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Boks call up Steyn


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 13 Jun 2016 at 15:05
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No no, not Frans…. Morne!

SA Rugby has just confirmed that Morne Steyn will come into the Bok squad as cover for the injured Patrick Lambie. Allister Coetzee – wisely I’d say – has revealed that he does not want to jeopardise Garth April’s development by throwing him into the test match cauldron just yet. Instead, Steyn, a veteran of 60 tests, will provide cover for Elton Jantjies.

“I made it clear we would definitely consider Morne as a replacement option because of his vast experience, and I would therefore not hesitate to draft him into the match-day squad,” said Coetzee.

“Garth April is still a talented young man and was selected to learn and to develop. It is his first year in Vodacom Super Rugby and his involvement with the squad will benefit him in the long run. Pat will return home for this week and we want to wish him well with his recovery.”



136 Comments

  • In the words of Achilles in troy…. “Is there no one else?!”

  • Comment 1, posted at 13.06.16 15:11:27 by Stiko85 Reply
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  • :cry:

  • Comment 2, posted at 13.06.16 15:12:16 by R Hayward Reply
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  • AG HELL NO!!!!!!

  • Comment 3, posted at 13.06.16 15:13:26 by JD Reply
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  • You must be kidding me, wow – talk about going backwards. Why not give JL Du PLessis a run, at least he is young and will still be around in a couple of years time.

  • Comment 4, posted at 13.06.16 15:14:13 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • South African rugby is in a dark, dark tunnel and I don’t see a light at the end

  • Comment 5, posted at 13.06.16 15:16:23 by RuckingFun Reply

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  • Not to be funny or anything but has anyone in the squad besides Steyn actually been in a Bok side that has beaten Ireland? Perhaps Beast and Strauss?

  • Comment 6, posted at 13.06.16 15:17:39 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 6) : JJP?

  • Comment 7, posted at 13.06.16 15:26:11 by JD Reply
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  • Might be going against the grain here but this call-up does make sense.

  • Comment 8, posted at 13.06.16 15:26:54 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @RuckingFun (Comment 5) : ja boet not even a train in the tunnel to give some light!!!

  • Comment 9, posted at 13.06.16 15:27:10 by JD Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 8) : think you might be the only other person besides AC to think it would make sense!?!?! But hey that’s the thing about opinions we all have our own!

  • Comment 10, posted at 13.06.16 15:29:10 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 7) : Yeh him too possibly. Would be interesting to know as we have lost to Ireland recently a couple times.

  • Comment 11, posted at 13.06.16 15:30:26 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I think the combination of Morne Steyn and Faf could be a disaster in the making, expect to see Paige starting with Steyn to play that Meyer game.

  • Comment 12, posted at 13.06.16 15:32:29 by The hound Reply
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  • Aggggg no

  • Comment 13, posted at 13.06.16 15:34:58 by Sharkfinn Reply

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  • Come on guy’s, who else is there to call up? MS is only 31 he still has some petrol in his tank and hold most Bok records as it stands. Who cares if its a HM game or not, I would at this stage take any win instead of loosing the series.
    Our problem was mostly with our forwards, they did not cover Faf all game long, he had a hard time at the base of the scrum, that’s where all our problems started, with or without MS if the Forwards don’t do the hard graft we going to lose the series this coming Saturday.

  • Comment 14, posted at 13.06.16 16:00:17 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 10) : I just don’t see the sense in throwing April to the wolves. He struggled at times against the Saxon, Ireland is not going to be any easier. Allow him the time to grow in the ‘A’ side. Morne Steyn may not have that much going for him but he has a cool head and a decent tactical boot.

  • Comment 15, posted at 13.06.16 16:01:41 by vanmartin Reply
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  • This makes good sense to me. We lacked tactical kicking after Pat got injured. Quick ball down the line is not going to work unless we put an end to their rush defence. We saw that over and over last Saturday. As much as people can rant about his style, no team enjoys playing against him because of the doubt he puts into their defence.

  • Comment 16, posted at 13.06.16 16:02:27 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 14) : Ah someone knows his rugby. If 1-8 dont go forward you may as well play AC himself at 10 as it wont matter much.

