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Sharks forced to settle for Loftus draw


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Bulls, Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 19 Mar 2016 at 10:39
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The Sharks ended matters even on points with the Bulls after 80 minutes at Loftus last week, neither side able to deliver the knock-out blow in a 16-all stalemate. Joe Pietersen, who had kicked superbly on the night, unfortunately squandered a straightforward penalty kick on the final whistle, but the seeds of this results (for the sharks) had been sewn long before he lined up that ill-fated shot.

Gary Gold spoke during the week about the danger of fatigue ahead of this clash and despite making some rotational changes to his side, that weariness was evident early on, as the home side took firm control of the encounter. Driving rain in the early stages of the match had made both field and ball slippery and while the Sharks appeared up for the encounter, their error rate sky-rocketed in the opening 40. Miscued line kicks, poor exit plays, turnovers in possession and some poor options on attack all blighted the visitors’ efforts and as before, it was only superb defence (with Andre Esterhuizen again at the forefront) that kept the Sharks in the game.

The Bulls scored a lovely try through fullback Warrick Gelant on the half hour mark to break the 3-all deadlock, with Francois Brummer adding a sweetly-struck drop-goal to his conversion (and an earlier penalty) to secure a 13-3 lead with the break looming. Some signs of revival in the final moments of the half saw the Sharks rewarded with a long-range penalty shot, which Pietersen converted from the centre spot to narrow the gap to 7 (13-6) at half time.

It was a different Sharks team that came out after the break, with a few of their big-name replacements adding impetus to a forward effort that started to gain the ascendancy. It took a rather freaky try to Willie le Roux, touching down his own chip through in the 51st minute, to bring the Sharks level again, but with at least two other clear try-scoring opportunities squandered in the half, the Sharks certainly failed to put the game to bed when the had the chance. Pietersen added a penalty four minutes after the le Roux try to secure a narrow 3-point lead, which the Sharks held until just before time, when new Bulls pivot Tiaan Schoeman put over a long kick to tie matters up at 16-all. A phenomenal bit of intensity from the resulting kick-off saw Marcell Coetzee awarded with a penalty, but with the Sharks team celebrating and high-fiving one another ahead of the kick as though they had won a trophy, it’s perhaps not surprising that Pietersen’s concentration was affected.

Pride comes before a fall, as they say and if the Sharks learned one lesson from this, it’s to make damn sure of the result before patting yourselves on the back. With neither team offering much of anything on attack on the evening, rugby purists will probably concede that a draw was the fairest result here. The Sharks return to Durban with their unbeaten record intact, but their pride somewhat dented ahead of Saturday’s big clash against the Crusaders.

Bulls (16): Try Warrick Gelant. Conversion Francois Brummer. Drop-goal Brummer. Penalties Brummer, Tian Schoeman.
Sharks (16): Try Willie le Roux. Conversion Joe Pietersen. Penalties Pietersen (3).



120 Comments

  • A fair assessment Rob. Well, Joe will bounce back because he has to. There is some trepidation for next week, I’m not going to lie. Consistency in selection can’t hurt but Sharks need to find the killer instinct to put a team away and not pussyfooting around with the crusaders

  • Comment 1, posted at 19.03.16 10:57:47 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 1) : absolutely. We were poor in most of the things we did last night (bar defence) and a better side than the Bulls would have annihilated us in the first half.

  • Comment 2, posted at 19.03.16 10:59:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • Playing catch up which the Sharks are doing lately is not tactically sound or good for my nerves which take a massive hit every weekend

  • Comment 3, posted at 19.03.16 11:07:51 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • I think more so than AE EO should be singled out for special mention,he monstered those Bullarinas

  • Comment 4, posted at 19.03.16 11:24:14 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 4) : yes, that’s true.

    Interesting, to me, that for a third week running, those two were our best players in terms of defensive energy and intensity.

  • Comment 5, posted at 19.03.16 11:40:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 5) : Ettiene Oosthuizen has gone from being my least favourite Sharks player in 2015, to arguably my favourite thus far in 2016. That takes some doing

  • Comment 6, posted at 19.03.16 12:02:17 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Still feels like loss to me… even after a sleep.

  • Comment 7, posted at 19.03.16 12:40:30 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • Heartbreaking to watch that live but such is rugby and life. We move on and look towards the next challenge.

