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Sharks eye potential Moses Mabhida move in 2017


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks on 22 Apr 2016 at 17:15
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The Sharks have issued a press release concerning a process of talks with the City of Durban, relating to a possible stadium move. The release is as follows:

Durban, 22nd April 2016: The Sharks are in discussions with the City of Durban to play matches at the Moses Mabhida Stadium from 2017, but as yet no agreement has been concluded.

John Smit, Chief Executive, said: “We enjoy an excellent relationship with officials from the eThekwini Municipality, and we are enthusiastic about their vision for the future of our city. We are excited about the prospects at Moses Mabhida Stadium, but have made it clear that any move would have to be in the best interests of The Sharks and its supporters. Before The Sharks board makes a final decision, we will conduct detailed consultations with important stakeholders like our sponsors, suiteholders and season ticket holders. This process will continue over the next few weeks.

“The city has given its full support to this position, and is looking forward to working with The Sharks in the future. We have been inspired by the eThekwini leadership’s commitment and professionalism, and are excited about the opportunities.”



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  • Tv picture from moses madiba is better. Never seem to look HD at Kings Park. So I would think its a good move

  • Comment 1, posted at 22.04.16 17:18:54 by ebenp Reply
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  • I’ve been to the Moses Mabida for three different events. I did not enjoy the stadium, as you are ver far away from the action. It’s beautiful to look at and that’s it. This will not make me happy. I’ve been a season ticket holder for 16 years… I would think at least twice before purchasing again for the new stadium.

  • Comment 2, posted at 22.04.16 17:19:31 by Letgo Reply
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  • Watch this space…

  • Comment 3, posted at 22.04.16 17:19:33 by pastorshark Reply
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  • I’ve always like the stadium…I’ve watched a few sport events there and wherever you sit you have a good view. You are further away from the action, though. And they will have to do something about suites, surely…

  • Comment 4, posted at 22.04.16 17:21:11 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Interesting times ahead.

  • Comment 5, posted at 22.04.16 17:43:01 by JD Reply
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  • I think it’s a terrible idea. Rugby is and always has been suited better to stadiums with steeper stands, like Twickenham. I watched the Boks play the Eagles at the Olympic Stadium in London and it just wasn’t nice. It would be a shame to see them move. Also simply because there is so much history at Kings Park. Moses Mabhida has no history, and while it is a reality that sport teams move stadiums all the time and things are bound to change, it doesn’t even make sense because the capacity of MM is LESS than KP!

  • Comment 6, posted at 22.04.16 18:12:48 by David12246 Reply

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  • You can’t even argue that Kings Park is badly kept, which I am not saying is untrue, but I was at Moses Mabhida a few months ago and it’s an absolute state! It’s fairly trashed in most ways.

  • Comment 7, posted at 22.04.16 18:18:24 by David12246 Reply

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  • @David12246 (Comment 6) : well it’s not as if they’re packing in full stadiums at the moment!!!

  • Comment 8, posted at 22.04.16 18:24:15 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 8) : True, but that is generally the reason that a team moves to a new stadium. I was just pointing out that there was no logical reason to move.

  • Comment 9, posted at 22.04.16 18:32:13 by David12246 Reply

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  • I love Moses. Worked well for the soccer games in 2010 when I was there. Think this could be very positive for the sharks and durban if they could figure out the logistics

  • Comment 10, posted at 22.04.16 19:25:19 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • @Dragnipur (Comment 10) : Soccer and rugby are entirely different to watch live. Rugby in such a shallow bowl-like stadium isn’t as nice, speaking from experience.

  • Comment 11, posted at 22.04.16 20:36:20 by David12246 Reply

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  • @David12246 (Comment 11) : We should have moved over 5 years ago. World class stadium right across the road. The whole situation should have been handled better from the start but it’s pretty inevitable

  • Comment 12, posted at 22.04.16 20:38:39 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • Watching rugby with the width of a running track between me and the game? No thanks. That’s two season tickets that would not be renewed.

  • Comment 13, posted at 22.04.16 21:25:30 by Nostraseth Reply
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  • Has the good Doc Louw left the sharks. He was dead against the potential move

  • Comment 14, posted at 22.04.16 21:29:18 by durbsguy Reply

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  • John Smit is doing a very good job at strengthening the diplomatic ties with KZN – a move to o MB would certainly be a fresh change, far newer facilities which will be much easier to maintain than the decrepit KP.

