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Adriaan Strauss to lead the Bok charge


Written by Clayton Saville (Clayton(PJLD))

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 30 May 2016 at 16:59
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Allister Coetzee has named Adriaan Strauss as the Springbok captain for the Castle Lager Incoming series.

Adriaan Strauss will become the 57th Springbok captain after the Vodacom Bulls hooker was named to lead South Africa in the Castle Lager Incoming Series against Ireland, which starts on 11 June in Cape Town.

 

Springbok coach, Allister Coetzee, made the announcement on Monday afternoon in Stellenbosch, where the Boks are preparing for the first Test.

 

The popular Strauss hooker follows in the footsteps of long-serving Springbok captain, Jean de Villiers as well as Victor Matfield, Schalk Burger and Fourie du Preez.

 

Coetzee said he decided to appoint the captain before the first training session.

 

“Adriaan’s leadership qualities are impressive and well-established and he has the respect of his team mates on and off the field,” said Springbok coach Allister Coetzee.

 

“He enjoys the respect of all the players and he has always fulfilled a leadership role wherever he played, since coming through the junior national structures.

 

“Adriaan has shared the vice-captaincy role with Bismarck du Plessis for the Springboks and is also a former Toyota Cheetahs skipper and current Vodacom Bulls captain.

 

“I have no doubt he will be successful in his role as Springbok captain, which is a huge responsibility,” added Coetzee.

 

Coetzee further explained that Strauss will have a strong leadership group around him to support him in his role to lead the Springboks in the coming Castle Lager Incoming Series against Ireland.

 

“Adriaan is blessed with a strong leadership core around him consisting of Patrick Lambie, Warren Whiteley, Frans Malherbe, Beast Mtawarira, Duane Vermeulen and Francois Louw,” said Coetzee.

 

“I have been impressed with him in my interactions with him and I have the utmost faith in him.”

 

Strauss said he was humbled by the trust and confidence shown in him by Coetzee.

 

“I am very grateful to the coach for entrusting me with this enormous responsibility,” said Strauss.

 

“I am incredibly humbled by this huge honour and also excited about the role. It is not everyone that get the opportunity to lead the Springboks, so I consider myself very blessed indeed. I shall do my very best to justify the trust shown in me.

 

“I am also very fortunate that I will be able to lean on the assistance of a great leadership group within the squad. There’s a fantastic energy in the squad, but the hard work starts now.”

 

The 30-year old hooker, who was born in Bloemfontein, has played 54 Tests matches for South Africa since making his debut in 2008, scoring six tries to date. He also presented the Springboks at the 2015 Rugby World Cup in England, where he earned his 50th Test cap against Samoa.

 

He became the 800th Springbok when he was called up to do duty in the 2008 Castle Lager Rugby Championship, making his debut on 19 July 2008 against Australia in Perth aged just 22-years old. He has played in a total of 57 Springbok matches, including three non-Tests.

 

In 2012 and 2013, Strauss shared the vice-captaincy with Du Plessis. He is a very strong and experienced hooker and respected leader in the South Africa game.

 

Strauss has amassed 130 Vodacom Super Rugby caps for the Toyota Cheetahs and the Vodacom Bulls. The former Grey College hooker represented the SA Schools in 2003, SA Under-19 (2004) and SA U21 (in 2005, when they won the IRB U21 competition in Argentina, as well as 2006). He made his senior debut for the Vodacom Bulls in 2006, before joining the Toyota Cheetahs the following year. He re-joined the ranks of the Pretoria side in 2015.

 

Adriaan Strauss – Brief biography:

Height: 1.84m

Weight: 114kg

Date of birth: 18 November 1985 in Bloemfontein

Provincial Union: Vodacom Blue Bulls (previously the Toyota Free State Cheetahs)

Test debut: 19 July 2008 vs Australia in Perth aged 22

Test caps: 54

Tour matches: 3

Test points: 30 (6 tries)



234 Comments

  • Booooooooooo

  • Comment 1, posted at 30.05.16 17:00:33 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • @Dragnipur (Comment 1) : Ag no man

  • Comment 2, posted at 30.05.16 17:03:09 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • Surely the most logical choice?

  • Comment 3, posted at 30.05.16 17:03:45 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • Based on starting certainty I guess Malherbe would have been the safest – but not in terms of experience.

  • Comment 4, posted at 30.05.16 17:05:32 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 3) : Much as I want to disagree, you are correct. AC will want to at least experiment with Jantjies, if not just start him in all 3 tests. Making Lambie captain prohibits that.

  • Comment 5, posted at 30.05.16 17:07:09 by Die Kriek Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 4) : Strauss has been one of the Bulls worst players this season, not a very good example to younger players.

  • Comment 6, posted at 30.05.16 17:08:07 by Quintin Reply

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  • Disappointing because his whole career this guy was never the first choice,and still isn’t that kid Marx showed him up last week.

  • Comment 7, posted at 30.05.16 17:11:15 by The hound Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 6) : And on top of that, he is not a guy we will see in a couple of years time at the age of 30, why not give it to someone who will be?

  • Comment 8, posted at 30.05.16 17:11:29 by Quintin Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 7) : And there’s another reason, he’s always been an ‘impact’ player, never started because of form, maybe only due to injury to another player.

  • Comment 9, posted at 30.05.16 17:12:58 by Quintin Reply

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  • Bolter – he certainly rose to the occasion, rallying the troops to ensure the Lions didnt rack up 70 at Loftus (home ground) last Saturday.

  • Comment 10, posted at 30.05.16 17:15:16 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 10) : :lol: :lol: :roll: Exactly, what a captain, and like I said, IMO he had a very quiet, if not bad, season thus far.

  • Comment 11, posted at 30.05.16 17:16:32 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 11) : He has hardly had a decent (by his standards) game in that Blue jersey, had a few blinders for the Vrystaat though.

  • Comment 12, posted at 30.05.16 17:18:16 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • When the squad was announced I thought he was the logical choice but I’m not sure it would have been my choice. Thought AC was going to wait until he announced the squad to announce the skipper. Abviously not.

    I hope AC keeps the captaincy position open series to series and avoid the mistake Meyer made where the skipper struggles to keep his place in the team.

  • Comment 13, posted at 30.05.16 17:19:22 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 12) : Never been the same since that Argie grabbed his nuts,I always preferred his cousin to him,Bismarck to him,he is as Quentin said a last 10 minute replacement.

  • Comment 14, posted at 30.05.16 17:20:36 by The hound Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 12) : And is it just me or shouldn’t we be looking at a captain who will be around a little longer than a 30 y/o hooker who is not in form at all? I get that he wanted someone with experience to be captain, well, Pat has 50 caps…but he is likely to be benched(again) for EJ to start. Other options like Warren Whiteley barely has any international experience. Can’t think of anyone else.

  • Comment 15, posted at 30.05.16 17:23:16 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 13) : I’m pretty sure its just for this series

  • Comment 16, posted at 30.05.16 17:23:37 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 12) : has Marx been capped at any level and if he turns out for the A team does that rule him out of playing for anyone else.If I was him I’d head straight for Sydney

  • Comment 17, posted at 30.05.16 17:23:40 by The hound Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 15) : Big mouth Mallett and Yoda Coetzee were both very vocal that the team was picked concurrent form and not past reputations.If thats the case then pick the captain for the same reason and there’s only one candidate Whitely.

