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Sharks XV changes for Border


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 14 Apr 2016 at 08:24
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Sharks XV coach Michael Horak has made five changes to his starting fifteen for Friday’s second Currie Cup qualifying round clash against Border, in East London. The team went down to Boland in their opener in Durban last week.

Horak has bolstered the tight five with Currie Cup experience this week, bringing Gerhard Engelbrecht in for Ruan Kramer at tighthead prop and promoting Dave McDuling from the bench, to start at lock ahead of Wian Vosloo. In an injury-enforced change to the loose trio, Christiaan de Bruin starts at blindside flank in place of Johan du Toit, who is out this week.

S’bura Sithole’s elevation to the Sharks tour squad sees a gap open up at right wing, with Neil Maritz moving over from the left to fill it. Legend Marwana, who played off the bench last week, starts in the number 11 shirt.

With Dale Chadwick and Thomas du Toit also both on tour, there’s room for two new props on the bench. Kramer will cover tighthead, with Barend Potgeiter the new loosehead. Vosloo will cover both lock and flank off the bench, while Rowan Gouws comes in at reserve scrumhalf for Matt Alborough. Marius Louw, in 22, is the final new face in the squad.

Sharks XV

1. Mzamo Majola
2. Andrew Du Plessis
3. Gerhard Engelbrecht
4. Dave McDuling
5. Tjiuee Uanivi
6. Khaya Majola (c)
7. Christiaan de Bruin
8. Retief Marais
9. Dylan Marcus
10. Inny-Christian Radebe
11. Nkululeko Marwana
12. Heimar Williams
13. Wandile Mjekevu
14. Neil Maritz
15. Alrin Eksteen

Replacements
16. Stephan Coetzee
17. Barend Potgieter
18. Ruan Kramer
19. Wian Vosloo
20. Rowan Gouws
21. Tristan Tedder
22. Marius Louw



70 Comments

  • Good luck Sharks XV!

  • Comment 1, posted at 14.04.16 08:32:27 by vanmartin Reply
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  • This is a pretty good starting side. Unsure what i think of the bench- but def some quality there. My thoughts when looking at this team is 1. How many players are between this side and the super rugby starting side? (Is this the next best?) 2. Alrin Eksteen always seems to be the 15 in the vodacom cup sides etc but has never had a look in higher….wonder why?

  • Comment 2, posted at 14.04.16 08:43:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 2) : interesting questions….

    1. No, this is probably “half a team” short of the next best. Lots of injuries, some spare players are on tour, etc etc. This really is the bulk of last year’s under 21 side which is being groomed for the future.

    2. Don’t know. Good question. Agree that he’s never really looked like stepping up, but he is still quite young.

  • Comment 3, posted at 14.04.16 08:51:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 2) : it’s a good bench. I’d say each of the players on that bench is very talented, although obviously all are still young

  • Comment 4, posted at 14.04.16 08:53:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : Yeh was just trying to measure the depth and if this team is in fact the next in line or perhaps 3rd/4th in line etc. I know it probably varies per position. I must admit i thought the side would entirely comprise last years u21s and UKZN Impi but i see they using some senior guys too. And yeh Alrin Eksteen seems to be the new Jaco Van Tonder…good for lower down but overlooked for anything higher.

  • Comment 5, posted at 14.04.16 09:32:20 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : Definitely a young bench…and in comps like this thats understandable. I would probably have gone youngsters to start and experience off the bench but either or is fine. All those guys can play- just probably untested at senior level although Stephen Coetzee has played a bit if im correct

  • Comment 6, posted at 14.04.16 09:33:45 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Looks like a balance of some more experienced heads with a lot of young guys in the mix, so we have to assume this is going to be a steep learning curve for some and need to give them space to grow.

    Hopefully they would of learnt a lot even from last weeks game and will be interesting to see how they do this week.

