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Three changes for Sharks


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 14 Apr 2016 at 11:11
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Gary Gold has named a strong Sharks outfit to face the Blues in Auckland in their first tour match on Saturday. The side features three changes from the unit that started against the Lions at Kings Park last weekend.

Marcell Coetzee, of course, has been ruled out of all rugby for 9 months due to an ACL injury sustained in that game, meaning a shift from number 8 to open side flank for Daniel du Preez. Philip van der Walt, who has recovered form a neck injury picked up over the Easter weekend, comes in to start at number 8. The other two changes are also in the pack; Lourens Adriaanse starts at tight-head prop in a rotational switch with Coenie Oosthuizen, while Stephan Lewies (a late withdrawal last week) is fit again and replaces Hyron Andrews in the number 5 jersey.

The backline remains unchanged this week. Thomas du Toit comes into the number 17 jersey for Juan Schoeman in the only other bench change.

Sharks: 15 Willie le Roux, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Paul Jordaan, 12 Andre Esterhuizen, 11 Lwazi Mvovo, 10 Joe Pietersen, 9 Cobus Reinach, 8 Philip van der Walt, 7 Jean-Luc du Preez, 6 Daniel du Preez, 5 Stephan Lewies, 4 Etienne Oosthuizen, 3 Lourens Adriaanse, 2 Franco Marais, 1 Tendai Mtawarira (captain).
Replacements: 16 Kyle Cooper, 17 Thomas du Toit, 18 Coenie Oosthuizen, 19 Hyron Andrews, 20 Keegan Daniel, 21 Michael Claassens, 22 Garth April, 23 Odwa Ndungane



71 Comments

  • If we are going to win a game on this tour I feel it has to be this one.

  • Comment 1, posted at 14.04.16 11:13:33 by Nostraseth Reply
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  • @Nostraseth (Comment 1) : we have a very good record against these guys, at least

  • Comment 2, posted at 14.04.16 11:14:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • Not a lot of rotation on the go. Was hoping for a few more players to get a little more game time at this point in the season. Nice to have Thomas, Phillip and Stephan back.

  • Comment 3, posted at 14.04.16 11:14:49 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Jeez I hope Joe performs. If he has a bad 30 minutes, I hope gold subs him with April. At least the back line will then get going!

  • Comment 4, posted at 14.04.16 11:15:29 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : blues are making quite something of this game.getting the blues players from 1996 final there.plus what happened to a blues player this past week will most probably also be used as motivation.will be fired up.tana was not the cleanest player in his time-just ask o’driscoll.hope peyper and co keep their eyes on any off-the-ball stuff and hight hits.

  • Comment 5, posted at 14.04.16 11:17:35 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • Happy about Adriaanse’s star.

    Puzzled by Dan Du Preez starting at 6.

    …and Joe at 10, let’s hope he sticks with what he knows – territorial rugby.

    Would have preferred Claasen and April, but I guess the coaches know best.

  • Comment 6, posted at 14.04.16 11:20:59 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Another good looking team on paper but its how the guys perform that matters. Nice firepower and ball handling ability in our loose trio. Hoping they use Esterhuizen more as a decoy than no.1 option. And hoping DuToit gets good game time as Beast fades badly in matches. Who captains if Beats goes off? Both Claasens and Ndungane been mentioned as VC before but they would need to be on the field.

  • Comment 7, posted at 14.04.16 11:21:15 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I was really hoping for a Claasens / April rotation with Reinach / Joe P. Would have gone for Keegan starting at 6 (and Ninja coming in from the bench) – going to need someone to slow down the Blues ball. They are struggling at the moment but there are some players in that team that will punish you from quick ball.

  • Comment 8, posted at 14.04.16 11:24:05 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 8) : Agree.

