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Spark to a flame?


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 18 Mar 2016 at 11:19
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Gary Gold will be looking to his fresher players – those who have been rotated into the starting team this week – to step up physically against the Bulls in the first half tonight and provide the sort of spark that can galvanise the others around them.

This seems to be the major thinking behind the rotation policy that’s been employed this week; Gold has indicated that with such a short turnaround between matches and limited time to train as a result, he’s facing an interesting challenge. With plenty of sore bodies in the squad after last week’s bruiser in Cape Town, this match does represent a serious hurdle for the team. So often, after a big physical win, getting up and doing it all over again just six days later can be tough and it could well be a master-stroke involving players who like Kyle Cooper, Lourens Adriaanse and Philip van der Walt from the kick-off.

These are guys, of course, who’ve been patiently waiting three weeks for a starting opportunity and will be champing at the proverbial bit to show what they can do as part of the run-on fifteen.

“The issue with rotation is about stopping the rot early before the guys actually get tired,” said Gold at Wednesday’s press conference. “Soon other guys will be rotated. It is about continually keeping the squad fresh and making sure the load never becomes too much for key players later in the campaign. Also, it is important to point that every one of the new guys starting this week has been playing off the bench and been on the field at the finish of our three games, so there is, in fact, no disruption.”

The above is, of course, mostly true, with one important exception. The way Gold has used his bench in the last few games, it’s been Daniel du Preez who has come off, allowing Philip van der Walt to slot into his natural position at number 8. It remains to be seen just how well van der Walt, at blind side flank, combines with the other du Preez twin, given that the combination will not have had the benefit of a lot of practice time this week. Keegan Daniel may well prove the real trump card here, as his bewildering array of skills allows him to slot in virtually anywhere and plug any gaps that might appear in loose trio synergy.

If I were in Gold’s shoes, though, I’d be planning and hoping to rather let Daniel run in Marcell Coetzee’s place later in the game, assuming the dynamo Bok has done enough to subdue the Bulls loose forwards by that stage. With a big home match against the Crusaders looking, it would make sense to get such a key player off the park for 30 minutes or more, since he’s played every other minute of the season so far.



163 Comments

  • Damn I can’t wait to see Keegan back in the Black and White!

  • Comment 1, posted at 18.03.16 11:29:51 by KingRiaan Reply
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  • Andre Esterhuizen is another concern. He’s put in a huge amount of graft and we don’t really have a decent replacement for him on the bench.

  • Comment 2, posted at 18.03.16 11:39:48 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 2) : Jordaan will go to 12 and JPP will go to 13 if Esterhuizen needs to go off. This comp is pretty brutal week on week so keeping players minds and bodies fresh will be vital. In effect you need 2 sometimes 3 players per position in your squad if you really want to compete

  • Comment 3, posted at 18.03.16 11:48:01 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 1) : @vanmartin (Comment 2) : can’t wait for tonight!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 4, posted at 18.03.16 11:48:01 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 3) : That’s what I reckon too but what I’m worried about is his physical presence goes missing. ‘Decent’ probably isn’t the right adjective, apologies for that.

  • Comment 5, posted at 18.03.16 11:53:42 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 5) : A backline of Reinach, April, Jordaan, JPP, Mvovo, Ndungane , Le Roux would definitely have a different look and feel to the one that started…threats in different areas. With all of Pieterson, LeRoux, Jordaan and even Reinach able to play wing i think having a specialist wing on the bench is probably not the best idea. would have gone with a centre or another utility.

  • Comment 6, posted at 18.03.16 11:59:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 3) : @vanmartin (Comment 5) : Heimar Williams!!!!

  • Comment 7, posted at 18.03.16 12:06:09 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 7) : Yeh would have gone for either him, Deysel or even Sithole on the bench…they cover more than 1 position

  • Comment 8, posted at 18.03.16 12:12:02 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 6) : Fair point.

    @JD (Comment 7) : Big Heimar fan but he offers something different to Esterhuizen. For the Bulls I want a player like Esterhuizen starting.

    EDIT: oh, you mean as a bench option. Yeah, definitely.

  • Comment 9, posted at 18.03.16 12:16:28 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 8) : Deysel is back with the Leopards

  • Comment 10, posted at 18.03.16 12:22:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) : Didn’t he play in friday’s match against the Griquas?

  • Comment 11, posted at 18.03.16 12:29:14 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) : Really? Did the Sharks say no thanks? Interesting if they did. Means they see some or all of JPP, Sithole, Mjekevu as centres

  • Comment 12, posted at 18.03.16 12:31:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 11) : Sheldon (I assume) is talking about Johan Deysel, the centre.

