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Sharks lose 8 and 9


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 25 Apr 2016 at 09:34
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Philip van der Walt and Cobus Reinach have both returned to Durban following tour-ending injuries against the Highlanders last Friday.

The Sharks have yet to confirm the nature of, or prognosis for, the injuries, but it’s expected that Reinach hurt his knee and van der Walt his neck. The scrumhalf left the field very early in dunedin, after a shoulder charge from ‘Landers flyhalf Lima Sopoaga saw him go down awkwardly. Van der Walt played another storming first half before taking a big hit and going off groggy early in the second period.

Stefan Ungerer comes over as a straight replacement for Reinach and looks likely to bench behind Michael Claassens against the Chiefs on Friday. The Sharks have opted not to replace van der Walt with another loose forward, but have instead sent for Giant Mtayanda to provide lock cover. With only three other locks in the touring squad, it’s clearly felt that a rest for one of them is in order this week.



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  • That Sopoaga shoulder charge was the first of at least 3 cardable offences they got away with. Any news on citings?

  • Comment 1, posted at 25.04.16 09:37:02 by Die Kriek Reply
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  • We need a captain, please send over a Captain!

  • Comment 2, posted at 25.04.16 09:41:04 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Die Kriek (Comment 1) : Emery, predictably, has been cited. Hearing this morning.

  • Comment 3, posted at 25.04.16 09:49:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • Hope the guys recover quickly! On the other hand though, this gives us a chance to rotate a bit.

    This give Claassens a chance to establish himself as first choice scrumhalf now. His service is a bit crisper than Reinach’s. If we could merge the two of them then we’d have our own Aaron Smith!

  • Comment 4, posted at 25.04.16 09:49:18 by ChrisS Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 2) : Keegan will captain this week

  • Comment 5, posted at 25.04.16 09:49:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • @ChrisS (Comment 4) : look, I like Mike and his service is pretty good, but man…. the oke just looks slow. Maybe it’s not fair to compare him to “DIT IS SPOED” Reinach, but still….

  • Comment 6, posted at 25.04.16 09:53:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 6) : Fair comment that. And i agree. He definitely adds value in his own way though. @robdylan (Comment 5) : Its about time Beast got a rest and we assessed how fit Thomas is.

  • Comment 7, posted at 25.04.16 09:59:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Guys, I know this is off topic, but how awesome has Ettas been this year in defending against the rolling maul?

  • Comment 8, posted at 25.04.16 10:14:06 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 7) : Mallett certainly trashed Beast’s captaincy on Saturday,but then he underpinned it with a dig at Gold ,saying that Beast attitude came as a direct result of the bad example set by the coach.
    Naas also pointed out that what Beast had said to the ref was tantamount to accusing him of being a cheat,and in that instance Beast was completely wrong.
    We need Pat Lambie back

  • Comment 9, posted at 25.04.16 10:14:49 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 7) : I’m pretty sure that scenario will play out this week

  • Comment 10, posted at 25.04.16 10:15:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) : think he needs and deserves a rest.

  • Comment 11, posted at 25.04.16 10:40:59 by JD Reply
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  • Losing Coetzee and now van der Walt. We have angered the rugby gods.

  • Comment 12, posted at 25.04.16 10:42:55 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 9) : Yeh Mallet had a full go at him hey. If Beast is just mimicking Gold then im afraid he is not a strong enough leader to captain. He needs to be able to lead irrespective of what the coach says to a TMO. I did have reservations about Beast as captain as he hadnt done it before, and it is showing now. He is reacting just like a young and inexperienced leader would do. Yes Lambie will definitely make a difference both in terms of leadership and directing play on the field.

  • Comment 13, posted at 25.04.16 10:47:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Die Kriek (Comment 1) : Definitely…tackles like that have to be carded…inconsistency again…

  • Comment 14, posted at 25.04.16 10:48:23 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 6) : Yeah, a combination of them would be good…

  • Comment 15, posted at 25.04.16 10:49:42 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 8) : Very, very good…

  • Comment 16, posted at 25.04.16 10:50:17 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : Citing commission will probably overturn his red, and put a yellow on his record. :roll:

  • Comment 17, posted at 25.04.16 10:52:00 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • What’s the latest news on Lambie? When can we expect him back in the fold?

