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Gardner handed Sharks-Lions


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Lions, Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 6 Apr 2016 at 09:44
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The Sharks, I’m sure, will be rather relived to learn that a completely neutral referee, Australian Angus Gardner, will hold the whistle when they face the Lions at Kings Park this weekend.

With local referees making a bit of a pig’s ear of a number of calls this year, it’s always reassuring to have a non-aligned foreigner in the middle when a big local derby is played out. Both Glen Jackson and Mike Fraser have done well this season when asked to blow games against the Bulls and Stormers respectively, so it’s hoped Gardner will live up to the expectation. After all, we just want fairness and accuracy from the ref – the team will do the rest.

Another Australian, Nic Berry, will run one of the touch lines, with South African Rodney Bonaparte taking the other.

Marius Jonker is the TMO. We cannot confirm the rumour that he’s requested to sit as far away from the Sharks coaching box as possible…



106 Comments

  • Marius Jonker has made two controversial decisions already this season – Kolisi’s kick and Leyds’s no knock. I will be relieved if those decisions aren’t relived this weekend :)

    May the best Lions team win :grin:

  • Comment 1, posted at 06.04.16 09:52:44 by Baylion Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 1) : I’m going to pretend you didn’t say that last part :)

  • Comment 2, posted at 06.04.16 09:53:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : Tx :)

    BTW, I edited my first comment

  • Comment 3, posted at 06.04.16 09:58:16 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 3) : It’s like picking the lesser of a vast number of possible evils. I’m just happy we don’t have Greeff

  • Comment 4, posted at 06.04.16 09:59:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • I think thats a pretty decent reffing team. Bonaparte does miss a few forward passes but other than that cant complain at all….well not yet ;)

  • Comment 5, posted at 06.04.16 10:18:47 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 1) : Kolisis kick has been put to rest, right decission. Leyds’s was a real howler.

  • Comment 6, posted at 06.04.16 10:44:45 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 6) : I didn’t comment on the correctness only on the fact that they were controversial.

    BTW, I agree on the Kolisi decission

  • Comment 7, posted at 06.04.16 11:05:30 by Baylion Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : nice one Rob! Think Mr. Jonker will keep the booth locked!!!

  • Comment 8, posted at 06.04.16 12:24:31 by JD Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 1) : hahaha ja boet let’s wait and see! Good luck for the game.

  • Comment 9, posted at 06.04.16 12:25:58 by JD Reply
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  • It will be an interesting game. All attack and no defense Lions vs all defense and no attack Sharks. What will break first, the unstoppable force or the immovable object?

  • Comment 10, posted at 06.04.16 13:43:36 by Mutley Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 10) : its a draw…… haha

  • Comment 11, posted at 06.04.16 13:46:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Mutley (Comment 10) : @SheldonK (Comment 11) : that’s the one reason why I’m looking forward to the game!

  • Comment 12, posted at 06.04.16 14:24:07 by JD Reply
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  • @Mutley (Comment 10) : well, don’t expect anything different from the Sharks. Nothing creative, no phase play, no off loads, no passing. Expect bloody minded defence, expect kicking, expect the Lions to play with all the ball, expect the Sharks ready and waiting to pounce on any errors. Stephan Lewies just confirmed all of this….

    And, according to lock Stephan Lewies, more of the same can be expected on Friday.

    “They (Lions) look to play rugby from all over the park. We’re also looking to play rugby, but we want to play from the right parts of the field,” Lewies said from Durban this week.

    “We don’t want to play from everywhere. We want to get into their half and apply pressure with our defence as shown.

    “A lot of people think it’s a fluke, but we train to defend to score points. It’s definitely two different teams playing against each other.

    “We’re not going to change for one team… we’re a process-driven team and we will stick to our processes that we’ve been working on throughout the season.”

    So lets analyse these somments:

    “We don’t want to play from everywhere.”

    Makes perfect sense to me. The Lions looked to run from everywhere against the Crusaders and it was clear they needed to consider a more territorial approach and bring more balance to their naive game.

    “We want to get into their half and apply pressure with our defence as shown.”

    Huh? :shock: I’m all for getting into their half. But when we are there we want to defend instead of creating our own attacking play? :shock: Surely the point of the game is to defend in your own half and attack in the opposition’s half? Here’s an idea: why not have both strings to our bow? Why not squeeze the opposition with our defence when they happen to have the ball anywhere on the field and when we’re in their half, in the right areas, look to do our own attacking?

    Why the blinking fear of playing with the ball? :evil: :roll:

    “We’re not going to change for one team… we’re a process-driven team and we will stick to our processes that we’ve been working on throughout the season.”

    This confirms that the definite trend of defensive conservatism has taken hold at the Sharks. We’ve regressed to Sharks 2015 Gary Gold brand rugby. Only one plan. Processes = prescriptive, inflexible approach that we’ll stick with come hell or high water.