    Jean Deysel, the flank, is definitely still around and did play last Friday.

  • Comment 13, posted at 18.03.16 12:38:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 12) : I think they could bring him back if needed, just that there’s no game time on the horizon for him at the moment and he obviously can’t play CCQ for us, because he’s contracted to them.

  • Comment 14, posted at 18.03.16 12:38:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • Physically speaking there is very little difference between 7 days and 6 for recovery (looking and muscle, and glycogen recovery times).
    However I do think it can have a mental effect, but in that case is it not dumb for the coach to keep bringing it up?

  • Comment 15, posted at 18.03.16 12:56:18 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 8) : @vanmartin (Comment 9) : think Heimar should start if the Sharks decide to rest Andre.

  • Comment 16, posted at 18.03.16 12:58:53 by JD Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 15) : they said they changed their approach to only have one contact session on Tuesday. What I’d like to know is, if they were playing one day later instead, as they might normally do, do they usually have any more contact sessions? What is the normal training schedule?

  • Comment 17, posted at 18.03.16 12:59:08 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 17) : Willie said in his interview that Tuesday is “Test match Tuesday” where they practice defense all day. So who knows what they excluded from their training, if anything.

  • Comment 18, posted at 18.03.16 13:01:58 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 18) : they complained of sore bodies after the Stormers. It was a hard, bruising game. But they must be used to 2 consecutive SA derbies by now, and Friday night games are pretty common too.

  • Comment 19, posted at 18.03.16 13:06:53 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) : Ah ok fair enough then. Interesting to see who lines up for our CC qualifying side at centre then. Im assuming the UKZN centres?

  • Comment 20, posted at 18.03.16 13:12:16 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 16) : I would agree

  • Comment 21, posted at 18.03.16 13:12:43 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 19) : And as I said, physically speaking, there is very little to no difference in recovery between 7 and 6 days, save for bruises but they shouldn’t effect play. So the effect is mental.

    SA coaches have the inability to treat a game as just another game, they always have to find excuses and or worries. It annoys me to no end.

  • Comment 22, posted at 18.03.16 13:13:46 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 20) : Marius Louw

  • Comment 23, posted at 18.03.16 13:22:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • Another music-referencing article title, I see. Sharksworld is on song on that front, I see…

  • Comment 24, posted at 18.03.16 13:22:51 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 22) : I think NZ and Aus coaches and players are generally just a little more canny when replying to media questions too. I cringe at some of the stuff our dof okes say.

  • Comment 25, posted at 18.03.16 13:24:09 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 23) : Ive been impressed the bit ive seen of him. Just needs a haircut

  • Comment 26, posted at 18.03.16 13:26:45 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I think part of the science of coaching is knowing when and how to vary your training routine.

    Doing exactly the same thing every week for 6 months is going to result in mental fatigue and “staleness” for everyone invoked. You do occasionally have to change things up to keep the minds challenged and engaged.

    Coaches also have to be both strategical and tactical; you will plan out your schedule in advance, but need to change it sometimes depending on factors (such as what your injury toll or general level of fatigue looks like after a given match).

    The Sharks didn’t train on Monday this week. That was probably a decision that was taken after the coaches assessed the squad and realised that more harm than good would be done by a full training session after such a tough game. We can all make our own assumptions as to whether the players “should” be battered and bruised after a game like that, but until we’ve played 3 Super Rugby games in a row, I’d think we should rather keep those opinions to ourselves.

    Regarding what Gold says and doesn’t say, it’s also starting to feel a bit like the oke can’t catch a break. If he doesn’t say why he’s done the things he’s done, people assume it’s because he’s an idiot. When he does explain, people say he’s complaining.

  • Comment 27, posted at 18.03.16 13:29:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 22) : ever played a superrugby game?

  • Comment 28, posted at 18.03.16 13:29:54 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • Is this the weekend I obtain my platinum star? No. 39 on the list now :lol:

  • Comment 29, posted at 18.03.16 13:30:05 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 24) : must say, I was hoping it would be picked up earlier than the 24th comment :)

  • Comment 30, posted at 18.03.16 13:30:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 24) : I should have picked up on that. An old room mate of mine only listened to Chris de Burgh, Richard Marx and K’s Choice.

  • Comment 31, posted at 18.03.16 13:32:13 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Fuck, I swear sometimes people look for reasons to complain when there aren’t any.

    Two tough derbies less than a week apart, so the coaches decide to ease up a bit in training and make some rotational changes to keep the squad fresh.