  • Comment 18, posted at 30.05.16 17:26:48 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 17) : Yeah, he has been really good this season. I wouldn’t be mad at him if he decided to take his international career elsewhere.

  • Comment 19, posted at 30.05.16 17:27:04 by Quintin Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 18) : I for one can just not see what kind of ‘form’ either of our soon to be Bok reserve hookers has shown this season, not to even mention the one starting, as our captain.

  • Comment 20, posted at 30.05.16 17:29:26 by Quintin Reply

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  • I also have some reservations about Strauss at hooker. Marx looks the biz.

  • Comment 21, posted at 30.05.16 17:30:36 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 21) : Good pun he looks the biz mark 2/ 2016,but with a more even temper.

  • Comment 22, posted at 30.05.16 17:32:16 by The hound Reply
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  • Pretty much who I expected.

    AC will start Thor at 8 ahead of Whitely, and neither is Lambie guaranteed a starting spot.

  • Comment 23, posted at 30.05.16 17:38:02 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 21) : He has certainly impressed – just look at the difference in the Lions pack when he was not playing.

  • Comment 24, posted at 30.05.16 17:39:03 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 17) : Marx was capped for the Junior Boks, which would have tied him to SA had he played against France of Wales, amongst others. However, he got injured during the 2014 JRWC and only played one game, against Scotland u20, but Scotland’s A team is their designated second team not their u20 side, which means that Marx can play for another country if he qualifies, The Junior Boks is SA’s designated second team, the SA A side has no standing, it’s an invitational side

  • Comment 25, posted at 30.05.16 18:25:45 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 2) : @Quintin (Comment 6) : @The hound (Comment 7) : fully agree this chap is second rater,bad form,choose Mary or bring Bismark back on form he seriously good, tearing up and through the French Top 14

  • Comment 26, posted at 30.05.16 18:37:52 by benji Reply
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  • Probably one of the most out of form guys picked makes captain….I don’t mind AC throwing it around and testing guys before settling but he must be careful the public wants a strong and winning character to get behind as their hero who leads the charge. There is a lot of pr. In these choices. Chalk it up to him being a rookie or incredibly devious? This choice is as neutral as he probably could be.

  • Comment 27, posted at 30.05.16 18:38:42 by coolfusion Reply

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  • Marx

  • Comment 28, posted at 30.05.16 18:38:46 by benji Reply
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  • I would think hooker is probably one of the most no brainer decisions in the whole team. Bismarck Burden Marx. But hey Al says Strauss is captain so all the second fiddle hooker will get is 15 minutes per game if that. That does not allow for much testing of mettle. Kind of painted himself in a corner here….

  • Comment 29, posted at 30.05.16 18:43:46 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 27) : Might be the most ‘neutral’, but it makes no sense in the long run whatsoever.

  • Comment 30, posted at 30.05.16 18:45:41 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 15) : could have gone the Graeme Smith rout with Whiteley

  • Comment 31, posted at 30.05.16 19:31:09 by Zibbie Reply
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  • How does mnisi make bok A-side if he’s not even the lions number 1 inside centre , I can bet you when the lions get to the knockout rounds Jansen van Rensburg wil be at 12 . I’m sorry but this transformation is a bunch of bullshit

  • Comment 32, posted at 30.05.16 20:14:45 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • And siya kolisi was not picked on form at all , he was super shit against the Bulls at loftus and got outplayed by jannes Kirsten on that day . How good has Kirsten been but where is his name ????

  • Comment 33, posted at 30.05.16 20:19:56 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • Wow! Never thought so much negativity about Adriaan… Always thought he is a real trooper. Anyway, think Duane should have stayed in FR and Whiteley should’ve been skip for 2019. But AC can prob only take so many risks

  • Comment 34, posted at 30.05.16 20:20:05 by catfish Reply
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  • Relax folks, it’s not like AC made any sort of announcement that Strauss would be captaining up to the next World Cup.

  • Comment 35, posted at 30.05.16 20:38:38 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 32) :
    If you’d like to stick around you’d better read the site rules.

  • Comment 36, posted at 30.05.16 20:49:54 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 32) : Mnisi started 7 from 12 Super Rugby games for the Lions this year and 11 Currie Cup games last year. By no means second choice at the Lions, he and van Rensburg are rotated often. His defence may be a bit suspect but he has been great on attack

  • Comment 37, posted at 30.05.16 22:08:01 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 30) : Nit technically no but remember the coach makes decisions for the team and decisions for the coach and his career/ comfort this is the latter.

  • Comment 38, posted at 31.05.16 06:42:39 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 35) : And he is bound to make at least a few bloopers. The real test is to see if he listens and learns. Not like anyone thinks AC is the world’s most gifted or brilliant coach. So expectations should not be set incredibly high.

  • Comment 39, posted at 31.05.16 06:46:37 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I expected this when the group was announced. Lambie for some reason is just never the favorite although Jantjies was not exactly crap this season. So who will be “first choice” in the No. 10 jumper is not a certainty and thus you cannot appoint a captain in that position.

    @The hound (Comment 18) : I absolutely agree with you and won’t be surprised if he does get that honor later on. Perhaps his number of caps was a deciding factor even thou that would be pretty lame if true. And thanks for reminding me about that “nuts grab” incident (spilled my coffee thank you very much), although I seem to remember it being in the Samoa game. None the less, that was life changing for him. :lol:

    Let’s see how the series goes against Ireland and allow AC to settle in. I’m sure we will still see lots of changes that we will either agree with or not.

  • Comment 40, posted at 31.05.16 07:19:26 by Farlington Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 23) : This is how I see it too.

  • Comment 41, posted at 31.05.16 07:32:45 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 25) : I believe Marx cannot play for another country, as he represented SA U/20 in a JRWC match. It does not matter that the other team is not the designated second team of the that country.

  • Comment 42, posted at 31.05.16 07:52:32 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 42) : You’re right.
    Regulation 8.3.(d) covers JRWC tournaments and matches. I missed that

  • Comment 43, posted at 31.05.16 07:59:36 by Baylion Reply

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  • Pieter-Steph du Toit has been withdrawn from the Springbok squad after a scan revealed on Monday that he has suffered a grade two hamstring tear over the weekend, with Franco Mostert being called up as replacement.

    Du Toit was sent for a scan on Monday, which confirmed the extent of the injury. He has been ruled out of action for between two and six weeks.

    Mostert, of the Lions, is set to join the squad on Tuesday in Stellenbosch. He was initially was named in the SA ‘A’ squad for the two-match series against the England Saxons.

    Sharks lock Stephan Lewies, who has one Test cap to his name, will replace Mostert in the SA ‘A’ squad.
    http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Springboks/mostert-replaces-du-toit-in-bok-squad-20160531

  • Comment 44, posted at 31.05.16 08:06:47 by Baylion Reply

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  • I can definitely see why Strauss is the most logical choice as captian for this Ireland series. Yes keep in mind its just for this Ireland series not until the RWC. Strauss is the only guaranteed starter in the side amongst the captaincy candidates so it makes the most sense. He also has the most captaincy experience. Let the others focus on playing to be the no.1 choice in their positions

  • Comment 45, posted at 31.05.16 08:38:00 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 33) : I agree with you on Kirsten he is a monster,but he will end up like that long haired blond kid who looked like Patricia Lewis and is now playing for Jake in France.In my mind Carr and Koilisi are both second rate and neither would make the Sharks team ahead of Keegan,Terra or Dan du Preez none of whom even made the A team.

