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Sharks XV add cherry to an already tasty cake


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 9 May 2016 at 10:12
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As if the oh-so-sweet victory over the Hurricanes on Saturday afternoon wasn’t enough, there was more joy to come for fans as Khaya Majola led the Sharks XV to a fantastic 24-16 win over hitherto undefeated Western Province in the Currie Cup qualifying series.

Micheal Horak’s side – forced into a late change at lock when Dave McDuling withdrew (replaced by Wian Vosloo) – started slowly, with Province opening up a handy 11-0 lead courtesy of two early penalties and then a try. They found their rhythm as the half drew to a close, though, with in-form flyhalf Tristan Tedder key to the revival. Tedder nailed a penalty, then converted Marius Louw’s try to see the hosts trail by a single point (10-11) at the break.

The flyhalf himself grabbed the lead early in the second period, scoring and converting to open up a 17-11 lead. A rare defensive slip allowed Province back in, with their second try (unconverted) making it a one-point game in the Sharks XV’s favour. The Sharks had the last laugh, with fullback Alrin Eksteen ghosting over late in the game to sew up a great 8-point win.

Even better news for Sharks fans is that Tera Mtembu enjoyed a much-needed run-out in the second half; the popular loose forward came into the squad as a late replacement for McDuling.

Sharks XV (24) – Tries: Marius Louw, Tristan Tredder, Alrin Eksteen; Conversions: Tedder (3); Penalty: Tedder.
Western Province (16) – Tries: Godlen Masimla, Khanyo Ngcukana; Penalties: Grant Hermanus (2).



135 Comments

  • How did Sbura go? Teddar is really putting his hand up

  • Comment 1, posted at 09.05.16 10:28:18 by Kabouter Reply
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  • No one seems to want to answer this question, it was asked yesterday already. I presume it was not a standout performance. I will watch the game tonight see.

  • Comment 2, posted at 09.05.16 10:33:32 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 2) : I answered on a previous thread. he was top notch, had a great game

  • Comment 3, posted at 09.05.16 10:41:12 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Kabouter (Comment 1) : Played really well, huge bounce on Ngukana, the provine right wing. Tedder looking good, a shame he was not invited to SA U20 trials

  • Comment 4, posted at 09.05.16 10:43:07 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 3) : Thanks, missed your comment. Thats good to hear, nothing like having an abundance of players in form.

  • Comment 5, posted at 09.05.16 10:51:04 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 4) : Good news on both cases. Hopefully Sbura did enough to get called up for Jags. As long as Tedder continues performing, he must come into reconning. Last year Inny got injured late and B Thompson only nailed his spot just before tournament.

  • Comment 6, posted at 09.05.16 10:51:16 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 5) : Will have to watch the game. Anyone challenging AE for 12?

  • Comment 7, posted at 09.05.16 10:52:28 by Kabouter Reply

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  • Tedder, Radebe, April, Bosch.
    I predict some selection headaches in the near future.

  • Comment 8, posted at 09.05.16 10:54:03 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @Kabouter (Comment 7) : I hope some competition will push AE further. Despite his limitations re distribution I was very happy with his intent on Sat but it cant hurt if he gets pushed a little from other youngsters

  • Comment 9, posted at 09.05.16 10:54:07 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 4) : I have come to the conclussion that if your surname is not Libbok or Bosch, you can forget about getting noticed for higher honours no matter how talented you are.

  • Comment 10, posted at 09.05.16 10:55:27 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Kabouter (Comment 7) : Very hard to say, they played in pouring rain and it was tough to get a true reflection of a player. Louw played well, but he plays much like Esterhuizen, vey abrasive, but a lot smaller, Williams only came on late in the game and had no ball, just tackled, so hard to say at this point.

  • Comment 11, posted at 09.05.16 10:57:53 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 10) : Ja for sure. Tedder is coming along nicely and is probably a more all rounded flyhalf than Bosch. The thing I like about Tedder, he is brave on defence, makes all his tackles. The Sharks have too many flyhalves at the moment though, some will have to leave to get recognition and game time

  • Comment 12, posted at 09.05.16 10:59:22 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Kabouter (Comment 6) : I would say so, more than enough – he is a freight train

  • Comment 13, posted at 09.05.16 10:59:52 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • Johan Du Toit looks incredibly mobile at number 7. Really gets around the park.

  • Comment 14, posted at 09.05.16 11:53:00 by byron Reply

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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 4) : someone said Tedder is going overseas and if it’s true I don’t think he will be interested in playing under 20′s as it will disqualify him for playing for another country.

