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Backing April


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 6 Jul 2016 at 09:32
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It’s now official that Pat Lambie has been ruled out for at least another week, meaning the Sharks flyhalf jersey for this weekend’s game against the Cheetahs is “up for grabs”. In my view, Garth April is the man who simply has to be backed in that key position, despite an indifferent performance at Ellis Park on Saturday.

I’ve been watching the April situation over the last few months with growing dismay, which is in fact close to anger at this point. I feel that the poor guy is being used as some sort of “fairy tale poster boy” to prove that it’s possible to rise from the relative obscurity of Community Cup rugby to playing for the Springboks, without too many people spending any time concerned about the welfare of Garth April the individual. After a couple of very good games for the Sharks, Garth spent the next month being kicked around like the proverbial football between Allister Coetzee and Johan Ackermann before being summarily discarded by both. I wonder how he must have felt after that process?

Coetzee shouldn’t have picked a player in his squad if he wasn’t prepared to back him in a test match. By the same token, Coetzee and Ackermann really should have sat down and talked about their respective selection strategies before their squads were picked, to avoid the situation that developed. If April playing for the A side was in the national interest (and I believe it was) then he should have been picked in that squad initially and backed to play there, regardless of his jittery showing in the first game. This nonsense of picking a player from relative obscurity, chucking him into the deep end and then dropping him if he doesn’t immediately swim has got to stop.

Getting back to the Sharks, though, it’s not surprising that April looks hesitant. It took a long time for him to backed with the jersey in the first place (remember something like eight weeks of Joe Pietersen at flyhalf?) and when he did play – and play well – he was instantaneously dropped for Lambie at the first opportunity. More of the same treatment at national level must have left the poor guy with massive, massive amounts of pressure on his shoulders every time he takes the field. “Make it happen at all costs, Garth, because if you don’t shine in the next 40 minutes, your chance is gone”.

No, we’ve simply got to do the right thing here and help Garth April to get his confidence back. He must play this weekend and must be reassured that he remains a hugely valuable member of the squad moving forward. We’ve seen what he can do when he’s on form – let’s give him the time and opportunity to develop the consistency that will make him a world class player.



108 Comments

  • Agree 100% Rob. Back him, build his confidence and let’s get our Garth back! #BackingGarth

  • Comment 1, posted at 06.07.16 09:36:42 by Another Nick Reply
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  • To be fair to Ackers, the SA A squad was announced before he was appointed and he probably had no say in their selection. He was then told he had to start April when April was sent down from the Bok squad, all 4 players had to start. The 4 Bok squad players were recalled after the first SA A game and not released back to the SA A squad.

  • Comment 2, posted at 06.07.16 09:52:37 by Baylion Reply
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  • I really dont think April has been that bad, even on Sat. Yes he made a mistake or two but my goodness he had shocking ball and serious pressure to deal with and a scrummy having a shocker in front of him and centres disappearing outside him. I think he has a lot of good attributes and is very quickly learning the ins and outs of top flight rugby. Should he have been in the Bok side- no! He should at most have been picked on the bench for the SA A side where he could train and learn from other more experienced players and also get a taste of higher level rugby. We so quick to elevate a guy to savior of the nation after one or two good performances. Let the players develop and fully learn their trade before we place all our hopes on them.

  • Comment 3, posted at 06.07.16 09:54:37 by SheldonK Reply
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  • yes play april at no10.think lambie at no12 in this game would have been good for him.lambie at no10 could be good for heimar at no12.

  • Comment 4, posted at 06.07.16 09:55:06 by 50shadesofshark Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 3) : Well said!

    I think Garth is a real talent, but this is his first year as a full time professional, give the guy a break and back him. There are no words more important than ‘I believe in you.’ Gary Gold needs to sit him down, tell him he backs him 100% and give him full control to play what he sees.

  • Comment 5, posted at 06.07.16 09:57:05 by StevieS Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 5) : 100%.

