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SARU hopes to ratify Bok coach appointment at today’s AGM


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 1 Apr 2016 at 09:26
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Committees, eh? Anyone who’s ever been on one will tell you they’re a terrible way to make decisions and get things done. SA Rugby, unfortunately, is no different and as you can imagine, there’s a fair bit of “process-schmocess” that needs to happen before something as significant as a Springbok coach announcement can be made.

The media at large whipped themselves up into a frenzy earlier in the year and decided (without any real evidence) that the new coach would be named today. Of course, much hilarity ensued as one by one they all trotted out the same joke about April Fools Day. Turns out, though, that the joke is actually on them, since all that is happening today is the SARU AGM – a very long and likely boring committee meeting with “Ratify preferred candidate to coach the Springboks” one of the items on today’s agenda.

All one can really hope is that they get to vote before the lunch cart is rolled out, lest one of the valued administrators on the Presidents’ Council finds a way to stymie the process.

SA Rugby issues a release yesterday indicating that, should the preferred candidate’s appointment be ratified at today’s AGM, we can inspect the new Springbok coach and his assistants to be unveiled at a press conference on April 12. Note the big caveat there… hopefully the wait will soon be over, though.



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  • What!a!farce!!

  • Comment 1, posted at 01.04.16 09:27:08 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 1) : it’s what happens when you hand a body of 14 elected amateurs total power over the body that oversees a professional enterprise worth millions of Rands.

  • Comment 2, posted at 01.04.16 09:29:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • Perfect day to usher in the new clown,wouldn’t it be beautiful if Hoskins announces Coetzee and as Alistar steps up ,he shouts April Fool.

  • Comment 3, posted at 01.04.16 09:30:44 by The hound Reply
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  • It would’ve been freaking hilarious if they’ve announced Jake White as new Coach.

  • Comment 4, posted at 01.04.16 09:32:47 by JarsonX Reply
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  • Suppose if they had to only vote for the canditate today, they then need to sign him etc and only then announce him, so the wait makes sense. Granted they’ve had since December to do this and now we are in a position where the coach is going to be announced less than a month before the Boks first game. If it is Coetzee that gets the job all this waiting will be infuriating as most seem to think he’s the one who’s going to be named.

    If Meyer thought he didn’t have enough time in 2012 with 4 or 5 month, the new Bok coach has got his work cutout.

    One question: If Coetzee is appointed, is he not in a job currently and does that mean he’s going to cut his ties immediately with his current club or will he be there until the end of April giving him next to no time in SA before the Irish rock up?

  • Comment 5, posted at 01.04.16 09:49:00 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 5) :all part of the plan to sabotage the new coach and new plans. Its not surprising anymore just dissapointing, I find myself watching more and more soccer these days.

  • Comment 6, posted at 01.04.16 11:03:35 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 6) : it is el classico this weekend.

  • Comment 7, posted at 01.04.16 11:22:30 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • Just give the job to Coetzee, its the safest option. I dont have the stomach for all the crap that would go with anyone else getting the job.
    As long as the Sharks get the best coach available then Im pretty happy. :twisted:

  • Comment 8, posted at 01.04.16 11:47:21 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Hulk Coetzee has a clause in his contract if he is offered the Springboks job he can leave immediately.

  • Comment 9, posted at 01.04.16 12:31:08 by Fox Reply

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  • @Fox (Comment 9) : This is starting to sound like a done deal. I’ve no issue with Coetzee (at least he won’t pick on size alone) but I was hoping for someone a little more creative.

  • Comment 10, posted at 01.04.16 12:37:19 by Hulk Reply

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  • Geeeeez can Gary Gold not go a single press conference without mentioning the dreaded ‘C’ word? It seems the more we suck the more he pulls it out. OKKKKK we get it, the Sharks have character but we’re more concerned by what else they have now Gary Gold! Constantly trumpeting up a team’s character sounds like trumpeting up the ‘spirit’ award given to the house which comes last on inter-house athletics day…

    Snippets from News 24:

    Gold is happy with the temperament at which the players are handling the criticism from the supporters.

    “I think even the most disappointed Sharks fan can’t criticise our character,” he added.

    “It’s up to them to bring the character, and they’ve done that.”

    “However, we’re not remotely the finished business, but if we carry on showing the character we’re showing in our performances against teams as lethal as the likes of the Crusaders, we’ll grow in confidence.

  • Comment 11, posted at 01.04.16 12:46:48 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 8) : and when will that happen?

  • Comment 12, posted at 01.04.16 12:56:35 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • I think we may safely say that the SA rugby fans (and media) are getting the process they deserve.
    They already have the Presidents Council they deserve.
    If it’s AC and he takes they job they’ll be getting better than they deserve.

    I hope he has a thick skin though. He’s already hated in Cape Town for his game-plan and he’ll be hated in Durban and Pretoria for being from the Cape. Meyer at least had a regional fan base.

  • Comment 13, posted at 01.04.16 13:02:43 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 13) : How can Coetzee be hated in the Cape? He took a mediocre team which had only ever been in 2 semi finals before his appointment and had them overachieving with 3 semi finals in a row, and their first ever final.

  • Comment 14, posted at 01.04.16 13:05:15 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) :

    Can you give us a whos-who?

    Is the guy from KNRU not a big shot business man? Kevin de Klerk supposedly also. Watson is a hero, How many can legitimately be tagged as “ooms”. Are we even allowed to have digs at people based on their ethnic group over here?

  • Comment 15, posted at 01.04.16 13:08:05 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 15) : I’ve never ever considered “oom” to be an ethnic dig but ja nee if you say so…

    Mike Greenaway is my favourite rugby writer- it helps that he writes the majority of his stuff about the Sharks of course. But even he seems to have been bested by the new convoluted tournament format… come on Mike, get to grips with it if you’re going to write abut it!

    “And then the Sharks embark on a very tough away schedule that includes the Blues in Auckland, the Chiefs in Hamilton and the Highlanders in Dunedin. They briefly return home for a match against the Hurricanes before facing the Jaguares in Buenos Aires.

    It could be worse. They could be a New Zealand team that plays home and away games against all of their fellow Kiwi teams. That, on the one hand, means that the New Zealanders face a constantly high standard of opposition but it also means they have almost no games against token opposition.

    SA teams in the Sharks’ Pool by contrast have 10 “bonus” points against the Kings and the Sunwolves.”

    1. Yes, the NZ teams are in the most competitive conference. But they don’t play home and away games against every NZ team in their conference, ONLY TWO with the other two EITHER home OR away. There are 6 intra-conference games.

    2. The NZ teams don’t just play against themselves. Their freebie games come against the Australian teams and half the South African teams. Every NZ team plays EVERY Australian team so they get freebies against the Force, Reds and Rebels and EITHER the Sunwolves AND Cheetahs OR the Kings.