  • Comment 17, posted at 13.06.16 16:02:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Get Jake white back. Let him play his conservative gameplan with Dimitri Catrikiles at 10 and lambie at 15 .

  • Comment 18, posted at 13.06.16 16:06:25 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • Not the way I would have gone but certainly understand decision.

    On another note this fear of losing we have is always going to keep us from progressing. In 2009 many in the All Black set up said they needed to change to progress and they knew then that that would mean losing, it was brave and as far as they are concerned painful but looking back was worth it. We beat them 3 times that year. They lost 3 times so they could win countless. The Boks are in a worse place NZ were in 2009 so we’ll lose more than they did if we decide to embrace change. Sacrifice now to win later, but we are to scared to lose, so won’t.

  • Comment 19, posted at 13.06.16 16:08:43 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 14) : Morne Steyn can only look good if our forwards dominate. But all our good forwards are playing for Montpellier.

  • Comment 20, posted at 13.06.16 16:08:52 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • Yuk, belch.

  • Comment 21, posted at 13.06.16 16:10:37 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 20) : And Pierre Spies

  • Comment 22, posted at 13.06.16 16:11:07 by Hulk Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 20) : Both points are very true, but what flyhalf can actually preform if his forwards don’t dominate?

  • Comment 23, posted at 13.06.16 16:11:17 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Hulk (Comment 22) : except spies , I would rather have cheslin kolbe at 8 than spies

  • Comment 24, posted at 13.06.16 16:13:22 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • Jeepers, I think its going to emerge that Jacques Nienaber has agreed to help AC over the next 2 weeks as well.

  • Comment 25, posted at 13.06.16 16:15:13 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 17) : Hopefully I did not sugar-coat Sticks involvement in our vision less backline. Willie, who yes tries, but his vision is not on par. He makes skip passes when we have overlaps, meaning the Irish are able to drift on defence and make the tackles.

  • Comment 26, posted at 13.06.16 16:15:38 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 23) : we are not picking our best forwards . I would pick:

    1-beast
    2-Bismarck
    3-Redlinghuis
    4- Eben
    5- Paul Willemse
    6- Roelof Smit
    7- Jauques Du Plessis
    8- Duane

  • Comment 27, posted at 13.06.16 16:17:47 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 26) : The main problem i saw on Sat was that our backline was too flat so playing right into the rush defense hands. If a team is employing a rush defense then playing from depth can cause them issues with guys rushing at different speeds which opens up the inside ball. Willie is trying to hard i feel…and perhaps we need to see what other options we have from the back. All of this means little if opposition can dominate the ruck and tackle with a couple guys and have the rest spread out to defend and counter.

  • Comment 28, posted at 13.06.16 16:19:22 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 24) : That’s taking it a bit far ;)

  • Comment 29, posted at 13.06.16 16:20:05 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 28) : don’t forget the players having a break in the sin-bin while they dominating us.

  • Comment 30, posted at 13.06.16 16:21:37 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 15) : I havent seen the Saxons game but heard he was not that great but its clear that he was a lot worse than I imagined if all you guys think he still has a way to go.

  • Comment 31, posted at 13.06.16 16:21:57 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Not playing Garth April as back-up to Jantjies is the same lame excuse he gave for not playing Jaco Kriel ahead of Flo. When do you start building towards the next World Cup?

  • Comment 32, posted at 13.06.16 16:24:07 by Bite me Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 31) : He wasnt bad against the Saxons…but did seem very frantic and rushed. Im sure he was hyped up and probably trying too hard but he didnt give any composure to the guys around him. Not that Hands like feet Mnisi helped him much.

  • Comment 33, posted at 13.06.16 16:25:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Bite me (Comment 32) : Building for a World Cup 4yrs out is very silly. Injuries in a world cup year can destroy all thats built. Play each game on its merits even the RWC

  • Comment 34, posted at 13.06.16 16:26:21 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 15) : I’m not saying pick April Boshoff is available and playing good rugby. By all I’ve heard MS is not having a good season so why go back to him just because he’s got experience?!

  • Comment 35, posted at 13.06.16 16:27:53 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 35) : I actually forgot about Boshoff, I agree he would have been a good choice. I think what counted more for MS is his experience especially in this time of need.

