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Sharks confirm Potgieter exit


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :In the news, Sharks, Super Rugby on 18 May 2016 at 13:56
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In a terse statement, the Sharks have confirmed that Jacques Potgieter will leave Durban to join the Bulls with immediate effect.

In the statement, John Smit said: “Injuries have unfortunately curtailed Jacques Super Rugby endeavours in 2016, which has prevented him from featuring for the Cell C Sharks. This move to Gauteng will provide greater opportunities for him and his fiancée, who are set to tie the knot shortly.

“We would like to take this opportunity to wish Jacques the very best for this new chapter he is pursuing.”



171 Comments

  • That is that then.need to follow johan du toit’s progress this season.

  • Comment 1, posted at 18.05.16 14:02:31 by 50shadesofshark Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 1) : Hopefully he carries on with his current form. Looks like he’s playing well.

  • Comment 2, posted at 18.05.16 14:03:45 by ChrisS Reply
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  • Wow. That must be the most polite F.. off I have read in a long time.

  • Comment 3, posted at 18.05.16 14:04:44 by Another Nick Reply

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  • Maybe the sharks can snag one from the bulls?bothma and potgieter making it pretty clear to some of the players where things are heading,I would suppose?

  • Comment 4, posted at 18.05.16 14:04:51 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • Arno Botha might need a change in scenery….

  • Comment 5, posted at 18.05.16 14:21:01 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • Wian Liebenberg also looks unhappy to me :twisted: and what are they going to do with Lappies…

  • Comment 6, posted at 18.05.16 14:23:06 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @Southern_Shark (Comment 6) : Lappies is going to Japan

  • Comment 7, posted at 18.05.16 14:25:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : Would have been quite a loose trio that… Lappies, Potgieter, Bothma…

  • Comment 8, posted at 18.05.16 14:28:17 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Thanks for leaving!So glad I don’t have to suffer through the rest of my life knowing he wore our beloved jersey! :twisted:

  • Comment 9, posted at 18.05.16 14:38:38 by BarendL Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : Another one bites the dust. :| Being at the Bulls wasn’t doing his career any good anyway.

  • Comment 10, posted at 18.05.16 14:38:46 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • I somehow doubt old Nollis will be able to harness Jackpot’s talents in the same way Michael Cheika did. I think old Nollie is gonna turn Jackpot into jackass

  • Comment 11, posted at 18.05.16 14:45:33 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • Hey new star! Thanks Rob. Id better start behaving now…

  • Comment 12, posted at 18.05.16 14:47:52 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 12) : do you drink coffee before you shave :P

  • Comment 13, posted at 18.05.16 14:55:45 by Zibbie Reply
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  • In the words of Rodrigues:- I wonder who is going to be next? :lol: Forgive me for this,but where does JS get his business sense from? :???:

  • Comment 14, posted at 18.05.16 14:56:14 by markm Reply

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  • Hey who knows, maybe we are getting rid of a few guys to bankroll a big signing…

  • Comment 15, posted at 18.05.16 14:59:46 by Quintin Reply

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  • @markm (Comment 14) : the back door of public toilets

  • Comment 16, posted at 18.05.16 15:02:47 by benji Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 13) : :grin: i dont get it?! feeling dumb.

  • Comment 17, posted at 18.05.16 15:05:18 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 15) : I don’t mind losing guys like Potgieter and Bothma if it means we keep the twins and Keegan. If we lose the twins though… then we have a big gap to fill.

  • Comment 18, posted at 18.05.16 15:05:22 by the-other-sharky Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 13) : I see what you did there

  • Comment 19, posted at 18.05.16 15:05:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @the-other-sharky (Comment 18) : agree, but I don’t think we’re going to lose the twins

  • Comment 20, posted at 18.05.16 15:06:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 13) : oh I think I got it now. You’re right. Its about time…

  • Comment 21, posted at 18.05.16 15:07:20 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : I also don’t think we are going to lose them, especially with their old man part of the coaching team now

  • Comment 22, posted at 18.05.16 15:11:00 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 12) : Lucky you, I have been stuck on 5 stars forever now…

  • Comment 23, posted at 18.05.16 15:12:33 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • If we were paying him all this time I’m going to be very upset

    someone please confirm ?

    I felt we needed his experience at blind side and lock

    Lets go out and buy Lood now

  • Comment 24, posted at 18.05.16 15:23:33 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 24) : Well Lood does not seem to be enjoying himself at the Cheetahs anymore.

  • Comment 25, posted at 18.05.16 15:24:54 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 21) : thank you!

  • Comment 26, posted at 18.05.16 15:27:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 13) : @robdylan (Comment 19) : Done! and painless!

  • Comment 27, posted at 18.05.16 15:27:53 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 24) : I trust the insurance The Sharks took out on him covered his costs etc. Aparantly how Cheeky bankrolled Luke at the Kings… This could really free up cashflow

  • Comment 28, posted at 18.05.16 15:34:32 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 25) : Lood does not seem to be enjoying the look of a rugby field right now.
    Jeepers, remember the days when that Bloem field was a slightly off white colour.

