robdylan

Sometimes you’re the statue…


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 13 Jun 2016 at 09:17
Tagged with : , , , , , , ,

There’s no sugar-coating this – it was a very dark weekend for South African rugby, with all three of the teams that took the field in green and gold at the weekend suffering humiliating defeats. While the Springboks’ 20-26 reversal against a 14-man Irish side is the understandable focus, losses for the Junior Springboks against Argentina and South Africa “A” side against the England Saxons only served to pile on the misery for fans.

I think it’s really important, though, that we maintain perspective and look at these things within their proper context. While it’s tempting to look at the overall “whole” and conclude that we have a drastic problem (which, in all honesty, we may well do) I think it’s probably a little premature to start panicking needlessly.

After all, under performing at Under 20 level is hardly a new thing for us, is it? We like to think that because we have 100 superstar professional school first teams and an absolute slew of rock star under 18 players who go straight on to big bucks pro contracts the moment they leave school, that will somehow magically translate to conquering the world at age group level. The reality is generally different, where we find that our superstar juniors typically arrive at these global tournaments lacking in skill and generally under-prepared relative to their counterparts from elsewhere. Blame the coach, blame the system, blame whatever you like but the reality is that we are nowhere near as good as we should be at under 20 and this is not a new problem.

I also wouldn’t get too worked up about the “A team” result. It’s the first time we’re doing this sort of thing and it’s a very good opportunity to expose the next tier of players to “almost” test rugby. Johan Ackermann really had very little time to work with his patchwork squad and the last-minute addition of some Bok players, whom he had to pick in his starting line up, would have disrupted his plans further. The team looked better the more time they spent together and I’m sure the second match against the Saxons will show further improvement. Building depth is a long process and one that will involve setbacks. Let’s just be patient and not be tempted to throw away the entire damn bath-tub, water, babies and all.

The result at Newlands was the worrying one and that’s where we need to focus our attention. Again, though, we must not panic and must give Allister Coetzee time to turn this around. Losing the first test of a three test series is bad, but it’s not Armageddon. The Irish were fired up for this game (more so than the Boks appeared to be, which is a worry) and as is so often the case, were galvanised by the poor decision to red card CJ Stander 20 minutes in. Rather than collapsing, these Irish players dug deep and found an extra bit of resolve and while it’s temptingly myopic to talk about a Bok “collapse”, we should not discount just how great the Irish effort was on the day.

Certain Bok players – and I don’t mean those who were starting their first test – did not put in performances befitting the jersey they were wearing and Coetzee needs to act decisively now to reinforce the standards that he is prepared to accept within his Bok team. This coach has a challenge on his hands, because he needs to put aside any prior relationship he may have with some of these senior players and make it very clear to them that they will NEVER deliver a performance like that again in a Springbok jersey.

Two tests to go and the Boks can only get better. The statue of South African rugby is properly covered in pigeon crap after the weekend, but we have the right people in place to wield the necessary high-pressure hose. Bring on Ellis Park!



126 Comments

  • My sentiments down to a tee Rob.

  • Comment 1, posted at 13.06.16 09:20:58 by vanmartin Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld Author
    vanmartinAssistant coach
     
  • @vanmartin (Comment 1) : haha – I saw your tweet. We even use the same cliches :)

  • Comment 2, posted at 13.06.16 09:23:01 by robdylan Reply
    Competition Winner Administrator
    robdylanHead Coach
     
  • “Certain Bok players – and I don’t mean those who were starting their first test ” i hope you are including Mapoe in this . Dont think the 2 min he played against the AB’s should really count . Hope he is given more time to settle

  • Comment 3, posted at 13.06.16 09:32:54 by Zibbie Reply
    Friend of SharksworldCompetition Winner
    ZibbieTeam captain
     
  • The bigger picture re: SA sports is where the picture dimmifies significantly.

    Proteas lost, and u/19 Proteas apparently lost to Namibia and Zimbabwe.

    And those in position to fix things, have their priorities all messes up….which leaves me slightly negative looking forward.

    At least Wayde is conquering the world all by himself.

  • Comment 4, posted at 13.06.16 09:36:16 by FireTheLooser Reply

    Assistant coach
     
  • @Zibbie (Comment 3) : He needs ANYBODY but de Allende on his inside.

  • Comment 5, posted at 13.06.16 09:36:51 by Pokkel Reply
    Friend of SharksworldCompetition Winner Author
    Assistant coach
     
  • First time ever losing to the Irish in SA
    Second time post-isolation a coach starts his career with a loss
    This was supposed to be a weakened Irish team, and they played 3/4 of the match one man down.

    All credit to the Irish, but this should never have happened. It was a disgrace to the Green and Gold jersey, on par with the loss to Japan

  • Comment 6, posted at 13.06.16 09:38:51 by Die Kriek Reply

    Super Rugby player
     
  • The biggest concern for me was the apparent lack of passion. This was the first test of the year under a new coach and especially the senior player looked uninterested.

  • Comment 7, posted at 13.06.16 09:40:11 by Pokkel Reply
    Friend of SharksworldCompetition Winner Author
    Assistant coach
     
  • @Pokkel (Comment 5) : it seems Lood also recieved the ball a few times in the backline before Mapoe could

  • Comment 8, posted at 13.06.16 09:40:43 by Zibbie Reply
    Friend of SharksworldCompetition Winner
    ZibbieTeam captain
     
  • The Boks can be very glad they are playing the Irish and not Wales or England. Both those teams would have ripped this Bok team to pieces.

