and plans to overcome them is very heartening – hats off to the coaching team!!

  • Comment 31, posted at 13.03.16 17:15:59 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 4) : At some stage I said that I was always against Coenie at tighthead. Then I experienced him on the end of year tour in 2014. He was very, very good at tighthead there and dominated a few Northern Hemisphere looseheads That convinced me he could play tighthead. When he struggled at the end of last year and in the first few games for us, I was disappointed but said I reckon it is because he played so little rugby since that 2014 tour (due to injury). I said in a thread a few weeks ago that maybe he just needs a bit of match practice to get back into the swing of things. I am very glad to see him improving week after week. Long may it continue!

  • Comment 32, posted at 13.03.16 17:19:09 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 28) : I think we have all been subjective on many occassions. They would be opening a ugly can of worms by applying the laws with subjective decisions. Keep the laws as is, rule on them. Intentions aside. It is gonna save a lot of trouble. So many times a hogh tackle penalty was awarded. A lot of times it seems unintentional, but the law stands, therefor a penalty is awarded. Fair? No, but that is the law. Why should this be different. He was two-stepping, his foot was defnitely not solidly grounded as speculated in the media.

  • Comment 33, posted at 13.03.16 17:25:52 by Ice Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 30) : I absolutely agree…someone pointed something out to me today and when we watched the replay in slow motion several times that point was very clear to see.
    1. Kolisi shifts in the defensive line for one or two steps before he reached for Reinach…
    2. If you compare those steps to the last one he took when he dislodged the ball from Reinach’s hand, it is very clear that the last step was more of a lunge…that step covers almost twice the distance of his previous two steps, the knee of the other leg that was ground clearly bends in the direction of Reinach.
    3. Those two facts would indicate to me that he was not just taking “another step”…he pretty much lunged towards Reinach. Whether he meant to displodge the ball or not is then irrelevant…his lunge did dislodge the ball and was rightly penalised.
    Bobby Skinstad whinged big time saying, “He had to put his foot somewhere…” Well, if he had taken the same size steps as just before his lunge he would have had plenty of space to put down his foot. For me, numerous replays leave me in no doubt that he lunged towards Reinach in order to stop him, that much was deliberate. That deliberate action then dislodged the ball…to me that means penalty and in this instance that penalisable offence clearyl stopped a try from being scored and therefore should lead to a penalty try…

  • Comment 34, posted at 13.03.16 17:28:15 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 33) : Absolutely agree. So many high tackles are not intentional but must be penalised anyway…and Kolisi’s foot was CERTAINLY not grounded – it was a case of his ungrounded foot hitting the ball rather than the ball hitting his grounded foot…

  • Comment 35, posted at 13.03.16 17:30:20 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 5) : Franco has impressed me in these first few weeks of the season. Good work, son! Keep it up…

  • Comment 36, posted at 13.03.16 17:31:06 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 6) : I think not only Robert du Preez, Omar Mouneimne and Kings-Conditioning-Man (I can never remember his name) deserve all the credit they have been getting…the continuous improvement in the forwards says that Strudwick also deserves praise!

  • Comment 37, posted at 13.03.16 17:32:33 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 7) : It is very clear that a lot of work has been put into both setting our drive off lineouts and defending against lineouts. In both cases our boys make very clear, precise movements and through that show the ref that they are very aware of doing things correctly. Well done, guys!

  • Comment 38, posted at 13.03.16 17:34:45 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Southern_Shark (Comment 9) : He really has impressed me all season…I know not everyone thinks so, but it seems to me as if someone has lit a fire under his butt and he has really begun to put a very, very poor season in 2015 behind him.

  • Comment 39, posted at 13.03.16 17:36:59 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 34) : yeah I reached the same conclusion on the match thread last night. The more you watch the replay, the more it starts to look like Kolisi deliberately kicks the ball. His ‘lunge’ (I used the same word) just looks unnatural as a movement. I won’t say any more about it, because I wrote a whole essay on it last night (a little peeved at what I felt was a little biased reporting and some downright dishonesty from Ashfak Mohamed)!

  • Comment 40, posted at 13.03.16 17:39:03 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 11) : Agreed…though I suppose it is also fair to say that, in general, it has not been as easy for New Zealand sides to do that against South African sides that are well organised defensively and strong in the set pieces. I reckon for us it will be more important for us to get that right against the Kiwi sides rather than to try and beat them at their own game…I don’t think we’ll get that right. I do look forward to us bringing our attacking game more into play in the weeks to come and the games against the New Zealand sides will be more difficult than the one against the Stormers in terms of neutralising their attack…but we’ll have to keep going in terms of defensive organisation and set piece strength if we are going to get anywhere, I reckon. I look forward to seeing how all this develops!

  • Comment 41, posted at 13.03.16 17:42:54 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 40) : Sorry man, I didn’t get a chance to read the thread last night…but totally agree with you!

  • Comment 42, posted at 13.03.16 17:44:19 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Are we going to allow the captains to cross-examine the players to prove / disprove intent? Refs can only rule on actions – end of story.

  • Comment 43, posted at 13.03.16 17:44:41 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 13) : That set piece yesterday was so enjoyable to watch…it just felt so good to see our boys step up and get the upper hand!

  • Comment 44, posted at 13.03.16 17:46:42 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 14) : Schalk was really almost bitchy! Did anyone see his petulant slap of Marcell?! (Right in front of the ref, but never mind!) I actually quite like Schalk, but yesterday was really off-putting!

  • Comment 45, posted at 13.03.16 17:49:44 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 31) : That’s a very valid, and valuable observation. The apparent lack of analysis of our opponents (or lack of response to said analysis) is something that’s been driving me completely batty for years!

  • Comment 46, posted at 13.03.16 17:50:09 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Just an aside: did anyone see that Irish try just before half-time yesterday…scored by Heaslip, but what a bit of play that was by almost the whole side!!

  • Comment 47, posted at 13.03.16 17:50:41 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Kabouter (Comment 15) : Big hats off…I’m loving what we’re seeing in that regard…

  • Comment 48, posted at 13.03.16 17:51:57 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 16) : Rob Houwig wrote an article saying pretty much the same thing. He just stated very clearly that he thinks the Sharks got the rub of the green from the ref. I saw it very differently. I know okes are debating the penalty try, but for the rest I thought the Stormers got the rub of the green (an elbow to the throat not even being penalised comes immediately to mind…)…

  • Comment 49, posted at 13.03.16 17:54:36 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 46) : yes me too! To hear that we developed plans to combat the Stormers lineout was music to my ears! What has changed this year?

  • Comment 50, posted at 13.03.16 17:55:54 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 46) : Yup…I was super chuffed to see this better preparation so clearly demonstrated this weekend!

  • Comment 51, posted at 13.03.16 17:56:24 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 49) : Was that elbow from Juan de Jongh on Joe Petersen?….I thought I saw an elbow there, and as you said about the slap from Schalk….he needs to move on, after last year’s world cup, I’ve had my fill of him.

  • Comment 52, posted at 13.03.16 17:57:03 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 42) : just watched the replay of the incident a few times again in slow motion. I’m even more convinced it was intentional!

    It really does become more apparent the more you watch it!

    The baying public were simply swayed by the commentary team’s wrong (and highly emotive) analysis

  • Comment 53, posted at 13.03.16 17:57:56 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 50) : Although I am happy to give credit to the whole coaching team, I am hearing from a few little birdies that Robert du Preez is instrumental in this. I reckon there is your change from last year right there!

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 53) : Absolutely agree with you…stretch of the offending leg…the other leg clearly bending at the knee and pushing in the direction of Reinach and the ball. Watching it in slow motion has convinced me. For me, the commentary team was really poor there…I mean, Skinstad whining like a girl (no offence, girls!) “he has to put his foot somewhere!” Of course, he has to put his foot somewhere…just not there where he put it!

  • Comment 55, posted at 13.03.16 18:00:48 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 18) : @50shadesofshark (Comment 19) : Look, we couldn’t have wished for a much better start in terms of results…but the rest of this tournament is tough and we will be under pressure to deal with some difficult fixtures and travel itineraries. I am hoping for real further development in terms of getting the balance between defence and attack just right. If we do manage to win those next three games (tough fixtures, for sure) we will be in a very good position.

  • Comment 56, posted at 13.03.16 18:04:19 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 20) : Yup, that is definitely the case in the Aus year, absolutely. For us, the Aus year is also combined with more home games than away. So your point is well made…

  • Comment 57, posted at 13.03.16 18:06:25 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 54) : haha it was a loaded question :mrgreen:

    @pastorshark (Comment 55) : spot on. Skinstad was really embarrassing

    I don’t get Boots & All (or whatever it is called these days) – I’d love to know what their panel of “experts” says about the incident with the benefit of the replays and a cooling off period! Will someone other than a Cape media person stand up and speak the truth? Naas? Kobus? Ashwin?

  • Comment 58, posted at 13.03.16 18:08:49 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 23) : Andre was a rock, machine, monster…In German we would say “Ein Eisen!” (an iron…the substance, not the household appliance! It doesn’t translate very well, I know…) I hope he stays careful with the tip tackle thing, but I certainly hope he doesn’t take a step back ever from his hard tackling!

  • Comment 59, posted at 13.03.16 18:11:34 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 58) : Yup…will be looking out for that…

  • Comment 60, posted at 13.03.16 18:12:55 by pastorshark Reply
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  • I wonder how the Stormers would have got on yesterday if John Mitchell was in charge? I do think over time the Stormers will regret appointing Fleck who so far, while talking about a “different path” has been nothing but a Toetie clone.

  • Comment 61, posted at 13.03.16 18:16:19 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 28) : I agree on the IF his foot was grounded before the ball was placed on it, resulting on it being dislodged. But, as you say, that was very clearly not the case and those in the media who wrote that it was are clearly just not being objective. How do I post a pic? I have one that shows clear as daylight how his foot kicks the ball out of Reinach’s hand…

  • Comment 62, posted at 13.03.16 18:24:13 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 61) : I like this little piece by Jon Cardinelli:
    “What was interesting to note was Fleck’s attitude towards the Sharks’ tactics. It was almost as if the Stormers coach couldn’t believe that a team would favour a strategy that relies on rabid physicality at the collisions and breakdowns, contestable high kicks, and a rock solid defence.

    ‘We’re on a different path,’ Fleck said later at the press conference. The intimation was that the Stormers will look to play a more attacking brand of rugby than the dour Sharks in the months to come. Fleck talked up the fact that the Stormers had put together a number of phases of play in the derby at Newlands.

    Fleck thought little of the fact that the Stormers were outscored by two tries to one by a less exciting Sharks team, or that at this stage of the tournament, a total of seven teams have scored more tries than the Stormers.”

    Sounds a bit sulky from Fleck!

  • Comment 63, posted at 13.03.16 18:27:26 by pastorshark Reply
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  • So far the coaching staff and players are doing brilliantly this year. I also have to admit I wasn’t sure about sticking with Odwa, not mainly because of his lack of speed, but because there is a player like Sithole waiting behind him. Had to admit for the second time this year, he does more than his share. Was great under a few high balls and solid in everything he did. JP also proved that he is a smart player. When he made the break, looked around, saw he had support to his left and immediately moved a bit to his right to make sure Joe would be further away from the tackler after he passed the ball to him. Also want to mention how much Reinach’s kicking game has improved. He really takes some of the pressure of the other kickers and keeps the opposition guessing on whether he will pass or kick himself.