    3. Teams in the Sharks’ pool play the Kings home and away so that is the “10 bonus points” he speaks of. But they also play the Sunwolves EITHER home OR away and that could be an additional 5 points – but a bonus point against them has been by no means guaranteed for SA teams so far…

    Get it right if you write.

  • Comment 16, posted at 01.04.16 13:34:33 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 15) : Oom is surely not an ethnically based term of addressing someone. My daughter, for instance, would address Allister Coetzee as oom.

  • Comment 17, posted at 01.04.16 13:54:48 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Voodoo Rookin (Comment 12) : Its a work in progress. Be patient, it builds character.

  • Comment 18, posted at 01.04.16 13:58:06 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • the preferred candidate has been ratified

  • Comment 19, posted at 01.04.16 14:31:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 19) : but wait…its going to take another 2 weeks before he is announced. The another 2 weeks to determine the selection committee. Followed by another 2 weeks to determine if they will pick overseas Boks…and then another oh wait Ireland is here oh crap…haha

  • Comment 20, posted at 01.04.16 14:44:44 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Someone in the media MUST have asked why it will now only be announced on 12 April? What is the 12 days for? Seems dof.

  • Comment 21, posted at 01.04.16 14:51:43 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • @Voodoo Rookin (Comment 21) : Apparently to agree contract terms and choose assistants. Remember lawyers will be involved..and they work so quickly…

  • Comment 22, posted at 01.04.16 14:54:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 22) : but here’s the thing… they’ve had so long to do it… apparently the appointment is an open secret… cut and dried weeks ago… do you honestly believe they’d only just be getting round to dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s now?

    And if this is the case, then I can tell you SARU is doomed if this really is the way they conduct business. A bunch of dof dinosaurs stuck in the stone age, with no business acumen or competency if this true.

  • Comment 23, posted at 01.04.16 15:08:33 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • If the appointment is being ratified today then terms will, at the very least, have been provisionally agreed but most likely already agreed.

  • Comment 24, posted at 01.04.16 15:11:05 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • You don’t ratify an appointment without the parties knowing that terms are mutually agreeable. So again, why a 12 day delay? The appointment is the appointment, the question of who his assistants are is of no consequence and certainly no reason to delay the announcement.

  • Comment 25, posted at 01.04.16 15:13:04 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 15) : I apologise if I offended you!

  • Comment 26, posted at 01.04.16 15:15:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Voodoo Rookin (Comment 23) : To answer your question: yup i fully believe they did nothing till this meeting. Took 5min to agree who they want but then they need too still figure out what terms and conditions they want in the contract. I wouldnt be surprised to hear that the announcement date gets pushed back

  • Comment 27, posted at 01.04.16 15:17:57 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Voodoo Rookin (Comment 24) : @Voodoo Rookin (Comment 25) : I think you jumping a few steps ahead here…todays meeting was for all the presidents to hear the name of the guy that is the preferred candidate and all agree that yes he is indeed the preferred guy. Now they have to approach him and discuss terms etc.

  • Comment 28, posted at 01.04.16 15:19:46 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 28) : I don’t believe any commercial organisation runs its business like you suggest.

    If these presidents had only heard the name of the guy today – which in my view is very naive to believe – and all of them agreed ‘jissus he is a good oke’ and suitable for the role there is no guarantee that candidate would even be interested unless discussions have already taken place and provisional or full terms already agreed (subject to ratification by the presidents).

    Today was just a necessary tick box exercise in terms of whichever constitution or memoranda apply.

  • Comment 29, posted at 01.04.16 15:29:44 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • @Voodoo Rookin (Comment 29) : I believe the candidates put forward were all approached and asked if they would be available. I very much doubt any contract negotiations would have taken place or they would have just announced the guy today. I fully believe these 2 weeks are needed to agree terms etc. I cannot think of any other reason why the wait, can you?

  • Comment 30, posted at 01.04.16 15:39:08 by SheldonK Reply

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  • If the person is indeed Coetzee it is no coincidence he has been on ‘holiday’ in Cape Town for the past few weeks…

    My gripe is why the snail’s pace which has beset this process from the very end of the Rugby World Cup?

  • Comment 31, posted at 01.04.16 15:39:50 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 30) :

    how sure are you there were other candidates?

    How many were there?

    Who were they put forward to?

    Who decided on this so called shortlist of candidates?

    How do you whittle down candidates without entering into some negotiation?

    Perhaps most important of all – how can you possibly ratify the appointment of a candidate if you haven’t yet discovered that you’re on the same planet in terms of expected contractual terms?

    Have you ever been involved in a commercial organisation?

    “I very much doubt any contract negotiations would have taken place or they would have just announced the guy today.” If you accept that the ratified candidate knows full well he has the job – either having agreed full terms or provisional terms – then you would agree this delay is bizarre and unnecessary?

  • Comment 32, posted at 01.04.16 15:46:56 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • Can anyone tell me what a Springbok selector’s roles and responsibilities are? I can sort of deduce from the name ‘selector’ but would appreciate any finer details.

  • Comment 33, posted at 01.04.16 15:47:40 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Voodoo Rookin (Comment 32) : Not being a Union president and being in the meeting i cannot anwser how many candidates there were and who selected them etc. All i can go on is what they have released to the media which is that the council agreed upon the preferred candidate (all of whom has indicated they would be available for the job, not that they would definitely take it). So now that they have agreed on the guy they can formally offer him the job and agree terms. So yes i have been involved in commercial organisations for many years now and i have never given a job applicant the contract before offering him the job. So i fully get where they are in this process. Why they have taken so long to get there i have no idea…but when dealing with government officials i can start to understand

  • Comment 34, posted at 01.04.16 15:54:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 30) : lets go along with your hypothesis.

    Today was just about agreeing who the preferred candidate should be.

    Now he can be approached to see if he wants the job and whether terms can be agreed.

    A seemingly arbitrary deadline of 7 business days has been set to thrash out terms and reach agreement because whether we like it or not, we have been told the new Bok coach will be announced on 12 April.

    What if the preferred candidate, who is only now according to you being approached, decides after some tentative discussions that he is not satisfied with the terms being offered? Or anything, such as an otherwise unremarkable benefit as a company vehicle, or private medical fund.

    Can you imagine any organisation taking that risk?

    Can you imagine the embarrassment and detrimental publicity if on the 12 April we are told the preferred candidate is no longer interested because the negotiations fell through and instead we have to ratify a new ‘preferred candidate’ and only then can we start negotiations with that person?

  • Comment 35, posted at 01.04.16 15:55:18 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • @Voodoo Rookin (Comment 35) : Well yes i can believe that scenario, which is why i mentioned earlier that i wouldnt be surprised to hear the announcement date is being pushed back. There is no guarantee that the preferred candidate will accept the job, he has merely said he is interested and available so far thats it. So depending how flexible the terms are or if its a take it or leave it situation the process could either be wrapped up very quickly or they may need to find a new candidate. Thats pretty much how every organisation employs people…get applicants…pick one…offer them the job…if both agree on terms then employment commences.

