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A big loss calls for a big response


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 4 Jul 2016 at 09:41
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While they actually played a fair bit better in the second half (and won the meaningless scoreboard contest in those 40 minutes) one cannot hide from the fact that the Sharks, in the opening period at Ellis Park on Saturday, simply weren’t good enough. Conceding a bonus point in the game for the first time this season, a disrupted and disjointed Sharks side simply had no answer to what the Lions brought to the party in that exhilarating opening half and found themselves well beaten by the time the half-time whistle sounded.

We can go through the reasons, if you like, but I’m not sure that will help. Questions will be asked about how the Sharks managed to emerge from a 6-week break with virtually their entire staring back division unavailable through injury. Losing Paul Jordaan early in the game after Andre Esterhuizen’s late withdrawal was a blow indeed and exposed a soft underbelly caused by a lack of depth in midfield. Esterhuizen’s absence, in particular, was keenly felt on defence with the Lions able to make plenty of yards through the midfield without “Andre the Giant” there to push them back. The Sharks forwards battled hard, but were ultimately edged in the contests that mattered, while the inability of a makeshift back three to deal with the Lions’ superior kicking game was the clincher in the case of the majority of the tries scored.

What’s done, though, is done and for Gary Gold and his team, the challenge becomes to ensure that the never again plumb the depths of that first-half nadir. That they were better in the second half may not have helped in this match, but does perhaps bode well for the games to come. That they need to be significantly better still in order to first secure a play-off spot and then ensure they are not embarrassed again when they face top opposition in the quarter-finals is not up for debate. The question, though, is how to make that turnaround happen.

The Sharks face the Cheetahs this weekend and the latter will have smelled blood. There’s nothing the plucky underdogs from Bloem like more than to stuff the Sharks in Durban and Franco Smith’s boys will have watched that Ellis Park performance with glee and will even now be adapting whatever Lions’ techniques they can to ensure the Sharks face more of the same. A loss to the Jaguares in Argentina has kept the Bulls somewhat at bay, meaning the Sharks will qualify if they win the next two games, but for Gold, the real challenge is finding a fit and competitive back division to take the field on Saturday evening.

That Garth April is low on confidence is clear for all to see; his treatment at the hands of the Springbok brains trust was shameful and it’s not surprising that he now looks a shadow of the player we saw on tour in New Zealand. Lwazi Mvovo appears to be in a similar head space and with Odwa Ndungane showing that his positional play is simply not good enough for a fullback at this level, the Shark are in a proper quandary. Pat Lambie may hopefully be passed fit and assuming that is the case, a lot of Gold’s problems resolve themselves. April could play fullback, or perhaps Willie le Roux might even be fit. Rhyno Smith looked good when he came on and is another option for this weekend, but even assuming that the tricky 10 and 15 positions sort themselves out, it’s midfield that is perhaps a greater challenge.

Paul Jordaan hurt his knee and I’m pretty sure we won’t see him again. Esterhuizen will be on the sidelines for at least another week as well and while JP Pietersen and S’bura Sithole did well at 13 and 14 respectively, it’s the need to find a proper inside centre that will be the biggest cause for concern. Heimar Williams was disappointing at Ellis Park and is yet to deliver the kind of compelling performance at Super Rugby level that will dispel all doubts about his suitability for this level of the game.

The season is on a knife-edge this week and one feels that if the Sharks are to go on and have some say in the final outcome, Pat Lambie simply has to be passed fit to play.



127 Comments

  • Lambie passed fit to play 12 ;-) ;-) ;-)

    I know it is not a popular thought but I believe backing and playing April is the only way to get him back to his cocky confidence we saw earlier. Lambie has the calmness and quality to solve 12 for us the next two games.

    Our forwards will have to front up and adjust to the who ever is blowing quickly and this will give us the footing play a more expansive / adventurous backline. Venter is class for Cheethas but there is no Van Rensburg there to challenge the defense as much in my view.

  • Comment 1, posted at 04.07.16 09:55:35 by Kabouter Reply
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  • What is evident is that Bosch should have played.

  • Comment 2, posted at 04.07.16 10:04:21 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 2) : He’s too young, too small, too tired, too untested, too [ - insert excuse here - ] :twisted:

  • Comment 3, posted at 04.07.16 10:10:56 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • I don’t think we can realistically be too hard on Heimar, never given a chance to play SR, shunted around at the XV – how do we realistically believe he would be able to run the defensive line in a Super Rugby match, without any proper game time in said position?

  • Comment 4, posted at 04.07.16 10:14:42 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • its time to get behind the Lions, boys. It gives me a great big warm and fuzzy that our friends in the land of the Cloud, woke up sunday morning to find a team from the land of the crashball topping the global log.

  • Comment 5, posted at 04.07.16 10:16:26 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 5) : Would the Lions have been as effective had their forward momentum and fast ball been halted by penalties at the breakdown?