  • Comment 64, posted at 13.03.16 18:31:48 by HeinF Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 62) : as soon as the ball is kicked away check Kolisi’s boot toe – it changes angle upwards as though he has just ‘poked’ the ball. You have to look for it, but it’s there…

  • Comment 65, posted at 13.03.16 18:32:39 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 63) : it’s hard to tell because the only direct quote from Fleck is “we’re on a different path”.

  • Comment 66, posted at 13.03.16 18:34:27 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • In other news: very brave play by Scotland is rewarded. At 21-18 up they get a kickable penalty, kick to the corner and score a great try with the back in the corner to lead 26-18. They have a real chance to beat France for the first time in over a decade. 26-18 with 10 minutes to go…

  • Comment 67, posted at 13.03.16 18:34:40 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 66) : Fair enough…

  • Comment 68, posted at 13.03.16 18:35:07 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Scotland nail a penalty and lead 29-18 with 5 minutes to go…

  • Comment 69, posted at 13.03.16 18:39:45 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Great defence against the maul by Scotland has surely won them the game. 11 points up, 2 minutes to go…Scotland put in at the scrum…

  • Comment 70, posted at 13.03.16 18:43:11 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 68) : so I found his post match comments and yes Ol’ Fleckie da Legend certainly seems tohave been a bit sulky :lol:

    “Obviously we expected that (Sharks kicking on the Stormers’ back-three). I didn’t expect anything from the Sharks – that’s their mindset. They certainly didn’t try and run at us, and they exploited us with a kicking game and we are going to face the same thing with the Brumbies,” Fleck said.

    “So we need to sharpen up there, obviously. Like I said, there were three, four, maybe five clean takes in the air where their wingers got up ahead of ours. But the beauty of this game is that we can work on it this week.

    “At the end there, it became a bit of a scrap through their tactical kicking. And whether it was tactical or not, they just bombed it up in the air and put us under pressure. But from there, they didn’t really get the ascendancy on us – I felt at the end there, a couple of scrums should’ve gone our way, and it didn’t.

    “But credit to them, they brought us into that sort of brawl and they thrived in that, and I guess we got frustrated.”

  • Comment 71, posted at 13.03.16 18:43:16 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 69) : excellent touch and thinking by hogg for visser’s try.and he nailed that 54m penalty.scots’ no13 scored an excellent individual try also.nice to see both strauss and wp nel have good games.

  • Comment 72, posted at 13.03.16 18:43:20 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • Sulky Fleck Pt 2:

    “No, it (Burger’s back-chat) is (disappointing). And he’s apologised for it afterwards, but I guess he was lured into that frustration, with what was going on at the breakdown. But as a senior player, he is better than that, and obviously it was a crucial three-pointer that they got there,” Fleck said.

    “But again, there was enough good stuff out there for the team to take a lot of confidence out of this game. We were taking them wide, we were taking them through the middle, we had those little attacking kicks in behind.

    “We are on a different path to them (the Sharks), and we certainly take comfort in the fact that we can build so many phases on attack and put the defence under pressure. They play in a certain style and we want to play a different style, and we are going to keep working on that.

    “Overall, I thought our breakdown was good. We can look at it and see whether those were penalties against us or not, with Marcell – I think that will be a focal point of our review.

    “But overall, I felt we had good continuity and we just couldn’t get any territory in that second half. Credit to the Sharks with their kicking game, they just kept pinning us back. I guess we did the same thing to them in the first half, but with ball-in-hand.

    “We need to be able to handle a kicking game against us. And I think it was evident last year when we played the Brumbies that they put us under immense pressure with tactical kicks and contestable kicks on our back-three, and likewise at the breakdown, Pocock and Fardy and Co.”

  • Comment 73, posted at 13.03.16 18:45:43 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • Scotland sew it up. A deserved win: 29-18…

  • Comment 74, posted at 13.03.16 18:46:44 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 71) : What a schmuck! Really…not very dignified in defeat, is he?

  • Comment 75, posted at 13.03.16 18:47:29 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 72) : Yeah, good for them!

  • Comment 76, posted at 13.03.16 18:48:02 by pastorshark Reply
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  • I see Ashfak Mahomed is still straining his credibility to defend Kolisi, but today he stops short of saying Reinach grounded the ball against Kolisi’s grounded and stationary foot.

    “While Kolisi was unlucky to be adjudged by TMO Marius Jonker to have kicked the ball out of Cobus Reinach’s hand in the penalty-try incident, the Stormers will need to maintain better discipline if they want to take revenge against the Brumbies for last year’s playoff qualifier defeat.”

    :lol:

  • Comment 77, posted at 13.03.16 18:48:20 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 73) : Truly a schmuck…

  • Comment 78, posted at 13.03.16 18:50:31 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 75) : Fleck has always been a bit of a schmuck though, hasn’t he? When he acts all schmucky I just remember that time he looked like a schmuck decelerating to canter in for an easy try under the poles, just before Deon Kayser slams his schmuck face into the turf :lol:

  • Comment 79, posted at 13.03.16 18:50:41 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 78) : yeah his post match comments – the first time he has had to front up to the media after a loss -were not very dignified at all. Poor form.

    “I didn’t expect anything from the Sharks – that’s their mindset.”

    “We are on a different path to them (the Sharks), and we certainly take comfort in the fact that we can build so many phases on attack and put the defence under pressure. They play in a certain style and we want to play a different style, and we are going to keep working on that.”

    Very underhanded loser jibes at the victors there…

  • Comment 80, posted at 13.03.16 18:54:24 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 73) : Of course everyone and his dog will employ a kicking game against your back three…they are small and not great under the ball. That’s rugby, son. People analyse you and target your weaknesses! As the article I quoted points out: In his ire, Fleck has not quite grasped that the Stormers are not scroing very many tries (3 in game 1, 2 in game 2, 1 in game 3…not the sort of countdown you want in that department). If their path is flinging the ball around in a drab attack that is as unimaginative as it is relatively easy to defend against…well, power to them…

  • Comment 81, posted at 13.03.16 18:54:43 by pastorshark Reply
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  • On the other hand, Gary Gold has always been a gentleman. He has that at least.

  • Comment 82, posted at 13.03.16 18:55:09 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 79) : :lol: I was just thinking exactly the same thing…whenever life gets a bit depressing I just watch that clip and I find myself feeling sad no longer!! :lol:

  • Comment 83, posted at 13.03.16 18:56:17 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 81) : and let’s not lose sight of the fact that the Stormers back line has never set the world alight with Fleckie da Legend as their specialist coach the past few years. Not quite sure what he’s basing this new found supposed “path” on… there’s no evidence of it…

  • Comment 84, posted at 13.03.16 18:57:15 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • Seriously gunning for a platinum star this weekend.

  • Comment 85, posted at 13.03.16 18:59:12 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 80) : I don’t know whether, as a man of the cloth, I am supposed to say this, but it just makes you feel like punching him in the face. Really!! Poor. It kind of makes me hope we drill them by 40 points in Durban, outscoring them 7 tries to 0 in a scorching attacking display. Of course, I would also take a 2 point victory sealed with a penalty towards the end…but damn, the first option would be satisfying!

  • Comment 86, posted at 13.03.16 19:00:00 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 85) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 87, posted at 13.03.16 19:01:08 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 84) : Spot on…

  • Comment 88, posted at 13.03.16 19:01:53 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 86) : Oh yes, that’s right…we don’t play them in Durban this season…well, next season will do too…by then we will have seen more of where our respective paths will have led us…

  • Comment 89, posted at 13.03.16 19:07:09 by pastorshark Reply
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  • So Jonathan Kaplan’s decision – no try, no card and a penalty to the Stormers against “Reinach and him using his left arm as a prop to help him get ball over the line after momentum” :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    I’m beginning to think Kaplan’s twitter account has been hacked…

  • Comment 90, posted at 13.03.16 19:08:20 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 80) : That really is such a poor comment, you would expect much better from a professional coach. Like pastor mentioned, why should we not employ a kicking game against such a small back three, it would be silly. Not like we only kicked, most of the kicks were greatly contested (and won!). Would love to see the stats of the match, but if you take possession into account, think we made some pretty decent runs in this game. Definitely not Jake-ball we played yesterday.

  • Comment 91, posted at 13.03.16 19:11:08 by HeinF Reply

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  • http://www.superxv.tv/video/stormers-v-sharks-rd3-2016-super-rugby-video-highlights_64a081958.html

    1m29s is all you need to look at.

    The point about Reinach using his left hand as a “prop” is interesting. Will need to investigate this further to the letter of the law but it looks from the video that Reinach was OK.

  • Comment 92, posted at 13.03.16 19:12:05 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 90) : Did he really say that on twitter? Why can’t some people just disappear after they hung up their whistles, so afraid of becoming irrelevant!

  • Comment 93, posted at 13.03.16 19:12:56 by HeinF Reply

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  • Having looked at the clip I think Reinach’s momentum was taking him towards the line to place the ball for a try anyway, but I can see Kaplan’s point. The question is would Reinach’s natural momentum have got him to the line? I think so.

  • Comment 94, posted at 13.03.16 19:14:37 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 93) : of course every Stormer has latched on to it, calling for him to come out of retirement :mrgreen:

  • Comment 95, posted at 13.03.16 19:15:28 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 36) : Coenie and Franco really impressed me last night. Coenie really had a good night in the scrums and Franco wow great lineout throwing!!! Adriaanse Thomas and Chili will have to perform if they want to take the jerseys from Coenie and Franco!!!

  • Comment 96, posted at 13.03.16 19:17:13 by JD Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 95) : Yeah, I’m sure they will…until the first decision doesn’t go their way, then calling for his head again. I’m not an expert on the law, but Reinach did not use his legs to push himself forward and he is allowed to place the ball. I have seen enough similar tries scored like this and not one of them disallowed because of double movement. I have not seen every match and every try ever scored though, so I could be wrong :mrgreen:

  • Comment 97, posted at 13.03.16 19:20:14 by HeinF Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 93) : I actually quite enjoy Kaplan’s writing…I can live with it if he sees it differently to what I do. It is quite nice to have an “it’s on the score sheet” incident going in our favour!!

  • Comment 98, posted at 13.03.16 19:20:44 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 96) : That’s just the way we like it!!

  • Comment 99, posted at 13.03.16 19:22:55 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 96) : Isn’t it amazing how players that there were doubt over their abilities, have put up their hands this season and especially yesterday? I am glad we won this match, but extremely proud of our performances in the scrums and particularly the line-outs, the areas where I had my doubts before the match. Hats of to the players and the coaching staff, not leaving things to chance!

  • Comment 100, posted at 13.03.16 19:23:23 by HeinF Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 98) : To be honest, I enjoy his writing as well ( the few times that I do read it). I do believe that in some cases (like this one),he would rather go against the decision by the ref on the field than agreeing with him. Atm I am just irked by the comments of Schalk, the commentators and Fleck, why he got under my skin ;)

  • Comment 101, posted at 13.03.16 19:26:47 by HeinF Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 49) : Really don’t care if the Sharks got the rub of the green or not, on more than one occasion Sharks were on the other end of the calls so for me it was payback time and I’ll take the victory with a HUGE smile!

  • Comment 102, posted at 13.03.16 19:28:01 by JD Reply
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  • I truly believe luck favours the brave. The bounce of the ball favours the brave. The Sharks have had some bad luck in the past. Sport is like that. The important thing for me is when you keep on winning even though your not at your best. So well done to the grit and guts the guys showed. Let’s keep on building. Tough tour coming up. But we have a good squag. Maybe one of the best this year. Really exited!!! Go Sharks. Sharks Forever. And ever. And ever after!

