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Pat one of five Sharks as Boks prepare for Ireland


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 9 Jun 2016 at 15:27
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Patrick Lambie will start at flyhalf in the first Springbok team of new coach Allister Coetzee’s tenure. The Sharks captain is joined by debutant Faf de Klerk from the Lions in an exciting halfback pairing to take on the Irish at Newlands on Saturday.

Captain Adriaan Strauss is flanked by Beast Mtawarira and Frans Malherbe in the front row, with Eben Etzebeth and Lood de Jager completing a rather cosmopolitan tight five representing four different provincial franchises. Francois Louw and Duane Vermuelen – perhaps controversial foreign inclusions – combine with local man Siya Kolisi in a back row that appears well balanced.

Damian de Allende and Lionel Mapoe form an all-new centre pairing, while at the back, it’s all black and white as Lwazi Mvovo, JP Pietersen and Willie le Roux complete the Sharks contingent.

A number of new faces have been included on the bench, including a few popular choices from the in-form Lions. Julian Redelinghuys, Warren Whiteley and Elton Jantjies are all set to make an impact in the second half, with Stormers hooker Boni Mbinambi the only uncapped player amongst the reserves. Trevor Nyakane, Pieter-Steph du Toit, Rudy Paige and Jesse Kriel complete the 23.

South Africa:
15 Willie le Roux, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Lionel Mapoe, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Lwazi Mvovo, 10 Patrick Lambie, 9 Faf de Klerk, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Siya Kolisi, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Lood de Jager, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Adriaan Strauss (capt), 1 Tendai Mtawarira
Subs: 16 Bongi Mbonambi, 17 Trevor Nyakane, 18 Julian Redelinghuys, 19 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 20 Warren Whiteley, 21 Rudy Paige, 22 Elton Jantjies, 23 Jesse Kriel



102 Comments

  • I actually really like the team. If only we had a better hooker, and captain.

  • Comment 1, posted at 09.06.16 15:30:48 by Nostraseth Reply
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  • Side pretty much as expected and its a good one i believe. Lets hope they combine well together and put away a good Ireland side.

  • Comment 2, posted at 09.06.16 15:31:30 by SheldonK Reply

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  • That is the most exciting Bok team I’ve seen in 4 years. Hallelujah.

  • Comment 3, posted at 09.06.16 15:31:54 by Hulk Reply

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  • weird to see LionS in the Bok team …

  • Comment 4, posted at 09.06.16 15:32:32 by Zibbie Reply
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  • Only changes I would have had, is Kriel in for Louw, and Combrinck in place of Jessie Kriel

  • Comment 5, posted at 09.06.16 15:32:58 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 5) : you should like you would have been an awesome Lions supporter

  • Comment 6, posted at 09.06.16 15:36:51 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Nostraseth (Comment 1) : I can see Marx from the Lions being a firm starter in under 2 years.

  • Comment 7, posted at 09.06.16 15:38:45 by the-other-sharky Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 5) : Not sure what they more have to do but hopefully we will see them in 2nd test

  • Comment 8, posted at 09.06.16 15:38:58 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 5) : Wouldn’t have minded that at all but happy. Go Bokke!

  • Comment 9, posted at 09.06.16 15:41:32 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Not a bad team!!

  • Comment 10, posted at 09.06.16 15:42:02 by JD Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 4) : and so many of them!!!!

  • Comment 11, posted at 09.06.16 15:42:51 by JD Reply
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  • @Kabouter (Comment 8) : It makes sense that with only two weeks of preparations, to choose more guys with test experience, I’m sure they will get their gap somewhere in this series.

  • Comment 12, posted at 09.06.16 15:43:55 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 6) : Haha no, Sharks for life, but I know a good player when I see one.

  • Comment 13, posted at 09.06.16 15:44:44 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 11) : Im trying to remember the last time the Lions had more than 1 bok starter . The last Lions Bok starter was Taute in 2012 i think

  • Comment 14, posted at 09.06.16 15:45:04 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 5) : I’d have dropped Kloisi and Louw and had PSDT and Kriel. And had Combrinck in for Jessie Kriel. But still can’t complain about the team selected.