    Very disappointing insight from a player here.

  • Comment 13, posted at 06.04.16 15:36:58 by Gold's Member Reply

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  • @Gold’s Member (Comment 13) : really hope it’s not as bad as you think and they they will try to run even if it’s only in the Lions half!

  • Comment 14, posted at 06.04.16 16:02:05 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 14) : In all of Super Rugby the Sharks have played the Lions 12 times at home and won 11 of them. And here we are too shit scared to do anything but tackle them all match long? It truly boggles the mind this culture of attacking fear that his gripped this Sharks team.

    Yes, you read that correctly. We have beaten the Lions 11 out of 12 times at home in Super Rugby…

  • Comment 15, posted at 06.04.16 16:06:04 by Gold's Member Reply

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  • We’ve scored 50 tries in 12 home games against the Lions, an average of just over 4 per match and you’re telling me we’re happy to wait for intercepts and lucky breaks because “that’s our process and we’re sticking to them”?

  • Comment 16, posted at 06.04.16 16:11:51 by Gold's Member Reply

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  • @Gold’s Member (Comment 16) : I dont remember the Sharks game plan changing that much over the last few season so a lot of those tries and wins have come playing this same game plan. I would read too much about a game plan from what a lock says to be honest…and thats coming from a lock

  • Comment 17, posted at 06.04.16 16:14:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 17) : The point is, since when have the Sharks been so kak scared that this is their present and seemingly only gameplan? Good teams teams do not have a “gameplan”. They adapt. They do the finding out, they don’t let themselves be found out by smarter teams.

    I’m basing it on what my own eyes have told me from the trend in the Jaguars > Stormers > Bulls > Crusaders games. We average 1.5 tries per game, if you don’t believe me.

  • Comment 18, posted at 06.04.16 16:25:05 by Gold's Member Reply

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  • And against a team with a revolving door defence, who had 6 pasted past them by the Crusaders at home, who we have an overwhelmingly positive record against at home, our brains trust reckon the best way to beat them is to defend the life out of them? Something stinks about our conservatism. This tournament has shown time and time again that defence minded teams do not win it. Fortune favours the brave. And our current coach knows it because he has harped on about a new approach both this year and last year and its proven to be nothing but lip service.

    Lets see how we play on Saturday.

  • Comment 19, posted at 06.04.16 16:38:43 by Gold's Member Reply

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  • @Gold’s Member (Comment 16) : @SheldonK (Comment 17) : I’m still hoping for a balanced approach with the Sharks kicking in their 22/half and running in the Lions half.

  • Comment 20, posted at 06.04.16 16:41:41 by JD Reply
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  • @Gold’s Member (Comment 13) : Very simple plan then – kick every ball back to the Lions, defend like demons and hope they drop one or two passes that Lwazi can collect / intercept and score from.

  • Comment 21, posted at 06.04.16 16:42:28 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 21) : the key word you use is “hope”.

    It takes the pressure off the Sharks actually being responsible for creating anything on their own or even something as simple as holding the ball for more than one or two phases… it’s the brainless, gutless coward’s way.

  • Comment 22, posted at 06.04.16 16:53:36 by Gold's Member Reply

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  • @Gold’s Member (Comment 22) : And this from Jordaan in another interview:

    With the defensive ghosts from last season seemingly put to rest, Jordaan said the move to an expansive brand of rugby by the Sharks would be gradual.

    “You can’t build a house without a foundation and defence is one of those important pillars that we’ve improved on each week,” he said.

    “We’ll definitely try to improve our attack because we didn’t play in the right areas against the Crusaders. Our attack will get better each week once we start playing in the right areas,” Jordaan said.

    “I wouldn’t say the Lions are a team we can express ourselves against because we’re a process-driven team. We’ll focus on what we want to do and how well we should do it.

    So after “character” “process-driven” must be the next Gold-speak term that must get up your nose :roll:

  • Comment 23, posted at 06.04.16 16:56:04 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 23) :

    What I do not understand is this. Our defence is already shit hot. We’ve let in only 8 tries in 5 games.

    There is a large emphasis following the Crusaders defeat on playing in the “right areas”. This makes sense. I get it.

    But we have to back ourselves against a team who’ve let in 18 tries. If not the Lions, who is a team “we can express ourselves against”?

    What does it mean when he says “I wouldn’t say the Lions are a team we can express ourselves against because we’re a process-driven team”?

    Is the “process” kicking the ball to the opposition and defending, because that’s what it seems to be?

  • Comment 24, posted at 06.04.16 17:07:26 by Gold's Member Reply

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  • @Gold’s Member (Comment 24) : do you not think you’re reading too much into pre-match comments from players?