  • Comment 103, posted at 13.03.16 19:30:50 by Shark Overide Reply

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  • Streamers have grown accustomed to Craig Joubert’s biased refereeing in these local derbies….they now struggle with this concept of using a neutral ref, where Schalk’s Tantrum’s has no effect on how the ref blows the game. :)

  • Comment 104, posted at 13.03.16 19:35:53 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • After all that whining Im gonna become less dignant and humble in victory…. Hell Yeahhh!!! GO SHARKS! Outplayed, outnumbered, outmuscled! LOSERS!!!!

  • Comment 105, posted at 13.03.16 19:37:36 by Ice Reply
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  • Kaplan has got that one 100 percent wrong! You are allowed to reach forward and place the ball and he gets up onto his arm by momentum. And intentional or not kolisi kicks the ball out of his hands thus preventing a try.

    If you apply kaplans reasoning … sorry ref i didnt mean to tackle high or i thought about using my arms but didnt have time…. would be an arguement for not awarding a penalty try every time

  • Comment 106, posted at 13.03.16 19:38:27 by byron Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 101) : absolutely agree with your feelings about Schalk, commentators and Fleck…

  • Comment 107, posted at 13.03.16 19:39:39 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 73) : @pastorshark (Comment 78) : I’m so glad Sharks have RdP, Omar and co as they’re 1000 time better that the legend!!! Not only did the Sharks players out play the Stormers think the Sharks coaches out coached the Stormers!!!

  • Comment 108, posted at 13.03.16 19:40:59 by JD Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 104) : This is why I prefer neutral refs. All of the SA refs know the players and call them on their names. No familiarity yesterday and taking nonsense from “experienced” players who have no business talking to the ref, as they are not the captain.

  • Comment 109, posted at 13.03.16 19:41:06 by HeinF Reply

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  • Tbo, De Jonghs constant japping to the ref with Schalk as the little kefter-brakkie got on my nerves too. And after that tackle, Marcell was touching his eye as if he got a klap. NOW you are messing with the wrong mama!!

  • Comment 110, posted at 13.03.16 19:42:27 by Ice Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 107) : Was fun at church this morning though, all my friends are obviously stormers supporters here in cape town!

  • Comment 111, posted at 13.03.16 19:42:53 by HeinF Reply

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  • @Shark Overide (Comment 103) : Yup…
    You know what? When the Stormers equalised with 5 minutes to go, I really did still think we were going to win it. We just seemed that focussed and hungry…

  • Comment 112, posted at 13.03.16 19:43:20 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Three positive things about Reinach:
    1. Much improved with the boot in this last game.
    2. He kept up a discourse with the ref, politely pointing out a few things at collapsed scrums and then backing off. That is the subtle kind of ref management I’ve been wanting to see for ages.
    3. He scored a try that will grate on Stormers fans for the rest of the season.

    Our boy is growing up :)

  • Comment 113, posted at 13.03.16 19:44:00 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Having read some of Robbie Fleck’s post-match comments, I now understand why the Western Cape is often referred to as the “whinelands”

  • Comment 114, posted at 13.03.16 19:45:06 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 111) : Oh man, I can imagine. We have a few Stormers supporters here, but 98% are obviously Sharks supporters. We enjoyed the chat about it though! And everyone had a good laugh about the fact that my voice was very hoarse today! :grin:

  • Comment 115, posted at 13.03.16 19:45:11 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 100) : yes that was really great to see the Sharks perform in scrums and lineouts especially as nobody game them a chance before the game!! I’ll say it again this Sharks team and coaches just have something special about them!!!

  • Comment 116, posted at 13.03.16 19:45:42 by JD Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 114) : :lol: :lol: :lol: Good one…

  • Comment 117, posted at 13.03.16 19:45:48 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 104) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 118, posted at 13.03.16 19:46:22 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 113) : Really is. RdP is turning him from an above average scrummie to a game winner!

  • Comment 119, posted at 13.03.16 19:46:32 by HeinF Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 105) : The whining really is making the win all the more pleasurable… :grin:

  • Comment 120, posted at 13.03.16 19:47:30 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 115) : Lol, here I am part of the 2%. Better being a teacher than a pastor, my voice has an extra day to heal ;)

  • Comment 121, posted at 13.03.16 19:48:13 by HeinF Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 116) : Yip, took a while, but think JS got it right with this team, even making a great investment in the Impi team to get them to where they should be

  • Comment 122, posted at 13.03.16 19:49:59 by HeinF Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 120) : for sure, dominee!

  • Comment 123, posted at 13.03.16 19:52:00 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 110) : “As if…?!” Schalk definitely gave Marcell a little bitch slap across the face. What a toss!! That was not on…and it was right in front of the ref…right there! Ai…

  • Comment 124, posted at 13.03.16 19:52:22 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 90) : @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 92) : @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 94) : blah blah blah check the scoreboard and the log!!!!!

  • Comment 125, posted at 13.03.16 19:52:38 by JD Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 113) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 113) : @HeinF (Comment 119) : I am looking forward to seeing Michael Claassens starting a game though…he is just top class! Same for Ginger. I want them to start a game soon…but also recognise that they are just perfect for closing games out!

  • Comment 127, posted at 13.03.16 19:56:39 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 105) : @pastorshark (Comment 120) : Ice you left out “out coached”!!!! Sweet sweet victory!!!!

  • Comment 128, posted at 13.03.16 19:58:16 by JD Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 121) : :mrgreen: My voice really struggled today…not even Halls helped. But that fitted in with my sermon and I almost always say something about the Sharks at some stage in the greeting or sermon, so it was good moods all around…

  • Comment 129, posted at 13.03.16 19:59:13 by pastorshark Reply
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  • I’ve gone and read Kaplan’s comments following the discussion on here and fair enough if he believes it wasn’t a kick, he’s entitled to his personal interpretation.

    What I do find puzzling is his insistence to make calls based on intention. Maybe I’m wrong or ignorant but doesn’t this start steering rugby into football territory with players putting on a innocent act to get away with indiscretions?

    There’s already so much controversy when it comes to rugby officiating. Why would it be a good idea to introduce more opportunities for interpretation?

    Still respect Kaplan and will continue reading his writings – nobody’s perfect. But dear Lord, emotion has really crept into this particular decision, hasn’t it?

  • Comment 130, posted at 13.03.16 19:59:51 by vanmartin Reply
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  • In seasons past I’ve been known to say that even the worst season turns out ok if we just manage to beat the Stormers…I hope our season continues to improve and go well…but, damn, this win was satisfying!! :lol:

  • Comment 131, posted at 13.03.16 20:01:18 by pastorshark Reply
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  • One thing very few people have commented on is the fitness of our boys! Obviously the performance of the tight five was impressive, the defense awesome and much else enjoyable…but, jeepers, we really do look well-conditioned and fit. In every game we have stepped it up in the second half and played hard right until the end!

  • Comment 132, posted at 13.03.16 20:02:59 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 127) : agreed Pastor. He does deserve a few starts. Just glad to see Reinach’s game maturing.

  • Comment 133, posted at 13.03.16 20:03:39 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 130) : I absolutely agree with your assessment! Good comment…

  • Comment 134, posted at 13.03.16 20:04:28 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 133) : Yup…

  • Comment 135, posted at 13.03.16 20:07:10 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 132) : …and unlike our 2014 fit team, our boys seem to really enjoy their rugby.

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 136) : Absolutely…

  • Comment 137, posted at 13.03.16 20:29:26 by pastorshark Reply
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  • I have just watched the winning try again 10 times…and reflected on the sweet, sweet irony that, in the light of Fleck’s comments, we won the game in a move that included the Stormers KICKING (poorly, as it turned out!) and the Sharks RUNNING it back incisively to score a try of beauty!!! Sweet…

  • Comment 138, posted at 13.03.16 20:32:01 by pastorshark Reply
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  • In the interests of hearing the other side of the penalty try debate in the media, let’s add this voice to the mix:
    http://www.superxv.com/mallett-penalty-try-right-decision/

  • Comment 139, posted at 13.03.16 20:39:28 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 132) : Absolutely, I did make mention of it after the Jags game but deserves being pointed out again.

  • Comment 140, posted at 13.03.16 20:45:22 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 129) : must move close to you so I can join your congregation!

  • Comment 141, posted at 13.03.16 20:51:22 by JD Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 132) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 136) : like I said in 120min of second half play Sharks only conceded 3 points!!! That’s very impressive and shows that they’re fit enough to play right to the end!!

  • Comment 142, posted at 13.03.16 20:55:22 by JD Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 140) : Yup, I like the pattern of strong performances right until the 80th minute that we have seen in the 3 games so far…

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  • @JD (Comment 141) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 144, posted at 13.03.16 20:57:35 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 138) : that try was a thing of beauty!!!

  • Comment 145, posted at 13.03.16 20:57:56 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 142) : Yeah, great stat…

  • Comment 146, posted at 13.03.16 20:58:04 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Good win by the Blitzbokke in the quarterfinal against Wales…5 tries to 0…

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  • @JD (Comment 145) : It was…

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 146) : just hope they can build on it as the tournament continues!!

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 139) : And another voice…
    http://www.rugby365.com/tournaments/super-rugby/71709-pietersen-show-sends-stormers-packing

  • Comment 150, posted at 13.03.16 21:04:32 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 142) : That is truly impressive….well spotted stat.

    That’s the thing that sets the AB’s apart…they stay within one score at half time, and then they shut the opposition out in the 2nd half.

  • Comment 151, posted at 13.03.16 21:04:56 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 147) : must say the Blitsbokke is really looking good!!!

  • Comment 152, posted at 13.03.16 21:05:17 by JD Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 150) : That article did get it wrong when they referred to Marcell as the captain!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 153, posted at 13.03.16 21:05:49 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 127) : They both deserve a start,think this weekend against the bulls is great oppertunity to start them,maybe even give Coenie a break? He is a contracted springbok,isn’t he?

  • Comment 154, posted at 13.03.16 21:06:52 by HeinF Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 129) : Most of my learners stormers as well,so get a few chirps when I wear a sharks shirt to school ;)

  • Comment 155, posted at 13.03.16 21:08:15 by HeinF Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 151) : thanx yes that was a trademark of the great All Blacks and Saders sides. They just nailed sides in the second 40 and seems as if this Sharks side is starting to do the same.

  • Comment 156, posted at 13.03.16 21:08:51 by JD Reply
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  • Okay, seems Kaplan has more invested in this view than just objective analysis. He replied to Steve Haag:

    @STEVEHAAGSPORT stick to cheap photos boet .. You are clueless

    And then this exchange:
    @RefJK well was a card and a try. Tough luck. Better team won.
    @Johannpollard was there a better team …
    @RefJK sharks were better at the set pieces, on defence and attack at the end. So yep, they were better
    @Johannpollard disagree but that is a moot point and you are entitled to your views

    Those grapes seem sour to me. Either he’s a Stormer fan or he lost a bet :D

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  • @HeinF (Comment 155) : think you can wear you Sharks shirt tomorrow without getting a word from them!

  • Comment 158, posted at 13.03.16 21:11:58 by JD Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 154) : think they will play Coenie until Thomas is fit.