  • Comment 36, posted at 01.04.16 15:59:25 by SheldonK Reply

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  • “He made the announcement following the ratification of the coach’s appointment by rugby’s General Council – made up of the 14 member unions of SA Rugby. Ratification by the council is the final step in the constitutional process to appoint a Springbok coach.

    Hoskins said that now that the final governance hurdle had been cleared the formal completion of the new coach’s contract and of that of his management team could be completed.”

    So the appointment has taken place because it has been ratified.

    As I expected, today is a formal governance procedure in terms of any constitution or memoranda.

    When someone says “the formal completion” of the new coach’s contract, it means it will now be signed. It means the terms have already been provisionally agreed subject to formal ratification.

    It is a done deal.

    So I go back to my question – why do we wait 12 days to announce the done deal?

  • Comment 37, posted at 01.04.16 16:01:03 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • @Voodoo Rookin (Comment 37) : Seems to be its hardly a done deal if they need to wait 12 days for what i assume to be the coaches lawyers to go over the contract?

  • Comment 38, posted at 01.04.16 16:03:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 38) : dude, you are not comprehending what I have written.

    Because of our rugby’s archaic set up, we need to involve the 14 presidents to formally ratify the appointment. Ratification means to give your formal consent to something. Ratification needs to be done in order for the appointment to be valid in terms of the organisation’s constitution.

    Trust me. The appointment has been made. When you are told that all that remains is for the “formal completion” of the new coach’s contract to take place, this is legal speak for – it just needs to be signed. Just trust me in this, ok?

    So effectively, if you are with me on this so far, you and I both agree that this 12 day delay is arbitrary and seemingly pointless.

    It just seems to add further delay and speculation to what could have been an easy announcement to make. Remember, clarity, transparency and openess are any public organisation’s friends.

  • Comment 39, posted at 01.04.16 16:13:31 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • Well I don’t mind Coetzee at all. Compared to the steaming pile of shit that we had to consume under that previous fucktard, this is foie gras. As long as he gets to pick his own assistants and they are capable, we will be fine.

  • Comment 40, posted at 01.04.16 16:15:05 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • Oh well, so much for all the April fool’s jokes around this….seems we’ll have to patiently wait another 2 weeks for the saruminati to announce the chosen one – not sure why that should take another 2 weeks though. :roll:

  • Comment 41, posted at 01.04.16 16:18:43 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • When I heard the new Bok coach would be announced on 1 April, I cringed because it meant nobody within the organisation had turned their mind to the inevitable PR disaster of announcing the new coach on April Fool’s Day. Especially in this instance when we are led to believe it’s hardly like we had the creme de la creme interested in the role.

    I figured the smart thing to do would have been to postpone the announcement to Monday morning. I was expecting something along these lines so it didn’t surprise me in the slightest when we were told early this week the ratification process would continue today but not the announcement.

    It is only today we are now being told the actual announcement will take place on 12 April.

    Which goes back to my initial question… surely someone with half a brain would have asked, “why”?

  • Comment 42, posted at 01.04.16 16:19:04 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • or more appropriately, “why so long?”

  • Comment 43, posted at 01.04.16 16:20:23 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • @Voodoo Rookin (Comment 39) : I am fully comprehending what you are saying. Based on what is written they make it appear as though its a done deal. Well then why not announce it today as initially stated? Why the article in the press yesterday saying they still need to agree final terms and about selecting assistants etc? So why the 12 days unless not everything is done and final as its made out to be? I cannot think of a single reason for the 12 days other than not everything is fully agreed and finalised in terms of the contract.

  • Comment 44, posted at 01.04.16 16:21:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 40) : Asfak Mohamed wrote earlier in the week the assistants have already been selected. The forwards coach remains unchanged – Johan Van Graan – while apparently we are in for a surprise with the backs coach.

    A news report suggested it will be either Chester Williams or Mzwandile Stick (the Kings backs coach)

  • Comment 45, posted at 01.04.16 16:24:17 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 44) : EXACTLY!!!!!!! Why the 12 days????? Yippeee we got there in the end :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 46, posted at 01.04.16 16:25:15 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 40) : :shock: . Will you reserve the same thoughts for the new coach if he is less successful than the previous one.

    Anyway I wont expect much different from AC to what we previously had, maybe an even more defense minded approach.Time will tell.

  • Comment 47, posted at 01.04.16 16:26:53 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • …is their any chance that the new Bok coach won’t be AC?

    The big secret will be his assistants – there has been zero speculation around who they could be….could make for interesting conversation as we count down the 12 days of Christmas. :)

  • Comment 48, posted at 01.04.16 16:27:04 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Voodoo Rookin (Comment 46) : We always on the same page just different paragraphs. If everything was done and dusted then 100% the 12 days does not make sense. So trying to make sense of it is why i can only think of the reason that not everything is as done and dusted as reported.

  • Comment 49, posted at 01.04.16 16:27:24 by SheldonK Reply

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  • In a tweet from IOL: “Hoskins #SpringbokCoach assistants,very important to look at representivity in that regard”

    The decisions have all been made already.

  • Comment 50, posted at 01.04.16 16:29:09 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • @Voodoo Rookin (Comment 45) : So basically the same dredge that we suffered under HM :shock:

  • Comment 51, posted at 01.04.16 16:30:18 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Another IOL tweet: “Hoskins: Want to appoint Black coaches,I am confident person we have in mind (can do well)”

  • Comment 52, posted at 01.04.16 16:31:35 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • Right, here is a possible reason for the delay and also why they cannot say it, because it will tell us exactly who the new coach is.

    The new head coach is having difficulty extracting himself from a current contract in Japan. The problems are not fatal but are taking longer than expected to conclude.

  • Comment 53, posted at 01.04.16 16:34:58 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • For once Ashfak Mohamed is useful:

    “Independent Media understands that the possible delay with the naming of the coach is around Coetzee’s contractual obligations with his current employers, the Kobe Steelers club side in Japan.

    While Coetzee does have a “get-out” clause in his contract to become the Bok coach, a well-placed source has told Independent Media that the former Stormers boss “doesn’t want to just walk away” from Kobe.

    “There is a get-out clause, but Saru are following procedures with the club. He (Coetzee) doesn’t just want to walk away immediately like that. That is part of the reason Saru want to only name him on April 12,” the source said.”

  • Comment 54, posted at 01.04.16 16:36:32 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • @Voodoo Rookin (Comment 52) : Got it, AC + Chester Williams (UWC coach) + Hanyani Shimange (UCT coach).

  • Comment 55, posted at 01.04.16 16:36:34 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 55) : Throw in Paul Treu and then we will be sorted.

