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Beast is back!


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 5 May 2016 at 10:11
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The Sharks will face the Hurricanes on Saturday with Beast Mtawarira and Franco Marais back in the starting lineup. Gary Gold has retained the balance of the team that came so close against the Chiefs last week, aside from these two changes.

Mtawarira starts at loose head prop in place of Dale Chadwick, with the latter moving to the bench after a superb outing in New Plymouth. Beast will once again be captain, with Keegan Daniel relinquishing the armband this week. Marais comes in at hooker in a straight swap for Kyle Cooper, who also performed well in New Zealand and was particularly impressive at set piece time.

Lourens Adriaanse retains his position at tight head in a tight five that appears about the strongest scrummaging unit the Sharks could field. Coenie Oosthuizen enjoys a complete rest this week, with Thomas du Toit set to cover the right hand side of the scrum. The balance of the pack is unchanged.

Also unchanged is the backline, with Garth April enjoying a third start at flyhalf alongside Michael Claassens. Pat Lambie, named in the number 22 jersey, replaces Joe Pietersen and will loko to make a managed return to the game after 3 months out with injury.

Sharks: 15. Willie le Roux, 14. JP Pietersen, 13. Paul Jordaan, 12. Andre Esterhuizen, 11. Lwazi Mvovo, 10. Garth April, 9. Michael Claassens, 8. Daniel du Preez, 7. Jean-Luc du Preez, 6. Keegan Daniel, 5. Stephan Lewies, 4. Etienne Oosthuizen, 3. Lourens Adriaanse, 2. Franco Marais, 1. Beast Mtawarira (capt)
Replacements 16. Chiliboy Ralepelle, 17. Dale Chadwick, 18.Thomas du Toit, 19. Hyron Andrews, 20. Jean Deysel, 21. Stefan Ungerer, 22. Patrick Lambie, 23. Odwa Ndungane



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  • Comment 1, posted at 05.05.16 10:13:22 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • So Esterhuizen and Etienne Oosthuizen play again…hope their tired mistakes arent costly. Its pretty clear that the coaches dont rate any other 12 or 4 at the Union currently. Not sure what they are thinking regarding the hookers…hope they explaining it to them. Again on paper its a good side..but if those handling errors and silly penalties are repeated…well ya

  • Comment 2, posted at 05.05.16 10:20:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 2) : They also really need to take a chance on Sbu at some point. According to Benedict, other unions may be sniffing around.

  • Comment 3, posted at 05.05.16 10:28:35 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 3) : There a couple guys on the fringes that without game time soon will start looking around. Its all well and good having depth on your books, but not playing means you may not have them on your books next year.

  • Comment 4, posted at 05.05.16 10:36:47 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 3) : @SheldonK (Comment 4) : yes sad to say but a couple of others may also decide to go as they can’t even make the match 23. Would love to see the side that’s going to Argentina but think it should be the same as the touring squad!!

  • Comment 5, posted at 05.05.16 10:49:44 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 4) : It is clear the Sharks coaches follows a hierarchical rotation policy. Only if a player is injured (or require a mandatory rest) does the next player move up. Good for continuity in the short term but bad in bringing other players on the level i.t.o. playing style and systems.

  • Comment 6, posted at 05.05.16 10:51:29 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 4) : I know there are all sorts of concerns flying around on here but lack of rotation is the one decision I struggle to find proper justification for and I’m not even advocating for wholesale changes. As you pointed out, the huizens should have been given more of a rest by now.

  • Comment 7, posted at 05.05.16 10:55:45 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 3) : Yup, one of my main concerns is Sbura not getting game time.

  • Comment 8, posted at 05.05.16 10:56:50 by gregkaos Reply
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  • That’s GG for you. Same guys week in week out. Sbu should have started a number of games already. Don’t know why the likes of JPP and Odwa and even Jordaan get soooo many chances. If I was Sbu I would also bounce…Lions and Province are calling.

  • Comment 9, posted at 05.05.16 10:57:32 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 6) : @vanmartin (Comment 7) : For me if you rotate/rest one or two player per game you give others a chance to show what they can do without disrupting the whole team setup. Just look at how April grabbed his chance. It will also ensure that players are fresh and rested.

