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Three Sharks ruled out


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 4 Jul 2016 at 15:23
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Willie le Roux will definitely not play for the Sharks again the Cheetahs in Super Rugby this weekend, the Bok fullback having been ruled out due to a shoulder injury sustained in the third test between the springboks and Ireland at the end of June.

Le Roux sat out Saturday’s loss at Ellis Park due to suspension, but would not have been able to play anyway due to the injury. A Sharks medical report has not indicated when he will be fit to play again and has also confirmed the non-availability of two further players, Daniel du Preez and Andre Esterhuizen. Du Preez suffered a groin tear against the Kings nearly two months ago and while his recovery is said to be “on track”, no return date has been given. Esterhuizen’s hamstring strain is set to sideline him for a further two weeks, meaning he won’t play again until the quarter-finals, should Sharks progress that far.

There’s no real update on either Pat Lambie or Paul Jordaan, with both set for further tests today. Jordaan isn’t expected to be fit for Saturday, while Lambie, it’s hoped, may have recovered sufficiently from his concussion to be available for selection.

Francois Kleinhans has suffered yet another injury and will be out for a further 2-3 weeks with a shoulder concern, while Inny-Christian Radebe is fit for selection.



48 Comments

  • If lambie is fit,then would look at 10april 12lambie combo ,and rhyno smith to no15.

  • Comment 1, posted at 04.07.16 15:57:26 by 50shadesofshark Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 1) : I would hate doing that to Lambie, but I’m afraid we are out of options at the moment. On the positive side, maybe he enjoys it and has an awesome game or 2.

  • Comment 2, posted at 04.07.16 16:04:29 by Quintin Reply
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  • Is there no way that we can get AM and Mjekevu back from the kings, since they are only there on loan, or Johan Deysel from the Leopards he was also part of the trying squad preseason and toured with to France? He can be the real deal really replacement for AE

  • Comment 3, posted at 04.07.16 16:16:45 by Henkb Reply
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  • @Henkb (Comment 3) : He looked good playing for Namibia against NZ in the WC, he might have some hidden talent in him, we’ll never know if we don’t give those type of players some game time.

  • Comment 4, posted at 04.07.16 16:24:45 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 4) : My point exactly, he also looked lik a real natural 12/13 when we had the games in France, and he was actually the only guys from Namibia that could score a try against NZ in the WC, so there is talent there no doubt about that, think we must send an SOS to him to take the 1st flight to kingspark

  • Comment 5, posted at 04.07.16 16:28:06 by Henkb Reply
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  • @Henkb (Comment 5) : And he was also known for his defense while still playing for Patria Mans Koshuis in Potch. I didn’t watch him back then but I had a couple of friends in the hostel saying he’s a good, hard hitting defender. Like I said, guess we will never know until we see what they can do on a higher level as the gap between SR and pretty much any other local rugby tournament is massive.

  • Comment 6, posted at 04.07.16 16:38:24 by Quintin Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 1) : What about Lambie 10 and April 12? Its how they brought Carter into the AB team when Spencer was still playing.

  • Comment 7, posted at 04.07.16 17:22:23 by Hulk Reply

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  • Fun – Sharks breaking down at the business end of the season….at least Gold got to squeeze every ounce out of Esterhuizen

  • Comment 8, posted at 04.07.16 18:03:13 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 7) : Why not Marius Louw at 12 Lambie at 10 and April at 15.

  • Comment 9, posted at 04.07.16 18:14:42 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 9) : Yes…your 10 and 15 is what should happen.

  • Comment 10, posted at 04.07.16 19:06:07 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • The long line of injuries at the business end of the season is ludicrous and reminds me of 2013 when the Sharks had to raid the Lions cupboard. There are blokes that can be given a chance and step up to the need. What bothers me more is the mental fragility of the Sharks at home, who are losing games they shouldn’t, if only from pure guts and determination to make Kings Park a fortress. By all means put an actual ‘green’ centre in the appropriate position. But where is our mongrel? Our dogf***?

  • Comment 11, posted at 04.07.16 19:14:34 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 9) : just saw Supersport advert for this weekends game…. Heimar scoring a try

    hopefully a good omen and he eventually delivers on potential.

  • Comment 12, posted at 04.07.16 20:00:42 by Kabouter Reply

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  • Seems Lambie won’t make it this Saturday… so April 10 – redemption son!

