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Life after Willie?


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 8 Jun 2016 at 09:50
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I saw something very interesting in Manchester last night (well, I wasn’t physically in Manchester myself, but you know what I mean) and it’s made me far less concerned about what would happen next year should Willie le Roux opt to join Wasps, rather than sticking with the Sharks for another year.

Now I may be widely lambasted for suggesting this – given that for many, he’s the Bok saviour-elect at flyhalf – but I reckon Curwin Bosch could be a revelation for the Sharks at fullback. What’s more, I’d be quite happy to let the kid play Super Rugby next year, provided he’s given an early blooding in Currie Cup in 2016.

So what makes me say this? Well, it was really two things that I saw from Bosch last night that convinced me – and neither of them had anything to do with his famed running game (which he didn’t get a chance to showcase much against the Japanese). I thought Bosch really excelled as a tactical kicking option, with the length on his line kicks particularly impressive. It’s an area where the Sharks really struggled in the early part of Super Rugby and one where the level and quality of opposition have no effect; if you can kick the ball far and accurately out of hand at under 20 level, you can do it at senior level.

The other thing he did incredibly well was goal kicking, returning a flawless record off the tee despite some rather tricky attempts. One penalty, in particular, was a real monster, but Bosch slotted it like it was purely regulation fare for him.

Now, assuming the Sharks end up with neither le Roux, nor Joe Pietersen, for Super Rugby next year, Bosch could provide a wonderful utility option, able to start at fullback and grow into senior rugby, while still having the option to spend time at flyhalf as and when required. A big part of the magic that Willie le Roux offers is his ability to take the ball at first receiver when play becomes unstructured and if you look at the times when the Sharks have scored great tries this year, it’s mostly been when le Roux has got his hands on the ball early in the move. While Bosch is still very young, there’s little doubt to me that he has all the same skills as le Roux and could very quickly become the sort of player that offers the Sharks similarly deadly counter-attack potential from fullback. Add to that a potentially better boot than le Roux’s and (so far) sound defensive positioning and you have a very compelling package indeed.



93 Comments

  • Who is our CC flyhalf options,assuming that both Lambie and April might be with the boks? I have Inny and Bosch,am I forgetting about someone?

  • Comment 1, posted at 08.06.16 10:02:59 by HeinF Reply
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  • Good article Rob.

    Sadly I missed the game, but will look out for Bosch in the next one (if he plays)

  • Comment 2, posted at 08.06.16 10:04:37 by Die Kriek Reply
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  • I guess we would Roue the day we allowed SP Marais to slip away or Riaan Viljoen. I am not sure if I would like to see Curwin Bosch forced up the ranks two quickly as it is we have two good young flyhalves/fullbacks in Lambie and April… whats nice is Lambie is a flyhalf who can play fullback and April is a fullback that can play flyhalf… obviously they would need some cover and it wouldnt hurt to offer a bit of a taste to Bosch but there is no need to thrust him into the position early so we are stuck with 3 sprinkboks around the flyhalf/fullback position which may force at least 1 to do somewhere else for game time and we loose out again.

  • Comment 3, posted at 08.06.16 10:05:47 by Warren Harvey Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 1) : I assume Tedder is part of the set up, with Heimer able to cover too.

  • Comment 4, posted at 08.06.16 10:14:54 by Hulk Reply
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  • Bosch is definitely a better option at 15 than 10 in my opinion. He seems to enjoy the space and attacking and even defending options from there. Alrin Eksteen has also been a very good performer not only this year but in the previous year or so and i really think he should also get a chance. Bosch is the big flashy name so i feel Eksteen like Van Tonder will always be relegated to the 2nd sides etc. With other flyhalves returning from injury i cant see April being included in the Boks post this series, just my opinion. So he should be the no.1 choice for CC flyhalf with Radebe (if ever fit) on the bench.