  • Comment 9, posted at 14.04.16 11:27:05 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • All in all a proper team. Would have liked April at 10.. but I’m sure his time will come sooner rather than later. Plus, Pat’s almost back! :razz: :razz:

  • Comment 10, posted at 14.04.16 11:40:01 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 3) : Agree, I think its now time to realise that Gary Gold does not subscribe to the Swys de Bruin, er, sorry that should be Johan Ackerman view on rotataion.

  • Comment 11, posted at 14.04.16 11:43:27 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 11) : To be fair, looking over all the other sides there is very little rotation throughout…at most 1 or 2 guys. Except the crazy Argies but thats understandable

  • Comment 12, posted at 14.04.16 11:44:39 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Dragnipur (Comment 4) : Agreed, the main difference between the french tour and know is Joe unfortunately

  • Comment 13, posted at 14.04.16 11:50:22 by jdolivier Reply

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  • Would have like to see JPP not in the starting team aswell as Reinach but they get a chance, where on tour we have now been written off by most, to prove all the critics wrong. I have a strong feeling about this game that we going to be pleasantly surprised by how well we going to play. Im backing our team to hit the ground running and put in a great performance.

  • Comment 14, posted at 14.04.16 11:56:44 by Fox Reply

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  • It’s a pity the Sharks let Chris Cloete go. He would have been the perfect replacement for Marcell. He’s been playing some great rugby for the Kings.

  • Comment 15, posted at 14.04.16 11:59:45 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 15) : agree with you on that call.would have been good for rotation with marcell ,too.but what i was thinking as another option,considering how marcell is an 80 min player: imagine 25 mins of cloete and marcell at the same time ?change the loose trio set-up completely for the final quarter and a bit.

  • Comment 16, posted at 14.04.16 12:07:36 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • Wow…would have thought Deysel would start at 6. There’s no balance in that loose trio. No forward grunt meaning we won’t dominate their loose forwards. Difficult to then be on the front. Add Cobus’ slow passing game and we are already swimming against the current. This is not a Blues team of old. Gary needs to really think about his team. Would have also thought April would start at 10 with Joe moving to 15. Willie on the bench.

  • Comment 17, posted at 14.04.16 12:14:20 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Well, last week the line outs and scrums were a bit creaky. The changes will boost those just fine. My worry is the backline where they has been little rotation and minimal changes and yet the same backline has not really gelled and got stuck into attack. I realize it’s easier to criticize but I was hoping for the backs to get mixed up a bit.

  • Comment 18, posted at 14.04.16 12:21:37 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 17) : The Blues havnt exactly picked a fetcher either- that probably played into his thinking. Also our 3 guys are good ball players. Not sure why we wouldnt start with our best attacking threat in Willie?

  • Comment 19, posted at 14.04.16 12:22:27 by SheldonK Reply

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  • This is a good team,except for no 9, hope Lewies lasts,and that Thomas’s is back bigger and better than last year.
    Lots of quality back up on the bench as well.

  • Comment 20, posted at 14.04.16 12:24:35 by The hound Reply
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  • I think the consensus is that April should start. Well, it’s not going to happen now but maybe next game. I don’t know how to feel about this upcoming match. It’s been a long time since I was cocky. More familiar with humility these days.

  • Comment 21, posted at 14.04.16 12:24:57 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 17) : I would not select Deysel as an open side flank – only ever at blindside. He is way too slow nowadays. There is plenty of grunt in that trio – the twins are big boys and pretty fast on top of it.

  • Comment 22, posted at 14.04.16 12:27:42 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 11) : @SheldonK (Comment 12) : Valid point. It does seem crazy (to me) that SR coaches aren’t buying into rotation at this point.

  • Comment 23, posted at 14.04.16 12:27:48 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 15) : I wonder if they werent onto him as soon as they heard that Marcell was going.

  • Comment 24, posted at 14.04.16 12:32:51 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 21) : Same. :|

  • Comment 25, posted at 14.04.16 12:42:35 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 19) : Have you seen his last few games?

  • Comment 26, posted at 14.04.16 12:47:05 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 22) : That’s you. Gold alreadt said he sees him as a 6. With the amount of ball he steals he can surely be a 6.