  • Comment 29, posted at 18.05.16 15:34:32 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Hmmm I guess that TV chick fiance of his just does not like Durban too much.

  • Comment 30, posted at 18.05.16 15:36:17 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • As he has never played for the Sharks I hope he hands back all his Sharks branded clothing before he hangs his blue oysters from his towbar in Pretoria.

  • Comment 31, posted at 18.05.16 15:38:32 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 29) : Can it be that he just does not enjoy the added responsibility of being the only star player in a team of duds, where he is expected to make everything happen? That would sap the energy out of anyone.

  • Comment 32, posted at 18.05.16 15:52:50 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 32) : I suspect that could have a lot to do with it, a few back to back wins will probably help in making him (and his team mates) enjoy the game a bit more.

  • Comment 33, posted at 18.05.16 16:33:49 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 19) : :)

  • Comment 34, posted at 18.05.16 16:44:21 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 27) : Cool . thank you . i enjoy Sharks world even as a Lions supporter

  • Comment 35, posted at 18.05.16 16:45:32 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 13) : @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 21) : @robdylan (Comment 26) : hahaha nice one Zibbie!!!

  • Comment 36, posted at 18.05.16 17:36:48 by JD Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 35) : and we also like you even as a Lions supporter! :twisted:

  • Comment 37, posted at 18.05.16 17:38:38 by JD Reply
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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 24) : personally I think the Sharks has enough cover at 7. He could have added a bit at 4.

  • Comment 38, posted at 18.05.16 17:41:56 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : I really hope you’re correct with that comment!!! Must say personally I think both Lottie and Bothma could have added a lot to the Sharks but both were injured for almost the whole season so I agree somewhat with the decisions to “release” them as the other guys did the work so let them just carry on doing it for the last 4 games!

  • Comment 39, posted at 18.05.16 17:45:45 by JD Reply
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  • I just don’t get the need for the sackcloth and ashes.

    He and Bothma have moved where they will get game time. We need to focus on retaining the twins.

    The guy was unfortunately injured after signing for us and we were probably paid out the balance of his contract, swelling the coffers to tempt the twins.

    What am I missing???

  • Comment 40, posted at 18.05.16 18:01:17 by Big Fish Reply
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  • FJELN or FOLN?

  • Comment 41, posted at 18.05.16 18:02:52 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 40) : Want to play a drinking game?
    Go to other rugga sites and have a slug each time you see a comment that suggests one of the following:

    1. Pottie signed with the Sharks after he got injured
    2. He got injured whilst playing for the Sharks
    3. He isn’t/has not been injured but due to not been selected for the team he is moving on

  • Comment 42, posted at 18.05.16 18:26:33 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 40) : I think it is fairly obvious what you are missing BF….an illogical or unreasonable sense of anger and/or panic. :mrgreen:

    Despite your reason and logic, I think many are frustrated that we made, what was then touted as a very big signing, and have not and will not experience a minute of game time. Of course, these same people would be shouting and screaming if either DuPreez twin or even Oosthuizen were displaced by Pottie.

  • Comment 43, posted at 18.05.16 18:41:31 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 43) :
    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Consider me suitably chastised!

  • Comment 44, posted at 18.05.16 18:46:35 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 44) : hahaha that will teach you!!!!

  • Comment 45, posted at 18.05.16 19:19:18 by JD Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 40) : @Dancing Bear (Comment 43) : yes it’s frustrating that yet another “big name player” spent more time in the medical centre than on the training field but to be 100% honest I’m not disappointed that he’s going. Up to now the Sharks were fine without him and I’m sure they will also be fine for the last 4 games!!!

  • Comment 46, posted at 18.05.16 19:26:13 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : correct me if I’m wrong but is he not the last of the “chronic injury squad” to leave?!?

  • Comment 47, posted at 18.05.16 19:30:23 by JD Reply
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  • Jacques who?
    … what a dick

    Good rithens

  • Comment 48, posted at 18.05.16 21:50:29 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • Question: why is it that other teams are able to negotiate players out of their current contracts and get them to commit to them for at least 2 years with no Japanese commit and we can’t?? Pathetic.

  • Comment 49, posted at 18.05.16 22:56:31 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 49) : maybe because the whole management/coaching structures of the Sharks has been in shambles since Plum got “released” and is only now settling down?! Or it could be that they’re just willing to pay the players more?!

  • Comment 50, posted at 18.05.16 23:27:53 by JD Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 49) : Good question. I am also curious as to why a guy who hasnt yet played a game for the Sharks or been available for selection decides he wants to leave? We must be missing something behind the scenes.

  • Comment 51, posted at 19.05.16 08:16:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 49) : @SheldonK (Comment 51) : yes I fully agree,something stinks,perhaps it points to the Sharks being in a worse financial position than we care to think

  • Comment 52, posted at 19.05.16 08:26:54 by benji Reply
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  • I’m just thinking here, most if not all these players that got released in the last couple of months Pottie, Bothma, Pietersen etc, the guys that only signed like a one year deal or so, probably got signed before with last years coaching team making the decisions, as we all know now, that was not a settled management team. Maybe now with RdP, Gold etc finally settling down, there is more cohesion and a shared vision of the type of player that they want to invest in. Also with the rise of the twins, April and Jordaan, I think they might have just decided to go for a more youthful team and buil these guys up into a winning unit.