    Toilet Peyper missed a fair bit at the breakdown, lots of Sharks attacking ball got turned over due to this….just saying, a ref trained in the dark arts of illegal play at the breakdown won’t gift them that much quick ball – Toilet Peyper seemed star-struck (reminds me of a Lions game Stuart Berry reffed against the Reds a few years ago).

  • Comment 6, posted at 04.07.16 10:23:22 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 6) : yeah Toilet was extremely happy….

    Our guys will have to learn to adapt to these kind of situations as it WILL happen again

  • Comment 7, posted at 04.07.16 10:26:19 by Kabouter Reply

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  • Any inside info on Lambie? I’m seriously worried about his injury.

  • Comment 8, posted at 04.07.16 10:30:15 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 8) : I was just about to ask the same question..

  • Comment 9, posted at 04.07.16 10:32:04 by Another Nick Reply

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  • It was always risky not to rotate our midfield properly but lack of rotation is hardly unique to only the Sharks. Rotation would probably have exposed our lack of midfield depth though. There are options but very little senior experience.

  • Comment 10, posted at 04.07.16 10:39:20 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 3) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 11, posted at 04.07.16 10:43:44 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Id be surprised to see both Lambie and LeRoux playing this week. With Esterhuizen and Jordaan out i think the Sharks have a bit of a problem in their backline especially with Mvovo and Claasens having shockers. There arent too many other options besides who played this last weekend. I really cannot see them playing anyone from the Sharks XV. So i expect we will see Claasens, April, Mvovo, Williams, JPP, Sithole, Ndungane (although would love to see Rhyno Smith start).

  • Comment 12, posted at 04.07.16 10:49:24 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 6) : When a team is going forward and dominating play they will always get the benefit of the doubt. Trust me the ref did not influence the outcome of the game at all. And the stupid penalties the Sharks gave away at times didnt helped their cause getting on the refs good side.

  • Comment 13, posted at 04.07.16 11:02:42 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 12) : we’re not talking about it much, but man, Claassens was poor.

  • Comment 14, posted at 04.07.16 11:10:50 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 13) : Toilet did not influence the final outcome but had a generous hand in the early ascendancy and were very lax in getting the Lions chasers to not advance on kicks…(not just the 2nd try) Our forwards will have to adapt or will continue to give away silly and momentum breaking penalties.

    @robdylan (Comment 14) : he was and I cant see him being as poor again.

    @SheldonK (Comment 12) : as long as the defensive structure and attacking play in drilled this week as they looked club level last week…would have loved a trying of other guys but way to adventurous for SR probably

  • Comment 15, posted at 04.07.16 11:26:10 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) : Yea he did not have one of his best games. One of the tries of the Lions came as a direct result of him not being able to catch the high ball. What surprised me the most was the sub-standard of quality of our whole back line. I am struggling to think of one player that actually put his hand up.. and that, for me, is shocking. I am hoping for a MASSIVE improvement this Saturday. We desperately need Lambie. This game just once again highlights what a huge difference he makes to the Sharks.

  • Comment 16, posted at 04.07.16 11:27:33 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 16) : The best backline “move” was Sithole’s crunching tackle on Mapoe – probably saved a certain try there.

  • Comment 17, posted at 04.07.16 11:32:41 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 12) : @Kabouter (Comment 15) : @Another Nick (Comment 16) : Rust…it had to be rust.

    Did the Sharks play any games during the June break (other than those at XV and Mauritius)?

  • Comment 18, posted at 04.07.16 11:34:56 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 17) : HAHA Yes! Must say, I quite enjoyed that. Come to think of it.. Sithole, although far from the best we have seen from him, was actually the one player that at least tried to make a difference in attack (and defence).

  • Comment 19, posted at 04.07.16 11:35:04 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 17) : @Another Nick (Comment 19) : That tackle sparked a serious fire in the Sharks…don’t think the Lions scored any points after that hit.

  • Comment 20, posted at 04.07.16 11:36:54 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • The only ray of light for me is that a SA team that was relegated from Super Rugby in 2013 has managed to top the overall log (granted with two games to play) – playing in the most difficult conference – plus managing this by playing a very fast paced high skill game now balanced with pretty intelligent play. I don’t think they will win it – my money would be on the Crusaders to do that again.

    This shows the other SA teams that this can be done, but the players need to invest heavily in the basics of rugby.

  • Comment 21, posted at 04.07.16 11:41:25 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 21) : Big credit to Ackerman and Swys – they’ve had to fight their way to the top, all this without the benefit of saru holding their hands or bailing them out when finances collapsed.

  • Comment 22, posted at 04.07.16 11:44:19 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) : Probably the worst game ive ever seen him play. Which is probably a good thing cos he can only be better this week…i hope

  • Comment 23, posted at 04.07.16 11:44:24 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 18) : Nope there werent any games. Think some guys were sent back to their clubs but nothing as a team.