  • Comment 9, posted at 13.06.16 09:42:50 by Pokkel Reply
    Friend of SharksworldCompetition Winner Author
    Assistant coach
     
  • @Zibbie (Comment 8) : Schalk wasn’t there to do ‘Forward Flyhalf’ duties, someone had to

  • Comment 10, posted at 13.06.16 09:43:45 by Die Kriek Reply

    Super Rugby player
     
  • The problem significantly intensifies when we enlarge the focus circle outside of the 23 rugby players representing the Boks.

    Laying all the blame on the players, would be like blaming the air hostesses for One-Time failing.

  • Comment 11, posted at 13.06.16 09:45:18 by FireTheLooser Reply

    Assistant coach
     
  • @Zibbie (Comment 3) : Mapoe looked unsure of himself, sure, but he’s not who I’m talking about here.

    Strauss, Malherbe, Etzebeth, de Jager, Pietersen were all absolutely rubbish

  • Comment 12, posted at 13.06.16 09:48:23 by robdylan Reply
    Competition Winner Administrator
    robdylanHead Coach
     
  • Also didn’t think Flouw was much better. Willie was Willie…. at least he looked like he was trying.

    Kolisi and Duane both had decent enough games, Faf was superb, as was Lwazi.

    Oh – and De Allende. Dunno…. didn’t really look like much, did he?

  • Comment 13, posted at 13.06.16 09:49:52 by robdylan Reply
    Competition Winner Administrator
    robdylanHead Coach
     
  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : Apparently we’re both really cool people who know our cliches and aren’t afraid to wield them in public :grin:

  • Comment 14, posted at 13.06.16 10:06:04 by vanmartin Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld Author
    vanmartinAssistant coach
     
  • My 3 cents on Bok rugby. Bok rugby used to be strong and we used to win more than we lost quite comfortably when we had a pack of forwards that was aggressive, physical and did the basics well to get front foot ball. The Bok backline has had varied in terms of quality but the strength of our forwards meant that our backline only had to do the very basics to get the score. Now more often that not we are seeing SA packs getting beaten up and dominated and as a result we are seeing more losses. We then say we need to be more creative and dynamic and all the cool catch phrases. In my opinion we need to rectify the main problem and as has always been the case-it all starts up front.

  • Comment 15, posted at 13.06.16 10:06:19 by SheldonK Reply

    SheldonKAssistant coach
     
  • Weak…to be honest,I had a gut feeling this might happen,a couple of players really showing why they don’t belong in a Bok jersey.To me the ‘captain’ showed why he shouldn’t be there either.Thought Kolisi had a fair game,Faf was great.Willie was pathetic,ran across the field,closed down any space that was available.Good to see Beast running with the ball again.

  • Comment 16, posted at 13.06.16 10:10:59 by BarendL Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    BarendLSuper Rugby player
     
  • @SheldonK (Comment 15) : I agree. And we didn’t field a bad pack on paper this weekend. Just that the guys there didn’t man up.

  • Comment 17, posted at 13.06.16 10:12:13 by robdylan Reply
    Competition Winner Administrator
    robdylanHead Coach
     
  • One of the saddest parts of the game, until Whiteley was brought on in the 2nd half, Beast was the best Bok forward on the field

  • Comment 18, posted at 13.06.16 10:14:59 by Die Kriek Reply

    Super Rugby player
     
  • @robdylan (Comment 17) : They definitely didnt Rob…but how often have we said that about SA forward packs in recent times. Too many times im afraid. Sort that and as i truly believe that is problem number 1. Where is that Bok physicality and aggression. And i dont mean stupid aggression where you look like a fool ( read Etzebeth )

  • Comment 19, posted at 13.06.16 10:16:26 by SheldonK Reply

    SheldonKAssistant coach
     
  • @Die Kriek (Comment 18) : Beast has clearly lost a couple kgs which has meant he is carrying the ball more and is able to hold his weight in the scrum.

  • Comment 20, posted at 13.06.16 10:17:12 by SheldonK Reply

    SheldonKAssistant coach
     
  • I think the time when an SA rugby fan could automatically expect the Boks to beat everyone (apart from the All Blacks) in every game is over. We are loosing too many players in their prime (25-30 years) to the Northern hemisphere in order to sustain these standards. What is even more worrying is that we are bleeding experienced coaches to overseas clubs too.

  • Comment 21, posted at 13.06.16 10:24:08 by Bokhoring Reply
    Administrator
    BokhoringAssistant coach
     
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 21) : we are in a building phase , yes . But we need to have the right players in the team . ATM we dont . The Lions strength has been a dominate forward pack . Dont think it helped that the Boks had zero Lions forwards starting . but we will see

  • Comment 22, posted at 13.06.16 10:34:00 by Zibbie Reply
    Friend of SharksworldCompetition Winner
    ZibbieTeam captain
     
  • The era of the Bok forwards being the biggest most physical guys in the world is over and the only people who don’t seem to know this are the Bok forwards. Our guys all need to realise that the other nations have found just as big and just as physical players and if we want to keep our tag as the bruisers of world rugby we need to fight for that tag because nobody is just going to give us that anymore, nor are they scared of us.