    Please can someone explain to me what the issue is here?

  • Comment 32, posted at 18.03.16 13:32:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 18) : he didnt say the sharks train defence all day on a tuesday.it is called such because of all the tackling the team does.

  • Comment 33, posted at 18.03.16 13:33:55 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 28) : Luckily enough you can learn the science behind something without experiencing it. Or damn our species would be a lot dumber.

    @robdylan (Comment 27) : I don’t disagree, fatigue can be mental or physical, hence my argument.

    Maybe he is just bad at it?

  • Comment 34, posted at 18.03.16 13:37:02 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Look, Gold is perhaps the most articulate and eloquent of the SA coaches. He is also the most experienced and therefore the most experienced in dealing with the media too. He is a public figure and coach, so of course his comments are going to be picked apart as a window into his mind and intentions and steering of the Sharks ship. It’s what us fans do.

    Unfortunately Gold is also the most second hand car salesman of the SA coaches too (his greased back hair doesn’t help to counter that image). This is the part which gets most – he’s quite happy to deploy the cliches and cliches get the eyes rolling.

  • Comment 35, posted at 18.03.16 13:37:47 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 33) : Just re read what you just said…. He didn’t say they train different but he did say they do more tackling….can you see the contradiction?

  • Comment 36, posted at 18.03.16 13:38:14 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 23) : And Marcel “with one L” Coetzee?

  • Comment 37, posted at 18.03.16 13:38:22 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 32) : The issue is the Sharks arent winning every game by 50points and scoring fantastic tries…players should train every day, even match days and should smile whilst doing it…oh and the coaches need to speak the queens english and explain their every thought, unless they can be thought of as a negative thought, then they should change those thoughts… :) ;) i couldnt even write that without a chuckle

  • Comment 38, posted at 18.03.16 13:38:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 32) : it’s quite simple as far as I can see what Seth is getting at. A poster suggested there is not much difference between 6 and 7 days recovery. Therefore, is not more of a mental thing? And if it’s a mental thing, is it made worse for the players by constantly telling the media this and having it reinforced? Do you want us to chat rugby or not?

  • Comment 39, posted at 18.03.16 13:41:43 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 38) : If only sarcasm nullified the other side of the argument, that would be the day wouldn’t it? ;-)

  • Comment 40, posted at 18.03.16 13:43:15 by Seth101 Reply
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  • It seems a reasonable discussion.

  • Comment 41, posted at 18.03.16 13:43:29 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 29) : will have to comment a fair bit to get it but I know you can do it!!!!!!!! :twisted:

  • Comment 42, posted at 18.03.16 13:47:03 by JD Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 39) : It both mental and physical..the difference between 6 and 7 days is still 1 day…that one day can mean bruises heal more, training session fatigue can be dispelled, more can be done at trainings etc. When you play week on week in such a tough comp trust me 1 day extra is very precious. I have also heard many NZ and OZ coaches mention short turn around times etc. I think as an SA public we just like and feel comfy having a go at a coach..its easy

  • Comment 43, posted at 18.03.16 13:52:26 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 39) : he made one comment about it…. I’m not sure that counts as “constantly telling the media”?

    The thing you guys need to understand about quotes is this. There is always a question asked and the quote is a reply to that question. However, the question itself is never published or directly quoted, so by design you are only ever getting half of the dialogue and context is hard to pick up.

    So if Gold says something about mental fatigue, it’s probably because he’s been asked a direct question such as “Geez Gary, your team is playing well and winning, why the hell would you change it now?” Who’s to say he would have mentioned this stuff at all if not directly asked about it?

  • Comment 44, posted at 18.03.16 13:54:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 43) : look I don’t know what difference an extra day makes. I personally think it is significant. Another poster thinks not. But that doesn’t mean we’re not allowed to discuss it right?

  • Comment 45, posted at 18.03.16 13:54:29 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) : When I saw it, it triggered Jethro Tulls Moths song – which I am now listening to. Thanks.

  • Comment 46, posted at 18.03.16 13:55:15 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 43) : yes,your last sentence.that,and “our okes are just dof”.sums it up.

  • Comment 47, posted at 18.03.16 13:56:15 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 44) : sports writers may also be guilty of making an issue larger than what the team consider it to be.

  • Comment 48, posted at 18.03.16 13:56:17 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 45) : There is a difference between discussing the pros and cons of an extra day AND discussing what an idiot our coach is for making reference to the 1 day less. No problem if we discuss the first part…

  • Comment 49, posted at 18.03.16 13:59:07 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 49) : :roll:

  • Comment 50, posted at 18.03.16 14:01:10 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 49) : I didn’t call him an idiot did I?