  • Comment 56, posted at 01.04.16 16:41:55 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Van Graan was the forwards AND ‘attack’ coach for Meyer’s Boks :roll: He signed a contract extension after the World Cup.

    According to our favourite Stormers fan boy writer, he has the job for the forwards.

    Please keep him far away from ‘attack’. But please also keep Coetzee far away from ‘attack’. I pray the backs coach is someone ultra experienced and successful but somehow I believe we are going to be let down in both departments big time…

  • Comment 57, posted at 01.04.16 16:42:29 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • @Voodoo Rookin (Comment 57) : For some reason, in SA, the backs coach is reserved for some dead wood there to make up the coaching numbers.

  • Comment 58, posted at 01.04.16 17:26:02 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • So I see three “Currie Cup” first round matches (the new Vodacom Cup) will be played in the townships.

    Because this new ‘first round’ Currie Cup replaces the old Vodacom Cup is this why the XV has been added to the Sharks who play in the first round?

    Friday, April 8: Sugar Ray Xulu Stadium, Clermont – Sharks XV v Boland Cavaliers (19:00)
    Saturday, April 23: King Zwelithini Stadium, Umlazi – Sharks XV v Namibia (15:00)
    Friday, May 20: Princess Magogo Stadium, Kwa-Mashu – Sharks XV v Golden Lions (19:00)

    Also, if the 6 franchise unions all get compulsory entrance into the ‘second round’ along with the top 3 of Namibia and the other 8 unions from the first round, why do the 6 franchise unions even bother with ‘XV’ teams in the first round anyway? Vodacom Cup dressed up as Currie Cup.

    Seems like a big mess…

  • Comment 59, posted at 01.04.16 17:40:01 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • So anyone going to watch any of these township games?

  • Comment 60, posted at 01.04.16 17:41:14 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • @Voodoo Rookin (Comment 59) : Sharks might as well use these games and to get the game to communities who wouldn’t normally watch any rugby….can’t see it bearing fruit in any other aspects than this.

  • Comment 61, posted at 01.04.16 17:50:22 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • It’s a good initiative and I’d like to see more of these meaningless contests played in the “communities” of Natal (not just Durban). Developing tomorrow’s Currie Cup players can happen on any turf.

  • Comment 62, posted at 01.04.16 17:59:55 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • I like the idea of taking the game to the townships.Spread the game and give some kids that would never experience a game a match day treat.

  • Comment 63, posted at 01.04.16 18:21:38 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Voodoo Rookin (Comment 62) : My biggest gripe with saruminati, players that are selected for Craven week are 98% based on the school you’re from.

    No effort is being put into unearthing diamonds in the rough….they want to select the national team based on “demographics”, yet zero effort is being put into developing the sport amongst those that will never be discovered, because they represent the wrong school/university/father-never-played-for-boks

  • Comment 64, posted at 01.04.16 18:24:05 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) :

    Ha!
    You did not offend me, but singling out the “Ooms” as being just there for the food and drink did sound like a dig based on ethnicity.
    You may take it as a friendly reprimand. Unless I misunderstood, and you meant to call the drunkards, “Ooms, rather than the “Ooms” drunkards. If this is the case you are in the clear. ;)

  • Comment 65, posted at 01.04.16 19:47:50 by fyndraai Reply
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  • Anyways. According to SARUs website, these are the Presidents.
    Gert Wessels
    Ivan Pekeur
    Phumlani Mkolo
    Cheeky Watson
    Lindsay Mould
    Kevin de Klerk
    Randal September
    Jannie Louw
    Andre May
    Hein Mentz
    Graham McKenzie
    Hennie Baartman
    Vivian Lottering
    Thelo Wakefield

    Who will spot the “Ooms” for us?

    I know it’s popular to belittle these guys for being elected amateurs, but do anyone have a better governance model in mind? Except for dictators who appoint their family members to these boards, elected officials are pretty much the world wide standard.

  • Comment 66, posted at 01.04.16 19:54:06 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 66) : how about we do away with them all and have our franchises sing the tune of SA Rugby? NZ has a workable and successful model…

    In other news I read there is now pressure for a “black African” assistant coach to be appointed so the money is on Mzwandile Stick. He is the Kings back coach. The Kings backs have looked really hot this year.

  • Comment 67, posted at 01.04.16 21:11:06 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • @Voodoo Rookin (Comment 67) : The last proper backline coach we had in SA was David Campese….we do not know how to coach backlines.

  • Comment 68, posted at 01.04.16 21:49:14 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Voodoo Rookin (Comment 67) :

    Yes. “We” should do away with them all!

    Who exactly is this “we”, that you are a part of, that is empowered to do things like that?
    I suspect you’re not, but if by chance you are a “we”, then I suggest you post a little less nonsense here and go ahead implement this NZ model you speak of.

  • Comment 69, posted at 02.04.16 00:56:40 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 69) : it’s ok mate, English isn’t your first language, so I understand you may have some difficulty with it.

    Ontspan ‘n bietjie, hoor?

  • Comment 70, posted at 02.04.16 02:26:01 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 69) : or perhaps I should have said: ontspan ‘n bietjie Oom.

  • Comment 71, posted at 02.04.16 02:33:46 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 69) : hoekom is jy so sensitief? Is jy n kind of wat?

  • Comment 72, posted at 02.04.16 06:18:23 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 72) : Hoekom moet hy dit aanvaar? There will never be an article worded in a manner that might point to another ethnic group.

    If I misinterpreted how it’s used Rob I apologise. But I am also personally tired of the Afrikaans oomies being blames for everything. This not the first dig in an article or post.

  • Comment 73, posted at 02.04.16 08:30:34 by YamYam Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 66) : Im not sure which are “ooms” but there are a few there that I would call other things.

  • Comment 74, posted at 02.04.16 08:58:56 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Too many these days suffer from pcss (politically correctness sensitivity syndrome).

    Let’s grow ourselves a nice cosy thick skin, and stop looking for reasons to get offended.

  • Comment 75, posted at 02.04.16 09:56:23 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 75) : I agree, but then let’s not expect only one group to have thick skins.

  • Comment 76, posted at 02.04.16 10:16:39 by YamYam Reply
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  • @YamYam (Comment 76) : Afrikaners are typically a very sensitive people though. Any hint of gevaar and the laager goes up with the Mausers pointed out. You just have to look at this thread and the perceived ‘Oom’ slight to see it. Perhaps too sensitive? Incidentally it’s also why our Afrikaans-culture dominated rugby tends to only draw the best out when “our backs are to the wall”.

  • Comment 77, posted at 02.04.16 10:39:35 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 66) : can you let it go? Goodness sake, man.

  • Comment 78, posted at 02.04.16 10:53:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Voodoo Rookin (Comment 67) : we don’t discuss race here. It’s very clear in the rules.