  • Comment 23, posted at 13.06.16 10:38:47 by Hulk Reply

    HulkSuper Rugby player
     
  • @Hulk (Comment 23) : The schoolyard bully graduated from primary school to high school on Saturday, and the high-school seniors put him in his place – Effy-beth is a 1-trick pony, and when the opposition isn’t intimidated by his pretty muscles, he quickly fades into the background.

    The only guy that was scared of Effy-beth, was his lock partner. :roll:

  • Comment 24, posted at 13.06.16 10:44:13 by FireTheLooser Reply

    Assistant coach
     
  • @Hulk (Comment 23) : Think you hit the nail on the head there. Where is the fight and passion in our forwards?

  • Comment 25, posted at 13.06.16 10:44:23 by SheldonK Reply

    SheldonKAssistant coach
     
  • @SheldonK (Comment 25) : Mark Andrew said something last year about the Sharks showing no fight in the forwards and he said something long the lines of, in the forwards you go to war and the opposition need to feel that. They need to bleed for every inch gained. I can’t say our forwards did this on Saturday.

    @FireTheLooser (Comment 24) : I know Etzebeth isn’t well liked here, I don’t dislike him but feel he does need to rethink the way he approaches the game. I’d also start with PSDT at Ellis Park. He brings aggression, physicality and smarts.

  • Comment 26, posted at 13.06.16 10:49:15 by Hulk Reply

    HulkSuper Rugby player
     
  • @Hulk (Comment 26) : To be honest id be very tempted to start PSDT and Mostert. But AC will start Eben and Lood again i think

  • Comment 27, posted at 13.06.16 10:50:48 by SheldonK Reply

    SheldonKAssistant coach
     
  • @SheldonK (Comment 27) : Hadn’t thought about Mostert. I’d re-look at our loose forwards this weekend too. I’m also a big fan of locks at 8th man ala Mark Andrews & Danie Rossouw.

  • Comment 28, posted at 13.06.16 10:53:16 by Hulk Reply

    HulkSuper Rugby player
     
  • @SheldonK (Comment 27) : @Hulk (Comment 28) : Bravery would see Mostert and Shickerling as lock partners, with PSdT at 7.

  • Comment 29, posted at 13.06.16 10:57:02 by FireTheLooser Reply

    Assistant coach
     
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 29) : Would fortune favour the brave?

  • Comment 30, posted at 13.06.16 11:02:45 by Hulk Reply

    HulkSuper Rugby player
     
  • Where did Eddie Jones find that lock I think his name is Tojo,he was by far the best lock on display this whole weekend just did his job and did it properly.

  • Comment 31, posted at 13.06.16 11:09:38 by The hound Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    The houndAssistant coach
     
  • @The hound (Comment 31) : Maro Itoje, Saracens player. Former Eng u 20 captain. Is a converted loose forward

  • Comment 32, posted at 13.06.16 11:26:31 by SheldonK Reply

    SheldonKAssistant coach
     
  • @Hulk (Comment 28) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 29) : Highly unlikely that we will see any changes in the locks and loose forwards.

  • Comment 33, posted at 13.06.16 11:27:09 by SheldonK Reply

    SheldonKAssistant coach
     
  • Who coaches defense in the setup – I assume Toetie himself?

  • Comment 34, posted at 13.06.16 11:29:14 by Bokhoring Reply
    Administrator
    BokhoringAssistant coach
     
  • @vanmartin (Comment 14) : You two should befriend Owen Nkumane, he wouldnt be able to speak if cliche’s hadnt been invented. :twisted:

  • Comment 35, posted at 13.06.16 11:30:13 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    Salmonoid the SubtleAssistant coach
     
  • @Bokhoring (Comment 21) : Sadly this is the way its going to go in the future, particularly in team sports.

  • Comment 36, posted at 13.06.16 11:35:05 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    Salmonoid the SubtleAssistant coach
     
  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 35) : You hit the nail on the head there :twisted: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 37, posted at 13.06.16 11:36:03 by vanmartin Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld Author
    vanmartinAssistant coach
     
  • @SheldonK (Comment 27) : thinking the same thing.start with the new second row.also considering redelinghuys for a start.new 3,4,5 for [email protected]The hound (Comment 31) : itoje is interesting.rate him.”only” 1.95m tall(short) lock. caught the eye if you were watching premiership rugby.

  • Comment 38, posted at 13.06.16 11:38:53 by 50shadesofshark Reply

    Team captain
     
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 29) : yes,seeing the way psdt ran -and knowing the kind of tackles he can put in-,no7 is always in the back of one’s mind.he made his sharks debut vs bulls playing no7.

  • Comment 39, posted at 13.06.16 11:44:40 by 50shadesofshark Reply

    Team captain
     
  • @Zibbie (Comment 22) : Ashwin also likes to think that we are in a rebuilding phase – I disagree, we have got a new coach yes but that does not mean we are reinventing the wheel, most of the players have been there before, scrums are still scrums etc.

  • Comment 40, posted at 13.06.16 11:56:45 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    Salmonoid the SubtleAssistant coach
     
  • @BarendL (Comment 16) : agree,faf was superb on debut.that incident on the irish tryline in the 2nd half,where the irish player came around at the ruck and his foot kicked the ball,was a big one.not seen by either ref or touch judge.and the tmo did not say anything either.should have been a yellow card,too.a scrum 5m from the line against 13 with space either side.