  • Comment 27, posted at 14.04.16 13:00:57 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 23) : Yeh look maybe its the pressure to win but ive noticed very little rotation throughout. Jaguares apart.

  • Comment 28, posted at 14.04.16 13:17:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 26) : He hasnt set the world alight…but then who in the team has? He has probed and asked soem questions. Moving Pieterson back to replace him doesnt make much sense.

  • Comment 29, posted at 14.04.16 13:18:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 27) : If you play a team that attacks close to the breakdown with a lot of forward drives, he can be very effective. Playing teams that like use the width of the field will take him completely out of the game in that role.

  • Comment 30, posted at 14.04.16 13:28:05 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Should have benched Daniel du Preez and started Keegan Daniel. Daniel has the potential to be our link man between the forwards and the backs. He could actually help us overcome our pathetic attempt at an “attacking” game plan. For that same reason, Gold should have started April. I know Pietersen is Mr. Reliable, but he is holding our attack back with the way he is playing! As it seems, Gold can’t learn from mistakes. Last week should have been a wake up call!

  • Comment 31, posted at 14.04.16 13:29:34 by David12246 Reply

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  • Very glad for the boost. Keen to see Adriaanse start and if he will make a difference same with the heavier and more experienced lock. Hope the analysts are taking note and comparing. I must say our lack of cohesiveness and performance has me a little baffled. To rights we should not be struggling as much. Could it be as simple as the right combinations?

  • Comment 32, posted at 14.04.16 14:23:41 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I have seen a NZ teams changing a lot if their team, Blues, Canes, Saders, Chiefs have all done it so far in a game or two…. What is this about not teams rotating players?

  • Comment 33, posted at 14.04.16 14:24:48 by Nostraseth Reply
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  • @David12246 (Comment 31) : I am inclined to agree the experience of keegan paired with his agility and speed could be an advantage to getting quick clean ball. Especially with Marcell out of the picture we someone to step up and secure quickly.

  • Comment 34, posted at 14.04.16 14:25:43 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I would also start Claasens just for a hits and giggles. Let’s see what some stability at pivot will do for our first half.

  • Comment 35, posted at 14.04.16 14:26:47 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Neither du Preez has featured once in the top ball stealers, where is keegan was our top steeler last weekend as a sub…. Crazy that he is not starting.

  • Comment 36, posted at 14.04.16 14:32:47 by Nostraseth Reply
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  • @Nostraseth (Comment 36) : Perhaps they wanting the quicker player off the bench? It does help cover for tired legs later in the game.

  • Comment 37, posted at 14.04.16 14:41:03 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Interesting that Chilliboy is cleared to play but not selected. Surely he would have been better suited to getting game time in the C qualifier and another hooker or a guy like Engelbrecht on tour as cover

  • Comment 38, posted at 14.04.16 14:52:16 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 38) : was wondering the same thing.sure he will get some game time on tour.

  • Comment 39, posted at 14.04.16 14:57:06 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 39) : If he does thats fine but if he isnt now rated as the top 2 hookers then why take him now? rather let him play CC so he is fit and ready after tour.

  • Comment 40, posted at 14.04.16 15:02:07 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 40) : need to tour with 3 hookers.or rather: it is always better to go with 3 hookers in the touring squad.

  • Comment 41, posted at 14.04.16 15:06:07 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 38) : you absolutely have to have 3 hookers and 5 props on tour.

    Consider this…. one of your props or hookers pulls up lame the morning of the match (even slips in the bloody hotel shower) and you have to forfeit the match because you can’t get a replacement there in time. It’s too big a risk to take.

    Front rankers are the only positions where you have to have “recognised” players. You can always get a spare flank to sit on the bench to cover scrumhalf, but you cannot get a centre to cover hooker.

  • Comment 42, posted at 14.04.16 15:10:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 42) : Unless its Craig Burden :o Ja, you can’t tour without back up front rankers for that exact reason.