  • Comment 51, posted at 18.03.16 14:04:32 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Just like sarcasm doesn’t, over exaggerating the other side of the argument doesn’t nullify it either. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 52, posted at 18.03.16 14:07:06 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 51) : I was just exaggerating to make a point. My intent wasnt to have a go at a specific person or comment. Was just using an example where instead of debating a topic we seem to rather prefer to debate why a coach was wrong…or at least thats my perception

  • Comment 53, posted at 18.03.16 14:07:13 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 52) : sharp.

  • Comment 54, posted at 18.03.16 14:07:36 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 53) : it’s my perception too, but maybe I’m just over-sensitive.

  • Comment 55, posted at 18.03.16 14:12:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 44) : Renaldo Bothma released from the Sharks with immediate effect?? Joining the Bulls…

  • Comment 56, posted at 18.03.16 14:12:53 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 56) : Hmm..sharks cutting their losses on a seemingly injury prone guy?

  • Comment 57, posted at 18.03.16 14:14:49 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 56) : Say what now…???? :|

  • Comment 58, posted at 18.03.16 14:15:06 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 55) : Guess i am too…wheres my beer dammit

  • Comment 59, posted at 18.03.16 14:15:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 56) : Sauce?

  • Comment 60, posted at 18.03.16 14:16:24 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I think it’s a bit of both. Speaking for myself I personally don’t like Gold. I don’t think he’s likeable and that’s my prerogative. It stems from my view that he wasn’t the right appointment for the Sharks in the first place, his mediocre track record and his horrendous record last year which only confirmed that view. So of course I’m not going to be shy to question his comments and maaaaybe I’m too quick to question them. It doesn’t mean that I haven’t given credit for the three wins so far this year and the noticeable change in team spirit. I’m not sure it’s all attributable to Gold but as the man at the top he gets the credit just as he would get the criticism if we were losing. I do feel there is maaaaybe a measure of over-sensitivity too. It’s not hard to understand why.

  • Comment 61, posted at 18.03.16 14:18:59 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 60) : Tomato…or did you mean source? ;)

  • Comment 62, posted at 18.03.16 14:19:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 53) : Debate implies there is a positive AND a negative, without it there wouldn’t be need for a platform to debate on.

  • Comment 63, posted at 18.03.16 14:20:24 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 62) : I went with a meme because the claim seems so extraordinary: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sauce

  • Comment 64, posted at 18.03.16 14:21:14 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 61) : Copy paste and you have my opinion, are we the same person? Wouldn’t that be a twist ;-) :mrgreen:

  • Comment 65, posted at 18.03.16 14:22:37 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @robdylan: renaldo bothma been released from the sharks squad and joined the bulls?

  • Comment 66, posted at 18.03.16 14:24:47 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 65) : Haha so if we are generally ad idem my opposite in the Sharks blogging universe is SheldonK. :lol:

  • Comment 67, posted at 18.03.16 14:26:24 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 63) : There can most definitely be a debate on the positives and negatives of having a short turn around. Not why that debate needs to centre around criticism of what a coach has said to the media in terms of his view that a short turn around has required some rotation to keep guys fresh. I may have misread your comment but what i got was that you believed that there was no difference between 6 or 7 days and Gold is silly for making excuses and saying there is a difference when you believe there isnt.

  • Comment 68, posted at 18.03.16 14:26:41 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 66) : source?

  • Comment 69, posted at 18.03.16 14:26:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 60) : 100% confirmed – there was a rumour floating around but I thought it was rubbish – apparently not

  • Comment 70, posted at 18.03.16 14:27:14 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 70) : Confirmed by who? Where?

  • Comment 71, posted at 18.03.16 14:28:20 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 64) : haha fair play

  • Comment 72, posted at 18.03.16 14:28:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • someone just give me a source for that story.

    I’m not doubting it…. knew he was going to be let go, but I want to know where it’s been confirmed.

  • Comment 73, posted at 18.03.16 14:31:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • Bothma for me would be behind many loosies at the Sharks… Potgieter first and foremost is a better Bothma.

    Disappointed yes but I’m not too disappointed if this is true…

  • Comment 74, posted at 18.03.16 14:31:49 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 67) : I have a fair few ‘opposites’. Taking the more logical, less emotional point of view is not always the popular choice (Sometimes I am just mean) :mrgreen: But I haven’t been banned yet, close but not yet ;-) .