    Glad to see McDuling get a start. In terms of what I’ve seen of Andrews to date, i would of preferred to see him get more game time at this kind of level first before being thrust in the Super rugby setup. Rather let guys like McDuling and Astle (who is now with Kings) be back up at that level. I know some will disagree, but thats just my thoughts.

  • Comment 7, posted at 14.04.16 09:35:23 by stevovo Reply
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  • @stevovo (Comment 7) : I agree with you on Andrews but he surprises me every week so Im becoming more and more comfortable with him there.

  • Comment 8, posted at 14.04.16 09:44:44 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @stevovo (Comment 7) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 8) : Andrews in my opinion has been pretty good in Super rugby. He is an athletic lock and gets through a lot of work. Perhaps he may not be the strongest scrummager, but its unfair to judge that purely on his weight. So im all for giving this guy a run. I would still like our top 3 locks to be Lewies, Potgieter and Botha but hey they all inured…in terms of McDuling and Uanivi- i need to see more to be able to judge

  • Comment 9, posted at 14.04.16 09:47:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 9) : I think its time for me to put my hulking size and youth prejudices away and place full faith in Amndrews, he really has not let the team down in any aspect.

  • Comment 10, posted at 14.04.16 10:17:25 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 10) : He is a different type of lock than the Sharks have had of late- very much the Albert Van Den Berg mould. I have been impressed with his work rate and he definitely gets involved and can pass the ball. Is he going to bash through 5 players- no. He offers something different to that.

  • Comment 11, posted at 14.04.16 10:26:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 11) : And Albert always managed to make a nuisance of himself to the opposition in the lineouts and all over the park. He was deceptively fast with those long legs. I am happy to continue with Andrews at this level.

  • Comment 12, posted at 14.04.16 10:37:26 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 12) : Albert Van Deb Berg played intelligent rugby but didnt shy away from anything. Locks need to do more in the modern game than just be heavy and bash it up and form a ruck.

  • Comment 13, posted at 14.04.16 10:45:13 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 13) : Just compare Albert with Flip vd Merwe.

  • Comment 14, posted at 14.04.16 10:48:35 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 14) : Point made exactly

  • Comment 15, posted at 14.04.16 10:49:19 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 8) : @SheldonK (Comment 9) : I am by no means saying that he is not a player for the future, or even that he has let us down. i’m just wondering if he should rather be given more time to grow into this kind of role, that all. In the mean time lets use guys that have already played at this level and better suited to plug the gap as it were for the return of Potgieter and Botha.

  • Comment 16, posted at 14.04.16 11:09:25 by stevovo Reply
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  • @stevovo (Comment 16) : I think the problem comes in that the guys that are fit besides Andrews also havnt played at this level much. Uanivi has never played super rugby. McDuling barely featured for the Reds so think they both in the same boat as Andrews in terms of experience at this level now. Would be great to have all the locks Lewies,Oosthuizen, Potgieter, Botha, Andrews, Uanivi, McDuling, Mtyanda all fit and available…

  • Comment 17, posted at 14.04.16 11:18:01 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 17) : uanivi has played a rwc game against the all blacks :D actually think he could be albert vd berg-like,too.

  • Comment 18, posted at 14.04.16 11:33:18 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 18) : That was 1 game. And in a Namibian side that was dominated by 2nd string ABs. He has played most of his rugby in 2nd Div in France if im correct. So yes he has potential..but def not loads of experience. Andrews has played 4 or so games of Super rugby now so id probably say he is more experienced at this level

  • Comment 19, posted at 14.04.16 11:42:09 by SheldonK Reply

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  • imo andrews should be given time to grow into his role-and due to injuries,he is getting exactly that opportunity now.

  • Comment 20, posted at 14.04.16 11:44:40 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 19) : uanivi had some issues with working visa and injury.but yes,did not play much rugby at highest level in france.still did do good enough to catch the eye with his performance in an out-gunned namibian team. thought it a bit strange that he was let go to the kings,and then recalled ?either way,im glad andrews is getting opportunity.andrews (20),uanivi(25)lewies,potgieter are all under 26 years old.