  • Comment 24, posted at 04.07.16 11:46:30 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 23) : dont go and jinx him, please ;-)

  • Comment 25, posted at 04.07.16 11:46:53 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @Kabouter (Comment 15) : Who would you go for in the backline these next two games bearing in mind Jordaan, Esterhuizen, LeRoux and Lambie all very doubtful. Also bearing in mind the Sharks XV have been very woeful apart form the odd game…

  • Comment 26, posted at 04.07.16 11:47:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 24) : that was evident

  • Comment 27, posted at 04.07.16 11:51:52 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Kabouter (Comment 25) : haha my bad…

  • Comment 28, posted at 04.07.16 11:52:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • It was a really disappointing performance from a disrupted Sharks team, most concerning was the way we tended to fall apart due to changes, that’s not a good sign for me.

    On the other hand we must give credit to the Lions, they were simply outstanding, especially in the first half and the quality and intensity of their play was right up there, hats off to them to confirming their status as the best SA team by some distance at the moment.

  • Comment 29, posted at 04.07.16 11:53:40 by stevovo Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 27) : What was very evident was there was no passion and hunger, very little determinationa nd lots of silly errors/penalties early on…they looked shell shocked and scared. Now im not sure what the cause is for that…maybe they saw something disturbing on the way to the ground i dunno but its very concerning

  • Comment 30, posted at 04.07.16 11:54:36 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 26) : the sharks XV woes are a major concern, especially as Heimar has been consistently been a non event there as well (the games televised is all I can go on)

    As we are playing Cheetahs and Wolves next I would have loved these guys get a chance, even as 2nd half subs as it is either now or never for such options:

    9 Claasens – cnat be as poor again
    10 April – back him
    11 Mvovo – back him
    12 Louw – attack plus D capability (not sure if 12 or 13 best position though)
    13 Sithole – give him a shot and looked up for it
    14 Nkosi – Bosch might be too small yet but Nkosi not. Seargal was smaller and excelled
    15 Smith – lets see what he has or drop the thought. looks like a real deal though

  • Comment 31, posted at 04.07.16 11:55:02 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @Kabouter (Comment 31) : Not a bad backline at all. Just i think Nkosi is also injured from u20 RWC. Mvovo has been nowhere on defense of late…how much rugby has he played? Is he just tired? Centre pairing is he issue is guess. Doubt they will play Louw as he hasnt even played many Sharks XV games. As we cant be any worse than last weekend why not try something a bit different and play JPP at 12 and Sithole at 13. With Smith at 15.

  • Comment 32, posted at 04.07.16 12:17:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 32) : who has been playing well for Sharks XV?

    Ideally we should have had 11- Mjekevu and 12- Am / Deysel based on initial squads

    JPP and Mvovo has played a lot of Rugby but cant see either getting a rest. JPP @12 is quite a bolter. any thoughts if RdP and GG would consider something as bold?

  • Comment 33, posted at 04.07.16 12:25:06 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @Kabouter (Comment 33) : Firstly i dont think the coaches will be that bold…they will play the guys that have been playing all year or have been in the squad like Williams, Sithole etc. Hard to point out guys that have done well for the Sharks XV as they havnt played well as a group at all. Alrin Eksteen(fullback) has done well in the games ive watched. The 2 scrummies Hanco Venter and Dylan Marcus have also been fairly good. Not much to speak about in the forwards as they have been man handled…Ruan Botha put in some good performances. I didnt watch but apparently Geldenhuys played very well on Friday. But yeh overall not much to get excited about.

  • Comment 34, posted at 04.07.16 12:29:09 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Ja something needs to change but problem is non of the Sharks XV players are showing any form that’s push for a spot in the Super rugby side!

  • Comment 35, posted at 04.07.16 12:32:23 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 34) : Forgot about Venter…. He and Ungerer both played junior together so maybe option if Claasens shocker continues…

  • Comment 36, posted at 04.07.16 12:45:29 by Kabouter Reply

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  • I am more curious in how do they determine who plays who in the quarters. Who would we play if we reach the quarters?

    We are 3 points above the zeros and have the same oppositions left as they do with the difference that all our games are at home and theirs are not. So if logic prevails, we should reach the quarters, but we also know that there is no guarantee.

    So question, if we reach the quarters, against whom would we play???

  • Comment 37, posted at 04.07.16 12:59:43 by BluffShark Reply

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  • @BluffShark (Comment 37) : top v bottom and so on.

    Assuming we qualify in 8th place, we play the conference winner with the most points. It could actually be a game at Ellis Park

  • Comment 38, posted at 04.07.16 13:10:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @BluffShark (Comment 37) :
    The Four Conference leaders occupy positions 1 to 4. The Wildcard (next best) teams occupy positions 5 to 8.
    (Wild cards = 3 from NZ/Aus and 1 from Africa)
    If the regular season ended now the first four teams would host the play offs. The first placed team would host the team in 8th place. The second placed team would host the seventh placed team. The Third placed team would host the sixth placed team and the team in fourth place would host the 5th placed team.
    The play offs
    Team 1 v Team 8
    Team 2 v Team 7
    Team 3 v Team 6
    Team 4 v Team 5

    So right now we would play the Lions in the Quarters.