  • Comment 18, posted at 25.04.16 10:52:16 by David12246 Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 13) : @The hound (Comment 9) : Oh come on. Firstly, Mallet is a tool. Secondly, Beast isn’t mimicking Gold; Beast was petulant before the Gold incident. Bar the first game where he was fine, Beast has not looked like a calm captain who manages players and referee well enough on the field. I agree all that is not on but the idea that he is mimicking Gold is a stretch. We need Pat Lambie back…but for now Keegan is more than fine!

  • Comment 19, posted at 25.04.16 10:54:28 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 12) : Ja no…ai! Though if van der Walt is just out for a week or two, then it’s not all bad…he gets ready for Canes/Jaguars and we give a trio of Keegan, Deysel and du Preez a run.

  • Comment 20, posted at 25.04.16 10:56:20 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 20) : That second half loose trio was a perfect blend of speed, power and guile….and I’d prefer Keegan as captain.

    Beast’s on-field diplomacy toward the ref leaves a lot to be desired – it’s smart to talk to the ref and get explanations regarding his calls, but it needs to be done with respect and not with the accusatory slant with which Beast has been doing it.

  • Comment 21, posted at 25.04.16 11:01:51 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 19) : Yeh look think i perhaps conveyed that wrong. I meant to say that if Beast i mimicking Gold as Mallet suggests then he definitely isnt a strong enough person to be a good leader. I dont think he is mimicking Gold, i just think he is an inexperienced leader and the team has gone through some tough and frustrating periods and his personal frustration is showing in his leadership.

  • Comment 22, posted at 25.04.16 11:03:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 19) : Just another thought i had last week after the game…do you perhaps feel that Beasts ‘anxious captaincy’ is leading t some of this anxious and error ridden play we seem from the players? We dont seem a calm and composed side. Im not blaming Beast for everything…just saying it could be 1 big factor

  • Comment 23, posted at 25.04.16 11:05:39 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 23) : I think that’s a stretch. These guys are suppose to be professionals I don’t think something like that would affect them. Beast seems to be calling it how he sees it, all of us here talk about how unfair some calls are and biased they seem and he’s just saying what everyone is seeing, granted he needs to do it in a different way but I like his style non of this PC bullshit

  • Comment 24, posted at 25.04.16 11:16:31 by Poisy Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 21) : Something that Keegan has always been good at!

  • Comment 25, posted at 25.04.16 11:17:45 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 22) : Yeah, no worries…I was having a go at Mallet, not you…

  • Comment 26, posted at 25.04.16 11:18:54 by pastorshark Reply
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  • I dislike Mallett more than I dislike Heineken Meyer, and thats well documented but he does have a point there is a culture of victimisation creeping into the Sharks and it comes from the coach.
    Naas pointed out that Beast’s outburst that all the ref was doing was trying to even up the numbers,when J.P was carded came directly after a collapsed scrum,Beast had his whole face in the turf at the time of the of the offence and could not possibly have seen what happened.
    Yet he felt entitled to call the ref a crook,this comes on the heels of the coach twice bursting into the T,MO ‘s box to abuse him while the game was being played.
    These are bad signs,I have also noticed Willie le Roux bad temperately admonishing guys on the field for simple mistakes
    This not good

  • Comment 27, posted at 25.04.16 11:23:20 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 23) : @Poisy (Comment 24) : Look, I said in a comment that that could definitely impact a side. I disagree with you Poisy. As a supporter sitting in my lounge I can have a shout at the TV or at the ref without impacting the ref or the side. However, a captain does not have that luxury. I agree that a captain should always stand his man and be prepared to question the ref. But that involves a lot of man management skills if you are going to do it in a way that is constructive. Very little positive can come of having an undisguised go at the ref. He is only human too and it is almost impossible that something like that would not affect his view of the captain, his side and how he blows them. Ref management should always include respectful interaction. I feel Beast is not getting that right. I also feel that was always a marked strength of Keegan Daniel. Build a rapport with the ref, question him, but be respectful. At the moment Beast is chirping, not getting a positive response and just getting more anxious and frustrated. That was clear in the last two games…and there is every chance that seeing the captain like that does affect the side. I really think management has to address this: let’s be disciplined!

  • Comment 28, posted at 25.04.16 11:24:20 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 26) : Yeh i know, just realised with your comment that i had expressed it a bit vaguely.