  • Comment 75, posted at 18.03.16 14:33:09 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Decent player, but we just have to much depth, where as Bulls could actually use him.

  • Comment 76, posted at 18.03.16 14:34:36 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 73) : :sad:

  • Comment 77, posted at 18.03.16 14:34:42 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 67) : I guess where we differ is that i dont have a personal dislike for Gold.

  • Comment 78, posted at 18.03.16 14:35:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 74) : completely right. If he’d come in fit and raring to go and had contributed fro the outset, different story. But he’s an expensive luxury and we have young players more deserving of his spot. Simple as.

  • Comment 79, posted at 18.03.16 14:35:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 79) : My thinking as well. Especially as the younger guys have stepped up nicely. His bash bash skillset possibly no longer suits us as well.

  • Comment 80, posted at 18.03.16 14:36:48 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 78) : Difference between a personal dislike and a professional one.

    Personal says he is a bad man, professional says he is a bad coach.

  • Comment 81, posted at 18.03.16 14:38:09 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 78) : Perhaps you don’t, you’re just a lot more accepting of mediocrity from the Sharks.

  • Comment 82, posted at 18.03.16 14:38:31 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • I’m sure Gold is a great guy to have a beer with.

  • Comment 83, posted at 18.03.16 14:39:50 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 82) : You must have a lot of personal dislike for a lot of the players as well then. Perhaps i am more accepting and realise not every team can win every game every time.

  • Comment 84, posted at 18.03.16 14:41:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 81) : It often appears as though personal dislike over shadows the professional one…

  • Comment 85, posted at 18.03.16 14:42:43 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 74) : @robdylan (Comment 79) : @SheldonK (Comment 80) : I do understand the logjam in the loosies but I don’t think we can criticise his playing style when our whole squad played that one-dimensional way last year. Don’t know how many Puma games you wtached but Bothma was a pretty elusive runner in that team with some decent linking play too. Sure he’d bash it up too but which big loosie doesn’t? I’m sad to see him go because I was really looking forward to seeing that adventurous side of him unleashed again. Personally, with Marcell leaving end of the season, I reckon we should have tried to hold on to him.

  • Comment 86, posted at 18.03.16 14:44:03 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 85) : I think he is a mediocre coach, with a less than mediocre track record, who had a shocking first year, and is lucky enough to be propped up by great support stuff around him this year.
    Therefor that is professional dislike, personally I have never met him and have no idea.

    Perhaps dislike is to often assumed to be personal just by the fact that it is dislike.

  • Comment 87, posted at 18.03.16 14:45:40 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 69) : @vonno13 is the source :D im asking you because im quite sure you would be one of the first to know of sharks releasigng/signing players.

  • Comment 88, posted at 18.03.16 14:48:11 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 86) : I do get your point about how he played at the Pumas, and i agree he did vary his game there. It just appears that he seemed to take a turn and wanted to play like Willem Alberts, so head down and bash. I think the fact that he is injured and our youngsters have come through probably led to this. Would have be nice if he stayed…but i dont know how pricey it was to keep him?

  • Comment 89, posted at 18.03.16 14:48:20 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 86) : well, until somebody tells me the source of that story, it remains just a story

  • Comment 90, posted at 18.03.16 14:48:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 88) : ah. OK

    I thought you and Vaughn had picked up the story independently of one another. Wasn’t sure you were just reacting to what he had said.

    I know where to dig now.

  • Comment 91, posted at 18.03.16 14:50:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 87) : My perception is that a lot of the criticism towards him is personal. There are a lot many worse coaches in SA thats for sure. Identifying the need for a defensive and attack coach, getting team selection and game plans pretty much right on for the games so far this year are some pretty impressive things for a mediocre coach. But again we have moved this discussion to the coach and not the question of the short turn around

  • Comment 92, posted at 18.03.16 14:52:48 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 89) : I get the circumstances around injury and youngsters coming through as well as budgetary issues but once again I need to point out that all our players got sucked into that one-dimensional game-plan. I don’t think it’s about him wanting to play a particular way. If Ettiene Oosthuizen was out injured we’d probably still be referring to him as a wannabe lock instead of commending his remarkable improvement. Let’s not fall into that trap but rather be fair to players that haven’t yet had a chance to prove what they’re capable of under the new coaching regime.

  • Comment 93, posted at 18.03.16 14:54:43 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 92) : Your starting point is: “There are a lot many worse coaches in SA [sic]…” Screams mediocrity acceptance.