  • Comment 159, posted at 13.03.16 21:12:56 by JD Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 157) : think it’s pretty poor taste for a guy like Kaplan to get involved in social media name calling!!! Everyone has an opinion and it does not make his the correct one! Anyway my answer to his is simple go check the results column and log Sharks won and that’s the end of it!!!!

  • Comment 160, posted at 13.03.16 21:19:28 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 160) : to be fair, everyone posts stupid things on social media on occasion but I’m almost certain he had a dog in this fight

  • Comment 161, posted at 13.03.16 21:21:52 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 159) : Probably a good tactic,but he played a bit of club rugby and the bulls are struggling,might be a good oppertunity to give him 20mins of the bench

  • Comment 162, posted at 13.03.16 21:28:51 by HeinF Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 161) : yes I know everyone does but a person in his position should not get involved in name calling (or personal attacks) on social media!

  • Comment 163, posted at 13.03.16 21:32:11 by JD Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 162) : yes it could work to rest him this week but not sure it will happen as Sharks needs to beat the Bulls.

  • Comment 164, posted at 13.03.16 21:34:59 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 160) : I am not 100 miles away from the way JK sees it, but he shouldn’t have called Steve that. Bad form.

  • Comment 165, posted at 13.03.16 21:35:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • Yeah I said earlier, it seemed to me that Kaplan’s twitter may have been hacked… otherwise he’s an emotional sort.

  • Comment 166, posted at 13.03.16 21:39:54 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 165) : I’m 100% with you I’d even admit it might have been a bad call but not even the “experts” sees it the same way so yes poor form from him!!!

  • Comment 167, posted at 13.03.16 21:41:50 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 165) : but Kaplan rather conveniently has ignored the real issue.

    1. He says Reinach should have been penalised, therefore no try.

    [That's all well and good to know, but it wasn't the question asked of the TMO, so let's look at the grounding/non-grounding of the ball only as Jonker was asked to do]

    2. Instead of applying the present laws of the game, which don’t say anything about the intention of a player, to give his view he has just said that intention should be a factor taken into account – because it was all clearly “accidental”.

    None of this applies the present laws of rugby….

  • Comment 168, posted at 13.03.16 21:44:08 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • So I find it a very poor analysis by JK, and his personal insults and obvious emotional attachment to something involved here just adds a bad taste.

    Law 22.4(f) is the only thing we should be concerned with here, followed by law 22.4(h).

  • Comment 169, posted at 13.03.16 21:46:28 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 168) : nothing anyone says or do will change anything as the result stand Sharks won and got the log points to prove it!!!

  • Comment 170, posted at 13.03.16 21:48:39 by JD Reply
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  • Kaplan is wrong. He says this: @ProvinceFan if you think action of Kolisi is accidental then how can you even justify the card .. And therefore the try

    Accidental doesn’t come into it.

    Who decides it’s accidental?

  • Comment 171, posted at 13.03.16 21:49:11 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 165) : Boss, what’s your reading on this one. Why are the experts getting their panties in such a bunch about this particular call? We’ve seen so many poor calls through the years and the supporters always get emotional but I can’t recall the pros losing their cool to such a degree. Bizarre.

  • Comment 172, posted at 13.03.16 21:49:26 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 170) : yes mate, we know this, but it’s fun to tell people why they’re wrong. ;-)

  • Comment 173, posted at 13.03.16 21:49:51 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 168) : That’s a damn good point.

  • Comment 174, posted at 13.03.16 21:52:17 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 173) : yes I know and that’s why I like to just show the scoreboard and the log as they can bitch and moan as much as they like nothing will change!!!

  • Comment 175, posted at 13.03.16 21:53:16 by JD Reply
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  • Whoever @Provincefan is, is schooling Kaplan and I applaud his/her objectivity on the matter!

  • Comment 176, posted at 13.03.16 21:53:46 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 172) : bizarre indeed, maybe it’s because they’re closet supporters?!?!?!

  • Comment 177, posted at 13.03.16 21:55:09 by JD Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 176) : oh, the irony of that twitter handle :D

  • Comment 178, posted at 13.03.16 21:56:12 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 176) : hahaha almost makes me sad that I’m not on twitter!!!

  • Comment 179, posted at 13.03.16 21:57:19 by JD Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 154) : That was what I was thinking…

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  • @JD (Comment 179) : neither am I! Can’t stand these little bird tweets, but you can still read what’s going on…

  • Comment 181, posted at 13.03.16 21:58:48 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 155) : I remembered how great it was at Maties after Natal beat Province…all you had to do was wear your supporters gear and that was statement enough…

  • Comment 182, posted at 13.03.16 21:59:45 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 177) : the simplest explanation is usually the right one

  • Comment 183, posted at 13.03.16 22:00:00 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 157) : :shock: What the hell?! How does a public figure like Kaplan get involved in that sort of exchange…unprofessional and just not great for his own public image…jeepers! I wonder what that was all about?

  • Comment 184, posted at 13.03.16 22:04:36 by pastorshark Reply
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  • One chap raises an interesting counter-argument to Kaplan’s [wrong] “accidental” aligned with fairness analysis.

    The flip side is Reinach therefore knocked the ball forward in the process of scoring a try after making contact with Kolisi’s accidental boot.

    It would have been a try but for Kolisi’s “accidental” boot in the air contact.

    Therefore Reinach’s knock on was “accidental” so how can it be fair for the try not to be awarded? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 185, posted at 13.03.16 22:05:25 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • Feelung so much better! ?

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 183) : hahahaha

  • Comment 187, posted at 13.03.16 22:06:34 by JD Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 185) : ja boet like you said the laws are of actions not intentions!!!

  • Comment 188, posted at 13.03.16 22:10:02 by JD Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 184) : dog in the fight

    @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 185) : slippery slope :)

  • Comment 189, posted at 13.03.16 22:10:38 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 165) : Yeah…it’s fair to have an own opinion and particularly to back it up with sound reasoning…but it neither fair nor professional to talk like that to those who disagree. I expected more from JK. I really have always enjoyed reading his column, but these exchanges are a bit baffling… :shock:

  • Comment 190, posted at 13.03.16 22:11:50 by pastorshark Reply
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  • How do you judge intention? Baby-face Lood de Jager would get away with murder on the pitch!

    The answer is you cannot.

    Some people think Kolisi had no intention. Some think he did.

    Putting that decision in the hands of a TMO will only make the decision more grey.

    The law is clear enough as it stands.

  • Comment 191, posted at 13.03.16 22:12:08 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • By next weekend, the streamers and their entourage of “experts” will have a new subject to bemoan….if I was a betting man, Pocock’s poaching will be the subject of a lot of self-righteous indignation.

    This Sharks try will be long forgotten. :)

  • Comment 192, posted at 13.03.16 22:20:32 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 192) : Not by me it won’t…the more they whine, the longer they guarantee that I will remember this try ( with a greater degree of pleasure, I might add… Am I allowed to say that?) :lol:

  • Comment 193, posted at 13.03.16 22:23:27 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Jeez this @Provincefan chap is schooling Kaplan. Kaplan just says “disagree” but doesn’t justify why. Seems a bit churlish. In fact, Kaplan hasn’t answered how Jonker should have ruled on the decision within the present laws (not what he’s like to see as the laws)….

    @RefJK impossible to ascertain intent. So much gamesmanship by players that saying there was no intent and it was an accident is impossible

    @ProvinceFan disagree .

  • Comment 194, posted at 13.03.16 22:24:53 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 193) : Sure is fun to see how the streamers groupies has such a hard time accepting their defeat.

    They’re so stuck on this penalty try, and they clearly can’t see just how average their team actually is.

    I have a suspicion that things will only get worse for the streamers. They need to buckle up.

  • Comment 195, posted at 13.03.16 22:32:45 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • This while intentional/accidental thing is surely not the way to go in this debate, is it? Then that line of thinking would have to be extended to all other areas of the game! So if a tackler tackles an opponent and unintentionally falls on the wrong side of the ruck and can’t get away, then he shouldn’t be blown for preventing the ball coming out? In that area and plenty of others it would make the game impossible to officiate and would exponentially increase the debates about decisions immediately. No. I’m not convinced Kolisi did not display some intention in this case, particularly in terms of putting in a stretch with his foot to stop Reinach. I am convinced bringing “intention of the player who is committing a foul” into it will make it impossible to objectively officiate rugby games…

  • Comment 196, posted at 13.03.16 22:33:44 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Big fan of Kaplan and never saw him blow a biased game, but he needs to stop drinking and tweeting. He’s making himself look like a real doos.

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 195) : Look, they have a very easy group to get out of, so I’m pretty sure they will get that right. But they are not making a friend of me with all this. I can also have a go at a ref for obvious mistakes, but this is no obvious mistake and professional people are acting like children. That just boggles my mind!

  • Comment 198, posted at 13.03.16 22:39:07 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Kaplan now claiming the TMO should have picked up Reinach’s ‘second movement’ and alerted the on-field ref. Also reckons the TMO has a very simple job. No pressure at all I guess. I’m going to stop reading because it’s heading from bizarre to ridiculous now.

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 197) : Yup…spot on…

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 197) :hahahahaha !!!

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 198) : @vanmartin (Comment 199) : must say ja it boggels the mind as to why he’s so determined to “prove” that an incorrect decision was made!!! For me JK is losing all credibility in this argument and all it will end up showing is his bias towards the Stormers!!!

  • Comment 202, posted at 13.03.16 22:54:47 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 202) : it would be ok if his reasoning made just a smidgen of sense but it doesn’t. Man I’m beginning to think better to let people think you’re smart until you open your mouth and prove them wrong as far as Kaplan is concerned!

  • Comment 203, posted at 13.03.16 22:57:40 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 197) : scratch my previous comment, drunk tweeting is the simplest explanation.

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 204) : :lol:

  • Comment 205, posted at 13.03.16 23:22:25 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 182) : In my second year(2007),all the second years in the hostel went to go watch the game at newlands. Think I wearing a sharks jersey or t-shirt every day for a week after that!

  • Comment 206, posted at 14.03.16 06:19:13 by HeinF Reply

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  • Does anyone know where a person can get individual player’s tackle stats? I’m really curious to see the data on André Esterhuizen. In particular I’d like to see the number of tackle attempts, number of successful tackles made, and also how many of his tackles resulted in bone fractures, concussion, internal organ rupture or indelible mental scarring among his opponents…

  • Comment 207, posted at 14.03.16 06:59:48 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 206) : are you again wearing Sharks shirt for the rest of this week? :twisted:

  • Comment 208, posted at 14.03.16 07:44:21 by JD Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 207) : my only concern is his technique. He really needs to make sure he does not lift and tip players!

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 207) :
    :lol: I am seriously impressed this year. He is such a beast of a man and has completely shut down his channel. Distribution and handling is also much improved.

    @JD (Comment 209) :

    I think it’s largely his power that he need to control as opposed to a real technique issue: he just has such a big leg drive into the midriff. But you are right and he needs to watch that.

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 210) : I do believe we may finally have the true heir to the throne vacated by Pieter Muller

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 210) : technique or power just hope Omar & co can get it sorted!

  • Comment 212, posted at 14.03.16 08:21:11 by JD Reply
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  • My 3 cents after watching this game and being interrupted by a telemarketer halfway through. This was by no means champagne rugby but a hard grafted win. We got pretty lucky with the TMO decision so we kinda are owed a shocker against us now. The Sharks are by no means the best team in the whole comp but what i have noticed from last year is that the backs and forwards are much better organised and so to is the defense. I just wonder how much of that is down to the Sharks actually having a decent backline and defense coach now so Gold cant purely work with the forwards (which he is good at). Just my thoughts…

  • Comment 213, posted at 14.03.16 08:28:07 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 212) :
    Absolutely. I just meant that I don’t think he’s inherently reckless or should change his approach too much.