  • Comment 39, posted at 04.07.16 13:11:49 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 38) : Can you confirm what happens Semi final time?

    Edit: don’t worry got it.
    Semi-Finals:
    29/30 July 2016 First-seeded Quarter Final winner v Fourth-seeded Quarter Final winner
    29/30 July 2016 Second-seeded Quarter Final winner v Third-seeded Quarter Final winner
    Final
    6 August 2016 Higher ranked Semi-Final winner v Lower ranked Semi-Final winner

  • Comment 40, posted at 04.07.16 13:19:19 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Kabouter (Comment 31) : I like this team , JP is a wing not a centre and back the young guns

  • Comment 41, posted at 04.07.16 13:19:45 by John Reply

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  • @Kabouter (Comment 31) : I like you team but feel Louw is a bit too risky. Assuming injuries stay as they are I’d go with:

    9 Claasens
    10 April
    11 Mvovo
    12 Williams – give him a full week of running with the team as he was a final minute addition.
    13 Sithole – JPP is a better wing in my opinion
    14 JPP
    15 Smith – Odwa was woeful here.

  • Comment 42, posted at 04.07.16 13:28:28 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 42) : Thats what id also go with.

  • Comment 43, posted at 04.07.16 14:08:09 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 38) : Thank you
    eish

  • Comment 44, posted at 04.07.16 14:42:07 by BluffShark Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 39) :
    Thank you, eish

    Another game at Ellispark… eish

  • Comment 45, posted at 04.07.16 14:43:03 by BluffShark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 38) : @Uli Boelie (Comment 39) : shit seems as if Sharks make it they will play Lions in JHB. Only good thing is the week before theLions will play in Argentina so they will travel a bit before the quarter finals!

  • Comment 46, posted at 04.07.16 14:43:52 by JD Reply
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  • @Hulk (Comment 42) : @SheldonK (Comment 43) : if Williams play I’d go for JPP at 13 and Sithole on the wing because I think JPP can arrange the defence better than Sithole. If Andre is fit then I’d go the other way.

  • Comment 47, posted at 04.07.16 14:46:46 by JD Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 40) : thanx even though it’s bad news!

  • Comment 48, posted at 04.07.16 14:48:33 by JD Reply
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  • Would have to respectfully disagree about Rhyno Smith, Rob. Not Impressed with his play

    Wandile Mjekevu had a good game from the Kings, we could have kept him, but I guess since he already ran out for the Kings before the break that we cant play him in SR this season

    Sithole looked OK saturday, but I cant be too harsh on him cause the backline disruptions make our defensive shape poor

    Wont be easy beating the cheetahs next week as they are a settled team

  • Comment 49, posted at 04.07.16 14:53:52 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 49) : Just curious which part of Rhyno Smith’s play did you not like?

  • Comment 50, posted at 04.07.16 14:56:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @BluffShark (Comment 45) : @JD (Comment 46) :

    Yes but, that also means(On current standings) if we win, and the chiefs lose (which is possible) and the stormers win, then we will play the Semi in CT. which means we would only have to travel oversees for the Final.

  • Comment 51, posted at 04.07.16 15:28:06 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 51) : positive thinking!

  • Comment 52, posted at 04.07.16 15:49:32 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 51) : @Kabouter (Comment 52) : Positive is exactly what we need now, and that sure is a good way of looking at things even if it seems out of reach.

  • Comment 53, posted at 04.07.16 16:21:49 by Quintin Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 50) : no real spark, no the most athletic player I’ve ever seen either. Would rather we gave eksteen a chance, he runs great angles and has a strong left boot

  • Comment 54, posted at 04.07.16 21:50:06 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 51) : @Kabouter (Comment 52) : positive thinking is one thing but I can’t see the Stormers beating the Chiefs in NZ!? To be totally honest I can’t see any non NZ team beating the Chiefs at home (even the Sharks)!

  • Comment 55, posted at 04.07.16 23:14:13 by JD Reply
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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 54) : I did not watch the game so I can’t comment on Smith but I’ve see Eksteen and he does not look bad at all. Maybe it’s worth it to give him a chance.

  • Comment 56, posted at 04.07.16 23:15:56 by JD Reply
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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 54) : Look i agree that Eksteen should be given a chance based on his performances this year but i dont fully agree with your sentiments on Smith. I thought things became a lot more solid at the back when he replaced Odwa. His clearing kicks are a lot longer than Odwa and April and he often tried to run the ball back…although he didnt get much help from any of the other backs. As for not being athletic im not sure what you base that on as he was one of the quickest players in varsity cup and is definitely on a par with our other backs and quicker than Eksteen. Im not saying he is a miracle worker and if we looking for a fullback that breaks the line every time and runs 50m then i think we day dreaming a bit. Smith could add a lot of value to this Sharks side. But as i said i think Eksteen deserves a run too…perhaps on the wing even.

