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Pat’s back


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 3 May 2016 at 09:18
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A bit of good news to emerge over the long weekend is the confirmation that sharks captain Patrick Lambie is expected to be fit for selection against the Hurricanes on Saturday.

“It was extremely disappointing to yet again suffer injury early in the season but the rehab has been done and I am 100 percent ready to play,” Lambie told Mike Greenaway of the Mercury in an article published yesterday. “I have been taking contact for the last two weeks in training against the Currie Cup team and before that was doing everything but take contact. So I am in the starting blocks.”

It remains to be seen how Gary Gold opts to use Lambie this weekend (if at all). With Garth April something of a revelation in the starting flyhalf berth over the last fortnight, it’s unlikely that the regular captain will do much more than enjoy a few minutes off the bench against the high-flying Canes. He’ll likely have more to do against the Jaguares in Argentina next weekend, where the Sharks will need to lean heavily on fresh reinforcements after a gruelling tour to New Zealand.

A full injury report will be released later today and will hopefully confirm how far the likes of Ruan Botha, Francois Kleinhans and Jacques Potgieter are from selection.



91 Comments

  • Woohoo great news!

  • Comment 1, posted at 03.05.16 09:19:26 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • Great stuff!

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 2) : what browser? Looks ok to me

  • Comment 3, posted at 03.05.16 09:23:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • Good News indeed.

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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : Chrome, but it’s fine now. Don’t know what happened there. Did a few Ctrl + F5 refreshes without success and then a few minutes later it was fine. Perhaps it’s the CDN misbehaving?

    EDIT: Or more likely our corporate proxy.

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 5) : yes, could be I also just noticed a blip when I opened the site in IE. Seemed to take a couple of secs to get the CSS file.

  • Comment 6, posted at 03.05.16 09:28:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • Looking fwd to seeing these returning players playing….especially interested in Botha as PSDT seems to playing well injury free (dammit) in the Cape.

  • Comment 7, posted at 03.05.16 09:28:55 by Sharkfinn Reply

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  • Good news, hope Pat is really back.

  • Comment 8, posted at 03.05.16 09:33:05 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Sharkfinn (Comment 7) : Poor guy, had the man of the match award ripped right out of his innocent, lilly white paws at the last scrum of the game.

  • Comment 9, posted at 03.05.16 09:34:45 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • This could pose an interesting conundrum…does he go with Pat to start and captain or ease him off the bench and let the inform April start…or if he starts Pat then what does he do on the bench- April or Pieterson? So yeh nice to start getting guys back…just wonder how they are going to be used…dare we dream of them using both at 10 and 12…unlikely

  • Comment 10, posted at 03.05.16 09:55:57 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Methinks they will play Pat off the bench, Joe falling out. Maybe we will have them at 10 and 12 at some stage but I think that would be an njury enforced, but ya never knows.

  • Comment 11, posted at 03.05.16 10:03:47 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • April must start in May! Lambie off the bench.

  • Comment 12, posted at 03.05.16 10:46:08 by Bump Reply

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  • @Bump (Comment 12) : Agreed, start April, give Lambie 20 mins off the bench.

  • Comment 13, posted at 03.05.16 11:03:03 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Sharkfinn (Comment 7) : The Stormers game plan is less abrasive. Imo. Would like a stat to see the number of injuries and length of layoff of teams that have a confrontational game such as the Sharks and Bulls versus Stormers, Lions and Cheetahs. Our injuries seem to be long term. Has to be months and months versus the customary 2 to 4 week other teams seem to experience.

  • Comment 14, posted at 03.05.16 11:27:28 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 11) : Would have loved for Pat to move to 12 so as to sort out our distribution at 12. However, he has a Bok 10 jersey to fight for. Maybe give Garth a go at 12? We’d fall short on the aggression that Andre brings but the distribution would be a thing of beauty. What happened to the other Deysel fellow?

  • Comment 15, posted at 03.05.16 11:33:22 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 15) : I’d be willing to sacrifice the said “aggression” given that this aggression usually results in a know on or a killed move. Esterhuizen knocks on more than 20% of the balls he takes into contact. That’s appalling.

    I’d be happy to see Lambie at 12 but to be honest perhaps it’s just wiser to start him out on the bench this week. It’s almost certain that he’ll start in Buenos Aires anyway.