  • Comment 25, posted at 06.04.16 17:13:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 25) : Possibly. But we have to consider what is more likely. When more than one player echoes the same sentiments and buzzwords it’s likelier than not to have emanated from the coach’s blackboard. And when those comments echo the definite trend on the playing field it’s likelier than not to be gospel.

    What is your view on this “process-driven” approach? What is it?

  • Comment 26, posted at 06.04.16 17:17:26 by Gold's Member Reply

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  • @Gold’s Member (Comment 26) : It;s fairly obvious what it is if you will just get off your high horse for five minutes and actually THINK.

    Do you honestly think the Sharks go from last year (where they couldn’t buy a win against the blind school) to playing this seamless attacking game in the space of 4 months? Or do you accept that there’s, yes, a PROCESS that needs to be followed in order to rebuild the team and that the process has to start with the words that you love to ridicule (without understanding them), DEFENCE and CHARACTER?

    I’m sorry, but I’m actually starting to scroll past the stuff you post because it’s just the same old rubbish every day. I learn nothing new from it, I don’t think it’s insightful or even particularly witty. I just think it’s rather sad.

  • Comment 27, posted at 06.04.16 17:22:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Gold’s Member (Comment 26) : @robdylan (Comment 27) : it will take time to change and will not happen overnight!!!

  • Comment 28, posted at 06.04.16 17:28:30 by JD Reply
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  • being negative is easy. Being sarcastic and clever and putting people down in a funny way might make you feel like you’re a big man – hell, Gareth Cliff turned it into a career – but ask yourself whether the denigrating and insulting actually does anything to improve either yourself or the person who’s the subject of your attack.

    Really? If you okes think that Gary Gold is going to come on here and suddenly learn something new from reading all this shit, then you’re deluded. If you think that he’s suddenly going to throw away all the work he’s done in rebuilding this shattered team because some anonymous guy on a forum with a funny profile picture calls him insulting names, then I really wonder about your level of sanity and intelligence.

    It’s ok to just let it go and stop being a doos. You might actually find you feel better about yourself once you do.

  • Comment 29, posted at 06.04.16 17:34:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • I’m getting tired of having these same pointless argument. And I’m also getting tired of feeling like I need to avoid the comments section on my own site. Sharksworld was once renowned for the quality of the commentary, but I feel like we are starting to lose that aspect.

  • Comment 30, posted at 06.04.16 17:39:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 27) : it is your choice to toddle past my posts. Nobody is forcing you to read them.

    We have the defence. We have the ‘character’.

    We have let in the 2nd lowest number of tries to date and we’re reminded weekly about the ‘character’. Last season all we had was ‘character’.

    If we already accept that defence and character are in the bag, when do we see the next stage of this magical process being trialled?

    If we cannot attempt this next stage of the process against the Lions, who we’ve only ever lost to once at home in 20 years of Super Rugby, is there a team out there we can deploy it against this year?

    Isn’t this a worthwhile question?

    Do you think it’s appropriate and acceptable to play the same game we saw against the Crusaders against the Lions?

    Again, why is this not a worthwhile question?

    I’m not suggesting we play like a 7′s team and throw the ball about in gay abandon. Far from it. But can we at east try to hold on to the ball ad see some commitment to something?

    Your problem Rob is that you’re too invested in this site and in not pissing off the Sharks like you did last year that you’re bending over backwards to appease the union and players, and it started with that “lets all just accept we’re not going to do well this year and be happy with it” piece you wrote.

    Still, I don’t feel the need to scroll past anybody’s comments, including your own, because there’s value to be drawn from everyone’s comments one in a while, if you look. There’s no point being narrow minded and dismissing other people’s views out of hand.

  • Comment 31, posted at 06.04.16 17:43:52 by Gold's Member Reply

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  • @Gold’s Member (Comment 31) : what do you mean we had character last year? Did you not watch?

  • Comment 32, posted at 06.04.16 17:49:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan
    If we look at the great teams of years gone by, the 90′s french, the all blacks the last 10 the wallabies of the late 90′s. All of these teams defended like madmen and turned the pressure into seemingly easy points. Watching a rerun of the saders game, that is exactly what we managed to get right. Luck of the bounce let us down not to have won. Rob I support your enthusiasm for this team. If you had told me in January that at this point we would be top of a conference coming into our tour, I would have recommended a extended stay in an asylum. Let’s get behind Gold and the boys. These guys have champion potential written all over them

  • Comment 33, posted at 06.04.16 17:49:51 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : calling a spade a spade today! Must say there’s some people on here that sound like a stuck record repeating the same comments over and over. Fact is Sharks are still far from being the complete team and we need to except it will take time even if we don’t like it!!!

