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Pat to miss Ellis Park clash


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 13 Jun 2016 at 09:35
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Pat Lambie, who was stretchered off against the Irish at Newlands after being knocked out cold by a CJ Stander challenge, will not be considered for selection for Saturday’s second test at Ellis Park.

Lambie suffered a concussion and while scans have cleared him of any major damage, he will now enjoy a mandatory week’s rest as directed by the concussion protocol. These kinds of injuries often require time to reveal their full extent, so Pat will be told to go and relax as much as he can for the next 7 days, before rejoining the squad and being reassessed.

It’s got to be at least possible that Lambie could come into consideration for the third test in Port Elizabeth, but with players often paying a high price later on for not treating concussions with the due amount of caution, I’d personally not be terribly optimistic about seeing him again this series.

The Bok medical team has reported no other casualties at this stage.



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  • Some good news at least. That could very easily have been a season-ender

  • Comment 1, posted at 13.06.16 09:40:54 by Die Kriek Reply
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  • It could have been so much worse. So glad it’s not a long term injury.

  • Comment 2, posted at 13.06.16 09:43:57 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 2) : I am not so sure about that having just watched that Will Smith movie Concussion,he needs an extended period away from contact and putting him in to the P.E. test would be criminal,he took a severe knock and was out for a long time.

  • Comment 3, posted at 13.06.16 09:50:30 by The hound Reply
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  • For me the biggest worry about Lambie’s injury is that Morné Steyn will now probably leapfrog Jantjies into the 10 jersey. I’ll bet good money that Coetzee will panick and go full-on defensive for the next two games, which will mean a carbon copy of Meyer rugby. :cry:

  • Comment 4, posted at 13.06.16 09:56:47 by Spirit of Rugby Reply
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  • Glad Pat is ok but i dont think he should play the remaining two games. Can anyone confirm if the Morne Steyn rumour is true? On basis on play this last weekend, Brummer should be called up.

  • Comment 5, posted at 13.06.16 10:14:07 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 5) : I also read that on SS this morning that Coetzee says he will not rush April into international rugby so he will have to look abroad for a back up for the remainder of the series, I don’t really like Brummer but it would be better to have him than to get turnstile Stern back into the mix, Goosen should not be available as Racing is playing QF this weekend

  • Comment 6, posted at 13.06.16 10:24:52 by Henkb Reply
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  • @Henkb (Comment 6) : I agree that Morne Steyn doesnt make sense, and he hasnt been that great in France. Not sure if you watched Fri but April did ok but was very frantic and looked like he was trying too hard. Brummer was very calm and composed when he came on and he also added some physicality in that channel. So whilst i know everyone hates him, he was probably the best SA flyhalf on show this weekend. Jantjies and Catrakilis probably tied 2nd.

  • Comment 7, posted at 13.06.16 10:30:36 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 3) : agree Hound. Pat was out cold and says he can’t remember what happened. That’s a clear indication of a brain injury and you do not stuff around with those things.

  • Comment 8, posted at 13.06.16 10:34:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) :@The hound (Comment 3) : I’m sure Dr. Craig wouldn’t have taken such chances with the players’ well being – he seemed to err on the side of caution, which for our prized player is what I’d prefer….especially considering Lambie’s comments regarding the incident.

  • Comment 9, posted at 13.06.16 10:38:23 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 7) : I think April still needs some exposure on the big stage before he is dropped into the deep, we know what he is capable of in super rugby, but as you said based on the weekends games Brummer is the better bet as a back up for the remainder of the series, the Cat had a great game for Montpelier yesterday, but I’m sure the French owners will also not let him go for this weekend, as he is not a contracted bok player

  • Comment 10, posted at 13.06.16 10:40:49 by Henkb Reply
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  • @Henkb (Comment 10) : I think April playing these SA A games is awesome for him and if Morne Steyn is called then he can bench for April in the SA A game. Brummer produced so give him a chance to bench for Jantjies.

