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Are we looking in the wrong place?


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 21 Apr 2016 at 12:01
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A fair few column inches have already been devoted to the Sharks’ search for “balance” in their game, with pundits and scribes alike bemoaning a supposed over-reliance on defence at the expense of attack. While I feel this is a handy and perhaps rather obvious stick with which to beat the team, I wonder if the attacking woes this year might not have a far simpler explanation.

Cast your mind back to the Crusaders game over Easter, the first loss for the Sharks in this campaign. Much was said of the Sharks’ determination to play no rugby and rather live off Crusader mistakes, but those of us who understood what was really going on very quickly came to realise that the men in black had been forced into that style of play by their visitors. Stronger play at both set pieces and breakdowns ensured that all the front-foot ball belonged to the Crusaders, with mere scraps under pressure the lots of the Sharks. The home side did score two tries, both of them the result of turnovers and it was key to note that they never looked like creating an opportunity from phase play off their own ball.

Fast forward to the next game and exactly the same thing happened, except in this case, the Lions didn’t give the Sharks any turnover opportunities and hence no tries were scored against them. What didn’t changer, though, was dominance in the up-front exchanges from the visitors; the Sharks battled at scrum time and were soundly defeated in the breakdown contest. Joe Pietersen’s nightmare at flyhalf was a big part of the heavy defeat, but given that he was asked to wear Lions pressure defenders like a particularly cheap suit every time he got the ball certainly cannot have helped. When the Sharks did look good against the Blues last week, it was during those times in the match when their forwards had their tails up – and perhaps most crucially of all, the two good tries that were scored came off quick front-foot ball. Pietersen may have his limitations as a pivot, but like every other man to wear the number 10 jersey throughout history, he looks a much better player going forward than he does when retreating.

The common factor here is the pack and while some are quick to scoff at the “rebuilding” tag, I think it’s fair to at least acknowledge quite how much has been lost up front this year. Apart from the fact that we have a forwards coach in just his first Super Rugby campaign (and second senior professional campaign overall), we have a starting pack that has lost well in excess of 500 caps’ worth of Super Rugby experience in just one season. Bismarck du Plessis, his brother Jannie, Willem Alberts, Ryan Kankowski and Marco Wentzel are just some of the big names to have left the squad this year, but together make up half the starting pack and while the men that are left are not universally young in age, there’s a very clear experience deficit that’s been created.

The Sharks have played the majority of their games this year with two 20-year-old loose forwards, a hooker in his first real season of Super Rugby (since Franco Marais enjoyed basically no game-time during the Bismarck years) and a pair of locks that are both still shy of 30 caps apiece. Add further inexperienced backup in the form of 20-year-old Hyron Andrews and fellow debutant Juan Schoeman and you start to understand just how much of a workload is being carried by the few experienced men left in the pack; Beast Mtawarira, Marcell Coetzee (before his injury), Lourens Adriaanse and then the likes of Coenie Oosthuizen and Philip van der Walt, who are both also very new to the Sharks set-up.

We’ve suddenly gone from a Sharks starting pack that would comprise the bulk of a first-choice Springbok 8, to one with only a single player who would be considered an automatic pick in green and gold. That kind of loss of experience simply has to have an effect on-field and I believe we are seeing that very clearly so far this season. As before, I’m afraid the only real answer here is the one thing that so few seem unwilling to give: the benefit of patience.



118 Comments

  • Gold is a clown. For the past weeks he has been talking of holding onto the ball more, us not wanting to defend for 80 minutes etc….yet he kicks all the ball away. What makes him look stupid is the mixed messages. If he is going to play a defence orientated kicking game he must say so. If the talk is playing in the right areas automatically it means no ball in hand in your half. If half the game is played in your half then most of the time was spent without possession. Simple…Gold’s rugby philosophy is not aligned to Sharks rugby. Do you guys remember 2010 CC final against the Bulls? We forced the Bulls to make something north of 230 tackles yet we only made something ridiculous like less than 80. There was no playing in the right areas shit then. We said we want to hold onto the ball and we did that. None of this fork tongue from Gold.

  • Comment 1, posted at 21.04.16 12:17:06 by GreatSharksays Reply
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  • Looking at Bismarck, Jannie, Planet, Willem and Kanko.

    that’s an aggregate of 532 Super Rugby caps and 180 test caps that we’ve lost.

    The only experienced forward who has come in to replace all of that is Coenie, with 80 Super Rugby caps and 23 tests

  • Comment 2, posted at 21.04.16 12:18:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 1) : “yet he kicks all the ball away” ? I didn’t see Gary kick one ball last Saturday.