  • Comment 34, posted at 06.04.16 17:50:28 by JD Reply
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  • @Gold’s Member (Comment 31) : no. This “process” started 4 months ago and I, for one, am realistic that it’s going to take at least a season before the attacking game starts to come right. You can call me an apologist if you like, but that’s just realism. And I don’t see the point in getting worked up about something I can’t change, so I’m rather going to actually support the team through this process because doing anything else is counter-productive.

    And yes, of course I’m invested in this site…. I OWN it. I BUILT it from the ground long before the likes of you pitched up with your wittiness. So don’t think you can tell me what to do and what not to do because I have removed other people from it without blinking an eye and am not scared to do the same to you.

  • Comment 35, posted at 06.04.16 17:52:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @jdolivier (Comment 33) : have to agree with you.the sharks are exceeding my expectations.and that with 4 players still out injured that would be in match 23.

  • Comment 36, posted at 06.04.16 17:54:05 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 34) : I’m just letting my emotions get the better of me. We had some very sad news on Saturday and it’s been a rough week.

    Let me rather go do something meaningful with my time because Goldfinger is going to drag me down to his level and ebat me with experience here.

  • Comment 37, posted at 06.04.16 17:54:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • To me it is all about next year. Depending on the squad we have, it will be one of the best chances in years to actually win a super trophy.

    I also believe the team has the defensive side sorted. The set piece is not consistent from game to game, and also needs some work. The real challenge now is too start improving the attack without going down the traditional Cheetahs / Lions route and forgetting all about defense. It makes sense to do this in baby steps, but the Sharks need to start taking them.

  • Comment 38, posted at 06.04.16 17:57:36 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Well I just hope we keep the so relief such that we don’t have to worry about a tmo decision here or there not going right. We should always try to be the masters of our own fate. Let’s hope that first half mess is sorted out and that our attack can deliver. Lions are good on attack but not that great on defense sharks are the reverse let’s hope sharks sorted attack so we can have an edge.

  • Comment 39, posted at 06.04.16 18:01:17 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 35) : well you can piss off then. You can censure all you like and run a club of yes boy sycophants who do nothing but agree. Just remember though, your intolerance of different view points says more about you.

    I’m logging off for good. A site with censorship and curtailment of free thinking opinions is not a site for me. Adios.

  • Comment 40, posted at 06.04.16 18:02:54 by Gold's Member Reply

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  • I don’t want to open a can. But my previous comments can back me up. The Gold consortium have been making many good and right moves this year. Buying the right players le roux and Petersen as opposed to buying guys like murray and fat boy getting the hooker situation to a workable state after bissie left. Getting some great returns from oosthuizen and JP who last year this time sucked out loud. Fixing lock crisis. Having a rotation plan for the most part. The list goes on and on.

  • Comment 41, posted at 06.04.16 18:07:18 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Gold’s Member (Comment 40) : As far as I can see you weren’t censored the man just dis greed passionately with you. This is debate , no?

  • Comment 42, posted at 06.04.16 18:09:03 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Gold’s Member (Comment 16) : And I guess you think those Lions we played against with Earl Rose and Co, are equally as good as the current side with Kriel, Whiteley etc? Pfft

  • Comment 43, posted at 06.04.16 18:59:44 by the ko Reply

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  • @Gold’s Member (Comment 40) : Dude, you said the good teams don’t have game plans!?!? Haha. Schmuck

  • Comment 44, posted at 06.04.16 19:26:55 by the ko Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 38) :
    The danger the Sharks will face next year is the same danger the Stormers or Bulls, whichever of the two makes it through, will face this year.
    It’s nice to have an “easy” draw, playing only the Aussie sides and accumulating enough log points to progress in your pool, but then to all of a sudden face a Kiwi side cold, as it were, is going to be a rude awakening.
    And bear in mind, when you are in the same pool as the Kiwis, you at least get to face all 5 their sides, and realistically might pick up one, or maybe two wins. But if you face them for the first time in the play offs, you are guaranteed to face either their team that topped their pool or came second.

  • Comment 45, posted at 06.04.16 19:39:08 by nortie Reply

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  • Look, at some point you need to remember that nobody enjoys a repetitive sourpuss.

    I saw nothing positive in the Sharks last year so I stopped watching them and barely logged on here. I suggest some okes do the same now.

  • Comment 46, posted at 06.04.16 20:00:05 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 46) : Precisely, I have rarely posted, especially the past two weeks, mostly due to the repetitive negativity of a few.

    I will say this, I have known Rob since before he started Sharksworld, and one thing I know beyond a doubt is Rob has zero problem with those that disagree with him, it is all in how one expresses it. Vigorous but respectful debate is always encouraged, and in fact I would say Rob relishes in this, but repetitive negativity, beyond reason and ad nauseum is just not on.