    His move will happen sooner or later.

  • Comment 15, posted at 22.04.16 22:46:27 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @David12246 (Comment 9) : yes for sure it needs to be in the best interest of the Sharks to move. Interesting times ahead as opinions seems to be divided if the Sharks should stay at KP or move to MM.

  • Comment 16, posted at 22.04.16 23:29:11 by JD Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 15) : New facilities, sure. Have you seen them recently? Broken windows, etc.

  • Comment 17, posted at 23.04.16 00:34:02 by David12246 Reply

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  • @David12246 (Comment 17) : I’m certain that upkeep and maintenance will be taken care of once the Sharks sign the lease…..MB is in desperate need of regular income.

    Smit’s diplomacy toward the municipality would have come in handy when MB was in its planning phase.

    I got the feeling that Brian van Zyl did not care much for the city council.

  • Comment 18, posted at 23.04.16 07:27:25 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • No thanks.

  • Comment 19, posted at 23.04.16 07:55:09 by Ben Reply
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  • And what will happen to King’s Park if this move happens?

  • Comment 20, posted at 23.04.16 07:57:48 by Ben Reply
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  • @Dragnipur (Comment 12) : Why is it inevitable? None of the other teams have moved to the new football stadiums that were built in their cities.

  • Comment 21, posted at 23.04.16 08:01:06 by Ben Reply
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  • @David12246 (Comment 6) : I couldn’t agree more. The history is also my reason.

  • Comment 22, posted at 23.04.16 08:03:34 by Ben Reply
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  • @David12246 (Comment 6) : “it doesn’t even make sense because the capacity of MM is LESS than KP!”

    Are you sure about that? From what I’ve read Kings Park has a capacity of 55 000 and Moses Mabhida has a capacity of 85 000. Not that this is relevant because we never fill Kings Park anyway.

  • Comment 23, posted at 23.04.16 08:08:45 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 20) : ”They pulled down Paradise and put up a parking lot”
    Best news of the year,I am so sick of hearing these lame excuses being fed back about how bad the move would be.
    Mike Sutcliffe and BJ had a pissing contesting in 2010,and neither one won,the consequence we spent 6 years in a rotting sewer and one of the world’s most iconic stadiums stood empty.
    BJ and his cronies started all the negativity and most of the anti movers have never been to Moses
    @pastorshark (Comment 4) : I agree totally with what you said every time I have been there I have had a very good view a comfortable seat,easy access,clean toilets and been protected from the rain.None of which I get from my very expensive 15 year Gold season ticket seats.

  • Comment 24, posted at 23.04.16 08:54:15 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 24) : I’m surprised you feel that way. I thought you of all people would want them not to move because of the history at Kings Park.

  • Comment 25, posted at 23.04.16 09:02:43 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 25) : What history its a rotting stadium,shit they even tore down Wembley and rebuilt it,Landsdowne road also disappeared now those stadiums had history.
    The Kings park I first went to in the 1950′s bears absolutely no resemblance to the stadium today,as school kids we sat on the sidelines,there was only one stand.Subsequent architecture has been hap hazard,Its history is of a by gone amateur era ,as relevant as the history of the banana is to the team.

  • Comment 26, posted at 23.04.16 09:10:57 by The hound Reply
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  • I also read that the Sharks have a lease with Kings Park until 2056. Anyone know if this is true and how would they get out of the lease to move?

  • Comment 27, posted at 23.04.16 09:15:09 by Ben Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 26) : You make some very fair points.

  • Comment 28, posted at 23.04.16 09:15:37 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 28) : its a very good move could be the saving of the Sharks in the long run,I have been advocating it and the opening up of the inclusive fan base for a long time .
    To me it is the first step on a positive road to becoming a brand of the future for the actual people Natal,and not a brand of the diminishing colonial past.