  • Comment 94, posted at 18.03.16 14:55:33 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 61) : really you don’t like Gold? Really could not tell?!?!?! :mrgreen: :twisted:

  • Comment 95, posted at 18.03.16 14:58:38 by JD Reply
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  • With the Kings now in existence having “more worse” teams in SA doesn’t quite say much :lol: I’d rather the Sharks measure themselves with the likes of the Brumbies, Highlanders and other top teams.

  • Comment 96, posted at 18.03.16 14:58:48 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 93) : Thats a fair call too. I do feel if Bothma was a few centimetres taller he would have made a really awesome lock

  • Comment 97, posted at 18.03.16 14:58:48 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 95) : come now man, professional dislike :mrgreen:

  • Comment 98, posted at 18.03.16 14:59:44 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 94) : Would be very interesting to see your take on superiority as opposed to mediocrity. I cant think of a coach thats won every game and competion he has coached…

  • Comment 99, posted at 18.03.16 15:00:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 99) : you’re the only person who keeps harping on about winning every game…

  • Comment 100, posted at 18.03.16 15:01:38 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 96) : I assume you refer only to the past Highlanders season as they have been pretty poor before then?

  • Comment 101, posted at 18.03.16 15:02:03 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 101) : perhaps they decided not to continue accepting mediocrity?

  • Comment 102, posted at 18.03.16 15:03:14 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 94) : How about, there are a lot of coaches with much less character? Have I won you over? :twisted:

  • Comment 103, posted at 18.03.16 15:03:17 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 100) : I did ask about your idea of superiority in comparison to mediocrity. Remember i just accept mediocre so im interested to hear?

  • Comment 104, posted at 18.03.16 15:03:51 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 96) : Crusaders, Chiefs.

  • Comment 105, posted at 18.03.16 15:05:07 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 103) : Its a starting point… :)

  • Comment 106, posted at 18.03.16 15:05:16 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 103) : Haha! Mirror, mirror on the wall, who has the most character of them all? Peter De Villiers by a country mile, Gold is the coach with the car salesman smile.

  • Comment 107, posted at 18.03.16 15:05:38 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 102) : I terms of the Highlanders it was the same coach that took them through a horrible season to winning the comp…so perhaps some perspective while we fetch the gallows for Gold?

  • Comment 108, posted at 18.03.16 15:07:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 107) : Look you have a point there, he does look like a Better Call Saul character but I happen to consider that a positive. Huge fan of the show :grin:

  • Comment 109, posted at 18.03.16 15:09:59 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Well,i was calling before the season started for gold to implement a home and away teamn,with the stronger team playing at home.coach didnt listen to me and sharks beat stormers in ct.coach selected odwa and i called for sithole.think odwa regathered 4 kicks,including the kick-off after zas try.made his tackles,didnt get much opportunity to attack.coach again made the better call.guess that’s why he is coaching at kp and im posting on here :D

  • Comment 110, posted at 18.03.16 15:11:08 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 110) : U should perhaps meet half way and write your posts at KP? :)

  • Comment 111, posted at 18.03.16 15:13:03 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 108) : Horrible season, they lost in the qualifiers to us? Hardly horrible.

  • Comment 112, posted at 18.03.16 15:13:05 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 108) : @Seth101 (Comment 112) : If you refering to 2013 when they ended 14th. That was their worst year under Joseph, and he won it in his 5th year.

  • Comment 113, posted at 18.03.16 15:14:15 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 104) : the same argument can be said for the Chiefs. In the past they were woeful.

    The same for the Highlanders and the Bulls.

    The Blues used to be head and shoulders above the other NZ teams, they’ve still won more Super trophies than any other Kiwi team besides the Crusaders. The same for the Reds in Aus and to some extent the Lions.

    The Crusaders were dreadful in their first season of Super rugby.

    Teams that want to win it, can. On the flip side, teams that are mismanaged – like the Blues, Reds and Lions – can slip off the radar and disappear.

    Having said that, there are teams across all 3 countries that have consistent Super Rugby ‘pedigree’ for want of a better word. Crusaders, Waratahs, Brumbies and yes, the Sharks. I’m sure fans of all these sides and others reasonably expect their team to be able to win every game they play at this level. Fans of the Force, Blues, Rebels, Cheetahs and others don’t.

    I never tune into a Sharks game and think they have NO chance of winning – not even last year.

    I think it is a travesty that the Sharks have not won this tournament at least once in 20 years considering 8 other teams have.

    This was typed up all very quickly but the gist is there. Perhaps I could better put my thoughts in a post later.

  • Comment 114, posted at 18.03.16 15:15:06 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) : That is terrible.