    Would have preferred a young hooker to go and leave Chilli with the young CC side, as a mentor – on the field, not off it.

  • Comment 43, posted at 14.04.16 15:18:16 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @robdylan (Comment 42) : thanks.

  • Comment 44, posted at 14.04.16 15:23:46 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 43) : sharks need chili to play superrugby.he was contracted for that.

  • Comment 45, posted at 14.04.16 15:25:05 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 45) : We talking about a player who has not played any rugby in how long? What makes him deserve a spot in the Super side? personally I would never have signed him, but I know there is a very close relationship with JS. I just feel a younger hooker would benefit more from the tour, and in the long run, the Sharks would benefit more.

  • Comment 46, posted at 14.04.16 15:27:33 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • Just remembered something i wanted to mention this week after having another look at the sharks vs lions game.after reinach made the pass to andrews,he was clearly held back twice by the lions player.noticed it on the replay.that is why beast was there playing no9.should have been a sharks penalty.but ultimately that illegal play robbed the sharks from a try imo.the ball was presented with space on the right,that a player like reinach could have exploited to score.or had beast running on to the pass into that space.

  • Comment 47, posted at 14.04.16 15:31:25 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • Why the fuck is joe there honestly! So sick of this guy getting endless chances while april sits on the bench. When is april gonna find his feet playing 5min every game besides last week. :mad:

  • Comment 48, posted at 14.04.16 15:40:48 by Poisy Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 41) : @robdylan (Comment 42) : I think you misunderstood me. Im not saying dont take 3 hookers- you definitely have to in case of last min injury. What im saying is that why take Chili who isnt match fit really unless he is going to be on the bench for games. Just being part of the touring party adds no value. Would rather have taken a match fit u21 guy as cover or a guy like Engelbrecht who can play both prop and hooker-possibly better at hooker. Would Chili have not been better served playing 80min in CC ?

  • Comment 49, posted at 14.04.16 15:45:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 48) : Its because in SA we believe in conservative, boring choices. They somehow seem to feel Joe is a safe choice. Look at Beuden Barret and Aaron Cruden, when they started out, they were ok players, but they were young and very gifted and were given time to settle and get better. We seem to pick the old pivots.

    Just watch JL Dup with the Stormers, he is young and not afraid to give the ball air. He is going to make mistakes, but more importantly, he is going to grow and become a great.

    Inno should be on this tour!! end of story, he has the talent and is old enough, 21 is no longer a baby.

  • Comment 50, posted at 14.04.16 15:46:14 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 50) : I think Gold is nervous about April’s goal kicking, hence Joe. But yeh i think both April and Inny should have toured with Joe as outside back cover and Odwa or Sithole not touring

  • Comment 51, posted at 14.04.16 15:49:10 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 50) : the problem I have with that thinking is that joe makes so many school boy mistakes why not give april a go, atleast april is learning and I wouldn’t get so angry at mistakes but with joe its just 2 often now and he is not the safe choice he is the weaklink

  • Comment 52, posted at 14.04.16 15:49:20 by Poisy Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 49) : with the timing of his return and the tour,it did not give much opportunity for a “warm-up” game.think the coaches’ reasoning could be: select 3 hookers.select chili.if needed,use him from the bench/select him on the bench .

  • Comment 53, posted at 14.04.16 15:56:31 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 52) : Exactly my point, if a young gun has great talent, a mistake here or there is not a problem, in my eyes anyway

  • Comment 54, posted at 14.04.16 15:58:09 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 53) : That makes no sense to me. They clearly have invested in him for some reason. So surely you want your investment match fit and firing. Playing 3 weeks of 80min in the CC would get him there. Carrying tackles bags and perhaps the odd couple minutes off the bench still leaves him unfit.

  • Comment 55, posted at 14.04.16 15:59:09 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 55) : I can tell you this for a fact, with Paul Anthony and John Smit at the Sharks, Chilli Boy was always going to be made an offer – not what you know, who you know. Chilli is there because of the PBHS connection, make no mistake about that.