  • Comment 3, posted at 21.04.16 12:19:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • You make good points in this article. The simple fact is that the Sharks have used defense to try win games as they simply cant keep the ball on attack. Handling errors and being beaten up at the breakdown and requiring basically our whole pack to secure the ball have resulted in numerous turnovers in possession and have also contributed to the ball in hand approach being risky as a result. So yes im sure the Sharks would love to play more with the ball in hand, trust me the players enjoy running with it much more than defending…BUT in order to do that they cant keep dropping the ball in contract, they cant continue to require 5/6 guys to secure the ball each ruck and they cant be on the back foot from their own set pieces. There is more than 1 way to win a game…hence the defensive approach

  • Comment 4, posted at 21.04.16 12:21:45 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : He may have kicked a couple during the warm up…perhaps something to look into ;)

  • Comment 5, posted at 21.04.16 12:23:46 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 1) : Just to reply to your comment….Gold says he wants to play more with ball in hand- he has constantly said that so thats consistent. His players have kept on dropping the ball and turning it over in contact- that also happened consistently. So whilst im sure he would loved to try keep the ball in hand and attack more his players arent coming to the party. He still needs to try win games though so hence the adoption of the kick and defensive pressure approach during games.

  • Comment 6, posted at 21.04.16 12:26:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • This is a good point Rob and certainly has a big bearing on our results to date.

    But it goes beyond this, and this is where I agree with @GreatSharksays, whether you have older more experienced pack or a younger less experienced pack, you still have form of ‘gameplan’ in mind when you do eventually get possession, and it is very clear that currently the mindset is that possession and keeping ball in hand is not prioritized, was is, is kicking the ball and away and then defending till the death – that is what is annoying a lot of us.

  • Comment 7, posted at 21.04.16 12:28:24 by stevovo Reply
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  • While I somewhat agree with that, I think the lack of quick ball is really hurting us. Kicking the ball is always going to happen in rugby, but its how we kick the ball back. While Reinach is generally quick enough to get to the ruck, he’s always more interested in whats happening around the ruck and talking to the ref rather than passing the bloody ball!!!
    Another grip is that he only likes to box kick when he is on the halfway line, not inside his own 22

  • Comment 8, posted at 21.04.16 12:30:37 by Tintin Reply

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  • Good articale but I am afraid it will not appease the anger of the “stick” which is the fans.

    I feel that the anger that is generated towards the team has much to do with Gary. I have recently noticed in his interviews, that he hints it’s good to be away from home and also referres to how many have written them off. To me it creates the illusion of an us against them. He should also stop talking about attacking rugby and ball retention if that can’t be a reality right now.

  • Comment 9, posted at 21.04.16 12:31:51 by YamYam Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : When every first receiver, 9,10,15 even the wings are kicking the ball, that’s on the coach for telling them to do so.

    Sorry mate but not all of us are naive enough to think it’s constant poor play by several players week in and week out. It’s instructed, by a poor instructor.

  • Comment 10, posted at 21.04.16 12:33:32 by Nostraseth Reply
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  • @stevovo (Comment 7) : do you not conceded that not all possession is good possession, though?

  • Comment 11, posted at 21.04.16 12:42:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 11) : Rob sometimes you just have to accept that people want to blame the coach no matter what and no amount of reasoning and perspective will change that. So may as well just let them have a go at the guy…

  • Comment 12, posted at 21.04.16 12:47:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Lots of talent gone. Lots of new talent. Quoting Naas quickly… If you are good enough you are old enough. So…. If you are good enough to pull over a super rugby jersey you should have no excuses. School rugby…club rugby…and perhaps CC level you can bring excuses. Only reasoning I’m prepared to take is if you dont all click in the first couple of games. But by week 8 you should fire on all cylinders. If not…no blaming the players. They did not pick themselves. Its the coaching staff inability to pull it off. They failed. They had enough time to do talent hunting. Get at least 15 top class players. All teams does it. Some at younger age level. They have 3 month off season plus CC time to work on aspects like ball handling. But drilling defense in players does not help with that. Now we see it. It’s a balanced game. If all 8 opposition backline players are lying on the field and you are pinned in your ingoal area. Are you still going to kick for touch or are going to play the situation?

  • Comment 13, posted at 21.04.16 12:49:58 by ebenp Reply

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  • I know I only coach hockey,never coached rugby before in my life,but to me it really seemed like the sharks tried to get the balance right between defense and attack on saturday. Like the article mentioned,we had no possession (or bad possession) in the last 2 games to attack with. Against the blues,they had oppertunities and there were some beautiful passes and offloads in the tackles. They did not play a perfect game,but i could at least see they are trying to play more rugby

  • Comment 14, posted at 21.04.16 12:50:00 by HeinF Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 12) : But this coach has asked the anger be directed to him. In more than one article he has stated that he is willing to take the blame.
    I am not blaming him for everything but I think he is opening himself up for this?

  • Comment 15, posted at 21.04.16 12:51:45 by YamYam Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 12) : As defeatist as it comes across, I agree

  • Comment 16, posted at 21.04.16 12:52:35 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 14) : I agree fully. Just for me a bit late to try it only now. Why did we not play like that since werk 1? Thats the frustration

  • Comment 17, posted at 21.04.16 12:52:38 by ebenp Reply

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  • @YamYam (Comment 15) : SA supporters, especially Sharks fans have loved having a go at coaches, especially in recent past. The fact that the team isnt winning has made people even more angry with the coach. The basic consensus is that the players are brilliant and its Gold thats forcing them to make mistakes and play poorly to spite the Sharks fans, his assistant coaches and the players.