  • Comment 53, posted at 19.05.16 08:30:52 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @benji (Comment 52) : I dont think you too far off the mark there. Id love to see a list of all the players currently contracted in some form by the Sharks…im sure there could well be some dead weight on that list…

  • Comment 54, posted at 19.05.16 08:40:36 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I read on another site that Potgieters soon to be wife is an actress and thats a big part of the reason for the move as there are no prospects in Durban for her acting career. Does make one think whey he signed here in the first place though…

  • Comment 55, posted at 19.05.16 08:56:50 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 51) : maybe it’s because he has played for the Bulls before and they offered him more money?! Don’t know just possible reasons that I can think of?!

  • Comment 56, posted at 19.05.16 09:05:38 by JD Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 52) : or maybe they don’t want to invest aot of money in a 30 year old player and would rather use the money to keep youngsters?!

  • Comment 57, posted at 19.05.16 09:07:17 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 55) : maybe to get back in SA market and no other team made him an offer?!?!

  • Comment 58, posted at 19.05.16 09:09:08 by JD Reply
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  • bit of a rant from Pottie on Twitter yesterday, Seems to indicate he was pushed.

    https://gyazo.com/49a4da30109a26e90cdf4a3aa25698b0

  • Comment 59, posted at 19.05.16 09:09:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 52) : @SheldonK (Comment 54) : paranoid much?!?! Since last year Sharks has released a couple of players that was deemed “unnecessary” (players like van Tonder, Marco, etc) so I do think current coaches/management is trying to build a young squad for the future by opening up match spots for younger players to try and convince them to stay in Durban.

  • Comment 60, posted at 19.05.16 09:16:43 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 47) : we still have Monde Hadebe and Francois Kleinhans on our books :)

  • Comment 61, posted at 19.05.16 09:20:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 59) : Interesting.

  • Comment 62, posted at 19.05.16 09:25:30 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 59) : very interesting indeed!!! Sound like you might be onto something.

  • Comment 63, posted at 19.05.16 09:26:23 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 61) : things are getting better, think two is the least we had in 10 years! ;-)

  • Comment 64, posted at 19.05.16 09:28:42 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 60) : Not paranoid…i would just be curious to know who all exactly is contracted in some form. Judging by the very woeful performances of this Sharks CC side and the junior sides in the past…perhaps there are more guys clinging onto contracts that really arent up to the grade. Not saying there are…would just be curious to know who the Sharks are paying and what return they are getting from those guys

  • Comment 65, posted at 19.05.16 09:32:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • team announcement in just under an hour, guys…. then we can talk about something important :)

  • Comment 66, posted at 19.05.16 09:37:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 65) : you are very keen to brand the Sharks CC side “woeful” after the one game you watched this last week, but that same side somehow managed to beat WP the week before.

  • Comment 67, posted at 19.05.16 09:38:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 65) : think a big problem for junior sides was that the Sharks did not contract a lot of u19 players (only about 5-10 players per season). Not sure how many junior players are currently under contract but don’t think it could be more than 25-30 players (excluding twins, Thomas, Andre and co).
    As for the “paranoid part” was referring to a comment that the Sharks are in a “worse financial situation than we think”. Yes times are tough but don’t think that’s to blame for some players signing 1 year contracts or others leaving.

  • Comment 68, posted at 19.05.16 09:42:11 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 66) : you saying this is not important?!?!?!?!?! ;-)

  • Comment 69, posted at 19.05.16 09:43:22 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 67) : To be fair the WP game is more the exception. They have been woeful in the other games i have watched as well. They are very unstructured…got a hiding in the rucks and mauls and handling especially passing was quite poor. Never mind the pretty timid tackling. So yes these guys are young and apparently have a lot of potential…but can only judge what they put on display. The young guys that have only been contracted for a year or 2 out of school can be forgiven…but guys that have been around for 3+ years…well its time to make a call

  • Comment 70, posted at 19.05.16 09:45:37 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 70) : The WP game was won more because of a great individual showing by the flyhalf, than any other reason.

  • Comment 71, posted at 19.05.16 09:47:54 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 66) : Haha thank god, this was getting stretched out. Just to add my last 2cents, Bulls seems to be requiting a lot of players, Jacobie Adriaanse is also joining them.

  • Comment 72, posted at 19.05.16 09:47:55 by Quintin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 59) : He sounds a little miffed. Maybe it came to a choice between him or the twins and he came 3rd?
    Do the Sharks have anything to say about it?

  • Comment 73, posted at 19.05.16 09:48:39 by the-other-sharky Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 67) : to be honest except that game the results does not look very good and it’s usually a good indicator of bad coaching or a side that’s just not very good.