  • Comment 46, posted at 31.05.16 08:42:27 by The hound Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 44) :And he was the one shining light of the Stormers players selected.

  • Comment 47, posted at 31.05.16 08:43:01 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Enough about Marx now, he is clearly seen as the 4th best hooker playing in SA at the moment.

  • Comment 48, posted at 31.05.16 08:44:12 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 48) : So what’s your point,the 5th best hooker is considered to be good enough to be made the captain.

  • Comment 49, posted at 31.05.16 08:46:21 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 49) : I don’t recall any Bok coach in recent times selecting a squad purely on the year’s super rugby form.

  • Comment 50, posted at 31.05.16 09:07:51 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 50) : Not my words,From Alistar Coetzee’s mouth,we are selecting on current form not past reputation,echoed by his unofficial mouth piece Mallett.
    I took that to mean goodbye Bismarck and Frans Steyn,because it sure as hell don’t mean Vermullen or Louw.

  • Comment 51, posted at 31.05.16 09:16:54 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 49) : No, my point is that he is not rated, Strauss and 2 others are. It boggles my mind as well but it is what it is.

  • Comment 52, posted at 31.05.16 09:18:07 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 52) : I was being facetious,but yes reading between the lines this is what it is going to be,a slow long slide down into beige mediocrity.

  • Comment 53, posted at 31.05.16 09:25:19 by The hound Reply
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  • Isnt Strauss’s lineout throwing stats the best in the country if not the competition? He also seems to do well at scrum time inbetween 2 pretty average props at the Bulls. So i really think people are over reacting here big time

  • Comment 54, posted at 31.05.16 09:32:17 by SheldonK Reply

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  • So the test team looking likely to be: Beast, Strauss, Malherbe, Etsebeth, De Jager, Louw, Kolisi, Vermuelen, Paige, Lambie, Mvovo, De Allende, Mapoe, JPP, LeRoux….well thats my guess anyway

  • Comment 55, posted at 31.05.16 09:37:08 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 54) : I tend to agree and there is a positive too. It means AC can now experiment with Duane and Warren at 8 without the worry of having to take his captain off. Ultimately I want Warren as captain as a lot of others do but maybe allow the guy a few more caps under his belt first.

  • Comment 56, posted at 31.05.16 09:37:33 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 55) : Will AC rate Faf over Paige, then my guess is Elton at 10 due to the combination value.

  • Comment 57, posted at 31.05.16 09:39:55 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 56) : Why has Straus only been appointed captain for this series,is it because the captain has to be locally based and Vermullen seems to be enjoying his Euros more than the Cape winter.Reckon Alistar has used this opportunity to lure him back to the Cape and the Bok captaincy is the bait he can’t refuse.

  • Comment 58, posted at 31.05.16 09:41:46 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 55) : I think Kitshoff could have the inside track on Beast,why else would he be recalled and Mvovu could be benched for Combrink or Zass,otherwise your team is spot on.

  • Comment 59, posted at 31.05.16 09:45:33 by The hound Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 57) : I just have this feeling AC will see Faf as being a good impact off the bench with Paige the solid starter.

  • Comment 60, posted at 31.05.16 09:45:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 54) : Marco Wentzel had the best lineout stats in SupeRugby 2015. His props have gained call ups. The Bulls have a solid scrum. To me, he has just not reached the heights that he did with the Cheetahs.

  • Comment 61, posted at 31.05.16 09:46:21 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 58) : My feeling is that very often a long term captain is picked which then causes issues down the line when he isnt the favoured choice in his position. So im in favour of only appointing a captain for a respective series or tour. Lets see how others perform this series and who knows what lies ahead in terms of the squad for the rugby championship.

  • Comment 62, posted at 31.05.16 09:49:48 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 59) : No change of Beast being dropped for Kitshoff – foreign based player over the incumbent locally based player who has delivered for all his teams.

  • Comment 63, posted at 31.05.16 09:50:45 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 59) : Kitshoff, Faf and Combrinck were the ones im not too sure what AC thinks of them so kinda went with the tried and tested sort of.

  • Comment 64, posted at 31.05.16 09:51:02 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 55) : sound slike Faf is in the running to start at 9

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 61) : In the Cheetahs he was very good in a super average side so definitely stood out. So yes he may not be far and away the best but he is having a very solid season- my point about the lineouts and scrums shows that. So he is a good player, having played very well for the Boks last year, has the most captaincy experience and is the definite no.1 in his position in the squad. So very logical decision for me.

  • Comment 66, posted at 31.05.16 09:53:26 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 62) : Agreed. The two Lions hookers are going to put some serious heat on Strauss and I cant see him keeping them out for long. A long term appointment will most likely lead to a JDV and JS situation at the end of their Bok times. For now, the safe choice

  • Comment 67, posted at 31.05.16 09:54:40 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 62) : The All Blacks who are the most successful team in the game do it differently they choose the captain first and stick by him through thick and thin,they choose the team around him.They have very few captains.The captain in that team is as important as if not more important than the coach.

  • Comment 68, posted at 31.05.16 09:56:49 by The hound Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 65) : Id love to see the 2 Blondes having a go at 9 and 10…just hope they have a decent 12 though…but guess its gonna be DeAllende

  • Comment 69, posted at 31.05.16 09:59:08 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 68) : They also have a seamless transition between coaches – rarely throwing everything away the previous coach set up just because of NIH syndrome.

  • Comment 70, posted at 31.05.16 09:59:37 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 66) : My opinion is based on Coetzee’s comment picking on current form and he goes and picks a captain who the day before took a 50 points hiding at home,bullshit in my book.

  • Comment 71, posted at 31.05.16 10:00:55 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 68) : It is a bit different as their captains are always by far the no.1 choice in their position consistently. Cant say the same for any Bok players to be honest. Id rather be in a position where a captain is picked each time (even if same guy a few times) than be in a position where a guy is picked consistently just because he is the captain.

  • Comment 72, posted at 31.05.16 10:01:39 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 71) : Tough to blame a loss on a captain when the opposition is clearly a better overall side.

  • Comment 73, posted at 31.05.16 10:03:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 68) : But they choose very well… McCaw and Reid best in their positions. Only Taine Randall really springs to mind as not always guaranteed the best in position in last 2 decades. Also how they manage their coaches is also well ahead of our track record.

    Unfortunately we have very few guys that can say they will be the starter in their position for the next 2 years even so a long term captain is difficult to pick

  • Comment 74, posted at 31.05.16 10:06:03 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 73) : or else the other captain was just so much more of a superior leader able to galvanise his troops with very few Bok caps amongst them into a better overall unit.

  • Comment 75, posted at 31.05.16 10:06:29 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 72) : ditto

  • Comment 76, posted at 31.05.16 10:07:11 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 75) : Oh come on. Do you really believe the only difference between the Lions and Bulls was Whitely inspiring his team?