  • Comment 115, posted at 18.03.16 15:15:09 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 112) : That would be deemed mediocre on here…

  • Comment 116, posted at 18.03.16 15:15:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 91) : Cool thought you would pick it up, not too keen on giving okes names on here.

    A mate of mine at Loftus reckons it is still nice and dry – so a great game should be in store tonight!

  • Comment 117, posted at 18.03.16 15:16:07 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Seth101 (Comment 113) : By peoples standards on here Gold wont last 5 seasons…

  • Comment 118, posted at 18.03.16 15:16:26 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 116) : Mediocre =/ Horrible. The Highlanders have had one coach for the last 6 years, and besides one year, have improved every single year.

  • Comment 119, posted at 18.03.16 15:18:26 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 56) : That is bad news with a capital B. Was looking forward to seeing him play but where?

  • Comment 120, posted at 18.03.16 15:18:34 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 114) : I know its Friday but im getting confused. U have said all teams have ups and down and the better teams are the more consistent teams and even they have ups and downs. The Sharks are one of the consistent teams you name. But then im accepting mediocrity after 1 year? Yeh i definitely need beer

  • Comment 121, posted at 18.03.16 15:18:43 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 118) : the Highlanders do come from lower expectations. That probably helped their patience. That and slowly collecting an All Black squad. The Sharks have always expected more success than the Highlanders, therefore less patience rightfully so.

  • Comment 122, posted at 18.03.16 15:19:24 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 118) : Good thing we aren’t his boss then. I don’t think he is the best candidate for Sharks coach, but I wouldn’t replace him. Sharks need consistency.

  • Comment 123, posted at 18.03.16 15:19:35 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 121) : it’s ok. You often seem to be confused.

  • Comment 124, posted at 18.03.16 15:20:31 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 119) : So in your opinion have the Sharks improved from last year? In my opinion they have…so does Gold not get the same benefit as Joseph then? I know he isnt a New Zealander but still

  • Comment 125, posted at 18.03.16 15:20:49 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I think RDP will be built up into the head coach, and GG will be the director of rugby. I am 100% perfectly happy with that situation.

  • Comment 126, posted at 18.03.16 15:21:02 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 124) : Must be that personal dislike that im missing

  • Comment 127, posted at 18.03.16 15:21:55 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 125) : who hasn’t given Gold credit? You exaggerating to suit your agenda.

  • Comment 128, posted at 18.03.16 15:22:23 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 126) : Careful being happy with Gary Gold means you are accepting mediocrity…dont do that now

  • Comment 129, posted at 18.03.16 15:22:58 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Even Keohane of all people is singing a different tune about Gold… :roll:

  • Comment 130, posted at 18.03.16 15:23:27 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 128) : Im sure you were the one that said i was accepting mediocrity for being happy with Gold? Come now at least stick with your stance on the guy

  • Comment 131, posted at 18.03.16 15:24:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 98) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 132, posted at 18.03.16 15:24:55 by JD Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 130) : Keohane must owe Gold money…that guy doesnt do anything if he cant get a benefit from it.

  • Comment 133, posted at 18.03.16 15:25:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 129) : There is that sarcasm we know and love ;-)

  • Comment 134, posted at 18.03.16 15:25:26 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 134) : haha that aside i do like the RDP grooming for head coach idea with Gold as DOR. We just need to sauce/source a forwards coach

  • Comment 135, posted at 18.03.16 15:27:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 135) : Yup, for me that is the best outcome for the Sharks management. And luckily for Sharks_have_Character! RDP is a lot better looking ;-) .

  • Comment 136, posted at 18.03.16 15:29:34 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 136) : Haha hold that thought…he has only had 3 games of Super rugby…lets wait till the season is over…he may be bald ;)

  • Comment 137, posted at 18.03.16 15:30:54 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Jeez Faf du PLessis looks like a tit wearing his cricket cap like a gansta. Put some bend in that peak man.

  • Comment 138, posted at 18.03.16 15:35:20 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 138) : What is a Faf? This is a rugby site man, GTFO :twisted:

    P.S. I am young, therefor is is my duty to like the caps.

  • Comment 139, posted at 18.03.16 15:37:15 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 139) : A Faf is a small blonde chap that usually plays scrumhalf :)

  • Comment 140, posted at 18.03.16 15:38:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 139) : it’s just not cricket man.

    ps I don’t consider myself old. I can spot a tit though.

  • Comment 141, posted at 18.03.16 15:38:37 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • SA by 6.