  • Comment 11, posted at 13.06.16 10:42:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 9) : @The hound (Comment 3) : I feel for Pat, really I do, it seems as though he can’t catch a break, and I would prefer him not being risked, he can rather return to play for us when super rugby returns, and if he is over the concussion, we still have April than can fill that spot if he needs a bit more time, getting Mayweathered like that is serious and he still have a lot of years playing left in him rather than to try and rush him back

  • Comment 12, posted at 13.06.16 10:45:52 by Henkb Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 11) : I’m with you on that one, he can bench for April, and call up Brummer to the boys squad, I think this week will help also with coetzee having a bit more time with the guys, but we will have to look at the captaincy, Strauss, Vermeulen, louw, Mather be, DE Allende it was if they did not even feature, louw had one good steal that I can recall

  • Comment 13, posted at 13.06.16 10:49:36 by Henkb Reply
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  • @Henkb (Comment 13) : I really cant see him changing captain. it also wouldnt send a great message to the players that 1 bad game sees you stripped of captaincy. Especially as he is announced as captain for the series. Hard to get trust that way.

  • Comment 14, posted at 13.06.16 10:59:01 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 14) : that’s true, but I think he made a mistake by appointing him from the start, he should have opted for Whitley with Pat as vice, I think the loose trio this weekend should be, Kholisi, Whiteley and Kriel, then you get Flo on the bench with Vermeulen, they should also start Mostert with and maybe bring Lewies on to the bench, Malherbe should drop out of the match day completely, then you bring in Combrinck on the bench, as he also have an educated left foot on him, and can also take over goal kicking if the need arises

  • Comment 15, posted at 13.06.16 11:05:37 by Henkb Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 14) : that’s true, but I think he made a mistake by appointing him from the start, he should have opted for Whitley with Pat as vice, I think the loose trio this weekend should be, Kholisi, Whiteley and Kriel, then you get Flo on the bench with Vermeulen, they should also start Masterton with and maybe bring Lewies on to the bench, Malherbe should drop out of the match day completely, then you bring in Combrinck on the bench, as he also have an educated left foot on him, and can also take over goal kicking if the need arises

  • Comment 16, posted at 13.06.16 11:07:10 by Henkb Reply
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  • @Henkb (Comment 15) : I really dont see that many changes to be honest. Strauss was the logical choice as captain he has done it before and is no.1 in his position in the squad. Whiteley would be a good captain but he has to be seen as the no.1 in his position and i dont think AC think he is currently. Barring Jantjies starting i dont think we will see any changes…just a feeling

  • Comment 17, posted at 13.06.16 11:21:21 by SheldonK Reply

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  • should be rested for the rest of the series.was a big knock.

  • Comment 18, posted at 13.06.16 11:49:03 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 17) : I hope we do see some changes. I’d opt not to go wholesale but, 5, 6, 10 (forced), 14 would be where I change things.

  • Comment 19, posted at 13.06.16 12:13:04 by Hulk Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 3) : @robdylan (Comment 8) : for sure Pat must rest for at least 2 weeks before training again.

  • Comment 20, posted at 13.06.16 12:13:36 by JD Reply
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  • @Henkb (Comment 15) : @SheldonK (Comment 17) : @Hulk (Comment 19) : personally I can’t see AC changing any players except for injury. Could be a long series!!!

  • Comment 21, posted at 13.06.16 12:17:47 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 20) : Just thinking about it his last injury spells was to his neck ,I seriously worry for this boy,nobody not even Muhammed Ali can take that much damage above the shoulders.

  • Comment 22, posted at 13.06.16 12:19:17 by The hound Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 21) : I doubt that we will see any whole sale changes also, one that I would particularly like to see is Adriaanse in for Malherbe, he has been awesome so far this year, but he is not even in the a side so that is not likely to happen

  • Comment 23, posted at 13.06.16 12:21:55 by Henkb Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 22) : True, I would give him a bit more time to recover than the allocated two weeks

  • Comment 24, posted at 13.06.16 12:23:12 by Henkb Reply
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  • @Henkb (Comment 6) : don’t think Racing have an option of not releasing Goosen if AC picks him as this is part of the international window, as long as SA rugby do it in time and according to the international protocols. Also do not think it matters if the player is a contracted Bok just as long as he is needed for king and country they must release him during the international window.

  • Comment 25, posted at 13.06.16 12:24:01 by JD Reply
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  • @Henkb (Comment 23) : for sure Adriaanse has been huge this year. Another player that’s missing is Boshoff and for me he should be on the bench behind Elton.

  • Comment 26, posted at 13.06.16 12:26:30 by JD Reply
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  • Just for interest must CJ not appear before a SANZAAAAAR official/panel for being red carded?

