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A special performance deserves extra-special reward


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 11 May 2016 at 09:13
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You didn’t think the Sharks were really going to be able to select only four special jersey recipients after Saturday’s fabulous win over the Hurricanes, did you? Of course not…

In fact, it looks like no fewer than seven players have been recognised in one way or another (although let’s be honest, all 23 did a pretty formidable job).

Andre Esterhuizen and Jean-Luc du Preez were each seen sporting a pink “best tackler” jersey at training this week. Stats differ according to source, but one site that I checked had each of them contributing around 14 tackles to the effort. More important than the number of hits, though, was the impact of those tackles, with both players regularly showing great strength to turn the momentum of those breakdown situations. Well done both!

The green jerseys for best overall work rate in the game went to Michael Claassens and JP Pietersen. It takes something special for backline players to be recognised for the sheer volume of contributions made in a game and these two certainly stood out with their involvement in all that was good about the Sharks game on Saturday.

Chiliboy Ralepelle showed his worth and was rewarded with the red-and-white polka-dot “best attitude” jersey.

Unsurprisingly, the official man-of-the-match Keegan Daniel was handed a yellow jersey for the week, but so too was another who was very close to him on the day, Daniel du Preez. In what was hands down his best ever performance at this level, the taller du Preez twin shook off all criticism levelled during the week and turned in a truly stunning showing of power play from number 8.

Well done to all of the winners and safe travels to Argentina today.



121 Comments

  • Really glad that Keegan was recognized, one of my all time favorite players.

  • Comment 1, posted at 11.05.16 09:25:06 by Bump Reply
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  • Great to see the players getting rewarded for an excellent performance!

  • Comment 2, posted at 11.05.16 09:25:52 by JD Reply
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  • Think the sharks coaches base these awards after reviewing the data supplied from the company @Morne mentioned.

  • Comment 3, posted at 11.05.16 09:29:55 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 3) : really hope it’s not the same auditors that Varsity cup use?!?! ;-P

  • Comment 4, posted at 11.05.16 09:36:52 by JD Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 3) : The coaches would use the stats that their own analysts give them based on their data collection program and coding.

  • Comment 5, posted at 11.05.16 09:39:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Saw ruan botha at sharks training on the news last night

  • Comment 6, posted at 11.05.16 09:40:08 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • Any news on the actual names of the 25 guys that travelled to Arg this morning? I assume its the same match day 23 plus Coenie and Cooper.

  • Comment 7, posted at 11.05.16 09:40:39 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 6) : or it just could be an old clip they used (especially if it was SABC)?!

  • Comment 8, posted at 11.05.16 09:43:39 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 7) : They’ve told me they aren’t going to name a tour squad, but will rather just do a team announcement tomorrow morning.

    It’s not the same 23 + Coenie and Kyle though. I know for a fact Tera is on the plane.

  • Comment 9, posted at 11.05.16 10:03:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) : thanx. Will maar have to wait for tomorrow.

  • Comment 10, posted at 11.05.16 10:08:16 by JD Reply
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  • Wish there was a jersey for ‘keeping your cool’. Garth April needs a jersey for handling himself so well against a damn good team.

  • Comment 11, posted at 11.05.16 10:14:56 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) : Ah ok cool, thanks for the update. Anyone got an inside man at the airport about who got on the plane? haha I know Paul Jordaan has a pilots license so maybe he is flying it.

  • Comment 12, posted at 11.05.16 10:21:55 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 4) : Its been very quiete on that front, Duitsers friend must still be looking for that loophole.

  • Comment 13, posted at 11.05.16 10:23:39 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 11) : i know im leading on from your point but with April doing so well, Elton Janjies playing well and Pollard being the incumbent (although injured) flyhalf…what are peoples thoughts of lambie giving the 12 position a full go? There arent really any 12s putting up their hands consistently in this country and he definitely has the skills etc to play there. I know people want him to be the no.1 flyhalf…but was just a thought based on his struggles to get that Bok 10 jersey

  • Comment 14, posted at 11.05.16 10:25:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 12) : Match 23 + Cooper, Joe Pietersen and Tera. Sounds like JL Doop might be sitting this out with a niggle.