  • Comment 18, posted at 21.04.16 12:57:22 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @ebenp (Comment 17) : Um you do know in week 1 we beat the Kings by more than anyone else has this year, week 2 we ran the ball and beat a tough Jaguares side, week 3 beat a strong Stormers side in CT….

  • Comment 19, posted at 21.04.16 13:02:16 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 18) : Ok just to set the record straight. There is never a coach on the field. So yes its not his fault and he does not kick miss infront of the uprights. However he should equip the players to play the game. If you take missed kick against bulls. We should have easily won that game so 1 kick should not have made a difference. Coenie has cost us so much momentum and penalties so we never got into games. I can go on. Point is. Yes sometimes a player makes mistakes
    They all do. Even the greats. But this mentallity of focussing on 1 thing at a time is rubbish

  • Comment 20, posted at 21.04.16 13:05:46 by ebenp Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 19) : No never watch any games. Lol… You know 2 years ago after round 11 we were top of the logand syill did not qualify for play offs… Same reason. Jake’s conservative approach. Being 1 dimentional. It works sometimes but never gets you trophys. Same happens now. Defense defense etc.

  • Comment 21, posted at 21.04.16 13:09:47 by ebenp Reply

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  • @ebenp (Comment 20) : Im not sure i follow you with this mentality of only focussing on 1 thing at a time? Where does that come from?

  • Comment 22, posted at 21.04.16 13:10:08 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @ebenp (Comment 21) : So hang on…you agreed that Sharks tried to play a more balanced game vs the Blues but wanted it from week 1. In week 1 we ran in plenty against the Kings and followed that up with good winds in round 2 and 3. But then overall we have been conservative since week 1. Actually nevermind…just go with my comment 12

  • Comment 23, posted at 21.04.16 13:12:57 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 22) : Not sure. Probably my 1d mind. Wanting Sharks to play Chiefs/Crus/Hur type game. They can defend attack scoremiracle tries all in10min window.

  • Comment 24, posted at 21.04.16 13:14:07 by ebenp Reply

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  • @ebenp (Comment 17) : I hear you. We really did play like that in France, then I think nerves might have kicked in or safety first to just get some wins. Against the lions and crusaders (and even the bulls) we just didn’t have enough front foot ball to work with. So for now I will at least like to believe that if they were able to, they would have done that a few weeks ago already. Against the lions I really got the feeling that they were planning on playing more attacking rugby to try and catch the Lions by surprise, as they were expecting a defensive game, but that just really backfired (my opinion anyway, I could be way of!)…at least after last Saturday, I have the offloads between Lewies and Oosthuizen, as well as Jordaan’s try, to remember ;)

  • Comment 25, posted at 21.04.16 13:17:40 by HeinF Reply

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  • @ebenp (Comment 24) : New Zealand players are good, cant deny that fact.

  • Comment 26, posted at 21.04.16 13:22:13 by SheldonK Reply

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  • It’s a great point, except that last year even with the experience we had up front, we were equally if not even more poor on attack?

    The problem as I see it, is that we are unable to create opportunities owing to a poor skill level.
    We are unable to generate pressure through 5-10-15 phases as we drop the ball, pass it incorrect, or take the wrong option and kick it away or isolate ourselves.

    How about an article on methods the coaching staff could be using already / should be using to increase the skill level?

  • Comment 27, posted at 21.04.16 13:31:50 by neilster Reply

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  • @neilster (Comment 27) : I do like your last sentence there. Coaching vision is tricky as no 2 situations are alike. But what you can do is give ideas or concepts that players could try. In terms of handling there are simple drills that can be done but the best ones are trying to handle whilst under physical pressure from an opposing player. Now whether the coaching staff are currently doing this or not i wouldnt know…i would hope they are to some degree with Rob DuPreez involved in those aspects. I think what is hardest to coach is how an opposition n match day react and how well they react to what you are doing. As an example its all well and good when you are handling ell under the pressure from a team mate at training…different matter when its Kieren Reid in a game.

  • Comment 28, posted at 21.04.16 13:44:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : Are you serious? Is it not his strategy? They are implementing his. Captain even said they want to play in the right areas? What does that mean and how do you get in the right areas as per Gold’s definition?

  • Comment 29, posted at 21.04.16 14:04:35 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Lost all interest after lions game. I will watch friday because there are some changes but sharks rugby is in trouble and boring. I no longer get nervous before a game or amped or anything just no emotion anymore. I did buy my season tickets as usual but I will be staying away in protest till we actually start playing some rugby and not doing a tackling session

  • Comment 30, posted at 21.04.16 14:35:15 by Poisy Reply
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  • We can explain this as many times as we want – some people want to understand, others absolutely won’t see any reason whatsoever.

    Be that as it may, the Sharks will continue along this path, whether we like it or not.