  • Comment 6, posted at 06.07.16 09:59:59 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Agreed.

  • Comment 7, posted at 06.07.16 10:01:32 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 2) : no, they weren’t “not released”. Ackermann told Coetzee he did not want them and would not pick them.

  • Comment 8, posted at 06.07.16 10:05:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • 100% agree, wont lie April prob only made 6 mistakes/hesitations at Ellis park… they just seemed to happen at crucial times. But I do not think its because he lacks talent its just confidence which caused hesitations.

    I will definitely be at the stadium cheering on the boys.

  • Comment 9, posted at 06.07.16 10:05:40 by Warren Harvey Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 7) : I generally know I’m right about something when you agree with me :)

  • Comment 10, posted at 06.07.16 10:05:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @StevieS (Comment 5) : @SheldonK (Comment 3) : listened to a clip of eddie jones explaining the importance of confidence and ensuring every player knows where he stands.also,do not dwell on the mistakes.correct them.but need to remember why the player was selected: was not selected for what he can’t do,but what he can do.important to remember.there is no complete player.

  • Comment 11, posted at 06.07.16 10:06:28 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) : Aahh

  • Comment 12, posted at 06.07.16 10:12:31 by Baylion Reply

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  • Fully agree, the minute Coetzee picked April in that Bok squad he became that fairy tale poster boy. I dont think Ackerman had much to do with the situation that April found himself in, in fact I think his preparation was hampered by guys from the the Bok squad being shifted in and out of his squad.

  • Comment 13, posted at 06.07.16 10:13:07 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 13) : I don’t blame him, per se. I just don’t think the mandate was clear.

  • Comment 14, posted at 06.07.16 10:15:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 14) : you know what the road to hell is paved with. I’m sure Toetie meant well, but his judgement was poor in this matter.

  • Comment 15, posted at 06.07.16 10:16:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • April being dropped for Lambie is to be expected, and April will probably know that he’s second in the pecking order – as Sheldon said, he had rubbish ball to deal with….even Claasens got flustered.

    If Lambie was fit, Lambie should start…April will get plenty opportunities during CC…

    If we remember correctly, April’s initial games from the bench was just as nervy, he knocked a fair few balls – but after Joe’s implosion, we knew we had to back April, and be patient as he grows into the position.

    Let’s apply that same patience now again.

  • Comment 16, posted at 06.07.16 10:16:05 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Don’t know where to post this comment,but heard on the news this morning that the bidding for lood was between the sharks and bulls.sharks pulled out and bulls signed the player for r3.6 million.same as etzebeth and psdt.this according to the news sports report.

  • Comment 17, posted at 06.07.16 10:17:42 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 17) : I don’t know for how much he signed, but in the end it was between the Lions and the Bulls.

  • Comment 18, posted at 06.07.16 10:26:01 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @Another Nick (Comment 19) : news report I listened to only mentioned sharks and bulls.

  • Comment 19, posted at 06.07.16 10:31:41 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 19) : Didn’t realise News24 had a radio show :twisted:

  • Comment 20, posted at 06.07.16 10:41:03 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 21) : wasn’t news 24 :D

  • Comment 21, posted at 06.07.16 10:54:29 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 20) : @50shadesofshark (Comment 21) : :lol: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 22, posted at 06.07.16 11:07:29 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) : Must feel great to be right so often :grin:

  • Comment 23, posted at 06.07.16 11:17:54 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) : @vanmartin (Comment 23) : #BroMance :twisted:

  • Comment 24, posted at 06.07.16 11:32:25 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • I hadn’t realised we had any option but to back April. Granted agree 100% we must back him. He got better as the game wore on against the Lions.