  • Comment 16, posted at 03.05.16 11:44:32 by Apollo Reply

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  • @Apollo (Comment 16) : Bench this week for sure. Was referring to going forward after this weekend. Our 9 issues are sorted. 10 looks good. Just to get that distribution at 12 now. You right, Andre kills so many moves at 12. We need a long term solution. Pat and Garth aren’t 12′s. Rob must get his son to the Sharks next year. We need serious options and depth at 12.

  • Comment 17, posted at 03.05.16 11:48:20 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Good to have the captain back but not this week. He should play for the CC side to get some match fitness first. April should start again with Joe as backup.

  • Comment 18, posted at 03.05.16 12:08:54 by sudhir Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 17) : Yes for Rob du Preez at centre for the Sharks. Im rooting for this Jean Luc du Plessis to have mom performances all season and cement his place as Stormers first choice 10 thus giving Rob du Preez an incentive to move on.

  • Comment 19, posted at 03.05.16 12:16:00 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 19) : The first time I saw JL Du Plessis playing, I was wondering what Lambie’s chunky little brother was doing playing for the Stormers. Then I realized he is actually the Prince of Wings’s offspring.

  • Comment 20, posted at 03.05.16 12:32:04 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 17) : The lack of distribution and deception at 12 is one of the main reasons why the Sharks backline doesnt fire.

  • Comment 21, posted at 03.05.16 12:32:21 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Great news!

    Surely would just get 20 of the bench. April seems at this point to play best when his leaders demonstrate their belief in him (not unusual for a youngster).

    While I rate Esterhuizen and am happy for him to keep maturing at 12 into the potential Bok I think he is, Pat as an alternative 12 would be a good option to keep things and players fresh going forward.

  • Comment 22, posted at 03.05.16 12:36:46 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 15) : @Apollo (Comment 16) : @SheldonK (Comment 21) : just pick Heimar at 12 and let April and Pat play 10.

  • Comment 23, posted at 03.05.16 12:41:48 by JD Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 20) : :lol: but apparently does not share the humble personality of Pat. He has done a lot of good so far.
    One wonders about the Stormers recruitment when one considers that both du Plessis and Pollard matriculated together and both of them chose to play their junior rugby elsewhere.

  • Comment 24, posted at 03.05.16 12:44:25 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 24) : money talks!?

  • Comment 25, posted at 03.05.16 12:54:06 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 23) : It appears if coaches arent a fan of Heimar Williams though

  • Comment 26, posted at 03.05.16 12:54:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 26) : ja for sure!!! I really hope he gets a chance to show what he can do (just like April) because he might just surprise the coach (just like April did).

  • Comment 27, posted at 03.05.16 13:09:16 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 23) : I agree,no need to start moving Pat around again,with Elton possibly injured,let Pat make that 10 jersey his own,SA rugby needs Pat to play 10!

  • Comment 28, posted at 03.05.16 13:15:37 by BarendL Reply
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  • @BarendL (Comment 28) : Personally id love to see Pat just play a few Sharks games in a row without getting injured. can worry about Boks after that…

  • Comment 29, posted at 03.05.16 13:23:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 19) : That Jean Luc du Plessis is the real deal hey.

  • Comment 30, posted at 03.05.16 13:26:09 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 23) : Heimar is a nice guy. A safe bet at 12 but doesn’t bring anything spectacular. Nothing sticks out…with Andre at least one can say he is a good defender and has a mean crash ball. Where is that Deysel fellow from Namibia?

  • Comment 31, posted at 03.05.16 13:30:52 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 31) : Deysel wasnt retained and sent back to Pukke/Leopards. I think its hard to fully judge Heimar as he has hardly played much. He is also a good tackler and much better distributor than Esterhuizen…but obviously isnt as big as him

  • Comment 32, posted at 03.05.16 13:55:48 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Everybody is going on about Andre Esterhuizen at 12. 12 is not a distribution position by default. Distribution happens at first receiver. Backline play is not 10 passes to 12, 12 passes to 13, 13 passes to wing, wing passes to 15. Off set pieces you do set moves. After that you run lines practiced according to gameplan. All this is (hopefully) geared towards creating space (overlap). Once that is done, then you draw and pass, which doesn’t take much distribution prowess. Distribution is very much gameplan based. If Andre receives the ball and he sees 3 guys next to him and 3 defenders across from him, why should he pass? There is a 90% chance that contact is going to be made. Id rather have him making contact and keep momentum going than somebody 15kg lighter and not getting over the gainline. If he passes, the contact point is 1 or 2 more channels away from the support. Andre’s role is to execute Willie and April’s role is to decide where to execute. Defensively he adds a lot.