    Choices are simple, back the Sharks, or continue complaining week after week after week….

  • Comment 31, posted at 21.04.16 14:49:54 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • You make a good point, Rob. It is disappointing after the Stormers game when the pack was very good. Our tight 5 should be competitive. We should forget the French friendlies. They weren’t against full teams and there was nothing riding on them.

  • Comment 32, posted at 21.04.16 14:54:07 by MikeSebMatt Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 29) : you have made up your mind and it’s not really worth my time arguing with you about this.

    I will restate my point and then let you carry on.

    You cannot play attacking, ball-in-hand rugby if your forwards are getting dominated. In fact, it’s very difficult indeed to play any form of winning rugby if you’re not winning the up front battle. That is what’s happening to the Sharks right now. Stop getting so worked up about what the coach is saying and what you think he might mean and rather use your eyes and your brain.

  • Comment 33, posted at 21.04.16 14:54:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 33) : Time for you to revert to my point in comment 12 Rob :)

  • Comment 34, posted at 21.04.16 15:00:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 33) : Agreed 100%. You need a decent set piece (does not have to dominate, but your own ball must be safe) to play any type of rugby. Some clever Kiwi and especially Aussie teams find ways to make up for a poor set piece (e.g. by very quickly hooking the ball, lineout throws to the props).

    Conceding one scrum penalty after the other, and missing your jumpers five times in a game, just does not allow you to maintain possession to do something with.

  • Comment 35, posted at 21.04.16 15:09:51 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @stevovo (Comment 7) : That’s how I see it. The times we played well under Plum it was clear that the guy had a particular mentality a mentality formed by the game plan which is being coached on the training field and implemented during the game. Let’s give Gary the benefit of doubt and say he is training the guys to run with the ball but the guys during the game find themselves pinned in their half. Who then is responsible for equipping them with the options of how to get out of such tricky situations? If every guy is kicking the ball when we are in our half and the coach has on a number of times said we play in the right areas…surely one can conclude that Gold wants ball in hand only when we are not in our half. In the good old days we knew how to look after the ball from anywhere on the field and for long periods. Look how the Lions play….it’s a totally different philosophy. You can see those guys are attack minded and respect possession. With us you can see the mentality is to defend and that we respect territory more. That talks to strategy which is given by the head coach. And trained by assistants.

  • Comment 36, posted at 21.04.16 15:10:03 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 33) : You are stating the obvious now aren’t you. Refer to comment 36. Now use your brain and explain to me what type of rugby philosophy is a team that from receiving a ball from a kick off, the very first minute of the game kicks it back to the opposition. If you can answer me that I’ll be sorted. Simple. Gold’s game plan on the field does not talk to respecting possession above all else.

  • Comment 37, posted at 21.04.16 15:17:19 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Would be interesting to compare the lineups of those coached by Plumtree in the 2010 CC which people rave about compared to the team Gold played vs the Blues for example…

  • Comment 38, posted at 21.04.16 15:17:37 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 38) : i found the 2010 CC Final team:
    15. Louis Ludik, 14. Odwa Ndungane, 13. Stefan Terblanche (captain), 12. Andries Strauss, 11. Lwazi Mvovo, 10. Patrick Lambie, 9. Charl McLeod, 8. Ryan Kankowski, 7. Willem Alberts, 6. Keegan Daniel, 5. Alistair Hargreaves, 4. Steven Sykes, 3. Jannie du Plessis, 2. Bismarck du Plessis, 1. Tendai Mtawarira

    Replacements: 16. Craig Burden, 17. Eugene van Staden, 18. Anton Bresler, 19. Jacques Botes, 20. Rory Kockott, 21. Andre Pretorius, 22. Riaan Swanepoel

  • Comment 39, posted at 21.04.16 15:20:16 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 39) : mmmm..ok?

  • Comment 40, posted at 21.04.16 15:22:57 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 39) : I really have been trying to bite my lip everytime you say something dude, but the way you embrace mediocrity makes me scared for the future of this fucking planet. If the coach has no effect on a team why do we have coaches? You know what. nevermind

  • Comment 41, posted at 21.04.16 15:27:01 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 38) : Careful, you don’t dig yourself into whole here. Are you implying Plum did not coach our boys in 2012 to SR final playing a ball in hand approach? That game required defences to be manipulated from anywhere on the field. The rugby philosophy was possession and you could see that on the field. What philosophy do you see now?

  • Comment 42, posted at 21.04.16 15:29:20 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 41) : Refer to my comment 12….

  • Comment 43, posted at 21.04.16 15:29:44 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 41) : Thank you.

  • Comment 44, posted at 21.04.16 15:30:40 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 42) : That team list was trying to show that Plum and Gold are not coaching the same players…that is all. Again refer to my comment 12.

  • Comment 45, posted at 21.04.16 15:31:13 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 45) : For your own sanity, ignore the blinkered ones….they’ll take Putt over Gold becuase of their perceptions.

    They can not differentiate between Plum taking over a very established Sharks team, vs Gold taking a Sharks team that’s rebuilding both on and off the field.