  • Comment 29, posted at 25.04.16 11:26:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 27) : I still don’t think that Beast is doing it because Gold did it…Beast was being petulant even before the Gold incident. However, I do agree that all of these incidents point to an underlying issue that is there regarding discipline/”victim mentality”/unhappiness/call it what you will. There is a general lack of discipline…Lewies arguing with the ref after his yellow card is another sign of that. I think that must be addressed by team and management. I think a calmer captain will help to address that…

  • Comment 30, posted at 25.04.16 11:29:08 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 28) : I think you have summed it up perfectly. By Beasts openly getting frustrated with the ref his players can see and hear that and his reaction and it most definitely affects them as then they too start to feel as though they are being cheated and and they annoyed with the ref and lose focus which leads to mistakes and more frustration. As i said the errors are not fully Beasts fault but his actions are a contributing factor. If you look at how a guy like Whitely or McCaw captains they certainly challenge the refs but they do it away from their team and definitely not where they can hear and see any frustration.

  • Comment 31, posted at 25.04.16 11:30:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 27) : All of this adds to my conviction that we need a head doctor in the setup as much as we need the rest of the specialist coaches!

  • Comment 32, posted at 25.04.16 11:30:13 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 32) : I thought that ref inner game was totally fair he had no hesitation in awarding the red card,and ref the game well,to openly cause him of being a cheat is bull shit.Compare him to the rabid one eyed bandit van der Merwe and the openly crooked biased way he blew the Stormers/Reds game,yet the Reds kept their composure .That is a foreign word at the Sharks

  • Comment 33, posted at 25.04.16 11:37:32 by The hound Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 28) : from what I have seen it does make the ref blow alil more fairly, he might not like it but being called on these refs bullshit helps make them more fair. They might not like beast but he gets his point across. I’m not saying everything he questioned the ref about was dodgy but a lot from what I have seen through the games played has been spot on and the minute he mentions it things improve, it might make people uncomfortable and some commentators wet themselvs but I’m honestly sick of refs getting away with everything, everybody on that field has to held responsible for they job and that includes the ref. All I’m hearing is that refs are human but people expect beast to be a robot. If the coach feels he is doing a bad job than hey demote him and put keegan man management expert we still won’t win shit

  • Comment 34, posted at 25.04.16 11:37:33 by Poisy Reply
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  • Beast has made a few bad decisions as captain – the JP outburst being particularly bad.

    However, he is a new captain at a particularly tough time – surely the guy can be granted some slack and not written off as a captain just yet?

  • Comment 35, posted at 25.04.16 11:39:12 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 35) : No definitely not written off. Just his actions/reactions are those of a young inexperienced leader. We just need to remember that.

  • Comment 36, posted at 25.04.16 11:44:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 36) : seriously Sheldon how can you regard Beast as young and inexperienced.

  • Comment 37, posted at 25.04.16 11:53:48 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 37) : Very inexperienced at leading….he’s never been groomed for it – Chili is a more experienced leader than Beast, because he was at times groomed for the leadership role.

  • Comment 38, posted at 25.04.16 12:05:28 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 37) : As a captain most definitely. I think this his first ever captaincy role. As a player he is definitely experienced. But an experienced player and experienced captain are very different things.

  • Comment 39, posted at 25.04.16 12:12:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 39) : I think you are born to be a a captain.
    Michael Hooper led Australia at 23,Graham Smith captained the Proteas in his early 20′s. Age has nothing do with it We haven’t had a decent captain since Gary.
    Patrick is the best we have got,Keegan doesn’t do it for me either he is too introverted.

  • Comment 40, posted at 25.04.16 12:19:34 by The hound Reply
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  • Marcel definitely had the makings of a captain

  • Comment 41, posted at 25.04.16 12:20:14 by The hound Reply
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  • Chili?

  • Comment 42, posted at 25.04.16 12:22:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 40) : Im not sure about the born to be part but good captains definitely have personal characteristics that aide them in being a good captain. However, those good characteristics alone wont make someone a good captain. They need to have had some experience at captaining a side (irrespective of the level) in order to know how to converse with a ref and manage their way through a game with all the decisions etc that need to be made as well as motivating players etc. So yes even young guys in terms of age can be good captains and their good and strong personal traits will help them but i can bet all those good young captains also had captaincy experience at either school or varsity or club etc prior to that role.