    The Loftus pitch was still very wet at the time we left and it looks terrible. The drought-like conditions we’ve experienced all summer followed by the heavy rain has certainly taken its toll on that surface. There were a number of officials on at half-time trying to patch up the ugliest areas.

    Looks like the boys really struggled to acclimatise properly to the thin highveld air in the first half. Just watching them get up after a tackle to fall back in line, you could see it was noticeably slower than previous matches.

  • Comment 8, posted at 19.03.16 12:44:05 by vanmartin Reply
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  • We didn’t play well. Beast summarized it perfectly when he said we were lethargic last night. Pity we couldn’t take all the chances we had. Let’s use this as a learning curve. Was also disappointed by the lack of physicality our pack brought to the field. Coenie, Marais and Jean-Luc were sorely missed last night. Willie needs to get his confidence back. Joe played really and that one error won’t change that fact. We really need to work on our finishing though….too many tries are being left on the field.

  • Comment 9, posted at 19.03.16 12:50:01 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 8) : good point re: the match at altitude .that and bodies still feeling the effects of the contest in ct.

  • Comment 10, posted at 19.03.16 12:53:22 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 9) : beast ascribed the lethargy in the play to the bodies still feeling the effects of the game in ct.

  • Comment 11, posted at 19.03.16 12:56:01 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • Another game where we had to make more tackles than the opposition and were trumped in the possession and territory stakes.

    I felt we tried to play with the ball, but tackle/ruck turnovers killed us and to a lesser degree our handling errors put paid to any possession.

    This approach is unsustainable. It won’t last and as it is, we’re told the players are buggered after round 4.

  • Comment 12, posted at 19.03.16 12:59:25 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • *should have added: it will only be exacerbated against the NZ sides if we try to win by kicking the ball to them and defending.

  • Comment 13, posted at 19.03.16 13:00:59 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 8) : I feel like apologising to you, just because I know how crap it feels to go to Loftus, and watch the Sharks not play to their potential…..painful.

  • Comment 14, posted at 19.03.16 13:02:33 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 12) : know we have many loosies,but looking at a player like cloete and the breakdown: ss statisticians credited him with 5 “steals”last weekend.perhaps we are lacking that type of player in the squad?all energy and attacking the tackle ball?obviously need to have a look at his “steals”:penalties at the breakdown ratio per game.still ,imo the perfect player to sub marcell with.

  • Comment 15, posted at 19.03.16 13:07:13 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 12) : it is tough with injuries to botha,thomas,lambie,deysel,potgieter.chili only to be eligible from the 9th of april.those are players that can come into the match 23 to give rotation.some of those names listed are arguably the 1st choices in their positions,also.

  • Comment 16, posted at 19.03.16 13:12:39 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 15) : We would have had Franna as our fetcher, sadly another injury has messed up his big shot at SR…..

  • Comment 17, posted at 19.03.16 13:13:05 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • If we’re buggered now, just wait fir what is effectively a 6 game in 6 weeks tour later on…

  • Comment 18, posted at 19.03.16 13:13:51 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 11) : It means we need to manage our players better and the guys that come on as replacements need to really step up. Selection needs to be smarter as well. A physical ball carrier like Deysel or Bothma (don’t know why we let him go honestly) should have replaced Jean-Luc. Our loose trio was not balanced, Dan should have stayed this one out. Our front row didn’t bring their physical game with them. Weather and those conditions….maybe Odwa should have started. We need some consistency from Cobus…last night his passing game from the base of the ruck was better when he came on…from the Bulls side..told a mate of mine a while ago that Jhamba is going to be a Bok.

  • Comment 19, posted at 19.03.16 13:15:13 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 18) : I was thinking the same thing….if our boys thought a 6 day turnaround was rough, they should add the time wasted flying and connecting flights on tour to see a short turnaround.

    They’ll need to toughen up mentally….it’s going to get a lot harder from here on out.

  • Comment 20, posted at 19.03.16 13:17:58 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 18) :yes, vs lions(home) vs blues (away) then a 6dday turn-around vs highlanders (away) vs chiefs(away) vs hurricanes(home) vs jaguares(away) vs kings(home).so it is 7 games in 7 weeks .sa-nz-nz-nz-sa-arg-sa.