  • Comment 74, posted at 19.05.16 09:48:47 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 68) : Reasons i believe we are not in a rosy financial position…top players are allowed to leave without any hint of a counter offer. Stadium maintenance is sorely required but only minimal patchwork done. Annual clubs grants were delayed in being paid out to the clubs again. Contract negotiations regarding a move to Moses Mabhida were started again suggesting the Growthpoint stadium deal is not to be renewed. So maybe its just me being a skeptical accountant…but i dont think we raking the cash in.

  • Comment 75, posted at 19.05.16 09:49:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 70) : I don’t think your argument is necessarily wrong, but I do think you need to acknowledge that there’s a plan with the Sharks XV this season and that plan is more about player development than it is about winning games.

    There are a lot of good prospects in that side, I’d say. Not all are good, but plenty are.

  • Comment 76, posted at 19.05.16 09:52:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 72) : And what can I bet you that if we were requiting a lot of players, many people on here would be asking “What about our youngsters?” :mrgreen:

  • Comment 77, posted at 19.05.16 09:52:22 by Quintin Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 76) : At the start of the season it was said that they would use that comp for player development and im fine with that. But then they need to develop the players. To be honest it looks like 15 individuals doing their own thing out there…and most of them arent doing it well. So im yet to see much development happening or progress. It honestly seems like a side is thrown together just to fulfill a fixture.

  • Comment 78, posted at 19.05.16 09:59:25 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 75) : yes that’s good points you’re making but also remember we do not know the reasons why any of this happened. Think today teams like the Sharks must be very carefully on what money is spent, as for Kingspark vs MM I personally think it’s only a matter of time before the Sharks moves over to MM only thing is to try and negotiate the best possible deal for the Sharks so that’s why repairs on KP are kept to a minimum.

  • Comment 79, posted at 19.05.16 10:00:42 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 79) : With you on that, a move seems like it’s going to happen some time, why waste money making long term fixes to a place you won’t be using for long anyway.

  • Comment 80, posted at 19.05.16 10:03:54 by Quintin Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 79) : Yeh look im not saying that Sharks are definitely in financial trouble and those are definite reasons why. I just think things are a bit tight and those points give evidence of that. So sound business decisions need to be made to take the team forward…if that means a youth policy then by all means…sustainability is the key in this environment.

  • Comment 81, posted at 19.05.16 10:04:57 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 59) : Not good at all. So now we are chasing players away. Wow. What’s the big idea? These guys must be in serious financial trouble or there is a serious purge of players. Either way, we need to know what’s the vision and strategy for the Sharks.

  • Comment 82, posted at 19.05.16 10:17:53 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 68) : yes they beat wp but suffered losses to boland,border and the free state.

  • Comment 83, posted at 19.05.16 10:20:37 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 83) : totaLly agree.I am actually stating to re-think my support of the coaching staff and smit.the supporters were really happy with the signing of potgieter.best sharks loosie combo imo would have been vd walt,potgieter,coetzee this season.unfortunate about potgieter’s injury.

  • Comment 84, posted at 19.05.16 10:25:27 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 78) : most of the youngsters in the system also recruited outside the sharks.youth only policy is not on I agree with .so if a player is recruited into the sharks at 18 or 30 is no issue to me.just what the player can offer the team.

  • Comment 85, posted at 19.05.16 10:28:52 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 79) : I agree, we don’t know the real reasons at this stage as to why. I also think the upgrades or lack thereof to KP might be more inline with a move to MM.

  • Comment 86, posted at 19.05.16 10:29:25 by Farlington Reply

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  • @the-other-sharky (Comment 73) : Off course not, they just put out a terse statement which says nothing, now take this statement of Potgieter and couple it to his promo article in the Sharks magazine and the picture really becomes blurry.
    Sharks admin once again doing what they do best.

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 82) : Share that vision when you get it, but beware of the peddlars of smoke, mirrors and black and white bulldwang.

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 88) : Peddlars of smoke and mirrors…hahaha im picturing ol Smitty cycling down NMR avenue holding a mirror and smoking his pipe hahaha

  • Comment 89, posted at 19.05.16 10:46:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 81) : also don’t think Sharks have endless money to buy and sell but I don’t think it’s critical they must just be smart when deciding on where and how to spent money.

  • Comment 90, posted at 19.05.16 10:58:11 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 90) : Well that is just good business in tight times then. people forget this country is pretty much in a recession.

  • Comment 91, posted at 19.05.16 10:59:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 82) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 88) : it’s a business so there will always be some “smoke and mirrors” as you can’t tell everyone what you plan on doing as it could be bad for business.

  • Comment 92, posted at 19.05.16 11:01:14 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 59) : FOLN it is! :grin:

  • Comment 93, posted at 19.05.16 11:07:31 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 92) : Agreed, but when it comes out that you have pushed someone rather than them having abused your hospitality, medical facilities etc like the majority think then it becomes another matter. Potgieter must have taken a lot of abuse about this – I dont think it was deserved if he was shafted.

  • Comment 94, posted at 19.05.16 11:34:11 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 95) : totally agree with you on that point.someone’s character is taking a beating and it seems unfairly so.