  • Comment 36, posted at 13.06.16 16:31:19 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 34) : Much the same as keeping guys that will not be around in 4 years time.

  • Comment 37, posted at 13.06.16 16:32:14 by Bite me Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 27) : Duane did nothing on Saturday I’d rather have Notshe playing.

  • Comment 38, posted at 13.06.16 16:32:19 by JD Reply
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  • They should have called up Dimitri Catrikiles instead of Steyn . His boot is golden and is one of the stars in the top 14 this season

  • Comment 39, posted at 13.06.16 16:33:12 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 36) : I’d rather have Naas Botha on the bench than MS. Don’t forget Naas also have lots and lots of experience!!!

  • Comment 40, posted at 13.06.16 16:34:28 by JD Reply
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  • Experience, experience, experience, what is this experience thing – it must be what the 3 standout players brought to the game. Thanks for that PSdT, Faf and Warren Whiteley.

  • Comment 41, posted at 13.06.16 16:37:21 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 40) : haha, MS broke all NB records ;)

  • Comment 42, posted at 13.06.16 16:37:53 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 34) : maybe bring in a powerful runner like the lions’ j van rensburg at no12 to partner april?

  • Comment 43, posted at 13.06.16 16:40:41 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 38) : Notshe should play wing . His good but way too loose to be a forward. I just can’t imagine him playing on a wet field against the all blacks where he has to smash people back like Duane does . I actually know opposition wil run at him because he’s not physical enough in the tackle. He’s a great attacking player and his really fast for a forward. But I would move him to centre or wing

  • Comment 44, posted at 13.06.16 16:40:50 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • Ok, so with Steyn and Paige, and Jantjies and Faf there what game plan can we expect. A game of 2 halves maybe?

  • Comment 45, posted at 13.06.16 16:42:07 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 34) : that is very sensible.

  • Comment 46, posted at 13.06.16 16:42:25 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 44) : but when last did Duane “smash back players” like he did 2 years ago?!?!

  • Comment 47, posted at 13.06.16 16:42:40 by JD Reply
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  • Exactly as I thought. One loss and Coetzee is in a panic, not because he called up Steyn, but him saying they will “stick to a pragmatic game plan” just means we’re going to sit through skop en bid stampkar crap for at least the next two games.

  • Comment 48, posted at 13.06.16 16:42:56 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 42) : would still rather have NB on the bench!!!

  • Comment 49, posted at 13.06.16 16:43:16 by JD Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 48) : and I don’t think it will work against Irish?!

  • Comment 50, posted at 13.06.16 16:44:30 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 50) : We’ve been losing more than winning against them for a while now playing that way.

  • Comment 51, posted at 13.06.16 16:46:42 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 47) : He doesn’t have to smash people back but he has to atleast hold his ground and not give away gain line. He doesn’t have enough Physicality to play test rugby as a forward. He should make a good centre though imo

  • Comment 52, posted at 13.06.16 16:52:57 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 48) : Yep, that s why I say he should start with a clean slate while he is new in the job.
    Who am I fooling anyway, hell Ive sat through years of AC at Newlands frustrating the hell out of me, talent to burn on his doorstep but stuck with a defensive mind set and game plan.

  • Comment 53, posted at 13.06.16 16:56:55 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 53) : With you there. I reckon our national coaches probably don’t believe it’s possible for our players to play the situation, so they stick to coaching overly structured safety blanket rugby.

    Meyer also started off with a ball-in-hand gameplan where we scored some beautiful tries, most notably against the AB’s. Unfortunately we still lost to them, so Meyer pressed the typical old “SA strengths” panic button and the rest is history, which is now going to repeat itself.

  • Comment 54, posted at 13.06.16 17:06:48 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 35) : Boshoff would have been a good choice but has also been struggling with form. I think for AC it really did boil down to a capped Bok flyhalf with the most experience. I know we tend to trivialise the experience argument because Meyer really abused it at the end of his tenure. In spite of that, I do think it has some merit in this particular case.