    They will bleat on about how rubbish Gold is, until Gold starts getting results, and then they’ll act like the most passionate Sharks supporters on this planet.

  • Comment 46, posted at 21.04.16 15:36:55 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 46) : Indeed you are correct…just seems to make my comment 12 even more true…

  • Comment 47, posted at 21.04.16 15:40:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 45) : My initial comment was on what Gold has been saying versus what we are seeing on the field. To the media he is talking possession yet we are seeing territory being prioritised. I went further to say if players are finding themselves in tricky situations Gold is responsible for equipping them accordingly. I went further and asked Rob to explain what do you call a situation where from the very first kickoff of the game you kick the ball back to the Blues allowing them possession in exchange for territory. Having the right or wrong players is not the debate. To digress from my point, if we are serious of dominating the opposition, do we not stand a better chance of that by having a Deysel and a Chilliboy in the starting pack?

  • Comment 48, posted at 21.04.16 15:44:24 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 47) : Aah….too true – it does however get very old to hear the same people rehash the same complaint about the coach week in and week out.

    We get it, they don’t like the coach, they don’t like the way the Sharks play, they don’t like watching the Sharks play, and the only joy they get out of a Sharks game, is waxing on about how rubbish Gary Gold is…they are tye Sharks anti-supporters.

  • Comment 49, posted at 21.04.16 15:49:27 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 11) : Absolutely, but most is, not the other way round.

  • Comment 50, posted at 21.04.16 15:51:36 by stevovo Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 48) : Question: if the Sharks are kicking everything then why are are handling errors one of the highest? The preseason games, Kings and Jaguares game and even Stormers echoed Gold’s words that they would like to keep the ball in hand more but also realise that they need to do so in the right areas. Deysel has bulk yes but he has been injured, he has also not coming off the best 2015 form. Chilliboy hasnt played in 2yrs..who knows what he can offer. This blinded notion that the Sharks kick absolutely everything is rubbish. The Sharks have kicked a bit in 1 game this year vs the Crusaders. The rest of the games they have kicked when needed to…all teams kick the ball. You do also realise that players dont do every single thing a coach tells them? And a coach doesnt give them step by step, play by play instructions.So yes the Sharks have struggled of late…but whilst you having a go at the coach how about having a look at those guys actually wearing the jersey…and trust me both the coach and players are not happy with how they are playing currently

  • Comment 51, posted at 21.04.16 15:52:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 49) : Hmm Sharks Anti-Supporters….you could be onto something…maybe should approach the Shark Cage about a clothing line…

  • Comment 52, posted at 21.04.16 15:54:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 46) : Were you not a passionate Sharks supporter when campaigning for Plums downfall, let me guess – the more they lost the better for you.

  • Comment 53, posted at 21.04.16 16:04:45 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 51) : Need to be open minded at times…when I say everything it’s out of frustration from seeing every ball in our half being kicked away. Obviously they run the ball outside our half. I’m against that predictable rugby mentality. Every analyst is talking about this Sharks way of playing expect a few of the Gold die hard fans. The very same fans are saying it’s the players fault….they don’t listen to Gold. I ask you who picks the team? Who then should take action against players that don’t listen? If Gold isn’t taking action, are we not to then conclude that he approves of these tactics and mistakes etc…what happened to Mnisi and Faf ater the mare against the Crusaders? The coach took action. Cheers. I’m done.

  • Comment 54, posted at 21.04.16 16:05:22 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Get a load of this guy…” if the Sharks are kicking everything then why are are handling errors one of the highest?” Now he’s proud of the handling errors! ‘If I’m an alcoholic then why am I always goofed on zol? Huh? Huh?

  • Comment 55, posted at 21.04.16 16:05:48 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • For what its worth, I support Gold as DOR but I want Robert du Preez to call the coaching shots. Now if Plum would come back as coach, DOR, CEO…. :cool: .

  • Comment 56, posted at 21.04.16 16:08:16 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • I couldn’t have stolen your car I was in Joburg stealing another car

  • Comment 57, posted at 21.04.16 16:09:02 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 31) : @GreatSharksays (Comment 36) : Agree 100%. The Lions are a good example you can see that they have not been told to kick away everything in their half of the field, they will play the situation, and if their is a need to clear the ball and get territory they will do that, but if their is an opportunity to run the ball up, or carry it up, they will rather do that as they have a mindset of looking after possession.

  • Comment 58, posted at 21.04.16 16:11:53 by stevovo Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 54) : Exactly…you are done with any reason other than blame Gold. He is the reason players make mistakes. He is useless, we should get rid of him then our players will be superstars and we will love them. They will run the ball and have majestic offloads in their 22 and score 90m tries at will. If only Gold will stop ruining this team to spite all Sharks supporters. Ps. You know Rob DuPreez is the attack coach right? Again my question: if the Sharks kick everything why do we have so many handling error stats? Do i wish the Sharks players produced better- hell yes. Do i think Gold has made errors- hell yes. Do i think he has improved since 2015- hell yes. Will i blame only the coach for everything including the way Sharkie looks on match day- hell no

  • Comment 59, posted at 21.04.16 16:12:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 55) : Making fun of a question because you didnt understand it doesnt show that you are smart….