  • Comment 15, posted at 09.05.16 11:56:03 by JD Reply
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  • Wasn’t really impressed by Tedder tbh.

    Guys who stood out for me where the Majola prop (very good on defence), du Toit (like his bro has a fantastic engine), Schraam, Louw, Sithole and Eksteen (great line kicker and positional play).

    Nkosi seems to still be finding his feet, so will keep an eye on him.

  • Comment 16, posted at 09.05.16 11:59:11 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 12) : Tedder is leaving for Toulouse at the end of June…

  • Comment 17, posted at 09.05.16 12:00:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 16) : Alrin Eksteen has been in the junior sides for some time now but never given a chance higher up…perhaps they want him to develop more. He doesnt look like a small guy though

  • Comment 18, posted at 09.05.16 12:01:24 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 17) : If Tedder is leaving and we have a glut of good fly halves why are we playing him in a meaningless competition?

  • Comment 19, posted at 09.05.16 12:08:15 by MikeSebMatt Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 17) : Jeez, exciting, good luck to him.

  • Comment 20, posted at 09.05.16 12:16:59 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Big Fish (Comment 16) : Agree on your players, also thought the 5 lock was big in defence, can’t spell his name, the Namibian oke

  • Comment 21, posted at 09.05.16 12:17:38 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @MikeSebMatt (Comment 19) : Radebe is injured and Bosch with the Sa u20s so pretty much nobody else besides Tedder currently

  • Comment 22, posted at 09.05.16 12:24:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 20) : Will get to learn from Mcallister in that setup.

  • Comment 23, posted at 09.05.16 12:25:30 by SheldonK Reply

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  • We still look incredibly thin at lock! The depth was not very inspiring. Thought the sharks scrummy had a great game considering he was drafted in from club rugby last minut

  • Comment 24, posted at 09.05.16 12:28:46 by byron Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 23) : I am sure he will. Not only that, Toulouse is a beautiful place and if a young guy has an opportunity to travel while playing rugby, he must take it with both hands.

  • Comment 25, posted at 09.05.16 12:29:50 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • Must say khaya did well at breakdowns without actually winning a turnover but he is no captain, tera came on and talked to guys and I saw an immediate improvement on defence and attitude. Than unavi lock from namibia is a beast takes no nonsense,sithole did well and played like a centre,all his good work was in the middle of the field not the wing! Surely the coaches can see this. Hiemar came on and was dissapointing also remember majola the prop playing better than what I saw saturday. Nkosi looks invisible perhaps still adjusting

  • Comment 26, posted at 09.05.16 12:45:13 by Poisy Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 23) : @Vonno13 (Comment 25) : great opportunity for the young man and with all the other flyhalfs currently playing at the Sharks one can only wish him best of luck for his future!

  • Comment 27, posted at 09.05.16 12:46:31 by JD Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 26) : sad to hear Heimar did not have a good game but very glad to hear the Khaya and Tera had good games.

  • Comment 28, posted at 09.05.16 12:49:58 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 28) : he didn’t have a shocker either just looked to be going through the motions,he caught and passed and ran without standing out in anyway

  • Comment 29, posted at 09.05.16 12:52:01 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 29) : maybe a lack of motivation as he’s not getting a chance to show his talent in Super rugby?!

  • Comment 30, posted at 09.05.16 13:03:42 by JD Reply
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  • @Poisy (Comment 29) : And Marius Louw before him? I was at a 40th after the Sharks game so only briefly saw the game on the tv

  • Comment 31, posted at 09.05.16 13:20:55 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 26) : Have to disagree with you on Both Nkosi and Williams. It was wet and heavy underfoot, incredibly difficult to look flashy in those conditions. Nkosi did his job, he was not beaten at any stage and showed his strength with one or two runs. Williams had just about no ball, had to defend the entire time. Need to give the guys more game time to prove themselves, wet weather rugby is tough

  • Comment 32, posted at 09.05.16 13:21:12 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @SheldonK (Comment 31) : Louw was solid, also not flash. No one was though. Dan Du PLessis, the 12 of Province, is a future Bok in the making, but he was also very quite, it was tough conditions.

  • Comment 33, posted at 09.05.16 13:22:31 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 33) : Yeh the weather was pretty crap…so if guys had tried to be flashy i would be worried about their decision making. Solid risk free rugby was the order of the day

  • Comment 34, posted at 09.05.16 13:34:26 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 33) : @SheldonK (Comment 34) : thanx always nice to get feedback on players performance considering playing conditions.