  • Comment 33, posted at 03.05.16 14:01:03 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 29) : Me also,but personally I wouldn’t be moving him around,give him some time off the bench in his preferred position.

  • Comment 34, posted at 03.05.16 14:24:57 by BarendL Reply
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  • @Southern_Shark (Comment 33) : Im sorry but i fully disagree with you. What you are describing is a flank playing at 12. If he cannot distribute then the defense can arrow in on him to create a turnover (evidenced by how many handling errors he has in contact). Because he is always going to run the hard line is easy for defenses to read the ball behind him to our backline and therefore easily shut down our space. The best attacking sides in the world have a 12 that can distribute well. Sharks defend well because we have a flank at 12.

  • Comment 35, posted at 03.05.16 14:31:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 17) : Pat burst onto the scene in 2009 for the sharks playing 12 and started 2010 as a centre only moving to flyhalf when Monty Dumond got injured. The man has enough talent to play anywhere in the backline. Combining him and April will allow our wings and especially tollie to run into acres of space

  • Comment 36, posted at 03.05.16 14:34:29 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @BarendL (Comment 34) : Trust me Lambie isnt going to play anywhere but 10 for the Sharks. But yes i wouldnt mind seeing him eased into it.

  • Comment 37, posted at 03.05.16 14:34:39 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 36) : In fairness Lambie first showed his ability playing and captaining the Sharks u21s to a CC final win from fullback. He was then given game time as u say at 12 next to experienced 10s. And perhaps thats what needs to be done with April…

  • Comment 38, posted at 03.05.16 14:41:07 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 13) : Agreed. In fact this is what we should have done in the friendlies and the first two games as well. But yes the next game just give Lambie a run on not the stress of a full game.

  • Comment 39, posted at 03.05.16 14:54:00 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Lots if talk about Heimar playing 12. But there was just as much opinion against it saying he is way too light on the defense.

  • Comment 40, posted at 03.05.16 14:56:48 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 40) : Im interested why people think Heimar is weak on defense? Are there missed tackle stats for him or is it just because he is smaller than Esterhuizen?

  • Comment 41, posted at 03.05.16 15:16:58 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 38) : Agreed NZ did the same with Carter and Mauger.Lambie is one of the best tacklers in our squad so 12 is not an issue. April tries his best but is prone to non commitment when faced with a forward rushing down his channel. Our loosies help in the 10 channel, expecting them to assist there will disrupt our entire defensive pattern. With April in between Lambie and Claasens, he will have more confidence to give it a go, a la try against the chiefs. Your opinion?

  • Comment 42, posted at 03.05.16 15:19:29 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 42) : For me if a guy cant tackle at 10 then he cant tackle at 12 and vice versa and well he probably be playing at that level…at that level if people have to cover for others it means there are gaps to exploit where they should be covering. I think you have to pick your best combo so if thats Lambie/April and 10/12 or mixing it up then so be it…what those 2 next to each will do is keep defenses guessing…and the Sharks do have fire power out wide that we arent really using currently. I still feel that Lambie/Williams would be the best 1012 combo with April off the bench.

  • Comment 43, posted at 03.05.16 15:23:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 43) : Been complaining about not utilising Heimar and Deysel the entire season. The Andre experiment at wing was not bad at all last year maybe we should rather make him a Savea and give Heimar a solid run

  • Comment 44, posted at 03.05.16 15:41:42 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 44) : Deysel is no longer a Shark so next after Heimar would be Marius Louw i think. Andre has potential no doubt…but currently he is making handling errors and not providing deceptive distribution which makes the Sharks backline easy to defend. I believe he needs to drop a good 10kgs…at the moment he resembles a flank more than a centre.