  • Comment 21, posted at 19.03.16 13:19:55 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 20) : they will need a lot more character.

  • Comment 22, posted at 19.03.16 13:20:48 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • My gut feeling is that the Crusaders will be backed for an easy win on the bru next weekend. Expectations are getting in the right place now.

  • Comment 23, posted at 19.03.16 13:23:13 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 19) : with the benefit of hindsight and not sure re: match fitness status: perhaps deysel would have been a better selection.ddp does add to the lineiout options,though.so tough call to make even with the benefit of selecting after the event.

  • Comment 24, posted at 19.03.16 13:25:59 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 22) : Kings showed character today – they never gave up even though they got hammered.

    We don’t want that for the Sharks….we want them to harden up mentally.

    I wonder if Gold will again say the Sharks showed character, even though they missed the win….think he’ll try a different cliché this time.

  • Comment 25, posted at 19.03.16 13:26:27 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 23) :the crusaders (re-)match is the litmus test imo.

  • Comment 26, posted at 19.03.16 13:27:54 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 25) : i would prefer no mention of this past friday night’s match is made on monday or again in the week.unless to draw motivation from it.the media will obviously ask the coach questions re: the kick.don’t know what he will answer them.truth is the team showed fighting spirit to come from 13-6 down to lead 16-13 till the 78th min.then see the match-levelling penalty go over,and fighting back from that to get into a position to win it.

  • Comment 27, posted at 19.03.16 13:34:15 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 25) : at least you seem to understand ‘character’.

  • Comment 28, posted at 19.03.16 13:35:36 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • nice pic on twitter of rdp,sr sitting in the changeroom with both joe pietersen and paul jordaan after the game.

  • Comment 29, posted at 19.03.16 13:48:11 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 14) : I can almost feel the pain in that post. Much appreciated but luckily not my first time at this rodeo :)

  • Comment 30, posted at 19.03.16 14:36:19 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 30) : …it hurts every time…

  • Comment 31, posted at 19.03.16 14:51:16 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 7) : ja I know the feeling!!!!

  • Comment 32, posted at 19.03.16 15:27:31 by JD Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 8) : think the one thing most of us forgot about was the thin air.

  • Comment 33, posted at 19.03.16 15:33:17 by JD Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 9) : yes must say the Sharks have created lots of opportunities but are not finishing half of them!!! As for Joe one missed kick does not make him a bad player and must say I think the Sharks celebrations before the kick did place a huge amount of pressure on him.

  • Comment 34, posted at 19.03.16 15:39:03 by JD Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 18) : yes that’s going to be a very hard !!!

  • Comment 35, posted at 19.03.16 15:43:37 by JD Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 30) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 31) : it a very kak feeling that I unfortunately also know so ja @vanmartin hopefully if we go to the Lions game in Jozi it will not happen again!!

  • Comment 36, posted at 19.03.16 15:49:01 by JD Reply
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  • Lions are def the most impressive SA team thus far, its between us and stormers as too whose second, though we’re boths some way behind the lions

    then the bulls who have quality youngsters who are finding their feet

    followed by the cheetahs who also have a young team but the quality of their experience players is questionable

    last is the Kings, too much instability leading up to this season, but now that their in SR for real instead of just one season, i
    they’l develop their squad in a few years

  • Comment 37, posted at 19.03.16 17:50:21 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 5) : and in AE defence the problem he has and what you can’t see on TV is that like Netball Players the Bullarinas targeted PJ, as well as Joe this time,need I say more,also Joe has no BMT ,he is stable at 10 but not SR trophy material

  • Comment 38, posted at 19.03.16 17:50:37 by benji Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 33) : JD what nonsense mate,Robbie Deans with the Crusaders put paid to that theory/problem years ago

  • Comment 39, posted at 19.03.16 17:56:46 by benji Reply
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  • another point worth noting is eve though the lions and the bulls look too have the most dngerous and inventive backlines in sa, we’re still way way behind teams like the tahs and brumbies and just about all NZ teams when is comes to speedm accuracy, and invention in the back like

    like do our teams mix it up with grubbers etc, its like theres a game plan and we just stick too it no matter what

    when NZ teams play everything they do is done with accuracy

  • Comment 40, posted at 19.03.16 18:00:27 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 24) : No the Sharks have moved forward in leaps,no room for old has beens like Deysell as well as KD ,4 to 8 are seriously good

  • Comment 41, posted at 19.03.16 18:01:12 by benji Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 14) : no mate not as painfull as getting your ears blasted by Steve Hofmeyer music,eish

  • Comment 42, posted at 19.03.16 18:03:16 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 38) : Wow!!! Are you serious? Have you seen his distribution game, his option taking, pinpoint accurate up and unders which one should have resulted in a try if JPP was not selfish. How many kicks infront of the poles has Lambie missed?