  • Comment 35, posted at 09.05.16 13:40:20 by JD Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 33) :
    They’re WP 12 looked the deal!

    Our 9-13 didn’t impress me because that’s where I look for some structure on attack, and it just wasn’t there. By contrast, the WP 12 made good decisions on running/ passing options and running lines. This made their attack more incisive and structured.

  • Comment 36, posted at 09.05.16 13:56:18 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 36) : maybe Sharks can sign the WP 12 as there seems not to many of them (that’s rated by the coach) in Sharks country?

  • Comment 37, posted at 09.05.16 14:03:16 by JD Reply
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  • Great to have Tera getting some game time but I’d like Sharks management to err on the side of caution with his reintroduction into Super Rugby. It must have been an emotional rollercoaster with his run of injuries (and good on him for soldiering on). I wouldn’t want to see him rushed back until he’s fully fit.

  • Comment 38, posted at 09.05.16 14:06:38 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 38) : ja for sure especially now that Deysel Keegan and twins are showing some good form.

  • Comment 39, posted at 09.05.16 14:12:43 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 37) :
    Not sure that’s a good idea.

    He’s a big unit like Esterhuizen and played a similar game – don’t think I could stand the complaining from the SW faithful. :lol:

  • Comment 40, posted at 09.05.16 14:22:30 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 38) : Yeh fully agree.

  • Comment 41, posted at 09.05.16 14:22:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 40) : You talking about Daniel DuPlessis? Im sure Andre is a lot bigger than him? DuPlessis plays the game much like Reinach…plays on the edge and can make errors but can also be spectacular…

  • Comment 42, posted at 09.05.16 14:24:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 42) :
    I stand to be corrected – remember him brushing off a few tackles. Maybe that was more to do with pace and running lines.

  • Comment 43, posted at 09.05.16 15:08:34 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 43) : He is fairly quick and is quite abrasive. Just from what ive seen of him and Andre- Andre looks much bigger. Dan Duplessis will have to cut his error rate to really be a good player at the top level. But he certainly is talented.

  • Comment 44, posted at 09.05.16 15:15:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 44) :
    Andre is much bigger than pretty much everyone!

    I was a bit disappointed with Marwana; was hoping to see a real explosive runner at 13 but he didn’t seem particularly quick or powerful to me.

  • Comment 45, posted at 09.05.16 15:28:44 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 45) : haha true about Andre…still think if he dropped 10kgs he would be much better. I must admit i havnt watched too much of Marwana since he was at school, just seem to miss the games he plays. The Sharks do seem to rate him…i think perhaps Khubeka is the better player. Although wouldnt mind seeing Williams and Louw line up next to each other

  • Comment 46, posted at 09.05.16 15:56:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 46) :
    A Williams/ Louw combo just doesn’t seem dynamic enough to me.

    Not sure why you feel Esterhuizen should drop a few – unlike Frans, he seems a lean 112kg to me (on tv anyway)?

  • Comment 47, posted at 09.05.16 16:06:38 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 47) : He really does seem to be a bit heavy…that 10kg would make a huge difference to his agility and speed off the mark. Williams/ Louw would be a very solid combination…they both not slow and have pretty good distribution. The Sharks are blessed with pretty good wings/fb but they dont seem to be used effectively…it all seems to be based on whether the 13 can step his man.

  • Comment 48, posted at 09.05.16 16:10:07 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I don’t get why Tedder would want to leave now. We will need plenty flyhalfs and fullbacks for CC. Willie and Joe gone Pat can be rested quite often. We need guys like him and April.

  • Comment 49, posted at 09.05.16 16:17:00 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 49) : Where is Joe off to?

  • Comment 50, posted at 09.05.16 16:18:16 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 48) :
    Ja… Esterhuizen has played back 3 before, including last season, so I would question that – especially since competing in the air was one of his strengths last year; not usually a sign of a heavy/ overweight player.

    To me I would say either Louw or Williams could fit in most combinations because they have good general skills. But as a combo they just lack that enterprising wow factor. You have to have a game breaker in the centres IMO.

  • Comment 51, posted at 09.05.16 16:20:45 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 46) : Ja I must agree. Although the twins a far from finished they are ahead of their brother in their respective positons. He is very erratic and compulsive. Of course we have the benefit of having their dad on staff. Even if you don’t listen to the coach you sure a shit will listen to dad…or else…

  • Comment 52, posted at 09.05.16 16:21:05 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 50) : Heard he was going to japan

  • Comment 53, posted at 09.05.16 16:21:30 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 53) : Oh ok, didnt know that. Do you know if its just one of those off season contracts or fulltime?