  • Comment 10, posted at 05.05.16 11:08:17 by JD Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 6) : Yeh they definitely seem to be strictly sticking by that policy. @vanmartin (Comment 7) : Yeh look widespread changes constantly is just foolish. But some guys have played basically every minute….and havnt exactly been shining lights. So what message does that send to guys just outside the group..we would rather play a tired guy making errors than you.

  • Comment 11, posted at 05.05.16 11:13:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 9) : I agree with you that he needs be played,any fool can see that he will go soon.But Lions and Province aren’t options there is no space for him there,the obvious position is the one occupied by Odwa.
    Odwa has been a great servant to Sharks rugby but he should be confined to cover for 15 and nothing more. Sit hole is at the future and seriously in need of his time in the sun which is now.

  • Comment 12, posted at 05.05.16 11:26:11 by The hound Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 10) : Yup. I do miss BV’s rotation policy and understand it’s not for everyone. Very few teams have implemented that and got it right.
    However, I get the feeling that the pressure to produce results are just absurdly high. Considering this team played outstanding rugga last week, I too would be very hesitant to change it against a side that has the potential to completely thrash it’s opposition. Can we afford another Saders rout at home?

  • Comment 13, posted at 05.05.16 11:36:04 by gregkaos Reply
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  • For whatever it’s worth (and before I’m responsible for crafting a bandwagon), my comments about rotation and Sbu in particular are not meant as a jab at either GG or Odwa. It’s just a personal concern at this point and I’m definitely cognisant of the fact that there may be reasons that I’m simply not aware of.

    Garth April very recently mentioned that he knew his chance to start was coming which to me suggests that there does seem to be good communication between coaches and players at the very least.

  • Comment 14, posted at 05.05.16 11:36:15 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I wonder what the CC Qualifying team for Saturdays game will look like…

  • Comment 15, posted at 05.05.16 11:43:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 14) : Bandwagons get hitched on here for no reason whatsoever :grin:

  • Comment 16, posted at 05.05.16 11:46:04 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 12) : Next year JPP will be gone, and I doubt that Odwa will have another year in him. It is imperative to start grooming Sithole to take over from JPP.

  • Comment 17, posted at 05.05.16 11:48:46 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Can’t fault the choices in the team, but I’m with the bulk of everyone on here. Some guys need a rest and some need chances before they leave for greener pastures. I understand this weeks picks but surely giving some fresh guys a start next week and leaving some at home must be an option. The ” huizens” would do well being left here completely next week. Maybe even Mvovo could stay behind for a rest.

  • Comment 18, posted at 05.05.16 11:51:05 by Hulk Reply

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  • How on earth does daniel dupreez retain his spot? I hate saying this but it certainly looks like having dad around is helping. This is bullshit how many times more must this kid lose the ball before they drop him. Tera is available heck even majola can come in and keegan move to 8th man. This is unfair. They should let sbura play as well than he has same issue but he got dropped but dani boy keeps getting a chance to work it out in super rugby

  • Comment 19, posted at 05.05.16 11:55:26 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Hulk (Comment 18) : The problem with leaving the “huizens” in durban is that they havnt exactly lined up other options at 4 and 12 this year….so would either be a newbie or a reshuffle

  • Comment 20, posted at 05.05.16 11:58:51 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 19) : Interesting you bring that up as i said when Rob DuPreez was appointed coach that if his sons keep getting selected when off form others outside the group may start to ask questions…

  • Comment 21, posted at 05.05.16 12:00:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 19) : I feel Dan needs to be dropped to the bench until he can get that right and personally would have moved Keegan to 8 and had Deysel at 6. It is a bit heavy but I feel we need to keep this game tight and if Deysel can bash Barrett and Perenara we could get them thinking twice about taking him on later in the game. But in Gary we/ I trust.