  • Comment 15, posted at 11.05.16 10:40:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) : Interesting. Makes sense JL DuPreez getting a rest. But big call to only take the match day props. If one goes down before Saturday them someone is going to need to be on a speedy flight

  • Comment 16, posted at 11.05.16 10:49:36 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 14) : Good question. Wonder how he (Pat) would feel about playing 12. He would still be close to the action and will still be able to influence the backline if needed. Arrgghh… that is a problem for later. I just hope that he can play the remainder of the season without anymore setbacks. Not sure if he would have done enough by the time the June Test window arrives but let’s see.

    Also don’t want to jump the gun but how do you guys feel about April as a possible Bok 10 for the future? Do you think he has what it takes at the next level?

  • Comment 17, posted at 11.05.16 10:49:59 by Farlington Reply

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  • ok wait

    This is confusing.

    Players who are on the plane (based on pics I’ve seen)

    Coenie
    Beast
    Franco
    Ettas
    Giant
    Tera
    Joe P
    JPP
    Pat
    Willie
    Lwazi
    Odwa
    S’bura
    Garth
    Stefan U

  • Comment 18, posted at 11.05.16 10:53:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 15) : very much thank you sir!

  • Comment 19, posted at 11.05.16 10:56:27 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 14) : de Allende will be bokke 12.

  • Comment 20, posted at 11.05.16 10:59:03 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 14) : personal opinion is he is a world class flyhalf. I don’t want to see him play in any other position.
    Garth has had two very good games, but he is a young raw talent and what he’ll learn from shadowing Pat is invaluable for his career. He is not in the same class of Pat yet.
    Also I really like Andre at 12 and Jordaan at 13. Their constanting styles, physiques, and abilities make for such a potent combination that is really starting to shine and cause major problems for the opposition.

  • Comment 21, posted at 11.05.16 10:59:48 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 20) : De Allende has been pretty horrible at 12 since the RWC to be fair.

  • Comment 22, posted at 11.05.16 11:00:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Farlington (Comment 17) : he has potential but next season will give a better indication as then he will not be an unknown factor like now.

  • Comment 23, posted at 11.05.16 11:01:09 by JD Reply
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  • @Farlington (Comment 17) : Pat said in an article he would be open to it but that its not something any coach has spoken to him about as yet. In terms of April…he will need to show that he can produce consistently at this level before i consider him Bok material…im just not sure he will get that constant chance though with Lambie likely to be the 10.

  • Comment 24, posted at 11.05.16 11:02:16 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @gregkaos (Comment 21) : Are Pat and Garth not pretty similar in age? I know experience wise they are far apart. I agree that pat is fantastic flyhalf. My thoughts were as a result of him continually struggling to get that Bok 10 jersey and that there arent really any good 12s currently to be honest. Andre is doing well at what he can do but is limited in what he can do.

  • Comment 25, posted at 11.05.16 11:04:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) : I heard T Du Toit, J Schoeman and H Andrews all staying behind to play CC

  • Comment 26, posted at 11.05.16 11:06:09 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @SheldonK (Comment 22) : just to be clear I did not say he was good or must be the bokke 12 I just said he will be the bokke 12 ;-)

  • Comment 27, posted at 11.05.16 11:07:29 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 25) : Pat was born in 1990 and Garth was born in 1991 so he’s one year younger than Pat.

  • Comment 28, posted at 11.05.16 11:11:44 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 27) : Oh yeh i knew that dont worry :)

  • Comment 29, posted at 11.05.16 11:17:27 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 28) : Ah ok as i thought, he isnt actually a youngster. But both arent that old either.

  • Comment 30, posted at 11.05.16 11:18:07 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 25) : don’t like to compare us with other countries but Oz regularly picked a flyhalf at 12. Thinking back to 1995 Hennie le Roux played flyhalf for the Lions but was picked at 12 for the Bokke so it’s not impossible to let Pat play flyhalf for the Sharks and 12 for the bokke as I think it’s not that different but then again don’t take my word for it as a old prop/hooker I’ve never played there.