    Just my opinion….. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 47, posted at 06.04.16 20:14:56 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 47) :
    Having known Rob a mighty long time now as well, I must agree. He’s always up for a vigorous debate.

  • Comment 48, posted at 06.04.16 20:19:04 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @nortie (Comment 45) : I get your point, it just reminds me of the old saying….to be the best, you have to beat the best. It really doesn’t matter when you face them, if any of the Stormers, Bulls, Lions, or Sharks want to win this competition, they are going to have to beat the Kiwis, and more than just 2 wins in 5. If none of these teams can handle that this year, OK, but we (SA) better figure out how to beat the Kiwis consistently if we want to ever win this competition.

    Just my opinion. ;-)

  • Comment 49, posted at 06.04.16 20:23:44 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 48) : That point is not debatable :mrgreen:

  • Comment 50, posted at 06.04.16 20:26:32 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 48) : I would be interested in your opinion on this, I saw an article on Gold’s sanction, and in one of the comments, an old timey rugby player mentioned he thought the problem started when players started playing to the ref rather than to the laws. If a ref was lenient in an area of the law, players started to transgress. Previously there was a moral imperative, so to speak, for the players to always play within the law, and any transgression was an error. When players started to play to the ref, the ref become the focus in the game and that has lead to much animosity between players/coaches and match officials. An interesting point I thought.

  • Comment 51, posted at 06.04.16 20:31:11 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 51) : I suppose if both the players and ref are trying to keep play within the laws, they are on the same side, while if the players are trying to pick the refs apart, and get away with anything they can, the players and refs immediately become opponents. I realise it was not perfect in the past, but perhaps there was a generally different attitude among players.

  • Comment 52, posted at 06.04.16 20:34:39 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 37) : Rob, don’t take any shit from no one, Like I said before to you, this is an amazing site, and when one visits the site you can clearly see the dedication and time you put in, this is great for us as supporters of the Sharks, and members of the [email protected]Dancing Bear (Comment 47) : I agree completely with you, in the last 14-18 days I have also rarely posted or actually read all the comments completely, as it is the same anyoing complaining and bitching from the same old record, and as Rob also I have just skipped the comments that was posted by the individual, as it seems that is the only thing he can talk about

  • Comment 53, posted at 06.04.16 20:36:53 by Henkb Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 49) :
    Agree 110%.
    I just don’t think having the easier draw every second year will necessarily be as beneficial as many want to believe.
    Both scenarios have their pitfalls, the one where you must face the Kiwi sides in pool play can mean you miss out come play offs, the flip side is who wants to run into a Chief side after having played less intense games all year?
    From what I’ve seen so far, I am not convinced any of those 4 teams you mentioned will realistically stand a chance to win the comp this year, and I’m not trying to be negative when I say that, just honest.
    The Kiwi sides seem to have lifted their game even further after the WC, the Aussie sides seem to be the ones looking like they are still suffering from a post WC hangover (too much champagne after coming second?)
    Our teams are pretty much on par where we’ve been the last few years, minus some players that left the shores. Derbies are mostly dour affairs, teams that capitulate against overseas opposition find another 4 gears when they face a fellow Saffa team.
    I’m looking forward to the game at the Sharktank this weekend though, nice game to look forward to as a neutral.

  • Comment 54, posted at 06.04.16 20:38:04 by nortie Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 46) : the fact is that it is a process and as you rightly stated, last year the Sharks were awful and at one stage I could also not bear it anymore and did not cancel any plans to watch their games, this year although we are not yet the complete package I feel that we are on the right track and somewhere in the season things will click, and once the click is there this team will be handful to any opponent that they come across

  • Comment 55, posted at 06.04.16 20:40:47 by Henkb Reply
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  • @nortie (Comment 54) : I would say beside honest your opinion is most realistic, certainly not negative. My feeling is as soon as one of these SA teams stops talking about how difficult this competition is or how good the Kiwis are, then they might have a chance. No chance if they start out believing it is impossible to win or beat the Kiwis.

  • Comment 56, posted at 06.04.16 20:46:35 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Henkb (Comment 55) : The beautiful thing is this team is already a handful to anyone they have faced, I agree, but I think when that click is there, it will be very difficult to beat the Sharks.

  • Comment 57, posted at 06.04.16 20:48:21 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @nortie (Comment 45) : If the Sharks proceed to the quarters this year, they are likely to play a Kiwi team twice in any case. If you top your pool, you have a home QF. If you end up top of the overall log, you have a home QF against the weakest wild card team, plus should you progress home semi and home final. Top of the log is much easier if you only play the Aussies and other SA teams.

    In the past lack of 4-try bonus points (and other teams accumulating bonus points) have stuffed the Sharks as far as final log position. With the new 3 try bonus point system, it is actually very difficult to accumulate bonus points.So the new system actually suits the Sharks.