  • Comment 54, posted at 09.05.16 16:22:54 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 36) : He will be a Bok one day, he has tremendous talent.

  • Comment 55, posted at 09.05.16 16:23:40 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @SheldonK (Comment 54) : Don’t know. Just he is joining the kama Ishikawa seawater after Sr this year.

  • Comment 56, posted at 09.05.16 16:24:58 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 54) : Kamaishi seawaves. ..Damn auto complete. .

  • Comment 57, posted at 09.05.16 16:25:35 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 51) : The Highlanders on the weekend had simple centres (Fekitoa just did the basics) but their centres did set up their strike runners in the back 3. So guess there is more than 1 way to skin a cat :)

  • Comment 58, posted at 09.05.16 16:25:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 40) : hahaha why not?!?!

  • Comment 59, posted at 09.05.16 16:30:03 by JD Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 47) : @SheldonK (Comment 48) : also think Andre is a bit big, not saying he fat/overweight just think he can lose a bit bulk without compromising his physical play but adding a bit of speed and mobility.

  • Comment 60, posted at 09.05.16 16:37:01 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 58) :
    Fekitoa is a beast bro! The fact that he was anonymous is a testament to how well we played.

    Have you forgotten the try he scored against us last year!?

  • Comment 61, posted at 09.05.16 16:42:43 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 53) : @SheldonK (Comment 54) : just looked to see if Joe is returning to the Sharks for 2017 Super rugby, only thing I find is that Sharks are negotiating with him but that was already published 30 March. Not sure what happened to the negotiations maybe Rob can add something?

  • Comment 62, posted at 09.05.16 16:57:01 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 62) : I haven’t actually heard anything

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  • @robdylan (Comment 63) : must say although I really like Joe and would love to see him back at the Sharks I do think the Sharks should be OK if he does not return.

  • Comment 64, posted at 09.05.16 17:06:53 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 64) : That’s why my comment. Tedder should have patience spots will open up after SR.

  • Comment 65, posted at 09.05.16 17:26:11 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 58) : Mate, Fekitoa is a beast! He was playing out of position, though.

  • Comment 66, posted at 09.05.16 17:28:55 by Ben Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 65) : personally think Tedder might be thinking long term international rugby?!

  • Comment 67, posted at 09.05.16 17:43:56 by JD Reply
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  • Dan dup for departing joe p?ew viljoen and sergeal petersen for departing jpp?anyone rate the kings no9?

  • Comment 68, posted at 09.05.16 17:44:22 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • Player the sharks must sign from wp is wilco louw no3.

  • Comment 69, posted at 09.05.16 17:45:29 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 64) : I agree.

  • Comment 70, posted at 09.05.16 17:47:20 by Ben Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 69) : A player I would love the Sharks to sign is Francois Venter from the Cheetahs to stock up our number 12 depth.

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  • @JD: @SheldonK: nadolo is same height and 15 kg heavier.just need to improve ae’s skill in the off-load.

  • Comment 72, posted at 09.05.16 17:53:59 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Ben: rate francois venter,too.doubt it will happen though,with him being capt at cheetahs.can play 13/12.with jpp leaving and question mark over the return of joe p there should be some money available for player recruiting.actually think dan dup,ew viljoen and wilco louw can happen.

  • Comment 73, posted at 09.05.16 17:57:58 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • Heimar is also a good no12.playing the aussie conference next season.

  • Comment 74, posted at 09.05.16 18:03:23 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 72) : Nadolo is a “freak” as a big guy should not be able to do what he can do. Still think Andre will do well to lose a bit of his bulk.

  • Comment 75, posted at 09.05.16 18:10:46 by JD Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 71) : @50shadesofshark (Comment 73) : yes don’t think Venter will sign for the Sharks, also don’t think Sharks will sign another tight head as they now have 3 (Ariaanse, Thomas and Coenie). Think Gold might be in the market to sign a 12 as seemingly he does not rate any other 12 at the Sharks.

  • Comment 76, posted at 09.05.16 18:15:53 by JD Reply
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  • @JD: imo thomas is a no1 who can play no3.coenie also.play coenie at no1 in the impact role (30mins)and see his value.

  • Comment 77, posted at 09.05.16 18:47:20 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 75) :
    That’s a misconception. It’s the same discussion as saying NZ has intrinsically better players hence the ability to play a more dynamic game.