  • Comment 29, posted at 23.04.16 09:24:29 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 26) : Agreed completely. This doe-eyed obsession with history prevents people from thinking rationally. I’m quite enjoying the irony of having a doddling old senior citizen pointing this out to the young ‘uns… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 30, posted at 23.04.16 09:29:25 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 24) : I’m impressed that our most-adult ;) member is up for the move – usually the more “established” Sharks supporters are dead set against all forms of change…….well done on your willingness to embrace change. :)

  • Comment 31, posted at 23.04.16 09:38:49 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 30) : Enough of the doodling old senior citizen shit ;-)

  • Comment 32, posted at 23.04.16 09:40:19 by The hound Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 31) : I remember very distinctly and from a more than a ringside seat the huge resistance from the blazers who ran the then N.R.U. to the adoption of the Sharks name and the logo .
    There were many that wanted us to go into the super rugby era as the Banana Boys and even more who were convinced that the dropping of the Wildebeest logo meant the certain end of rugby in the province.

  • Comment 33, posted at 23.04.16 09:46:17 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 33) : Just goes to show, change is coming, accept it or get run over resisting it.

    I’d love to watch the Sharks play at MB….updated facilities, proper big screens – everything up to international standard.

    Even the Pumas left their decrepit Witbank stadium, and even changed their base to the beautiful Nelspruit stadium.

    I’m sure Smit has the negotiation skills to make this a viable move.

  • Comment 34, posted at 23.04.16 09:55:36 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 29) : Will you then also be accepting that the Sharks will play in a colour other than black and white in the future? :)

  • Comment 35, posted at 23.04.16 10:00:59 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 35) : Are you smoking some of that thai stick over there :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

  • Comment 36, posted at 23.04.16 10:07:41 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 36) : What happened to ‘becoming a brand for the future’ ? :twisted: :)

  • Comment 37, posted at 23.04.16 10:12:05 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 35) : We already are. Red and white it’s called the Lions. ; )

  • Comment 38, posted at 23.04.16 10:13:11 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 38) : :mrgreen:

    Seriously, though. I would like to see a bright yellow jersey instead of the cherry red one.

  • Comment 39, posted at 23.04.16 10:16:15 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 23) : Moses Mabhida has a smaller capacity at the moment…but only just at 54000. It does have space for temporary seating (which could be made permanent) which brings seating up to just under 65000 (during the world cup it was 62000 and some change)…

  • Comment 40, posted at 23.04.16 10:20:55 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 39) : Bright yellow and black on the sides.

  • Comment 41, posted at 23.04.16 10:21:35 by Ben Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 40) : I have no idea why Google is saying it has a capacity of 85 000.

  • Comment 42, posted at 23.04.16 10:22:32 by Ben Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 40) : What is the current capacity of Kings Park?

  • Comment 43, posted at 23.04.16 10:23:55 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 39) : I actually like the cherry. It would look good cherry on black though.

  • Comment 44, posted at 23.04.16 12:12:55 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 44) : Mate, bright yellow with black on the sides. I really think it would look awesome. Look at the current jersey and try to picture it. ;)

  • Comment 45, posted at 23.04.16 13:13:43 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 43) : For SR and CC games MM would be kept at 54,000. Kings Park is 55,000. It’s not much of a difference, but my point was that it couldn’t be used as an argument to move.

  • Comment 46, posted at 23.04.16 14:11:56 by David12246 Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 45) : Yellow is always a bad idea.

  • Comment 47, posted at 23.04.16 14:12:31 by David12246 Reply

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  • To me, the biggest issue is the fact that there is a running track and often a bit more in some parts of the stadium between you and the action. That sucked at Olympic Park!

  • Comment 48, posted at 23.04.16 14:13:57 by David12246 Reply

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  • I don’t know why it matters that much to me. I don’t and will never again live in Durban, so… really I’m just being stubborn because I like Kings Park.

  • Comment 49, posted at 23.04.16 14:15:10 by David12246 Reply

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  • @David12246 (Comment 49) : Same here, I guess. :)

  • Comment 50, posted at 23.04.16 14:17:12 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 45) : Photo shop.

  • Comment 51, posted at 23.04.16 14:18:17 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 51) : I’ve never used it.

  • Comment 52, posted at 23.04.16 14:21:43 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 52) : I’ll do one and post it. And with the red and black.

  • Comment 53, posted at 23.04.16 14:50:17 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 52) : You the kinda guy who would wear a green All Blacks shirt,or maybe a cherry red one.

  • Comment 54, posted at 23.04.16 15:06:52 by The hound Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 54) : That would be great. Thanks!