  • Comment 43, posted at 19.03.16 18:18:16 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Much as I still dislike the odd player in the team, there’s no denying that we are way better off than we were last year and it’s that alone that has me a happier fan. A draw sucks but I’ll take it, we’re still unbeaten :)

  • Comment 44, posted at 19.03.16 18:47:25 by Mephisto_Shark Reply

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  • @benji (Comment 39) : good for them but I do think for other lesser teams it still is a problem.

  • Comment 45, posted at 19.03.16 19:21:29 by JD Reply
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  • @Mephisto_Shark (Comment 44) : must agree with you drawing is way better than losing. The Sharks also looks way better than last year. Hope the draw is a wake up call for them to perform better.

  • Comment 46, posted at 19.03.16 19:26:16 by JD Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 43) : think once again people are underestimating the value that Joe adds to a team. Yes he missed the kick but sad as it is it does happen.

  • Comment 47, posted at 19.03.16 19:29:40 by JD Reply
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  • What did I just watch?

  • Comment 48, posted at 19.03.16 20:59:17 by Seth101 Reply
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  • How does that draw look now that we are the only unbeaten teaming leading SuperRugby?

  • Comment 49, posted at 19.03.16 21:01:46 by Seth101 Reply
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  • joss man f*** ray, you threw that game away you idiot, and you cost me points in fantasy league!!!

    Brumbies you disappointment me

  • Comment 50, posted at 19.03.16 21:11:05 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • I’m feeling last nights missed kick more now

    I really hope stormers lose to the Jaguares next week

  • Comment 51, posted at 19.03.16 21:14:46 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • Undefeated after 4 games; I’ll take that any damn day!

    Hope the handling stays improving though; we are creating plenty of opportunities.

  • Comment 52, posted at 20.03.16 14:56:42 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 52) : yes Sharks are creating lots of opportunities they must just start finishing it.

  • Comment 53, posted at 20.03.16 15:27:04 by JD Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 49) : better than a loss!!!

  • Comment 54, posted at 20.03.16 15:28:45 by JD Reply
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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 51) : I agree, 3 points and a win would change the whole complexion of things. And, yes, it is delightful any time the stormers lose.

  • Comment 55, posted at 20.03.16 15:55:47 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 54) : a draw is a strange thing; its not a loss, that is true but it feels like gay cousin or drunk uncle, something you prefer not to mention. That evening I kept on replaying the kick in my mind (it took a long time to get to sleep) and the difference it could have made really gets to a person. I’m sure that Joe has been thinking about it a lot too.

  • Comment 56, posted at 20.03.16 16:04:51 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • Let’s do ourselves a favour, and imagine Joe missing one of his earlier penalties instead of his last one – we would have been pretty darn relieved to have the draw.

  • Comment 57, posted at 20.03.16 16:27:24 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 57) : what if we imagine Willie dotting the ball down in the corner, or JPP passing the ball to Jordaan a second earlier, instead?

    Nah man, the Bulls fans and players will feel like they got a get out of jail card for free there. We feel like we let one slip. That feeling rightfully reflects a game that should have gone down as a win for the Sharks.

    It’s gut wrenching but it’s also time to move on.

  • Comment 58, posted at 20.03.16 16:43:07 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 58) : Right you are…so what if Brummer would have made those kicks, Sharks would have score those two tries and still have been ahead. Sharks were not great but were better. I’m more concerned that the Sharks players move on from the bulls draw and use it as a lesson. In another way, I would like them to remember the 52-10 debacle. This time, the knavish crusaders should get any yellow/red cards and the Sharks none. If I was a Sharks player who was there at that awful afternoon, I would be looking for payback (all legally of course), but more importantly a second chance to make it right. The Sharks only seem to find their groove in the second half and I can’t think of a game this year (in Super Rugby anyway) where they have had a rollicking first half. I’m afraid I don’t have much faith, and I wish I did but I cannot fake confidence and get all bullish (excuse the pun). The crusaders – and I despise them with the fire of a thousand suns – will be seen by most as favourites going into the match. How did my beloved Sharks let it come to this?