  • Comment 21, posted at 14.04.16 11:58:56 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 21) : His move to the Kings was probably to get him some game time at this level when we still had fit locks. If he impresses with the CC side he could perhaps make a match day squad but will be tough unless there injuries.

  • Comment 22, posted at 14.04.16 12:25:22 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 22) : would have liked for one of the sharks u21 loosehead props to have had a trial at the kings,too: majola or potgieter.

  • Comment 23, posted at 14.04.16 13:04:00 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 23) : Our prop stocks are not that great so think they were holding onto all of them just in case.

  • Comment 24, posted at 14.04.16 13:12:39 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 24) : not both of the u21 props,but one could have gone on pre-season trial to the kings.sure the player,whomever it was,would have had some sr exposure by now.

  • Comment 25, posted at 14.04.16 14:34:50 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 25) : That does depend on whether the Kings were interested though. Perhaps they didnt see any value.

  • Comment 26, posted at 14.04.16 14:38:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 26) : could be.sharks did send them astle,van tonder,am,uanivi and hadebe(how is his injury recovery going?).

  • Comment 27, posted at 14.04.16 14:48:32 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 27) : Havnt heard anything about Hadebe since hearing of his injury- i think its fairly long term.

  • Comment 28, posted at 14.04.16 14:51:10 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I am correct in understanding that these CC games in the first phase is meaningless (i.t.o. results) for the teams with Super franchises, as the second phase does not carry over any log points?

  • Comment 29, posted at 14.04.16 14:57:08 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 29) : yes,it is just a cc qualifier for the non-superrugby unions.

  • Comment 30, posted at 14.04.16 14:58:34 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 29) : The reason this comp is great and far better than the Vodacom Cup, is the prize of gaining entry to the CC. It becomes much like the BPL, whereby the lower rank teams, Border, Boland etc, fight for their lives to gain entry to the CC. It means the level of rugby increases, because there is something on the line. With Vodacom Cup, there was no incentive and hence, the players often turned off.

  • Comment 31, posted at 14.04.16 15:12:00 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 31) : For sure, but still for the super teams these are really extended practice sessions / trials. They should perhaps have looked at carrying over 25% of your log points to the next level to give the super teams more incentive.

  • Comment 32, posted at 14.04.16 15:18:25 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 31) : Yeh i agree with you on that front- much better than Vodacom Cup. Things would have been very interesting if this comp was a straight qualification for all teams..top 8 play CC proper

  • Comment 33, posted at 14.04.16 15:20:24 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 32) : @SheldonK (Comment 33) : I agree, I would have loved to see this comp played whereby the top 8 qualify, regardless of whether or not WP/Sharks etc miss out. Then it would be exciting. Right now, for the top sides, it really is just about developing the youngsters for the future, which in itself, is not a bad thing.

  • Comment 34, posted at 14.04.16 15:24:45 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 34) : That would also not be entirely fair to the super teams as very few of them would have enough quality players for two squads. You will end up with at least two super teams not being able to qualify.
    That is why I suggest carrying some log points over to the next phase.

  • Comment 35, posted at 14.04.16 15:29:11 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 35) : The problem is, nothing is fair especially to the smaller Unions. I know this is crutching at straws, but if professionalism was not a factor and all Unions had money, the smaller Unions could be massive powerhouses. Border, Selborne College, Dale, Queens etc Boland, could pull from all the Paarl Schools etc anyway, that is another topic entirely, but most of the Super Rugby players come from these schools

  • Comment 36, posted at 14.04.16 15:39:15 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 34) : @Bokhoring (Comment 35) : Super rugby franchises budgets are at least twice the size of the smaller unions so a full on qualification would definitely be fair i think. Its all well and good creating depth with no pressure but if these guys were playing for a spot in a comp i can bet you they would take ‘creating depth’ a lot more seriously. It would also provide great motivation for the guys at the smaller unions to perhaps stake a claim for those depth spots at the bigger unions over the players currently there…

  • Comment 37, posted at 14.04.16 15:39:40 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 37) : Agree with you 100%. These are paid professionals and should be tested in a comp environment where there are consequences for losses.