  • Comment 31, posted at 11.05.16 11:19:15 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 29) : just had to tease you a bit! ;-D

  • Comment 32, posted at 11.05.16 11:21:16 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 31) : No you make a good point. Oz and NZ often have picked a guy at 12 that played 10 for his provincial side. There are however a lot of people that wouldnt like that though, they want the Bok 12 to play 12 for his provincial side.

  • Comment 33, posted at 11.05.16 11:25:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 30) : can’t believe Pat is only 25!!! Both players are still young but what is against April is the youngsters coming up from age group rugby. Guys like Inny and Curwin will add a lot of competition for the position.

  • Comment 34, posted at 11.05.16 11:28:03 by JD Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 26) : that would be consistent with what I’ve seen so far.

  • Comment 35, posted at 11.05.16 11:29:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 33) : to be 100% honest I can’t see AC picking a player that plays flyhalf for his province as the bok 12 so that’s why I think that de Allende will be the bokke 12.

  • Comment 36, posted at 11.05.16 11:33:11 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 36) : Yeh i think the same too.

  • Comment 37, posted at 11.05.16 11:37:39 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 34) : Yeh they are basically still kids. What deos stand in garth’s favour is that he will have the experience at this level that Radebe and Bosch dont have yet. Also i wouldnt be surprised to see Bosch play a lot at 15.

  • Comment 38, posted at 11.05.16 11:39:00 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Yes think curwin bosch should be tried at no15.think mckenzie.slightly built but lots of skill and a goal kicker.

  • Comment 39, posted at 11.05.16 11:54:31 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 38) : going to be tough to find places for Inny, Curwin, Pat, Garth and Willie but hope coach can keep them all happy as they’re really good and Sharks will need the depth for Super rugby.

  • Comment 40, posted at 11.05.16 11:58:01 by JD Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 39) : does seem as if he might be tested at 15 to see what he can do. He might even play 15 for the u20′s.

  • Comment 41, posted at 11.05.16 12:00:12 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 25) : i do agree that 12 is a worry spot for Boks. I’m confident that Pat will be called up for the Boks, 1st choice or not, as a 10. His cool calm demeanor esp. under pressure, and experience will be very hard to overlook for AC.

  • Comment 42, posted at 11.05.16 12:04:32 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 42) : Yeh i would agree with you. The 12 pick could be quite interesting with all of De Allende, Serfontein, Mnisi, Venter all in with a shout i think

  • Comment 43, posted at 11.05.16 12:24:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @gregkaos (Comment 42) : @SheldonK (Comment 43) : personally I think AC will go for Elton (if fit) and de Allende.

  • Comment 44, posted at 11.05.16 12:35:13 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 44) : Will be interesting to see if any of the guys AC worked with in 2007 with the Boks will be called up…

  • Comment 45, posted at 11.05.16 12:40:16 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Can’t say I don’t agree. Out loosies were fantastic. You can win games without turnovers and securing clean posession. That’s what we have been missing till now.

  • Comment 46, posted at 11.05.16 13:42:14 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 45) : called up or signed out of the retirement village?

  • Comment 47, posted at 11.05.16 13:52:07 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 44) : I see old Asfak is already campaigning for Kolbe to replace Willie as the starting fullback for the Boks.

  • Comment 48, posted at 11.05.16 13:53:16 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 48) : for sure Willie is old news Kolbe is the future!

  • Comment 49, posted at 11.05.16 14:04:16 by JD Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 46) : I meant you can’t win games without turnovers and securing clean posession. ..

  • Comment 50, posted at 11.05.16 14:10:45 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 50) : was thinking of giving you some greef about it but decided to give you a break.

  • Comment 51, posted at 11.05.16 14:15:19 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 49) : Personally I would have said Jesse Kriel would be the guy to take over fullback. We have plenty of good options at center.

  • Comment 52, posted at 11.05.16 14:17:09 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 49) : Willie is only 4 years older than Kolbe.

  • Comment 53, posted at 11.05.16 14:28:42 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 47) : Well if i can recall the guys that are still playing that AC worked with at the Boks… Bismarck DuPlessis, Jannie Duplessis,BJ Botha, Schalk Burger, Juan Smith, JP Pieterson, Brian Habana, Francois Steyn…cant think of anyone else.