  • Comment 79, posted at 02.04.16 10:55:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 79) : fair enough. I felt it would be fair comment and acceptable to merely repeat what SARU said, in speculating who the new backs assistant will be. But hey, happy to retract.

  • Comment 80, posted at 02.04.16 10:59:57 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • @Voodoo Rookin (Comment 80) : it’s cool. Just no more, please. These things escalate so quickly. My unfortunate “oom” comment is a good example.

  • Comment 81, posted at 02.04.16 11:01:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Voodoo Rookin (Comment 11) : I know this isn’t going to make much difference, but News24 is still digging up quotes from Saturday’s post-match presser. Gold hasn’t had any further conferences this week.

  • Comment 82, posted at 02.04.16 11:03:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 82) : ah! Haha that makes it marginally better :-)

  • Comment 83, posted at 02.04.16 11:05:22 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • @Voodoo Rookin (Comment 77) : Yes, and all English people have bad teeth… Come on…. I am Afrikaans and proud of it. And I do take offence when all Afrikaners are made to be drunkards or over sensitive.

  • Comment 84, posted at 02.04.16 11:11:05 by YamYam Reply
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  • I apologise for my rant.

  • Comment 85, posted at 02.04.16 11:33:38 by YamYam Reply
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  • @YamYam (Comment 85) : let’s just leave it and move on.

  • Comment 86, posted at 02.04.16 11:40:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @YamYam (Comment 84) : For our own sanity, we should learn to ignore the typical generalisations. Imagine the English reacting every time somebody refers to colonists, and what must the Germans feel like?

    I’ve found my life to be far more pleasurable when I do not take exception to the millions of comments made in ignorance.

  • Comment 87, posted at 02.04.16 11:45:17 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @YamYam (Comment 84) : Wait now, the crowd with the bad teeth are the English from England, the Sefrican English on the other hand have good teeth but salty willies.

  • Comment 88, posted at 02.04.16 11:55:50 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Now wouldnt be a good time for Pokkel to appear with that avatar of his.

  • Comment 89, posted at 02.04.16 11:58:55 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • So it seems all but confirmed that the coaches will be:
    AC as head coach;
    Johan van Graan as forwards coach;
    Mzwandile Stick as backlines coach.

    Apparently they will be heavily assisted by Rassie and his mobi unit. Rumors floating around that AC will be below Rassie (presume he’ll answer to him).

    No more a one man coaching show run by a dictator supported by yes-men. (not too excited about van Graan though).

    I was initially surprised by the rumours about Stick, then I heard that he coached EP u/19′s team last year…..I’m now actually hoping that he’ll be the backlines coach.

    Let’s see how it pans out, it sure can’t be less palatable than the HM regime.

  • Comment 90, posted at 02.04.16 15:10:05 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 92) : that’s about the only thing going for this combination… they can’t possibly be worse then HM’s dogshow, right?

    I have to admit though, the Springboks are rapidly becoming a team I feel increasingly ambivalent towards and that’s a little saddening.

    I’m way more pumped for the Sharks these days, and as long as any extraneous factors are kept to a minimum, I can’t see that changing.

  • Comment 91, posted at 02.04.16 15:42:35 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • @Voodoo Rookin (Comment 92) : “I have to admit though, the Springboks are rapidly becoming a team I feel increasingly ambivalent towards and that’s a little saddening.”

    I’ve felt like that for the last five years, I’m used to it by now.

  • Comment 92, posted at 02.04.16 16:08:02 by Ben Reply
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  • @Voodoo Rookin (Comment 92) : Feels like a bad relationship….I keep on going back, hoping this time will be different.

  • Comment 93, posted at 02.04.16 16:14:40 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 91) : Definitely can’t be any worse than the HM regime.

  • Comment 94, posted at 02.04.16 16:24:56 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 95) : At least for the most part, we’ll get to see something that has never been done before……no more will the Boks march to the tune of a one man band. :)

  • Comment 95, posted at 02.04.16 23:34:15 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • According to Raport: (pinch of salt needed)
    The Springbok selection panel will be scrapped….

    ” South African Super Rugby coaches will serve as Bok selectors under the new coach.”

    Not sure how much journalistic license is locked up in that sentence, but interesting developments.

    We are clearly running as far away from all things HM as we possibly can, save for Johan van Graan – hopefully he’s actually better than he ever looked under HM.

  • Comment 96, posted at 03.04.16 20:32:09 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 96) : what a joke!?!? Is it still the 1 April because this whole Bokke coach thing seems like a bad joke!

  • Comment 97, posted at 03.04.16 20:42:33 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 97) : I’m actually just happy that they are at least trying something different.

    Who knows, maybe this actually works. One thing is clear, what we’ve been doing all these years has always left us 3rd best.

    Time will tell where this new system will leave us.

  • Comment 98, posted at 03.04.16 20:52:16 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 98) : I’ll treat it with a dose of skepticism and just see how it all develops…

  • Comment 99, posted at 04.04.16 08:33:53 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Voodoo Rookin (Comment 53) : Now that probably explains the 12 days. Can you imagine how contract negotiations go between the afrikaans speaking SARU and the Japanese speaking club…talk about lost in translation

  • Comment 100, posted at 04.04.16 08:51:21 by SheldonK Reply

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  • So the smart money is on Alistair Coetzee as Head Coach with Assistants Johan Van Graan and Mzwandile Stick. Its definitely interesting. AC has been involved before in a winning Bok side…Van Graan provides some continuity and the Bok forwards under him werent bad. And Stick has been involved in the 7s coaching setup and the EP junior backs look pretty good so lets see what they can offer. Ireland will be a nice test. I reckon there could well be a good few interesting player selections s well.

  • Comment 101, posted at 04.04.16 08:53:39 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 102) : But what can a 31 yr old Sevens player teach JP Pietersen or Willie le Roux about backline play? Should we feel comfortable that a 31 year old sevens player will now be coaching against Stephen Larkham and Wayne Smith? Me thinks we not taking the game seriously anymore. Me thinks we taking the fucking Mickey…

  • Comment 102, posted at 04.04.16 11:01:18 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 102) : I think you perhaps judging his coaching knowledge based on his playing ability and thats perhaps a bit unfair. I know young coaches that werent the best players but their coaching and teaching knowledge far exceeds that of some of the older guys that were good players. There was an interesting article comparing the coaching in NFL compared to rugby union where they say that rugby union is so fixated on picking ex players as coaches where as NFL looks more at students of the game that have a lot of technical knowledge but werent necessarily great players themselves. Was quite interesting. And then lastly lets also not discuss but bear in mind that there will more than likely be a ‘composition requirement’ in terms of the coaching staff not just the players

  • Comment 103, posted at 04.04.16 11:49:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 104) : No, I hear you. Coaching and playing are completely different animals. Its the 31 years that gets to me. Wayne Smith has forgotten what this kid still has to learn, now he has to compete with him… break me a give!