  • Comment 45, posted at 03.05.16 15:48:50 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 45) : He seems to be a confidence player, he made less mistakes at wing, there was less pressure. Every decent game he plays, he tries more and looks more natural. Maybe drop him for a game down to cc let him run havoc there get the confidence back and see where it goes. I do remember reading that we have an alliance of sorts with pukke and the leopards in the likes of the lions with pumas. Would make sense to just loan Deysel back to us

  • Comment 46, posted at 03.05.16 15:56:45 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 46) : Getting anyone from the Leopards now would be very tricky because this CC Qualifying means everything to them even if means nothing to the Sharks. Andre is currently too slow and heavy for a wing. He can definitely be a good centre but he needs to vary his game and add some distribution etc…not just bash it up…maybe he needs a chat with Jan Serfontein about the pitfalls of becoming just a bashing centre. Having said all that i do believe it was at fullback that Andre made his name at school…

  • Comment 47, posted at 03.05.16 16:02:07 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 47) : Not a fan but Serfontein is playing amazing rugby currently, they bought Ronaldo Bothma maybe we should buy Serfontein. Temporary problem solved. Then Andre has years to learn from him

  • Comment 48, posted at 03.05.16 16:12:05 by jdolivier Reply

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  • @jdolivier (Comment 48) : Serfontein was a fantastic youngster that because of his bigger size was converted into just a bashing centre. He is slowly breaking those habbits now and i hope he does quicklyas he is a quality player the Boks could use.

  • Comment 49, posted at 03.05.16 16:16:58 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Southern_Shark (Comment 33) : wow…shocking. Do yourself a favour and research games Dick Muir played at 12. Hennie Le Roux when he moved to 12. If you want a backline that doesn’t die with the ball then your 12 plays a very important role. Nonu even evolved his game and become a good distributor. Fact is you cannot rely only on 10 for an effective distribution for 1 main reason. To give you options when setting up your 13, 11, 14 and 15 without being predictable, risking an intercept and not effectively using good ball. At 10, skip one is to 13 but at 12 a skip one can easily go to the wings or fullback joining the line. It’s in how you want to play. If you have the back 3 we have it’s almost criminal not to have a 12 that’s a good distributor of the ball.

  • Comment 50, posted at 03.05.16 16:22:46 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 50) : i think if you look at your comment (which i fully agree with) and see who the Sharks have at 12…i think we can start to realise what the problem is in the Sharks attack.

  • Comment 51, posted at 03.05.16 16:24:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 35) : Very well put.

  • Comment 52, posted at 03.05.16 16:26:53 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 50) : Yes because they were the playmakers. They came into the first receiver position to distribute. That is not his role in this Sharks setup, Willie does that job for us. He can pass, but passing for the sake of passing is stupid.

  • Comment 53, posted at 03.05.16 16:42:19 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 35) : Losing the ball in contact has nothing to do with turnovers on the ground. Hard runners are great weapons, either getting over the advantage line or used as dummy runners to create space outside them. I don’t understand how him running hard is going to shut down the space for the backline behind him? Nonu only passes when there is space outside to work with and so should Andre. We don’t create space though so its easy to pick at him. If somebody can teach him to offload he will be very effective in creating space.

  • Comment 54, posted at 03.05.16 16:54:57 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • I would have started Pat, but given how well April has performed I feel April deserves to start. We know Pat’s quality and at his best he should start, but I think it would only be fair to make him work for it, even if only a little bit.

  • Comment 55, posted at 03.05.16 16:58:30 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 55) : the way April performed I do think the coach can take a bit more time to get Pat up to Super rugby speed.

  • Comment 56, posted at 03.05.16 17:55:25 by JD Reply
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  • Personally I think we may need Pat against the canes. If the Canes flirt with the offside line and use rush def, like they did to the lions, we’re going to need that cool head and accurate boot of his.
    I don’t see us getting much forward dominance, or at least as we had against the Chiefs, so ball to the backs isn’t going to be pretty.

  • Comment 57, posted at 03.05.16 18:18:50 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 57) : main problem is how sharp is Pat after his injury? Would think GG will not take a chance on starting Pat as he seemes very conservative with selecting players.

  • Comment 58, posted at 03.05.16 18:56:35 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 58) : I guess it would come down to how Pat has been performing in practice. I do think Pat is the type who would have no problem taking up the reins from the get go. When in the Bok squad he was left out for long periods and when suddenly thrust into it he excelled.

  • Comment 59, posted at 03.05.16 19:51:43 by gregkaos Reply
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  • I’m curious to know what some guys have seen that convinces them that Heimar should start?

    He’s a decent player, but I don’t recall him really setting anything alight or looking like he would go on to higher honours. Or am I mistaken?

    The twins and Esterhuizen make plenty of mistakes and are very raw (understandably, given their inexperience). But these are precocious talents that may make far too many fundamental errors, but also do some things that only a small percentage of players can. That is worth the investment!