  • Comment 59, posted at 20.03.16 17:08:01 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • Except for 1996 when the Sharks blew the Crusaders away 58 – 26 (but then so did virtually everyone else that year) the Sharks have found it incredibly difficult to beat the Crusaders. It’s one of those fixtures in sport that defies all logic. A ‘hoodoo’ team. The Crusaders present our worst head-to-head results against any team in Super rugby.

    Played 22
    Won 5 (a measly 22.7% win rate)
    Drawn 1
    Lost 16

    Having said that, we did win two in a row in 2013 and 2014 and I guess you could say that’s a reflection of the slightly faded star that is the Crusaders in Super Rugby these days (that’s to be taken in context of course, they still make semis and finals for fun, just that they haven’t won the tournament since 2008).

    But that 52 – 10 loss at home last year- ai yay yay – the lowest depth we plumbed under Gold I feel, that needs to be avenged. Even though the head-to-head is skewed in favour of the Crusaders that result was an anomaly and there is much to be set straight straight next weekend.

    I feel your mood though and for the first time I may seriously consider picking against the Sharks on Superbru.

  • Comment 60, posted at 20.03.16 17:42:50 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • When I think hoodoo teams in Super Rugby I console myself with the Sharks record against the Blues.

    Played 22
    Won 14
    Lost 8

    Alright, whilst that doesn’t sound overly amazing, it does when you consider the Sharks have won the last 10 games in a row against the Blues.

    By contrast the Crusaders have won their last 8 games against the Blues, losing two.

  • Comment 61, posted at 20.03.16 17:50:00 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 58) : My point has more to do with how we view Joe and how we shouldn’t write him off for missing this kick, and forget about all his successful penalty kicks.

  • Comment 62, posted at 20.03.16 19:02:30 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 56) : for sure! Just hope Joe is the type of person that would not let something like that influence the rest of the season as he’s been really good so far!!

  • Comment 63, posted at 20.03.16 19:04:34 by JD Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 58) : for sure take the two log points and move on to the Saders and the tour!!!

  • Comment 64, posted at 20.03.16 19:05:58 by JD Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 60) : going to be a hard game but I do not think this Saders side is the as good a last years side and for sure the Sharks are a better side than last year so let’s hope the result reflect that!! Sharks by 6 points!

  • Comment 65, posted at 20.03.16 19:11:20 by JD Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 62) : oh I’d be surprised if anyone is actually blaming Joe for the loss. Shit happens. He scored the winning try in the game before lest we forget.

    However, what with the sitter last minute penalty he missed against the Brumbies last year and now again, it would be fair for someone else to be training to kick any last minute sitters from here on in.

  • Comment 66, posted at 20.03.16 19:15:59 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 65) : hope so, we should expect and demand to beat any team in this competition at home.

  • Comment 67, posted at 20.03.16 19:16:51 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 66) : problem is currently I don’t think the Sharks have another option except maybe April?!?!

  • Comment 68, posted at 20.03.16 19:21:12 by JD Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 67) : I do think the Sharks can beat the Saders in Curbs!

  • Comment 69, posted at 20.03.16 19:21:44 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 69) : We are going to beat them.

  • Comment 70, posted at 20.03.16 19:46:28 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 70) : I’m sure we will!!! Sharks by 6!!!

  • Comment 71, posted at 20.03.16 20:47:02 by JD Reply
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  • What the hell was the story with the jerseys ? Running on with no numbers and some with numbers falling off. Very unprofessional for a professional team like the Sharks.

  • Comment 72, posted at 20.03.16 20:49:29 by Ottie Bosvark Reply

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  • @Ottie Bosvark (Comment 72) : although it looked bad I think the whole jersey thing is more a reflection on BLK (the kit sponsor). Just hope they sort it out before trying the Cherry jerseys again.