  • Comment 55, posted at 13.06.16 17:09:32 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 54) : I said after the game that a test match can’t be won by a Stormers game plan, we need to start developing our attacking game a bit more so that we can get the balance right, at the moment there seems to be no real plan, so no balance, but I also think that AC would have needed a week or two extra with most of the guys to get his game plan across properly

  • Comment 56, posted at 13.06.16 17:48:53 by Henkb Reply
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  • I’m okay with this. I’m no fan of handing out cheap Bok caps, which is why I wanted to see Claassens in the team instead of Groom.

  • Comment 57, posted at 13.06.16 18:05:21 by Ben Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 8) : I thought I was the only one… :)

  • Comment 58, posted at 13.06.16 18:07:56 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 58) : ag no man not you to!?!?!? ;-)

  • Comment 59, posted at 13.06.16 19:51:42 by JD Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 58) : I’m in favour too. The reasoning is sound and there are NO other options.

  • Comment 60, posted at 13.06.16 20:46:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 60) : ag no it’s spreading!?!?! I feel so alone?!?!?! ;-)

  • Comment 61, posted at 13.06.16 21:28:25 by JD Reply
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  • asked this once today with no reply what is Pollards injury and how far is he away.
    Maybe he is suffering from a severe case of embarrassment from that Vodacom ad

  • Comment 62, posted at 13.06.16 21:44:02 by The hound Reply
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  • Would have preferred Boshoff or Goosen to be honest.Steyn is past it,has been for 3 years.
    @The hound (Comment 62) : I think he is out for the season…yeah..THAT add gets me sick each time it comes on..

  • Comment 63, posted at 13.06.16 22:02:29 by BarendL Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 62) : @BarendL (Comment 63) : hahaha might be embarrassment, personally I do think it’s ultimately a case of being pushed into the “big time” before his body was ready for it.

  • Comment 64, posted at 13.06.16 22:07:33 by JD Reply
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  • Pollard has huge stones for a youngster he handled the pressure well.What is his injury.
    The people who produced and wrote that Vodacom ad should be put in prison,you just don’t fuck with a youngsters image like that.
    Poor kid had no idea what the crap was about that he was being involved in.

  • Comment 65, posted at 13.06.16 22:16:54 by The hound Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 64) : They probably judged him to be ready for international rugby with his massively over inflated opinion of himself (I take it you are referring to Poepollard?)

  • Comment 66, posted at 13.06.16 22:17:06 by BarendL Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 65) : All that ego saw was R’s…cant recall what the injury was

    Edit: Apparently 9 months with a knee injury

  • Comment 67, posted at 13.06.16 22:18:11 by BarendL Reply
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  • @BarendL (Comment 67) : You are being harsh on him,he is only 22 the people managing him are to blame.

  • Comment 68, posted at 13.06.16 22:22:32 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 68) : He has been a windgat for a lot longer than he has been in the public eye, but its just my opinion

  • Comment 69, posted at 13.06.16 22:40:26 by BarendL Reply
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  • How’s that new era of Bok rugby coming along? #HM2.0

  • Comment 70, posted at 13.06.16 22:49:37 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Bite me (Comment 37) : You plan for the next game not the next 4yrs. Nobody knows who will be around n 4yrs and playing well and injured etc. So pick for the next game and series only.

  • Comment 71, posted at 14.06.16 07:59:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Im really not sure what all the fuss about Steyn is. If we get hammered up front again then it wont matter who is at 10…or maybe it will help having Steyn try kick 50m drop goals as thats all we going to get. First fix the issues up front before we worry about who is covering 10 from the bench.

  • Comment 72, posted at 14.06.16 08:01:01 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Well it makes sense that he called up Steyn, Frans, Goosen The Greek, are all tied up in play-off games and there is no way their clubs are going to release any of them.

  • Comment 73, posted at 14.06.16 08:14:46 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 72) : If the 10 doesn’t matter unless we have forward dominance, then why not back a local talent?

    What exactly is AC trying to achieve as Bok coach?

    JW stated clearly that his was a 4 year plan to win the rwc. Pdv probably aimed for the same, he was able to deliver two years into his tenure (then the wheels came off). HM claimed he wanted 100% win record at home, and no.1 ranking….he failed miserably.

    AC wants to achieve what?