  • Comment 77, posted at 31.05.16 10:20:40 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I still cant believe Chris Farley is the springbok captain. How will we ever be taken seriously again?

  • Comment 78, posted at 31.05.16 10:36:50 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 70) : we MIGHT be going in the rite direction now with JA being the A side coach

  • Comment 79, posted at 31.05.16 10:36:50 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 79) : The rest of JA’s lions team would smash that A-side every day of the week.

  • Comment 80, posted at 31.05.16 10:39:54 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 77) : Do you really believe that it wasn’t and that Straus is a better captain.

  • Comment 81, posted at 31.05.16 10:46:40 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 81) : Yes i really dont believe the only difference was the captaincy. The Lions are just a better team playing better rugby and were very accurate on the day. Im sorry but blaming a captain for a loss is crazy (unless he pulls a Robshaw). A Whiteley lead team was also beaten by 50pts this year…but that also wasnt his captaincy- his team were just 2nd best on the day. Rugby isnt an individual sport, you cant lay blame on 1 guy- thats grossly unfair.

  • Comment 82, posted at 31.05.16 11:02:07 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 79) : I wonder if JA’s appointment for the A side also has something to do with the way AC wants the Boks to play.

  • Comment 83, posted at 31.05.16 11:07:03 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 82) :
    I agree with you on this but not that Strauss has had a solid season – he’s been distinctly average. However, since this is just a series captaincy role for now, I can live with it.

  • Comment 84, posted at 31.05.16 11:19:14 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 84) : Im not saying he has been fantastic but he has been solid at his core roles and thats primarily what you need from a hooker. He is the most experienced captain, he has played very well for the Boks in the past and he is definitely the no.1 choice in his position in this squad. So picking him for this series i see as being very logical.

  • Comment 85, posted at 31.05.16 11:21:45 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 85) : So you would have picked him ahead of Bismarck on his form this season.

  • Comment 86, posted at 31.05.16 11:33:29 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 86) : Bismarck is not in the squad selected so its a non issue.

  • Comment 87, posted at 31.05.16 11:34:58 by SheldonK Reply

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  • But the squad was picked on current form,overseas players were not excluded,you say he was the no1.choice in his position,there fore you would have picked him ahead of Bismarck.

  • Comment 88, posted at 31.05.16 11:38:12 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 88) : Strauss is the no.1 choice in his position in THIS SQUAD…check my comment again. Im still concerned that you believe a captain is the sole influence in the Lions/Bulls result…i really thought your rugby knowledge to be better than that.

  • Comment 89, posted at 31.05.16 11:49:15 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Couldnt Vermeulen have played 7 and Whiteley captain the side from 8?

  • Comment 90, posted at 31.05.16 11:54:19 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 89) : just ask yourself who do you want sitting in a trench next to you. Warren Whiteley and Bismarck or Chris Farley :twisted:

  • Comment 91, posted at 31.05.16 12:04:47 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 90) : It could have been a possibility if AC sees Vermuelen as a 7 (well thats if he actually arrives). If Whiteley establishes himself in this series as the first choice no.8 and Lambie establishes himself as the first choice no.10 then there definitely will be a much more interesting captaincy decision come the rugby championship.

  • Comment 92, posted at 31.05.16 12:06:02 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Comment 93, posted at 31.05.16 12:06:35 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 91) : You do realise Bismarck’s name wasnt read out in this squad and therefore wont be playing against Ireland? My backing of Strauss is based on this squad for this series.

  • Comment 94, posted at 31.05.16 12:07:21 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 94) : No I hear you for sure. Im actually backing AC’s policy regarding overseas guys. It WILL protect the super teams. Something Heyneke Moron didnt quite care about.

  • Comment 95, posted at 31.05.16 12:11:10 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 94) : I would def not have picked Strauss because of form and mainly because he lacks the “presence” of a springbok captain. Thats just me though. But overall Im not bitching. Im still just happy that that one man destruction team that was Heyneke Meyer is gone.

  • Comment 96, posted at 31.05.16 12:15:32 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 95) : I think we should just hold judgement on his overseas players policy. Remember they are just finishing their season so i expect a lot are tired and he also wants to see what the local guys can produce against a pretty decent Ireland side. But dont be surprised if you see guys like Bismarck, Pienaar, Habana in the squad for rugby championship. Suppose it depends how the Ireland series goes as well as the games vs the Saxons.

  • Comment 97, posted at 31.05.16 12:16:07 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 96) : You wouldnt pick Strauss as the starting hooker out of those in the squad? He has often taken over the captaincy during a Bok game when subs have been made so its not something new to him. I think not being captain allows Whiteley and Lambie to focus on their game without other pressures

  • Comment 98, posted at 31.05.16 12:18:46 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 97) : I like the Aus thinking in this regard. They may only call on a guy with like 50+ test caps.

  • Comment 99, posted at 31.05.16 12:19:33 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 98) : Honestly I wouldnt have. I see your point for sure, but that Malcolm Marx just looks like a legend in the making. He looks so hungry right now too.

  • Comment 100, posted at 31.05.16 12:21:31 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 100) : You cant pick Marx as he isnt in the squad though. So you would have started Scarra or Mbonambi ahead of Strauss?

  • Comment 101, posted at 31.05.16 12:24:57 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 99) : Yeh i do think that way has merit. I see they have picked overseas guys with under 50 caps on condition that they move back to Aus from next season.

  • Comment 102, posted at 31.05.16 12:25:48 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 101) : No, of course not.

  • Comment 103, posted at 31.05.16 12:28:00 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 102) : So what is Alistar’s policy on overseas guys,he won’t pick them unless they are ex Stormers.

  • Comment 104, posted at 31.05.16 12:30:01 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 104) : :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

  • Comment 105, posted at 31.05.16 12:31:25 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 101) : Why has he picked guys that none of us have confidence in starting,nobody should be in that team that is not capable of running on and holding his place against any opposition.

  • Comment 106, posted at 31.05.16 12:31:58 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 104) : I have no idea what his policy is, doubt anyone but him and his coaching staff do. I very much doubt his policy is only picking ex Stormers.

  • Comment 107, posted at 31.05.16 12:32:14 by SheldonK Reply

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    My dream team. Just one overseas guy.

  • Comment 108, posted at 31.05.16 12:37:14 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 106) : Strauss was always going to be picked in the squad as he has been in the side for a while now and his core duties are good which his stats show. Why he went with Scarra and Mbonambi im not sure, maybe its not just a rugby consideration, i dont know. Personally i would have gone with Bismarck, Strauss and probably Marx,although not sure if his lineout and scrums stats are good, so assuming they are.

  • Comment 109, posted at 31.05.16 12:37:57 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 108) : Maybe Lambie at fullback ahead of Willie

  • Comment 110, posted at 31.05.16 12:38:01 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 108) : Thats a good side, assuming Whiteley is at 8. His form from the RWC has me doubting DeAllende still though…

  • Comment 111, posted at 31.05.16 12:39:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 108) : Whiteley at 7 or 8 ? Whiteley is a no no at 7 for me . then he should rather not be in the squad

  • Comment 112, posted at 31.05.16 12:59:10 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 112) : ja, I really don’t want to see guys playing out of their primary positions just because there is competition for a spot. Only time that should happen IMO is if injuries enforce it during a game.