  • Comment 22, posted at 05.05.16 12:01:49 by Hulk Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 21) : that time has come unfortuntly, I don’t thing gold has the ballz to drop him I’m sure if it was dads decision he would have been dropped by now maybe even both. I feel sorry for guys like khaya and terra they never get equal opportunities they get treated different and its not right. And to a lesser extent monde aswell

  • Comment 23, posted at 05.05.16 12:08:20 by Poisy Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 12) : You don’t treat the future like that. You give the future the same exposure you have given the likes of the twins or Cobus for example. Just saying. Under Gold he is nowhere. What guarantee does he have that Gold will back him next year when the likes of JPP have left? He hasn’t shown him that he trusts him. Not even a single game in the number 13 jersey that got him invited to a Bok training camp. Gary Gold….no man. Would you stay if you were him? Lions…he can definitely play ahead of Skosana…at Province he can play ahead of that wing of theirs. Imagine him and Zas on the wing??? They are after all looking for a wing replacement to replace Cornell Hendricks. Gold is playing with our future man.

  • Comment 24, posted at 05.05.16 12:08:29 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 22) : anything will do . Drop him to the bench is fine aswell but as things stand he gets rewarded for playing shit and its not right. All we want is equal chances let players stand or fall based on they own abilities but be fair and treat them the same

  • Comment 25, posted at 05.05.16 12:11:20 by Poisy Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 14) : Every player or employee says that mate until they submit that resignation letter. Then the coach or employer gets the shock of their lives and ask themselves what happened. They then turn to the glorious counter offer which falls on deaf ears as the physiological contract has been breached.

  • Comment 26, posted at 05.05.16 12:12:34 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 23) : Look Tera has played barely any rugby for ages so can see why he is not included. Majola possibly knocking on the door but the poor form of the CC side possibly not helping. Monde Hadebe wasnt good enough im afraid…his basics were not good. Both Dan and Jean Luc are good players no doubt…but they arent in the best of form, Dan especially.

  • Comment 27, posted at 05.05.16 12:12:45 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 24) : not only that but how can lambie get a bench spot right away as the captain of the team that’s fair enough but tera was currie cup captain 2 not so long ago and he gets no look in yet dan is dropping balls left right and centre! How is that fair? They tell him to do currie cup to get back to match fitness but not lambie? I’m getting very close to not supporting this team until people are treated the same

  • Comment 28, posted at 05.05.16 12:16:48 by Poisy Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 12) : I know Odwa is older and slower than he was but if we are going to be playing a kicking based game where we have to contest in the air, and this goes for receiving too then I will take Odwa any day of the week.

  • Comment 29, posted at 05.05.16 12:20:10 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 25) : I hear what you are saying, but Tera has been injured for a long time and is just coming back now. He is on the bench for the CC side this week. I am sure, if he gets a run of 4 games, he will be back in the mix at Super Rugby level. Remember, the Sharks intrusted him with Captaincy not long ago, since then, he has had terrible luck with injury.

    You must remember that Dan is young – personally, I feel he is a flank and not an 8 – you are born with hand skills, as much as you try coach that skill, you either have it or you don’t. JL has been very good, surprised to hear some guys not rating him on here.

  • Comment 30, posted at 05.05.16 12:20:28 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @SheldonK (Comment 27) : monde was exactly the same as marias. They struggled on the exact same things and monde wasa blamed for our weak scrum but even when we went forward nobody said anything but when we went backwards it was all his fault. When we went backwards with mariasa nobody said shit, when marias didn’t throw the ball the right way in lineouts nobody said anything but when monde did the same people bayed for his blood. IT IS NOT FAIR!!! Certain players get treated like shit at the sharks. Marias worked on his issues because he was given the chances monde didn’t get those big chances. Monde migt not be good enough but the treatment handed to him is not equal to the treatment marias received from coaches or this site. EQUALITY! That’s all I want

  • Comment 31, posted at 05.05.16 12:23:22 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 31) : Hang on there…Monde was in the system for a very long time. Marias has taken far less time to come good. Marais is definitely a better player than Monde..even showed him up in club games while Monde was shark and Marais just a club player. Monde wasnt good enough. If Marais isnt good enough then so be it…but currently he definitely is good enough.

  • Comment 32, posted at 05.05.16 12:28:15 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 30) : jl had same issue as dan, I didn’t mention him because he has improved I have no issue with him starting he continues to prove himself but dan hasn’t . Young yes but you still need to perform. Sbura is young 2 why is he not getting the same chance as dan than?

  • Comment 33, posted at 05.05.16 12:29:38 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 31) : Don’t screw up a good debate by providing facts? Lol…So as Mjekevu…why aren’t these guys getting a look into?