  • Comment 15, posted at 09.06.16 15:45:08 by Hulk Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 5) : @Zibbie (Comment 6) : @Kabouter (Comment 8) : @vanmartin (Comment 9) : slow down guys wouldnnot want to give the establishment a total hart attack!!!

  • Comment 16, posted at 09.06.16 15:46:24 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 16) : Haha yeah we can’t have that!

  • Comment 17, posted at 09.06.16 15:47:15 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 5) : should be kriel for xolisi.hard big grafters in vermeuelen and louw combined with the x-factor of kriel.

  • Comment 18, posted at 09.06.16 15:48:12 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @the-other-sharky (Comment 7) : Agreed, and I bet the future captaincy will depend on whether AC decides Lambie is his starting flyhalf or not.

  • Comment 19, posted at 09.06.16 15:49:49 by Nostraseth Reply
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  • @Hulk (Comment 15) : psdt at no7 could be a big hit.where he started on debut for the sharks vs bulls.

  • Comment 20, posted at 09.06.16 15:50:53 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • Not a bad side at all – just a bit disappointed for Kriel, surely he has done enough for the Lions this season to get into this team. Would also have had Combrink ahead of J Kriel.

    Lets hope Faf has been given the all clear to attack

  • Comment 21, posted at 09.06.16 15:54:43 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • Interesting times ahead, Cant wait to see Faf with Lambie.

  • Comment 22, posted at 09.06.16 15:56:11 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Very good team, with just a few injuries forcing some selections.

    I really hope the guys click and perform well because of the progress being shown in this selection in terms of youth, skills and demographics.

  • Comment 23, posted at 09.06.16 15:59:38 by Big Fish Reply
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  • It seems people will always complain about every team but i really hope these guys play well and the Boks can start a new chapter with a dominant display. I dont think it will be easy as the Irish are also looking to restore some pride after a bad RWC and 6Nations.

  • Comment 24, posted at 09.06.16 16:05:22 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Nostraseth (Comment 19) : I think the future captaincy depends on whether Vermullen decides to return to the cape or not.If he does it is his,Straus sees his arse,Ntubeni comes in,Beast gets retired, Kitshoff gets the offer he can’t refuse,and PSDT comes in for deJaager.

  • Comment 25, posted at 09.06.16 16:14:02 by The hound Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 23) : 1st and 3rd considerations should not even be mentioned with selection.

  • Comment 26, posted at 09.06.16 16:14:13 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 25) : And we have a total blue and white scrum.

  • Comment 27, posted at 09.06.16 16:15:25 by The hound Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 20) : I’ve always hated him playing 7, but he played a lot of age group there and effectively does a lot of hard work at the break down similar to what I’d want from a big flank. Also the lineout options would be amazing, Lood, Eben, PSDT, Duane. Every time Ireland throw in there’d be a chance to steal.

  • Comment 28, posted at 09.06.16 16:19:04 by Hulk Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 25) : Hope not or it just becomes HM 2.0 with all stormers rather than all Bulls.

    On a different note, you most have enjoyed last episode?

  • Comment 29, posted at 09.06.16 16:19:27 by Nostraseth Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 27) : interesting to know: has there ever been a starting bok pack from one province?maybe back in 1891?

  • Comment 30, posted at 09.06.16 16:21:59 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 28) : yes.was the talk back then not about psdt being the next juan smith?

  • Comment 31, posted at 09.06.16 16:24:06 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Nostraseth (Comment 29) : I’m honestly not concerned about which province who comes from ( chances are good they just arived,or on their way soon,anyway, these days!).it is just the results on the field that matter.just win.

  • Comment 32, posted at 09.06.16 16:29:01 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 6) : Id be an even better one, I would have Combrink starting.