  • Comment 43, posted at 25.04.16 12:25:51 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 42) : He has done it for the Bulls, but I’d like to see Chiliboy become a Shark before he becomes Sharks captain (so not this season)

  • Comment 44, posted at 25.04.16 12:27:44 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 40) : you mentioned lewies last week I think.that could be a good call.

  • Comment 45, posted at 25.04.16 12:28:29 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 42) : I like the idea of him being captain, but my biggest worry is, will the guys on the field respect him after being banned for two years?

  • Comment 46, posted at 25.04.16 12:29:04 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 42) : Good idea, I do prefer Keegan though

  • Comment 47, posted at 25.04.16 12:31:00 by Tintin Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 22) : I also dont think he is mimicking Gold but GG’s tmo antics now make it difficult to sanction Beast for doing something similar.

  • Comment 48, posted at 25.04.16 12:31:21 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 48) : Id love to Know What Gold actually did. Not what people think he did or believed he did etc. News Reports only sell if they are sensational so id love to know what actually went down.

  • Comment 49, posted at 25.04.16 12:34:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 48) : To me the Sharks players are showing the same frustration they did last year ala Bissy/FS/JD. Something’s not right there, and only they know what it is.

  • Comment 50, posted at 25.04.16 12:35:44 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 41) : Marcel should have remained the captain (he took over from Pat in the warm-up games) even when he announced that he planned to leave at the end of the Super rugby season. Keegan should have taken over from him when he got injured – until Pat returned.

    I love Beast the player, but he doesn’t do it for me as captain. That outburst was not on. If there is one thing that really puts me off soccer (apart from the diving), it is the spectacle of players screaming at the the refs over every decision he makes.

  • Comment 51, posted at 25.04.16 12:39:21 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 43) :
    Spot on.

    Same points arise when people talk of leaders and even senior managers in corporates. Of course some people are born with more leadership affinity then others, but most people grow into it; and most who take to it early have had some exposure even earlier.

    Beast needs to be told that his behaviour was unacceptable and that he needs to lead by example. But he also should be given a chance to improve.

    That said, I’ve always rated Chilli and I think he will add great value.

  • Comment 52, posted at 25.04.16 13:18:05 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 52) : I think Chilli needs to first win over people with his performances and then win people’s respect for him before we even consider anything more. At the moment it seems that Beast is taking on everything himself and being an inexperienced leader he is finding it a bit tough. There doesnt appear to be form of leadership group that can assist him in decisions and getting players in line etc. I think the majority of the team need to look inward and assess how they are leading themselves on the field before they start to lay blame on others and the ref etc.

  • Comment 53, posted at 25.04.16 13:28:54 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Look if you are going to imply that the ref is a cheat to his face during the game (which as a captain you shouldnt) then you better have your facts right others you are just going to be looking like a fool. Im sure Beast has learnt from this.

  • Comment 54, posted at 25.04.16 13:30:23 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 54) : Im sure his wife gave him a bit of a tongue lashing after the game too ;)

  • Comment 55, posted at 25.04.16 13:32:49 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Jason Emery has been banned for 4 weeks!!!

  • Comment 56, posted at 25.04.16 13:40:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 43) : So what you saying is that Beast was appointed captain with absolutely no back ground or credentials to captaincy,pretty stupid decision then.

  • Comment 57, posted at 25.04.16 13:46:42 by The hound Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 56) : To be honest I was expecting less.

  • Comment 58, posted at 25.04.16 13:52:45 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 57) : I did raise that point when he was appointed and said its a bit of a bold and risky move but good luck to the guy. Lambie and Coetzee were announced as the cpt and vice at the start so when Lambie got injured it went to Coetzee and Claasens was named vice for that tour game. So Coetzee should have kept it and when he went down it should have gone to Claasens. Well thats what i would have done. Not sure what swayed it to Beast who since he started at the Sharks has never been included in the captaincy groupings. But perhaps he will learn and get better. It is easier to captain a winning team.

  • Comment 59, posted at 25.04.16 13:59:24 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 59) : Cant think of any winning teams captained by an inept captain,can think of a lot of mediocre teams led to victory by an outstanding captain.

  • Comment 60, posted at 25.04.16 14:08:55 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 60) : Its a good point that. Barring Lambie there doesnt seem to be many real leadership contenders in the sharks squad. (Ive excluded Coetzee as he is injured and well now gone).