    Having two good players vying for the starting number often pushes both players to their best.

  • Comment 113, posted at 31.05.16 13:13:27 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 113) : Its a fair point but i think guys like Vermuelen can be equally good at 8 or 7, likewise Jaco Kriel can play 6 or 7 i believe. Where as Whiteley is predominantly an 8 and Kolisi a 7.

  • Comment 114, posted at 31.05.16 13:26:15 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 114) : yea . you really need a bigger player at 7 . Whiteley is many things but not that .

  • Comment 115, posted at 31.05.16 13:41:11 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 115) : Think he could do as a 6? i dunno myself

  • Comment 116, posted at 31.05.16 13:51:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 116) : yea same . dunno . But i would give 6 ) Kriel 7) Thor 8) Whiteley a run

  • Comment 117, posted at 31.05.16 13:53:07 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 114) : A 102 kg Kolisi and 97 kg Kriel (that is if the online stats are believable) are both a bit on the light side for a test rugby blindside.

  • Comment 118, posted at 31.05.16 13:55:27 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • One thing to be thankful for is Schalk will not be playing number 10.

  • Comment 119, posted at 31.05.16 13:56:32 by The hound Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 117) : Yeh that would be my first choice combo to be honest.

  • Comment 120, posted at 31.05.16 13:59:51 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 118) : Perhaps if just going on weight but both are powerful, have good feet and a decent passing game and both make their tackles

  • Comment 121, posted at 31.05.16 14:01:58 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 117) : That would be a great combo

  • Comment 122, posted at 31.05.16 14:03:57 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 118) : have you seen Kriel in full flight ? he WILL smash you ! dont think he is 97 kg’s , not any more at least .

  • Comment 123, posted at 31.05.16 14:05:19 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 119) : But he was just developing his kicking game….

  • Comment 124, posted at 31.05.16 14:05:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 121) : But up against a 114 kg Stander, 113 kg Kaino, 114 kg Fardy, 115 kg Pocock, who is just as powerful (if not more) they will be at a disadvantage in the collisions.

  • Comment 125, posted at 31.05.16 14:14:00 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 123) : I am qualifying my statement on his size as I also don’t trust the stats available.

  • Comment 126, posted at 31.05.16 14:15:07 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 125) : Its a fair comment. But it is just based on weight. I mean the Lions have done really well with a pretty much lightweight loose trio.

  • Comment 127, posted at 31.05.16 14:17:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 125) : @SheldonK (Comment 128) : would playing thor at 7 not solve some of these issues ?

  • Comment 128, posted at 31.05.16 14:25:07 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 128) : Yes. But should he not arrive or not be available then who?

  • Comment 129, posted at 31.05.16 14:27:09 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 127) : I don’t expect the Boks will follow the Lions playing style though – not initially at least. Test rugby is also a lot more physical than Super rugby. You need at least one big bruiser in your trio. It is just easier for a 115 kg powerful player to drive attacking players back in the tackle than it is for a 102 kg player,

    A trio of Kriel, Thor and Whitely playing in a pattern that suits their skills could be something I like to see though.

  • Comment 130, posted at 31.05.16 14:30:00 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 130) : I fully agree that test rugby is a lot tighter and physical than super rugby, no doubt. Im just looking at the players in SA and cant really see who would fulfill that 7 role? Ideally someone that offers more than just head down and bash it up to a ruck.

  • Comment 131, posted at 31.05.16 14:36:09 by SheldonK Reply

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  • For anyone saying Strauss is just captain for the Ireland series, read what AC says :
    http://www.sarugbymag.co.za/blog/details/strauss-could-be-long-term-captain

    @SheldonK (Comment 66) : AS is not having a solid season, he gave away a lot of crucial penalties throughout the season.

  • Comment 132, posted at 31.05.16 14:45:39 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 117) : I agree, that would be very interesting because you have a very good and experienced nr. 8 to manage 2 very good but inexperienced(at national level at least) loosies. Best combo I reckon.

  • Comment 133, posted at 31.05.16 14:48:40 by Quintin Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 131) : We definitely need to move away from the head down and bash blindsides to more skilled players (just with the physical attributes).

    In about a year or two JLDP should be able to do the job.

  • Comment 134, posted at 31.05.16 14:48:46 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 132) : His lineout stats are good and the Bulls scrum has won a lot of their own ball so that for me gives him a solid season. As i said he is the best choice in this squad. And AC says Strauss is captain just for this series but there is the option for him continuing. Its not like he is going to throw the guy under the bus and say he is only there for these 3 games and never again. Strauss has been Bok vice captain before so not sure what the issue is.

  • Comment 135, posted at 31.05.16 14:50:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 134) : Yeh i agree with you. JLDP currently is probably physically up to it but im not sure about mentally. It is his first senior of senior rugby really.

  • Comment 136, posted at 31.05.16 14:51:45 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 135) : I know he has been VC before, he is just not the right captain IMO for this particular squad. He gave away 13 penalties, joint 7th highest in the competition, with Beast on 16 and 4th overall, I don’t think having them both on the field at the same time is going to help us a lot. You just can’t give away unnecessary penalties on international level.

  • Comment 137, posted at 31.05.16 15:01:21 by Quintin Reply

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  • Who would your pick have been? Bearing in mind he should be considered a guaranteed starter…

  • Comment 138, posted at 31.05.16 15:03:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 138) : Is this from who is unversally available or who is in the entire squad,or who is in the Bok Squad.

  • Comment 139, posted at 31.05.16 15:13:33 by The hound Reply
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  • If its the Bok squad stick with Straus,if its the entire squad Marx,universally has to be Bismarck or Burden.

  • Comment 140, posted at 31.05.16 15:15:08 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 139) : @The hound (Comment 140) : For realistic comparisons it has to come from this current Bok squad. Im assuming your universal picks were for hooker not captain. Interesting you go for Bismarck when you have said he is a selfish player just playing for himself and was part of the reason for the breakdown in Sharks team culture.. Is it different in a Bok jersey?

  • Comment 141, posted at 31.05.16 15:18:37 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 141) : Yes he’s a little more humble and a whole to cleaner when he wears the Green and Gold,still a good hooker never been captain material.

  • Comment 142, posted at 31.05.16 15:26:44 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 142) : Ah ok, was just wondering what the stance was. I think Burden too far off the radar to be honest. If they just wanted local then i think Strauss, Maratuile and Marx are the top 3…not necessarily that order.

  • Comment 143, posted at 31.05.16 15:29:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 141) : Why do you think Coetzee chose Mnbonambi and Ntubeni,couldn’t he work out which one is better.No ways that they both should be chosen at the highest level,could have chosen Marx as the third option

  • Comment 144, posted at 31.05.16 15:29:21 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 144) : Tough one to pinpoint if purely rugby reasons. Scarra has been in the setup before but has been injured and hasnt played that much i think. perhaps it is a familiarity thing with Scarra as he knows what he can get out of him and perhaps it is something he likes. Mbonambi im really not sure….