  • Comment 27, posted at 13.06.16 12:28:37 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 25) : True, but look at Vermeulen he had to have a clause in his contract to state that he will be able to play for the boys, did he not have that I’m sure the French club owner would have found away around it not to release him for this series, as this is QF times for the top 14 teams, and all if them are in there racing, Toulon, montpellier and clearmont

  • Comment 28, posted at 13.06.16 12:29:01 by Henkb Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 26) : You right there, I actually forgot about him, and he does have some exposure although it is not a lot, will be a lot more asher to get him than one of the other guys

  • Comment 29, posted at 13.06.16 12:30:43 by Henkb Reply
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  • @Spirit of Rugby (Comment 4) : @SheldonK (Comment 5) : Nope, sorry but it has to be Garth April. He was selected in the Bok group and was given the starting berth in the A side on this criteria. He is next in line and AC must be brave enough to select him there. Bringing in players from elsewhere or promoting players above April would be sending the wrong message to so many people and most of all to April himself.

  • Comment 30, posted at 13.06.16 12:55:04 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Henkb (Comment 6) : So why did he select him in the first place, he would have played if Jantjies hadnt made an unexpected recovery.

  • Comment 31, posted at 13.06.16 12:56:56 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 30) : Thats fair enough then but that criteria should be followed throughout all the selections. Im happy for April to bench, but Brummer did have a better game than him on Fri.

  • Comment 32, posted at 13.06.16 13:06:55 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Looks like AC has confirmed an overseas flyhalf will be on the bench on Sat. Hasnt confirmed who but by all accounts its Morne Steyn as rest all involved in Top14 semi finals

  • Comment 33, posted at 13.06.16 13:12:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 33) : Hmmmm, makes me question why April was selected into the Bok group first up then anyway. :twisted:

  • Comment 34, posted at 13.06.16 13:15:01 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 34) : Yes Morne Steyn now confirmed. AC says April needs more exposure before he is ready for test rugby. So seems he was selected to learn but never actually play.

  • Comment 35, posted at 13.06.16 13:17:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 35) : Of course.

  • Comment 36, posted at 13.06.16 13:22:46 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 36) : Just take a second and think which is worse…Morne Steyn coming on and sucking and we lose…OR Morne Steyn coming on and winning the game through his kicks and thereby justifying a long term selection….

  • Comment 37, posted at 13.06.16 13:36:30 by SheldonK Reply

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  • So much for a new era then.

  • Comment 38, posted at 13.06.16 13:38:16 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 31) : look I don’t get that also, as it should be April next in line, although he did look a bit out of sorts on Friday night, but you can argue that he did not have any real time to practice with the team and to get what JA wants from the team, but is is confirmed that Morne Steyn was flown back to go as cover for Pat, so that will mean that he will be in the match day 23 according to the reports, whether it be on the bench or starting, I think that April will have a far better game on Friday being with the team now for more than two days and to get to practice with tjem

  • Comment 39, posted at 13.06.16 13:42:14 by Henkb Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 37) : you just awoke new nightmares with a couple of words for me :shock:

  • Comment 40, posted at 13.06.16 13:43:25 by Henkb Reply
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  • @Henkb (Comment 40) : Happy Monday :)

  • Comment 41, posted at 13.06.16 13:49:33 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 41) : How did we get to this happy Monday in this way? Surely there is better guys out there, in the IPL the guys from RCB had a saying after they lost their 1st couple of games, and they nearly won the whole thing #playbold, can AC not make a couple of bold moves since we are already on the back foot in this series, play April on the bench, you even have Jean Luke Du Plessis from the streamers if you really want to be bold, which will be better than MS, or like JD reminded me, what about Boshoff?

  • Comment 42, posted at 13.06.16 14:09:29 by Henkb Reply
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  • @Henkb (Comment 42) : Those are such weak choices,when you think of what New Zealand have available at 10.
    How badly injured is Pollard?We shouldn’t look further than Goosen,. bring him in now and give him a baptism of fire he should be ready
    Just now some one is going to suggest Fred Zeilinger,

  • Comment 43, posted at 13.06.16 14:15:32 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 37) : There once was a blogger called Yossarian, he would appreciate that observation of yours.

    Food for thought indeed.

  • Comment 44, posted at 13.06.16 14:19:11 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 44) : Touche’ Thats probably the best version of catch 21 since Brent Russel.