    @Culling Song (Comment 211) :
    I’d even dare to say that his tackle ferocity is Honiballesque… too far? :oops:

  • Comment 214, posted at 14.03.16 08:31:59 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 214) : As long as we’re not making comparisons to Butch ‘shoulder-charge’ James

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  • @HeinF (Comment 206) : :lol:

  • Comment 216, posted at 14.03.16 08:38:45 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 207) : He was a monster…

  • Comment 217, posted at 14.03.16 08:40:43 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 209) : Yup…just needs to watch that…

  • Comment 218, posted at 14.03.16 08:41:24 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 214) : Too far. There was, is, and will ever only be one Honiball.

    On a unrelated tangent, I was also really pleasantly surprised to see how the Sharks’ approach to the game rendered PSDT (that’s Please Stop Defecting du Toit to his friends) virtually anonymous this weekend…

  • Comment 219, posted at 14.03.16 08:42:15 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 218) : Though watching him put Schalk on his behind was worth the penalty… :grin:

  • Comment 220, posted at 14.03.16 08:42:20 by pastorshark Reply
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  • We might have ourselves a hybrid….

    Honeyball X Pieter Muller = So much pain

  • Comment 221, posted at 14.03.16 08:42:33 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 220) : …and we got to see Schalk whinge for the umpteenth time – pure poetry.

  • Comment 222, posted at 14.03.16 08:48:17 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 219) :
    LOVE IT!!!

    @vanmartin (Comment 215) :
    Don’t you mean Butch “Venus de Milo” James? :wink:

  • Comment 223, posted at 14.03.16 08:52:21 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 222) : Hahahahaha…aaaahahaha! Too sweet…
    I must stop it now…really!

  • Comment 224, posted at 14.03.16 08:56:29 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 223) : Well played :mrgreen:

  • Comment 225, posted at 14.03.16 08:59:11 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Jonker standing up for himself insisting on the argument aired repeatedly on here…intention should not come into it…
    http://www.sarugbymag.co.za/blog/details/jonker-kaplan-disagree-on-penalty-try

  • Comment 226, posted at 14.03.16 09:03:35 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 223) : Too clever

  • Comment 227, posted at 14.03.16 09:05:28 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • The Stormers got hyped up so much by the Cape loving media. Has there ever been two more annoying persons on a rugby field than Schalk and De Jong? And the way the Stormers players ganged up on the Ref after the penalty try showed that they have just as little respect for the ref as soccer players.

  • Comment 228, posted at 14.03.16 09:05:51 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • I’d like to take this opportunity to congratulate the boys for their hard fought and well deserved victory on Saturday and the preparation put in by the entire coaching staff. Our boys won the mini battles hands down. Our commitment and physicality was too much for the Stormers to handle. There is definitely something special going on at the Sharks and I am loving what I see. As I said earlier on in the year, the fact that we pay all the NZ teams this year is the motivation required to ensure that our game is at a level in terms of pace and intensity that can match that of NZ teams. This if channelled properly can give us an edge over fellow SA sides. I think we saw this on Saturday especially considering were the Stormers in terms of their progress. This coming Saturday’s game is going to be tense. The Bulls are a different beast in Pretoria. We need to prepare well for that game. Is it a coincidence that our game seems to flow better whenever we have Claasens at 9? Last but not least….the penalty try was 100% valid. The gap between Siya’s legs was too pronounced.

  • Comment 229, posted at 14.03.16 09:12:53 by GreatSharksays Reply

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    Easy on there lad! This is a family site!

  • Comment 230, posted at 14.03.16 09:22:46 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Well I’ll be damned; Keo is spouting compliments over the Sharks!

    http://m.sarugbymag.co.za/index.php?postslug=&slug=#golds-getting-it-right

  • Comment 231, posted at 14.03.16 09:27:35 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 194) : Actually, Kaplan did try to justify why. Besides the Case of Kolisi’s Foot, he said the try should never have been awarded, because “at the previous ruck Reinach had kicked the ball back into the ruck (which should have been penalised) and also that Reinach was held in the tackle so propelling himself forward using his arm should have been a penalty to the Stormers.”

    So basically the Stormers got screwed over big time according to Kaplan. :roll:

  • Comment 232, posted at 14.03.16 09:30:57 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 232) : you get the feeling JK just doesn’t like Cobus Reinach?

  • Comment 233, posted at 14.03.16 09:48:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 231) : I saw that… :shock: and seemingly admitting that he was wrong…

  • Comment 234, posted at 14.03.16 09:50:27 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 232) : Ag shame… :mrgreen:

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  • @robdylan (Comment 233) : I don’t have an issue with Kaplan’s views…I was just flabbergasted by his emotional outbursts and name-calling last night! Why is he so emotionally invested in this?!

  • Comment 236, posted at 14.03.16 09:54:10 by pastorshark Reply
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  • The best thing about this Sharks team is that every week some one else puts up his hand,when it is needed most
    This week it was J.P who for 30 sec,reminded everyone who had berated him, of just how spectacular an asset he really is.
    I think his problem is too much rugby,he never ever gets a rest he came straight into super rugby from a full Japanese season.
    It must be so hard to motivate yourself week after week .
    I think it is easy to doubt his motivation,but one look at how he mowed down the entire Stormers backline should shut up a lot of those who doubt his ability.

  • Comment 237, posted at 14.03.16 10:00:39 by The hound Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 234) : Keo is just softening Gary up so it will be easier to stick the knife in later.

  • Comment 238, posted at 14.03.16 10:01:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 215) : @Big Fish (Comment 214) : the problem for me is he’s getting a reputation for lifting player and he needs to get it out of his game quickly before the idea is set in the minds of the refs!

  • Comment 239, posted at 14.03.16 10:12:26 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 238) : The sad part is that’s probably true!!

  • Comment 240, posted at 14.03.16 10:13:19 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 221) : with just a tiny bit of Butch mixed in!!!!!! :twisted:

  • Comment 241, posted at 14.03.16 10:17:47 by JD Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 240) : it’s definitely true. The leopard does not change his stripes

  • Comment 242, posted at 14.03.16 10:18:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 242) : rather the Hyena does not change his underpants

  • Comment 243, posted at 14.03.16 10:20:28 by The hound Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 232) : @robdylan (Comment 233) : yes but I’m sure Cobus did not intend to do it so it’s ok!!!!!!!

  • Comment 244, posted at 14.03.16 10:21:11 by JD Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 231) : @robdylan (Comment 238) : that same article contains this little gem of a line: “…just like Robbie Fleck’s introduction as Stormers Super Rugby coach has screamed with positives.”

    Screamed! Lest we forget. Strange to read that when some of the other journalists are seriously worried about the Stormers’ attack being limited as in seasons past.

  • Comment 245, posted at 14.03.16 10:22:13 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 243) : Niiiiice one!

  • Comment 246, posted at 14.03.16 10:23:04 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 243) : I doubt that oke wears underpants.

  • Comment 247, posted at 14.03.16 10:23:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 244) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 248, posted at 14.03.16 10:26:20 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 245) : That line caused me to do a :shock:

  • Comment 249, posted at 14.03.16 10:27:54 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 21) : “Where is Bosch?” now that is more of a mystery than the turnaround in the Sharks of 2016 as opposed to the 2015 version.

  • Comment 250, posted at 14.03.16 10:30:14 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 250) : disappeared up his own ass, it appears. Making a big noise on Facebook about how he was going to be supporting the Stormers this weekend…. yet appears strangely quiet on the topic this week.

  • Comment 251, posted at 14.03.16 10:48:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 251) : More feel good news… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 252, posted at 14.03.16 10:51:31 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 251) : :shock: Who pissed on his battery, I thought after Plum went he would be a happy camper.

  • Comment 253, posted at 14.03.16 10:54:30 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 253) : not sure mate. He never said a word to me, just one day started popping up to post bitchy personal attacks as his only contribution. Sad ending, but maybe there’s another tiger who can’t change his spots.

  • Comment 254, posted at 14.03.16 10:55:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 250) : @Ice (Comment 21) : Bosch should be with the Impi?!?!?!

  • Comment 255, posted at 14.03.16 10:59:09 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 255) : Not the same Bosch, actually the one we are referring to went to school in…….wait for it……………..Kroonstad. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 256, posted at 14.03.16 11:01:44 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 254) : :lol: Ja, nee, sometimes you have to have a very thick skin to remain a happy blogger, or even just a blogger.

  • Comment 257, posted at 14.03.16 11:04:26 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 256) : ok luckily for me I was schooled in KZN!!!!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 258, posted at 14.03.16 11:20:18 by JD Reply
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  • http://m.sport24.co.za/sport24/Rugby/SuperRugby/5-talking-points-super-rugby-week-3-20160314-2
    In talking point 1: “Those may be the rules, but…” What the hell?! What sort of statement is that?! Those may be the rules, but…harumph!

  • Comment 259, posted at 14.03.16 11:25:00 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 259) : Maybe an amendment of the law is necessary…maybe, maybe maybe…but the TMO is surely not the guy to take such an amendment into his own hands…

  • Comment 260, posted at 14.03.16 11:29:37 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Sport24 is just so chock full of rubbish this morning, it’s frightening.

    Not unusual, though.

  • Comment 261, posted at 14.03.16 11:30:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 261) : Just crazy…

  • Comment 262, posted at 14.03.16 11:31:31 by pastorshark Reply
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  • man, seeing pictures of Marcell hanging out with Eben and Pieter-Steph this weekend takes a bit of the gloss off. Just a bit.

  • Comment 263, posted at 14.03.16 11:32:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 263) : Marcell and PSdT sharing signing bonus figures I’m sure.

  • Comment 264, posted at 14.03.16 11:33:42 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 259) : And this oke says that the penalty try was the determining factor…come on, that is a bit of a stretch. The Sharks deserved to win and were really hungry. Personally I reckon if that hadn’t been awarded we would still have found a way to win. The fact that very few scribes can actually even contemplate that in their eagerness to rant about that penalty try just makes the win so much sweeter by the minute…

  • Comment 265, posted at 14.03.16 11:35:25 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 263) : Eben was Marcel’s best man at his wedding,no surprise there.

  • Comment 266, posted at 14.03.16 11:35:26 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 266) : ja, I know they’re all very good mates, but it just grates me a bit. I want to see Marcell celebrating the win with his teammates, not heading off to Doos du Toits’s damn wine farm to hobnob with the opposition.

    Yes, I know I am blowing this out of proportion, but it just irks me.

  • Comment 267, posted at 14.03.16 11:37:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 267) : Marcel is spoken for, e’s gone,just be thankful its not the twins going on a wine tasting

  • Comment 268, posted at 14.03.16 11:47:06 by The hound Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 261) : Oh dear Lord, I ventured on there out of curiosity after your statement, saw that Gold had to reassure the media that the Sharks aren’t automatically conference favourites now. Should’ve heeded your advise.

  • Comment 269, posted at 14.03.16 12:19:53 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 270) : I’m sorry, but WHAT? What is that article even? Nee jinne, those guys are lost. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 271, posted at 14.03.16 12:32:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 269) : TWICE! They asked him the exact same question twice.