  • Comment 58, posted at 06.04.16 20:51:35 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 37) : for sure it would be a tough time for you and your family! Pray that you and your loved ones have peace and rest during this time!

  • Comment 59, posted at 06.04.16 20:53:04 by JD Reply
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  • I feel I have to interject here. :)

    There seem to be this idea that the Lions play an all-attack, no defence game, which just isn’t the case. The Lions defence in fact is quite good and in line with some other attacking teams like the Chiefs and the Hurricanes.

    Where the Lions do have a problem though is to switch from attack to defence at an instant against counter-attacking teams. The Highlanders’ 3-try blitz were all on the counter-attack, the same with the Crusaders’ first three tries at least.

    The Lions need to have a fallback defence in the event of a turnover when they are on attack and hopefully Ackers & Co worked on that this week.

  • Comment 60, posted at 06.04.16 20:53:53 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 52) : that is the problem currently you have to play the ref as they all police the laws in their own way and you must adapt to them or risk getting penalized.

  • Comment 61, posted at 06.04.16 21:03:08 by JD Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 58) :
    Ok, thanks, I stand corrected.
    So it bodes well for the Stormers :lol:

  • Comment 62, posted at 06.04.16 21:04:05 by nortie Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 57) : the most positive thing for me so far is that we have already scored 12 tries in 5 game, take it that we ran in 6 against the kings, which is already more than what we scored last year after 5 games, our defense was woeful as we scored 37 tries through out the season, but leaked 43

  • Comment 63, posted at 06.04.16 21:05:18 by Henkb Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 60) : if that is the case then they might struggle against the Sharks as they have been deadly on the counter-attack. Think it’s going to be an interesting game!

  • Comment 64, posted at 06.04.16 21:10:00 by JD Reply
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  • @nortie (Comment 62) : I expect the Stormers to do well (at least a home semi) this year, although it is unlikely they will top the log – so no home final :grin:

  • Comment 65, posted at 06.04.16 21:11:18 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 51) :
    That is an interesting perspective!

    I’m no expert in this field, but I would imagine this is unavoidable given the globalization and professionalisation of the game. With all the research and training on laws that players are exposed to now, they are much more capable of adapting to a ref than ever before. The problem that any single player or team that takes a moral stand on this is bound to lose because all the other players and teams are going to run riot.

    As it is, it’s clear that our Antipodean cousins already adapt to refs generally better than we do. Probably a consequence of the typical Calvinist upbringing of the average SA player. I sympathize with Gold, but the reality is that we need to accept the current reality. I thought we did that well in the scrums in that game. Now I would be interested to get an old hooker’s view on that in turn…

  • Comment 66, posted at 06.04.16 21:11:38 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 48) : @Dancing Bear (Comment 50) : @Gold’s Member (Comment 40) : think we must calm down and give Rob some space as he’s going through a very tough time and needs our support and understand!!!

  • Comment 67, posted at 06.04.16 21:12:56 by JD Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 60) : In my opinion the Lions are a great team, and what Ackerman has done with them is amazing, I just think that they are in need of a defense guru, like we received at the Sharks, just someone to work on them on the finer points of there game, as they are not far of from the complete package

    The thing that also bodes well for them is that they have been playing as a unit with 99% of the team still in tact, and if I may be bold in saying that you guys won’t loose a lot with the departure of Boshoff, he is great but Jaco V/d Walt is also in the same class and only needs time to develop

  • Comment 68, posted at 06.04.16 21:13:36 by Henkb Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 66) : Rugby has such a complex set of rules, that about each ref will interpret the same situation differently. It only makes sense to play to the ref’s interpretation.

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 69) : for sure. If your interpretation are different from that of the ref you will get penalised so you have to adapt!

  • Comment 70, posted at 06.04.16 21:21:51 by JD Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 66) : I started playing rugby in 1970, I certainly remember by the 1980s I was definitely playing to the ref with regard to what I could get away with scrummaging, scrums, rucks and mauls have always been referred to as the dark arts, since I think the rule has always been get away with whatever you can in those game situations. I am not sure there was ever a day where forwards did not play this way, and sometimes we had to police ourselves.

    As for the scrums last week, I thought that Peyper was letting the Crusaders front row get away with setting up too far back, they would end up scrumming so low, sometimes a props knee would go to ground, but if you look at the sharks props, they were hinging (shoulders below hips). When the sharks front row stepped back and scrummed low in response, they were solid….mostly, but it is really hard for the hooker to strike, which meant the ball was in there for a long time, making it harder to stay up. I think they adapted well generally, but I would have liked to have seen Beast talking to the ref and asking him to have the Crusaders set up closer, unfortunately he just looked bewildered with the call…..he should have spoken to the ref.