  • Comment 74, posted at 14.06.16 08:25:37 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 74) : At the moment AC just wants to achieve a win this Saturday – otherwise the kitchen will really get very very hot.

  • Comment 75, posted at 14.06.16 08:37:39 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 74) : Agree it took all the other coaches a long time to revert to the emergency plan, Coetzee hit it in his second game.
    Calling up Steyn is on a best case scenario the equivalent of the A.B ‘s calling up Dan Carter,who is also still playing.
    That would probably be their 5th option,and it would still be better than our second option,Morne Steyn.
    We are in for a rough ride in the next few years.
    Watching Brazil not even make the playoffs in the Copa America,gives me the kind of tunnel vision of where we are heading.

  • Comment 76, posted at 14.06.16 08:47:28 by The hound Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 70) : The new era is here, cant you see how Sharksworld bloggers are embracing the recall of Morne Steyn (who battles to get a game for his club). In the old (HM) era there would be total condemnation for the same decision being being made. Embrace the new era, it is here.

  • Comment 77, posted at 14.06.16 08:59:53 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 73) : Is the club allowed to refuse to release a player if he is called up to play for his country? I thought not.

  • Comment 78, posted at 14.06.16 09:04:17 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 78) : From my understanding they are, however, this is the international test window, so I would assume they don’t have much ground to stand on, however I am sure they would be blowing allot of hot air if someone gets called up you they need in the playoffs.

  • Comment 79, posted at 14.06.16 09:15:11 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 77) : I agree Salmo, we’re so keen to embrace all things AC, yet in HM’s days we just about slit our wrists when he recalled FdP.

    Seems it was a personal vendetta for most, and not about Bok rugby after all.

  • Comment 80, posted at 14.06.16 09:15:54 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 79) : I know Vermeulens club did not want him to join the Boks but at the end of the day he pitched for Bok duty at Newlands.

  • Comment 81, posted at 14.06.16 09:19:45 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 74) : What does AC want to achieve? Thats a stupid question im sorry. every Bok coach wants to win as many of his games as possible. Thats goal number 1. Unfortunately in SA he has other goals he needs to achieve as well which makes things a little trickier. Why has he gone with Morne im not sure…perhaps he doesnt believe there is anyone locally good enough outside of Lambie and Jantjies and other overseas guys are tied up at their clubs. People make out like this call up will lose us the game. No it wont…our forwards getting abused is what lost us the game on Sat and will again unless something changes. There are bigger concerns than the backup flyhalf.

  • Comment 82, posted at 14.06.16 09:20:02 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 80) : In the past I would have thrown a major hissy fit, but now I just cannot be bothered to get upset. I guess I have arrived at the acceptance phase of my relationship with SA rugby :roll:

  • Comment 83, posted at 14.06.16 09:20:33 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 76) : The downward curve seem to have picked up exactly where HM left off.

    If we think things can’t get worse….take a look around at how well things go when the top cats get their fingers in the pie….the post office and SAA is a prime example.

  • Comment 84, posted at 14.06.16 09:21:33 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 82) : I gave an example of what I meant…my sincere appologies for overestimating your intelligence.

  • Comment 85, posted at 14.06.16 09:23:50 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 85) : What would you have liked AC to say? “I want to win every game by 50pts” and then after a loss every one will crucify him because he didnt win and he said he would? What does he want to achieve is still a stupid question. Do you really think he wants to achieve failure and ruin Bok rugby?

  • Comment 86, posted at 14.06.16 09:35:36 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 86) : I think he was appointed to achieve transformation nothing else.

  • Comment 87, posted at 14.06.16 10:19:40 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 87) : I think thats 1 goal but i truly like to believe its not the only goal. Do we really think the players would buy into that being the only goal, surely not. These players are professional adults and some seasoned pros. I would like to give them more credit than that. Same with AC. Yes he has more than 1 goal unlike other international coaches and its why a foreigner would never work here but i struggle to believe that his main goal is not to win test matches.

  • Comment 88, posted at 14.06.16 10:27:03 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 87) : we don’t discuss that here. End of discussion.