  • Comment 272, posted at 14.03.16 12:33:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 268) : yes, you are right. Time for me to breathe deeply and get on with my life.

  • Comment 273, posted at 14.03.16 12:38:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • I am surprised by Flecks reaction to the Sharks kicking on the Stormers back three, like I said most of the week, this was an obvious way to attack them. You have a 20 year old, extremely talented as he may be, and then two other tiny 80kg men at the back. Bomb them all day long, kick in behind them all day long and make them play, make them run at a solid line of defence. Rugby is certainly not all about size, but in this day and age, you can’t have every single player in the back three around the 80kg mark, it just does not work.

    The Stormers need something different in the back 3 – the can only attack on front foot ball, once confronted by a pressure in your face defence, they seem to melt

  • Comment 274, posted at 14.03.16 12:46:54 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Ice (Comment 270) : @robdylan (Comment 271) : some people like to live in the past!! they can review it as much as they like the result will still be Sharks victory!!!!!!!! Time for the to build a bridge and get over it!!!

  • Comment 275, posted at 14.03.16 12:48:56 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 273) : Rob, just a quick one on the Sharks style of play, well incredible on defence, are you worried at all about playing against the NZ teams who might exploit us eventually on attack? Ie, you can’t simply defend all the time?

    I heard Inno had a blinder on Friday and I would like to see him given a chance, he is deadly on attack

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  • @robdylan (Comment 271) : For some reason it gives an error when you click on the link. Go check out my facebook – I have shared it on my timeline.

  • Comment 277, posted at 14.03.16 12:49:58 by Ice Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 267) : @The hound (Comment 268) : yes Rob think we all feel that’s the way to go but yes Marcell decided to go to the wine farm. Like the Hound said he’s going and let’s be glad he did not take Joe or the twins with him to the wine farm! :twisted:

  • Comment 278, posted at 14.03.16 12:53:02 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 273) : time for a nice cup of java!!!!

  • Comment 279, posted at 14.03.16 12:54:37 by JD Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 277) : really don’t care how much they look at it as it will not change the result!!!! Sharks won and they better get use to it!!!

  • Comment 280, posted at 14.03.16 12:58:04 by JD Reply
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  • Okay so after wading into this a bit over the weekend and listening to all that wanted to give an opinion (and there was loads ;) ) here is my two cents on THAT try.

    I am going to ignore Kaplan’s claim of the double movement, because I did not even pick that up and could not be arsed to go look again. Just on that, saw a post earlier to the effect of the TMO was not allowed to judge on the double movement or advise the ref – he actually is just for clarity, if the ball carrier committed an offence in the act of scoring the try he may advise. Double movement is in the act. But it is a moot point.

    I think the most talked about aspect of this is the ‘intent’ of the action which has a direct consequence on the outcome and decision.

    Let me just state quite simply I don’t think there was deliberate intent, BUT that does not change the call – well sort of.

    Whether Kolisi did it (dislodge the ball from Cobus’ hands with his leg or foot) by accident does not change the fact that he still illegally prevented the player from scoring a try. What makes this difficult is to judge the intent to use his leg, or just wanting to plant his foot on the ground. But bottom line is that his leg was in motion, it did dislodge the ball from Cobus’ hands which prevented what would have certainly been a try – end of story, end of discussion.

    Where Jonker got it wrong in my opinion is judging that he wilfully kicked at the ball – or in other words, committed foul play.

    And this is where refs should use discretion. Foul play is a deliberate act on the part of the offending player. Now people will say how should refs guess intent? Well they do it all the time and for most part they get it right. An example, the tackle on Schalk solely blown on the letter of the law is a yellow card. But it is clear that momentum and a couple of other factors was at play and the correct call was made by Berry to say he was happy with it.

    Accident or no accident, a penalty try is the correct call – should Kolisi have been binned? Not in my opinion, it was a clumsy mistake.

    As far as the Stormers go I have two things to say. Fleck will quickly realise that it is not joke to coach the Stormers – especially after they lose their second home game this season.

    Secondly, the Stormers was so intent on making a ‘physical’ statement they forgot to play rugby. I could see it when Eben cleaned one of the DuP brothers out (legally) being more concerned about talking trash than recoiling and getting back on his feet.

    As for Schalk, the amazing player that he is, he must decide whether he wants to make running commentary during the game or actually play. Otherwise he should trade his boots in now for a suit and tie and a position at SuperSport.

    I hope Rob now realise why I said to him prior to the start of the season that the Sharks is the only team in SA with a remote chance of success in this year’s comp.

    You sorted the basics out, starting with the defence and that WILL win you tournaments. Add to how they stepped up in the set phases and not to mention the guys still in the wings waiting to come back (depth) and it is actually quite simple to see why I back them as the only team with a remote chance.

  • Comment 281, posted at 14.03.16 13:00:48 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 281) : Ohhhh, NOU stem jy saam… :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 282, posted at 14.03.16 13:12:41 by Ice Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 281) : Morne, what’s your take on the grasscutter tackle by Dan du Preez? I’m a huge Dan fan but I hope that the last tackle of that kind we see from him or any other player for that matter. Accident or not, other factors at play or not, that’s career-endingly dangerous. What do you reckon should the call should be in a case like that?

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 283) : You dont think he slipped whilst going in for a tackle??? :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: I thought he was bloody lucky to walk away without a card.

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  • @Morné (Comment 281) :
    When I saw the length I knew who the poster was before even reading the name. :lol:

  • Comment 285, posted at 14.03.16 13:21:49 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 284) : Agreed, regardless of whether it was accidental, I reckon he was damn lucky not be carded. It should be punished regardless of intent so that players and coaches become more aware of it and hopefully its completely eradicated before it becomes a trend. Basically, punish it for the good of the game.

  • Comment 286, posted at 14.03.16 13:26:54 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 270) : @robdylan (Comment 271) : Aiaiai. I read this and just thought: Jeepers, these guys are tossers. You lose a game to a side who tackled you to pieces and whose defence you couldn’t unlock with your bland attack and who kicked on your tiny back three…and your response is: Well, the focus of our match review will be whether their number 6 executed his 4 turnovers legally!!! My word, I hope you plonkers don’t make it out of your pool…

  • Comment 287, posted at 14.03.16 13:32:02 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 274) : At 80kgs you’re overstating their weight… :lol:

  • Comment 288, posted at 14.03.16 13:33:20 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 275) : Review is crucial…but for pete’s sake review your OWN bloody performance!!!

  • Comment 289, posted at 14.03.16 13:34:38 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 286) : For sure! We need consistency, we all want that, even if it is for or against us. That is why asking a ref to make a decisions based on his subject opinion will be a huge mistake.

  • Comment 290, posted at 14.03.16 13:36:48 by Ice Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 281) : Spot on…that was my take…penalty try yes, card was harsh…

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 291) : Same, but in the end, does a penalty try not “warrant” a Yellow? Is it not a given that in such instance a card must be issued?

  • Comment 292, posted at 14.03.16 13:42:53 by Ice Reply
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  • http://www.rugby365.com/laws-referees/law-discussions/71734-law-discussion-best-foot-forward I love how Paul Dobson explains the rules here and in the same breath has a sneaky smack towards Cowley and Skinstadt.

  • Comment 293, posted at 14.03.16 14:38:58 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 292) : I’ve missed you here!

    Re your question – have a look at this:

    http://www.rugby365.com/laws-referees/law-discussions/71734-law-discussion-best-foot-forward

  • Comment 294, posted at 14.03.16 14:39:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 294) : ja, I mos your flower!! LOL Nice to be back!

  • Comment 295, posted at 14.03.16 14:51:04 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 295) : Glad to have you back!

  • Comment 296, posted at 14.03.16 14:53:08 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 294) : Wow! So I am not just a pretty face afterall!! Thanks for clearing that! Hope they ask him in Superugby tonight as well, because my dad reckons he will wait for the experts as he disagrees with me! Hehe

  • Comment 297, posted at 14.03.16 15:00:54 by Ice Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 296) : thanks! I think my sabbatical was good for me, myself and I.

  • Comment 298, posted at 14.03.16 15:03:34 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 295) : my little honey bee :)

  • Comment 299, posted at 14.03.16 15:12:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 283) :

    Must be a straight yellow. As bad if not worse than a tip tackle.

  • Comment 300, posted at 14.03.16 15:14:51 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 300) : agree with you, but holy f&^k did you hear Skinstad trying to convince Cowley that the Sharks had practised tackling like that, as if it was some sort of strategy?

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  • @robdylan (Comment 301) : Skinstadt is a rick at the best of days. I was watching the game at some english friends of mine, because when I watch I always watch it with afrikaans commentary as most if not all the english commentators are so biased and idiotic, I’d rather listen to Derick Hougaard than Skinstadt any day.

  • Comment 302, posted at 14.03.16 15:29:23 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 292) :

    No, there is not law that says there must be a yellow for a penalty try

  • Comment 303, posted at 14.03.16 15:59:08 by Morné Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 301) :

    It is a tactic many European based teams like to use against the Boks. The less said about certain commentators the better.

  • Comment 304, posted at 14.03.16 16:02:22 by Morné Reply
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  • “We expected that. I didn’t expect anything different from the Sharks, that’s their mind-set,” Fleck offered after the match in response to a question over the Sharks’ tactical kicking.

    “They certainly didn’t try and run at us, and they exploited us with the kicking game. We’re going to face the same thing with the Brumbies so we need to sharpen up there.”

    It was like watching a football manager talk about how his side had dominated a match against opposition that had ‘parked the bus’ – prioritising defence over attack.

    “I can take a huge amount of positives out of this performance … we’re on a different path to them and we certainly will take comfort in the fact that we can build so many phases on attack and put the defence under pressure,” Fleck continued.

    Fleckie putting a positive spin on their inability to penetrate our defense. :lol:

    http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/SuperRugby/fleck-were-on-a-different-path-to-sharks-20160314

  • Comment 305, posted at 14.03.16 16:02:54 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 305) :

    Fleckie is in for a world of hurt with his new position. Wonder if he knows he is the head coach cause no-one else wanted it?

  • Comment 306, posted at 14.03.16 16:08:11 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 306) : Morne, is your boss staying?

  • Comment 307, posted at 14.03.16 16:13:48 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 302) : yip. to be honest my view changed initially when Skinstad came to Sharks and looked to add leadership value. However at last year’s RWC my whole family got a huge dislike of his arrogance and shitty attitude. We had the fortune of going as a family with our parents and our two kids (2 and 5) and watched a few games including two QF games at Twickers. We had Tank and Brenden Nel in our block (cheap seats) and whilst I did not like Nel’s blind defence of Meyer they both were extremely friendly and open to discussions and interactions with the kids.

    After the game the stewards allowed us to use the VIP lifts due to the kids and we met Stransky and Xola and both were true gentlemen and the whole family was invited to the Chrrchil Arms in London. There we met more of the Supersport crew with Matt Pierce and Skinstad being the primary hosts. Skinstad was a real ass and refused to even take pics with the kids and had very few good words for the Bok’s average victory over Wales. For me it was a sad day as I had built him up to the kids as a insanely talented player and good bloke (as he played for the Sharks) only to be really let down.