  • Comment 142, posted at 18.03.16 15:41:04 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Anyone remember dick muir ?replaced putt in the week before brumbies home game in 2005.team was coached by ian mac for that game.sharks beat the brumbies.muir took over.lost every s12 game.crusaders scored 75 points against the sharks in christchurch!sharks didn’t qualify for the cc semi’s.who would stick with such a coach?anyway,he asked to have campese join the team as pre-season skills coach and plumtree as forwards coach.roll-on 2006 sr season.sharks just lost out to the bulls for a semi-final spot on points difference.and came within minutes of beating the saders in christchurch.in 2007 the sharks came within moments of winning the title.then we lost 3 crucial senior players for 2008 but still made the semi’s.some coaches need 2 seasons,others need 5.

  • Comment 143, posted at 18.03.16 15:41:10 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 142) : Oh wait it’s not rugby, SA by 26.

  • Comment 144, posted at 18.03.16 15:41:31 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 138) : he looks like one regardless of what he wears!!!!!! :twisted:

  • Comment 145, posted at 18.03.16 15:43:27 by JD Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 143) : and some need 20 years. And some need infinity.

  • Comment 146, posted at 18.03.16 15:43:51 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 144) : think you got it the wrong way round. Cricket by 6 rugby by 26. :twisted:

  • Comment 147, posted at 18.03.16 15:45:10 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 121) : do you:

    1. Think the Sharks have been good enough to win Super Rugby since 1996?
    2. Think the Sharks should have won Super Rugby at some stage since 1996?

    If your answer to either or both the above is in the affirmative how do you square the fact that we haven’t? Curious to know quite where your expectations lie.

  • Comment 148, posted at 18.03.16 15:49:16 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • We have more Boks in our squad than the Bulls, how often has that happened before?
    We have 16 + 3 (3 for Namibia)
    Bulls have 12
    Stormers 12

    @JD (Comment 147) : I’ll take that.

  • Comment 149, posted at 18.03.16 15:51:23 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 148) : We won SuperRugby in 2007.

  • Comment 150, posted at 18.03.16 15:52:04 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 150) : in your dreams my friend!! History will forever show that Bulls won it!!!

  • Comment 151, posted at 18.03.16 15:56:14 by JD Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 148) : 2007,yes.if we retained bj botha,smit and butch,even 2008,irrespective of the 6home/7away draw.every other final the sharks played in was away from home,as in either aus and nz away from homw.big advantage to the home team in sr finals.some people don’t count it,but sharks did host ,and lose,a s10 final in 1994.

  • Comment 152, posted at 18.03.16 15:56:42 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 148) : Considering the finals we have played in, especially 2007, yes the Sharks were good enough and should have won the title. Unfortunately unlike some Pakistan cricket games sport isnt a sure thing. Very often the team you play on the day is also a good team and they are just better on that day. If they had played the next day perhaps the Sharks would have won. So yeh id love the Sharks to win every trophy..but thats probably a bit unrealistic. The best i feel they can do is win more games than they loose and try give themselves a shot at the title…and who knows what can happen on match day. I mean even the boring Boks have won 2 titles ;)

  • Comment 153, posted at 18.03.16 15:57:20 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 151) : What is this codswallop? I was there. Habana took a forward pass, the ref blew it and we won!!

  • Comment 154, posted at 18.03.16 15:58:50 by Seth101 Reply
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  • First a tit and now willey, this here cricket sport is questionable.

  • Comment 155, posted at 18.03.16 16:01:18 by Seth101 Reply
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  • everyone talks about the try.i still would like a replay of the incident where jp was on hougaard before he had made the goalkick.walsh ruled that you can only start your run to charge down goal kick as soon as the kicker approaches the ball.sharks were saying the step back was part of kicking routine.walsh was correct.but even if the call was wait for kicker to start moving towards the ball,jpp would’ve charged it down.

  • Comment 156, posted at 18.03.16 16:09:30 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 154) : ok if it makes you sleep better at night. :razz:

  • Comment 157, posted at 18.03.16 16:12:02 by JD Reply
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  • Flip it’s raining in JHB. How is Pretoria?

  • Comment 158, posted at 18.03.16 17:20:29 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Is the game on yet?

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 159) : still 90 minutes to go, boss

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  • @robdylan (Comment 160) : I got some funky info somewhere that reconstruction it starts at 17:20. Thanks Rob.

  • Comment 161, posted at 18.03.16 17:56:33 by coolfusion Reply

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  • How dof does Morris look with his flat peak? Jissus. And Tahir too! At least AB has a proper baseball bend going with his baseball cap.

  • Comment 162, posted at 18.03.16 18:18:21 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 162) : Is the game on s2?

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