  • Comment 54, posted at 11.05.16 14:32:00 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 54) : Why is it that BJ Botha went from being the starting tight head with the Boks in 2007, went overseas and got forgotten about immediately. But most who already played for the Boks who left kept on getting selected? I don’t follow the European tournaments so has he just been in poor form for the last 9 years?

  • Comment 55, posted at 11.05.16 14:35:17 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 55) : He went to Munster as far as i know and if i recall he did pick up and injury or two. From what i understand he has played well there. I remember him being recalled now and then but by and large he was the forgotten man. I think the Jannie/Bismark coupled selection was preferred

  • Comment 56, posted at 11.05.16 14:42:33 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 56) : That’s what I thought. I am curious as to why he was the “forgotten man”. It’s not like we have been flush with top end light heads recently.

  • Comment 57, posted at 11.05.16 14:56:21 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 57) : Out of sight out of mind theory perhaps?

  • Comment 58, posted at 11.05.16 15:10:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 52) : my comment was a bit tongue in cheek personally I don’t see any need to replace Willie. Think Kriel should stay at 13.

  • Comment 59, posted at 11.05.16 15:19:54 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 54) : only players I might like to see play for the Bokke is Bismarck and JPP the rest will not play in 2019 and don’t think Frans will be available.

  • Comment 60, posted at 11.05.16 15:23:16 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 59) : Agreed. Serfontein and Kriel need to stay as a combo, as do DeAllende and DeJong, Mnisi and Mapoe , Esterhuizen and Jordaan, Venter and Small-smith

  • Comment 61, posted at 11.05.16 15:24:24 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 60) : Both Bissie and JPP will be mid 30s in 2019…questions would be asked of their age then…but can definitely be part of the building years

  • Comment 62, posted at 11.05.16 15:25:58 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 57) : @SheldonK (Comment 58) : if my memory does not fail me some people had issues with his technique and saying he was not strong enough scrummer.

  • Comment 63, posted at 11.05.16 15:26:13 by JD Reply
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  • Hell the whole team deserves a special jersey!

  • Comment 64, posted at 11.05.16 15:29:49 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 59) : What do you think of Jordaan chances are of getting a call up for 13? I mean his defence is in the top 10 for most tackles and just a week or two ago he was tied for the best tackle vs missed tackle ratio as well.
    And we know how dangerous he is on attack.

  • Comment 65, posted at 11.05.16 15:32:26 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 63) : Interesting…i thought his scrummaging was one of his big strengths

  • Comment 66, posted at 11.05.16 15:32:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @gregkaos (Comment 65) : Could possibly make the squad….but in reality would be seen behind DeJong, Kriel and Mapoe probably. DeJong to 7s could give him a chance

  • Comment 67, posted at 11.05.16 15:36:14 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 61) : ja it’s nice if a combination can click together but don’t think it’s necessary to puck them as a combo for the bokke. Pick the best players in the position as at that level they should be able to “find” each other.

  • Comment 68, posted at 11.05.16 15:43:03 by JD Reply
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  • @Dragnipur (Comment 64) : yes they do and they already received it. It’s called a Sharks match jersey.

  • Comment 69, posted at 11.05.16 15:46:48 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 68) : Its not essential but it is good if combos are working well together. It does help with selections during a short prep period before a game.

  • Comment 70, posted at 11.05.16 15:48:49 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 66) : yes don’t think he was the best in the world but he was reasonable. Think with the arrival of Jannie he was forgotten.

  • Comment 71, posted at 11.05.16 15:50:31 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 71) : Yup especially with the belief that Jannie and Bissie need to be picked together

  • Comment 72, posted at 11.05.16 15:53:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 60) : i would really like to see frans put on a bok jersey again

  • Comment 73, posted at 11.05.16 15:59:17 by shrodingers cat Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 22) : he doesnt look like a natural rugby player, it looks like he took rugby up much later than most players,but if he can get coached properly he could be a great

  • Comment 74, posted at 11.05.16 16:02:30 by shrodingers cat Reply

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  • @gregkaos (Comment 65) : What really concerned me was how easily Jordaan was caught by Ardie Savea on Saturday. I was already celebrating that try. I wonder if he lost speed after that terrible injury?