  • Comment 308, posted at 14.03.16 16:15:23 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 307) :

    Not going anywhere, for now :twisted:

  • Comment 309, posted at 14.03.16 16:18:23 by Morné Reply
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  • @Kabouter (Comment 308) : Only reason he came to the Sharks, was to justify his ticket to the WC in 2007. I also met him here at the Tank and he is an ass, but almost all of the other guys are fairly cool to talk to, my faves being Kobus and Toks

  • Comment 310, posted at 14.03.16 16:18:40 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 303) : Law 10.2: A player who prevents a try being scored through foul play must either be cautioned and temporarily suspended or sent off.

    The law requires that a card, yellow or red, must follow a penalty try. That is what the referee did.

    Apparently there is.

  • Comment 311, posted at 14.03.16 16:20:54 by Ben Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 309) : Cheeky question I know but SA rugby can’t afford to lose him.

  • Comment 312, posted at 14.03.16 16:21:23 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 311) :

    Cautioned (uitkak), temporarily suspended (yellow) or sent off (red).

    I need to re-phrase, it is not uncommon for a player to receive a card, but there is no law saying he must get one.

  • Comment 313, posted at 14.03.16 16:23:20 by Morné Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 312) :

    No they can’t, because many will follow.

  • Comment 314, posted at 14.03.16 16:23:47 by Morné Reply
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  • @Kabouter (Comment 308) : @KingRiaan (Comment 310) : Owen Nkumane is also a lovely guy.

    Remember meeting him in Rustenburg when the Sharks played against the Leopards. We made a bet. The bet was that if the Lions won SupeRugby that year then I had to cut off all my hair and if the Sharks won then he had to grow his hair. Unfortunately nobody won the bet. :)

  • Comment 315, posted at 14.03.16 16:27:03 by Ben Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 313) : Morné, it says cautioned AND suspended OR sent off.

  • Comment 316, posted at 14.03.16 16:28:22 by Ben Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 313) : @Ben (Comment 316) : Cautioned and suspended go together.

  • Comment 317, posted at 14.03.16 16:29:19 by Ben Reply
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  • Yeah it’s definitely either a yellow OR red

  • Comment 318, posted at 14.03.16 16:29:59 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 306) : I think Eddie sends Fleckie a bottle of the best every week.

  • Comment 319, posted at 14.03.16 16:30:23 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 311) : Hi Nephew….here is an IRB Ruling from a referee forum:

    “Ruling Law 10.2(a) is Unfair Play relating to Intentional Offending.
    The two paragraphs in Law 10.2(a) must be read in conjunction, having due regard to the heading ‘Intentionally
    Offending’.
    Therefore, if a penalty try is awarded as the result of a player intentionally offending, then the player must be
    either be cautioned and temporarily suspended or sent off.
    Examples of this would be after penalty tries resulting from:
    • a collapsed scrum
    • a collapsed maul
    • a defending player intentionally offside
    • a defending player intentionally knocking down the ball.
    If a penalty try is awarded as the result of a player unintentionally offending, the player, as well as being liable
    to cautioning and temporary suspension or send off, can be admonished by the referee.
    Examples of this may be after penalty tries resulting from:
    • mistimed tackle (early or late, but not dangerous)
    • unintentional reactionary high tackle, but not dangerous.”

    So a yellow card is not required, but the player is liable to receive one. The only time a yellow is required is an intentional infringement.

  • Comment 320, posted at 14.03.16 16:33:28 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 318) : ummmm not necessarily, see my above post.

  • Comment 321, posted at 14.03.16 16:34:10 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 316) :

    I asked another pro ref, he used the example of a scrum saying it is not necessarily the case.

  • Comment 322, posted at 14.03.16 16:34:28 by Morné Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 316) : Intentional must be yellow or red, unintentional it is only liable for yellow or red, meaning it is not required.

  • Comment 323, posted at 14.03.16 16:37:49 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 322) : Another example is a player trying to legally pull the ball from a potential try scorer’s hands and unintentionally knocking on as a result, preventing the try the result should be a penalty try and the ref may or may not issue a yellow card.

  • Comment 324, posted at 14.03.16 16:41:36 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 323) : Thanks for clearing that up.

  • Comment 325, posted at 14.03.16 16:43:08 by Ben Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 323) : How are you doing, uncle?

  • Comment 326, posted at 14.03.16 16:43:34 by Ben Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 321) : no, I’m responding to #313 there.

  • Comment 327, posted at 14.03.16 16:44:59 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 323) : That ruling makes it a little fairer (the type of fairness Kaplan is seeking). In this case Jonker may have considered it was intentional. He was open to reach that conclusion.

    Even if he concluded it was unintentional, he was also open to suggest a yellow too according to that ruling.

    I do not believe it is so clear that Kolisi was acting unintentionally… but that’s my personal view.

  • Comment 328, posted at 14.03.16 16:48:04 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • Law 15.6 (j) When a tackled player reaches out to ground the ball on or over the goal-line to score a try, an opponent may pull the ball from the player’s possession, but must not kick or attempt to kick the ball.
    Sanction: Penalty kick

    Law 22.4 (h) Penalty try. A penalty try is awarded if a try would probably have been scored but for foul play by the defending team.

    What I can’t really understand is this. Look how these two laws contradict each other. Law 22.4 clearly says that a penalty try should be awarded when a probable try was prevented by foul play, but law 15.6 says that the sanction is a penalty kick. :roll:

  • Comment 329, posted at 14.03.16 16:50:07 by Ben Reply
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  • For all the talk of the Lions playing this wonderful attacking rugby, they’ve only scored 1 more try than the Sharks? :shock:

  • Comment 330, posted at 14.03.16 16:52:34 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 320) : BUT yet we never see cards dished out after a penalty try is awarded for a collapsed scrum. Is the ref supposed to show a yellow card to all of the forwards? ;)

  • Comment 331, posted at 14.03.16 16:52:46 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 329) : No they support each other, if a player is short and attempts to reach out and ground the ball over the goal line but is well short of the line, and the defending player were to kick it out of his hands, the result would be penalty kick and not penalty try, since a probable try would not have been scored.

    I am well Nephew and you? Happy Birthday! a day late sorry.

  • Comment 332, posted at 14.03.16 16:54:39 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 320) :

    What the bear said.

  • Comment 333, posted at 14.03.16 16:55:41 by Morné Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 328) : The TMO and ref decided it was intentional (as far as I can remember). So if that’s the case then the yellow card was the correct decision. If the ref deemed it unintentional, then the yellow card would have been the wrong decision.

  • Comment 334, posted at 14.03.16 16:55:59 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 331) : You send off the hooker, he is always responsible for anything the fowards do together. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 335, posted at 14.03.16 16:58:13 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 332) : Thanks a lot.

    That’s not the way I see it. It clearly says, “When a tackled player reaches out to ground the ball on or over the goal-line”. It doesn’t say anything about being short of the line.

  • Comment 336, posted at 14.03.16 16:59:38 by Ben Reply
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  • DISCLAIMER: Anything I have posted in this thread and others in no way is a commentary on any specific incident from any specific match, all comments are 100% hypothetical. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 337, posted at 14.03.16 17:00:38 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 335) : :lol:

  • Comment 338, posted at 14.03.16 17:02:11 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 334) :

    Jonker’s words were ‘intentional’ so left the ref with no choice.

  • Comment 339, posted at 14.03.16 17:02:58 by Morné Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 336) : When a tackled player reaches out to ground the ball on or over the goal-line……he is reaching out to do exactly that, his intent is to do that, but his judgment was slightly off and he was 3 inches short!!!!!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 340, posted at 14.03.16 17:03:00 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 336) : Or are you being intentionally contrary with your uncle??? ;-)

  • Comment 341, posted at 14.03.16 17:04:55 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 339) : Indeed.

  • Comment 342, posted at 14.03.16 17:05:22 by Ben Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 340) : They contradict each other. You haven’t convinced me otherwise.

    Let’s just agree to contradict each other on this point. :)

  • Comment 343, posted at 14.03.16 17:08:37 by Ben Reply
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  • RECAP: Decision to award penalty try was absolutely correct and is not debatable.
    Decision that the act was intentional and therefore requires a yellow card can definitely be questioned and debated. It is not debatable that the ref and TMO got the laws spot on, and the only question was the subjective decision of whether it was intentional or not. I think that covers it……NOW THE BULLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 344, posted at 14.03.16 17:10:45 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 343) : why do you think there is a lawyer profession?

    There are entire text books written on statutory interpretation.

  • Comment 345, posted at 14.03.16 17:11:18 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 343) : I see so you’re being intentionally contrary then. ;-) :mrgreen: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 346, posted at 14.03.16 17:11:52 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 344) : determining intention will always be tricky.

  • Comment 347, posted at 14.03.16 17:12:00 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 322) : You were right all along, Morné. Next time I will know better than just to throw snippets out of the law book at you. :lol:

  • Comment 348, posted at 14.03.16 17:13:28 by Ben Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 344) : Yeah, after watching it a few times yesterday, I said that I felt the penalty try was fair, but the yellow card was harsh.

  • Comment 349, posted at 14.03.16 17:15:13 by Ben Reply
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  • Funny because the more I watched the replay the more convinced I was that Kolisi knew exactly what he was doing. Instinctive.

  • Comment 350, posted at 14.03.16 17:16:21 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 348) :

    Jeez dude, you need a doctorate to completely understand the law-book… Absolutely no worries – now you all know I back the Sharks this season as the best hope SA has – good luck! :twisted:

  • Comment 351, posted at 14.03.16 17:16:36 by Morné Reply
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  • It’s a shame this debacle has detracted from the Sharks win.

  • Comment 352, posted at 14.03.16 17:18:10 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 346) : It’s unintentional, I promise you! :lol:

  • Comment 353, posted at 14.03.16 17:18:51 by Ben Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 351) : Dude! :twisted:

  • Comment 354, posted at 14.03.16 17:20:34 by Ben Reply
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  • Funny though how SA Referees then stated in their reply that a card will automatically follow a penalty try. Who is wrong, who is right?

  • Comment 355, posted at 14.03.16 17:22:33 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 355) : I think the law book is always right. :twisted:

  • Comment 356, posted at 14.03.16 17:24:54 by Ben Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 351) : Morras?!? No man!!

  • Comment 357, posted at 14.03.16 17:25:00 by Ice Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 352) :

    Only for Stormers supporters – they fail to highlight they were dominated at set phases, the breakdown, and required a miracle play to score their only try.

    Fleckie and the Stormers are trying to selling their fans a Daniel Steele romance version of the way they want to play the game, it’s great if you want to escape reality, but rugby requires a hard hitting factual drama if you want real value.

    If I want pretty I watch women’s tennis.

  • Comment 358, posted at 14.03.16 17:25:42 by Morné Reply
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  • Well then the yellow was correct call. Following foul play which results in a penalty try. Foul play does not neccesssarily mean intentional foul play. @ Ben

  • Comment 359, posted at 14.03.16 17:27:43 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 359) : Read Comment 320 and 323.

  • Comment 360, posted at 14.03.16 17:29:44 by Ben Reply
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  • Ja, but apparently he did rule it as intentional according to Morne, for one, so on this instance the yellow is warranted then.

  • Comment 361, posted at 14.03.16 17:35:49 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 361) : In this instance, yes.

  • Comment 362, posted at 14.03.16 17:38:59 by Ben Reply
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  • Here is one for guys not tired of law interpretations…

    The definition of a kick “a kick is made by hitting the ball with any part of the leg or foot, except the heel, and from knee to toe, but not including the knee.”

    My question is what is the difference of using your leg (knee to toe) to prevent a player from grounding the ball, eg, he grounds the ball on your shin which you deliberately put in the way same way as folks using their arms or any other part of their body (and I have seen this many times)?