  • Comment 5, posted at 08.06.16 10:16:46 by SheldonK Reply
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  • best outcome, Willie stays for an extra year and Curwin gets to learn from him in SR?
    I really don’t want Willie to leave so soon!

  • Comment 6, posted at 08.06.16 10:27:58 by gregkaos Reply
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  • I alao enjoyed watching Bosch yesterday. He has a monster boot and he loves to run. Im sure it will be April at 10 and Bosch at 15 come Currie Cup. As far as I know Tedder is going overseas as he qualifies for citizenship through family (i might have the cats tail in my hand, but i recall something like that) Please correct me if I am mistaken.

  • Comment 7, posted at 08.06.16 10:38:18 by Fox Reply

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  • I’d welcome this approach. Apart from it being tried and tested on players like Lambie, it means that we can start both Inny and Curwin in our CC side. Mouthwatering prospect.

  • Comment 8, posted at 08.06.16 10:41:45 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Hulk (Comment 4) : Tedder is going to France

  • Comment 9, posted at 08.06.16 10:43:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Fox (Comment 7) : I hope Tedder doesn’t up and leave as it seems like he has hardly given himself enough time to establish himself before deciding he’s being over looked. Maybe I’m wrong and there is a history I’m unaware of.

  • Comment 10, posted at 08.06.16 10:45:11 by Hulk Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) : Just one thing Rob, yes, the kid is unbelievable with ball in hand and can kick a mile. He lacks heart on defence though and will need to improve this if he is going to go all the way. I saw it at Craven Week and again last night. When that wing went through, Bosch had ample time to get across and make the tackle, but he backed off.

    At CW, the same thing happened – a WP centre broke through and Bosch hung off him. part and parcel of being a great 15, is the ability to tackle one on one. He is a fantastic player and I am not doubting his ability at all, but what put Tedder ahead of him, was Tedder’s bravery on D, it is a non negotiable especially among the men.

  • Comment 11, posted at 08.06.16 11:15:29 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 11) : U make a very good point.

  • Comment 12, posted at 08.06.16 11:25:24 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 11) : I agree, but Tedder has opted not to stay and fight, so what do we do? It’s pointless making the comparison.

    I saw Curwin make some very good tackles last night too (although I’m not disputing your position either since it’s a known weakness).

  • Comment 13, posted at 08.06.16 11:31:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • Rob is Morne still going to be around for the CC? If so than the FUTURE looks very bright :cool:

  • Comment 14, posted at 08.06.16 11:54:36 by Tumza Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 13) : Tedder is going and it is pointless, but I feel he was put in a corner and could see no light at the Sharks – although, to me anyway, it seems Horak believes he is a better all-rounded player than Bosch. I am just saying in terms of Super Rugby, I would not like Bosch ( at this point ) being our last line of D.

    Until I see heart on D, I have my doubts. Perhaps he can prove me wrong in this WC, but what I saw yesterday irritated me, he should have got across and at the very least, attempted to tackle the Jap/Fig/Sam/Ton wing.

  • Comment 15, posted at 08.06.16 11:56:07 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Tumza (Comment 14) : Morne Joubert? Where is he at the moment, also think he is very talented but they giving him no game time in the CC qualifiers – hopefully we will see him in the u21s

  • Comment 16, posted at 08.06.16 11:57:15 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 11) : Agree but some would argue Willie is also found wanting on defence at times. That by no means makes it excusable per say but teams do tend to find a way to work around it.

  • Comment 17, posted at 08.06.16 12:17:11 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 17) : Willie always reminded me of the lead actor in Banshee,if all fails we could sign him he has a mean defence

  • Comment 18, posted at 08.06.16 12:20:55 by The hound Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 17) : Willie is not the best defender no, but he puts his body in the line of fire. To not try, is a problem. If we continually look to find a way around it, we will never be the best side in the world. You will not find an All Black side trying to protect a player weak on defence. It causes issues as players do not trust a player who does not tackle.