  • Comment 41, posted at 13.06.16 12:00:14 by 50shadesofshark Reply

    Team captain
     
  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 40) : true.

  • Comment 42, posted at 13.06.16 12:00:55 by 50shadesofshark Reply

    Team captain
     
  • @vanmartin (Comment 37) : :lol:

  • Comment 43, posted at 13.06.16 12:02:34 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    Salmonoid the SubtleAssistant coach
     
  • It just hit me, being a statue in SA means something entirely different to being a statue anywhere else in the world. A good day for a statue here is having pigeons crap on you. Other things that have recently happened to statues here are, being covered with paint, all colours but mostly white, being covered with human excrement (how do the activists go about getting, transporting etc the raw materials for this fiendish act). Some statues have had Steve Hofmeyer and Sunet Bridges chained to them, some have been beaten up with hammers and pick axes, some have been hastagged and many have been uprooted and then been hidden away while others have been sent to places where they may feel more at home, normally in the Free State or the Northern Cape.

  • Comment 44, posted at 13.06.16 12:14:04 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    Salmonoid the SubtleAssistant coach
     
  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 41) : Space that was there all game and never used

  • Comment 45, posted at 13.06.16 12:18:43 by Die Kriek Reply

    Super Rugby player
     
  • Baby boks u19 record: 2004 3rd 2005 1st 2006 8th 2007 2nd
    Baby boks u21 record: 2002 1st 2005 1st 2006 2nd
    Baby boks u20 record: 2008-2010 3rd 2011 5th 2012 1st 2013 3rd 2014 2nd 2015 3rd ( beat the baby blacks twice in the same tournament in nz ).

  • Comment 46, posted at 13.06.16 12:20:19 by 50shadesofshark Reply

    Team captain
     
  • My team for Ellis Park:

    Beast-Strauss-Redlinghuys-Mostert-PSDT-Kriel-Vermeulen-Whitley-Faf-Jantjies-Mvovo-Serfentein-Mapoe-Combrink-Willie

    We have to make numerous changes in order to show others that the jersey is earned, not given. The players cant think the jersey is theirs regardless of how they play, they need to fight for the jersey. Change the side and see what happens, if we lose so what, we already lost, we need to find out who can step up to this level and perform.

  • Comment 47, posted at 13.06.16 12:30:20 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 47) : remember that serfontein is out for the remainder of the season with his wrist injury

  • Comment 48, posted at 13.06.16 12:33:49 by Henkb Reply
    Author
    HBAssistant coach
     
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 47) : Um… You may want to rethink that selection, given that Serfontein is out for several weeks/months with a wrist fracture…

    Having said that, based on this weekend’s (and the year to date’s) showing I’be tempted to play a crocked Serfontein ahead of Dumbian de Ellendig.

  • Comment 49, posted at 13.06.16 12:34:07 by Culling Song Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld Author
    Culling SongTeam captain
     
  • My team for Ellis Park would be this if I may dream, beast, strauss(only because he is captain) Adriaanse, mostert, PSDT, Kriel, Kholisi, Whiteley, faf, Elton,Mvovo, Frans Stern, mapoe, combrinck, Willie, then subs Redlinghuys, Marx, Koch, Flo, Paige, Bishop, Skhosan

  • Comment 50, posted at 13.06.16 12:39:43 by Henkb Reply
    Author
    HBAssistant coach
     
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 47) : There is more chance of Luke Watson returning for the team than Coetzee dropping Malherbe,Ethebeth,Louw and DeAllende,fourStormers,thats like convincing Meyer to drop Spies,Steyn,Wynand Olivier and Houghaard in his second game in charge.

  • Comment 51, posted at 13.06.16 12:50:12 by The hound Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    The houndAssistant coach
     
  • Likely team for Ellis park: Beast, Strauss, Malherbe, Eben, Lood, Louw, Kolisi, Vermuelen, Faf, Jantjies, Mvovo, DeAllende, Mapoe, JPP, LE Roux Bench: Nyakane, Mbonambi, Redelinghuis, PSDT, Whiteley, Paige, Kriel,Combrinck

  • Comment 52, posted at 13.06.16 12:50:30 by SheldonK Reply

    SheldonKAssistant coach
     
  • @SheldonK (Comment 52) : Agree thats the most likely,not then I would pick but its the one he will pick.

  • Comment 53, posted at 13.06.16 12:53:02 by The hound Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    The houndAssistant coach
     
  • @The hound (Comment 51) : Look, naturally I know all this, but I just feel that our best players are not being picked and it is disturbing.

  • Comment 54, posted at 13.06.16 12:54:41 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Culling Song (Comment 49) : Had no idea, well then – the ball stops at 12. Damien does one thing and one thing only, runs with the ball. He has become the most one dimensional 12 in international rugby

  • Comment 55, posted at 13.06.16 12:55:48 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @SheldonK (Comment 52) : One thing I need to laugh about, when Nyakane, who can’t make the Bulls starting line up, came on, we got shoved backwards by a 7 man scrum, what a complete joke man. He looks about 20kgs over weight

  • Comment 56, posted at 13.06.16 12:57:02 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @The hound (Comment 53) : Yeh ive decided not to worry picking a wishful team as there no point. Unless playing Fantasy league. So i just try go with whats likely. Wonder if Ackermann will ring any changes. Those 4 Bok squad guys join the Boks again so i assume another 4 will go down for the SA A game again

  • Comment 57, posted at 13.06.16 12:57:26 by SheldonK Reply

    SheldonKAssistant coach
     
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 56) : Yeh he definitely not ideal but chances of a white ginger replacing him are slim.