  • Comment 33, posted at 09.06.16 16:29:28 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 33) : you would have to drop a sharks player for that toe happen ?

  • Comment 34, posted at 09.06.16 16:32:10 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 34) : Combrink is one of ours,just like Whitely is one of ours don’t forget it

  • Comment 35, posted at 09.06.16 16:37:30 by The hound Reply
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  • good team, I’m stoked for pat but I do feel for Elton as his been on fire all season but had some heavy injuries lately looks very patched up

    I’m ok with Strauss as number 1 hooker for now, his a good player, I rate him as being better than all our options at the sharks rite now. Not in the best of form but I’m ok with it

    AC clearly trying to find a balance between youth and experience

    and trying his best not to pick players based in Europe

    I may have gone with Ariel instead of Louw in the whole squad and then pick johan goosen instead of april

    Not that I don’t rate april just didn’t think he would be third in line at the national team. but I hope he proves me wrong

    imagine ac picked Jannie lol

    How many bok caps does beast have ? looks like he’ll make it too 100

    with Koch leaving for sarries I think Addrianse may get a look in at tight head

    I think he wasn’t picked cause his not seen as as mobile as the other tight head options

    Marcel van der merve also leaving for Toulon so spaces opening at TH

    I’d move Trevor over to 3 his a really good TH

  • Comment 36, posted at 09.06.16 16:40:59 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 34) : No problem, Sharks players arent invincible and if we are talking form….then its a no brainer.

  • Comment 37, posted at 09.06.16 16:44:28 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 35) : And that.

  • Comment 38, posted at 09.06.16 16:44:59 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • And Party is vice captain!

  • Comment 39, posted at 09.06.16 17:08:44 by Pokkel Reply
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  • And Pat is vice captain!

  • Comment 40, posted at 09.06.16 17:09:01 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Pat is going to love all the fast clean ball from Faf. Must be the first time in his career as a Bok that he is paired with a decent scrummy.

  • Comment 41, posted at 09.06.16 17:12:42 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 40) : where did you hear that?

  • Comment 42, posted at 09.06.16 17:22:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 42) : On sarugbymag Facebook page.

  • Comment 43, posted at 09.06.16 17:27:02 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 43) : thanks. Interesting that it wasn’t mentioned in the official release

  • Comment 44, posted at 09.06.16 17:33:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 40) : excellent news!

  • Comment 45, posted at 09.06.16 17:43:11 by gregkaos Reply
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  • Interestingly, the same article naming Pat as Vice captain, says AC would have rather started with Elton if he was not sure he was 100%. Call me gullible, but this is AC’s first test and he wants to win it and he believes that Pat can do that. Elton will surely get his chance to start, but this might be an indication that AC rates Lambie higher that Elton and if he plays well, might be the favourite to start most matches at 10

  • Comment 46, posted at 09.06.16 21:20:55 by HeinF Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 46) : I read that too but I’m not so sure the guys heard AC right or misunderstood something. One article says that’s not the case an would have started Pat regardless. Also read one that says Pat will take over as Captain if Strauss leaves and another says Duane will.

  • Comment 47, posted at 10.06.16 07:20:04 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 47) : That’s why I said call me gullible,maybe I just want to believe! ;) Even though Jantjies is on good form, I think Lambie deserves his chance after keeping the bench warm all these years

  • Comment 48, posted at 10.06.16 07:43:44 by HeinF Reply

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  • Nice to see that Alistair has stated that Pat was first choice, and not just starting due to Elton’s injury

  • Comment 49, posted at 10.06.16 07:55:05 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 47) : Its like Oprah…everybody gets a turn to be captain :)

  • Comment 50, posted at 10.06.16 07:56:14 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 48) : And consistently playing well. Elton has benefitted from playing in a strong team environment…he was utter rubbish at the Streamers.

    Lambie has delivering consistent quality performances at all levels of the game, under half-a-dozen different coaches.