  • Comment 145, posted at 31.05.16 15:34:24 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 141) : Look we have a few new guys in the squad, wouldn’t it be good to have a new guy captain like Whiteley? They will surely relate more to him than Strauss? There are enough other experienced players that will most likely be in the match day line-up (Lambie, Beast, JPP, Duane) to make sure the new guys don’t screw up.
    And regarding him starting ahead of Duane, it’s probably not likely, but AC can be bold and make way for both? Guess we’ll have to see who he starts. If Lambie/Whiteley does, I’ll give it to one of them. How is Duane playing this season?

  • Comment 146, posted at 31.05.16 15:39:51 by Quintin Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 145) : Neither of them has been good this year,and Chilliboy is one match away from eclipsing both of them.

  • Comment 147, posted at 31.05.16 15:42:31 by The hound Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 146) : Hard to judge Duane as Toulon been both hot and cold but apparently he was good in the last game eventhough they lost. Whiteley is a good candidate but he is also trying to play his way into the team still and isnt a guaranteed starter so think him just focussing on that is best for him. The younger guys will know Strauss has been there and done it before so think he is almost like a father figure which is not the worst thing to have in the first series under a new coach for a lot of new guys. Like i said if Whiteley and Lambie can establish themselves in this series as the no.1 picks then the choice of captain for the rugby championship will be a lot trickier.

  • Comment 148, posted at 31.05.16 15:45:17 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 147) : Picking Chilliboy would be a big stretch having just returned…perhaps end of year tour maybe. I think Maratuile can feel hard done by as he has been good in a struggling team. And then yeh the Lions hookers. Also a thought maybe he knew he was going with the WP locks so thought WP hookers would be familiar. This all assumes its purely rugby reasons

  • Comment 149, posted at 31.05.16 15:49:51 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 148) : That’s if Lambie gets a real opportunity this time around. I feel he has been really hard done by regarding Bok playing time in the nr. 10 jersey. Most of his caps were 10/15mins from the bench or at FB. He deserves a good shot. Regarding the captaincy, I’m in favor of not having a permanent captain because you then risk keeping a better player on the bench just for his sake. I say give 2 guys the responsibility, that will take the pressure off both, and not keep someone out if they play better than one of the 2 captains.

  • Comment 150, posted at 31.05.16 15:51:21 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 150) : Yeh the Lambie one is a tough one. Yes there cases where he probably should have got more time. Having said that if he plays now is it not then giving that same treatment to Janjies (assuming he is fit and able). I have my own view on Lambie others may not agree with but hey.

  • Comment 151, posted at 31.05.16 15:58:22 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 151) : Lambie should have done a Brad Barritt and followed in his grandfathers footsteps to mud island.Lambie playing under Eddie Jones would be magnificent,Lambie under Alistar Coetzee is going to be touch and go.
    He will only start when there are no options,

  • Comment 152, posted at 31.05.16 16:04:02 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 152) : Unfortunately he has no choice now.

  • Comment 153, posted at 31.05.16 16:05:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 153) : yup,

  • Comment 154, posted at 31.05.16 16:09:23 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 151) : Yes, the difference is, Lambie is also on form atm, plus he has 50 caps, be it from the bench or FB, he knows the international stage very well. You can’t compare his and EJ’s situations, because in the past he played behind and out of form MS, and was then leap-frogged by a youngster who IMO is not such a good FH(Pollard) but more of an inside center.

  • Comment 155, posted at 31.05.16 16:09:45 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 155) : Janjties has been the in form 10 most would say for the last 2 years so also deserves a shot. It is a tough call, Sharks bias aside. Many would disagree but i just feel Lambie is a good 10 but has struggled to nail down the Bok 10 spot for a number of reasons over a number of years. Perhaps its time he looked at either 15 or in my view 12.

  • Comment 156, posted at 31.05.16 16:15:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Sorry to say but Strauss is overweight! Only reason he’s there and captaining is because of his “experience”!!!

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 156) : There’s only so much you can do as a FH with 10/15mins remaining in a game. But I agree on EJ, he also deserves a shot, but to me, he is nowhere near as calm and collected as Lambie, especially under pressure. Let’s hope for the Bok’s sake, whoever starts at 10 has a blinder. It’s been way too long now that we haven’t had an intuitive nr. 10. Pollard to me is too reliant on how the rest of the team plays.

  • Comment 158, posted at 31.05.16 16:22:15 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 158) : For now, I’m glad to have Lambie and EJ rather than Pollard and MS.

  • Comment 159, posted at 31.05.16 16:23:49 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 158) : Pollard is young and rash but he has a lot of good qualities. Him, Lambie and Jantjies all offer something a bit different at 10. With Lambie being the realistically only fit one currently i believe he should start with Janjties off the bench

  • Comment 160, posted at 31.05.16 16:23:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 160) : Elton is injured he is not going to be on the bench,so who will be.April.
    And you have a problem with Whitelys level of experience at this level.

  • Comment 161, posted at 31.05.16 16:33:54 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 160) : I agree, he does have good qualities, but to me, he is nr3 in the pecking order even when he is fully fit.

  • Comment 162, posted at 31.05.16 16:35:18 by Quintin Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 156) :
    Jantjies was on the way up from last year, but nowhere near the national picture.

    Given the Strauss call, consistency should dictate that Pat has the inside lane for flyhalf given his experience at this level and leadership ability amongst a new backline. But he has had no luck at Bok level so let’s see.

  • Comment 163, posted at 31.05.16 16:35:34 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 161) : If April gets game time and he performs well, Pollard is nr. 4 :lol:

  • Comment 164, posted at 31.05.16 16:36:38 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 163) : Exactly that, he’s had the bad end of the stick when it comes to Bok playing time/position.

  • Comment 165, posted at 31.05.16 16:39:03 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 164) : I think there is still enough pressure coming out of Stellenbosch on Coetzee to see another one of their favourite sons leap frog that due,Jean -luc du Plessis

  • Comment 166, posted at 31.05.16 16:39:24 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 166) : Yeah you are right. He had a bad game against the Cheetahs though.

  • Comment 167, posted at 31.05.16 16:43:30 by Quintin Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 161) : By some accounts Elton will be fit to play but if not then yes April will bench- will be a big step up for him. I dont have a problem with Whiteley playing at this level. Just dont think he should captain this series when he has just got back into the side after being out of it for a while.

  • Comment 168, posted at 01.06.16 07:52:16 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 168) : That’s some of the reports I’ve heard as well. He’s recovering quickly. Another one saying that Mapoe sat out training yesterday, hope it’s just to get in some rest and not an injury scare. Looking forward to see what he can do for the Boks.

  • Comment 169, posted at 01.06.16 09:03:29 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 169) : Yeh im not sure what i think about them trying to get Elton to play. I know he has been on form and is probably dying to get a chance but perhaps risking him now when i doubt he will be fully healed im just not sure if that is wise. Probably same goes for Mapoe depending on the nature of his injury.

  • Comment 170, posted at 01.06.16 09:26:41 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 170) : Well at least we have Lambie and a very capable April as backup. Not sure who will match Mapoe’s form if he doesn’t play. Kriel hasn’t had a very good season thus far but that may be down to who is playing on his inside. Who do you think will AC pick at 12?