  • Comment 58, posted at 13.06.16 12:59:29 by SheldonK Reply

    SheldonKAssistant coach
     
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 55) : My problem with him is his defence,so many trys are scored in his channel,I would much rather play Esterhuizen there he will give you everything that de Allende and Serfontein give in attack and a helluva lot more than both put together in defence

  • Comment 59, posted at 13.06.16 13:00:53 by The hound Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    The houndAssistant coach
     
  • If i was going with a wishful team then the SA A side id like to see: DuToit (need to work on his binding though) , Marx, Coenie (based on Fri performance), RG Snyman, Lewies, Carr, Mahoje, Notshe, Groom, Brummer, Skosan, Venter,Am, Zas, April. Thats only using guys in the squad.

  • Comment 60, posted at 13.06.16 13:03:53 by SheldonK Reply

    SheldonKAssistant coach
     
  • @SheldonK (Comment 60) : That is such a shite backline,don’t know if I pitch up for a Sharks game if that was our backline.

  • Comment 61, posted at 13.06.16 13:06:04 by The hound Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    The houndAssistant coach
     
  • @The hound (Comment 61) : Slim pickings im afraid….

  • Comment 62, posted at 13.06.16 13:07:54 by SheldonK Reply

    SheldonKAssistant coach
     
  • @The hound (Comment 59) : At this stage, I think Esterhuizen will give more in attack. If we are going to pick 12′s who can’t/ don’t like to pass, then we must use someone who gets over the advantage line.

    @SheldonK (Comment 60) : That side will take a hiding, those backs will struggle on defence

  • Comment 63, posted at 13.06.16 13:13:59 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 63) : Only other backs are Mnisi who could catch a cold on Fri and Ismael. So yeh slim pickings from the rest really.

  • Comment 64, posted at 13.06.16 13:18:49 by SheldonK Reply

    SheldonKAssistant coach
     
  • You can put morne Steyn on the bench, it has just been confirmed that he was called up as cover for pat

  • Comment 65, posted at 13.06.16 13:23:50 by Henkb Reply
    Author
    HBAssistant coach
     
  • @Henkb (Comment 65) : This will pleas many on this site and in fact the world over. Remember a time, not so long ago, when AC’s team announcement was herladed as a breath of fresh air compared to the HM regime.

    Is Morne Steyn still playing rugby, I thought he was installing electric gates and garage doors in Bloem.

  • Comment 66, posted at 13.06.16 13:44:41 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    Salmonoid the SubtleAssistant coach
     
  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 66) : :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Comment 67, posted at 13.06.16 14:06:19 by The hound Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    The houndAssistant coach
     
  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 66) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen: that just made my day, the best comment to take away the Monday Blues, he is still playing for Stad France thought, but was his usual self, utterly shit the whole season long, think the owner wanted to give him a paid vacation at one stage just to avoid him getting picked

  • Comment 68, posted at 13.06.16 14:16:53 by Henkb Reply
    Author
    HBAssistant coach
     
  • Joh . Gavin Rich is having a good go at Faf …

    “De Klerk was everyone’s favourite scrumhalf when he played for the Lions in Super Rugby and it would be premature to throw him on the scrapheap after just one outing in the Bok No 9 jersey. However, he is going to have to make a massive improvement at Emirates Airlines Park for if you went purely on the evidence of what we saw in Cape Town, he just isn’t good enough for test rugby as he doesn’t have the kicking game for it.”

  • Comment 69, posted at 13.06.16 14:21:52 by Zibbie Reply
    Friend of SharksworldCompetition Winner
    ZibbieTeam captain
     
  • @Zibbie (Comment 69) : Some peoples comments, especially ‘informed journalists’ really have me puzzled. Faf was the best Bok player on the park. Why does he need to kick when his speed to the breakdown and pass gives the 10 ample time to kick. Ive also seen some comments saying Mvovo cost the Boks the game…huh??

  • Comment 70, posted at 13.06.16 14:26:38 by SheldonK Reply

    SheldonKAssistant coach
     
  • @Zibbie (Comment 69) : @SheldonK (Comment 70) : there is a saying don’t assume as it makes an ass out of u and me :?: think some of these sport site journalist these days are just writing something on order for them to have something to write about, sometimes I do wonder if they even watched the games and not writing something from hear say from hear say from other sources

  • Comment 71, posted at 13.06.16 14:30:31 by Henkb Reply
    Author
    HBAssistant coach
     
  • @Henkb (Comment 71) : Very true. Or they write something ridiculous just to sell

  • Comment 72, posted at 13.06.16 14:33:24 by SheldonK Reply

    SheldonKAssistant coach
     
  • @Henkb (Comment 71) : My concern is that people will believe this , faf will get dropped and we will go back 500 years again

  • Comment 73, posted at 13.06.16 14:37:30 by Zibbie Reply
    Friend of SharksworldCompetition Winner
    ZibbieTeam captain
     
  • @Zibbie (Comment 73) : Even that doos Rich doesn’t believe it and if he does he shouldn’t re writing on rugby.