  • Comment 89, posted at 14.06.16 10:36:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 88) : His only goal should be to win tests on his terms. (why a coach would take up the post on any other terms is beyond me). Anyone giving him any other goals should walk a week in his shoes.

  • Comment 90, posted at 14.06.16 10:51:08 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 90) : Yes winning test matches should be the only goal and it is for basically every other national coach. But come on this is SA, we know different. We shall not discuss those things here but it is what it is in SA. Im sure as a rugby coach in SA every guy would love to coach the Boks. But lets not sugar coat it- Bok coach is probably one of the top 5 toughest jobs in SA

  • Comment 91, posted at 14.06.16 10:56:02 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 60) : So right. There really are no other options. Calling up anyone other than MS with less than 1 week before potential series loss is simply crazy IMO. Don’t care how on form Goosen/Boshoff/April/Brummer are, there simply isn’t time to get them ready for a do or die game in such a crucial position. If there is one flyhalf out there that can intergrate into the side and bring a bit of calm and tactical smarts to the Boks by Saturday it is Morne.

  • Comment 92, posted at 14.06.16 11:00:50 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 92) : Do you believe there is perhaps a role for Morne as Boks kicking coach going forward?

  • Comment 93, posted at 14.06.16 11:08:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 93) : At the rate that Lambkins is injured Id say that there is a role of Bok player for Steyn going forward.

  • Comment 94, posted at 14.06.16 11:14:07 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 94) : At the rate and seriousness of Lambie’s injuries in recent times i think he genuinely needs to think about life after rugby. In terms of Morne he is the best kicker the Boks have had in the modern era. So to utilise that in conjunction with our young flyhalves who can all seem to run pretty well seems like a good combo to me

  • Comment 95, posted at 14.06.16 11:28:45 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 93) : Maybe one day, but he is only 31 so that is a long way off.

    I really feel for Morne though, due to the treatment he gets from the general public considering what he’s achieved. Think some people need to have a quick look at the wiki page on him and scroll down to the records he holds. Warning: It’s a long read.

  • Comment 96, posted at 14.06.16 11:41:30 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 4) : Morne steyn will also be around in a few years :P

  • Comment 97, posted at 14.06.16 11:42:43 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 96) : 31 yes but i have a feeling its going to be tougher and tougher for AC to select overseas based Boks going forward so his international future could end quite soon i feel.

  • Comment 98, posted at 14.06.16 11:43:10 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 98) : True. But Pat is a excellent tactical kicker (when not freaking injured) and Elton has also shown that he can do the tactical kicking very well. He did it to us in SR just not against the Irish. I’ve no doubt that those two are the future, and that AC see’s them as that too. It’s a case of the best replacement for Pat at this time right now.

  • Comment 99, posted at 14.06.16 11:48:17 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 80) : the way Gavin Rich spoke about Faf , i wont be surprised to see FdP get a call up in a year or 2

  • Comment 100, posted at 14.06.16 11:58:18 by Zibbie Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 99) : No dont get me wrong i think both Pat and Elton can definitely get the job done. I think we should also realise that Elton must have been nervous playing on sat..it was his first cap in a long time and he is still nursing an injury. Morne Steyn is purely a stop gap i believe. I think genuinely Goosen and Pollard would be next in line although id still like to see Pollard move to 12. Think a play making and kicking 12 is something we missing. Its stifling the All Blacks too with Crotty there. They need SBW or Ngatai

  • Comment 101, posted at 14.06.16 11:59:21 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Zibbie (Comment 100) : I expect Ruan Pienaar to be included for the rugby championship with Paige and Faf.

  • Comment 102, posted at 14.06.16 12:00:51 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 102) : What about Bismarck,Goosen,Alberts,all better than anyone in the current positions

  • Comment 103, posted at 14.06.16 12:16:38 by The hound Reply
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  • I think Bismarck, Habana and Goosen will perhaps be included. I dont think Alberts will get a call though. Paul Willemse has been exceptional for Montpelier though. And some rate that Jacques DuPlessis but i dont

  • Comment 104, posted at 14.06.16 12:21:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 104) : Isn’t ,I can always spot a photo op, Habbanna going: to the Olympics with the 7′s.Jaques du Plessis is another player who is only 22 years old,Paul Willemse for me is not better than anyone of Ethebeth,deJager,PSDT,Lewies or Mostert