  • Comment 95, posted at 19.05.16 12:32:28 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 92) : one capitalist’s good business sense is another revolutionary’s match stick to the fire.need to be guided by a greater value system than profit.at the very least be honest and clear so everyone knows the reasons.

  • Comment 96, posted at 19.05.16 12:36:56 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 95) : Yep, I know I posted a snide remark or 2 about it which I would not have done if I had seen what he tweeted before.

  • Comment 97, posted at 19.05.16 12:41:00 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 96) : Profit without a value system is not ideal but a value system without profit is a doomed venture. Ideally you need both but its a tricky combo to manage sometimes as various stakeholders have differing values.

  • Comment 98, posted at 19.05.16 12:45:10 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 89) : :lol: Freewheel till just behind him and then hit the hooter, have dashcam recording. Post on Sharksworld.

  • Comment 99, posted at 19.05.16 12:50:24 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 99) : my concern is when board members of a company start letting people go so as to keep their lifestyle as is.

  • Comment 100, posted at 19.05.16 13:03:58 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 99) : I can see the Youtube hits racking up now…

  • Comment 101, posted at 19.05.16 13:13:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 100) : The employees have to keep the Board happy in order to keep their job…likewise the Board has to keep the shareholders happy in order to keep theirs…

  • Comment 102, posted at 19.05.16 13:14:30 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 103) : I’m arguing a totally different point.

  • Comment 103, posted at 19.05.16 13:41:40 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 103) : Its the same cost vs value argument. If the value is good then cost is justified and well vice versa

  • Comment 104, posted at 19.05.16 13:48:39 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 94) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 97) : @50shadesofshark (Comment 95) : for sure if he was “let go” the statement should have been clear.

  • Comment 105, posted at 19.05.16 14:52:49 by JD Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 100) : ja that’s not good business and I really don’t even want to think that it’s what’s happening now at the Sharks!

  • Comment 106, posted at 19.05.16 14:55:16 by JD Reply
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  • Who would want to be on the Sharks leadership team?

    - Chronically injured big-name guy seems to leave of his own accord – the “faithful” bleat about an inability to retain stars and weak contracting allowing abuse of our medical facilities.
    - Turns out that the same guy was considered surplus to requirements in the face of burgeoning youth and escalating medical bills – and now the moaning about showing guys the door starts.

    Wow

  • Comment 107, posted at 19.05.16 21:23:59 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 107) : ja must be fun!!! To be honest sometimes they do make a shambles with supplying information to the public!

  • Comment 108, posted at 19.05.16 21:26:37 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 108) :
    Would it have been fair for them to release a statement that Potgieter was a sick note who paled in comparison to the majesty of the twins and was thus being thrown out on his ear?

    Seems to me some people are just looking for things to bitch about.

  • Comment 109, posted at 19.05.16 21:43:44 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 109) :

    It does not change the fact that the way people exit from the Sharks lately, seems to be a shambles more often than not.
    The day, John Smit gets to be treated in the way he treats others can not be too far off.

  • Comment 110, posted at 20.05.16 03:08:03 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 109) : I think the Sharks might have for once looked at the future and made a difficult decision. Too be honest I would have done the same and that is no disrespect to JP. I mentioned before that he is not the future of the union but the youth we currently have could/will be. From his point thou, JP was sadly injured and that certainly did not help his situation nor was it his fault. His response to a public attack on his character is also understandable. He probably really wanted to represent the Sharks too “pay back” what they have done the first couple months during his injury. I also think he might have felt a little guilty (I probably would have felt the same) the whole time and just wanted to get out there and EARN his salary. So when the call was made just as he was getting ready to go out there the frustration, disappointment and fans attacking him personally might have been too much.

    And hopefully that is a lesson learnt, not to go out and attack these players publicly without considering all variables.

    But that is just my opinion and could be completely wrong ;-)

  • Comment 111, posted at 20.05.16 05:33:42 by Farlington Reply

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  • I think as much as the Sharks and Pottie want to both appear blameless in this they have to be aware of how this is seen in the public eye. Pottie was hailed as a high profile signing by the Sharks, he said he was glad to be coming to the Sharks to play. He arrives injured, stays injured, then just as he is about to regain fitness and play he signs a 2 year deal…not with a big money overseas team but with the Bulls. They can try ‘justify’ it as much as they like…the fans and public are fully entitled to feel pissed off.

  • Comment 112, posted at 20.05.16 08:11:55 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 112) :
    Pissed of about what exactly? The vagaries of injuries in professional sport? The Gods turning against us and allowing the twins to emerge as starters earlier than thought? The fact that we didn’t keep him on our books just to spite the Bulls?

    @fyndraai (Comment 110) :
    You mean we should rather try to emulate the dignified exits of guys like Pierre Spies, Francois Venter and Johan Sadie?

  • Comment 113, posted at 20.05.16 08:24:43 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 113) : What he is basically saying is he is pissed off that Potty would prefer to play for the Bulls and not the Sharks.I for one am not .Good riddance but hope our powers be have realised an important lesson medical check at the minute before the signature.

  • Comment 114, posted at 20.05.16 08:33:47 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 114) : Makes it a bit difficult in Rugby as players are signed midway through a season for the following one.