  • Comment 74, posted at 13.06.16 14:42:59 by The hound Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    The houndAssistant coach
     
  • @Henkb (Comment 50) : First guy I would drop is Strauss….if your captain cant get the guys together,then he doesn’t deserve the title.I wouldn’t go with fat forwards like strauss and nyakane in any way.My team would beat the All Blacks,but I’ve been asked by AC to not upstage him in the first season :twisted: :lol:

  • Comment 75, posted at 13.06.16 14:52:04 by BarendL Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    BarendLSuper Rugby player
     
  • Sorry i copied and pasted this from another site but I think its worth reading

    What was alarming for me in the Boks loss to the Irish was the total lack of passion and commitment for the jersey. In my time as All Black coach we played against Bok teams that we knew didnt have the talent and the skills of the AB’s, but by g.. you knew you were in for an absolute war. That fire and pride seems to dying slowly and I am struggling to understand why? Once a feared opponent and know struggling to compete with top-tier nations. Serious questions and soul-searching is needed, otherwise I am afraid the Boks could follow in the footsteps of what happened to West Indies cricket -
    Graham Henry Sunday evening in the NZ Herald

  • Comment 76, posted at 13.06.16 14:56:00 by The hound Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    The houndAssistant coach
     
  • @The hound (Comment 76) : fuck that’s embarrassing

  • Comment 77, posted at 13.06.16 14:59:35 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    West Indies Cricket BoardTeam captain
     
  • @The hound (Comment 76) : Sad but true

  • Comment 78, posted at 13.06.16 15:00:25 by BarendL Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    BarendLSuper Rugby player
     
  • @Zibbie (Comment 73) : Most of us saw how Faf played,will know he doesn’t know what he is talking about…was disappointed he got taken off so early,but I guess that was probably AC showing he’ll give paige more than 3 minutes

  • Comment 79, posted at 13.06.16 15:03:15 by BarendL Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    BarendLSuper Rugby player
     
  • @Zibbie (Comment 69) : @SheldonK (Comment 70) : Some journalists are still pining after Fourie du Preez and expect each new scrumhalf that pulls on the Green and Gold to magically transform into a Fourie clone. What they forget was Fourie was the decision-maker in those teams with the flyhalf being reduced down to a second tactical kicker. Pat and Elton would be wasted next to that type of scrumhalf. The Bok flyhalf should be the on-field general but this, rather bizarrely, scares people like Gavin Rich.

  • Comment 80, posted at 13.06.16 15:21:58 by vanmartin Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld Author
    vanmartinAssistant coach
     
  • @vanmartin (Comment 80) : Could be true yeh

  • Comment 81, posted at 13.06.16 15:31:26 by SheldonK Reply

    SheldonKAssistant coach
     
  • @Zibbie (Comment 73) : Don’t fear he will one day see the light and then pursue a career at the Sharks

  • Comment 82, posted at 13.06.16 15:46:56 by Henkb Reply
    Author
    HBAssistant coach
     
  • If losing to 14 Irishmen at home is not the time to panic then when is? Losing to 13?

  • Comment 83, posted at 13.06.16 16:12:05 by fyndraai Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    fyndraaiTeam captain
     
  • When Brummer warms up is when I’m going start to panic.

  • Comment 84, posted at 13.06.16 16:13:52 by fyndraai Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    fyndraaiTeam captain
     
  • @fyndraai (Comment 84) : Did you watch him play on Fri though?

  • Comment 85, posted at 13.06.16 16:16:33 by SheldonK Reply

    SheldonKAssistant coach
     
  • Teams that have beaten the all blacks in a test match: south africa ,wales,england,australia,france,the british&irish lions.6 different teams.
    Teams that have beaten the boks: nz,british&irish lions,australia,england,scotland,wales,ireland,france,south america,argentina,japan,irish xiv. 12 teams.ok,ok only 11 teams.

  • Comment 86, posted at 13.06.16 16:32:19 by 50shadesofshark Reply

    Team captain
     
  • @The hound (Comment 76) : We all know what the real problem is.

  • Comment 87, posted at 13.06.16 16:36:54 by Uli Boelie Reply
    Valued Sharksworld Supporter
    Uli BoelieTeam captain
     
  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 86) : hahaha great one boet!!!! ;-)

  • Comment 88, posted at 13.06.16 16:37:10 by JD Reply
    Friend of SharksworldCompetition Winner Administrator
    JDAssistant coach
     
  • @Sheldonk
    Yes and I’ve watched him play in many a Bulls game also. Talent wise, this is seriously too close to the bottom of the barrel.

  • Comment 89, posted at 13.06.16 19:37:57 by fyndraai Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    fyndraaiTeam captain
     
  • @fyndraai (Comment 89) : Brummer is reaching upwards with his fingernaisl outstretched desperately scrabbling to reach the bottom of the barrel.

  • Comment 90, posted at 13.06.16 20:48:11 by robdylan Reply
    Competition Winner Administrator
    robdylanHead Coach
     
  • @robdylan (Comment 90) : hahaha well said boss.