    12 probably Heimar, 13 no news on PJ yet…fullback is a big question mark…

  • Comment 13, posted at 04.07.16 20:26:28 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 13) : I’d like to see a combo of Heimar and JPP as I do think having JP next to him calling the defence will help Heimar. At 15 maybe time to give Bosch a change?!

  • Comment 14, posted at 04.07.16 23:08:59 by JD Reply
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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 11) : our mongrel? he’s playing in France with his brother! ;-)

  • Comment 15, posted at 04.07.16 23:10:22 by JD Reply
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  • ai man… when will we be injury free, have good and happy players, ensure high quality coaching team and be competitive in this competition again!??? :cry:

    Without having to worry about a game against the cheetahs… just nothing good in the game on Saturday to give any confidence as a supporter against the usual bogey side that’s lurking on Saturday

  • Comment 16, posted at 04.07.16 23:24:41 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • Lood says he wants to move to a team that wins trophies… “either the Lion or the Bulls”…… it just sucks not being one of those teams that wins trophies anymore :oops:

  • Comment 17, posted at 04.07.16 23:28:23 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 17) : to be honest Lood is not showing the form he did last year so he might not get the offers that he wants.

  • Comment 18, posted at 05.07.16 00:03:52 by JD Reply
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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 17) : When last have the bulls won anything?

  • Comment 19, posted at 05.07.16 05:27:14 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 14) : Yup, agree with that.

  • Comment 20, posted at 05.07.16 05:28:21 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 14) : JPP cannot play #13 he can hardly play Wing , we need to stop playing player out of position we have young outside centres we need to use them , I would play Heimar @ #12 and Sithole @ #13 with Louw on the bench

  • Comment 21, posted at 05.07.16 06:45:45 by John Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 9) : I had asked about him last week and was told his development is on track but just isn’t ready for SR yet. So on that information I decided I’d keep him out.

    I would choose 10. Lambie 12. Heimer – I mean Heimer was really set up to fail on Saturday. Hasn’t got a look in with the SR team this year, then gets a call on Thursday due to Esterhuizens injury, probably had a captains practice on Friday with the management probably having no intention of playing him for more than 5 minutes. Instead he gets 75 minutes. No wonder he looked like he had no clue on defense, he probably didn’t. I’d give him this week to train in the starting 12 spot, he should be able to get to grips with the teams defensive patterns and be a lot better than Saturday.

  • Comment 22, posted at 05.07.16 07:37:32 by Hulk Reply

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  • @John (Comment 21) : If we dont want to play people out of position then we shouldnt be playing Sithole at 13 as he is a wing. Should rather then look at a youngster. Im not a fan of players only playing 1 position…i think the best players should all be on the field as much as can be accommodated. But thats just my thinking.

  • Comment 23, posted at 05.07.16 07:54:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 23) : Well then we have to play Neil Maritz @ 13 but I understand he have not been offered a contract , very weird as he a the only other # 13 @ the sharks other than Jordaan that is gone now so we can go for a # 12 Heimar # 13 Louw combo with April @ the back depending if Lambie is available , we can also try INNY @ #10 and April @ # 15 but we have to start backing the youth , but we all know the team will look like this again :

    9 – Claassens
    10 – April
    11 – Mvovo
    12 – Heimar
    13 – JPP
    14 – Sithole
    15 – Ndungane

    Terrible

  • Comment 24, posted at 05.07.16 08:37:47 by John Reply

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  • Backline maybe have an excuse due to all the injury disruptions and late changes, but what worries me is that our starting pack got their arses handed to them big time in all department expect lineouts. Lewies looked like the only player keen to get on with it – the rest just faded away.

    When we brought on Chillie, Coenie, Thomas, Botha and Thera things did look better, but by then the Lions had the game in the bag and could play on cruise control.

  • Comment 25, posted at 05.07.16 08:50:02 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @John (Comment 24) : Yeh i agree thats what the team will be again. The Sharks really are a bit thin in terms of midfielders to be honest. And im not sure what the solution is. Neil Maritz hardly played for the Sharks XV this year, although that team chopped and changed so much. They had Marwana at 12 but i feel he would be better suited to 13 or even wing. I think a guy like Morne Joubert needs to make the move from 15 to 13- he is in the Jacque Fourie mould. The where are guys like Sithole and Mjekevu that can play 13 but im not sold on them there yet…think they better at wing. That Lukhanyo Am looks to have a lot of potential but still makes too many errors for my liking. Going forward id love to see the April/ Lambie combo at 10/12 with Esterhuizen at 13 and a guy like Bosch at 15.