  • Comment 115, posted at 20.05.16 09:00:48 by Farlington Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 114) :
    Except that Potgieter himself basically confirmed that he was given the heave-ho by the Sharks; presumably in light of our current loose forward stocks and his own diminishing returns.

    What’s there to bitch about?

  • Comment 116, posted at 20.05.16 09:01:15 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Potgieter is not over the wall or finished.sharks slipped up here imo.sure eo and the dup twins have stepped up but I’m still of the opinion that potgieter fully-fit is the best no7 and maybe even the best no4.twins have also missed couple of games due to injury already this season.and can eo continue 2 seasons of the same workload?we might move lewies to no4 if botha is fit (no5 options lewies,botha,andrews),but potgieter adds immense value in that he can be a geniune starter at no4 and no7.

  • Comment 117, posted at 20.05.16 09:13:51 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 113) : @The hound (Comment 114) : Pissed off because he was hailed as a high value signing which is was. People making out that he is a crap player now just because he is leaving is a load of rubbish. He is a quality player and he was needed. So yes pissed off that he spends time during rehab here but never actually plays and adds the value that we need. Yes the twins are playing well but they also make a lot of mistakes because they are young…and they cant play every minute of every game. And they possibly leaving too before we knight them in Durban. So being glad that a quality player that we need is leaving the Sharks before adding value…ya sorry i just cant buy into that.

  • Comment 118, posted at 20.05.16 09:17:30 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 121) : agree 100%.if it is about money,surely if he potgieter was written-up as marcell’s replacement,then the money is available.

  • Comment 119, posted at 20.05.16 09:26:20 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 114) : Nowhere has it come out that Potgieter would prefer to play for the Bulls. It is clear from his twitter “spat” that he was pushed out of the Sharks.The Bulls picked him up,as Im sure many other top team would have been happy to do. Big difference.

  • Comment 120, posted at 20.05.16 09:31:40 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 123) : potgieter joined the sharks as junior after school.couldn’t secure a pro deal and left.auite sure the bulls wanted him too for this season’s sr but he signd for the sharks.then this happens.do the sharks even know how this influences the chances of signing players in the future?

  • Comment 121, posted at 20.05.16 09:37:02 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 121) : The reason Pottie initially left the Sharks wasnt because he couldnt get a deal. He was in the loop but had to leave for well other reasons. Guess its same but different now. Still pissed off because we needed him.

  • Comment 122, posted at 20.05.16 09:42:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 107) : You seem to have the inside track on what went on here, one question – why was he signed in the first place?

  • Comment 123, posted at 20.05.16 09:57:56 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 125) : thanks for the info.I’m also not happy at what has gone down and the way it has been handled by the sharks.see no mention made on the fb page.

  • Comment 124, posted at 20.05.16 09:58:30 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 109) : So, presumably then Kleinhans, Mtembu, Majola, Deysel etc are all going to be realeased soon. Lets not forget Pat and his run of injuries, maybe he will go too soon.

  • Comment 125, posted at 20.05.16 10:03:32 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 110) : Exactly.

  • Comment 126, posted at 20.05.16 10:04:13 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 107) : @Big Fish (Comment 109) : @Farlington (Comment 111) : Are the Sharks really in such financial dwang that they can cut top players from the herd.

  • Comment 127, posted at 20.05.16 10:07:55 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 130) : if it is just financial,then surely potgieter could just have taken over marcell’s contract?sharks need to explain their reasons to the supporters.

  • Comment 128, posted at 20.05.16 10:15:14 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 128) : :D adriaanse,jordaan and botha also lucky to still be around.

  • Comment 129, posted at 20.05.16 10:17:21 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • The sharks are still in the running for a play-off position.now we let an experienced and really good player like potgieter go to a team we are in direct competition for that spot?people say there only 4 games left anyway.sorry,but the sharks are still in the running for a play-off position.

  • Comment 130, posted at 20.05.16 10:25:27 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 129) : Maybe we (supporters) are the lucky ones that they are still around. ;-)

  • Comment 131, posted at 20.05.16 10:42:27 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 130) : A fit Potgieter will benefit any union he joins, not many that are comfortable and equally good at lock and loose forward.

  • Comment 132, posted at 20.05.16 10:45:19 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 132) : If it came down to a straight shoot out between him and Deysel who would you choose.

  • Comment 133, posted at 20.05.16 10:57:01 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 133) : Potgieter over Deysel any day

  • Comment 134, posted at 20.05.16 11:00:46 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 136) : potgieter is my first-choice no7.

  • Comment 135, posted at 20.05.16 11:03:13 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 133) : As much as I like Deysel, it would be Potgieter, purely based on the versatility he offers. I dont think he, Jean, was ever really comfortable playing lock. But why should it come to a shootout between them, or the twins for that matter – they are all players that were on our books when we signed Potgieter – why sign him then at all.