    In fact, Super Rugby should also be like that, like any soccer league in the world, the bottom 3 drop out and lose out on millions in revenue. Then quality of play and excitement levels would be awesome

  • Comment 38, posted at 14.04.16 15:48:37 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 38) : Exactly….put something real on the line and then see determination.

  • Comment 39, posted at 14.04.16 15:53:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 37) : True for the bigger franchises, but the Kings (and possibly the Cheetahs) would currently not be able to qualify for the main phase.

  • Comment 40, posted at 14.04.16 15:58:24 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • The superrugby unions have bigger budgets because signing,and retaining,boks is not cheap.

  • Comment 41, posted at 14.04.16 15:59:55 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 40) : Well then if they dont qualify for the main phase they dont deserve to. Perhaps then they will sign some of these lessor known guys to help their depth the following year.

  • Comment 42, posted at 14.04.16 16:02:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 43) : or they can just back more of their age group players and give them the opportunity?

  • Comment 43, posted at 14.04.16 16:12:26 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 43) : Either or. But at the moment they playing for nothing…so no wonder side produce such mediocre stuff. The smaller sides are just hoping they catch these bigger sides on a day when the motivation is less than when the big side played the other small side.

  • Comment 44, posted at 14.04.16 16:14:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 21) : Im a big fan of Hyron, kids got talent and is seriously tall

    however i fear his so young and so tall that all his mass is spread cross his body and thus his not ready to take heavy contact at SR level, his weigh is decent but when you see him he looks much thinner compared to other 5′s, thus i was hoping to see him mostly off the bench and running the show in the extended CC

    my big fear is we’l go the route the cheetahs and the boks went with johan goosen and over expose a eager talented young player whose not get physically read for every situation

    speaking of which, iv seen goosen play FH, inside centre, outside centre and fb for Racing now, we should think of recruiting that kid back to sa

  • Comment 45, posted at 14.04.16 17:45:18 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 42) : If this system was used in the 2015 Vodacom Cup season, neither the Sharks nor the Kings would have qualified for the CC.

  • Comment 46, posted at 14.04.16 17:58:37 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 37) : @Vonno13 (Comment 38) : not even close guys! How must teams like the Sharks pay 60 odd top quality players?! There is no way in hell that it’s fair for big unions to play with a 2nd/3rd team against smaller unions 1st team!!!

  • Comment 47, posted at 14.04.16 18:29:35 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 47) : And then how is it fair for the smaller unions to then try fight it out during the main CC with these big sides? The Sharks side that have played these CC warm up games and the game vs Boland were a disgrace. There is no motivation for these guys…its basically just a stuff around. So either dont include them or include them and make them fight for a place. Lets see who can produce when something real is on the line.

  • Comment 48, posted at 15.04.16 08:11:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 48) : the whole buildup to the first part was a stuff up with the coach and some players still busy with Varsity rugby. Basically they’re in the same boat as last years Super rugby side.
    Smaller sides could just focus on preparing for the competition. Now for me it would be only fair if the Sharks Currie cup side also had the same amount of time to prepare as the smaller unions, or should the Sharks now appoint a specialist coaching staff just for the Currie cup qualification?

  • Comment 49, posted at 15.04.16 09:33:20 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 49) : Thats a very poor excuse i believe. We dont have many UKZN Impi guys in that side and there are coaches kicking their heels at the Union. So most of those players were doing preseason with the super squad etc since end of last year. Sorry but that excuse doesnt cut it for me. So fair enough use it to groom and test our depth…but then at least have something to play for. Now if we lose well so what..onto the next game, lose that oh well who cares onto the next. If there was something real on the line i can bet you now there would be a hell of a lot more focus given to the players and coaching of this team- which will definitely improve our depth than the current hap hazzard approach.