  • Comment 34, posted at 05.05.16 12:30:11 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 32) : monde was at the sharks longer yes but you forget when he finally got a chance at currie cup that’s when marias was around 2 and that’s how things played out. If monde got a chance sooner than who knows? Marias might be better than monde I just don’t feel the treatment is the same and the chances and opportunities were the same

  • Comment 35, posted at 05.05.16 12:34:21 by Poisy Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 34) : I personally don’t rate mjekevu. Sbura is rated even though we know he has handling issues I think most people will say he deserves a chance but why is he not getting it?

  • Comment 36, posted at 05.05.16 12:36:41 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 35) : The same argument can then be made for Cooper…had to wait ages behind Bismarck and then when finally its his chance there is both Monde and then Marais and now Chilliboy…so where is his chance? Unfortunately some guys that have been waiting for ages get eclipsed by better players when the time comes.

  • Comment 37, posted at 05.05.16 12:39:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 36) : The reason Sithole isnt getting a chance is that the Sharks are sticking by their pecking order policy until injury or forced rotation. Sithole is behind Mvovo, JPP and Odwa in the pecking order

  • Comment 38, posted at 05.05.16 12:41:07 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 37) : yes I agree with you on that, but we knew of cooper and what he could do, he did get a few chances, monde got nothing till he had to compete with marias. Marias won but the treatment was not right especially here on sharksworld the comments were so biased and I remember the captain even blaming monde for lineouts in a post match interview ,how is the guy suppose to react to that? Marco was a douche to monde and I hope he apologised for doing something like that on tv instead of behind closed doors.

  • Comment 39, posted at 05.05.16 12:44:49 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 33) : It is tough for me, my brother has played with and against the twins since the age of 6 – so I know them personally and they such great boys, suppose men now. I truly believe the twins have great talent and I will never say anything against them, but I do understand your points.

    Sbura, what can I say, why is he not playing, I do not know, I would certainly be playing him. The one question I do have for you, where should he be played – 13 or on the wing?

  • Comment 40, posted at 05.05.16 12:49:16 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Poisy (Comment 39) : Marco was kak anyway

  • Comment 41, posted at 05.05.16 12:51:46 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @SheldonK (Comment 37) :
    “Unfortunately some guys that have been waiting for ages get eclipsed by better players when the time comes.”

    Clearly how the coaches feel about Heimar too, if we are to be consistent.

    I don’t quite share Poisy’s concerns but he highlights the danger all of us face in that we naturally have bias for and against certain players.

    For example, I think we are really screwing up by not selecting Sithole, but I can back the continued selection of the twins and Esterhuizen every week.

  • Comment 42, posted at 05.05.16 12:54:05 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 40) : for me I would play him at centre which means he is behind jordan and jp. Jordan needs a bloody rest before he falls apart

  • Comment 43, posted at 05.05.16 12:55:16 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 39) : I remember Monde playing quite a few sharks games so i think he definitely got a shot. I also remember him being very poor in a lot of those games…failing to hook in the scrum, poor lineouts and handling. So perhaps Wentzel shouldnt have criticised him publicly, but whether he said it publicly or not the fact is his lineout throwing was probably bad that day.

  • Comment 44, posted at 05.05.16 12:57:57 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 40) : I have no doubt they are good people and they are talented they don’t pick themselvs after all. I am just saying dan must be dropped as his handling as been extremly bad thus far. And they need to promote someone else so he knows there’s competition. As it stands he gets rewarded aftr have a bad game and that is not fair. I don’t care where he gets dropped wheathr its bench or currie cup makes no difference to me so long as he stops being rewarded for having bad games and knocking on the ball.

  • Comment 45, posted at 05.05.16 13:01:35 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 45) : Fair enough. Do you not think he should perhaps play flank? Ball Handling at 8 is a must – I do not get why Keegan is at 6, surely he should be at 8 and Dan at 6. Trust me when I tell you this, Tera will be in the mix, but he needs to get games under his belt first.

  • Comment 46, posted at 05.05.16 13:04:07 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Big Fish (Comment 42) : don’t get me started on heimar! Our size obsessed coaches are doing a diservice to our talent, I would back heimar over any of our inside centres

  • Comment 47, posted at 05.05.16 13:05:39 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 42) : I do get what you are saying about relating that to Heimar…and yes im all for Andre leapfrogging him to start. My concern is that Andre seems to be the only 12 the Sharks are willing to play. So if he breaks down as he has played every minute then what? They have never even included someone on the bench for games. He is also a crashing player more than a distributor…and i feel that is 1 thing stifling the backline currently.