  • Comment 57, posted at 05.07.16 08:10:36 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 57) : No doubt in my mind that Smith can add a lot of value for us from the back. Can’t expect the guy to work miracles when it’s your 1st SR game and the whole team is playing bad. Will be interesting to see what he can do when we are on the attack and playing proper rugby again.

  • Comment 58, posted at 05.07.16 08:39:47 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 58) : Yeh good point you make. I really think the Sharks need to offer him a contract though, but i have a feeling they wont which will be a missed opportunity. I do think Alrin Eksteen should get a run sometime, even if in the CC as he has been pretty much the only good consistent player for the Sharks XV…but again i dont think he will. With Rob DuPreez coaching the CC side they is some hope though as he coached Smith at Pukke and the Leopards.

  • Comment 59, posted at 05.07.16 08:46:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 59) : Haven’t thought about Du Preez’ connection with Smith, very good point, he might get some game time. Agree on Alrin, he looks to be pretty strong physically too. Just a shame, I bet our coaches will go for experience these last 2 games, playing being afraid to lose rather than pushing to get back to playing good rugby again. We’ll see, we are in the exact same situation that we were in before the Lions game, which is to qualify in the wild card spot, so I hope the guys haven’t lost to much confidence as our situation has technically not changed a lot from before the weekends game.

  • Comment 60, posted at 05.07.16 09:13:52 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 60) : Yeh look i think after a bad loss people tend to want to throw out the baby with the bathwater and throw in every exciting youngster they an think of. Coaches have invested faith and time into this group they have and they have got the team into a playoff spot so i would expect them to back them in the final two games which are at home. If we win these we are in the playoffs and i think just that will be a good return from Super rugby this year to be honest. So yes there are a perhaps a couple youngsters to be looked at…but the results of the Sharks XV havnt exactly pushed up the credentials of the young guys so only natural the coaches are wary

  • Comment 61, posted at 05.07.16 09:34:00 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 61) : Playing Odwa at FB the last 2 games, to me, is out of the question. I get that they won’t, and probably shouldn’t throw in a couple of youngsters/new comers at this stage, they should have done that throughout the season, giving them time from the bench. Now we are kind off screwed because our backup has no game time. But we have to do something about our backs especially at FB and wing, Mvovo is in a bad space at the moment too. Guess we can hope that we get some good news on Lambie shortly as that will help out with positional changes at least.

  • Comment 62, posted at 05.07.16 09:43:57 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 62) : Yeh look i think Odwa is a great guy and has been a good servant but there are better players- said that at the start of the season. Also said that no rotation in our centres will come back to hurt us. But it is what it is now so guess the coaches have to deal with the situation and do some patchwork. So id play Smith at 15 this week. Not sure who can replace Mvovo so guess he gets another go, although yes he is very much off form. Lambie had the concussion assessment yesterday so will wait to hear but i have a feeling he could be out again and they will try get him ready for the Sunwolves or a possible playoff game

  • Comment 63, posted at 05.07.16 09:59:43 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 63) : Don’t you think it’s a bit scary that Lambie is out for so long for a concussion? If he’s out again this weekend, it can only be very serious, head injuries are no joke and to be failing a concussion test 4/5 weeks after the initial incident is a bad sign. Regarding Mvovo, I don’t know either who to put in his place but he has been badly exposed with the high balls catching him off guard/ out of position for the Boks and this past weekend. Luckily it’s a problem that’s not hard to solve, I hope the coaches works with him on it before the weekend.

  • Comment 64, posted at 05.07.16 10:06:15 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 64) : I think its very concerning this head injury Lambie has, especially in conjunction with his neck injury of last year that almost put his career in doubt. I may not be accurate here but i think the last 3 years Lambie has had an injury keeping him out for a lengthy period of time…so ho long before he decides to cash in with a season or two in Japan or Europe. In terms of Mvovo- it realy is just a confidence thing as he is usually pretty good on the high balls and on defense. But perhaps a break could give me a fresh start. As for a replacement i would hav gone with Mjekevu or Am but they out on loan. So possibly Eksteen or Marwana…even Nkosi but dont think he is fit

  • Comment 65, posted at 05.07.16 10:13:09 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 64) : @SheldonK (Comment 65) : According to Supersport, Lambie is out of this weekend’s clash too…

  • Comment 66, posted at 05.07.16 10:20:37 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 63) : Lambie is out

  • Comment 67, posted at 05.07.16 10:23:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 66) :
    @SheldonK (Comment 65) : If that is the case it’s a problematic one because as Sheldon said, the last 3 years he’s had a lot of injuries, you could say this is his second major injury this year alone. Agree that it might make him think about his future and rather cash in oversees for the remainder of his career.

  • Comment 68, posted at 05.07.16 10:30:34 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 66) : @robdylan (Comment 67) : @Quintin (Comment 68) : Must say i am not surprised but i am concerned, very concerned for the guy. I hope its a case of the Sharks being more cautious than anything but the facts tell a worrying picture when you look over the last 3 years. Is Lambie’s time coming to an end? Sharks place a huge amount of eggs in the Lambie basket…but is that wise based on last 3 years?