    Elton strikes me as a confidence players, when the chips are down, he goes missing. Lambie delivers irrespective of the situation he finds himself in….even when it’s a deciding penalty that is completely out of his kicking range.

  • Comment 51, posted at 10.06.16 07:57:13 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 51) : Question is…would they work in the same team….

  • Comment 52, posted at 10.06.16 08:04:33 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I must say im interested to see how Garth April goes against Danny Cipriani tonight. Could also possibly see how April does behind a retreating pack

  • Comment 53, posted at 10.06.16 08:31:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 51) : That is one of my problems with Pollard as well,he only does well when he is confident. Elton deserves to be in the team, but if you look at the complete package, Lambie deserves this start

  • Comment 54, posted at 10.06.16 08:34:15 by HeinF Reply

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  • For the first time in a long time, I’m really excited for a Bok game. This team is such a breath of fresh air, now let’s just hope that they employ an exciting game plan.

  • Comment 55, posted at 10.06.16 08:57:11 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 55) : Can only play an ‘exciting gameplan’ if you going forward…as always it all starts with numbers 1-5.

  • Comment 56, posted at 10.06.16 08:59:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 56) : Yeah, obviously you still have to do the basics very well, without that you have no base from which to attack, but I would like to see the guys using the boot only as an attacking weapon, not just hoof it down the park and hope for the best as was HM’s style, and also, hope Toetie give them the freedom to play the situation, we have wonderful attacking players in every position in the backline, so I hope his gameplan is build around their individual skills, and not trying to shoehorn them into a specific robotic plan.

  • Comment 57, posted at 10.06.16 09:05:56 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • Just my personal opinion but I think Elton has turned the corner regarding being a confidence player, especially in this SR season. Let’s also take into account that the death of his father seemed to be a huge blow to the poor man during those confidence playing days. He may not be the finished article but let’s acknowledge that he’s improved on a number of shortcomings in his game. Johan Ackerman has to take some of the credit there but I also think Elton has worked on maturing as a player.

    That’s my 2 cents but I don’t think anyone will argue that it’s awesome to have both Lambie and Jantjies in a Bok side.

  • Comment 58, posted at 10.06.16 09:17:57 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 57) : we do have fantastic attacking players and i hope they do play the situation in front of them and kick or run depending on that. We need to play intelligent rugby though not just high risk stuff. What i am hoping to see is our tight 5 really getting stuck into the tight exchanges and showing some aggression. I think thats something thats gone missing from SA rugby…even our tight forwards just want to do the flashy stuff. I want to see a mean and aggressive tight 5 from this Bok side.

  • Comment 59, posted at 10.06.16 09:20:25 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 58) : I’m glad Lambie is starting and think it was the right choice but agree with you here. Elton has improved sufficiently since his Stormers days and he looks a better player for it. I’d give Jantjies a start at Ellis park and see how it goes, I feel that would be the best time for it, he does deserve a shot.

    Does anyone here think Lambie is preferred to Jantjies at this point due to the poor year he spent at the Stormers and AC just not having complete trust in him yet?

  • Comment 60, posted at 10.06.16 09:26:03 by Hulk Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 58) : I agree with you on Elton having matured. That, coupled with his scintillating form this year means he could feel aggrieved at having missed out on the starting berth.

    Putting myself in Alistair’s shoes though, Elton’s mental fortitude has not yet been put to the test at the highest level, whereas Lambie has demonstrated that under pressure, his blood cools down until he has ice running through his veins (in contravention of all engineering principles!). Add to that the fact that he has 50 tests under his belt, that there is no experienced no. 9 anywhere within selection distance of the squad, that this is Alistair’s first test in charge, and that due to SARU’s dilly-dallying he’s had the bare minimum time to prepare for it, and I can’t help but believe that he’s made the right call (Sharks bias notwithstanding).