  • Comment 25, posted at 06.07.16 11:46:14 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Hulk (Comment 25) : if you can’t be with the one you love, love the one you’re with :)

  • Comment 26, posted at 06.07.16 12:18:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) : Rob , OT . something weird with your comment reply numbering . i see you reply to Baylion (comment13) but comment 13 was posted by Salmonoid the Subtle . happened yesterday as well

  • Comment 27, posted at 06.07.16 12:25:36 by Zibbie Reply
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  • I hear your sentiments, however these players are earning a salary making them professionals. What is in the best interest of team should come first and not the emotional challenges that a player might or might not face. They knew what they get into when they signed their contracts and should not hold a team at hostage with their emotional issues. With this I am not saying they should not be treated with dignity and respect. I am just saying they have chosen their career and should not benefit at the expense of a team, because of emotions. History has proven that selections based on emotions do not do well for the team.

    The abovementioned been said, with all our injuries in this pivot position, I am unable to suggest a replacement with a proven record and in the absence of that, I would suggest April. Only in the absence of a proven alternative.

  • Comment 28, posted at 06.07.16 12:44:33 by BluffShark Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 24) : Or #MutualAdmirationSociety? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 29, posted at 06.07.16 12:48:07 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Gareth may not have had the best of games last we, but i don’t blame him in the least. His backline fell apart around. And they were up against the best team in the country

    saturday game against the cheetahs is going to be tough though

  • Comment 30, posted at 06.07.16 13:12:40 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • Gareth may not have had the best of games last we, but i don’t blame him in the least. His backline fell apart around. And they were up against the best team in the country

    saturday game against the cheetahs is going to be tough t

  • Comment 31, posted at 06.07.16 13:13:32 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @BluffShark (Comment 29) : ian mac famously used a psychologist to help the natal team prepare for the cc final vs northern tvl in 1990.”mental coaching” in pro sport is very important.

  • Comment 32, posted at 06.07.16 13:14:05 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 29) : Doesn’t quite have the same sarcasm-ring to it, does it… :grin:

  • Comment 33, posted at 06.07.16 13:25:27 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 32) : I also believe players that know they have some match temperament issues, should be professional enough to spend some of their own money on a mental coach…teams can’t be expected to babysit every single player through their various shortcomings – you wanna make the team, identify your own weaknesses and get professional help.

  • Comment 34, posted at 06.07.16 13:28:25 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Consider that the Lions team that April played against last week were coached by the same chap that had coached him in the last game he had played. They would have known ever,y and any weakness that he may have and would have been the best team around to exploit those weakness’ which could just as well be mental as in playing ability. I didnt really watch the game closely but from what I could remember I think he got better as the game progressed and if thats right then Id say that a big hurdle had already been cleared.

  • Comment 35, posted at 06.07.16 13:57:01 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 35) : with the amount of money invested in players (across all levels,from the u19 to sr) ,I think it makes sense for teams to appoint a “head coach”.

  • Comment 36, posted at 06.07.16 14:10:03 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 35) : You actually make a lot of sense,but the guy that had the mare was Claassens,he had the worst game I ‘ve seen him have for years.The knock on effect of that rippled out to April.
    I actually think April is a great talent and we are very fortunate to have him,he is far superior to Zeilinger,give him time to settle.The worst thing that can happen him is to race him into a Bok jersey before he has a season of Super rugby,can you see the New Zealanders ever doing that.

  • Comment 37, posted at 06.07.16 14:23:15 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 38) : christian cullen.jeff wilson and jonah lomu made abs debut as 19-year olds.depends on the player.

  • Comment 38, posted at 06.07.16 14:37:17 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • I totally support you on this. People are too quick to shift the blame on others and then deny their own accountability. If you as a player (or human) has been found wanting, then the onus should be on you to address the issue.

    Yes, Mac had numerous tricks in his sleeve. He was a master in playing the game on and off the field. Unfortunately I am unable to say the same of Gold. That being said, he has done so far better what I’ve expected from him. So I give him some credit.