    It all comes down to how the guys are coached, the roles they are given and how the game plan emphasises specific strengths and weaknesses.

    Nadolo was unknown 2 or 3 seasons ago and he’s already 28. No doubt he is a great physical specimen, but he’s developed well under good coaching.

  • Comment 78, posted at 09.05.16 18:58:38 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 77) : not what I’m thinking it’s what the players and Sharks think. Coenie was signed as a tight head and Thomas wants to shift over to tight head.

  • Comment 79, posted at 09.05.16 19:40:06 by JD Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 78) : please tell that to the Ozzie under 20 coach. In 2008 he played for Oz under 20 and from 2010 for Fiji. He played most of his senior rugby in Europe and Japan so maybe he was unknown in SA/Southern hemisphere but for sure he did not become big strong and fast after signing for the Saders. So yes maybe Saders worked on his skills etc but it’s not as if he did not have huge potential prior to joining them.
    As for NZ players skills vs SA players skills I personally believe it all starts in junior/Primary schools rugby. Starting to work on a players skills as a 20 year old you will never have the same skills as a player that started with skills training as an 10-13 year old.

  • Comment 80, posted at 09.05.16 19:52:49 by JD Reply
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  • @JD: before nadolo signed for the saders,you would only find mention made of him if you google searched rugby union biggest wing.being coached by the saders -and how he is being used in the game plan-,has taken his game to the next level.

  • Comment 81, posted at 09.05.16 20:11:31 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 81) : no matter how good a coach is they can’t coach “talent” just like they can’t coach speed and size. As a youngster he had the potential he just needed the right attitude and coaches to reach his full petential.

  • Comment 82, posted at 09.05.16 20:39:16 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 82) :

    “As a youngster he had the potential he just needed the right attitude and coaches to reach his full petential.”

    That’s exactly what 50 and I are saying. The difference is that you seem to think it’s some special “talent” he has. I see it as simply a good skills set being very well utilised by an exceptional coaching unit. The guy is no Sonny Bill.

    The Crusaders have a long history of playing explosively powerful outside backs in similar roles – from Caleb Ralph to Robbie Fruean.

    Nadolo played in the NH because he wasn’t picked here. He didn’t progress in Oz cos he wasn’t good enough at that stage and they strongly prefer skillful players. There is no shortage of 110+kg Pacific Islanders playing in the backline. Credit to the guy that he has taken his chance, but I’m not clear on what his exceptional skill set is supposed to be.

  • Comment 83, posted at 09.05.16 21:03:09 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 83) : so what do you call a guy with that size and speed just average? The guy is as big as our props but yet has the speed of our wingers and for me that will always make him extra special. Yes the Saders coaches is using his talent to the fullest but that does not change the fact that he is special as a guy of that size should not be as fast.
    Anyway to get back to Andre I don’t think we can use Nadolo as an example to say he does not need to lose weight as they’re not nearly the same rather think of Frans Steyn or Riaan Swanepoel that “bulked up” so much that they lost their ability to side step. Personally I believe Andre will be a better player if could lose a bit of his bulk.

  • Comment 84, posted at 09.05.16 22:18:12 by JD Reply
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  • I’m not sure who watched the Sharks v WP CC game..Sithole had a great game..he had a fantastic run and bounced someone (which I can’t stop watching) and smashed the WP fullback..high work rate throughout the game..makes no sense why Odwa is keeping him out..he should be in prime and his missing out to someone that’s ending his career..Gary Gold must have a personal issue with him..I wish I could post the clip of S’bura bounce..if u have not seen it make a point of getting it..just hope we don’t lose him.

  • Comment 85, posted at 10.05.16 07:19:30 by Esmo Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 83) : Have you watched him in the Sharks – Crusader game? He does not just use his bulk to smash people. He has a great offload, excellent work rate and a huge boot. One of his exit kicks from his 22 ended in a lineout almost on our 22.

  • Comment 86, posted at 10.05.16 08:12:21 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 61) : @Ben (Comment 66) : You guys are missing my point. Im not saying Fekitoa isnt a beast and an explosive player…but on Saturday he only did the basics and caught and passed, same as the highlanders 13…but what their simple play did do was bring into the game a lot more their strike runners on the wings and fullback. So my point was that its not essential to have these hot steppers in midfield if you have guys that are able to utilise the explosive runners on the outside.