    When Muir laid the foundations of the great Sharks team of the mid-200′s, he purposefully turned to youth and potential instead of “good”, experienced players. And thus guys like Barritt, JP, Frans Steyn, Kanko, Deysel and Beast (at the time a flank/ 8th man) got their shot and took us to new heights.

    But they failed plenty too. JP and Frans were lazy, made too many mistakes and had bad attitudes. Beast couldn’t scrum in his first season and we were apparently stupid not to sign Heinke vd Merwe. And so on.

    Sometimes we need to play the long game and show patience to special talent. I think the twins and Esterhuizen fall into that category.

  • Comment 60, posted at 03.05.16 21:18:02 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Southern_Shark (Comment 54) : We want the Sharks to play more enterprising rugby yet we fully back playing a 12 that takes it into contact 98% of the time and then more often than not loses the ball in contact via a knock on or turnover. We think that and then complain about Golds coaching. Nonu was only a bashing player in his youth and quickly realised he needs to develop a distribution game if he wants to keep his jersey…his distribution game with a pass or kick is light years ahead of Esterhuizen. Esterhuizen can develop that in time…but he doesnt have it now, not at all. So if we happy for out backline to stutter while he learns then by all means let it carry on

  • Comment 61, posted at 04.05.16 08:01:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 60) : I am one that is pushing for Heimar to get a decent run as he never has barring the odd appearance here and there. So to judge him fully on those would be a bit unfair as if i judged Esterhuizen or the twins on 1 or 2 games they would be rated as pretty hocking considering the number of dropped balls. One of the main reasons the Sharks attack is pretty average is because we have no distribution from the 12…it therefore becomes very easy for opposition to read our attack. Im all for quality youngsters getting to learn…but they must also learn that making constant basic errors at this level is not acceptable. If we are happy to just let the guys learn then we really shouldnt moan every game about all the errors as thats what we should be expecting during the learning phase

  • Comment 62, posted at 04.05.16 08:05:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 62) :
    I agree on not moaning about the errors; that’s my point about backing the twins and Esterhuizen.

    From what I’ve seen, it’s pretty clear that Heimar is a solid player, but no more. And that is having watched him next to Pat.

    Errors aside, Esterhuizen has not been helped in playing next to Joe P (the real reason we could not get width in our game) and both he and April now need to settle in as a combination being very green.

    In addition, given April’s inexperience and diminutive stature, I’m pretty sure that Esterhuizen has been specifically tasked with offering him a crash ball option when he is caught too flat.

  • Comment 63, posted at 04.05.16 09:08:00 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 61) : Its not 98% of the time and I think you are only noticing it so much because he keeps on losing the ball in contact, which does not bode well for my “teach him to offload” plan.

  • Comment 64, posted at 04.05.16 09:45:16 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @Southern_Shark (Comment 64) : Yes obviously 98% is not a statistically accurate figure but it served a point. He does take into contact the majority of the time and then loses it also a majority of the time. He can most definitely develop a distribution game but currently he doesnt have that and its stifling the attack.

  • Comment 65, posted at 04.05.16 10:06:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 63) : Look you arent one of the moaners but i was just making a point about guys moaning about errors but then also wanting these talented youngsters to learn while playing. I still stand by the judgement of Heimar is pretty harsh based on his game time. Andre is bigger than Heimar but im still too see him do anything special…i have seen him drop plenty ball though and go missing on defense. He is being built up as this potential great talent but currently he definitely isnt that.

  • Comment 66, posted at 04.05.16 10:09:14 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 41) : I was punting Heimar but was faced with he is to light and weak in the tackle. I still made an argument that he could conceivably just bulk upper body a bit which would help with speed provided not too much bulk/ muscle

  • Comment 67, posted at 04.05.16 17:25:33 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 67) : Im not sure if you are aware that Heimar was one of the top guys in the strength and conditioning tests when at the Academy and as a junior…only chris cloete was better. So he may not have the same bulk as Andre but he is definitely not weak…and not small by any means.

  • Comment 68, posted at 05.05.16 07:54:08 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 66) :
    I’ve been wrong plenty times before, so maybe I’ve missed something with Heimar. But nothing has stood out in my recollection.

    I personally think that both Cloete and Heimar are being hyped up a bit. Cloete in particular has been a walking penalty whenever I’ve watched him.