  • Comment 171, posted at 01.06.16 09:35:20 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 171) : de Allende no doubt

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  • @Quintin (Comment 171) : @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 172) : Yeh i also think DeAllende, he was slightly better against the Cheetahs but i still think he is very predictable. His passing/offloading game that got him recognised has disappeared, seems so has his defense. Serfontein isnt much better and also trying to discover form. Very surprised Francois Steyn was overlooked. And locally Francois Venter, eventhough he has been at 13 for Cheetahs.

  • Comment 173, posted at 01.06.16 09:39:43 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 173) :
    I’m always surprised that Frans isn’t amongst the first names on any team sheet. I think he is a truly special talent.

    I know there have been personality clashes, but that must just be managed.

  • Comment 174, posted at 01.06.16 10:11:12 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 174) : I think since SARU screwed him over there has been bad blood so think coaches are under pressure not to pick him. The All Blacks and OZ are very grateful for that. Esterhuizen could develop into the player Frans is but he needs to improve his handling and kicking variations…but the possibility is certainly there. Not many quality centre options in SA currently…

  • Comment 175, posted at 01.06.16 10:22:15 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 174) : Imagine a backline of Faf,Lambie,Frans Steyn,Mapoe,JPP,Lawazi(Seanatla) and Willie.
    Enough to make Kieran Reid shit in his pants.
    Fat chance we will see that.

  • Comment 176, posted at 01.06.16 10:35:20 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 176) : Very good backline that. But agree with your last point

  • Comment 177, posted at 01.06.16 10:46:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 177) : Not enough Stormers and too many Sharks.

  • Comment 178, posted at 01.06.16 10:47:37 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 178) : Well if i look at the Stormers backline….the only 2 players that could add some value are DeJong and Kolbe…and both only as wings i believe. DeJong at centre at a push. But nobody else really. Suppose thats why they struggle if their forwards dont win the game for them.

  • Comment 179, posted at 01.06.16 11:05:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 176) : Frans would start for every other team in the world. What a waste. What a waste.

  • Comment 180, posted at 01.06.16 11:10:39 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 179) : I like Kolbe but no way he can be a test fullback. How will he stop Savea or George North in a one on one?

  • Comment 181, posted at 01.06.16 11:11:58 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 181) : In a short answer- he wouldnt. But in a 1v1 coaches do expect the attacking player to be able to beat his opponent if he has a bt of room. Nick Mallet’s idea of Kolbe at 9 has some merit but 9 isnt the easiest position to just wing it without the proper technique and know how. Perhaps Kolbe on the wing is more likely.

  • Comment 182, posted at 01.06.16 11:15:33 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 182) : I wouldn’t have Kolbe in a international team except for the 7′s. He is way to small. Would like to see him stop even another smallish player on our 5m line. Or one of NZ’s big wingers. Not to even mention a tight 5 player. It’s just not going to happen. Serfontein hasn’t been good this season at all which is probably the reason Kriel hasn’t been at his best. And your’e right, De Allende has lost the touch that brought him into the picture and he’s actually a 13 isn’t he? But I will still pick him ahead of Serfontein though.

  • Comment 183, posted at 01.06.16 11:39:45 by Quintin Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 181) : Agreed.

  • Comment 184, posted at 01.06.16 11:40:24 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 183) : Yeh sometimes size really does matter. As for Serfontein/ DeAllende…think they bot struggling for form. Serfontein probably has the better pedigree but i think to realise it he needs a new playing environment.

  • Comment 185, posted at 01.06.16 11:46:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 185) : Zas is going to start on the wing until Habbanna decides that he never really wanted to play sevens and gets automatic recall to the team,because remember that even though he plays overseas he used to play for the Stormers.

  • Comment 186, posted at 01.06.16 11:58:50 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 186) : Zas isnt in the squad though. Habana wont make the 7s side so i expect him to be in the rugby championship squad.

  • Comment 187, posted at 01.06.16 12:05:09 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 187) : My apologies he’s in the A squad,all 39 kgs of him,

  • Comment 188, posted at 01.06.16 12:25:01 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 188) : That A Squad isnt the best. Think they will struggle against a good Saxons side.

  • Comment 189, posted at 01.06.16 12:28:45 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 189) : You guys think Zas is the real deal? Did he do enough to be in the A side?

  • Comment 190, posted at 01.06.16 13:12:57 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 190) : He has some potential,does have a lot of speed. That A side isnt that good, not many guys on form in that side. Interested to see how they line up to see if they will at least be sort of competitive

  • Comment 191, posted at 01.06.16 13:32:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 191) : Yeah, many wingers has some potential and a lot of speed. Also think that A side will struggle.

  • Comment 192, posted at 01.06.16 13:42:52 by Quintin Reply

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  • My dream Bok side

    Kitshoff, Marx, Malherbe, Etzebeth, Mostert, Kriel, Vermeulen, Whiteley (c), Faf, Lambie, De Allende, Mapoe, Combrink, Wille and Skosan on the left wing – if only dreams could come true.

  • Comment 193, posted at 01.06.16 15:22:45 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 193) : dream on as seemingly we’re going to be stuck with the fat little hooker for a while!!!

  • Comment 194, posted at 01.06.16 18:13:49 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 182) :
    Good point. I agree that Kolbe could cut it at wing. If you swing the above questions around – how many wingers world-wide would want to defend against Kolbe one on one?

    He’s got great pace, vision and quick feet that remind me of Jason Robinson.

  • Comment 195, posted at 01.06.16 20:18:48 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 194) : which one Chris Farley or Ice Cube

  • Comment 196, posted at 01.06.16 20:19:39 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 196) : AS(S)

  • Comment 197, posted at 01.06.16 22:12:06 by JD Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 195) : Well thats my thinking…rather wing than 15 or even 9. Tell you what, the bit ive seen from that Lukhanyo Am on the wing- if he can get a bit more street smart he could be a very good thing for the Sharks…provided we dont send him to the Kings fulltime which i could see happening.

  • Comment 198, posted at 02.06.16 08:19:36 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 195) : @SheldonK (Comment 198) : You have to have wings that can defend properly. Doesn’t matter whether the opposing wing will struggle to defend against him. Any winger is supposed to be troubling the oppositions defense, but they have to be able to defend as well, which Kolbe wont be able to do against a big winger on full speed.

  • Comment 199, posted at 02.06.16 09:32:31 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 199) : Yeh look he may still struggle, but at least at wing he can use the touchline to his advantage. I think even bigger wings would struggle with the likes of North, Naholo, Savea, Nadolo etc. Barring JPP most SA wings are smaller guys

  • Comment 200, posted at 02.06.16 09:37:57 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 200) : Smaller yes, but definitely not Kolbe small, that’s for sure. The whole “size doesn’t matter” thing doesn’t apply to international level IMO.

  • Comment 201, posted at 02.06.16 09:50:42 by Quintin Reply

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  • Guys, just a question, is anyone else having problems with the app these last couple of days, I cannot go onto the app, it keeps on giving me an connection error, although I can access other apps and site from my cell?