  • Comment 56, posted at 14.04.16 16:00:50 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 56) : Oh ya i realised that the minute he was signed. We only team that would touch him.

  • Comment 57, posted at 14.04.16 16:03:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Id have preferred to still have bissie at the sharks.imo a bissie/chili tag team would have been awesome.but once again there are money constraints.now bissie is not here.and whatever and however and whomever brought this about is just conjecture.and i dont like to be drawn into that.what i do know is that chili is at the [email protected]: the coaches must see chili as in the top 3 hookers in the squad.we do not yet know if he is just on tour to “carry tackle bags”,or how many minutes the coaches are planning on playing him.

  • Comment 58, posted at 14.04.16 16:08:15 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 54) : I agree

  • Comment 59, posted at 14.04.16 16:12:10 by Poisy Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 58) : With current exchange rate and what these players can earn in France, there is just no way any SA franchise can put a competing offer on the table.

  • Comment 60, posted at 14.04.16 16:15:43 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 58) : Well in the first game Chili is getting zero minutes. So that only leaves 2 games. Would be a seriously big call to start him next game so at most on the bench. If he plays more than 30min on tour id be surprised. Which means he is still unfit. 3 games totally close to 240minutes in the CC would have been better management of him.

  • Comment 61, posted at 14.04.16 16:21:24 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Garth April made a big deference when he came on because he took to ball to the line a lot better AND a big AND he ran at pace onto the ball before passing , HE got the back line running smoothly . Joe Pieterson is like a Morne Steyn type Flyhalf . By choosing JOE at 10 I am predicting the same type of game plan against the saders

  • Comment 62, posted at 14.04.16 17:00:29 by shrodingers cat Reply

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  • my take is that we are not getting clean ball out of the scrum. It appears that the Japanese team during World Cup realised their shortcomings in the scrum battle and got the ball quickly out the scrum to the backline. Reinach fiddles and farts at the base. Lets try to emulate the nips.Gary Gold seems to have a hard on for JPP. Hope that he justifies the coaches pick.

  • Comment 63, posted at 14.04.16 17:14:33 by Papabear Reply

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  • @Papabear (Comment 63) : . I dont think we will be on the back foot this weekend . Adriaanse is a much better scrummager .

  • Comment 64, posted at 14.04.16 17:25:03 by shrodingers cat Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 49) : aaah. I’m with you. And yes, that may have made more sense.

  • Comment 65, posted at 14.04.16 17:32:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 49) : @robdylan (Comment 65) : I have a hunch that Chili will be on the bench for the next game and will start the last game.

  • Comment 66, posted at 14.04.16 21:49:14 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 65) : Glad we back on the same page at least ;)

  • Comment 67, posted at 15.04.16 08:13:22 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 66) : After pretty decent performances from Marais and Cooper that would be a big F U to them both…and its moves like that that causes players to quickly lose faith in a coach. At most Chili should bench in 1 of the games. Which still doesnt justify taking him on tour.

  • Comment 68, posted at 15.04.16 08:14:46 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 48) : I must say it does feel like when Lambie was playing only 5/10mins for the Boks when MS was still playing. He won’t be able to show what he has to offer with only a few minutes every match, neither wil it do his confidence any good. One thing to me though is April does look kind of stressed when he does come onto the field, which on the other side could just be down to the coaches not giving him proper time to settle.

  • Comment 69, posted at 15.04.16 08:49:42 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 69) : After the Toulouse game i would have loved them to stick with April as i thought he had a good game and first up was the Kings game so perfect timing. But its the SA tendency to pick the safe option. Perhaps its the fear of failure who knows. With Lambie out i would have loved to see April and Radebe given the reins with Joe subbing in with the back 3.

  • Comment 70, posted at 15.04.16 09:04:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 70) : also think April should have started against the Kings but it’s done now. Think Gold will stick with Joe until Pat is fit.

  • Comment 71, posted at 15.04.16 22:19:06 by JD Reply
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