  • Comment 50, posted at 15.04.16 09:50:51 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 50) : The bigger unions will never allow such a qualification system to be put in place. Perhaps they can be convinced to carry log points over to the next stage.

  • Comment 51, posted at 15.04.16 09:56:11 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 51) : I know they will never agree. I just think it would be a very easy way to up the quality in this comp. CC rugby is stale at the moment…so adding some spice may brings to to light.

  • Comment 52, posted at 15.04.16 11:36:41 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 51) : @SheldonK (Comment 52) : Just like the Vodacom cup this is a meaningless competition and it was only created for the unions to do something as the Vodacom cup died. Personally I would have liked a knockout competition like the old Lion cup to replace the Vodacom cup.

  • Comment 53, posted at 15.04.16 11:54:57 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 53) : Yes agreed this is just as meaningless as the Vodacom Cup. But if they had made it straight out qualification for everyone then it definitely wouldnt be meaningless and i very much suspect that th standard would be higher as stakes would be higher.

  • Comment 54, posted at 15.04.16 12:29:27 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 54) : maybe / maybe not?
    Maybe it could have been better to do a qualification competition for only the smaller unions. Then you also play a serious Varsity cup and Club competition during this time with the top teams of the two playing for the top SA “amateur” team.

  • Comment 55, posted at 15.04.16 12:42:29 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 55) : Your suggestion is what they did last year. The CC qualifying was so poorly attended and nobody gave it much thought. Varsity cup has continued as is. And the Community Cup has now moved to the end of the season as opposed to the biginning

  • Comment 56, posted at 15.04.16 13:02:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 56) : my idea is to run Varsity cup, Community cup and CC qualifiers all during this time. Where possible let teams play more than one game on a day at a stadium e.g Wits vs NMMU followed by Valle vs EP Kings, etc.

  • Comment 57, posted at 15.04.16 14:34:24 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 57) : Remember the only reason Varsity Cup draws a crowd is because its played at the varsities. Nobody barring parents and gfs etc are interested in the smaller teams playing each other. So instead why not have a school boy curtain raiser at a decent stadium followed by a CC qualifier where the small guy has a big incentive for taking down a big team.

  • Comment 58, posted at 15.04.16 15:24:49 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 58) : can’t understand why unions seemingly scrapped the idea of curtain raisers.

  • Comment 59, posted at 15.04.16 17:29:57 by JD Reply
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  • Will anyone be at the game to give score updates?

  • Comment 60, posted at 15.04.16 18:31:11 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • Border led 22-3 at HT

  • Comment 61, posted at 15.04.16 20:07:19 by bchanakira2 Reply
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  • Sharks try.
    22-8 now. Kick missed

  • Comment 62, posted at 15.04.16 20:08:06 by bchanakira2 Reply
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  • Mjekevu try.
    Border lead 22-15

  • Comment 63, posted at 15.04.16 20:11:59 by bchanakira2 Reply
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  • Border under pressure and making errors now.

  • Comment 64, posted at 15.04.16 20:14:35 by bchanakira2 Reply
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  • Try Border.
    Border beat the Sharks 27-15

  • Comment 65, posted at 15.04.16 20:21:33 by bchanakira2 Reply
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  • Border get yellow.
    Sharks score.
    Border lead 27-22

  • Comment 66, posted at 15.04.16 20:28:17 by bchanakira2 Reply
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  • Border extend lead to 32-22

  • Comment 67, posted at 15.04.16 20:34:55 by bchanakira2 Reply
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  • Two teams exchange tries.
    Border now lead 35-29

  • Comment 68, posted at 15.04.16 20:39:18 by bchanakira2 Reply
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  • Border win 37-32

  • Comment 69, posted at 15.04.16 20:42:48 by bchanakira2 Reply
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  • @bchanakira2 (Comment 69) : thanx for the updates. Pity the Sharks lost.

  • Comment 70, posted at 15.04.16 21:51:51 by JD Reply
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