  • Comment 105, posted at 14.06.16 12:35:34 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 105) : Mostert is making it tricky to pick him with him leaving for overseas after super rugby. But yeh i dont see Willemse ahead of PSDT, Lood and Eben and yeh probably even Lewies, RG Snyman etc better. Taking Habana to olympics would mean a tough call on a good consistent 7s player. Think DeJong will possibly go though. I think if Louw doesnt have a good game this weekend or next he could fall out for rugby champiosnhip

  • Comment 106, posted at 14.06.16 12:41:02 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @gregkaos (Comment 96) : The reason he gets the treatment from the general public is exactly how he got all those records…he got picked for half of his 60 caps while showing poor form,kicking badly,costing us games and keeping better players on the bench until Heyneke deemed Pollard old enough.

  • Comment 107, posted at 14.06.16 12:58:14 by BarendL Reply
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  • Meanwhile down in proper rugby country the Chiefs 2nd XV smashed Wales 40-7

  • Comment 108, posted at 14.06.16 12:58:24 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • I don’t hate Morne, I hate the fact that we are in a position to have to pick him… :???:

  • Comment 109, posted at 14.06.16 13:00:23 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 108) : From what ive heard it was the Chiefs trying to prove a point and the Welsh trying not to get injured. Still not a great result for Wales after a good performance Sat. The Welsh dont seem to have blinked though, if that was an SA team there pangas would be sharpened

  • Comment 110, posted at 14.06.16 13:04:08 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 110) : The Chiefs proved their point alright! :lol:

    What I saw was that Stephen Donald still has more skill, vision and speed than most of our current backline players.

  • Comment 111, posted at 14.06.16 13:21:30 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 111) : Indeed. Apparently Stephen Donald was very good for them

  • Comment 112, posted at 14.06.16 13:23:41 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Just posting an interesting comment i saw on Rugby 365:

    I find it funny that Ireland defeated us in the exact gameplan people do not want us to play,

    Kicks of 9 and 10 or “skop en jaag”,
    Runners of 9
    In your face physicality.

    Amusing.

    We had more offloads, passes and more running meters.

    People should then applaud AC for playing the type of gameplan they wanted, but now there is hate

  • Comment 113, posted at 14.06.16 13:29:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 113) : What that comment failed to mention is that the kind of rugby AC’s Boks produced was NOT the kind of gameplan people wanted. I can’t recall reading anywhere that people wanted Stormers rugby, where nobody bossed the breakdowns, every second first receiver was a forward and nobody in the backline ran straight. Not to mention shocking discipline, pathetic ball retention skills, etc. The gameplan is only as good as its execution.

  • Comment 114, posted at 14.06.16 13:37:05 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 113) : yup! Agree with that.
    For me the most frustrating thing was that we did not even try to exploit the missing flanker. At scrum time their wing would join leaving a giant vacant spot begging for some to pin them in their 22. No one seemed keen to keep it tight and pound that area. Instead we flung it wide where their numbers matches ours.

  • Comment 115, posted at 14.06.16 13:38:48 by gregkaos Reply
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  • @gregkaos (Comment 115) : And then Coetzee accusing the Irish afterwards of not being “interested in playing”. Unbelievable.

  • Comment 116, posted at 14.06.16 13:48:50 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 114) : @gregkaos (Comment 115) : The interesting points i took from it are that the Boks seem to struggle with their own ‘ old school’ game plan played against them. Also that for either game plan to be effective your forwards need to win the tight exchanges, especially the breakdown. And then lastly it seems people want to see the Boks being more expansive and passing it more and not kicking but forget that the hard yards need t be done up front first before any of the flashy stuff.

  • Comment 117, posted at 14.06.16 13:54:25 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 117) : Exactly, but nobody advocated just going hell for leather, without the forwards getting us go-forward ball by being competent in the set phases and bossing the breakdowns. Any semi-intelligent person with basic knowledge of the game knows this. One would think that it’s obvious – apparently not for South African rugby coaches and/or players, though.