  • Comment 91, posted at 13.06.16 21:26:46 by JD Reply
    Friend of SharksworldCompetition Winner Administrator
    JDAssistant coach
     
  • @robdylan (Comment 90) : And he is standing on Morne’s shoulders

  • Comment 92, posted at 13.06.16 21:45:14 by The hound Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    The houndAssistant coach
     
  • @fyndraai (Comment 89) : @robdylan (Comment 90) :Brummer was very highly rated as a youngster though…so what happened? We all raving about April and Bosch etc but Brumemr was just as talented and producing at that age. So whose to say those 2 other guys also arent scraping the barrel talent wise?

  • Comment 93, posted at 14.06.16 08:03:05 by SheldonK Reply

    SheldonKAssistant coach
     
  • @vanmartin (Comment 80) : Exactly.

  • Comment 94, posted at 14.06.16 08:40:00 by Bokhoring Reply
    Administrator
    BokhoringAssistant coach
     
  • @vanmartin (Comment 80) : Does that then mean that Morne Steyn will be wasted next to Faf?

  • Comment 95, posted at 14.06.16 09:13:51 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    Salmonoid the SubtleAssistant coach
     
  • @robdylan (Comment 90) : So where does that leave Garth April, who, by all accounts, was way out of his depth compared to Brummer.

  • Comment 96, posted at 14.06.16 09:16:16 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    Salmonoid the SubtleAssistant coach
     
  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 96) : Go watch him beat the Highlanders in Dunedin virtually on his own then you tell me.

  • Comment 97, posted at 14.06.16 09:33:17 by robdylan Reply
    Competition Winner Administrator
    robdylanHead Coach
     
  • @robdylan (Comment 97) : I saw that, it was great, but that performance clearly doesnt count as its already been discarded by AC and many here, who pulled him into the Bok group, presumeably on that exact performance. So how good is a player then, what should he be rated on – his best performance, or his last performance?

  • Comment 98, posted at 14.06.16 09:47:48 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    Salmonoid the SubtleAssistant coach
     
  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 98) : That last sentence could be quite an interesting debate i feel

  • Comment 99, posted at 14.06.16 09:59:40 by SheldonK Reply

    SheldonKAssistant coach
     
  • They are on par…with a number of other players in this Bok and “A” sides.
    I’m not so fond of discussing players in this context, but it’s the reality of this year that we are scraping the bottom of the barrel in a number of positions and it showed on the field. In January, Jantjes was 3rd in the SA pecking, now we are talking about who’s next. He is 25, and this was really his 1st impressive SR season. April (25) and Brummer (27) are not youngsters anymore either.

  • Comment 100, posted at 14.06.16 11:44:11 by fyndraai Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    fyndraaiTeam captain
     
  • @fyndraai (Comment 100) : Well if you look at an overseas based Bok side: 1. JC Janse Van Rensburg , 2 Bismarck Duplessis, 3 Jannie Duplessis, 4 Paul Willemse 5. Andries Bekker , 6 Heinrich Brussouw 7. Willem Alberts . 8. Pierre Spies, 9. Ruan Pienaar, 10. Demetri Catrakilis , 11. Bryan Habana , 12. Frans Steyn , 13. Rob Ebersohn , 14. Zane Kirchner , 15 Johan Goosen

  • Comment 101, posted at 14.06.16 11:55:23 by SheldonK Reply

    SheldonKAssistant coach
     
  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 95) : Not quite sure how you deduce that from my comments on Fourie du Preez but personally no, I don’t think so. I actually reckon Steyn will be appreciative of the few extra milliseconds on the ball a scrummie like Faf will provide him.

  • Comment 102, posted at 14.06.16 12:12:07 by vanmartin Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld Author
    vanmartinAssistant coach
     
  • @vanmartin (Comment 102) : My deduction is probably totally helter skelter but it starts with Du Preez having been Morne Steyns partner for many, many Bulls and Bok games, by default then Steyn wouldnt be a decission maker, and nor is Faf (not being a Fourie clone) and, and…

  • Comment 103, posted at 14.06.16 13:37:10 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    Salmonoid the SubtleAssistant coach
     
  • @SheldonK (Comment 101) : Hahahahaaaaa, Pierre Spies, hahaaaahahaaaa….* No wait, you’re serious!?

  • Comment 104, posted at 14.06.16 13:42:32 by Culling Song Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld Author
    Culling SongTeam captain
     
  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 103) : Oh, yeah I see now I was indirectly implying that. My apologies. I’m actually of the opinion Steyn is a decent decision maker in his own right even though a lot of decision making was left up to Fourie back in the day. Steyn may not be the greatest attacking flyhalf but I think he’s a decent tactician none the less.

  • Comment 105, posted at 14.06.16 13:51:47 by vanmartin Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld Author
    vanmartinAssistant coach
     
  • @Culling Song (Comment 104) : I was trying to think while typing and was on the Montpelier theme so ya. Also trying to think of another Sa 8th man playing overseas?

  • Comment 106, posted at 14.06.16 13:56:54 by SheldonK Reply

    SheldonKAssistant coach
     
  • @vanmartin (Comment 105) : I reckon the Irish are going to have a field day running up the M1 toll free highway between Morne and De Allende,both extremely feeble defenders

  • Comment 107, posted at 14.06.16 14:06:28 by The hound Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    The houndAssistant coach
     
  • @The hound (Comment 107) : With AC saying that Lambie would cover 12 if needed does that mean he will now get someone in as cover as Lambie is out? I mean if DeAllende does his ankle during practice or the warm we dont exactly have a 12 in the squad

  • Comment 108, posted at 14.06.16 14:11:40 by SheldonK Reply

    SheldonKAssistant coach
     
  • @SheldonK (Comment 108) : Probably take Mnisi or Venter from the A squad which could see either Jordan or Esterhuizen get an A side nod.