  • Comment 55, posted at 23.04.16 15:17:23 by Ben Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 55) : Why would I wear an All Blacks jersey to start off with? :roll:

  • Comment 56, posted at 23.04.16 15:18:42 by Ben Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 55) : And I clearly said YELLOW, not red or green. I don’t like red and green. If I wear an All Blacks jersey it has to be yellow! :lol:

  • Comment 57, posted at 23.04.16 15:20:33 by Ben Reply
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  • As long as it’s not bulls camo or fuchsia pink I’m ok. Or kings crayon drawings.

  • Comment 58, posted at 23.04.16 15:28:59 by coolfusion Reply

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  • So here’s a question what happens to KP when these guys finally make up their mind? An extension of MM?

  • Comment 59, posted at 23.04.16 15:36:46 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 59) : I told you earlier the answer is in a song Called Yellow Taxi by Joni Mitchell,probably a bit before your time,”they pulled down Paradise and put up a parking lot”

  • Comment 60, posted at 23.04.16 16:04:01 by The hound Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 42) : Ja no…that is clearly a mistake…

  • Comment 61, posted at 23.04.16 16:04:08 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 43) : Somewhere between 55-56000…

  • Comment 62, posted at 23.04.16 16:06:47 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @David12246 (Comment 46) : That is not the argument at all though…the arguments I have seen and heard are:
    - upgraded facilities…
    - better access…
    - the city needs it…
    Of course there have also always been points against moving. I can only assume those will be addressed before we make a move. At this stage they have said nothing more than we will discuss it. Let’s wait and see what happens…

  • Comment 63, posted at 23.04.16 16:13:22 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @David12246 (Comment 49) : :grin:

  • Comment 64, posted at 23.04.16 16:14:43 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 59) : If we move over completely, I assume the only sensible choice will be to tear it down…

  • Comment 65, posted at 23.04.16 16:18:06 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 60) : That’s about what I was thinking…not only a sensible idea, nice song too…

  • Comment 66, posted at 23.04.16 16:19:10 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @David12246 (Comment 47) : I don’t think so. Brown and pink on the other hand is always a bad idea.

  • Comment 67, posted at 23.04.16 16:23:40 by Ben Reply
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  • I love our black and white, but I think it would be awesome to see the black kit accented with red. Then with the white kit, instead of keeping the red accents, change them to blue… maybe.

  • Comment 68, posted at 23.04.16 17:08:13 by David12246 Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 65) : Moving is bad enough, but to tear it down completely would be sad.

  • Comment 69, posted at 23.04.16 17:09:25 by David12246 Reply

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  • @David12246 (Comment 69) : Sad…but very sensible…I don’t think there would be any other viable choice…

  • Comment 70, posted at 23.04.16 17:11:21 by pastorshark Reply
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  • With regard to capacity, the stadium can be up to 80,000ish apparently, but I presume most of those extra seats would be place around the field where the running track is. Given that there’s no possible raking of such seating, it wouldn’t ever be used, at least not for sport.

  • Comment 71, posted at 23.04.16 17:11:42 by David12246 Reply

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  • @David12246 (Comment 72) : Maybe that’s where the 85 000 I read comes from. For music concerts and other such events.

  • Comment 72, posted at 23.04.16 17:20:52 by Ben Reply
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  • I agree that KP can do with an upgrade in certain areas, but to me the most important part of watching any sport event live at the stadium is how the game is viewed from my seat. I’ve been to every major Rugby stadium in SA and to me the positioning of seating at KP makes it better than others, although all the rugby stadiums in SA is still much, much closer to the action than we would be if we moved to MM. I’ve been going to the stadium and watched just about every game played there for years now and to me it would be difficult to renew my season ticket, because the few experiences I’ve had at MM, I had seats from which point I could not enjoy the games. Sitting behind the goals you are about 50m if not more away from the game and the seating is very low, so play on the other side of the field was almost impossible to follow from the first 20 rows or so. And even if you moved up… the higher you were in the stands the further you were away from play… most of us at the game found it difficult to stay connected to what was happening on the field… Everyone keeps talking about KP facilities. The only real upgrade I’d like to see is a proper big screen. The bathroom facilities are fine and has always been clean when I used it. Seats are kinda small, but although it’s a little uncomfortable at times, I like the compactness of KP. When the stadium gets packed for big games it just adds to the amazing atmosphere at the stadium. My biggest gripe about KP is that we lost our parking and braai culture because of the massive monstrosity built across the road. It’s a white elephant and the cool design feature of the arc stretching over the stadium giving it its majestic look, even gives the impression of a trunk… upgrade KP and build a parking lot in its place!!!