  • Comment 45, posted at 13.06.16 14:21:10 by The hound Reply
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  • @Henkb (Comment 42) : Dont under estimate the pressure on the Bok coach to win at all costs now. So think being brave got thrown out the window. People in SA dont have patience for brave. They will be less condemning after a scrappy kicked win than a bravely played loss. Personally i think he should have gone with the eggs he had chosen in April and Brummer.

  • Comment 46, posted at 13.06.16 14:21:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 44) : Tough call that one i reckon…

  • Comment 47, posted at 13.06.16 14:24:01 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 43) : true, and to add to that I see Beuden Baritt’s brother is playing for there U20 at 12,and according to what I have heard from the commentators is that he will give Beuden a run for his money at fly half, so take into confederation what you just said, they still have, Cruden, Barret, Sapoaga, West not 100% sure but I think that Muanga is Fijian but that gives you almost the no 1 fly half for every super rugby franchise they have, so it is a back up on a back up on a back up

  • Comment 48, posted at 13.06.16 14:25:15 by Henkb Reply
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  • @Henkb (Comment 48) : Its scary how similar in looks and play Beaudon Barrat and his brother are. I swear it could be Beaudon out there and nobody would notice.

  • Comment 49, posted at 13.06.16 14:28:36 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I actually had to look twice when I first saw him, and then they called him Barret, it had me baffled for a bit, hear styles, posture, even there game play is extraordinary alike,

  • Comment 50, posted at 13.06.16 14:32:49 by Henkb Reply
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  • I think AC is digging a hole for himself here. He needs to first and foremost formulate a policy on overseas based players – in or out, and then stick to that policy. His team selections clearly show that he is in favour of selecting them but then he needs to select in form overseas based players and not the ones he is comfortable with. The same should be done when picking locally, pick inform players.

  • Comment 51, posted at 13.06.16 15:06:12 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 34) : I don’t have a problem with the coach selecting a raw young player as his third-choice flyhalf to learn the ropes, if not actually play in a test. What other options did he have anyway?

  • Comment 52, posted at 13.06.16 15:10:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 52) : JL Du Plessis perhaps? Just not Morne

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 37) : actually both make me wanna puke!!!!

  • Comment 54, posted at 13.06.16 15:17:56 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 54) : Maybe get together with old Luke and you two can together :)

  • Comment 55, posted at 13.06.16 15:18:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 52) : His choices were Lambie,Jaantjies, Boshoff,Brummer,Goosen,Katrikillas,Frans Steyn, Ebersohn,Zeilinger,du Plessis,April and only then Morne Steyn.
    He went for the banner headline with April,first name on the team sheet,and one that made all the right P.R. noises.Unfortunately circumstances called his bluff,and his immediate reaction was to skip straight to the other end of the spectrum. Didn’t even stop for his R50 as he went past go.

  • Comment 56, posted at 13.06.16 15:20:19 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 46) : The pressure on the Bok coach will always be immense to win but I feel that the rugby watching public would be willing to cut AC some slack if he was bold enough to pick local inform players and to start with I would be less severe on him if he had picked a pack that was a majority Lions pack, yes the experience goes out the window but why not reward a scrum that has monstered every other SA team in the scrums, as a unit they cant be that bad. Ditto for the backline, At least with that approach we can talk about building a team. The team that played on Saturday could be seen as very experienced team with a few newbies and that is why the loss was so disappointing.

  • Comment 57, posted at 13.06.16 15:20:30 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 56) : If was only R50 no wonder he didnt stop ;)

  • Comment 58, posted at 13.06.16 15:21:19 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 52) : for sure I ‘m sure that was also the message that was give to April when he was selected in the group.

  • Comment 59, posted at 13.06.16 15:24:24 by JD Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 57) : If AC had picked the whole Lions pack he would have gone against what majority of international coaches do and thats pick the experience with a sprinkling of new. So it would have been a very very brave call and one that wouldnt have appeased politicians either. The team he picked for last Saturday was a good one…they all just played very poorly.

  • Comment 60, posted at 13.06.16 15:25:31 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 52) : Well he could have just picked Steyn from the get go.
    I didnt realise that there were some players selected in that Bok squad that were there on a learnership basis. April would have been on the bench had Jantjies not recovered. Personally I think Garths call up was premature.

  • Comment 61, posted at 13.06.16 15:25:33 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 59) : No I dont think so, there was a period when Jantjies was very much in doubt of making the first test and that left only Pat and Garth as the flyhalfs in the squad so had Jantjies not recovered then Garth would have had 50+ minutes of international rugby under his belt right now.