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 69) : The thing ive seen about Heimar is his distribution is better than any 12 the Sharks have. And his defense really isnt weak- i actually remember when he got to play a few CC games a while ago that his defense was really good and actually won a few turnovers. It just seems that coaches are willing to give many others a chance over and over even after many mistakes but keep overlooking Heimar- im actually impressed he has stayed at the Sharks. Cloete has many god points but as you say he gives away a lot of penalties. I also am surprised he never got more of a look in at the Sharks..but unlike Heimar he decided to roam a bit to look for better opportunities. Same can be said of Tiaan Meyer

  • Comment 70, posted at 05.05.16 09:54:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 69) : @SheldonK (Comment 70) : From what I can recall, the occasions where Heimar has shone has always been in the Currie Cup; in his (limited) Super Rugby appearances he’s always been fairly anonymous. I like Heimar’s style of play, but I honestly don’t see him as a viable long-term option at this level. And unlike Big Fish, the only time I was ever wrong was that one time I thought I was wrong… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 71, posted at 05.05.16 10:07:54 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 71) : Look im not saying Heimar is the next Bok 12..but i cant really remember him ever playing much Super rugby…think there was the odd bench appearance and a couple times at wing even. Dont think he ever played 5 games in a row ever. Fact is the Sharks dont have a quality 12

  • Comment 72, posted at 05.05.16 10:16:16 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 71) : I’m not saying you were wrong but you weren’t right about my call that Lewies would get a Bok call-up in 2014 :twisted: :cool:

  • Comment 73, posted at 05.05.16 10:25:47 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 71) : @SheldonK (Comment 72) : think we might only know he good or bad Heimar is at his new union as I can’t see him staying at the Sharks once his current contract expire.

  • Comment 74, posted at 05.05.16 10:59:27 by JD Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 73) : Simple misunderstanding; I thought you said Lewies would make a Bok balls-up, not get a Bok call-up. Obviously I disagreed vehemently.

    You really need to learn to elocute more clearly.

  • Comment 75, posted at 05.05.16 11:03:47 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 74) : Think you could be right. But looking at the contracted guys…not many 12s around…if Esterhuizen breaks..then what?

  • Comment 76, posted at 05.05.16 11:10:21 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 75) : hahaha ja or blame it on computer glitch. ;-P

  • Comment 77, posted at 05.05.16 11:11:16 by JD Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 75) : Well that’s a relief. I have a suspicion the only thing keeping the apocalypse at bay is your infallibility. Tell me I’m wrong.

  • Comment 78, posted at 05.05.16 11:41:48 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Jeepers but you guys have got good memories, I cant even remember what Heimar looks like, never mind remember seeing him in any Super game.

  • Comment 79, posted at 05.05.16 11:56:20 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 79) : He is a shortish chap with dark hair…can usually be found hanging around the flyhalf…hails from the Free State region :)

  • Comment 80, posted at 05.05.16 12:01:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Ok, Ill keep an eye out for him… :lol:

  • Comment 81, posted at 05.05.16 12:10:27 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 80) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 81) : might shortly be back in the Free State region!?!?

  • Comment 82, posted at 05.05.16 12:18:46 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 82) : Him and Francois Venter could be quite the combo….

  • Comment 83, posted at 05.05.16 12:23:03 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 78) : I could tell you that you’re wrong, but then I’d be wrong, and then… let’s just say I don’t want to be held responsible for Quetzlcoatl, Cthulhu and Bel Shamharoth ripping through the fabric of the space-time continuum

  • Comment 84, posted at 05.05.16 12:26:07 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 84) : Had to google Cthulhu to find out who the heck he is. You have some interesting taste in literature.

  • Comment 85, posted at 05.05.16 12:33:05 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 85) : Somewhere out there, a Lovecraft fan has just read this comment and is now putting serious effort into plotting your demise.

  • Comment 86, posted at 05.05.16 13:11:46 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 86) : As long as this fan does not awaken this Cthulhu chap to exact his revenge on me. Seems like a very unsavory character.

  • Comment 87, posted at 05.05.16 13:33:35 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 87) : Now there’s an understatement :mrgreen:

  • Comment 88, posted at 05.05.16 13:48:16 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 83) : ja and if Fred can find form it could be a good back line.

  • Comment 89, posted at 05.05.16 14:55:06 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 89) : Poor old Ebersohn…i dont even see him in the CC side…

  • Comment 90, posted at 05.05.16 14:59:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 88) : @Bokhoring (Comment 87) : also had to Google cthulhu but now I’m thinking I might be working with him or his brother! ;-P

  • Comment 91, posted at 05.05.16 15:00:02 by JD Reply
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