  • Comment 60, posted at 21.04.16 16:13:17 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 51) : Look, kicking away good attacking possession and just kicking away possession is two of the same, the one just worst than the other. Outcome based kicking is the key, That’s where Dan Carter is such a master. Joe has been awful in that department for some time now, that said I cannot really blame him, he is not a international no10, however that doesn’t mean the Sharks have to drop their standards and play mediocre rugby. thats where I blame Gold. He is the one pushing the buttons, so he needs to be accounted for whats happening, a player doesnt choose himself week in and week out.

  • Comment 61, posted at 21.04.16 16:19:01 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 60) : ooh getting personal are we? Good on you boy! Finally acting like a man.

  • Comment 62, posted at 21.04.16 16:21:00 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 61) : Fair enough to think Gold should have gone with April over Pieterson. But remember it was Pieterson’s goal kicking that kept us in games and got us over the line. So im sure that weighed on his thinking…especially because of the turnovers on our ball and the handling errors. Pieterson is definitely not a great 10…he is much better at 15. Im sure gold would much prefer his no.1 flyhalf Lambie…but he is injured. Inny Radebe has also been injured and is injured again. Gold has pretty much picked his best available players every week…the fact that they are making mistakes on game day is something they need to individually fix-they are still the best players.

  • Comment 63, posted at 21.04.16 16:24:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 62) : Check your comment 55 , very mature of you that. Back to my question which was very valid….you believe the sharks kick everything…but if our handling errors are so high it means we are carrying the ball as kicking it doesnt count as a handling error. Also check my question again- i dont see me mention how proud i am of those errors.

  • Comment 64, posted at 21.04.16 16:28:00 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 63) : wait im confused again. I thought Plum had the best players?

  • Comment 65, posted at 21.04.16 16:28:01 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 59) : Unbelievable. I forget you drive your point at all costs and I mean at all costs. Everyone knows we are rebuilding. I actually didn’t expect us to finish in the top 4 this year. Do you read other sites besides Sharksworld? Well for the past 4 weeks Gold has on News24 preached more ball in hand. Come weekend the very first ball we get is kicked back to the opposition. I therefore ask myself, with fans not expecting to win SR why is he making these statements and not backing them up since there was no expectation. Don’t those statements make him sound like a second hand car salesman??? Why not simply say we are on a journey, we are in full control of phase 1. We will continue to build from that in our efforts to become a well rounded team. I’m against what he says on Thursday and does on Saturday and him not taking action against players that don’t listen to him….if there are those players. Hope you take a deep breath before answering.

  • Comment 66, posted at 21.04.16 16:28:14 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 65) : You clearly just read what you want to…..

  • Comment 67, posted at 21.04.16 16:28:49 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 66) : Has Gold not said we need to try keep the ball in hand more but we also need to do so in the right areas? I cant remember reading him say we need to keep ball in hand everywhere on the field. Can you appreciate that sometimes we do have to kick the ball and there are times when the players thinks kicking it in an area will gain him an advantage?

  • Comment 68, posted at 21.04.16 16:31:49 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 68) : yes. How do we get to those right areas? What do we do when the opposition pins us in our half? Deep breath then answer?

  • Comment 69, posted at 21.04.16 16:33:28 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 64) : yes I got that Sheldon. We all did. Its just a mind numbingly retarded thing to say. Like saying “screw you im not an alcoholic, im a druggie. Do you understand? It is all bad.

  • Comment 70, posted at 21.04.16 16:33:42 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 62) : not necessary to be unpleasant

  • Comment 71, posted at 21.04.16 16:52:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 53) : How many years did we give Plum?

    I’ll start campaigning for Gold’s head once we’ve gone 5 years without a SR trophy…..

    ….lest we forget, this is Gold’s first proper full season (including preseason) of SR.

    So by 2021 I’ll start my anti-Gold campaign….

  • Comment 72, posted at 21.04.16 17:00:23 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Play certain rugby in certain areas vs play situational rugby?is this the debate/question?I’m for coaching situational rugby(is that even a correct term :D )and playing situational rugby.with emphasis on the reward for attacking rugby?without the criticism if it does not always work out?

  • Comment 73, posted at 21.04.16 17:25:05 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 73) : That’s my debate. Cause it means you are predictable, easy to plan for and makes us vulnerable. What happens then when we get pinned in our half for long periods and get the ball back? We kick the ball back, which means we give position back therefore encouraging the opposition to attack again and again knowing their mistakes in our half won’t be punished. Play the situation regardless of where we are. Gold’s rugby is territory based.

  • Comment 74, posted at 21.04.16 17:39:42 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 74) : A whole lot harder to teach players to play the situation – especially with fans calling for the coach’s head every time the players make mistakes.