  • Comment 73, posted at 20.03.16 20:58:21 by JD Reply
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  • @Ottie Bosvark (Comment 72) : they all ran on with numbers…

  • Comment 74, posted at 20.03.16 21:01:11 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 73) : I asked BLK – they said it’s not them…. another party is responsible for applying the numbers.

    They are investigating what happened.

  • Comment 75, posted at 20.03.16 21:45:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 74) : some numbers appeared to have fallen off even before the players took the field. Keegan, for instance, had no number at all by the time he came on. Hyron’s was hanging halfway off.

  • Comment 76, posted at 20.03.16 21:46:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 76) : perhaps in the huddle in the change room just before the match, it seemed the slightest bit of contact and they dropped off like flies.

  • Comment 77, posted at 20.03.16 21:54:52 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 77) : Maybe they played a game of “touch footy” in the change room – now that will explain a lot of things. :)

  • Comment 78, posted at 20.03.16 22:08:29 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 75) : sorry to say Rob but as kit sponsor I believe it’s up to them to ensure it’s done properly.

  • Comment 79, posted at 20.03.16 22:14:22 by JD Reply
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  • Go with Nike next, those Jaguars jerseys look amazing.

    The Sharks jersey and shorts are also far too cluttered with sponsors’ logos…

  • Comment 80, posted at 20.03.16 22:17:36 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 74) : @robdylan (Comment 76) : @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 77) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 78) : maybe it was a plan by the Sharks in case of foul play then the TMO can’t give a number?!?!?

  • Comment 81, posted at 20.03.16 22:18:29 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 79) : Why? If the numbers are put on after then they are put on after…. Why on earth would it he their fault? Sure if it’s their job, but according to what they said to Rob it’s not…

    They looked like iron ons that someone had had tried to stick on with pritt.

  • Comment 82, posted at 20.03.16 22:20:16 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 80) : Yea let’s get rid of the logos, and send back all our new signings at the same time….

  • Comment 83, posted at 20.03.16 22:21:30 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 81) : Clearly it worked…not a single yellow/red nor post match citing. ;)

  • Comment 84, posted at 20.03.16 22:21:32 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 80) : nothing wrong with the black home jersey and white away jerseys, I just don’t like the cherry!! Don’t think the Sharks have more sponsors logos than most other teams.

  • Comment 85, posted at 20.03.16 22:26:17 by JD Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 84) : :twisted: :smile: :twisted:

  • Comment 86, posted at 20.03.16 22:29:17 by JD Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 83) : sure, I’m aware the advertising space brings in revenue. How come other teams don’t have so much advertising space up for sale? Like the successful New Zealand sides, for starters?

    The 4×4 car manufacturer on the players’buttocks is the pits.

  • Comment 87, posted at 20.03.16 22:32:44 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Seth101 (Comment 82) : look I don’t know who’s job it is to put on the numbers but for me it should be part of the kit sponsors work to deliver jerseys with numbers. But I could be wrong and the Sharks order jerseys without numbers.

  • Comment 88, posted at 20.03.16 22:33:38 by JD Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 87) : ja that does look bad!!! Although it is the perfec place for Jeep as they are a pain in the ass!!!

  • Comment 89, posted at 20.03.16 22:36:28 by JD Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 87) : A stronger currency, along side a completey different contracting system, where the NZRU pay franchises to contract players…. I don’t see SARU giving each team $5m, maybe if they did we wouldn’t have so many sponsors.

  • Comment 90, posted at 20.03.16 22:42:11 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 82) : they think that whoever ironed the number on did it on “the wrong setting”

  • Comment 91, posted at 20.03.16 22:45:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • must say, I think iron-on numbers are a stupid idea in the first place. Numbers should be screen-printed onto the players’ jerseys, just like all the other logos are

  • Comment 92, posted at 20.03.16 22:46:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • We have the following sponsors’logos that I can see:

    Top of the shoulders: Fidelity
    Top of the Arms: Cell C
    Collar: BLK
    Left chest: NOSA (and because of that BLK goes centre chest)
    Centre chest: BLK
    Sternum: a big Cell C
    Back shoulders: Kyocera
    Lower back: Fidelity
    Front of the shorts: Cell C (it’s massive too)
    Buttocks: Jeep (a really shit place)
    Back of the shorts: BLK

    Next thing they will be selling space on the scrum caps too.