  • Comment 75, posted at 11.05.16 16:03:45 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @shrodingers cat (Comment 74) : Interesting observation that. Do you think 12 is his best position?

  • Comment 76, posted at 11.05.16 16:05:27 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 75) : It was a build up of factors. If you look Jordaan is involved in the play from the turnover in the bottom right hand side of the field and follows the play all the way through to the opposition poles…pretty much going at full sprint the whole time. So i think fatigue in that sprint and Savea being pretty quick himself resulted in him being caught. Still should have been a penalty try as Savea knocked the ball down when Jordaan popped it to Lambie…it was missed by the refs though

  • Comment 77, posted at 11.05.16 16:07:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 77) : I understand your argument but Savea also had to get back from where play originated and he had to change direction. Perhaps it was fatigue, but I was very disappointed.

    It’s just such a pity that the Sharks didn’t get a bonus point in this game. They really deserved it.

    The other result that will haunt the Sharks this year is the draw against the Bulls.

  • Comment 78, posted at 11.05.16 16:14:36 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 78) : Yeh i thought Jordaan would still outlast him but Savea did do well to catch him…perhaps a case of Jordaan not going full out for the line but looking for support. They definitely did deserve the bonus point. As yeh that Bulls game they should never have drawn or come close to drawing. You also look at the close games against the Blues and Chiefs…and if Sharks had closed those out they would be sitting very pretty.

  • Comment 79, posted at 11.05.16 16:20:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 75) : To be fair savea is also very quick and was cutting the angle off Jordaan and blocking the pass to Pat which Jordaan was looking for.

    I’ve been in a situation like that against a mate on the other team, who I know I was faster than, and just couldn’t get around.

  • Comment 80, posted at 11.05.16 16:33:00 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 70) : yes it does but most of those combos have not played together for very long.

  • Comment 81, posted at 11.05.16 16:36:36 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 72) : hahaha ja.

  • Comment 82, posted at 11.05.16 16:38:10 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 76) : hes could play wing but he really seems out of sort so far . Sport 24 suggest Andre Esterhuizen is a contender for bok 12 , would love to see him play for the boks :smile: :lol:

  • Comment 83, posted at 11.05.16 16:47:36 by shrodingers cat Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) : So Ettas not getting a break then?

  • Comment 84, posted at 11.05.16 19:46:33 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 84) : sounds like Giant is due to start and Ettas to bench. So a “mini break”.

  • Comment 85, posted at 11.05.16 19:58:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @shrodingers cat (Comment 83) : don’t really think Andre is international standard yet.

  • Comment 86, posted at 11.05.16 20:48:11 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 85) : Giant really underwhelms me he is far too docile a player to play the current Sharks game,Andrews is a better bet but my personal choice all things being equal would be Botha.
    Strange we never saw the Namibian get a look in or is he like Potgieter an injured lemon who took us for a season in rehab.

  • Comment 87, posted at 11.05.16 20:51:26 by The hound Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 85) : @Bokhoring (Comment 84) : well at least he will only play 20 odd min instead of 80.

  • Comment 88, posted at 11.05.16 20:52:17 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 87) : Uanivi is playing in the CC team. Probably took Giant on tour as he is not allowed to play CC for the Sharks but Uanivi can.

  • Comment 89, posted at 11.05.16 20:59:16 by JD Reply
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  • I mentioned to a few guys at the beginning of the season that I thought Esterhuizen would end the season on the Bok radar.

    But I think he would be better served with a full SR and CC season in which to refine his play at this level and cut down his error rate. He will be a far more complete player by this time next year.

  • Comment 90, posted at 11.05.16 22:22:36 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 90) : not sure I like players getting selected for Bokke in their first season of senior rugby.

  • Comment 91, posted at 11.05.16 22:48:38 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 91) :
    I’m definitely not – except for truly exceptional players (Frans Steyn).

    I think Esterhuizen needs to be given the space to work on his game. There is no hurry.

  • Comment 92, posted at 11.05.16 23:00:27 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 92) : for sure and like you said he’s got time on his side so there’s no hurry.