  • Comment 39, posted at 06.07.16 14:42:48 by BluffShark Reply

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  • I don’t agree that our team really played better in the 2nd half. By that time, the Lions had no more reason to play. They also started with all their replacements. And No. a true Shark Support won’t comment on the ref… lol

    Personally, I think Zelinga is wasted with the Cheetahs and I do think he is underrated.

  • Comment 40, posted at 06.07.16 14:48:26 by BluffShark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 38) : True but they were all wings,not in the decision making 10 jersey,we have a history in this country of throwing promising players to the wolves before they are ready. Gaffie ,Goosen,

  • Comment 41, posted at 06.07.16 14:48:55 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 42) : yes,very true.players are quickly hyped in sa.and then even quicker written-off after a not-so-satisfying performance.

  • Comment 42, posted at 06.07.16 15:03:59 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 42) : April is a class act but to push him into The Bok side on the strength of a handful Super rugby games is criminal.

  • Comment 43, posted at 06.07.16 15:09:30 by The hound Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 42) : @The hound (Comment 43) : I agree with both of you in some way, April can be the back up to Lambie and Jantjies for the boks, but he must have time to develop with the squad, but we as sport fans in SA tend to expect miracles from the guys game in and game out, and when they have the a bit of an off game, they get dropped or benched, look at how NZ brought Barrett into the squad at 1st, 10-15 minutes per game, and even less when it was crucial game and only then after they secured the win, and what a 10 he has developed into, we should have the same mind set, yes they will make mistakes from time to time, but the mistake should be corrected and move on as the player have strengths, that will be the reason for him being in the team in the 1st place, but I don’t think April should start at 10 now for the boks against NZ, AUS ext. maybe when we play the Argies, Scotland ext give him some game time there

  • Comment 44, posted at 06.07.16 16:01:23 by Henkb Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark (Comment 38) : But none of them played FH. Think your flyhalf has a lot more pressure on him than many other positions. Even Lambie played 15 and 12 before playing his first game at 10 for the sharks

  • Comment 45, posted at 06.07.16 16:04:59 by HeinF Reply

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  • @BluffShark (Comment 40) : I fully agree we might as well all have left including the Lions,not much was going to threaten their win

  • Comment 46, posted at 06.07.16 16:22:01 by benji Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 41) : yup but look at the Goose now at Racing,eish he kak hot player

  • Comment 47, posted at 06.07.16 16:23:13 by benji Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 3) : I fully agree but now is the time to punt him,give him the chances others have been afforded

  • Comment 48, posted at 06.07.16 16:25:32 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 47) : Goosen was clever slipped under the radar and went where the weight of unjustified expectation was lifted off his shoulders.He gave himself a chance to play himself back into confidence.,out of the South African glare, he did it so well that I would want him to start for the Boks now

  • Comment 49, posted at 06.07.16 16:28:28 by The hound Reply
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  • @HeinF (Comment 46) : ok I found one name: aaron cruden.first season of sr for the hurricanes in 2010 and ab debut in 2010 as replacement for dan carter in a test match at 21 years of age.with no10s like mehrtens,spencer,and then carter,the abs did not need to throw youngsters into the cauldron of test rugby.

  • Comment 50, posted at 06.07.16 16:59:19 by 50shadesofshark Reply

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  • Well said Rob! Hope GG pick April again as I’m sure he will improve!

  • Comment 51, posted at 06.07.16 18:06:22 by JD Reply
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  • With cellC extending their Sharks title sonsorship, I wonder whether the books are now squared away?

  • Comment 52, posted at 06.07.16 18:44:58 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • If Pat is git Pat will play. He has earned that right. Sorry for April but if he puts in that many years take that much pain we can talk. This is not a charity. Apart from that Gary should refuse to let him go to Coetzee or Ackermann for the next year or two. Because if Pat is doing duty or injured April should play. That would his right as the number 2. Provided he works hard to remain the first choice number 2 and Pat works hard to stay the first choice nr 1, which he always does. …

  • Comment 53, posted at 06.07.16 19:16:55 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 52) : Also wondering, did they only extend the sponsorship or extend with some extra cash? We seriously need some good paper to get things back on track financially. I do not know how the books are looking, but judging by the way our top management and ex-management has handled things lately, it can certainly not be an oil painting.