  • Comment 69, posted at 05.07.16 10:32:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 65) : yeah would really have loved Nkosi as we dont have Mjekevu and Am due to loan. I still think the Cheetahs and Wolves are the right teams to test a few potential guys out against in the backline, provided our forwards get the grunt going. Both teams are attacking and have a few dangerous players but not in same class as NZ teams tough.

    How has Legend gone in the XV games? I was hoping Louw, Eksteen, Legend and Joubert really start to push harder but probably tough in the CC Qualifier competition based on how SR teams have treated it.

  • Comment 70, posted at 05.07.16 10:47:32 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 69) : @robdylan (Comment 67) : @Quintin (Comment 68) : I think we can safely say Heimar will get a start now at 12. I really hope the comms and def system has been drilled this week

    Has Steve Haag released his training pics yet???

  • Comment 71, posted at 05.07.16 10:49:24 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 69) : Rather consider the injuries he has had in the last three years.broken jaw,neck and severe concussion,all above the neck and all serious.
    If I were him and had my whole life ahead,I would retire,he has dodged a bullet three times,no guarantee of similar escape next time.This last injury was severely brutal,Stander hit him whether intentionally or as I believe unintentionally with incredible force on the point of his jaw.He was out cold before he hit the ground,what that does to your brain is devastating,and you can only take so many of those.I believe he has used up his share of those.
    If he continues he is always going to have these things foremost in his mind.

  • Comment 72, posted at 05.07.16 10:51:26 by The hound Reply
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  • @Kabouter (Comment 70) : Legend Marwana has looked lively etc but i just dont think he is best suited to 12 to be honest. I just feel he would be better suited to 13 or wing. With Eksteen and Bosch etc now 15 options i really think Morne Joubert needs to look at playing 13.

  • Comment 73, posted at 05.07.16 11:03:51 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 72) : Yeh i fully agree. Very concerning for the guy. Is it a case of just pure bad luck or is it a small guy trying to be brave and tackling etc that has resulted in this which could very soon curtail his career. As you say could he overcome another serious injury after this one?

  • Comment 74, posted at 05.07.16 11:06:00 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 69) : even more reason to really back April now and show confidence in him. April wil have to carry the team in CC and based on previous years most of the SR season. RdP will have to actually plan going forward that Pat is not available for at least half the season unfortunately

  • Comment 75, posted at 05.07.16 11:08:46 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 74) : He could but at what cost and why.Watch that Will Smith movie Concussion.

  • Comment 76, posted at 05.07.16 11:19:15 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 76) : I havnt seen that movie…will try find it

  • Comment 77, posted at 05.07.16 11:21:15 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Kabouter (Comment 75) : Agreed…the other question is if they can get also frequently injured Radebe to stay fit and realise his potential.

  • Comment 78, posted at 05.07.16 11:22:02 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 78) : so true. with all his injuries Inny has this CC to play himself back into contention.

    Does anyone know how long RdP Jnr’s contract is with WP? He can really provide a super foil for AE as a 12. With April, Inny and Bosch we should be ok at 10 but 12 is becoming a real question mark

  • Comment 79, posted at 05.07.16 11:26:58 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 67) : Any news on Paul Jordaan?

    Sharks really need to approach Francois Venter to replace Jordaan next year.

  • Comment 80, posted at 05.07.16 11:27:29 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 80) : Agreed. We really do need to increase our Grey College quota as it is in decline of late…

  • Comment 81, posted at 05.07.16 11:29:00 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 81) : Bissie, Jannie, Pienaar, Steyn all gone yip the quota is far too low now

    How about Paul Roos?

  • Comment 82, posted at 05.07.16 11:34:10 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 81) : Replacing like for like then – Grey for Grey…maybe even an upgrade as Venter has been mostly injury free this year – maybe just give him a proper fitness test before putting pen to paper. If anything, under Smit the Sharks had to have learned how it’s not done. :twisted:

  • Comment 83, posted at 05.07.16 11:34:41 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Kabouter (Comment 82) : Easier to get someone from Freestate to move to Durban, than getting the Cape boys to give up Table Mountain. ;-)

  • Comment 84, posted at 05.07.16 11:36:37 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 80) : @SheldonK (Comment 81) : agree with that,but just wonder how realistic it is that he will sign?capt of the cheetahs.can play both centre positions.ew viljoen was a star player at school (and is a grey old boy).played no15,wing,and no13.been playing no13 of late it seems.

  • Comment 85, posted at 05.07.16 11:37:14 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Kabouter (Comment 82) : At the moment Paarl Boys is producing some quality players and seems the Lions have gone shopping there getting 3 of them the last story i saw. @FireTheLooser (Comment 83) : I have been a fan of Venter for ages- think he is an under rated and quality player

  • Comment 86, posted at 05.07.16 11:45:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 85) : With any luck, like Lood, he too wants to join a team with some dusty silverware in the cupboard…

    If the Sharks have somebody lined-up to take over at 13, then we don’t need Venter – I’m just not confident of the way the SHarks have been developing the future stars…

    Sharks XV should be used exclusively as the baby pool before the kiddies graduate to the olympic pool.