    That’s a lot of signage. It does detract somewhat from the kit. I realise there’s a quid pro quo but damn those Adidas Kiwi jerseys for all their teams just look so much more uncluttered.

  • Comment 93, posted at 20.03.16 22:50:36 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 91) : Is off a setting?

  • Comment 94, posted at 20.03.16 22:52:03 by Seth101 Reply
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  • Do the Kiwi teams sell the naming rights for their stadiums too?

  • Comment 95, posted at 20.03.16 22:53:02 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 93) : I’d take a jersey made up entirely of sponsors names if it mean having the best players. We signed more talent then any other team I’m the tournament, besides the Jaguares but that’s different. It comes at a cost, a big one. Personally I’m perfectly happy with it.

  • Comment 96, posted at 20.03.16 22:54:31 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 96) : when you put it like that… :lol:

    See Lood de Jager is linked with the Bulls?

  • Comment 97, posted at 20.03.16 22:55:37 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 95) : But yes it would be nice if we got $5m from our rugby union like the kiwi teams, unfortunately that’s not going to be happening anytime soon.

  • Comment 98, posted at 20.03.16 22:55:46 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 98) : The NZRU dishes out NZ$25m each year to their franchises?

    What does SARU do with their money?

  • Comment 99, posted at 20.03.16 22:58:01 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • Like think about it, I can’t think of any other team that signed anywhere near the same amount of quality players that we did…. It’s actually pretty impressive, hadn’t given it much thought until now.

    Lood to the Bulls is no surprise at all. No way The Cheetahs could keep him. Pity it’s not us getting him, but we did get the of their good players so meh.

  • Comment 100, posted at 20.03.16 22:59:40 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 99) : Nz$5m. Ask Roux, he seems to know a lot about stashing away money.

  • Comment 101, posted at 20.03.16 23:01:23 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 101) : Actually not sure if it’s NZ$ or $, I’m presuming it’s NZ$, also it’s 5m in 2010, I presume it’s more now.

  • Comment 102, posted at 20.03.16 23:06:40 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 102) : I was asking if it’s $5m to each team, or do you mean $1m to each team?

  • Comment 103, posted at 20.03.16 23:09:32 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 103) : 5m to each team “”We’ve said to our franchises, here’s $5 million each, you go away and contract the players yourselves and what the NZRU will do is we will top up the All Blacks, those 30 to 35 guys.”

    http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/4330425/New-Super-player-contract-system-hailed

  • Comment 104, posted at 20.03.16 23:10:56 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 92) : exactly!!!

  • Comment 105, posted at 20.03.16 23:14:31 by JD Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 104) : Jeez can you imagine giving all that money to Cheeky? :shock:

  • Comment 106, posted at 20.03.16 23:17:38 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 93) : also some space left on the socks!

  • Comment 107, posted at 20.03.16 23:20:18 by JD Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 99) : pay the Kings?!?!

  • Comment 108, posted at 20.03.16 23:22:18 by JD Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 106) : Even more money for him to spend of holidays and not pay to his players.

  • Comment 109, posted at 20.03.16 23:23:16 by Seth101 Reply
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  • @Seth101 (Comment 101) : @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 106) : do not trust either of them!!! Hope SA rugby can get rid of them both!!!

  • Comment 110, posted at 20.03.16 23:26:06 by JD Reply
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  • @Sharks_have_Character! (Comment 97) : @Seth101 (Comment 100) : would be nice if the Sharks could get Lood but then again if Lewies and Botha can remain injury free I think the Sharks should be fine without him.

  • Comment 111, posted at 20.03.16 23:31:13 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 75) :

    That is such a typical SA response. Whenever there’s an f-up, the responsible “party” is nowhere to be found…so they must investigate…..only the “party” investigating may be equally incompetent……then nothing.

    Perhaps it was the same “party” that hired the “make it up as I go” signer at Mandela’s funeral.

  • Comment 112, posted at 21.03.16 00:22:26 by fyndraai Reply
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  • This is a very interesting article from Wynne Gray, giving his opinion on the new Super Rugby format and expansion.

    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11608234

    In summary, he is not a fan. Apart from the NZ derbies so far, according to him, the rest of the tournament has had a bit of a ho hum feel to it. It provides quite an interesting Kiwi perspective, especially if you read the handful of comments too. The thought of a Bulls v Sharks game apparently just doesn’t seem to interest Gray either.