  • Comment 61, posted at 10.06.16 09:28:41 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Hulk (Comment 60) : Elton has been a good player these last 2 years and i think the stint in Japan helped clear his head and also get him to mature as a player. So he definitely deserves a look in. BUT im still not sure how wise it is playing him with a fractured hand. Fractures dont heal that quickly…one bad knock and he could seriously damage his hand.

  • Comment 62, posted at 10.06.16 09:29:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 61) : The one selection I’m feeling disgruntled with is Jessie Kriel over Ruan Combrink. It’s not as if Kriel has tons of Bok caps to his name, and he’s been rather poor this year, whereas Combrink has been electrifying. The argument of Kriel covering 13 and 15 also does not carry much merit in my opinion; with Combrink covering wing and fullback, you could always move JPP to 13. Or bring Elton on at 10, move Lambie to 12, and have Dumb-ian De Ellendig at 13.

  • Comment 63, posted at 10.06.16 09:34:52 by Culling Song Reply
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  • So read a fascinating article analysing the Irish and how they play. On attack they love to hit the 9-10 channel on 1st and 2nd phase.
    This could be a deciding factor for Lambie to start. Eltons one major weakness is his defence.

  • Comment 64, posted at 10.06.16 09:39:04 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 58) : the voice of reason !!!

  • Comment 65, posted at 10.06.16 09:41:06 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 65) : yes. yes he is.

  • Comment 66, posted at 10.06.16 09:43:29 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 63) : On a related (but less relevant) tangent; I’ve always thought that Jesse Kriel’s facial expressions on the field are a carbon copy of this woman’s: https://youtu.be/vbrIyGe_1CA

  • Comment 67, posted at 10.06.16 09:44:00 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 64) : Interesting…i shall try remember that while watching on Sat. Ireland have a solid tight 5 but they arent most mobile…so im hoping our more mobile guys can cause trouble at the breakdowns. Although SA players dont ever clean past the ball so guess that idea is pointless

  • Comment 68, posted at 10.06.16 09:47:51 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 67) : :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: to much funny !!!!

  • Comment 69, posted at 10.06.16 09:48:09 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 63) : Agree with you 100% – Combrink is one of the form backs in SA at the moment and Kriel has been really shit

  • Comment 70, posted at 10.06.16 09:49:57 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 70) : Think Kriel is seen as being able to cover centre, fullback and wing if needed but Combrinck just seen as a wing. I do think Combrinck should have started in place of either JPP or Mvovo. Only downside to Combrinck is his defense has been a little suspect but not that bad. I must admit i was surprised that Sergeal Pieterson didnt make the Bok side as he has been very good.

  • Comment 71, posted at 10.06.16 09:53:50 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 68) : Recommend checking out thebreakdown[.]co[.]za for some interesting analytics. ps they are Lions supporters, but their analysis is really good.

  • Comment 72, posted at 10.06.16 09:55:35 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 71) : its not like Jesse’s D has ever been any good …

  • Comment 73, posted at 10.06.16 10:08:49 by Zibbie Reply
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  • Although I am delighted for Pat to start ,and have been a shorter of his since he was a primary school boy at Clifton,I do worry about how seriously undercooked his is coming into this game.He has hardly played any rugby this year.

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  • @gregkaos (Comment 72) : Cool i will check it out, thanks. Im always interested how different teams approach the game etc

  • Comment 75, posted at 10.06.16 10:09:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 73) : He defends better at 15 than 13 in my opinion.

  • Comment 76, posted at 10.06.16 10:14:25 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 76) : another issue i have with Jesse kriel .

    in 2015 he played 15 for the Bulls . 13 for the Boks
    in 2016 he plays 13 for the Bulls . now people want to shit him back to 15 …

    can we make up our minds please ?

  • Comment 77, posted at 10.06.16 10:47:37 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 77) : I think thats why he is on the bench so that he can cover both 13 and 15. The Bulls are playing him at 13 as they want Gelant to play 15 and have them both in the team and thats fair enough. For me i dont mind if he is at 13 or 15 as i think he can do well at either but at the moment he is not the no.1 13 or 15 so a bench spot is fine.