  • Comment 73, posted at 24.04.16 15:16:17 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 73) : Amen! I agree completely.

  • Comment 74, posted at 24.04.16 23:07:43 by David12246 Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 73) : You’re clearly not getting to sit in the part of King’s Park I get to sit in. Beautiful spot in terms of watching the rugby…but dirty, with broken chairs all over the place and frankly embarrassing toilet facilities. And on the other hand (Darren) my experiences at MM have been very pleasant (and I have sat behind the goals and had no issues).
    So I get that our experiences are different and that’s fine. Also, don’t get me wrong…King’s Park holds a very special place in my heart. You also have some very valid points. All I am saying is that I can certainly understand why the suits want to have a look at the options. And at this stage that is all that they are doing…looking at options…and discussing it with all stakeholders. That sounds like a very sensible approach to me. Let’s see what happens. There is still a lot of water to flow under this particular bridge…

  • Comment 75, posted at 25.04.16 07:12:20 by pastorshark Reply
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  • The move to Moses Mabhida makes a lot of sense…and its about time John Smit shows he is capable CEO in terms of good business decisions. Ive watched many games at Moses Mabhida and the view whilst different is very good. What is different is that there is ample leg room…especially for those of us that arent midgets. Yes MM can do with a little TLC but no wonder it needs it as it doesnt have a regular tenant since Amazulu got relegated. Kings Park needs a major structural overhaul that would require funding that the Union just doesnt have. Its also an indication that Growthpoint possibly arent in for a long term renew for stadium running costs which are ever increasing. The good relationship with the City is also vital in this economy…and those ties will only be strengthened by the move. So i say go for it..yes the suites will need to be divided up but a lot of them already go empty on match days at Kings park anyway. They should play a CC game or two there to give fans a taste..

  • Comment 76, posted at 25.04.16 08:20:20 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @David12246 (Comment 7) : Sure, I know a guy who works there, he told me this weekend that the place is falling apart.

  • Comment 77, posted at 25.04.16 08:39:11 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 76) : KP has just had some changes done to comply to all health and safety requirements.

  • Comment 78, posted at 25.04.16 08:40:50 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 75) : Plenty of seats at KP that’s not only filthy, but has a rubbish (read zero) view of the game.

    When you’re not a single ason ticket holder, you get to experience KP in all its glory – which is why I won’t be back to watch a live game again, until we move to MB.

  • Comment 79, posted at 25.04.16 08:42:55 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 78) : They had to or the Sharks wouldnt have been allowed to play any games there this year. But believe me its just patching over the problems to get the certificate. Remember also the Municipality want the move to happen so they will only make things tougher operational wise if the Sharks get stubborn about the move.

  • Comment 80, posted at 25.04.16 08:48:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 80) : I will never go to MM. There is no culture, no history, no nothing there. Place is falling apart, dodgy tenders deals happen there on a daily basis. Now tell me how this could be good for the Sharks?

  • Comment 81, posted at 25.04.16 08:50:39 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 81) : I guess you don’t use Eskom either, nor any of the roads – what with all the dodgy tenders happening around them.

  • Comment 82, posted at 25.04.16 09:02:59 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • It all depends on what is negotiated… But I do like SheldonK’s idea of putting a CC game or two there to give fans a taste. maybe the city could come to the park and allow season ticket holders and suite holders a “free” trial run one weekend and sell the remainder

    I mean for me the 1st biggie is the seating being so far from the pitch… and then the shallow bowl effect means that you could be further away still… this could cost a lot of season tickets holders to think twice about renewing.

    2ndly Most of the income from tickets probably come from suite sales so MB would have to at least match the opportunities which exist at KP (from what I can see MM has 120 suites and Business clubs… KP has almost that on the north and south stands alone)…

    3rdly (and important to other clubs) is KP stadium isn’t the only part of Kings Park there are the outer fields… something which cannot be offered at MB unless they are talking about stadium swap and the KP outer fields remain.