    His solution is for NZ to seek a new Trans-Tasman tournament from 2020. Trans-Tasman means New Zealand and Australia, so he’d be quite happy to see the backs of SA.

    I can see why South African derbies may be very unappealing to all but South Africans. Hell, I’m sick of South African derbies myself. I much prefer to see the Sharks play against any foreign team rather than another boring, physical, bash-it-up, poor handling snore fest. So it makes me concerned when pre-eminent rugby minds in NZ (and the everyday Simon’s and Joe’s commenting) want a future tournament without SA. We’re practically half way there as it is with a current format which sees the NZ and Aus teams playing each other every year but only half the SA teams.

    You only have to read Blackadder’s comments in the news today that the Crusaders are expecting a “kick-fest” in South Africa (they play the Sharks and Lions here) or listen to Argentinian scrumhalf Landajo’s post match comments after the Chiefs game when he said “New Zealand teams are great, New Zealand teams are dynamic, we learn from New Zealand teams” to know that South African teams are in desperate need of revolutionising the way they play. And the thing is, if we regularly won the Rugby Championship and Super Rugby, we could all tell them to sod off but the fact is, the way South African teams play rugby is hardly the ticket to success anyway. So why not bring in radical change?

    While Gray may have no interest in watching any SA derbies I’m more than happy to sit down and watch any NZ derby because generally they are fascinating, skilful and fast paced encounters. It’s a little embarrassing to hear our foes have appetite for watching ours.

    Personally , my view is that Super Rugby 2016 has been pretty exciting so far. I’ve been very pleasantly surprised in fact. It has my interest. I just wish the SA teams can be a little more adventurous and skilful.

    Sure, it’s starting to sink in with the way the Lions are playing and the way da Legend from da Stormers is talking about his team’s path (although we’ve yet to see any sign of it so far). Come on Sharks, time to join the party.

  • Comment 113, posted at 21.03.16 02:12:24 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • *our foes have no appetite for watching ours.

  • Comment 114, posted at 21.03.16 02:15:00 by Sharks_have_Character! Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 92) : The sponsor logos are part of the jersey design and the sublimation process when the jerseys are manufactured, the numbers are normally put on afterwards as required, either by local printers or even by the union itself if they have a heatpress machine.

    @Seth101 (Comment 98) : The last I heard our franchises got about R7.5m each, maybe up to about R10m now. Our franchises depend largely on sponsorships, advertising and gate monies to generate income. Would have been great if we got R50m a year

  • Comment 115, posted at 21.03.16 08:23:43 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 115) : appreciate the explanation from somebody who clearly knows how it works. Is there a good reason for this? I guess you complicate your manufacturing process greatly if you add the numbers at “sublimation” time, because instead of manufacturing, say, 1000 of the same jersey (50 jerseys x 20 matches) you end up doing far smaller batches of 23 different designs.

  • Comment 116, posted at 21.03.16 10:15:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 116) : The problem would be the number of different sizes that need to be made for various positions.

    Normally the heat press process doesn’t cause the type of problem that was experienced over the weekend. As you mentioned it could have been the wrong settings which didn’t melt the glue enough to stick properly or it could even have been defective vinyl or a different brand of vinyl that required different setting.

    The Cherry jerseys go through exactly the same manufacturing process at the same factory as the black or the white jerseys so it couldn’t have been the jerseys

  • Comment 117, posted at 21.03.16 10:24:46 by Baylion Reply

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  • Ok ok I give up,it was my granny ,her fault,she forgot to put the iron on as well as the Pritt,but hey she’s a 100,as for logos I agree with Seth,you still have the socks,scrum cap & mouth guard,it makes the Sharks look like a proper Pro team,the real deal.look at Bjorn Borg every cm covered in logo,why,cause sponsors want to be associated with the best

  • Comment 118, posted at 21.03.16 10:50:02 by benji Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 115) : @robdylan (Comment 116) : OK that makes sense did not think of it like that.

  • Comment 119, posted at 21.03.16 11:43:23 by JD Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 117) : Agree. Those numbers coming off is normally because either the heat or pressure setting is too low, the press duration is too short or a combo of them.

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