  • Comment 48, posted at 05.05.16 13:05:45 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 46) : I really don’t know what the solution is. Jl had same issue even at flank yet he somehow got over it, for me dan should work on being a fetcher so he stands out from his brother. Keegan hasn’t really been better than them besides handling wise I would have hoped he would lead them and help them make the right decisions and concentrate on they handling

  • Comment 49, posted at 05.05.16 13:10:27 by Poisy Reply
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  • You guys need to remember that training during the week also is a factor in choosing a side. The Oosthuizens are both young and eager. For me, they need as much game time now as possible. Regarding rotation, they will get time off soon. Whether their understudies take their chances (as April did)? Well, that remains to be seen on the day of play.

  • Comment 50, posted at 05.05.16 13:16:35 by bokbok Reply

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  • Tera will start once fully fit. Only issue will be balancing the trio with Marcel gone. I think he and Keegan were always seen as the only 2 real 8th man options.

    No disrespect intended, but I see all of Heimar, Cloete, Monde and Marais as currie cup level.

    Monde only got a real shot in the last CC, when we had an awful pack for him to try to shine in. Marais has certainly had more and better opportunities. But I don’t think either is the future.

    I don’t think it’s a size issue with Heimar – he is just under 100kg. Perhaps the coaches see Jordaan and Pat as their next best 12 options.

    I don’t get the selection of Odwa over Sbura, but probably it’s about experience around that 10-13 axis and his strength on defence and in the air. Sometimes one has to accept that we don’t have access to all the relevant information.

  • Comment 51, posted at 05.05.16 13:16:55 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Sorry, going against the grain on this one, but I for one am happy with the team that has been selected here.

    I think it is going to be a real challenge of a match, but if we can play like we did last week and cut out the unnecessary errors we are in for a real chance here.

    Great to have Lambie back and look forward to him, and Deysel, in particular having a real impact off the bench.

  • Comment 52, posted at 05.05.16 13:22:12 by stevovo Reply
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  • Im more worried that the toll of the last 4 weeks of rugby and the crazy travelling that the team has just undertaken to team selections. I just hope these guys arent physically knackered.

  • Comment 53, posted at 05.05.16 13:30:04 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @stevovo (Comment 52) : I agree that its definitely a good side selected. My only concern was looking forward and the lack of other options at 4 and 12 should those guys break down…12 more than 4.

  • Comment 54, posted at 05.05.16 13:30:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • NEWS JUST IN: The Sharks confirmed that we as fans will be treated to a win! :mrgreen: ;-)

  • Comment 55, posted at 05.05.16 13:39:03 by DuToit04 Reply

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  • Everyone has their favourite players, but I think most of us would like to see Sbura get a chance to get a lot more time on the field. Questoin is, does the coaches see him as a wing or 13, probably wing…Then, do they see him as a number 11 or 14, or both. I can only think they are sticking with Odwa as he can cover more positions and maybe has better handling, especially under a high ball? Saying this, I can’t remember the last time I saw Sithole under a high ball, but just that Odwa is quite good with them. He really is a team player, hope we can just keep him around till the currie cup and then next year, when some senior players are gone . He has really earned his place in the team, probably my favourite shark player to not really have played for them a lot ;-)

  • Comment 56, posted at 05.05.16 13:43:02 by HeinF Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 56) : Considering Sithole still plays wing for the CC side i would assume they see him only as a wing. I think the 3 wings ahead of him all have good qualities but i just feel that Sithole would provide more off the bench than Odwa. If Odwa plays he should start.

  • Comment 57, posted at 05.05.16 13:52:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @DuToit04 (Comment 55) : a Win, havent heard of them yet. Are they a Durban based band. Are they going to play before or after the main game.

  • Comment 58, posted at 05.05.16 14:14:49 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 57) : I agree, Odwa is a very good player, but he isn’t really regarded as an impact player anymore. I have no problem with him even being on the bench, I just feel that Sithole is good and young enough to at least on some occasions take Odwa’s place on the bench. He is so talented and wants to play so much, you just feel that it will give him something extra when he does come on the field. No ego and everything to play for!