  • Comment 26, posted at 05.07.16 08:52:37 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 26) : I am not too keen on Esterhuizen @ 13 I don’t think he have the pace , I really don’t understand why it is so hard too get a proper #13 you only need a guy with good acceleration and speed with good hands and a bonus if he have a eye for a gap but we have nobody , also what I was wondering is don’t the age group shark teams have the same defence patterns as the senior side if they do then why did Heimar have no clue on defence

  • Comment 27, posted at 05.07.16 09:02:30 by John Reply

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  • @John (Comment 27) : Esterhuizen doesnt have express pace but my idea is with April/Lambie inside him they should be putting him into the gap to break the line and if he can do that and then offload to a flying wing or fullback it can be very effective. In terms of defensive structure…i would assume that the age group sides are developing the same pattern but with Omar only just arriving this year im sure he is spending more time with the top side currently and it will take time to filter down. Defense is alot about communication and trusting the guys either side of you…so think the midfield rejig could have something to do with the defense not being 100%. I dont think it was an understanding thing but more just a case of people missing tackles…and no defensive pattern can prevent that. Only in the 2nd half were the sharks defensive line coming up at some speed and making hits…first half was very passive

  • Comment 28, posted at 05.07.16 09:26:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 28) : We will have to see how it goes this week . I think we will win the cheetahs but not by as much as we want to I hope they give a few young guys a chance off the bench I would really like Louw to have a shot at centre and Eksteen but with Smith there now the latter is a long shot , the team for the weekend , well I am sure we can all name the team already and Gold’s words will be that he have to go for consistency and that they had a good week of practise and they want to redeem themselves blah blah , in about a year when odwa is gone and JPP going now MVovo getting old we will only have 70 SR caps in the backline and 95% will come from Lambie because we don’t blood young guys

  • Comment 29, posted at 05.07.16 09:57:15 by John Reply

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  • @John (Comment 29) : I think we could be underestimating the Cheetahs…they played very good rugby in the first half last week and the Sharks were woeful in the first half…if that repeats we could be in trouble. Remember also the Cheetahs beat the Sharks in Durban last year. I think this weekend will be a very tough game especially if the Sharks have the same disinterested approach as last week

  • Comment 30, posted at 05.07.16 10:02:47 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 30) : True , but I think the Sharks will be up for the game , as I said I think we will win but not by much or the ironic will happen and Freddy will destroy us epically if April starts

  • Comment 31, posted at 05.07.16 10:23:29 by John Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 28) : I made a statement earlier in the season, saying that our defence is top notch, but that there is no attacking flair. I also said that eventually, the dam wall would break, as players simply cannot keep tackling all game, game in and game out. I just wonder, Omar has certainly made a massive difference on defence, but has this come at a cost – ie, where is our attack? Can we get any stats to see how many tries we are scoring per game? As the legendary Graham Henry said, defence is important, but if a team scores 50 against us, we need to score 51 and we win. We have to be able to use the ball and attack, we can’t play this outdated style of kick up field and tackle, tackle, tackle

  • Comment 32, posted at 05.07.16 10:25:35 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @John (Comment 31) : Ive never been a fan of irony….

  • Comment 33, posted at 05.07.16 10:25:47 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 32) : Look i agree to an extent but i think a large part of why we defend so much is because we make so many mistakes on attack or turn over the ball that we are forced to defend and look to score off the turnovers we create. Defending is tiring yes but so too is maintaining the ball on attack and thats why i questioned our conditioning as on attack we would lose the ball after 3 phases as we simply didnt have bodies there to protect the ball. So yes i think by and large Omar has done his job in terms of massively improving our defense…but what has Rob DuPreez contributed? people were very quick to have a go at Sean Everitt and those before DuPreez regarding our attack but what has DuPreez done if we honest?

  • Comment 34, posted at 05.07.16 10:30:24 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 34) : Well, if we look at our attacking structure, then we would have to say he does very poorly. We look no where on attack. The only part of our game that I have been very proud of is our defence, but that came to a vey sudden holt against the Lions. Sadly, the Irish have identified a huge weakness in Mvovo, put little grubbers and kicks over his head and he is no where, almost like a headless chicken. He can run in a fast straight line, but can do little else I am afraid. His pass to Ndungane was shocking, like an u14c pass, high and behind the player, surely as a Springbok wing, you know how to draw a man and put a pass in front of the player – should Rob not be working on this day in and day out at training.