  • Comment 104, posted at 04.04.16 12:56:34 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 90) : A guy who has just started his assistant coaching career at Super rugby level at the Kings vs. backline coaches like Ian Foster and Larkham? Eish – time to change my nick.

  • Comment 105, posted at 04.04.16 12:59:16 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 104) : Very tough to compare Stick to Wayne Smith as if you compare pretty much any international coach to Wayne Smith he comes out top by a long way. S if it is indeed Stick, well lets see what the chap can do.

  • Comment 106, posted at 04.04.16 13:02:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 106) : International rugby is not the place to learn your trade. By all means identify young coaches and then assist them to do the hard yards first, but don’t throw a guy into the deep end.

  • Comment 107, posted at 04.04.16 13:12:41 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 107) : Yeh look in a perfect world yes. But looking around the current SA coaching landscape i dont exactly see many very experienced coaches that fit the required profile. So have to work with what we have.

  • Comment 108, posted at 04.04.16 13:15:46 by SheldonK Reply

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  • My question is simply, would Stick have been appointed as back line or assistant coach to any other top tier 1 nation if he had applied for a post?
    Or Van Graan, or AC.

  • Comment 109, posted at 04.04.16 13:19:43 by nortie Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 108) : In my mind if this is true, we would be missing an opportunity to head hunt a decent Kiwi / Ozzie backline coach looking for a new challenge.

  • Comment 110, posted at 04.04.16 13:21:29 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @nortie (Comment 110) : great perspective and common sense question. Not even Scotland or Italy.

  • Comment 111, posted at 04.04.16 13:22:11 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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  • @nortie (Comment 109) : I am not too excited about Van Graan either. De Villiers coached the scrum, Grey the breakdown and probably Matfield the line-outs. I am yet to be convinced about Van Graan’s experience as a forward coach.

  • Comment 112, posted at 04.04.16 13:23:28 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @nortie (Comment 110) : ha!

  • Comment 113, posted at 04.04.16 13:24:06 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @nortie (Comment 109) : Toetie I can live with as head coach – it is not like people are breaking down the door to apply for the Bok coach.

  • Comment 114, posted at 04.04.16 13:24:25 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 108) :
    SARU’s choice not to look outside the SA coaching landscape.
    Can’t understand why they don’t look for the best if they expect the team to be the best.
    It’s too late now, we are stuck with what they will give us, and I guess we owe it to whoever is appointed to give him a couple of years, like we had to endure HM and give him a chance. Whoever they appoint probably can’t be worse than what we had the last 4 years

  • Comment 115, posted at 04.04.16 13:25:34 by nortie Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 109) : George Gregan :twisted:

  • Comment 116, posted at 04.04.16 13:26:05 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @nortie (Comment 109) : @Bokhoring (Comment 110) : @Bokhoring (Comment 112) : I think we need to be a bit realistic and realise that the coaching requirements to coach the Boks now are very different to any other nation. So trying to compare what is needed is very tricky. So yes in a perfect world it would be great to have an experienced Foreigner as head coach and possibly 1 as a skills coach with 2 ‘young’ Sa coaches as assistants. But i think we probably have more chance of the Sharks flashers being nude than that happening.

  • Comment 117, posted at 04.04.16 13:29:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 114) :
    We would never know, would we?
    They cloud the whole process in such secrecy, we are expected to believe that they turned down Vince Lombardi for AC.
    Their is zero accountability for SARU, they can and will do as they please.
    I would have loved it if they advertised the post locally and internationally, then publish the list of candidates who applied, or made the shortlist.
    Then tell us who the successful candidate was, selected from that shortlist.
    We must now believe AC is the best candidate, but we all know he was probably the only person they approached.

  • Comment 118, posted at 04.04.16 13:29:49 by nortie Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 116) : hmm…would he count? haha i dunno

  • Comment 119, posted at 04.04.16 13:33:14 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @nortie (Comment 115) : Come on you are a smart guy…you know why SARU doesnt look outside our shore and why there are certain requirements.

  • Comment 120, posted at 04.04.16 13:34:13 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 117) :
    You are 100% right.
    At all other nations the criteria is to win.
    With the current 4 year cycle I think winning tests are quite far down the checklist.
    I agree that most sane minded coaches who are capable of coaching the Boks wouldn’t want to come near the job with all the sideshows that would make his job close to impossible.
    Having said that, HM was given everything he wanted, including the keys to unlock the Blou Bul Old Age Home, and we still lost to Argentina and Japan…and Ireland, and Wales etc.

  • Comment 121, posted at 04.04.16 13:34:19 by nortie Reply

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  • @nortie (Comment 121) : Yeh look i agree that most foreigners would prob be a little bit insane to accept the Bok job if they had the chance. In Terms of HM…there were stages when the team played well but they just werent consistent. I think a lot of the guys probably struggled to buy into his thinking compared to when he was at the Bulls and they all did so were on the same page. Anyway im happy to give the new guys a chance and see how they go…there are a lot of exciting players in SA currently

  • Comment 122, posted at 04.04.16 13:37:39 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 122) :
    We have to at least give them a chance, there I fully agree with you.
    I feel sorry for AC, if it’s him, the guy has paid his dues in SA coaching landscape, now he reaches the pinicle of his career, and is hung out to dry before he has had time to fit his blazer.
    It doesn’t mean we must agree with the way SARU has orchestrated the whole appointment of the coach though, we can also question the credentials of all the members of the coaching squad, the same way we will be debating and arguing about the merits of the players selected for his first squad or team, and every team subsequent to that.

  • Comment 123, posted at 04.04.16 13:43:00 by nortie Reply

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  • Also a huge mistake to let Ritchie Gray go. He did actually add an edge to the Bok play.

  • Comment 124, posted at 04.04.16 13:45:25 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @nortie (Comment 123) : Yeh i agree that we can debate the guys credentials and what he is doing right and wrong etc. And also how SARU appointed the coach etc. I just think when we do we should keep in mind those other factors that possibly led to both the coaching appointments and player selections. So for example how would a coaching team of Alistair Coetzee, Johan Ackermann and Swys DeBruin compare with whoever is chosen. Comparing the guys chosen to Steve Hansen and Co can be done but probably is a bit unfair.

  • Comment 125, posted at 04.04.16 13:51:36 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 126) : well Ive personally always liked AC. He just looks like a mans man. Im not expecting him to make a spectacle of himself in the box like that retard always did. Ive just got a big fear that he might pick an underweight backline.

  • Comment 126, posted at 04.04.16 14:00:14 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 126) : Ive never had a problem with AC…always thought he is pretty calm and collected even when with the Boks and his WP sides were always well prepared. When it comes to selections every coach has his favourites so think the team selected could be quite interesting. Lots of new guys putting their hands up…but just how high those hands are remains to be seen.