  • Comment 61, posted at 25.04.16 14:14:30 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 61) : Lewies in time perhaps?

  • Comment 62, posted at 25.04.16 14:23:00 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 61) : Pieter Steph will one day captain the Boks he gets better everyday,the Stormers can’t see it and have made worse captain decisions than us,DeJong absolutely hopeless and now deAllende a disaster,its almost as if Fleck is convinced that only a centre can captain the team,after his last lame captain Jean de Villiers

  • Comment 63, posted at 25.04.16 14:25:41 by The hound Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 62) : Im really not convinced about that to be honest. I see why his name is possibly put forward but like Beast im not sure he has ever captained much? And then there is his recent injury troubles- think he needs to get over those and concentrate on just playing rugby games for now.

  • Comment 64, posted at 25.04.16 14:39:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 63) : Has PSDT captained anyone before? He is definitely getting better playing wise and does take on responsibility. I agree that DeAllende was a bit of a silly decision, really not sure why he went with that.

  • Comment 65, posted at 25.04.16 14:40:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 64) : Reason I immediately thought of him is he’s a ‘self-made man’ in a similar sense to Coetzee. He got into a senior SR side through hard work and determination. The qualities that get you that far might be useful in a captaincy role (again similar to Coetzee).

    But point taken. Best to focus on just playing after such a long injury lay-off.

  • Comment 66, posted at 25.04.16 15:03:45 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 66) : Interested in your ‘self-made man’ description. I must admit i dont know too much about Lewies schooling and path to the Sharks other than he was part of the u21s and got a look in during the CC if i remember rightly. he was a tall thin chap then but impressed with his speed around the park etc. Injuries seem to have curtailed that speed a bit. As you say hard work etc is definitely 1 good quality but i would expect that quality in all professionals. Does he have the man management and game management skills to captain a side…im not sure

  • Comment 67, posted at 25.04.16 15:07:43 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 67) : This is purely from memory but as I recall both Lewies and Coetzee didn’t come from any of the big rugby schools and never got a look in at Craven week. Both managed to find a way into the Sharks junior sides. I don’t recall either being given the opportunity to captain at junior level.

  • Comment 68, posted at 25.04.16 15:32:28 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 68) : I know Coetzee was at Port Natal…where was Lewies? I assume like Coetzee he joined the Sharks Academy and from there gained selection to the u21s where he was noticed. I remember guys talking about him when he was in the u21s and that his fitness and workrate on the field is what set him apart…i just wonder how much of an effect all those injuries have had on that. Coetzee seemed to do well with the captaincy but very tough to judge after such a short stint.

  • Comment 69, posted at 25.04.16 15:40:15 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 69) : Lewies was at Eldoraigne (in Centurion, Pretoria).

  • Comment 70, posted at 25.04.16 15:44:23 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 69) : My wife who matriculated at Eldoraigne just informed me that Lewies captained their first team for whatever that’s worth.

  • Comment 71, posted at 25.04.16 15:49:14 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 71) : Certainly not a big rugby school but they definitely are fairly decent. Captaining the 1st XV is a big test of a players leadership ability as its more than just the 80min on the field (well 70min for schoolboys). So he then does have some experience in that role. For me id like him to get fully fit and firing and playing good consistent rugby first.

  • Comment 72, posted at 25.04.16 15:51:24 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 72) : I reckon that’s reasonable.

  • Comment 73, posted at 25.04.16 15:59:42 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 56) : Had it been Dane Coles however…..

  • Comment 74, posted at 25.04.16 16:09:41 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 72) : Matriculated there in 2000 back then we beat affies, waterkloof, paul roos and grey twice in one year. We also had 6 players in the academy squad(which has disappeared recently) and 5 players in the bulls vraven week squad. The last 6 years been rated in the top 20 nationwide. So not huge but still respectable in my opinion, which might be biased as it’s my old school

  • Comment 75, posted at 25.04.16 16:11:33 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 33) : Yup…composure, discipline…important stuff…

  • Comment 76, posted at 25.04.16 16:15:51 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 34) : Well…hmm…nobody is asking Beast to be a robot…but a bit of composure and discipline and pointing things out with a bit of tact is what I would like to see…so let’s just agree to disagree…

  • Comment 77, posted at 25.04.16 16:17:57 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @jdolivier (Comment 75) : No thats definitetly not biased. Its not seen as a traditional big rugby school but definitely not a school to be taken lightly by any means. Usually have a pretty decent set of forwards.