  • Comment 62, posted at 13.06.16 15:32:14 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 62) : I dont think it would have come to that. I think AC was given good assurance that Jantjies would play or he would have pulled him out earlier and called in a replacement. I think he always intended to play Garth in the SA A side after learning with the Boks.

  • Comment 63, posted at 13.06.16 15:37:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 60) : They could have tweaked it slightly to keep the minister happy. Yes it was a good team and all the experience counted for squat. I would be less upset with the team and coach if a fully locally based team selected on form with 20 caps between them got beaten by 15 points. I know that ideally experience needs to be there to nurture the newbies but when the experienced players dont fulfill that role then its an even harder task for the newbie to find his feet.

  • Comment 64, posted at 13.06.16 15:42:20 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 63) : Jantjies was selected under an injury cloud, as was PSdT, there were no guarantees that they would have been available for the first test.

  • Comment 65, posted at 13.06.16 15:46:03 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 56) :ac all along said that the step-up to test rugby for april will be too soon and that he will look outside the group if jantjes is not ready for the 1st test.now lambie is out injured and he is bringing in someone outside his intitial 3 no10 selections,which is consistent with what he had said all along.

  • Comment 66, posted at 13.06.16 15:46:41 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 63) : Well then he did Garth no favours, his time would have been better spent practicing with the guys he was going to play with.

  • Comment 67, posted at 13.06.16 15:48:28 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 64) : Look after the game on Sat i was upset and wanted the guys that played poorly dropped immediately. With clearer thinking i think that wouldnt be wise as the message that sends to players is have 1 bad game and you are gone. Very hard to build anything with that mentality. These guys are good players and need to get themselves up for a fight on Saturday and deliver. Two poor performances in a row can then start to substantiate calls for change. So wholesale changes wouldnt be wise. Nothing wrong with a tweak here and there though.

  • Comment 68, posted at 13.06.16 15:49:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 67) : He was practicing with the 9 he would play with and the 8… his 12 couldnt catch any way so not much use training with him.

  • Comment 69, posted at 13.06.16 15:52:21 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 66) : So was April in the Bok squad or wasnt he – when named in that group on the Saturday was there a provosio that some of these players were there as “learners” and should not harbour any hopes of actually making a Bok team. That definatly did not come out in the squad announcement or in the panel discussion afterwards. Who are the other squad memebers that are there with the same conditions?

  • Comment 70, posted at 13.06.16 15:55:36 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Since the boks are in jhb ,it won’t do any harm to get rohan janse van rensburg to join the squad,will it?

  • Comment 71, posted at 13.06.16 15:55:52 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 70) : ac said so in an interview I read.

  • Comment 72, posted at 13.06.16 15:58:13 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 68) : A lot of those guys have done very little to impress this whole season already in SupeRugby, and now they coast in a home test. Id welcome AC being progressive enough to cull them and reward guys that are on form and play with passion for their team and fellow players.

  • Comment 73, posted at 13.06.16 16:04:05 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 72) : Never saw that, was it when he he was selected or when he was moved down to the A team?

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 73) : Well if i look at the team…Beast has done well this season and actually wasnt too bad on Sat. Strauss has had good lineout stats and has been good for the Boks in the past. Malherbe- everyone called for him to be included last year and he played well when he was and hasnt been bad this year. Eben has been very good for the Boks but perhaps a little off his best this year. Lood was the outstanding player for the Boks last year, is trying to do everything in a poor cheetahs side. Louw has probably been a bit off form of late and in my opinion is a bit lucky to be there. Kolisi has actually had a good 2016 to date, a lot better than last year. And then Vermuelen people rate very highly and he has put in some good performances overseas. So yes the Lions are flavour of the week…but they have also come quite unstuck against NZ sides so definitely not invincible.

  • Comment 75, posted at 13.06.16 16:08:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 74) : I’m trying to find the link to the article. it was mentioned with re: jantjes injury.

  • Comment 76, posted at 13.06.16 16:14:20 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 74) :here is the link: http://ke.supersport.mobi/rugby/springboks/news/160530/Interesting_week_ahead_for_Bok_coach

  • Comment 77, posted at 13.06.16 16:24:56 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 77) : Thanks.

  • Comment 78, posted at 13.06.16 16:47:10 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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