  • Comment 127, posted at 04.04.16 14:18:43 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 126) :
    We can argue and say that Damian McKenzie is probably the biggest underweight back line player in SR, and who wouldn’t want him in their team?
    @SheldonK (Comment 127) :
    Most coaches stick to the players they know when it comes to their first squad, we see it almost every 4 years. Whether AC opts for a Stormer player when in doubt, remains to be seen.
    It’s not as if he has been given a fair time between his appointment and having to play his first test.
    Ireland may have had a torrid 6 Nations, but they will probably be better prepared as a team than whatever the Boks can push out onto the field.

  • Comment 128, posted at 04.04.16 14:27:44 by nortie Reply

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  • @nortie (Comment 129) : ah point taken! Damn what a player!!

  • Comment 129, posted at 04.04.16 14:39:56 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @nortie (Comment 128) : Damian McKenzie is good going forward, same as Cheslin Kolbe…but its when they are required to front up on defense in a tight game where their size is called into question. Still would be a good player to have on the bench. In terms of a coach’s bias i think all coaches have an idea of the type of player they like in certain positions so their bias tends to lean towards that type of player not always a specific player. Having been involved in SA rugby for a long time AC will have a pretty good idea of all the players. But i agree the side that plays Ireland could resemble a Baabaas phone in side

  • Comment 130, posted at 04.04.16 14:40:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 129) :
    Awesome player, and playing in a fantastic team. His goal kicking ritual gives me the creeps though.
    The Chiefs are on a different level at the moment, so much skill and confidence, it’s scary.
    Great to watch them play.

  • Comment 131, posted at 04.04.16 14:45:50 by nortie Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 131) : who do you think he will make captain? Do you reckon Marcell stands a chance?

  • Comment 132, posted at 04.04.16 14:52:07 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 132) : I think a lot depends on if he sticks with local or global players. I have a strong feeling it could be Adriaan Strauss. I also think Warren Whitely could be in with a shot. I think Marcel will make the squad but just have a feeling he could struggle to make the team.

  • Comment 133, posted at 04.04.16 14:55:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Akker,malcolm marx and marutule all putting up their hands for bok hooker.and then there is bissie in france.

  • Comment 134, posted at 04.04.16 15:00:39 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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    If Marcel doesn’t make the team it will be a travesty. He is in fantastic form, I reckon he will be enjoying himself this weekend if the Lion’s loose forwards again go MIA come breakdown time.
    Marcel is a must for the Boks.

  • Comment 135, posted at 04.04.16 15:01:15 by nortie Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 130) : @nortie (Comment 131) : mckenzie caught the eye in the 1st chiefs game of the season.on the nz rugby breakdown,former all black richard turner ,put him at no10 for his form team of the week.seems like he can play both 15 and 10.1.75m 80kg.his skill-set makes him invaluable.

  • Comment 136, posted at 04.04.16 15:04:32 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 136) : I wouldnt play McKenzie at 10, 15 possibly…but discarding Ben Smith for him would be a beeg call. Thats why i say play him off the bench.

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 137) :
    Nice problem to have if you are an All Black coach.

  • Comment 138, posted at 04.04.16 15:07:56 by nortie Reply

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  • @nortie (Comment 135) : Look if it was me picking id probably be very tempted to try a loose trio of Marcel Coetzee, Jack Kriel and Warren Whitely. However, the likes of Carr, Kolisi, Notshe will probably show up. Even possibly Mahoje and Burger…and then if global the likes of Vermuelen and Louw

  • Comment 139, posted at 04.04.16 15:08:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @nortie (Comment 138) : Look im sure the All Black coach is under pressure and all that BUT…he has players at the Crusaders, Chiefs, Highlanders, Blues and Hurricanes all playing a similar style and with the same conditioning requirements. So he may not pick everyones favourite players but he could still pick the 3rd favourite in each position and will still have an awesome side.

  • Comment 140, posted at 04.04.16 15:14:25 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 139) : no jeez, you can’t pick Burger. Any of the others, sure, but no Schalk.

  • Comment 141, posted at 04.04.16 15:16:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 137) : will be interesting to see how bosch goes.neither mckenzie or cruden are big players,so size should not be an issue re: where bosch plays.

  • Comment 142, posted at 04.04.16 15:18:07 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • Any news re: injuries?

  • Comment 143, posted at 04.04.16 15:23:23 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 139) :
    Both Whiteley and Kriel pulled a disappearing act against the Crusaders, great when going forward, but it’s not always just about running down the touch lines.
    If we can agree that the main criteria the Bok coach has isn’t necessarily about winning, then I would prefer he leave all overseas based players there where they are and start afresh with those playing here.
    The “best player” is in any case a subjective issue, so who’s to say the best guys are abroad?
    He needs to start working towards the 2019 team and all that entails, so he might as well start against Ireland already.
    I would play Marcel because the June Tests and RC still falls under his term at the Sharks, once he leaves to Ireland he can fall into the same category as the others who play overseas.

  • Comment 144, posted at 04.04.16 15:30:21 by nortie Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 142) :
    Who’s Bosch?

  • Comment 145, posted at 04.04.16 15:33:15 by nortie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 141) : Rob i personally wouldnt. Was just mentioning names i think could be there

  • Comment 146, posted at 04.04.16 15:36:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 142) : Curwin Bosch is much more slight of frame than Cruden and McKenzie and both those guys and Bosch are great going forward….but as for any form of defense…well eish

  • Comment 147, posted at 04.04.16 15:38:01 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @nortie (Comment 145) : curwin bosch.

  • Comment 148, posted at 04.04.16 15:38:53 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 147) :
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    Ah, ok, thanks

  • Comment 149, posted at 04.04.16 15:40:04 by nortie Reply

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  • @nortie (Comment 144) : I personally agree that the Boks should only pick local…or adopt the Oz approach of only overseas guys with 50+ caps. As for Whitely and Kriel im quite interested that you bring that up as i feel the Lions as a whole are great going forward but they tend to neglect the defensive aspect…and if they concentrated on that a bit more would still be as fresh and energetic etc on attack. Both Whitely and Kriel can defend dont get me wrong. Personally i would liek to see those 3 in tandem…i just have a feeling it wont be.

  • Comment 150, posted at 04.04.16 15:41:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 147) : have you missed the discussion of the past week?:D we need some attacking players,too :D if the results start depending on the fullback making 3 try-saving tackles a match,then something is wrong somewhere with the defence.same goes with no10.play a terrier like reinach at no9.get blindside wing to up defensive work on cross-cover.loosies too.