  • Comment 71, posted at 06.04.16 21:51:09 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Gold’s Member (Comment 40) : Oh…my…word… :shock:

  • Comment 72, posted at 06.04.16 22:06:37 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 47) : Exactly that…

  • Comment 73, posted at 06.04.16 22:09:59 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 72) : Seems he had his own little prima donna meltdown….sure has been an action packed week around here.

  • Comment 74, posted at 06.04.16 22:30:57 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • it’s been a while since we had a good old-fashioned FJELN moment here.

  • Comment 75, posted at 06.04.16 22:46:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 71) :

    My opinion is that the hinging law is causing more problems than it solves. You can make your opponent hinge if you pack lower than him and all this low packing makes the scrum unstable.

    If they turn it around where the opponent of the hinging prop is penalized, for being too low, the scrums will be more upright and perhaps result in less resets.

    Just my opinion from watching. I certainly am a know-nothing on front row matters.

  • Comment 76, posted at 07.04.16 03:57:57 by fyndraai Reply
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  • I think reddit has this feature where the mods can set it such that a person is the only one to see his own posts.

    It’s pretty cool. The garrulous gets to be so without spamming up the site.

  • Comment 77, posted at 07.04.16 04:07:37 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 65) :
    Yep, the way I see it too

  • Comment 78, posted at 07.04.16 05:26:32 by nortie Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 74) : Yup…well, things are about to get a touch more civil around here, I suppose…

  • Comment 79, posted at 07.04.16 06:31:29 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 75) : :grin: Well, this one certainly qualified as one of those. It is almost the most hilarious thing I have seen this year… :lol:

  • Comment 80, posted at 07.04.16 06:41:34 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 76) : You may be onto something there…good point…

  • Comment 81, posted at 07.04.16 06:42:43 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 75) : and totally worth it! Swap GM comments for Dancing Bears’? Thats like the musical equivalent of turning off the annoying frog song and playing Bachs Piano Concerto No.1.

    I too have been struggling to post as so many of the positive or insightful posts get drowned out by a flood of repetitive baseless negativity. You end up thinking what is even the point.

  • Comment 82, posted at 07.04.16 07:47:28 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 71) :
    Now that makes a lot of sense! I also thought they tended to scrum in as well.

    On Beast, I think he is a superb scrummager, and so whenever I see him penalised I am suspicious. You are right that given his ability and renowned in that area he should probably be much more vocal.

  • Comment 83, posted at 07.04.16 08:10:36 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Just my thoughts on things. Firstly I have to agree with Rob in that sometimes people find it very easy to criticise everything a coach does but is very reluctant to recognise anything positive. And for me that relates to a personal dislike. Anyway in terms of the Sharks, last year the defense in particular was woeful to be kind. Discipline was not good. Handling and attacking play also needed work. So Gold and Smitty recruited a specialist defensive coach and and a Natal old boy attacking coach. The preseason showed some good glimpses on attack but if we watch again we will see that only took place in the opposition half. The defense has been good this year so far although i do still feel our linespeed can be quicker and maintained throughout. Playing rugby in the right areas of the field, having a solid defense and attacking in the opposition half makes for a good strategy in my book. So heres to hoping the Sharks get better at that. For those wanting to watch running rugby from everywhere and tries galore both for and against i suggest rather watching the varsity cup or 7s games…

  • Comment 84, posted at 07.04.16 08:55:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • The war of the Golds.

  • Comment 85, posted at 07.04.16 09:04:51 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • There once was a “War of the Golden Stool”

  • Comment 86, posted at 07.04.16 09:22:05 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 86) : I am very relieved to have found out it was over the possession of a chair.

  • Comment 87, posted at 07.04.16 09:27:59 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 87) : Yep, luckily. :lol:

  • Comment 88, posted at 07.04.16 09:31:10 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 84) : I know it cant be done, but last years campaign should just be deleted, it was a season from hell and it was mostly self inflicted. Big lessons were clearly learned from that and this season (with a draw from hell) is already showing a huge turnaround and a great attitude.

  • Comment 89, posted at 07.04.16 09:35:53 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 75) : I miss the good banter on here a couple of years ago. The likes of klempie (who you must have threatened to ban more than anybody else), Ice, Charlie, Salmo, Big Fish, Wes, Claytie, KSA, McLovin, DB, Morné, Vinnie, Culling and a couple of others. We gave each other a lot of shit but nobody took it seriously. Seems to me everybody is just to bloody serious and need to chill a bit more. I also made a lot of good friends in SW which I would not have met otherwise.

  • Comment 90, posted at 07.04.16 10:08:00 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 89) : IMO I think last years campaign was actually necessary collapse and potentially the best thing that could have happened to the Sharks barring winning the SR.
    When things are working sort of OK, it’s exceptionally difficult to rebuild in any type of organisation. People are stuck in comforts zones, knowing that a rebuild should take place but not wanting to break the things that are working, the sheer weight of expectation from the fans, and the knowledge that proper rebuilding is a long term plan with a total of zero shortcuts.