  • Comment 93, posted at 11.05.16 23:53:46 by JD Reply
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  • I don’t think people fully appreciate what Garth brings to the table from 10. When last did SA have a flyhalf that is quick off the mark, can step, can distribute, can kick and understands the game? I like what I see. This guy has a bright future. Can’t wait for the CC to confirm my suspicions. He’s the real deal. There I said it.

  • Comment 94, posted at 12.05.16 00:26:42 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 94) : we do appreciate it and we are very grateful for depth in the position,as well as a player that offers something a bit different. He will get a lot of chances still,he did more than enough to earn the starting spot in CC ;)

  • Comment 95, posted at 12.05.16 07:29:17 by HeinF Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 94) : He has definitely shown he has a lot of ability and talent…now the question of whether he can do it consistently

  • Comment 96, posted at 12.05.16 08:10:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 94) : @HeinF (Comment 95) : @SheldonK (Comment 96) : the true class of April will only show next year when other sides had a chance to look at him and tried to find ways to stop him. If he can still perform as he’s doing now then I will also agree that he’s the real deal but for now he’s just a very talented player playing in his first senior season.

  • Comment 97, posted at 12.05.16 08:55:36 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 97) : Very true. Inny Radebe is also a quality player and if he stays fit will also push hard for that no.2 spot. Just slightly off topic kinda, but i read an interview with Johan Goosen asking bout him playing 13 for Racing Metro…he says he would prefer to play 10 but just loves being on the field so doesnt mind which position. Just interesting to read that and its not the first time ive head players say that they just want to play….very often coaches are blamed for ruining a player by playing him all over. Im still a fan of getting the best players on the field even if slightly away from their preferred position.

  • Comment 98, posted at 12.05.16 09:12:51 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 97) : yes,that is very true. I always forget that impact of a very thorough video analysis of players in the modern game. I still feel more positive about our depth and experience at 10 though,hoping April will prove that we can have a smaller,quicker 10 that can still defend just as well as any other. And very glad we have Lambie back for the business end of the season!

  • Comment 99, posted at 12.05.16 09:17:44 by HeinF Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 97) : when Lambie came onto the scene and scored that brilliant try in the CC, we didn’t qualify his talent and Bok future with a “let’s see him next year when teams have had a chance to study him.”

  • Comment 100, posted at 12.05.16 09:47:04 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 100) : If my memory serves me correct that try he scored in the CC wasnt his first year with the Sharks though? And even if it was he has also not exactly nailed down a Bok berth since then…so perhaps if it wasnt said back then perhaps it should have been. Israel Falou is another guy that was amazing in year 1 but has been found out a bit since. He is still a god player though so i expect him to come through this patch

  • Comment 101, posted at 12.05.16 09:51:19 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Sharks team announcement pushed back to 1pm SA time. Just to let you guys know.

  • Comment 102, posted at 12.05.16 10:09:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 100) : Why so worried? With CC and bok duty for Pat he will get plenty airtime. Besides which both he and Pat and play 15 as well there’s more than enough options for him.

  • Comment 103, posted at 12.05.16 10:28:13 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 103) : I reckon the Sharks CC selection could be very interesting indeed

  • Comment 104, posted at 12.05.16 10:36:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 98) : personally I don’t like playing players out of position. I believe the best players should be picked in each position but some players have the skills to adapt to different positions so that makes it difficult. I’m just glad I do not coach a provincial or international side!

  • Comment 105, posted at 12.05.16 11:48:54 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 105) : I do fully get that thinking, i really do and i see the benefit of it. I just take the case of say Janjies , Lambie, Leroux….all great players but if picked only in position only 2 of the 3 can play. But ideally you would want all 3 on the field as that gives you a better chance of winning. Just my opinion…and it works nicely with the younger age group kids…never had the chance to apply it to seniors.

  • Comment 106, posted at 12.05.16 12:00:03 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 100) : let’s be honest with each other, you can’t compare Lambie and April. Lambie was marked as a possible Bokke even before he left school so he was always known and was playing for the senior side whilst still eligible for the juniors. Although April was a talented youngster he was a bit of a journeyman (and I don’t mean any disrespect to him). He is only now at age 24 showing signed on delivering on the promise he showed as a youngster.