  • Comment 151, posted at 04.04.16 15:46:28 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 150) :
    Yes, Whiteley had great defensive stats last year, so we know they can tackle.
    What seriously irritates me is when SA teams, and in particular the Cheetahs, look like revolving doors when they face Kiwi or Oz opposition, but when they play another SA side they tackle like demons.
    I’m guessing Mnisi won’t be doing any swallow dives this weekend, he will probably be clattering into the Sharks players

  • Comment 152, posted at 04.04.16 15:48:38 by nortie Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 147) : but yes,i would like for bosch 1.80m 80kg to gain a few more kilo’s of muscle and step like nehe-skudder 1.80m 90kg (think those stats are correct?).

  • Comment 153, posted at 04.04.16 15:55:49 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 151) : Im not saying dont pick attacking players. But the guy has to be able to tackle or at least stop his man. If someone else has to cover for him then there are going to be gaps as you are effectively a man down on defense. All the best 10s and 15s in the world can still tackle

  • Comment 154, posted at 04.04.16 15:56:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @nortie (Comment 152) : Mnisi i another guy that loves going forward but treats defense like the plague sometimes…and yes same goes for the Cheetahs.
    It seems Sa sides either all out attack or all out defend…where is the combo??

  • Comment 155, posted at 04.04.16 15:58:10 by SheldonK Reply

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  • 9 faf 10 jantjes 12 de allende in a more attack-minded game plan for the boks?

  • Comment 156, posted at 04.04.16 15:58:35 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 153) : Bosch will naturally fill out with age…its his tackle technique im a bit concerned about as he looks like he is going to get injured making every tackle.

  • Comment 157, posted at 04.04.16 15:59:41 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 156) : At the moment the only thing DeAllende will be attacking is his Kuauii wrap and he is injured…

  • Comment 158, posted at 04.04.16 16:00:44 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 154) : quite sure most no10s can tackle,or at least stop their opposite no10s.problem is when it is a 110kg plus loosie,or wing/centre,hitting the no10s channel.this is where defensive systems come in,and work at the breakdown imo.

  • Comment 159, posted at 04.04.16 16:08:16 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 157) : then he needs coaching,if it is so.hopefully he has the whole cc season to work witk omar.

  • Comment 160, posted at 04.04.16 16:10:08 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @nortie (Comment 153) : yes. That irritates me no end. Especially when the orher SA side has something to lose then all of a sudden they wanna play! Its like a guy who gets klapped in a barfight then goes home and klaps his wife

  • Comment 161, posted at 04.04.16 16:12:32 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 158) : quite sure he is pencilled down to return sometime in april.still awhile before the tests.question is not if he is injured now,but how faf,jantjes,de allende can function for the boks?

  • Comment 162, posted at 04.04.16 16:12:54 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 159) : Part and parcel of playing 10 is having to deal with those guys coming through your channel…but if you can stop them then you give your own loosies a good chance to turn over the ball.

  • Comment 163, posted at 04.04.16 16:14:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 162) : Those guys could definitely work. Id like to see Francois Venter given a shot too…think he has been good for a while.

  • Comment 164, posted at 04.04.16 16:16:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 105) : We could always go back to Ricardo Loubscher….

    I would love to hear when last SA had a proper backline coach, or actually utilised proper backline coaching in our gamplan?

    After the pas 4 years of HM 9 man rugby (remember, we never used our Fh as Schalk took over that position).

    Add to all of that, the Mobi unit will be heavily utilised in the coaching of the Boks.

    They are used to all the players at all our franchises, and will therefore know how to work with whom.

  • Comment 165, posted at 04.04.16 16:17:45 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 164) : 9 faf 10 jantjes 12 de allende 13 venter?

  • Comment 166, posted at 04.04.16 16:19:41 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 165) : Um no thanks to Ricardo’s Lobster. Just thinking of it how many of our Sa coaches have had a solid pedigree before being appointed??

  • Comment 167, posted at 04.04.16 16:20:09 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 166) : That could work. And then your back 3?

  • Comment 168, posted at 04.04.16 16:22:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I also think the Mobi unit is where the big name coaching appointments should happen/is happening.

    Seems to be the specialist backbone of rugby in SA, benefitting from zero external meddling.

    With the current coaching landscape in SA looking very thin on experience (except for the Sharks), a Mobi unit, employing the top specialists in the country/world (hopefully this is not just a dream) will probably be the only thing keeping our rugby competitive.

  • Comment 169, posted at 04.04.16 16:37:02 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 161) :
    Ha ha, great analogy, but accurate and to the point

  • Comment 170, posted at 04.04.16 16:40:37 by nortie Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 169) :
    We keep on hearing about the mobi-unit.
    I recall it was announced with huge fanfare and the like, but it’s like we keep being told about Rassie and the unit, yet don’t really see it or the impact it’s having on our teams.
    Maybe I’m just missing it?

  • Comment 171, posted at 04.04.16 16:50:38 by nortie Reply

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  • @nortie (Comment 171) : I always see photos of Pieter de Villiers (the SA French prop, not helium) with the Sharks scrum machine, and Kings defense has been coached by Nienaber….not sure who else is part of the mobi-unit….they seem to be the MI5 of SA rugby…all very cloak and dagger. ;)

  • Comment 172, posted at 04.04.16 16:55:41 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 172) :
    I think Pieter “Helium” would have done a better job against the Argies a year or so ago
    I think they are still trying to retract Jannie’s head from his behind.
    Can’t say Pieter de Villiers has impressed me to be honest when it comes to the Boks.
    Nienaber is good, but then again your current defense coach also seems to be on the ball, Sharks defense has been very good and committed, showing …ehm, this is for Goldmember…real character

  • Comment 173, posted at 04.04.16 17:00:27 by nortie Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 168) : very unsure :D

  • Comment 174, posted at 04.04.16 17:10:57 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @nortie (Comment 173) : the 4nations game in dbn last year?

  • Comment 175, posted at 04.04.16 17:21:33 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 175) :
    That was a disaster in its own right.
    There was a RC game in Argentina in 2014 where they absolutely annihilated us in the scrums.

  • Comment 176, posted at 04.04.16 17:28:56 by nortie Reply

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  • @nortie (Comment 176) : the argies scrum is an offensive weapon :D

  • Comment 177, posted at 04.04.16 17:33:36 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 165) : When Jake pulled in Eddie Jones as a consultant just before our last world cup win.

  • Comment 178, posted at 04.04.16 17:35:54 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 177) :
    Used to be, they seem to be forsaking their strong points in order to become the All Blacks.2.0

  • Comment 179, posted at 04.04.16 17:38:17 by nortie Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 178) : …and that was a gamble in itself, as he was the head coach of the selfsame Reds that was humiliated at Loftus that same year.

    But I hear what you’re saying….Ozzie’s know how to coach backlines.

  • Comment 180, posted at 04.04.16 17:57:18 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @nortie (Comment 174) : thanks for that :lol:

  • Comment 181, posted at 04.04.16 18:08:21 by Voodoo Rookin Reply

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