    In other words, you ground the ball on the leg or foot deliberately put in the way of you grounding it on the turf.

  • Comment 363, posted at 14.03.16 17:44:03 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 363) : There should be no difference, I guess. It should also be a penalty try then.

  • Comment 364, posted at 14.03.16 17:48:24 by Ben Reply
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  • Sorry Morras, I actually just watched the replay. Refs question was “was it disloged from the players hands?” Marius replied that he will check. Marius replied that it was a clear kick out of his hands which would have probably prevented a try” he ruled on that. Never did the ref, nor Marius state it was intentional. So they ruled on that. The only person saying anything about an accident was Schalk and by bitching like he was the Captain I guess the ref did not even hear him. Kolisi said he was tackling. Did not look like he was in any sort of tackle. Im sorry.

  • Comment 365, posted at 14.03.16 17:50:17 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 365) :

    Clear kick out of his hand = intention. I apologise because I was positive I heard intention but clearly heard something that meant the same thing.

  • Comment 366, posted at 14.03.16 17:52:50 by Morné Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 364) :

    I love uncle Paul on 365 – but saying refs are not mind-readers is dangerous, because they gauge intention all the time when penalising and sending folks off.

  • Comment 367, posted at 14.03.16 17:53:53 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 363) : because Kolisi was not ingoal, he was outside. Liok ar the foota

  • Comment 368, posted at 14.03.16 18:01:44 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 368) :

    But the law does not specify area or am I not reading this correctly? It is about the action, the kick, or ‘in the act of scoring’ like high tackle in-goal or not?

  • Comment 369, posted at 14.03.16 18:05:27 by Morné Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 350) : Same here. When it happened I thought he and the Stormers were unlucky, but watching the replays today has convinced me that Kolisi knew exactly what he was doing. His last stride was just too unnaturally big and he was looking at the exact spot where his foot and the ball connected.

  • Comment 370, posted at 14.03.16 18:11:36 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • I have a clear picture too just dont know how to post it here. If Kolisi was ingoal, then I could understand that reasoning.

  • Comment 371, posted at 14.03.16 18:14:15 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 371) : you have a URL to the picture? Or if not, you want to email it to me?

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  • Ill whatsapp u

  • Comment 373, posted at 14.03.16 18:31:48 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 371) : @robdylan (Comment 372) : would be nice if someone has a sequence of pictures re: the incident.

  • Comment 374, posted at 14.03.16 18:33:58 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 292) : The law says a player has to be “cautioned” or carded. I assume cautioning means talking to the offender? I think it should be possible to award a penalty try without awarding a card.

  • Comment 375, posted at 14.03.16 18:35:43 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 365) : im quite sure the ref’s initial question to the tmo was to check for a kick.

  • Comment 376, posted at 14.03.16 18:37:38 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • Actually,instead of questioning the yellow-card,the ref needs some recognition for asking the right question to the tmo.and then recognition for the tmo to get the call right.nothing wrong with the awarding of the penalty try and subsequent yellow card.

  • Comment 377, posted at 14.03.16 18:42:52 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 292) : Aha, apologies…reading Paul Dobson’s article I see was wrong with my previous comment. I stand corrected…

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  • @robdylan (Comment 301) : As irritating as he as always been, Skinstad fell several rungs further down in my estimation on Saturday…

  • Comment 380, posted at 14.03.16 18:46:28 by pastorshark Reply
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  • I send a videoclip re the question asked. I’ll ask Rob to upload if possible. Sorry for footage, took it off my TV.

  • Comment 381, posted at 14.03.16 18:48:02 by Ice Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 378) : player was looking at reinach in the act of scoring the try.that explains the desperate last lunge and boot out in the air to the ball.intentional action due to panic.

  • Comment 382, posted at 14.03.16 18:50:23 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 313) : That is what I thought too…Paul Dobson obviously thinks that “caution” means “card”…

  • Comment 383, posted at 14.03.16 18:50:33 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 316) : Ah thanks for that…that is the answer…the AND…so it had to be a card. Thanks for clarifying that!

  • Comment 384, posted at 14.03.16 18:55:33 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 384) : :mrgreen: maybe start from the bottom and read up? :lol:

  • Comment 385, posted at 14.03.16 18:57:17 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 383) : my take is that was intentional and the yellow card was the correct action taken by the ref.imo the ref and tmo are unfairly being put in the dock..both decisions were 100% correct.

  • Comment 386, posted at 14.03.16 18:58:20 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 320) : Ah, thanks for that…so I am learning a lot tonight. What is clear to me is that the penalty try was a valid decision, the commentators were being twats, Jonathan Kaplan lost his rag on twitter for no good reason and the Sharks still won! :grin:

  • Comment 387, posted at 14.03.16 18:58:57 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 385) : :lol:

  • Comment 388, posted at 14.03.16 18:59:53 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 387) : excellent summation!

  • Comment 389, posted at 14.03.16 19:01:44 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 384) : Keep going. You’ll get to the conclusion EVENTUALLY. :lol:

  • Comment 390, posted at 14.03.16 19:02:08 by Ben Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 350) : You and I were saying that yesterday already…watch, slow it down and it seems quite clear: shimmy, shimmy, stretch straight at the ball in the hand of a player he had no hope of tackling and looking straight at it. For me it is more and more cut and dry and the response of the commentators more and more idiotic…

  • Comment 391, posted at 14.03.16 19:07:25 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 390) : I reached my conclusion yesterday after countless replays and stated it on here…now I’m just trying to catch up on all the views of what the law actually says about different aspects…I’ll get there eventually! :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 392, posted at 14.03.16 19:09:17 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 389) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 393, posted at 14.03.16 19:10:06 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Comment 394, posted at 14.03.16 19:12:34 by Ice Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 344) : Thanks for the recap…that’s where I should have started… :lol:

  • Comment 395, posted at 14.03.16 19:13:33 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Could you see the video?

  • Comment 396, posted at 14.03.16 19:17:15 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 396) : Yes, thanks.

  • Comment 397, posted at 14.03.16 19:18:48 by Ben Reply
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  • just don’t ever say I don’t love you guys….

  • Comment 398, posted at 14.03.16 19:20:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • Guys let’s not fight with each other!!! Fact is wrong or right the decision was made by the TMO and the Sharks got 7 points and eventually the victory. No matter who says what the Sharks have the 4 log points!!!
    Good and bad calls tend to equal out over a season or two and before you know it the Sharks will be on the other end so yes let’s move on and not fall for this bitching and moaning game that some people want to play to distract the people from realising that the Sharks coaches totally outcoached the Stormers coaches!!!

  • Comment 399, posted at 14.03.16 19:22:54 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 399) : Who’s fighting? :shock:

  • Comment 400, posted at 14.03.16 19:26:51 by Ben Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 399) : who is fighting?

  • Comment 401, posted at 14.03.16 19:27:17 by Ice Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 399) : who is fighting?

  • Comment 402, posted at 14.03.16 19:27:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • Hahaha!

  • Comment 403, posted at 14.03.16 19:30:48 by Ice Reply
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  • okay my turn…

    who is fighting?

  • Comment 404, posted at 14.03.16 19:40:49 by Morné Reply
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  • What? Who is fighting? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 405, posted at 14.03.16 19:42:07 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 399) : donner! As long as the bad ones does not come our way against the Bulls!!

  • Comment 406, posted at 14.03.16 19:57:04 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 400) : @Ice (Comment 401) : @robdylan (Comment 402) : @Morné (Comment 404) : @pastorshark (Comment 405) : OK I get it fighting might be a bit strong but we do not have to prove that the try was legal Sharks have the log point and no amount of talk will change that. Let the Stormers and their legend cry about it!!!

  • Comment 407, posted at 14.03.16 20:34:40 by JD Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 406) : ja let’s hope it take a couple of years for them to come our way!!!

  • Comment 408, posted at 14.03.16 20:35:46 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 407) :

    You know I will remind you of that comment on the next ‘strange’ call from a ref (which is definitely coming) right? :twisted:

  • Comment 409, posted at 14.03.16 20:39:39 by Morné Reply
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  • Oh wait I missed out, who is fighting? :lol:

  • Comment 410, posted at 14.03.16 20:45:06 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 408) : it is so lekker having a debate when you are not at the receiving end! Let us have fun!????

  • Comment 411, posted at 14.03.16 20:49:01 by Ice Reply
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  • For some reason my smileys end up in question marks!

  • Comment 412, posted at 14.03.16 20:49:57 by Ice Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 409) : by all means. It’s one thing saying you don’t like it and a totally different thing bitching and moaning about it all over cyberspace!!!! Anyway not even the “experts” agree on it so how the hell are we as laymen suppose to decide if it was right or wrong?!?!

  • Comment 413, posted at 14.03.16 20:55:13 by JD Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 411) : for sure have all the fun you want. I’m just totally over this whole thing and it’s really working my last nerves because if the call went the other way I doubt it if they would have had as much to say as they did!!

  • Comment 414, posted at 14.03.16 21:00:58 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 414) : that’s why we are all revelling in it – because the call went our way (rightly) AND because the vast majority of the press in this country are Stormer-biased and squealing like little girls!

  • Comment 415, posted at 14.03.16 21:05:59 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 414) : oh hell, you will run from this site if it was the other way around!! LOL

  • Comment 416, posted at 14.03.16 21:16:30 by Ice Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 413) : we have the same technology as the tmo-tv replay.clear intent.for stating the obvious for the ?th time :D

  • Comment 417, posted at 14.03.16 22:33:50 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 363) : “My question is what is the difference of using your leg (knee to toe) to prevent a player from grounding the ball”

    It’s going to boil down to timing. Get your leg onto the ground and out of the air before the player places the ball there. The ball can’t technically be grounded on your leg while it’s still hovering. Also, it would be awesome if the law included the word ‘hovering’ :grin:

  • Comment 418, posted at 14.03.16 22:37:56 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 409) : nothing strange about 2 correct decisions .did not get the rub of the green.did not get lucky.legitimate penalty try and yellow card.emotion is blowing this all out of proportion.firdslty from the commentators involved in questioning the ref and tmo on such a public forum.why no measures from sanzar or saru oe at least supersport?then it was been taken to social media and media.think the commentators need to learn proper etiquette.their bias got the better of them there,sad to say.need to be professional.the more the replay is viewed ,the more acuurate tmo’s decision beomes.
    Would like to know this re : these “grasscutter tackles”-think they are called.if you go down on one knee or both,you are technically off your feet and can not thenattempt to tackle,right?

  • Comment 419, posted at 14.03.16 22:43:23 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 415) : @Ice (Comment 416) : @50shadesofshark (Comment 417) : ja well to each his own. I’m now done with it because I’ve had enough of it but by all means guys and gals enjoy the debate.

  • Comment 420, posted at 14.03.16 22:44:18 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 407) : It’s called a debate. If you don’t like it then don’t read it. ;)

  • Comment 421, posted at 15.03.16 05:07:03 by Ben Reply
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  • Well I think the cry baby contingent of the stormers will focus on this rather than the fact that they were outmatched in the scrum the lineout ( considering what lock pair they had) and outscored on tries. The more mature fans would probably look at what went wrong and how it can be fixed.

  • Comment 422, posted at 15.03.16 07:02:52 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 418) : :mrgreen: …but fair point…

  • Comment 423, posted at 15.03.16 07:23:37 by pastorshark Reply
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