  • Comment 202, posted at 02.06.16 10:02:36 by Henkb Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 201) : You do make a good point. Its a tough trade off though as you want someone that offers something more than just size. So do you trade off the other things that a guy like Kolbe can do on attack etc vs what a bigger guy can do just on defense. Kinda the same as do you trade a more lightweight player like Whiteley for a bigger guy that is is probably more effective in the tight exchanges. I suppose at the end of the day you have to get the team balance right not just the individual positions

  • Comment 203, posted at 02.06.16 10:04:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Henkb (Comment 202) : Didn’t even know there was an app :oops:

  • Comment 204, posted at 02.06.16 10:16:22 by Quintin Reply

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  • Horses for courses – small backs are the exception rather than the rule, but depending on the other outside backs and their strengths and weaknesses, it can work.

    The Hobbit was great for Wales, but look at how big the guys around him were generally. Same with Mackenzie at the Chiefs.

  • Comment 205, posted at 02.06.16 13:51:09 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 205) : Agreed. I think you made the point about Balance a while ago and it applies to this too. I will be interested to see if the All Blacks go with experience over form or the other way round for their games vs Wales…same with the Boks

  • Comment 206, posted at 02.06.16 13:53:50 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 205) : It is a nice mental exercise to see where Kolbe would be most effective, however, one has to also consider where he fits in the pecking order. Would you really rather have Kolbe over JPP, Mvovo, Cornbrink, Skosan, Habana. He is way down the pecking order, so I really don’t see the point in this discussion. But maybe that is just me. :mrgreen: :razz:

  • Comment 207, posted at 02.06.16 14:54:49 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 180) : Yes and under Jake he is back to his devastating form and play,

  • Comment 208, posted at 02.06.16 14:57:22 by benji Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 174) : Just watch him now under Jake,truly devastating

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 207) : Linking together some of the latest posts, one of my favourite memories of the past few seasons was Frans obliterating Kolbe,at Newlands.

  • Comment 210, posted at 02.06.16 15:34:44 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 210) : Geez i remember that hit…

  • Comment 211, posted at 02.06.16 15:48:44 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 210) : @SheldonK (Comment 211) : This one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctuNbcHHnOA. Eish, we got a drubbing that day.

  • Comment 212, posted at 02.06.16 16:14:05 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 207) :
    I agree to a point – I would certainly not pick him ahead of our current guys right now.

    But my point (on balance, as Sheldon rightfully points out) is that it all depends on combinations. I’d say that the same principle applies to playing someone like Daniel – in the right pack, his explosiveness more than makes up for his stature. Just a general principle that I strongly believe in.

  • Comment 213, posted at 02.06.16 16:35:42 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 213) : I can’t agree with the comparison. When Keegan was capped for the boks, he was simply the best opensider in SA at the time, and the next in line, Stegmann is a little shorter than him. Kolbe is nowhere near being the best wing in SA right now, and all those ahead of him are bigger than he is. Also the balance in a back row is not the same as with the back 3. The way the game is played now, height is important for the back 3. Also Keegan is in no way the smallest loose forward in SA, Kolbe may be the smallest wing in the world. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 214, posted at 02.06.16 17:34:21 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 214) : Smallest wing? He’s smaller than most scrummies! :twisted:

  • Comment 215, posted at 02.06.16 18:45:55 by Ben Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 212) : sorry but I still can’t see why that was a yellow card? Yes it was late and a penalty but not a yellow card.

  • Comment 216, posted at 02.06.16 20:11:40 by JD Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 213) : @Dancing Bear (Comment 214) : yes can’t agree on comparing Keegan to Kolbe. Totally different positions and playing styles. Personally I don’t mind picking a smaller more skillful player but I do think Kolbe is just a bit to small and light for international rugby (except if he decided to move to 9).

  • Comment 217, posted at 02.06.16 20:19:33 by JD Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 215) : He’s smaller than Rasta Rhushuvenga

  • Comment 218, posted at 02.06.16 21:30:54 by The hound Reply
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  • Phil Waugh was a small man,so is Michael Hooper,Milner Skudda,Christian Cullen,Williams,Robinson,Deon Kayser,even Robbie Fleck and one I don’t expect many here to remember Mannetjies Roux,but none of them went down as easily as Kolbe does,and only Habbanna goes down as dramatically when he is touched.

  • Comment 219, posted at 02.06.16 21:45:43 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 219) : There is only one guy that can be as dramatic as Habana when touched on a pitch, and that should certainly be Suarez, no playing for the catalans

  • Comment 220, posted at 02.06.16 22:00:34 by Henkb Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 216) : Watch the replay carefully and you will see that PSDT was going to hit Kolbe even later than Frans did, the only thing stopping him from crushing Kolbe was that Frans got there before him, and he ended up hitting Frans after he had knocked Kolbe back. There was no pulling out of that tackle for PSDT, so it is hard to say that Frans was that late if he got there before PSDT who was unable to pull out. Just my opinion……and you know what they say about free opinions, worth every penny you pay for them. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 221, posted at 02.06.16 22:48:45 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 219) : bwahahahaha…nice, but Cullen had 15 kgs on Kolbe, Waugh had 30 kgs, even Kayser had 6 kgs on him, Fleck had 20 kgs on Kolbe. Sorry you are going to have a hard time finding anyone as small as Kolbe. When I said he was the smallest wing in the world, I was including u/12 and up. ;-) :razz: :mrgreen: :twisted:

  • Comment 222, posted at 02.06.16 22:55:50 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 222) : hahaha nice one ;-)

  • Comment 223, posted at 02.06.16 23:57:04 by JD Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 221) : ja boet that’s usually true but I think we’re right and the ref was wrong (as usual)!

  • Comment 224, posted at 03.06.16 00:00:43 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 216) : Agree, but I think Frans had about 2 other close call in that game and the ref buckled to the baying crowds. Damn I wish AC would consider Steyn for the Boks.

  • Comment 225, posted at 03.06.16 08:41:53 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 225) : ja think you’re right he was afraid of the crowed so he carded Frans. Don’t think Frans will play for the Bokke again as he’s not afraid to speak his mind and most coaches can’t handle it.

  • Comment 226, posted at 03.06.16 09:47:10 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 226) : Ive got a feeling that is why Bismark is also being ignored, well that and that he didnt play for Province as well. :twisted:

  • Comment 227, posted at 03.06.16 09:49:32 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 225) : If my memory serves me right that was his second delayed hit on Kolbe in that game.Still think Frans and Mapoe combination could be world beating,

  • Comment 228, posted at 03.06.16 09:56:29 by The hound Reply
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  • I see Serfontein is out injured so looks very likely that DeAllende will start at 12 with Lambie to cover there if needed.

  • Comment 229, posted at 03.06.16 12:15:19 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 228) : Steyn and Mapoe, mmm that could be something.

  • Comment 230, posted at 03.06.16 12:19:50 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 230) : Has about as much chance of happening under the current regime as Rory Kockert and Craig Burden had under the last one.

  • Comment 231, posted at 03.06.16 14:00:51 by The hound Reply
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  • Hi guys, long time!

    Just thought I would by and wish our new Bok captain the very best! Fully deserved by a man who has never been fully appreciated in SA. Here’s to a new era under AC! I am very optimistic

  • Comment 232, posted at 03.06.16 16:43:23 by Ludz Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 231) : Its still early days but I fear you are right. Possibly a Jean de Villiers / Mapoe comination then. :twisted:

  • Comment 233, posted at 03.06.16 16:45:43 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Ludz (Comment 232) : these days he to large to fully “appreciate” him as a hooker!

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