  • Comment 107, posted at 12.05.16 12:05:57 by JD Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 99) : for sure the Sharks seems to be OK at 10. I just hope most of them stay with the union and do not decide to move to other teams as they think there’s to much “competition”.

  • Comment 108, posted at 12.05.16 12:09:42 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 108) : Always the risk and we have lost a few talented players because of this, but we always manage with the ones that choose to stay with the sharks. Hopefully the younger guys will stay to fight for the starting spot, that will only improve their game

  • Comment 109, posted at 12.05.16 12:14:52 by HeinF Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 106) : I just think trying to “find” a place in a team can lead to problems. Take Christian Cullen in the 1999 World cup. All Blacks decided to play him at 13 (although he was probably the most dangerous 15 in the world) to have him and players like Wilson and Osborn on the field. What I can remember of it was that it was a huge failure as he was almost totally nullified. Think players must still have a “natural” talent to play on that position before just picking them.

  • Comment 110, posted at 12.05.16 12:21:23 by JD Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 109) : yes hope so. Luckily most of them can and did play other positions so will ease the “competition” part.

  • Comment 111, posted at 12.05.16 12:23:48 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 110) : I think that example is one of possibly just selecting all those guys in the wrong combos.I would prob have kept Cullen at 15 and played Osborne or Wilson at 13. As you say natural talent/skills for the position must be considered. like would be silly to play Lambie and Janjies at 9/10…But 10/12…well thats workable.

  • Comment 112, posted at 12.05.16 12:27:24 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 112) : I do agree on picking Elton and Pat at 10 and 1. All I’m saying is care should be taken to ensure that players can play in that position (and preferably played in the position a couple of time in lower leagues) before picking them for Super rugby or National teams.

  • Comment 113, posted at 12.05.16 12:41:42 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 102) : can’t wait any news yet?

  • Comment 114, posted at 12.05.16 12:51:44 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 113) : That is a good and fair point. Cant exactly have a loose forward playing prop and centre at 10. But seems those okes in the Australasian area can get it right quite often…

  • Comment 115, posted at 12.05.16 13:01:08 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 115) : even in SA you get guys like Schalk and Brok that play 10 but pack down in the scrums.

  • Comment 116, posted at 12.05.16 13:30:12 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 116) : Funny that both come from that Union down south…

  • Comment 117, posted at 12.05.16 13:34:01 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 117) : I know I just had to!!! ;-)

  • Comment 118, posted at 12.05.16 13:35:47 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 107) : Shocking response. How many school boy stars were marked as future Boks and their rugby careers never developed past u/21 provincial level or the CC side at best. Think that flank that was part of Jake White’s winning u/21, he was hailed as the next best thing, event got a visit from the Bok captain Krige himself. What about the likes of Juan Smith, Marcel etc that weren’t earmarked from school to be Boks. My point is, if player B is given the same opportunity as player A and performs as well as player A, let’s be fair and not put up these qualifications or reservations. To be clear, my debate was not about which player should start or not but addressing your reservations with player B which you never had with player A when they in my opinion a both very good. Ask yourself why are you having these reservations? You will then understand the root of our problems in SA when it comes to rugby.

  • Comment 119, posted at 12.05.16 13:38:07 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 119) : I think when it comes to April reservations are fully justified. Here is a guy that bounced between teams as he couldnt nail down a contract, so spent time playing club rugby, got picked up and catapulted into CC first producing ok performances, then now into super rugby where he has had a couple good games…just a couple. So hardly the pedigree to have no reservations. So yes he appears to have ability and talent..but in reality its only been shown in a couple of games at most. So reservations justified i believe

  • Comment 120, posted at 12.05.16 13:51:03 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 119) : can’t speak for any other person but I almost never call for a player to be a Bok in their first senior season. I believe a player should be selected for the national team after 2 or 3 seasons of playing top class rugby.
    For sure there’s exception like Pat and JPP that at 19 was just so good that they “had” to be selected but there’s also the other side of the coin where players like Gaffie du Toit and Johan Goosen that was still young and at the beginning of their senior career was selected and they could not handle it (either mentally or just not being physically ready).
    So I really can’t see what is so shocking about my response please do tell me?!

  • Comment 121, posted at 12.05.16 14:06:07 by JD Reply
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