    4thly MB is more than just a sports stadium as they had to grow it to a kwasi-strip mall/public park/tourist attraction to keep it going… what does the city intend to do with that

    5thly as far as I understand KP is paid for with nothing owing do the city expect them to forfeit this status and lease from the city or are they planing to pay fair price fro KP and then allow the sharks to purchase the MM to do with as they want… because I imagine GrowthPoint stadium name sponsors wont be happy throwing money at the sharks if there name is nowhere to be seen.

  • Comment 83, posted at 25.04.16 09:03:30 by Warren Harvey Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 29) : Have to agree on your views of ditching the Colonial past. I think its time to change the name of the City, D’urban is very, very colonialistic. I do doubt though, that moving the venue of Sharks rugby games 30 metres away from the current venue will suddenly open the game up to an “inclusive” fan base as you think it will. I would say rather then move it to a stadium closer to the townships where the real numbers are. Ps the name Natal, like Durban, reeks of a colonial past and should be dropped,especially by those advocating the new dawn. :twisted: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 84, posted at 25.04.16 09:09:45 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 81) : Culture is what you make of the situation. I cant remember when last there was a passionate crowd at Kings Park getting behind their team…most of the crowd are too pre-occupied standing in line for drinks and food and worrying about their kids than giving any support to their team. And the stadium hasnt been packed in many a year…not even for a test match. So the culture and history is fully stored away in the display cabinets deep within the stadium- can easily move those across the road. If the crowd got behind its team every week and i saw a full stadium then id be fully behind the idea not to move…but thats not the case. @Warren Harvey (Comment 83) : The suite sizes at MM are much bigger than Kings Park so think they would halve those suite sizes or even in 3rds some of them. There is no reason the outer fields wouldnt remain…they would still be used for parking…the Union needs that parking revenue as both Collegians and Rovers get that revenue in lieu of a club grant from the Union. I think a big reason as to why these talks are resuming is because Growthpoint is perhaps pulling out of funding the stadium running costs which in this economy can only be rising sharply. The KP lease is with the municipality- so very easy to come to a mutually beneficial decision there.

  • Comment 85, posted at 25.04.16 09:21:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 31) : Established or not, wanting change for the sake of replacing it with mediocrity makes no sense at all, well to most people anyway..

  • Comment 86, posted at 25.04.16 09:28:29 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 85) : Tickets asking price is ridiculous, a Soccer game at MM cost R40, with a Sharks game there we looking at R250. Now how does one expect to draw crowds if you outprice yourself from the matches?

  • Comment 87, posted at 25.04.16 09:33:43 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 86) : I’m not sure moving to MB constitutes a change to mediocrity – then again, you’re probably back on the BvZ/Plum horse….mediocrity and success seems to be in the eye of the beholder. ;)

  • Comment 88, posted at 25.04.16 09:34:09 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 87) : I havnt seen anything regarding ticket prices…not sure how they can give that pricing now without any dealings conclued. Where did you get that info on tickets being R250?

  • Comment 89, posted at 25.04.16 09:42:58 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I’ve been thinking about this over the weekend and believe it to be a good move because of the following points:

    – Much better designed modern stadium. I’ve watched soccer games there and could always see whats going on, even from the cheap seats.
    – A lot easier to get into and out of, which makes it a lot more fun. Better designed around the stadium as well.
    – Let’s be honest, it looks awesome.
    – Durban is going to host the commonwealth games pretty soon, so they need to get the infrastructure in place for all the events. I’m sure they’ve got the area around the stadiums earmarked for development, be it by using KP in some way or demolishing it to build something else for the Games.
    – If the above happens, the sharks need a new home, so why not negotiate from a position of strength now in stead of weakness in the future?
    – I understand the Sharks has a long term lease on KP, but the lease is with the city who owns both stadiums, so a compromise will be reached on that point.
    – I don’t know what the suites are like in MM, but pretty sure they are more modern and possibly bigger than the ones at KP. So if the current suite holders doesn’t want the space, reletting should not be such a big problem.
    – With she sharks playing the CC qualifier games in the townships, they are actively promoting the brand in non-traditional markets. The markets are used to watch soccer at MM, so a move there could strengthen the brand as well which is always a good thing.

    So I’m glad they are looking into it and hopeful they get this going. Will definitely be good for the Sharks and for Durban.