  • Comment 78, posted at 25.04.16 16:18:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 35) : Fair enough…at the very least the matter should be addressed with him though…

  • Comment 79, posted at 25.04.16 16:19:20 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 78) : Meant it tongue in cheek bud. Thanks for the acknowledgement though.Historically had monster forwards and elusive wings. Midfield is still a headache. In matric I was 1.88m and 94kg and remember the Dave dup our coach back then asking me to bulk up seeing that I was too small for a fullback

  • Comment 80, posted at 25.04.16 16:23:46 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 60) : @SheldonK (Comment 61) : @vanmartin (Comment 62) : I do rate Keegan…

  • Comment 81, posted at 25.04.16 16:24:48 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 56) : Sacrificing a pawn for a queen? Sopoaga off Scott free.

  • Comment 82, posted at 26.04.16 06:06:10 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 81) : Yeh i did/do too.

  • Comment 83, posted at 26.04.16 08:03:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 80) : Yeh that brings me back to my point i raised on 1 of the articles that in SA we havnt adapted to the professional era correctly i feel. We seem to believe that the professional era requires people to produce the best athlete and then worry about making him the best rugby player. Wales have/are going through that same thinking as well…even England to an extent. If i look at the NZ model…when then professional age hit they decided to develop the rugby player first and then try their best to condition that rugby player into what is needed for a pro athlete, if that makes sense? And whether we like it or not schoolboy rugby in this country is probably a lot more ‘professional’ in terms of thinking/structures/facilities etc than some National tams…

  • Comment 84, posted at 26.04.16 08:07:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 84) : Totally in agreement with your statement. Look at AUS and NZ if you’re good enough, your old/big enough

  • Comment 85, posted at 26.04.16 08:31:44 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 85) : Will be interesting to see if NZ include a guy like Damian McKenzie for the All Blacks this year…he is the form player but there are a lot of quality guys he has to be preferred to.

  • Comment 86, posted at 26.04.16 08:53:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Here is my couple of rands worth – As much as I think Beast is a senior player,he is not captain material (too likeable & wanting to please everyone).We are missing the likes of Jacques Botes,Lambie or even Keegan as captain. Jean Deysel has been okay in the past as captain.Secondly,this jobs for buddies thing (GG buddies with John Smit) has literally come back to bite us in the butt.What did GG do when assistant to Dick Muir at Springboks???? :?: Thirdly,in my limited knowledge of the referee realm,is it just me or has the standard just gone down. Granted new refs have come in,but how are they trained (from a different rule book to the players)?I have become selective on which games to watch by looking at the match officials.I have noticed they have become a law unto themselves with overruling & opinions which make no sense (to me).Judge,jury & executioner. :shock: :|

  • Comment 87, posted at 26.04.16 11:00:28 by markm Reply

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  • @markm (Comment 87) : A couple rands arent worth too much anymore..please deposit some more ;)

  • Comment 88, posted at 26.04.16 11:07:41 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 86) : Hopefully he gets his chance. AB do play Aaron Cruden and he is a small guy

  • Comment 89, posted at 26.04.16 13:26:23 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 89) : The ABs do give some small guys a chance yes. The bigger question is do they pick form over established guys. McKenzie will have to be selected over guys like Ben Smith, Israel Dagg, even Cory Jane and Beaudon Barratt.

  • Comment 90, posted at 26.04.16 13:54:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 90) : Jane will cover wing I believe and Barret is their form flyhalf. So Mckenzie should be in for a run. Unfortunately for the boks every AB spot has 3 strong contenders

  • Comment 91, posted at 26.04.16 15:16:58 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 91) : I think AB flyhalf will be either Cruden or Sopoaga…Barrett too errati with his kicking but they like him at 15 as an alternate to Ben Smith. With Milner Skudder now out i suppose Cory Jane will be seen more as a wing.

  • Comment 92, posted at 26.04.16 15:27:36 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 84) : I like what you’re saying. It makes me think of Adriaanse and Heimar Williams both very good players who may lack a little on the physical side. Things that can be rectified with conditioning same will be true for Hyron if they conditioned him and get his bulk up a little he would be great as lean as he is he is already punching above his weight. ..literally.

  • Comment 93, posted at 27.04.16 11:26:05 by coolfusion Reply

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