    But when they play a guy like Heimar at 10, 12 and 13, it becomes evident that they’re using the XV to pass the time – instead of building player stocks in positions and training them on the Sharks SR gameplan.

  • Comment 87, posted at 05.07.16 11:45:27 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Defence is all about technique and commitment.if you have the techique and the heart than a 75kg player can stop a 120kg wing.deon kayser vs lomu.kayser was much more than one tackle vs the stormers in wellington.he really tackled well.

  • Comment 88, posted at 05.07.16 11:46:20 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 85) : also lets make sure we dont get Lionel Cronje Grey player….

    How is Dan Kriel’s contract looking? He is behind:

    12 – Serfontein / Odendaal
    13 – J Kriel, Serfontein, Swanepoel

    Bulls also not winning anything so a trip back home where you can start or be in match day 23 every week?

    Is Jeremy Ward tied to Kings? Ward and Bosch only two from u20 side that looked any decent – Libbok not so much in my view.

  • Comment 89, posted at 05.07.16 11:49:19 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @Kabouter (Comment 89) : Is anybody really tied to the Kings these days? :twisted:

    My Sharks dream shopping list:

    Shickerling (WP/Streamers), Velleman (Kings), Francois Venter (Tsietas), Jeremy Ward (Kings) :cool:

  • Comment 90, posted at 05.07.16 11:52:11 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Kabouter (Comment 89) : Question is what are the Sharks finances really like? What is the new CEO’s plan going forward? Are new sigings a realistic prospect?

  • Comment 91, posted at 05.07.16 11:54:43 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 90) : Velleman already off to Toulon. Apparently Lions will look at Shickerling if they dont get Lood. They need a Mostert replacement

  • Comment 92, posted at 05.07.16 11:55:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 92) : Can’t really blame Kings guys heading overseas, they’ve had first hand experience with the dark-arts of saru rugby….how many of the Kings guys are heading overseas at the end of this season – that list seems to be growing at some pace.

  • Comment 93, posted at 05.07.16 12:01:30 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 94) : haha yeh i think if you look at their team sheet on match day thats pretty much who is heading overseas…

  • Comment 94, posted at 05.07.16 12:03:05 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 95) : no one has a contract in place post SR….

    some juniors have contracts for longer but no seniors…some dodgy rescue plan in place but info has dried up very Quickly

    Maybe Pierre Mackie can provide an update?

  • Comment 95, posted at 05.07.16 12:06:04 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @Kabouter (Comment 95) : Very sad for a union that has schools such as Grey High, Dale and Selborne that are producing some really nice players. I guess they cannot retain those players much like the Sharks cant retain their school boys but are able to recruit others from other provinces whilst the Kings cant

  • Comment 96, posted at 05.07.16 12:24:10 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 96) : Can add Outeniqua, Dan Pienaar as well so junior supply no issue as SWD, EP and Border relatively competitive at junior levels. Kings u19 team mostly intact and will be a tough nut in u21 comp, unless they are all playing CC….

  • Comment 97, posted at 05.07.16 12:51:46 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 96) : That’s the problem when you replace the fox administration with the wolves administration. ;-)

  • Comment 98, posted at 05.07.16 13:05:50 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Kabouter (Comment 97) : And Sharks u19s been klapped in their first 2 games…

  • Comment 99, posted at 05.07.16 13:06:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 90) : Shickerling (WP/Streamers) is a long shot

    the strange thing now is that our lock stock looks good (lewies, ettas, and flipping ruan botha on the bench wow. future victor matfield i hyron andrews waiting in the wings, JC ackle to come back)

    I’d still love us to sign paul williamse, or lood

    just when our backline depth looks concerning

    Grab venter or small-smith, or play wandile at outside centre

  • Comment 100, posted at 05.07.16 13:21:41 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 99) : actually won 1 from 3

  • Comment 101, posted at 05.07.16 13:57:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @revolverocelot (Comment 100) : Lood is off to the Bulls or Lions in 2017

  • Comment 102, posted at 05.07.16 14:16:07 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 101) : Who did they beat? I only saw results vs Kings and Bulls

  • Comment 103, posted at 05.07.16 14:19:22 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 64) : @robdylan (Comment 67) : bad news… forget about the game on Saturday. What about the player? failing concussion test for 4 – 5 weeks, is serious. I don’t have any medical knowledge or experience with these sort of injuries? but what is the typical prognosis if he keeps failing it for this long?