  • Comment 78, posted at 10.06.16 10:53:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 78) : very happy that Mapoe is getting a shot at 13 to show what he can do

  • Comment 79, posted at 10.06.16 11:03:22 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 52) : I think Elton is a good players, very exciting too – but I’ve seen far too much of him mouthing off at his team mates when things don’t go his way, as well as mouthing off at decisions from the ref.

    Lambie is polar opposite it seems, very respectful and understands and respect leadership hierarchy.

    Don’t think the two of them will be buddies, but Elton will do well as impact replacement once/if the game opens up.

  • Comment 80, posted at 10.06.16 11:04:32 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 79) : He has probably been close to the best Sa player this year i reckon so yeh definitely.

  • Comment 81, posted at 10.06.16 11:07:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 80) : Look i agree with your assessments of the guys but if everyone was the same we would have a bit of a timid side. So i dont mind that Elton has a bit of fire in him. My question is whether they would work in the same 15 or rather 1 play 1 bench.

  • Comment 82, posted at 10.06.16 11:09:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 80) : @SheldonK (Comment 82) : Lions has been the nice guys for way to long ! i like it !!get the job done

  • Comment 83, posted at 10.06.16 11:14:11 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 61) : @SheldonK (Comment 62) : Agreed, I’m certainly not complaining about Lambie’s start. I think his experience and Elton’s injury concern is what resulted in Lambie getting the start, especially in the context of what Greg highlighted regarding Ireland targeting the 9 & 10 channels. You don’t want a trial by fire at International level with a player recovering from injury. AC’s reasoning here seems sound but I am wary of Sharks supporters using it as a “I told you Pat is better than Elton”. Let’s rather rejoice in AC taking a leap of faith in two awesome flyhalves instead of playing it safe by calling up Morne Steyn.

  • Comment 84, posted at 10.06.16 11:26:17 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 84) : Very good points.

  • Comment 85, posted at 10.06.16 11:31:51 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 84) : Totally agree. While I’m far more critical of Elton than Pat due to bias, it’s brilliant that both of them are there. They really are the two best flyhalfs in the country and can only imagine their competition for the 10 jersey will be good for Boks, Sharks, and Lions. Not so much the other franchises!

  • Comment 86, posted at 10.06.16 11:39:37 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 84) : Listen here, I’m telling you Pat is better than Elton! So pipe down, mr.-self-appointed-voice-of-reason! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 87, posted at 10.06.16 11:40:00 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 87) : Greg is and always will be the voice of reason. I’m just a manifestation of one your many personalities and apparently one of them rates Elton quite a bit :shock:

  • Comment 88, posted at 10.06.16 11:50:09 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Interesting comparison of the first teams picked by AC and Heyneke Meyer:
    *Coetzee’s first Bok XV v Ireland, Cape Town 2016:

    15 Willie le Roux, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Lionel Mapoe, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Lwazi Mvovo, 10 Pat Lambie, 9 Faf de Klerk, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Siya Kolisi, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Lood de Jager, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Adriaan Strauss (capt), 1 Tendai Mtawarira. (Subs: Bongi Mbonambi, Trevor Nyakane, Julian Redelinghuys, Pieter-Steph du Toit, Warren Whiteley, Rudy Paige, Elton Jantjies, Jesse Kriel.)

    *Meyer’s first Bok XV v England, Durban 2012:

    15 Zane Kirchner, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Jean de Villiers (capt), 12 Frans Steyn, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Morne Steyn, 9 Francois Hougaard, 8 Pierre Spies, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Marcell Coetzee, 5 Juandre Kruger, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 1 Tendai Mtawarira. (Subs: Adriaan Strauss, Coenie Oosthuizen, Flip van der Merwe, Keegan Daniel, Ruan Pienaar, Pat Lambie, Wynand Olivier.)

  • Comment 89, posted at 10.06.16 13:25:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 82) : You mean Elton 10 and Lambie 12?….not for me.