    Anyway, besides lots of heart and massive defence this year, the truth is, our rugby has failed to get me off my chair cheering, it is an outdated boring style and if the defensive structure creaks, it is tickets

  • Comment 35, posted at 05.07.16 10:55:23 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • I don’t have an actual problem with the backline line-up as it was last Saturday, we know these guys can deliver, but they didn’t pitch up on Sat.

    I really believe that they can deliver the goods if they are in the right headspace and have the commitment that is required.

    But will they, only Sat will tell?

  • Comment 36, posted at 05.07.16 11:16:01 by stevovo Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 35) : I fully get where you are coming from, and watching on a Saturday i get the same uninspired feeling. And then come Sunday and Monday i try t figure out whats going wrong. For me a big thing is conditioning and fitness/speed. They can say all they like how hard they training and conditioning but on pure evidence the Sharks are not as explosive, take longer to get off the ground and back into position and dont dominate the contact points as well as the Lions or any of the New Zealand sides. So that is problem 1. Problem 2 is the Sharks discipline- we give away so so many stupid/silly penalties its not even funny…those penalties let the opposition get momentum and/or allow them relief from any pressure the Sharks exert. And then problem 3- basic skills. The number of wayward passes, dropped passes,badly timed skip passes, badly executed kicks is shocking for a professional side. I truly believe that Sharks rugby will not really progress into champion contenders unless those 3 aspects are addressed.

  • Comment 37, posted at 05.07.16 11:18:19 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 37) : Yes I agree on all points. Just one thing of massive concern, the Lions pack hurt us in the scrum on Saturday – the only reason it got better in the second half, is that the entire Lions front row were taken off. Beast and Adriaanse were dominated badly and this will need to be corrected on Saturday.

  • Comment 38, posted at 05.07.16 11:33:10 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @stevovo (Comment 36) : A full week of training together for Heimar and (possibly) JPP will make a world of difference.

    Still think the Sharks should back Heimar, not much choice any way.

  • Comment 39, posted at 05.07.16 11:39:58 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 38) : Adriaanse wasnt that bad if you watch again, his side pretty much stays stable and doesnt go backwards but Beast was dominated by Redelinghuis. I havnt been impressed with Beasts scrumming for a while- i think his binding is very sloppy and he is slow to engage which allows the opposition to get the initial hit. He backs himself to try outmuscle his opponent but when you have a strong and sound scrummager like Redelinghuis its very difficult- especially when you have a pack like the Lions that scrum quickly and all eight are working in the same direction and speed

  • Comment 40, posted at 05.07.16 11:42:15 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 40) : Redelinghuys has to start for the Boks – the Canes game where the Lions got hammered, Redelinghuys was injured….past Saturday, as soon as he went off, Sharks gained ascendancy in the scrum and also on attack.

    He has become the real deal.

  • Comment 41, posted at 05.07.16 11:48:40 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 40) : Don t discount the difference Botha made to the scrums when he came on that guy contributes to the scrums in a Bakkies Botha way,incredibly strong .

  • Comment 42, posted at 05.07.16 11:48:48 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 42) : Ive been impressed with him the games i have seen. He has definitely added some bulk since i remember him in WP colours. Think him and Lewies need to play lots of games together. Coenie has been a lot better since he spent time with the SA A side…but i still feel he is a better sub than 80min player.

  • Comment 43, posted at 05.07.16 11:57:48 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Gavin Rich reports that Lambie not available for the Cheetahs game: http://www.supersport.com/rugby/super-rugby/news/160705/Lambie_to_miss_Cheetahs_game_too…it’s enough to make a fella morose

  • Comment 44, posted at 05.07.16 11:58:14 by SeanJeff Reply
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  • So Pats injury a lot more serious than they led us to believe?

  • Comment 45, posted at 06.07.16 06:19:49 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 41) : Whatever happened to Ruan Dreyer? He was also looking to become quite the contender. I know he was out on injury beginning of SR but since then?

  • Comment 46, posted at 06.07.16 07:06:40 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SeanJeff (Comment 44) : 3 weeks on a concussion? They didn’t tell us the full story again.

  • Comment 47, posted at 06.07.16 07:08:12 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 47) : This would be the 4th week…

  • Comment 48, posted at 06.07.16 07:54:06 by SheldonK Reply

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