  • Comment 19, posted at 08.06.16 12:23:29 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @The hound (Comment 18) : Never noticed that but you’re right :grin:

  • Comment 20, posted at 08.06.16 12:23:52 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 19) : Whoa, you’re comparing a CC side comprised mainly of youngsters and second stringers to the All Blacks though. The case is currently being made for trying him out at fullback at CC level in preparation for SR next year. What better way to try and assess and fix his shortcomings. If they can’t be addressed in CC then I absolutely agree that there’s a case to be made that he should not be used at fullback in SR.

    To reiterate, I absolutely agree with your points made earlier but also feel that CC is a good competition in which the coaches can work with the guy and monitor his progress before guiding him in making decisions on his future in one or more positions.

  • Comment 21, posted at 08.06.16 12:32:28 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 11) : I didnt watch the game but his defence has been the one big issue I noticed from last years Craven Week, when I read this article and Sheldons comment that he seems to be better defending from 15 I was very happy as it seemed, to me anyway, that he has found the best position for him because at 10 he really battled on defence.

  • Comment 22, posted at 08.06.16 12:38:15 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 19) : Sounds to me like he just needs to spend a bit of quality time with Omar. Problem sorted.

  • Comment 23, posted at 08.06.16 12:38:50 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) : I’m incredibly disappointed by this.

  • Comment 24, posted at 08.06.16 12:41:07 by Hulk Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 5) : can eksteen play wing?

  • Comment 25, posted at 08.06.16 12:44:49 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 21) : I am comparing SA rugby in general to that of the All Blacks, look at our Full Backs recently – Kolbe, Kirschner etc – these guys are not great defenders by any means – to give Kolbe credit, he is also at least brave, but never the less, if a line break is achieved, I never feel comfortable having a weak defender at the back.

    I may be wrong, but defence to me, comes down to attitude, Kolbe has the right attitude as he gives it a go. I am worried that Bosch does not have the spirit, the heart to tackle. If you watched the CW final, you would know what I mean.

    He is a massive talent and I hope he proves me wrong, but again, thinking of him in a CC side with the likes of PSDT breaking the line and running at him, makes me shudder. I do not think he is ready.

  • Comment 26, posted at 08.06.16 12:47:52 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • 15/10bosch 10/15april 10/15/12lambie 10radebe 15eksteen 15joubert .can one or both of eksteen and joubert play wing?or even tried at no13?there is also still the option of rhyno smith.

  • Comment 27, posted at 08.06.16 12:54:25 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 26) : imo louis ludik,frans steyn,stefan terblanche were the best tackling no15s the past 10 years in sa rugby.not saying that because of any sharks bias.

  • Comment 28, posted at 08.06.16 13:01:48 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 26) : We moving down two different lines of thought here that’ll end up in some pointless debate. Let’s just rather leave it at: I agree with your original point but reckon a good coach in the right environment could do wonders.

  • Comment 29, posted at 08.06.16 13:12:36 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Hulk (Comment 24) : Me too, but good luck to him, it cant be fun performing constantly and yet still being in the shadows. Im glad his VC and CC coaches at least seemed to have faith in him, which also makes me think that he may have been a bit hasty in his decision to move on.

  • Comment 30, posted at 08.06.16 13:13:41 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 29) : which is why I want to read heyneke meyer’s biography of his time as bok coach.

  • Comment 31, posted at 08.06.16 13:17:04 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 9) : nice article Rob. Another thing was his positional play. Think Bosch had a really good game.