  • Comment 90, posted at 10.06.16 14:57:38 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • some good games on this weekend :mrgreen:

  • Comment 91, posted at 10.06.16 15:13:25 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 90) : Yeh that or another combo. What i was asking is it always going to be an either or for the starting team or could it be both.

  • Comment 92, posted at 10.06.16 15:14:33 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 92) : When Serfontein went down and Coetzee was discussing his options, the first player he mentioned was Lambie at 12. He talked about his experience and ability to slot in at 12 if needed. I would not be surprised to see a 10 Elton 12 Lambie combo at some point this season.

  • Comment 93, posted at 10.06.16 15:28:40 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 93) : I do remember him saying that. So perhaps. I was just curious what people think.

  • Comment 94, posted at 10.06.16 15:37:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 93) : @SheldonK (Comment 94) : AC is a De Allende man through and through, you will not be seeing Lambie at 12 bar major injuries. He will also draft De Jong into the squad once his injury comes right

  • Comment 95, posted at 10.06.16 15:50:50 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 95) : Isnt DeJong doing the 7s thing? cant only have 1 inside centre. Although the Sharks seem to believe thats ok so guess so

  • Comment 96, posted at 10.06.16 15:52:45 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 95) : Don’t be so sure……You may see Lambie at 12 this Saturday, perhaps AC will bring Elton on for De Allende and move Lambie to 12. It is certainly possible, especially if De Allende is having a howler.

  • Comment 97, posted at 10.06.16 16:14:54 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 97) : I think this is purely because De Allende has been injured and may not be fully match fit. Coaches will always have a tendency to play players they have worked with and brought through the ranks and De Allende is one of those for AC. Besides, Pat must focus on being the best 10 in SA and cementing a spot at 10.

  • Comment 98, posted at 10.06.16 16:27:06 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 98) : I agree that Pat should focus on 10, all I was saying is that it is actually quite likely that AC will use him at 12 with Elton at 10 at some point this season. The fact De Allende is not fully match fit and he did not bring in a replacement for Serfontein, further emphasizes that AC sees Pat as his 2nd choice 12 at this point. So again, not saying that Pat should be used there regularly, just saying that it is likely to see that combo at some point this season.

  • Comment 99, posted at 10.06.16 16:35:44 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I also think that bringing on Elton when the game opens up and moving Lambie to 12 would be a lethal combination at that point in the game. Furthermore, the Sharks could employ a similar strategy with April, and move Lambie to 12 when the match opens up, would be lethal in my opinion.

  • Comment 100, posted at 10.06.16 16:43:24 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 99) : Ok I get you. I just don’t like that idea to much, Pat must be given the chance to cement a 10 spot to control out game. If we look at all the top teams throughout the past years, they all had a great flyhalf – Wilkonson England, Carter/Spencer/Merhtens All Blacks, Larkham Australia. To me, it seems that to be the best team in the world, you need the best flyhalf in the world. We have not had that in how long, if ever. Would be great if Pat can take the bull by the horns and become a world beater for the Boks, it is what we need.

  • Comment 101, posted at 10.06.16 16:43:56 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 101) : In an ideal world, Lambie would have been given the opportunity to cement his position at 10 a long time ago, but that just has not happened. I think the reality is that it would be naive for AC to ignore the superb form Elton has shown this year, and especially when the game has opened up. Instead of Lambie being benched at the end of the match I would much rather have him replace any of the current crop of SA 12s. No 12 in SA has stepped up this season so far, so makes far more sense to have De Allende on the bench at the end rather than Lambie. Also in the modern game, the 10 is not the only first receiver used. That is why having Elton, Pat, and Willie on the field at the same time is so lethal, any of the three can take that first receiver channel. Pat just happens to be the most versatile of all three, and may be the best at all three positions in SA. ;-)

  • Comment 102, posted at 10.06.16 17:07:01 by Dancing Bear Reply
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