  • Comment 87, posted at 10.05.16 08:12:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 86) : Plus he is a pretty decent goal kicker too.

  • Comment 88, posted at 10.05.16 08:14:08 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • As for Andre…i will still stand by my belief that if he loses 10kg he will be a much more agile and dynamic player. If he keeps bulking he will become a flank playing at 12 which is the SA trend i guess.

  • Comment 89, posted at 10.05.16 08:14:09 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Esmo (Comment 85) : problem is currently Odwa is tried and tested so he’s the safe option and therefore Gold will use him more.

  • Comment 90, posted at 10.05.16 08:20:14 by JD Reply
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  • @Esmo (Comment 85) : Been saying this for a while now,its a total mystery to me how the mind of Gold works.
    Take Claassens as an example is it just a coincidence that we turned a corner the minute he was in the starting line up,or Coennie,is it a coincidence that we stopped giving away scrum penalties the moment he was dropped.

  • Comment 91, posted at 10.05.16 08:21:08 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 89) : agree 100% with you!

  • Comment 92, posted at 10.05.16 08:28:27 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 91) : yes ;-P

  • Comment 93, posted at 10.05.16 08:29:27 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 84) :
    Look, maybe our issue partly lies in that you call his freakish physical abilities a talent – I agree that it’s pretty exceptional, but I’d call it an athletic ability – just semantics, but perhaps causing a bit of confusion.

    However, look at how SA uses players like that. Pierre Spies was a far quicker wing with amazing strength, but we couldn’t maximize his talent. Yet look at him now – scored an amazing try recently for example.

    I would argue that Kanko, Joe van Niekerk, Daniel and even old Skinstad are also examples of the many great SA athletes who had as much (probably more) skill than Nadolo, Fruean, etc, but our playing style and coaching choices meant that they were good forwards, instead of the great backs they could have been.

    @Bokhoring (Comment 86) :
    I’m not saying Nadolo doesn’t have a good skill set. I’m saying he doesn’t have an exceptional one. Look at what he is able to do now compared to when he first got to the Crusaders. Think back to Robbie Fruean’s development at the Crusaders as well. Then compare someone like Sithole whom we are still worried about when it comes to handling. That’s a telling comparison on what’s natural versus nurtured.

    To add to that, I’ve seen JP kick just as far, and then shank them 20 meters. That’s about technique and practice, even though he has the “skill” to do it. The skills you develop are the ones you focus on – and guess where that direction comes from.

    @SheldonK (Comment 89) :
    The fact is that Fekitoa creates opportunities for players around him because he is such a threat at 13. That’s the benefit of a strike runner closer in at 13.

  • Comment 94, posted at 10.05.16 08:30:47 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @SheldonK: did not watch the game in question,but maybe it was because the landers centres are such an attacking threat that the opp centre pair was focused on defending them,as were opp loosies?this should mean there is space on the outside for the wings and fullback to use.but that space is created due to the landers centres attacking threat with their explosive running.

  • Comment 95, posted at 10.05.16 08:33:38 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 89) :
    Im just curious to know what the belief is based on – genuinely.

    Unlike Frans or Rian Swanepoel mentioned above (or even Nonu), he seems pretty lean to me (admittedly on tv). I’d say he is built more like JP than those 2. And like I said, he competes well in the air, so he’s got explosive power too.

  • Comment 96, posted at 10.05.16 08:34:09 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 95) :
    Exactly. Think Sonny Bill for example.

  • Comment 97, posted at 10.05.16 08:36:32 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 94) : yes the way SA and NZ approach rugby is like the North vs South poles. Our “obsession” with size start in Primary school where a 130kg 13 year old is a match winner so there is very little emphasis placed on skills and more on size. Unless that changes SA will always struggle to create players like SBW.

  • Comment 98, posted at 10.05.16 08:42:04 by JD Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 95) : think your spot on! I would like Andre to be used in the same way to create space for Jordaan and co.

  • Comment 99, posted at 10.05.16 08:45:24 by JD Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 96) : Andre is not fat or overweight just think he’s carrying to much muscles if he can lose 5-10kg he will still be strong but could get a bit of agility.

  • Comment 100, posted at 10.05.16 08:49:19 by JD Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 96) : The belief is based on seeing him play live and at the gym etc. He just looks heavy and not as agile as he could be. He is also not quick off the mark…or very quick in general. Im not sure i can recall when last i saw him being good in the air so ill will have to take you word for it. Look im not saying he cant play well as he is…i just think he could be that much better and more agile/quicker if he lost 10kgs.