  • Comment 32, posted at 08.06.16 13:30:05 by JD Reply
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  • I like Bosch so let’s see how he does in this WC and this year’s cc

    his abit slight of frame right now but he will bulk up and is still very young, let’s not do a Johan goosen and over expose kids too soon

    maybe the coaching staff instructed him to back off thus weighing the risk reward of a key play maker getting injured. which is what HM should have told golden then he wouldn’t have gotten flattened by a galloping Sam whitelock who still scored. putting goosen out for months

    with guys like Bosch to cover both fh and fb. April the same

    eksteen covers fullback

    Radebe at fh

    I’m excited for this year’s cc

    haven’t seen morne

  • Comment 33, posted at 08.06.16 13:31:55 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 30) : This is why I’m so disappointed. It’s not like he’s been disregarded. Bosch started Varsity Sheild, got injured, Tedder took over and kept his place through good performances. Then he played some CC Qualifiers if I’m not mistaken and was backed there too. So my question is what motivated him to move so early in what looked like a good positive career? Is it money? Is he impatient? Does he not want to fight for a spot in the team? Has he been told he’s surplus to requirement?

  • Comment 34, posted at 08.06.16 13:41:19 by Hulk Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 33) : Im not sure i agree with wanting a coach to tell a guy to hold back. If he is doing that it is very concerning to me.

  • Comment 35, posted at 08.06.16 13:42:45 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 34) : Money is probably a pretty safe bet

  • Comment 36, posted at 08.06.16 13:44:13 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Hulk (Comment 34) : I really think its a simple numbers game for Tedder…Lambie, April, Radebe, Bosch all pretty much ahead of him in reality. So being 5th choice he thought he would earn some money playing overseas.

  • Comment 37, posted at 08.06.16 13:46:15 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 36) : If you knew him or those close to him, you would know this is not the full truth. From what I heard, the contract is equivalent to the Sharks contract, the difference being he will have more opportunity at a higher level. You do not get paid huge bucks as a 19 year old

  • Comment 38, posted at 08.06.16 14:24:31 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @SheldonK (Comment 35) : Ja for sure, I think that is a crap statement. I mean really, on a rugby field, no one is going to be told to hold back – anyone who has played will know this to be a silly statement.

  • Comment 39, posted at 08.06.16 14:25:37 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 38) : But I don’t and therefore I could only speculate that he’s leaving for the same reason many other players are leaving. And for what it’s worth, there are no negative undertones veiled in my comment regarding money. It’s a perfectly reasonable and justifiable reason to move on in my opinion.

  • Comment 40, posted at 08.06.16 15:10:38 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Vonno13:I agree with you that Curwin’s kicking game is unbelievable but he doesn’t put his body on the line , his defence is poor and with last nights game in mind he cannot play under pressure.

    @sheldank: Eksteen also play a very good kicking game but doesn’t like to defend either. It seems as I though he is trying to avoid tackles and doesn’t have the speed to hit the gaps like Willie.

    @fox: Tedder is also a very talented player and his decision to go to Toulon is the right decision in my opinion, because where is he going to play in a good team in the new South African system. He can now still play for France in the future and earn a good income .

    @Tumza: I saw Morne Joubert playing in a weak U/19 CC team last year and he still managed to play incredibly. His running with the ball in hand was amazing, he has a solid defence and I stopped counting how many tries he created for his teammates by breaking lines and his agility and speed. He was struggling with his kicking game but hopefully the Sharks work with him and his kicking. I also hear from one of the UKZN players dad, that Joubert scored 26 points for UKZN in a club game and was 80% part of scoring 9 tries in the last club game for UKZN. He is also part of the 10′s team that will go to the World Club Championship in Mauritius from the 18′h – 19 “h June.

  • Comment 41, posted at 08.06.16 15:32:01 by The Coach Reply

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  • @The Coach (Comment 41) : Do you know who else is in that 10s team?

  • Comment 42, posted at 08.06.16 15:35:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 39) : then don’t play someone at a level that his not physically ready yet. what ever his age.NZ get this balance rite. Your just risking injuries and the players are less likely to feel that they can play with freedom and enjoy the time on the park

  • Comment 43, posted at 08.06.16 15:45:28 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @The Coach (Comment 41) : Glad to hear Morne is doing well. When is the 10′s side going to be announced? Do you know the squad?

  • Comment 44, posted at 08.06.16 15:45:51 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @revolverocelot (Comment 43) : Sometimes coaches are forced into playing certain players. Remember, someone has spent a lot of money on said players and wants to know why they are not being picked. Money sometimes, if not all the time, speaks.