  • Comment 75, posted at 21.04.16 18:33:20 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : problem is 90% of those games was played at the other side of the scrum!

  • Comment 76, posted at 21.04.16 18:41:12 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 71) : some good points made Rob but I really think the forwards are under performing. I personally believe they’re a very good unit and should perform better!

  • Comment 77, posted at 21.04.16 18:46:02 by JD Reply
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  • Really admire Rob and the few sane commentators left on this site.

    I can’t be bothered to reason with the gibbering rabble anymore.

    Let it go Sheldon – the rugby cattle won’t listen to superior logic.

  • Comment 78, posted at 21.04.16 20:07:42 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 78) : What makes you or anyone superior to anyone else? Because people don’t want to agree with your statements. Find it childish that everyone is so hell bent on being right. Some are happy with the coach some are not. I see the logic in both camps on this debate. Must make me a total idiot then…..

  • Comment 79, posted at 21.04.16 20:15:09 by YamYam Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 78) : @YamYam (Comment 79) : YamYam must agree with BigFish that there are some people on the site that seems to only be interested in starting arguments rather than constructive debate so I have also started to ignore them rather than be dragged into their games!

  • Comment 80, posted at 21.04.16 20:31:13 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 80) : I agree with you. And I think we should all be quick to listen and slow to respond(out of one of my favourite books).

  • Comment 81, posted at 21.04.16 20:35:54 by YamYam Reply
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  • @YamYam (Comment 81) : ja if only all would do it!

  • Comment 82, posted at 21.04.16 20:47:21 by JD Reply
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  • Gary Gold is to blame for making wrong selections and not managing the players correctly. He is however not to blame for obstinate players not following instruction on the field. Have a look at the video feed of the coach box when we repeat the mistakes he commented about. He is obviously not happy about kicking posession away all the time. Players have the Lions share of the blame for not taking instruction.

  • Comment 83, posted at 22.04.16 06:34:05 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Our two main issues this season have been forwards/set pieces and ball retention…and I think a bad psychological reaction to that missed kick against the Bulls! Do we have a head doctor yet?

  • Comment 84, posted at 22.04.16 06:52:38 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 84) : Oh, and I meant to say: Nice article, Rob…

  • Comment 85, posted at 22.04.16 06:53:46 by pastorshark Reply
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  • I have just read the rest of the thread…all I will say is, wow… :shock:

  • Comment 86, posted at 22.04.16 07:04:07 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @YamYam (Comment 79) :
    Clearly some people don’t enjoy the parliamentary debates as much as I do. The honourable member must have been sleeping.

  • Comment 87, posted at 22.04.16 08:00:39 by Big Fish Reply
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  • I must agree with those saying our forwards are the key to attack. They have been coming off second best in one on one contests lost a lot of ball in handling and rucks are just a loss. If they get the ball and by the time it reaches the pivot there is more desperation than anything else and good attack flies out the window. If we could secure quick clean ball frequently and cycle it then we may see nice plays like Jordaan cutting up the defense with his great stepping or the x factor of Willie or esterhuizen power. But we haven’t. We need to get some experience back in that forward pack while we grow the youngsters their intentions are good but their heads are not there yet. I really wish we could have jackpot back soon with Deysel and Lewies or Lewies and Oosthuizen up front Daniel and du Preez on flank and anchored by the ninja. Then just as insurance to get the ball back I would have Claasens be starting scrumhalf.

  • Comment 88, posted at 22.04.16 08:03:29 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 69) : Are you saying the Sharks should never kick the ball? When pinned in your half you need a good kick exit strategy..ask any top coach and they will tell you that. So we can kick long onto one of their backs that we believe is a poor decision maker…or we can kick high and then look to contest. However…a kick only becomes good because of the chase and defensive lines following that up…without a chase even the best kick is a poor one. Trying to run the ball from your own line is playing with fire though. If people think that the strategy of running the ball only the right areas is terrible then i have to doubt their rugby knowledge…just my opinion

  • Comment 89, posted at 22.04.16 08:28:17 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 83) : If any player is not playing to Golds game plan then Gold is even more guilty than those players for continuing to select them game after game.

  • Comment 90, posted at 22.04.16 08:44:20 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 72) : Why wait 5 years, you can start campaigning now because we aint winning this thing any time soon.
    That statement should ensure as at least one title in the next year or two.