    @The hound (Comment 49) : Doesn’t that just mean he can’t handle the pressure put on him by Saffa’s? Easier when no one expects that much of you. Not saying he isn’t a good player though, certainly one we could do with at the moment.

  • Comment 54, posted at 06.07.16 20:41:01 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 54) : From what fundraai explained, it would seem as though any negatives has to be covered by the stakeholders – which is probably why Smit said that they nearly have the finances square….so I’d imagine renewal of sponsorships would require the sponsors to pony up.

  • Comment 55, posted at 06.07.16 20:52:56 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 55) : The renewal surely is great news and must relieve quite a few uncertainties…

    wonder how salary budget looks like for next year compared to previous year and current year- will also give an indication of buying power and how gaps are being filled.

  • Comment 56, posted at 06.07.16 22:57:27 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 49) : I agree but how do SARU get a player of that ability back to play for the Bokke?

  • Comment 57, posted at 06.07.16 23:45:02 by benji Reply
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  • [email protected]coolfusion (Comment 53) : Eish you have now convinced me that you definitely have a Bambi altar in your back garden

  • Comment 58, posted at 07.07.16 00:08:51 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 58) : And why is it always “anyone but Lambie” with some people? What has the guy done but give his best every game? But you would readily exchange him for any player who is flavor of the month or on form for one season out of many, or tall enough or shows some promise but not fully confirmed for more than one year ad being so…yup your reasoning makes more sense.

  • Comment 59, posted at 07.07.16 07:02:47 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 59) : You’re wasting your breath; benji’s views regarding Lambie are as balanced as an egg on a see-saw, and no amount of logic or rational discussion will change that. Or to put it in a different prespective; it’s pretty similar to that whole Culling Song vs. Conrad Hoffman deal…

  • Comment 60, posted at 07.07.16 07:20:20 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 60) : Zoolander was underdtandable, especially not fighting for Cam Wright or letting Charl leave.

    Pat and Charl was a better combo than Faf and Elton but never got an opportunity to play together for Bokke

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  • @Henkb (Comment 44) : Remember when Pollard returns April will not be a bok , will you choose April above Pollard , Jantjies or Lambie , the answer is no , unless he is used as a fullback I would anyway use pollard @ 10 and Lambie @ 15 with the Boks so April needs a few SR seasons to prove he is better then those 3 players , they all are the same age more or less as well

  • Comment 62, posted at 07.07.16 07:41:38 by John Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 60) : Where is the the real “Hoff” these days?

  • Comment 63, posted at 07.07.16 07:48:28 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 63) : Fast asleep on some poor team’s bench no doubt.

  • Comment 64, posted at 07.07.16 08:02:44 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 64) : Someone should probably wake him up and give him a blanket and some coffee…its cold out there :)

  • Comment 65, posted at 07.07.16 08:11:51 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 65) : That’s pretty much my memory of him at the Sharks summed up – on the bench with a warm blanky, cup of coffee, and a breakfast-hairdo :twisted:

    Who’s idea was it to contract him, and that has-been centre (Marius Joubert??) – I’m certain those were gifts to us fans from that previous regime….you know, the regime that had all those millions to spare because of their superior financial management :roll:

  • Comment 66, posted at 07.07.16 08:18:30 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @John (Comment 62) : I would still rate April above Pollard at 10, Poland can be used better at 12 when he returns to the bok squad can give much better dimensions as DE Fallende

  • Comment 67, posted at 07.07.16 08:19:00 by Henkb Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 66) : Im sure we actually signed Hoffman twice…

  • Comment 68, posted at 07.07.16 08:53:54 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @benji (Comment 58) : You asked me what has Lambie done for us in 7 years? Watch this, just to remind you : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuNz0iUMP2o

    @Henkb (Comment 67) : We haven’t seen that much of April so I wouldn’t go as far as saying he’s better than Pollard however I do agree that Pollard would be a better 12 than 10.