  • Comment 91, posted at 07.04.16 10:17:46 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 89) : 100% agree. Although with the use of memory erasing technology otherwise known as alcohol 2015 can quickly become a blur ;)

  • Comment 92, posted at 07.04.16 10:20:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • 2015 could easily be seen as the Sharks version of “Lions-2013″ – imagine 2015 having the same effect on the Sharks as 2013 had on the Lions….I’m sure we’d all willingly sacrifice 2015, if it was a means to an Trophy-end? :grin:

  • Comment 93, posted at 07.04.16 10:36:00 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 90) : in the words of the Joker: “why so serious?” We must learn to chill as we have one thing in common that’s more important than our different opinions and that is a deep love for the Sharks!!!

  • Comment 94, posted at 07.04.16 12:14:04 by JD Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 89) : @gregkaos (Comment 91) : @SheldonK (Comment 92) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 93) : think a lot of the changes we are seeing this year is a direct result of 2015! Think JS and co realised changes had to be made if they wanted the Sharks to be a champion side and some changes were made now we must just be a bit patient for the changes to start to work!

  • Comment 95, posted at 07.04.16 12:18:34 by JD Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 87) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 88) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 96, posted at 07.04.16 12:23:29 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 95) : 100%. But credit needs to be given for identifying those weak areas and then steps taken to try improve things. Nothing is instant but the right steps were definitely taken. I still think the coaches are perhaps playing things a bit safe, especially with Pieterson at 10, but thats understandable bearing in mind 2015 and the pressure to get wins. The more you win, the more supporters then allow you to lose…something to think about

  • Comment 97, posted at 07.04.16 12:39:00 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 97) : for sure. I do think Sharks are heading in the right direction we must just be a bit patient as I believe the results will come!

  • Comment 98, posted at 07.04.16 12:41:45 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 95) : Indeed. Looking at the Lions who hit rock bottom in 2012. They’d had not been firing for some time before they got relegated but there was something fundamentally wrong with their structures. At the point of relegation I’m sure it was a case of Right… lets throw everything out the windows and rebuild. They are still in that process on rebuilding but I’m sure no one disagrees that they are now in an infinitly better place than they were prior to relegation in 2013.

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    2010 – last <- where they should have started rebuilding IMO
    2011 – 2nd to last
    2012 – last
    2013 – dnp – rebuild started
    2014 – 12th
    2015 – 8th

  • Comment 99, posted at 07.04.16 13:06:46 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 99) : Eish, 2010 – 2013…..the Snoil years.

  • Comment 100, posted at 07.04.16 13:16:48 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 99) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 100) : not great reading if you’re a Lions supporter!

  • Comment 101, posted at 07.04.16 13:22:24 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 101) : I guess so, although they are playing a good brand of rugby. No team goes into a game with them thinking it will be a push over now.
    My main point was very few really feared them the year after rebuilding. It’s taken them 3 years to get to where they are now.

  • Comment 102, posted at 07.04.16 13:41:54 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 102) : Luckily they have come out of it just fine. On that point though, was anyone else surprised with the crowd turnout last Friday night. I was expecting a big and was a bit disappointed with the turnout

  • Comment 103, posted at 07.04.16 13:47:54 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 101) : Ja and they seemed to have every man and their dog trying to undermine them and keep them out of rejoing SupeRugby at the time. So well done to them.

  • Comment 104, posted at 07.04.16 13:50:53 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 102) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 104) : ja it will take time to get back to the top and the work the players and coaches did they really deserve it! That said I really hope the Sharks can nail them to get max points before the tour!

  • Comment 105, posted at 07.04.16 14:26:40 by JD Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 76) : I agree with what you are saying, however, if both scrums setup correctly, the correct distance apart, then it is very easy AND dangerous to drop the scrum by hinging. Therefore, I feel it is really important that hinging is not allowed. That being said, it is then up to the referee to ensure the scrums line up the correct distance apart. The ref can not allow one side to step back and thereby scrum too low, causing instability or the opposition to hinge. I believe the referee must be knowledgeable enough to detect that one side is scrumming too low and therefore causing the other side to hinge. The ref has every right currently within the laws to penalize the team for stepping back and scrumming too low, rather than pinging the opposition for hinging. I believe that is what Peyper should have done. As I said earlier, I think it would be a very bad idea to not keep hinging outlawed, it is very dangerous, but the ref must differentiate between a team hinging and a team being forced to hinge due to the other side being too low. Again, just my opinion.

  • Comment 106, posted at 07.04.16 15:23:47 by Dancing Bear Reply
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