  • Comment 136, posted at 20.05.16 11:05:15 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 134) : I am not that convinced,but they play such similar role in a squad that they must have been in competition for the same position.I think I would have also gone for a fit and motivated Deysel.Potgieter is a rugby mercenary he won’t last long at the Bulls.Deysel still has lots to give to the Sharks

  • Comment 137, posted at 20.05.16 11:05:40 by The hound Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 139) : agree with you: it should not come down to one or the other.marcell is leaving before his cntract expires ,so there is extra money available that was not in the budget when all the players were signed.

  • Comment 138, posted at 20.05.16 11:12:36 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 137) : So are you picking Deysel on his commitment then not purely rating them on playing ability? On pure playing ability Potgieter offers a lot more than Deysel both on and off the ball and scrums. (Not that Deysel is bad). Deysel is the more loyal Shark yes. Injury wise…think Deysel is probably a bit more injury prone. I am still convinced that Pottie would have added huge value to the Sharks. With him gone guys like Botha, Univavi Deysel really need to come to the party and stay fit

  • Comment 139, posted at 20.05.16 11:21:07 by SheldonK Reply

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  • should base loyalty on the commitment shown when playing for the team.potgieter wanted to play for the sharks.we all know how he played at the bulls and waratahs.showed commitment.added value.why would it hve been any different now?once again there is an argument being made that is directed only at the person’s character.and it is a false one.

  • Comment 140, posted at 20.05.16 11:34:55 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • Potgieter would have become a crowd favourite imo sharks need to contract and keep such players.

  • Comment 141, posted at 20.05.16 11:38:51 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 141) : His contract (as far as I know) was only for super Rugby 2016 thou. How much would he have done and what sort of prospect would he have offered post SR? What was his plans after SR 2016? Does anyone here know?

  • Comment 142, posted at 20.05.16 13:39:43 by Farlington Reply

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  • I’d pick Deysel and Jean-Luc over Potgieter. Not to miffed he left. A poor mans Marcel… :|

  • Comment 143, posted at 20.05.16 13:40:23 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @Farlington (Comment 145) : 2 year superrugby deal 2016 and 2017.

  • Comment 144, posted at 20.05.16 13:52:06 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Farlington (Comment 145) : bothma was also on a 2 year superrugby deal for 2015 and 2016.

  • Comment 145, posted at 20.05.16 13:54:59 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Southern_Shark (Comment 146) : potgieter can also play no4 lock.

  • Comment 146, posted at 20.05.16 13:56:16 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • Sithole ,it seems, must wait in the que behind other more senior wings for game time .potgieter was signed as a senior member of the sharks squad.

  • Comment 147, posted at 20.05.16 14:05:13 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • I’ll say it again. You cannot miss what you never had. So let’s move on and let him move on. He always seemed more at home with the bulls anyways. Focus on the guys who really want to be here and are patiently waiting their turn. Like Sbura and Thomas and so forth.

  • Comment 148, posted at 20.05.16 15:32:11 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 151) : “focus on the guys who want to be here”,also makes it sound as if the player wanted to leave,this paints an unfair picture of him and does not give a fair reflection of want happened.

  • Comment 149, posted at 20.05.16 15:44:57 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 148) : Thomas and Sithole arent the ones fulfilling his role. We need Botha to get fit and stay in form. We need Deysel to get fit again and playing well. Same goes for Univavi

  • Comment 150, posted at 20.05.16 15:56:01 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 153) : so we need 2 for the role 1 could have played.

  • Comment 151, posted at 20.05.16 16:26:52 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 123) :
    Not inside loop – all public domain stuff.

    We signed the guy before we really new how the twins would pan out and while Oosthuizen was our only fit first-choice lock. Circumstances have changed significantly since then and the priority is to sign our first-choice youngsters who have carried this team forward.

    I rate Potgieter as a dynamic, versatile forward, but it’s a no-brainer that he won’t be a starter for us, either at loosie or lock. We already have the likes of Daniel, vd Walt and Deysel to bring in experience at loosie and it looks like we have some great competition at lock too. I wish the guy well but won’t be shedding any tears.

    Frankly, I find the keening and wailing here rather melodramatic.

  • Comment 152, posted at 20.05.16 17:15:39 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 149) : Negotiations don’t happen overnight, he has been planning and working on this for a while too. Also, did he stop going to rehab in that time that he was negotiating and so unhappy with the sharks?

  • Comment 153, posted at 20.05.16 17:52:00 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 150) : We needed to do that regardless. ..

  • Comment 154, posted at 20.05.16 17:52:43 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 152) : I say let him go and move on how much will the wailing help. No one knows both sides besides him and management. Leave it at that. Ship has sailed.

  • Comment 155, posted at 20.05.16 17:55:03 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 152) : I think this guy was brought in more to cover the second row than as a loose forward,when he was signed PSDT had just kicked us in the nuts and Lewies future was less than 50 /50.
    Plus Marcel was in captains form and his place assured for the next ten years.
    I still think Deysel’s return to the fit fold was the signal that this guy was superfluous.

  • Comment 156, posted at 20.05.16 18:07:07 by The hound Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 156) : how is your reasoning now?was it out of choice or was he forced into those negotiations?sounds very much if he was forced into it.why else would he mention players being chased away by the sharks?that sounds not like free choice.maybe both he and bothma put in the same situation as wentzel,van tonder,astle,etc .use the weight room till your contracts expire or find new clubs.and that is that.