  • Comment 101, posted at 10.05.16 09:45:51 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I don’t think losing 10 kg is possible for him. He is not overweight or muscle bound like a bodybuilder either. Losing 10 kg might create a health issue. Remember gym work is not what it used to be. It’s more functional training, not trying to make your muscles look pretty. So he can’t train less otherwise he won’t function optimally. That leaves eating less, which is never a good idea. He is still young and growing. He might eventually have to move to flank, anything is possible if the Great White said so. ;-)

  • Comment 102, posted at 10.05.16 10:48:53 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 101) : He is a devastating tackler that can drive most players back in the tackle, but steppers running good angles occasionally do catch him a bit flat-footed on defense.

  • Comment 103, posted at 10.05.16 10:52:39 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Southern_Shark (Comment 102) : You would be surprised how easy it would be for him to lose 10kg…

  • Comment 104, posted at 10.05.16 10:59:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 103) : I really dont think losing 10kg will make him any less of a tackler. Will just make him more agile. Seems the idea here is bigger is better…thought we were moving past that in SA…

  • Comment 105, posted at 10.05.16 11:01:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 105) : I think Andre is a particular type of player, losing weight will not help him much. He may get a bit quicker, but his pattern of play will not change. He is no Nonu or Bill Williams, he can’t seem to run with the ball in two hands and I do not see much of a swerve or step on him. He does his job, getting over the advantage line. He will never be a Nonu as he does not have the required skill set, however, he can be devastating in a particular role, ie – Jamie Roberts of Wales

  • Comment 106, posted at 10.05.16 11:11:35 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @SheldonK (Comment 105) : If he’s planning on losing weight, I hope he donates his extra rations to Hyron Andrews.

  • Comment 107, posted at 10.05.16 11:24:53 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 106) : must say I also think he can be a bit lighter. He will never be SBW but he’s still young and can add some variation to his play without losing his ability of crossing the gain line.

  • Comment 108, posted at 10.05.16 11:25:21 by JD Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 107) : ice cold!

  • Comment 109, posted at 10.05.16 11:27:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 106) : Hmm you make a possible point. I just look at when he first arrived at the Sharks- a lot lighter. He was quite a devastating player but the jump to senior and the role we want from a 12 has meant he has bulked up to be that ‘flank’ type player. At the end of the day i cant see him losing any weight but rather think he will be around 115kg by next year.

  • Comment 110, posted at 10.05.16 11:27:51 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 107) : give Hyron time he will mature and get bigger if given time.

  • Comment 111, posted at 10.05.16 11:28:21 by JD Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 106) : Jamie Roberts is EXACTLY the guy that Andre should be looking to emulate. And a guy like that can be a devastating weapon if used correctly.

  • Comment 112, posted at 10.05.16 11:28:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 107) : No no forwards must get from their own ‘fat man’ Coenie…the backs needing help include Curwin Bosch

  • Comment 113, posted at 10.05.16 11:29:49 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 112) : He is a good player..im just not a fan hey

  • Comment 114, posted at 10.05.16 11:31:16 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 112) : is Jamie not a bit faster than Andre? I’m personally afraid that Andre will become a crash ball specialist when I believe he could be more like Nonu.

  • Comment 115, posted at 10.05.16 11:35:01 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 112) : Ja exactly, he is devastating for Wales and Andre can be the same.

    @JD (Comment 115) : More like Nonu, Nonu is a natural ball player, he runs with the ball in two hands, he is a great. Andre will never be able to be like that, he does not have that skill set. He must play a game suited to his strengths.

    He is very young and will keep getting stronger.

  • Comment 116, posted at 10.05.16 11:37:26 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @vanmartin (Comment 107) :
    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Hyron is a member of the gym founded by Allistair Hargreaves.

    @SheldonK (Comment 105) :
    I actually thought that we might be moving past the idea that size alone should define where a player plays – and allow space for something a bit more esoteric – like actual skill.

    The idea that Andre is too big to be centre and should for example move to flank is squarely in the stampkar rugby camp. If NZ followed that logic then guys like Nonu, Nadolo, Fruean and Julian Savea would all be in the forwards. And lets just remember that the former 3 were pretty famous for poor handling skills at the outsets of their careers – but then they were actually coached at some point in their careers…

  • Comment 117, posted at 10.05.16 11:40:47 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 117) : The problem is a big guy that can ‘dominate a tackle’ such as Andre still seems to be the preference over a skillful player such as a Robert Ebersohn, as an example. As i said i think Andre can do a good job at centre and he did play well on Saturday..i just think losing 10kg can make him play better. Others say he needs to stay big..now that for me is saying a guy needs to be big as he has nothing else. Nonu is a big guy but he is at optimal weight to be agile and quick…on the other hand a guy like France’s Bastereau (excuse spelling) is also big..but he is definitely not at optimal weight but is still a very useful centre but if he lost a good few kgs he could be better.