  • Comment 109, posted at 14.06.16 14:21:59 by The hound Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    The houndAssistant coach
     
  • @The hound (Comment 109) : Venter i could live with. But Hands Like Feet Mnisi…oh dear. Cant we just play Steyn at 12 instead. The other option i guess could be Mapoe to 12 with Kriel at 13

  • Comment 110, posted at 14.06.16 14:30:38 by SheldonK Reply

    SheldonKAssistant coach
     
  • @The hound (Comment 109) : @SheldonK (Comment 110) : Combrinck can also play center.

  • Comment 111, posted at 14.06.16 14:36:35 by vanmartin Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld Author
    vanmartinAssistant coach
     
  • @SheldonK (Comment 106) : Try Duanne Vermeulen :mrgreen:

  • Comment 112, posted at 14.06.16 14:38:52 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    Salmonoid the SubtleAssistant coach
     
  • @SheldonK (Comment 110) : @SheldonK (Comment 110) : rohan janse van rensburg

  • Comment 113, posted at 14.06.16 14:44:30 by 50shadesofshark Reply

    Team captain
     
  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 113) : He isnt even in the A side so very unlikely he will cover DeAllende.

  • Comment 114, posted at 14.06.16 14:50:14 by SheldonK Reply

    SheldonKAssistant coach
     
  • @vanmartin (Comment 111) : Really? Where did he play at school? Thought of him more as a wing/fullback…not sure about centre…maybe 13 if anything

  • Comment 115, posted at 14.06.16 14:51:10 by SheldonK Reply

    SheldonKAssistant coach
     
  • @SheldonK (Comment 106) : Well, there’s Arlindo de Costa, the chubby Portuguese kid who went to school with me in Eshowe; I think he once may have tried to play rugby in std. 6. He’s living abroad, so yeah, I’d pick him ahead of Pierre Spies…

    Seriously Sheldon, you should know by now not to expect objectivity from me when the conversation turns to Pierre Spies, Marius Joubert, Conrad Hoffman, Deon Stegman, Derick Kuun or Dean Hall…

  • Comment 116, posted at 14.06.16 14:58:03 by Culling Song Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld Author
    Culling SongTeam captain
     
  • @Culling Song (Comment 116) : The chubby portugese number 8 from eshowe…now thats quite a combo haha. But seriously, is Vermuelen the only 8 playing overseas? I know Alberts can if needed but still.

  • Comment 117, posted at 14.06.16 15:02:43 by SheldonK Reply

    SheldonKAssistant coach
     
  • @SheldonK (Comment 115) : Played SA u20 at centre if memory serves. Probably was outside though.

  • Comment 118, posted at 14.06.16 15:05:44 by vanmartin Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld Author
    vanmartinAssistant coach
     
  • @Culling Song (Comment 116) : So can we presume you are O.K on Brok Harris and Dean Greyling

  • Comment 119, posted at 14.06.16 15:08:56 by The hound Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
    The houndAssistant coach
     
  • @vanmartin (Comment 118) : Yeh look he is a good wing dont get me wrong. BUT i just think he could offer the Boks from 15 what Frans Steyn used to…

  • Comment 120, posted at 14.06.16 15:12:57 by SheldonK Reply

    SheldonKAssistant coach
     
  • @SheldonK (Comment 120) : I just remember reading an article about him and Harold Vorster farming together and somewhere in there it mentioned he played center at some stage in his career. Not suggesting he move into that position but he could probably provide cover in a pinch.

  • Comment 121, posted at 14.06.16 15:21:34 by vanmartin Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld Author
    vanmartinAssistant coach
     
  • @vanmartin (Comment 121) : Yeh i get what you mean. I do remember seeing that article but cant remember the contents. If my memory is correct he was in the same Michaelhouse team as the Cronje twins and Lambie

  • Comment 122, posted at 14.06.16 15:28:28 by SheldonK Reply

    SheldonKAssistant coach
     
  • @SheldonK (Comment 122) : Only other thing I remember thinking while reading the article is if you’re a pig that got out of your pen in a farm owned by Combrinck and Vorster you might as well find a way back in because you’re not going to escape those two guys.

  • Comment 123, posted at 14.06.16 15:32:15 by vanmartin Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld Author
    vanmartinAssistant coach
     
  • @vanmartin (Comment 123) : Gives a whole new meaning to Lions chasing their food…

  • Comment 124, posted at 14.06.16 15:36:26 by SheldonK Reply

    SheldonKAssistant coach
     
  • @SheldonK (Comment 114) : yes,though he seems to be 1st choice no12 at the lions.

  • Comment 125, posted at 14.06.16 16:12:02 by 50shadesofshark Reply

    Team captain
     
  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 125) : he should be- he is a good player. Better than Mnisi

  • Comment 126, posted at 14.06.16 16:15:22 by SheldonK Reply

    SheldonKAssistant coach
     

Add Comment

You must be logged in to post a comment.