  • Comment 90, posted at 25.04.16 09:55:16 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 76) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 79) : Filthy seats, filthy, broken toilets, bad seating, if the CEO cant kick asses to get those things sorted for match day then I dont know if I want him negotiating anything. Sorry, that is just plain slapgat.

  • Comment 91, posted at 25.04.16 10:16:35 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 91) : The whole stadium desperately needs an expensive refurb,but the chief shareholders SuperSport 49% are not prepared shell out the millions when there is a perfectly good world class stadium standing empty across the road its a no brainer

  • Comment 92, posted at 25.04.16 10:21:28 by The hound Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 88) : Not refering to the change of venue, as you would have seen I advocated a change to a township venue rather. As for the success we have been reaping over the last few years, well I see it happening at the Lions with the crowd that we got rid of.

  • Comment 93, posted at 25.04.16 10:21:46 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 92) : it always surprises me to hear or read such negative comments re: the sharks on ss when one considers they are a shareholder.

  • Comment 94, posted at 25.04.16 10:30:00 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 92) : Think you hit the nail on the head there. I also suspect that the Growthpoint sponsorship of stadium costs is coming to an end. It was only a 3yr deal if i remember correctly.

  • Comment 95, posted at 25.04.16 10:31:54 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 92) : I havent been to KP in a long time now so cant really comment, Personally I wouldnt mind if the Sharks moved across the road to MM but that would only be if the whole game watching experience is better. I get to Newlands quite often and have been to the Cpt stadium for a few events and I would love the WPRU to move across to the new stadium, so if its a similar situation I would not have any issues.

  • Comment 96, posted at 25.04.16 10:32:57 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 94) : The guys making the comments arent the ones that hold the shares remember

  • Comment 97, posted at 25.04.16 10:37:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 96) : Its exactly the same thing,funny I always thought that the best place to watch rugby from a seat point of view was Eliss Park till I went to an AB/Bok test at the Calabash stadium on the out skirts of Soweto no contest.

  • Comment 98, posted at 25.04.16 10:43:44 by The hound Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 91) : The filth has more to do with the decrepit state of the woefully-aged stadium, and not actual garbage laying around…it causes the perception of the joint being filthy.

    I see your point re: the Lions, but do not underestimate the amount of work put in by KdK, having basically kept the place afloat by begging and borrowing from his friends. He paved the way which enabled them to get our discarded management.

    Personally, I want SR titles, not play-offs, and not CC titles – but SR titles. The previous regime failed to deliver it, so we needed to do something different.

  • Comment 99, posted at 25.04.16 10:48:55 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 82) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 100, posted at 25.04.16 11:04:20 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Sooo…
    I see a lot of subjective statements, figures thrown around as if they are facts and very little objective thought about all this. I don’t know what the best move is simply because I don not have all the information. It seems to me as if no one else here has that information either. So why don’t we just take the press release for what it is – a simple statement that doesn’t say much other than that our suits are looking at this, considering all options and interacting with stakeholders in order to come to the best decision. As long as I don’t have all the information with which I can analyse and determine the best course of action, I am happy to let the guys whose job it is to do that…well…do that. I am very glad that they are at least looking at all the options instead of stubbornly not being prepared to look at any option. Let’s see what happens…

  • Comment 101, posted at 25.04.16 11:15:25 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Dragnipur (Comment 90) : You raise several very valid and good points…

  • Comment 102, posted at 25.04.16 11:16:07 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 101) : i still reckon the best way to see the viability of MM is to hold a game or two there before making a decision…

  • Comment 103, posted at 25.04.16 11:17:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 103) : Agreed…in fact, that seems to be what the statement is partially saying…”games to be played there” not “Sharks to move there.” I get the impression that they are looking at options, consulting all stakeholder and that a first step would be to play some games there next year. Let’s see…

  • Comment 104, posted at 25.04.16 11:33:56 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 103) : And I would go to check it out when the chance is presented. That would help get a better feel for the practicalities that we are all talking about here…

  • Comment 105, posted at 25.04.16 11:34:50 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 105) : Yeh look i go to watch at Kings Park currently so id definitely go watch at Moses Mabhida as i have enjoyed the games i have watched there too. And if it means the possibility of turning KP into something similar of the High Performance institute they have in PTA and CPT then im definitely all for it.

  • Comment 106, posted at 25.04.16 11:46:51 by SheldonK Reply

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