  • Comment 59, posted at 05.05.16 14:16:06 by HeinF Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 56) : i thought Odwa would have been retired by now to be honest.

  • Comment 60, posted at 05.05.16 14:17:26 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 58) : he meant to say a WIND…weather forecast isnt great this weekend.

  • Comment 61, posted at 05.05.16 14:23:41 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 59) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 60) : The only other possible thinking is that they only see Sithole as a wing and see Odwa as a wing/fullback. So in that way they have a guy on the bench that covers more than just wing.

  • Comment 62, posted at 05.05.16 14:25:33 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 61) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 58) : After the main game…and nope that was the weather forecast for the Lions last weekend! ;-)

  • Comment 63, posted at 05.05.16 14:46:32 by DuToit04 Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 62) : That is my thinking as well, plus that Odwa can play 11 and 14…but you have both April and Lambie that can cover 15, with Willie being able to slot in on wing, more than enough backup to give Sithole a shot.

  • Comment 64, posted at 05.05.16 14:48:07 by HeinF Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 64) : Yeh i know, was just a possibility. Will be interesting to see how things develop in next few weeks

  • Comment 65, posted at 05.05.16 14:58:57 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 31) : to be 100% honest I was all over Marais and Cooper for their lineout work. Personally I don’t think either of them is 100% up to speed and still needs lots of work. Would like to see what Chili can do so hope he’s starting soon

  • Comment 66, posted at 05.05.16 15:11:49 by JD Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 45) : with you 100% Keegan or Deysel should start at 8 and once Terra and Kleynhans is 100% ready they should get a chance to show what they can do.

  • Comment 67, posted at 05.05.16 15:15:48 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 65) : If only all of the coaches knew as much as us ;-) Just Hope Sithole will stick around

  • Comment 68, posted at 05.05.16 15:21:42 by HeinF Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 36) : @SheldonK (Comment 38) : can’t see why Sithole has not played more games. Even if they don’t rate him at 13 JPP could have shifted to 13 and he could have played wing.

  • Comment 69, posted at 05.05.16 15:24:22 by JD Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 68) : maybe they should be reading Sharksworld more then they would have no excuse for losing games;-D

  • Comment 70, posted at 05.05.16 15:25:58 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 69) : I think Jordaan’s good form has meant he has played a lot more than anticipated. Remember he was returning from a bad injury

  • Comment 71, posted at 05.05.16 15:36:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 71) : personally I think he should have rested at least one extra game to ensure he remains fit and ready to play if the Sharks reach the playoffs (by sort of a miracle).

  • Comment 72, posted at 05.05.16 15:44:13 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 62) : We have so many in that match 23 that can cover 15, we certainly do not need Odwa for that. Players that can cover 15, le Roux, April, Lambie, Mvovo, and JPP. Carrying a pure wing on the bench is not a problem, as either of the starting wings can also cover 15. Sbu also covers 13 and with Jordaan also able to cover 12, that leaves plenty of cover for the backline. No reason to carry Odders on the bench over Sbu, except for his superior ability under the high ball, both on attack and defence.

  • Comment 73, posted at 05.05.16 16:14:52 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 73) : I was just trying to think of another possibility why they go with Odwa on the bench over Sithole other they rate him as a better wing. I really dont think they see Sithole as a centre as he doesnt even play there for the CC side.

  • Comment 74, posted at 05.05.16 16:21:19 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 73) : Agree, its his aerial abilities that get him the nod.

  • Comment 75, posted at 05.05.16 16:31:32 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 74) : Safety, Odwa suits the game plan much better, he is superior under the high ball.

  • Comment 76, posted at 05.05.16 16:34:51 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 75) : With age comes wisdom…..we hope… ;-)

  • Comment 77, posted at 05.05.16 16:37:05 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 77) : Indeed. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 78, posted at 05.05.16 16:40:02 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Not a fan of Beast as captain…

  • Comment 79, posted at 05.05.16 18:48:45 by Apollo Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 70) : If they really cared about the fans,they would come read about our superior ideas here ;)

  • Comment 80, posted at 05.05.16 19:50:07 by HeinF Reply

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  • I’m pretty disappointed that Deysel is not starting this game…

  • Comment 81, posted at 05.05.16 19:55:54 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 74) : Is it just lack of foresight or is he not showing enough during practise to change their minds?