  • Comment 45, posted at 08.06.16 15:47:56 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @SheldonK (Comment 42) : announced on Friday

  • Comment 46, posted at 08.06.16 16:07:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 46) : Ok awesome. I think it could be a young side, mostly ‘club’ guys but will see

  • Comment 47, posted at 08.06.16 16:11:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Vonna: Sorry don’t know the rest of the team, hope to see the names soon.

  • Comment 48, posted at 08.06.16 16:39:53 by The Coach Reply

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  • If the sharks had the money and the player was available,I’d like to see the sharks get the japanese right wing on trail for the cc.

  • Comment 49, posted at 08.06.16 18:21:05 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 35) : Didn’t Rob du Preez snr ask for the twins no to be selected for SR last year? The point I’m trying to make is holding a guy back may be for his own good. It may be to give his body more time mature or get his mind right for the rigors of senior professional rugby.

  • Comment 50, posted at 08.06.16 18:25:46 by Hulk Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 37) : Fair insight but it seems Bosch is viewed more as a fullback going forward and I’d imagine Tedder is above Inny in the pecking order due to injuries and his good form. So that leaves him 3rd or at worst 4th and he’s only 20 or 21. Seems a good place to be.

  • Comment 51, posted at 08.06.16 18:29:00 by Hulk Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 46) : Do you know if the games will be broadcasted in SA? Should be fun to watch!

  • Comment 52, posted at 08.06.16 19:03:46 by HeinF Reply

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  • Strange how people are already talking down a guy who just finished school last year. So right now he is a bit suspect on defence – not many kids his age are perfect. Give him time.

    And that’s rubbish about attitude – if you think he’s achieved everything he already has without passion and commitment then you are truly naive. Patience…

  • Comment 53, posted at 08.06.16 21:36:35 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 53) : Cant agree more. He is being judged mostly on a perfect storm scenario in the u18 final. Nothing worked for EP and every single thing for WP.

    What I saw in Shield and now in Junior Boks makes me very excited and I am happy with his growth.

    He skills and defence can only improve based on how the senior side has been transformed in one year. He looks less suspect than Tim Swiel proved to be and more committed than Earl Rose, so there is still major hope. I would love it if Stefan Terblanche could be roped in as a personal mentor for him

  • Comment 54, posted at 09.06.16 05:11:02 by Kabouter Reply

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  • Percy was the worst defender in the history of the game…he won a World Cup. ;-)

  • Comment 55, posted at 09.06.16 08:07:14 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @Hulk (Comment 50) : Yes the DuPreez dad advised his kids to stay in junior rugby and let their bodies mature a bit. Thats very different to being told to hold back in a match though. Im all for not playing a guy if he isnt physically up to it. But once he is selected he must play full out. I lose a lot of respect for guys that hold back because they are ‘saving themselves’ in a game.

  • Comment 56, posted at 09.06.16 08:08:10 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Does anybody know who that Baby Boks captain, Ward, is going to play for?

  • Comment 57, posted at 09.06.16 08:08:23 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @Hulk (Comment 51) : I think Bosch is viewed equally as a 10/15 much like April is. Im also not sure if Tedder is ahead of Radebe if he is fully fit. So perhaps he is leaving a bit soon but turning down an opportunity like that at this age is very tough, especially with him down the pecking order. And yes he is still young so if he goes overseas for 3yrs and learns and matures and comes back at say 25/26 then maybe that isnt the worst thing that could happen

  • Comment 58, posted at 09.06.16 08:11:08 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Southern_Shark (Comment 57) : EP Kings as far as i know. He is a Grey High boy and goes to NMMU

  • Comment 59, posted at 09.06.16 08:12:33 by SheldonK Reply

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  • all blacks: ben smith waisake naholo malakai fekitoa ryan crotty julian savea aaron cruden aaron smith kieran read (c) sam cane jerome kaino brodie retallick luke romano owen franks dane coles joe moody reserves:nathan harris wyatt crockett charlie faumuina patrick tuipulotu ardie savea tj perenara beauden barrett seta tamanivalu

  • Comment 60, posted at 09.06.16 08:51:24 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 60) : No Damien Mckenzie or Lima Sopoaga. All Blacks going with the tried and tested with a couple new guys on the bench.