  • Comment 91, posted at 22.04.16 08:48:13 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 74) : Look i get what you mean about being predictable…but sometimes you just need to clear your lines and chase hard and keep the opposition as far from your line as possibly. I think from around halfway the Sharks have looked to keep ball in hand more. In terms of predictability out the back i think we could mix it up between a box kick off 1st phase, clearing kick off 2nd phase ruck…kicking long or kicking high…but the chase has to be good. The other thing with always clearing quickly with a kick is that opposition start to realise that and start to back off on defense in anticipation of the kick…which then possibly allows space to run it a bit. But yeh running it in our half with our handling as poor as it currently is…very risky

  • Comment 92, posted at 22.04.16 08:56:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 91) : Do you really think if we dont win a title every 2 years we should change coach? Thats a very tough performance measure…one that very few coaches in the comp could attain…even Ackermann

  • Comment 93, posted at 22.04.16 08:59:13 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 88) : Some very valid points there…

  • Comment 94, posted at 22.04.16 09:06:26 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 88) : @pastorshark (Comment 94) : Agreed good points. If guys eventually get fit we can have a forward pack of Beast,Marias, Adriaanse, Botha,Lewies, DuPreez, Potgieter, Van Der Walt….thats some serious forward power…

  • Comment 95, posted at 22.04.16 09:21:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 93) : No ways do I think that, never. As far as Im concerned Plum went too early. Im not being facetious when I say we wont win this thing in the next 5 years, Im being realistic and that doesnt only count for the Sharks but for all SA teams.
    I would love to be wrong.

  • Comment 96, posted at 22.04.16 09:44:10 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 96) : Interesting. I felt Plum had done really well but seemed to be struggling for new ideas so needed some refreshment. Perhaps that could have been done in another way besides firing him. There are a lot of seriously good sides in the comp so i think if you work on a 4 year cycle then 1 or 2 semi finals i think would be a good return. Once in the semi anything is possible.

  • Comment 97, posted at 22.04.16 09:54:39 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 90) : So drop Willie and Joe for kicking away posession? I don’t think it’s that easy for Gary to just drop guys.

  • Comment 98, posted at 22.04.16 12:37:16 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 95) : but no fetcher? Sharks need to select a replacement for Marcell not just pick another blindside to replace him.

  • Comment 99, posted at 22.04.16 12:41:53 by JD Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 98) : especially if they’re kicking the ball on his instruction! Also who will replace them if he drops them?!?!

  • Comment 100, posted at 22.04.16 12:43:24 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 99) : Im not one of those fixated on a ‘specialist fetcher’ . Just my opinion.

  • Comment 101, posted at 22.04.16 12:50:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 101) : neither am I but you need a guy like Marcell or Deysel that puts pressure at breakdowns without being specialist fetchers so I would start with Deysel Du Preez and the Ginger Ninja.

  • Comment 102, posted at 22.04.16 13:01:07 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 102) : Van Der Walt slowed ball down well playing 6 against the Blues. Yes Deysel can do it too. Dupreez brothers are decent at it but will learn to be better. Eitienne Oosthuizen gives away too many penalties trying to do it. If our bigger guys play through the contact point instead of just to the ball it will also make life very difficult for opposition…but SA sides dont do that…they all play to the ball

  • Comment 103, posted at 22.04.16 13:23:22 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 103) : true Sharks needs to play through the contact point but until that happens think Sharks needs to play Deysel.

  • Comment 104, posted at 22.04.16 13:39:55 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 104) : I dont think Deysel can manage 80min so we either need a good replacement off the bench or have Deysel come on in 2nd half…

  • Comment 105, posted at 22.04.16 13:55:44 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 105) : think one of the twins can replace Deysel in the second half.

  • Comment 106, posted at 22.04.16 14:03:57 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 106) : Thats fair enough. Hopefully Potgieter back soon and he adds some serious mass

  • Comment 107, posted at 22.04.16 14:09:00 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 107) : I might be tempted to play Potgieter at 4 and let a combination of Deysel, Keegan, twins and Ginger Ninja play as loosies.

  • Comment 108, posted at 22.04.16 14:14:38 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 108) : I would do that too- although if both Potgieter and Botha are fit i think we should use them both.

  • Comment 109, posted at 22.04.16 14:19:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 109) : yes just hope both Potgieter and Botha will return soon.

  • Comment 110, posted at 22.04.16 14:22:20 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 104) : yes seems kiwi teams play past the tackle and try to dominate a radius of x meters around the ball .

  • Comment 111, posted at 22.04.16 15:34:36 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 111) : That tactic makes it very tough for opposition to get near their ball to slow it down and it forces players to run onto the ball as all players playing past contact point.

  • Comment 112, posted at 22.04.16 15:45:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 100) : Ja so old Gary has no real options especially in certain positions further loss of experience or only lower skilled players available makes it hard to be a strict disciplinarian. Lots of tradeoffs and compromises made if your sticks are limited or depleted.

  • Comment 113, posted at 22.04.16 15:48:06 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 111) : Yes very true. Even the way they are taught to keep pumping legs even in tackle all geared towards winning that extra half second for your support to catch up and secure. Seems a lot of our guys want to go down like a sack of potatoes as soon as they think they ate caught.

  • Comment 114, posted at 22.04.16 15:50:47 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 114) : couldnt agree more

  • Comment 115, posted at 22.04.16 15:53:55 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 113) : true that but hopefully some sticks will be added before to long! ;-D

  • Comment 116, posted at 22.04.16 16:57:11 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 116) : Maybe he should have invested in the stickmarket

  • Comment 117, posted at 22.04.16 18:17:34 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 117) : hahaha ja maybe ;-P

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