  • Comment 82, posted at 05.05.16 20:23:08 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 82) : Here’s the problem, right now, Odders is simply better under the high ball, both attacking and defending, that is not saying Sbu is not also very good, but Odders is simply one of the very best in this regard at this point in his career. He has certainly lost some of his pace. I am sure this is why Gold is so dependent on Odders. That being said, we all have to concede that even with the truly amazing service Odders has given the Sharks over so many years, he can not play forever. So the challenge is to somehow balance his current superiority with giving his eventual replacement game time to keep him satisfied and motivated. This is where I think Gary Gold has failed miserably, I understand his preference for Odders, especially with the gameplan he is currently employing. However, there have been multiple opportunities to give Sbu some game time without disruption, and Gold has taken none of these……ZERO….and that is a mistake in my opinion. This is not saying I don’t think Gold is doing a very good job generally this year, but this is a mistake. My opinion.

  • Comment 83, posted at 05.05.16 21:04:16 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 81) : for sure. Think Deysel just brings a bit of “fetcher” ability that’s currently lacking.

  • Comment 84, posted at 05.05.16 21:53:25 by JD Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 83) : I must agree with you. Gold has done way better than last year but personally I think he missed a couple of chances to give players like Heimar, Sbu and April more game time!

  • Comment 85, posted at 05.05.16 21:58:15 by JD Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 83) :
    I feel exactly the same.

  • Comment 86, posted at 05.05.16 22:02:55 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Wow this sithole debate is endless, my view, guys a quality play been around awhile and yet still young. Iv seen him play well at outside centre and both wing.

    Id pick him over odwa and jpp at this point.

    Odwa is a legend but its time to pass the torch buddy, as sithole isnt bad under the high ball at all. And if sithole has a shocker then bring odwa in for a few games.

    As it relates to jp, im a big fan but he reminds me off kanko when he got back from japan. Way off the pace. Need to be put on a conditioning programs or play a few practice games. With him leaving after this season sithole and wandile will step up.

    Odwa not being fast enough in the jaguares game also didnt do him any favours in my book.

    The 12 issue ? I was also surprised that heimar didnt get a game by now, if we’re not careful he may leave, the we have andre whose big but needs to be up skilled and marius louw who i havnt seen play yet, and possibly jordan

    the dan and jl issue

    These kids are young and talented and because the dominated in pre season and their on the cover of sa rugby now their learning their trade in the spot light and because of the injury crisis they have to play. I rate tera and majola and keagan, and now deysel is back to his old self and ginger has been great. So we need to manage the twins game time better now, let them make mistakes away from the spot light, on the training field and in the cc. Why the hell did we let bothma !!

  • Comment 87, posted at 05.05.16 23:08:31 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 83) : I think thats a very accurate comment. I think that same reasoning can be applied to the number 12 and perhaps lessor extent to the number 4 and even 15 positions. The next in line just hasnt had a taste at all, not even off the bench

  • Comment 88, posted at 06.05.16 08:32:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 87) : Great comment. Just on your last point- was it just me or did you also notice that our loose forwards and the twins in particular passed the ball a lot more in the pre season games than they have during super rugby and the Sharks looked a lot more fluid as a result in preseason. Just my observation

  • Comment 89, posted at 06.05.16 08:40:02 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 87) : I personally agree 100% with you and I also think there a lot of other Sharks supporters that will agree. Gold has done some strange things this season but must also give him (and the other coaches) credit as the team is a lot better than last year. Hope they can keep on improving!

  • Comment 90, posted at 06.05.16 09:13:40 by JD Reply
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  • I missed Coenie being out of the match 23…

  • Comment 91, posted at 06.05.16 20:28:29 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 83) : Comes back to the fear if losing issue Gary has I suppose. Not that I blame him he came in at a tough time and the pressure has not gotten less.

  • Comment 92, posted at 07.05.16 12:12:52 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @pastorshark (Comment 91) : with the injured guys coming back the Sharks now have options in almost all the positions!

  • Comment 93, posted at 08.05.16 14:59:46 by JD Reply
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