  • Comment 118, posted at 10.05.16 11:48:46 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 118) : Just a curious question…what was Andre’s height and weight when he first joined the Sharks compared to now?

  • Comment 119, posted at 10.05.16 11:50:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 117) : I’m not saying they must change his whole game but little changes can be made to improve his skills to be more like Nonu than Willem Alberts (nothing against Alberts but he’s not a 12).

  • Comment 120, posted at 10.05.16 11:52:33 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 118) : I’m going to stop with this now as I don’t think the other people see what we see and/or don’t understand what we are trying to say. Andre is a very good player but could be an even better player if he’s 5-10kg lighter.

  • Comment 121, posted at 10.05.16 11:57:54 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 121) : Yeh that comment pretty much sums it up. Id still like to know how much he weighed when first arrived compared to now though for interest sake…

  • Comment 122, posted at 10.05.16 12:00:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 122) : wonder if Rob could get that stats as it would be interesting to know if he picked up weight since joining the Sharks.

  • Comment 123, posted at 10.05.16 12:04:18 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 121) :
    Lets agree to differ.

    I just have not seen any rational/ objective basis for this belief that he will suddenly improve if he loses weight. It seems a personal opinion at most.

  • Comment 124, posted at 10.05.16 13:41:26 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 124) : It’s actually quite simple; those chubby cheeks of his bulge upwards into his field of vision, which cuts down his peripheral awareness, particularly of low objects. Which is why he is proficient under the high ball (because he’s looking up), but often grasses slightly low passes. So losing weight will certainly lead to an improvement in his performance. You had better apologise to Sheldon and JD; as you can clearly see their opinions have been rational and objective… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 125, posted at 10.05.16 14:03:19 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Seems as though being the correct weight is not the problem but rather its bad coaching…so Matt Stevens wasnt overweight and out of shape…he was just badly coached :)

  • Comment 126, posted at 10.05.16 14:13:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 125) :
    :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 127, posted at 10.05.16 14:28:07 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 124) : yes for sure it’s my personal opinion but losing bulk alone will not suddenly make him a better player. He (and the other players) needs to be coached to improve his skills. For his future big or small he will need to work on his skills because if he does not add skills opposition sides will work out what he’s all about and will work out a strategy to nullify him and that is not an opinion that’s a fact!

  • Comment 128, posted at 10.05.16 14:46:43 by JD Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 125) : just for interests sake (and maybe if I run into him in future) not for once did I say he had chubby cheeks I personally feels he’s carrying to much muscles and can tone down a bit, but I will take your apology thanx ;-P

  • Comment 129, posted at 10.05.16 14:50:10 by JD Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 107) : Or maby he is taking Hyrons’ food. Bullying must be rooted out!!! :twisted:

  • Comment 130, posted at 10.05.16 16:36:16 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 124) : The guy is not carrying a lot of extra weight. Maybe if he muscled up his upper body (not a guarantee of less weight) he would have a stronger pump and thus increase his acceleration from a standing start.

  • Comment 131, posted at 10.05.16 17:19:34 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 131) : Besides being a stepper and agile is a state of mind thing too. Most (not all) big men are used to running through things and taking the confrontation. Smaller guys tend to evade and find ways around so naturally they build up speed to help them with this. Andre is probably too used to going head on and to change him now would probably not suit his style. So make use of it and teach him some usefull things like offload and tackle breaking.

  • Comment 132, posted at 11.05.16 06:41:26 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 132) : personally think that mindset is a problem that starts with school coaches picking big kids to run over smaller kids so they don’t teach them skills.

  • Comment 133, posted at 11.05.16 08:07:54 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 133) : You are correct and the school level coaching not just in that aspect, is what the club and union level coaches have such a hard time to get rid of. In most cases when stressed some players fall back to what they were taught in formative years. In most cases by some wannabe PT or history teacher who happens to coach the rugby team with no professional or high level experience themselves.

  • Comment 134, posted at 11.05.16 09:18:54 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 134) : some coaches have lots of experience and coaching qualifications but it’s worked for them for 100 years so why change it!

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