  • Comment 69, posted at 07.07.16 08:55:41 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Henkb (Comment 67) : The reason Pollard wont play 12 is that the Bulls dont have a 10 to enable him to play 12. So he will play 10 for them.

  • Comment 70, posted at 07.07.16 08:56:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 70) : I do think he would make a rather good 12 but would pick him even above Jantjies at the moment but … what about this Jantjies @ 10 Pollard @ 12 Lambie @ 15

  • Comment 71, posted at 07.07.16 09:01:51 by John Reply

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  • If Lambie retires,heres my wish list backline,Faf,Goosen,Frans Steyn,Mapoe,JPP,Lawazi and Willie,

  • Comment 72, posted at 07.07.16 09:03:38 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 72) : When Lambie retires Frans , JPP . Lwazi and willie will be in old age home already !!! unless lambies injury that he have now force him into retirement

  • Comment 73, posted at 07.07.16 09:05:33 by John Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 69) : You know watching that i cant help but think that Lambie should play 15 and had he stuck to 15 he would be firmly established as the first choice Bok 15. Just my thoughts

  • Comment 74, posted at 07.07.16 09:05:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 74) : I agree with you 100 % he is a very good 15 full package

  • Comment 75, posted at 07.07.16 09:06:36 by John Reply

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  • @John (Comment 71) : I do think guys like Polalrd and even Rob Dupreez would make better 12s than 10s. So yes do like that backline you suggest. Add Mapoe at 13 and Combrinck on the one wing and we getting somewhere

  • Comment 76, posted at 07.07.16 09:07:10 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 72) : Bit unsure of your back 3 but like the 9,10,12,13

  • Comment 77, posted at 07.07.16 09:08:08 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @John (Comment 73) : I do think there is a fair chance that he has a career ending injury.

  • Comment 78, posted at 07.07.16 09:08:34 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 76) :
    9 faf
    10 jantjies
    11 JPP / willie
    12 pollard
    13 Mapoe / de Allende
    14 combrinck
    15 lambie

    we can beat the all blacks with this and a proper forward pack

  • Comment 79, posted at 07.07.16 09:09:08 by John Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 78) : yeah I have also started to wonder on that would be a very sad day

  • Comment 80, posted at 07.07.16 09:10:01 by John Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 74) : I agree. It’s just to show what he has contributed to SA rugby, be it at FH or FB, the guy has served us well in the past.

  • Comment 81, posted at 07.07.16 09:11:17 by Quintin Reply

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  • @John (Comment 79) : Yeh that looks good. I do like Willie on the wing- think he is actually at his best there. Im interested to see how Kriel goes at 15 for the Bulls this weekend

  • Comment 82, posted at 07.07.16 09:12:10 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 81) : Cant argue with that

  • Comment 83, posted at 07.07.16 09:12:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 66) : Speaking of finances, have your poster boys had their date with the Daily News yet. I was away for a while and havent seen anything yet.

  • Comment 84, posted at 07.07.16 09:12:50 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @John (Comment 79) : I would be more than happy with that backline. With Pollard and Pat being there, it takes the pressure of Jantjies in regards with the tactical kicking so he can focus on his attacking game, Willie with x-factor on the wing and not carrying such a heavy responsibility with the exit kicks as from FB, I like it.

  • Comment 85, posted at 07.07.16 09:15:19 by Quintin Reply

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  • @John (Comment 80) : http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/full-shocking-toll-rugby-concussions-11112463

  • Comment 86, posted at 07.07.16 09:20:37 by The hound Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 85) : Defence also very solid and we can play any gameplan we can run and kick but will we ever see it ? haha NO

  • Comment 87, posted at 07.07.16 09:24:06 by John Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 86) : This is kind of scary and maybe stander got off to easy , ! week ban vs possible career ending injury ?