  • Comment 118, posted at 14.06.16 14:24:55 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 118) : Oh you would be surprised how many people that complain would like the Boks to play 15s exactly the same way 7s is played with throwing the ball around and not taking any contact etc. Ive seen a lot of abuse commented after Saturday and a lot of it blaming the backline for not being more creative etc. Very few comment about the forwards…i guess that shows how much rugby knowledge there actually is in SA.

  • Comment 119, posted at 14.06.16 14:29:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 113) : There are similarities there to the Sharks gameplan too. We’ve won a few this season while being accused of “not playing”.

  • Comment 120, posted at 14.06.16 14:29:35 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 120) : haha this not ‘not playing’ catch phrase really amuses me. The only ‘not playing’ was done by Stander and Lambie after their hug. The rest was pretty much playing just in different ways.

  • Comment 121, posted at 14.06.16 14:33:17 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 119) : Not surprised – I regularly read the Keo comments. :roll:

    The problem I have is that people calling for an expansive game are chastised when the Boks run around like headless chickens without setting the platform first, as if it’s the same thing.

  • Comment 122, posted at 14.06.16 14:35:00 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 102) : hougaard?

  • Comment 123, posted at 14.06.16 14:35:13 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 122) : I gave up on Keo long ago…altho i suppose i do entertain myself seeing some of the rugby365 stuff…some is quite funny…although im not sure thats the intention

  • Comment 124, posted at 14.06.16 14:55:36 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 123) : Hougaard will probably go to olympics with the 7s i think. If not he has signed with Worcester. Cant see him being part of ACs plans

  • Comment 125, posted at 14.06.16 14:56:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 124) : Some of it’s funny as hell, some of it downright worrying :|

  • Comment 126, posted at 14.06.16 15:05:01 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Zibbie (Comment 100) : Have you heard or read any other comment that came close to what Rich wrote. He (Rich) is getting a lot of flak from all quarters for that article. It does more damage to Rich’s reputation than it does to De Klerk’s.

  • Comment 127, posted at 14.06.16 15:36:52 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 125) : yes,that’s true.hope he makes the squad.going to be tough to crack a place for the rio team.see werner kok is also playing again.

  • Comment 128, posted at 14.06.16 15:46:25 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 113) : Excuse the saying but, screw the game plan – its the attitude that was missing, also the physicality, Add territory and possession and lineout steals to the offloads, passes and more running meters where we had better stats than the Irish. We also had more players than them but most importantly we had a crap attitude which nullified any game plan and superior stats that we had.

  • Comment 129, posted at 14.06.16 15:48:00 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 116) : :shock: did he really?

  • Comment 130, posted at 14.06.16 15:49:39 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 128) : Ya im not sure how big a squad they taking but will be a tough call on some.

  • Comment 131, posted at 14.06.16 15:54:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 129) : I think your first line hit the nail on the head…attitude and physicality. and then decision making. AC said we struggled with our exit- well just kick it long and chase hard…easy exit. So yeh attitude, physicality and decision making were all very poor on Saturday.

  • Comment 132, posted at 14.06.16 15:55:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 130) : Yes! :shock:

    http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Springboks/ireland-wing-hits-back-at-bok-coach-20160614

  • Comment 133, posted at 14.06.16 16:02:38 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 133) :

    ‘”They weren’t interested in playing,” Coetzee is reported as saying by the Irish Independent. “All they did was make it as difficult as possible for us to exit, just put it in behind us, turn us and we were actually bogged down in our own 22 there.”

    Yowser.

    BTW I watched Northern Ireland playing against Poland in the European Cup Finals – now those “God save the Queen” singing Irishmen werent interested in playing.

  • Comment 134, posted at 14.06.16 16:30:55 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 134) :

    I’m not really surprised about those comments. The dogma of the correct style of rugby is very strong in SA. Just witness many comments on this site. It’s quite possible that AC was genuinely surprised, or perhaps even outraged at the Irish not playing by the rules.

  • Comment 135, posted at 15.06.16 01:17:29 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 134) : What he said didn’t come across well in the printed media. However, if you watch the media briefing you’ll find that he complimented the Irish for playing clever rugby

  • Comment 136, posted at 15.06.16 06:45:49 by Baylion Reply

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