  • Comment 157, posted at 20.05.16 18:28:20 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 156) :
    You could be right – I’m not sure.

    Either way, I don’t believe we need to keep the guy on the books at what is bound to be a premium. Anyone who’s lived through the Kevin Putt era won’t mourn not holding on to players who are judged surplus to requirements.

    We rather need to focus on retaining the twins and Willie and signing an openside.

  • Comment 158, posted at 20.05.16 18:46:40 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 160) : and if that is how the sharks are going to do things,then they might struggle to make new signings.

  • Comment 159, posted at 20.05.16 18:48:53 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 161) : we all know how wentzel,astle,van tonder,etc were told they are surplus to requirements.was potgieter and bothma told the same?use the weight room and make use of our rehab,but do not expect to get game time.but you are free to negotiate with other clubs and join them.if that is how the sharks do these things,then I feel they might just struggle to make signings in future.either way,that is not the kind of business practice I want the sharks to be associated with.

  • Comment 160, posted at 20.05.16 18:56:27 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 159) : someone posted on here that there was an article in the sharks mag making mention of potgieter being the perfect replacement for marceLl.now this happens?why havent the sharks put the release of potgieter up on the fb page?and the reasons for this -from the player himself?

  • Comment 161, posted at 20.05.16 19:05:26 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 160) :
    I’ve got no issue with telling those guys they were surplus. Better for them to play where needed and for us to stick with or sign players we believe in.

    @50shadesofshark (Comment 161) :
    News24 is carrying an interview with Gold where he is very complimentary of Potgieter despite him not having played a minute and wishes him all the best. Fair play wouldn’t you say?

  • Comment 162, posted at 20.05.16 19:31:58 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 162) : does anyone know the status of CJ Velleman contract? he has outplayed Cloete at Kings and they all only have contracts until en SR. This kid will add huge value along the twins

  • Comment 163, posted at 20.05.16 19:42:33 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 165) : no seems like one-sided pr .says the player left on good terms,but why would the player speak of the sharks chasing players away?
    I stand by my view of this not being good business practice.this is not something a union like the sharks should resort to.

  • Comment 164, posted at 20.05.16 20:35:28 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 164) : You are certainly entitled to feel this way about the situation. But you also have to acknowledge and understand the circumstances in which Potgieter had his rant on twitter. He was being accused of things by a “sharks fan” and went into defensive mode. I don’t think it’s fair that you are going on that alone thou. And yes you feel it’s not good business but I believe losing the twins would be even more so. Think about the future here.

    FYI – I’m not saying that I agree with everything the union has done the last few years but I can’t really fault them on this one.

  • Comment 165, posted at 21.05.16 06:51:06 by Farlington Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 157) : Don’t know why people are refusing to look at the facts. The guy was asked to look else where. He could have been more of a prick about it and refused but when you are no longer needed at a place it’s best to move. We fucked up. Deal and move on. What I want to know is what is the plan. Have we came to an agreement with Coetzee with regards to Marcell therefore need the extra cash? How we secured the twins? Did we release Portgieter in order to secure them? Do we plan to keep Keegan, Phillip, Deysel, Kleinhans, Tera for long. What’s the plan? Are we releasing funds to get more backline players seeing that there is no rotation at centre and fullback? Basically, what’s the thinking behind release two bad ass loose forwards that can cause the opposition serious pain.

  • Comment 166, posted at 21.05.16 08:05:23 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • Big up to the Bulls for their partnership with Border. Very impressed by this move. They will therefore have first digs at all those school boys in the that region. Also ensuring that their surplus players ate ensured of game time. Why couldn’t we have done this? Can we have something similar with the EP Kings?

  • Comment 167, posted at 21.05.16 08:10:08 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 157) : Whatever you carry on beating that dead horse. I prefer to end my responses on this subject right now. There are bigger things. ..

  • Comment 168, posted at 21.05.16 08:16:28 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 169) : yes will be interesting to know the thinking with re: to player retention and acquisition.personally I’m a bit concerned how keen players wiLl be to sign for the sharks after what happened to wantzel,astle,van tonder ,etc ,bothma ,and now potgieter.you can be written up one moment on the sharks fb page,and then suddenly deemed as surplus ,and released without as much of a mention on the self-same fb page.

  • Comment 169, posted at 21.05.16 09:39:43 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 170) : border too?read the bulls are partnering with boland also.really showing the sharks up.also,in the most populous province ,97% of schools do not play rugby.just let that fact sink in for a moment.

  • Comment 170, posted at 21.05.16 09:47:35 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 170) : ya…sharks should have partnered with the EC rugby regions ages ago. Schools like Selborne, Dale and Queens are forever in the top 10 schools in the SA rugby schools ranking. At least two of them year in year out. Maybe our strategy is to grow the sport in KZN first. Don’t know. Think a parallel process should have been adopted.

  • Comment 171, posted at 21.05.16 11:21:51 by GreatSharksays Reply

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