  • Comment 104, posted at 05.07.16 14:19:31 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 103) : Leopards

  • Comment 105, posted at 05.07.16 14:22:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 105) : Ah ok didnt know that. Well 1 from 3 isnt thaat bad i guess

  • Comment 106, posted at 05.07.16 15:00:16 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 104) : Well, I had a serious head injury last year November, wasn’t allowed to do anything cardiovascular related for 4/5 months, wasn’t even allowed to have a couple of beers in 2 months :cry: Had a fractured skull though, but I would guess that if he is out for this long and he keeps failing the test any longer, they might tell him he’s not allowed to play again. Of course, we don’t know yet if it is only the Sharks medical team handling the injury with extreme caution, which is what I’m hoping the case is. I do hope they give us an update soon.

  • Comment 107, posted at 05.07.16 15:30:23 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 107) : To add to that, I passed a concussion test a couple of days after I was released from hospital, which in total after the incident was about 5/6 days. So yeah, if he hasn’t passed it after 4/5 weeks, it’s surely must be very serious.

  • Comment 108, posted at 05.07.16 15:38:00 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 108) : jeez.. not good! hope that he recovers well

  • Comment 109, posted at 05.07.16 15:57:10 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 108) : The concussion testing Lambie is getting is more intensive than the one that they were able to administer on you. Performing tests to determine if there are any remaining symptoms is one thing. With professional rugby players, they have recent catscan results prior to the injury and are doing very intricate analysis of his post injury scans comparing them to the pre-injury scans. I truly believe this is not only a case of the Sharks being extremely cautious with this injury but also the professional rugby protocol which is also extremely cautious. I am glad you fully recovered, I hope the same for Lambie soon.

  • Comment 110, posted at 05.07.16 16:28:38 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Seems confirmed that Lood will be joining the “trophy winning” bulls….he’ll fit in well with the rest of the lazy Freestate recruits at the bulls. :twisted:

    He should do well, just keep him away from the big scary lock in the Cape.

  • Comment 111, posted at 05.07.16 17:14:02 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 110) : It’s worrying that Lambie blacked out from the knock to his head…not a good sign as he might have suffered concussion previously – my understanding is that when concussion gets to this point, early retirement comes into play.

  • Comment 112, posted at 05.07.16 17:18:57 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 111) : 1 year contract for Lood, apparently due to his saru contract having 1 year remaining – guess who’s off to Europe after 2017 ;)

  • Comment 113, posted at 05.07.16 17:44:20 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 112) : It is most worrying because the Sharks media relations seem to be so poor. It seems impossible to get any real information about any of the injured players, as to the extent of the injuries and the reasoning of the medical staff. A simple “Pat wanted a few more days surfing before returning to the field” would have been fine. :mrgreen: :roll: :razz:

  • Comment 114, posted at 05.07.16 18:41:39 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 114) : Surf must be good this time of year…seems to be Pat’s choice injury window :twisted:

  • Comment 115, posted at 05.07.16 19:39:03 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • I would give my front teeth to get some of the Bulls centers.They have :kriel ,jannas ,Dries and Burger as centers.I would actually love having serfontein and Swanapoel at the Sharks especially Swanapoel,he’s really a good player and is not getting game time at the Bulls,him and serfontein was the best schoolboy Centre combo imo.They will be such a threat but are not getting game time together.Bulls have plenty good Centres I’m sure they won’t mind giving 2 of them to us

  • Comment 116, posted at 05.07.16 19:47:50 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 116) : I don’t know, bulls players don’t gel to well at the Sharks, unless they were caught doping (Johan Ackerman and Chili) :twisted:

  • Comment 117, posted at 05.07.16 21:08:17 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • can’t think of many who made that trip.wynand claasen,robert du preez,luke smith,odwa.andre snyman,scott mathie and joel stransky were natalians who played age-group rugby/rep rugby for the bulls.can’t recall anyone else who came down to dbn from pta.does john smit and lewies count?matriculated in pta.

  • Comment 118, posted at 05.07.16 21:27:02 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • Is that Nkosi in the pics Steve Haag released tonight?????

  • Comment 119, posted at 05.07.16 21:32:02 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 118) : Nice list, I might have to revise my list it seems :)

  • Comment 120, posted at 05.07.16 21:38:38 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Kabouter (Comment 122) : is there a link?

  • Comment 121, posted at 05.07.16 21:38:39 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 121) : https://t.co/i3DLBmmmOd
    (https://twitter.com/STEVEHAAGSPORT/status/750359897544482816?s=02)

  • Comment 122, posted at 05.07.16 22:00:05 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @Kabouter (Comment 125) : thank you.

  • Comment 123, posted at 05.07.16 22:33:40 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Kabouter (Comment 119) : Its not Nkosi…think its Buthelezi or Cele…not sure though.

  • Comment 124, posted at 06.07.16 08:08:46 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 124) : I thought it was Buthelezi.

  • Comment 125, posted at 06.07.16 09:07:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 125) : That was my first thought but he has cut his hair then.

  • Comment 126, posted at 06.07.16 09:13:24 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 125) : @SheldonK (Comment 126) : It is Buthelezi- i saw another zoomed out pic and its definitely him.

  • Comment 127, posted at 06.07.16 10:01:26 by SheldonK Reply

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