  • Comment 61, posted at 09.06.16 08:53:50 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I would still be very disappointed if Willie decides to leave. He has not been at his best this year, but he had a hand in many of the tries we scored this season.

    It is great that we have 19/20 year old players stepping up to the plate, but you don’t win a Super trophy with a team made of of 19/20 year olds. It is sad that SA is starting to loose so many 25-29 year old players to the Northern Hemisphere. Those guys should be the core of your teams – experienced but still young enough to inject some energy.

  • Comment 62, posted at 09.06.16 08:59:57 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 62) : eng vs aus should be interesting.

  • Comment 63, posted at 09.06.16 09:03:51 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 63) : yes,and we also don’t if the youngsters will stay long enough to repay the investment in them.difficult balancing act.

  • Comment 64, posted at 09.06.16 09:07:06 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 62) : I’m not calling for a team of 20 year olds. I’m calling for one very special one to be included in a team of mostly older players.

  • Comment 65, posted at 09.06.16 09:12:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 63) : thinking 2006/2007: beast and bissie had bj,carstens,smit in the frontrow mix when they started.sykes and even muller had ackermann and albert in the locks.kanko and keegan started with aj,britz,skinstad(’07) in the loosies.in the backline no9 pienaar (and kockott in ’07) had tony brown and butch at no10.barritt and murray had jacobs in the centre mix.back 3 had percy at no15.

  • Comment 66, posted at 09.06.16 09:17:23 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 65) : With JPP and Willie gone, 2 out of our back three will be very inexperienced. I would prefer Bosch to start in the Currie Cup and then gradually introduced to super games from the bench.

  • Comment 67, posted at 09.06.16 09:24:32 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 62) : Sadly this is the reality and that age is starting to get lower, kids of 20 are already being targeted and many are jumping at the opportunity, and who can blame them.

  • Comment 68, posted at 09.06.16 09:36:42 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 67) : Back 3 for CC could well be Sithole,Mjekevu and Odwa…Bosch can play off the bench. Not a bad backline for CC with Claasens, April, Sithole, Esterhuizen, Jordaan, Mjekevu, Odwa with Ungerer,Bosch on the bench. 22 man squads are silly though.

  • Comment 69, posted at 09.06.16 09:37:14 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 67) : we must definitely blood him in Currie Cup this year and see how he does.

  • Comment 70, posted at 09.06.16 09:39:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 69) : @robdylan (Comment 70) : I would throw Bosch into the deep end in the Currie Cup and see how it goes – otherwise the temptation will be to continue with Odwa all the time.

  • Comment 71, posted at 09.06.16 09:43:17 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 71) : I really really cant see a 19yr old Bosch starting ahead of Odwa to be honest. Nothing wrong with him playing off the bench and perhaps towards the end of the comp starting. Injuries will also play their part.

  • Comment 72, posted at 09.06.16 09:49:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • imo odwa can contribute a lot to the team at no15.nothing wrong with alternating game time between odwa and bosch at no15.can eksteen and joubert play wing?

  • Comment 73, posted at 09.06.16 09:54:50 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • Nothing wrong with starting Bosch in SR at 15. The Kiwis has been doing it for years, Played Umaga at wing, then 13, then 12. Also Carter played at 12 until he had enough experience to move to 10.

  • Comment 74, posted at 09.06.16 10:03:45 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 70) : Rob, why must we start him in the CC?? He is 19 years old and qualifies for U19 CC. Why not play him at u19 and a bit at u21 and if he dominates the u21 scene, then lets give him a go next year. We don’t want another Earl Rose story here, he is a slim 19 year old kid who needs time to develop Rob. You mark my words ( I have watched this kid play a lot of rugby at the cape schools week etc ) he needs time to develop and will get shown up and hurt at CC level.

  • Comment 75, posted at 09.06.16 11:03:43 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @SheldonK (Comment 56) : We’re arguing different points. Agreed never hold back in a game.

  • Comment 76, posted at 09.06.16 11:03:58 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 76) : Well im in agreement then with holding a guy back from playing at a level his body isnt conditioned for yet. It was argued that Bosch held back from tackles in a game because he was preserving himself and was said that Goosen should have done the same. And thats what i totally disagree with. Perhaps we on same page again now

  • Comment 77, posted at 09.06.16 11:17:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 72) : Will Odwa have another super rugby season in him? He is still one my favourites who always gives it all, but at this stage his mind will start writing cheques that the body just can’t fulfill.

  • Comment 78, posted at 09.06.16 11:38:22 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 78) : Thats a tough one…i didnt think he would be included this year…and he has mostly played off the bench. So cant really see that changing next year, assuming same coaches. I think a lot will depend on how he fares this CC where i feel he will have a more starting role

  • Comment 79, posted at 09.06.16 11:48:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 79) : So in your opinion if Willie leaves we will basically have to use Odwa at 15 in Super rugby or possibly April with Bosch perhaps getting some chances from the bench?

  • Comment 80, posted at 09.06.16 11:51:51 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 80) : If Willie goes i reckon April will be played at 15. Either him or Odwa. I dont think they will rush Bosch up the levels too quickly. I think he will play U21 CC this year with maybe the odd appearance in the senior side. Think he will be included in super rugby squad next year but whether he will actually play games, i think that depends on both his conditioning and injuries. He does seem a bit injury prone himself. Eksteen has been doing well for the Sharks XV, think he perhaps needs a look in as well.

  • Comment 81, posted at 09.06.16 12:05:51 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Antways, Bosch better produce, Smittie payed a few bucket fulls of cash to get him to change his mind that WP was not his actual team of choice.

  • Comment 82, posted at 09.06.16 12:08:14 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 82) : do you think the sharks should have a look at rhyno smith again?

  • Comment 83, posted at 09.06.16 13:34:49 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 83) : Um good player but having already said no to him i dont think they will look again

  • Comment 84, posted at 09.06.16 13:42:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Was Willie really only signed on a year contract? I cant get my head around that one but anyway if that was the case then Id think that Rhyno Smith should have been given a real look in as longer term player that could step up somewhere down the road.

  • Comment 85, posted at 09.06.16 13:55:14 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Lambie starts!

  • Comment 86, posted at 09.06.16 14:50:39 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 85) : that was the longest contract he was prepared to sign

  • Comment 87, posted at 09.06.16 15:01:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • Boks team looks very good to me. Stoked to see our new backline. I think Lambie will have an absolute cracker on Saturday, just to prove to Coetzee that he is better than Jantjies.

  • Comment 88, posted at 09.06.16 15:19:14 by Fox Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 87) : I guessed so, I dont think I like that though. could be an interesting debate for another day.

  • Comment 89, posted at 09.06.16 15:19:29 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Fox (Comment 88) : I really hope so with every fiber of my being that he does that

  • Comment 90, posted at 09.06.16 15:27:12 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • So basically you mean like Lambie did ????

  • Comment 91, posted at 09.06.16 17:43:53 by Sharkfinn Reply

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  • I put a smiley face and it came out with ??. …anyway hope Lambie has a cracker Saturday!

  • Comment 92, posted at 09.06.16 17:48:43 by Sharkfinn Reply

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  • @KingRiaan I fully believe he will. Lambie is a machine when put under pressure. And with Jantjies hot on his heels for the 10 jersey he knows he has to be sublime.

  • Comment 93, posted at 09.06.16 20:26:10 by Fox Reply

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