  • Comment 88, posted at 07.07.16 09:27:02 by John Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 84) : Welcome back Oom….not that I know of, guess they’ll let the cellc sponsor extension do the talking for them ;)

  • Comment 89, posted at 07.07.16 09:29:53 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @John (Comment 88) : I think Stander could at least have tried something to avoid the collision , but would it have helped seeing that he committed already and was in the air? I think if a player is truly responsible without any doubt for another players injury, he should be suspended for the amount of time the other player is injured.

  • Comment 90, posted at 07.07.16 09:35:24 by Quintin Reply

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  • @John (Comment 88) : I don’t think Stander meant that,I think it was an unfortunate collision,my concerns for Patrick is that it is his third above the neck injury in a year.I would like to see the utmost caution taken with his re entry to the game.

  • Comment 91, posted at 07.07.16 09:39:17 by The hound Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 90) : I agree with that , if his intension or not I don’t care he is playing and Lambie is not because of him being reckless , anyway getiing back to April haha , I would bench him for the boks in this backline and give him 20 to 30 mins @ 10

    9 faf
    10 jantjies
    11 JPP / willie
    12 pollard
    13 Mapoe / de Allende
    14 combrinck
    15 lambie

  • Comment 92, posted at 07.07.16 09:42:15 by John Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 90) : From the hits on the Boks 9 and 10 even after Lmabie was replaced it was clear that the irish knew that if they disrupted the Boks there then our backline wouldnt go anywhere and they were winning up front. So Stander’s adrenaline was probably still pumping and what he did was in the heat of the moment and was indeed reckless. He isnt a malicous player though and i truly believe he regrets that lambie got so severely injured. So for me yes he probably shouldnt have got a longer ban purely on him pleading not guilty. But the series is over now so for me i have no problem with him keeping on playing. its unfortunate what happened to Lambie but taking into account Lambie’s injury report card over the last couple years was this merely something bound to happen sooner rather than later?

  • Comment 93, posted at 07.07.16 09:42:57 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 93) : Maybe all the injuries on the report card can also have something to do with him starting playing SR at a young age , if we take a look pollard another example same with goosen , yes they have the skill to play there but is their bodies ready ? some player are fine at starting at a young age but not all , also a reason why we should not let Bosch play SR now , how many times have Thomas the tank been injured and he is only 19/20

  • Comment 94, posted at 07.07.16 09:47:47 by John Reply

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  • @John (Comment 94) : Would certainly be an interesting study. I think as its a contact sport injuries are part and parcel of the game and some are just bad luck. However, it would be interesting to see the injury rate of players starting top flight senior rugby under the age of 21…I dont have all the facts on everyone but players that do come to mind Lambie, Goosen, Cruden, O’Connor are all known to be injury plagued

  • Comment 95, posted at 07.07.16 09:52:39 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @John (Comment 94) : In Pat’s case, I don’t think it has anything to do with age but with the way he always played the game,full on without any concern for his own safety,very little Naas Botha in him.

  • Comment 96, posted at 07.07.16 09:53:12 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 96) : That is very true and pollard the same and look where he is now the situations are very different yes but they both take heavy contact a lot and are young , do you think pollard or lambie will make the 30′s still playing rugby ?

  • Comment 97, posted at 07.07.16 10:02:04 by John Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 93) : You can’t argue it in that way as we don’t know what might have happened to Lambie up until now had he not been injured. Just because he had regular injuries the last 3 years(different ones at that) doesn’t necessarily mean that would be the trend for the next 3 years would it? He might have had 3 excellent game’s against the Irish and put in a match winning performance against the Lions, it’s just as plausible.

  • Comment 98, posted at 07.07.16 10:02:39 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 98) : Some players do really have bad luck , but I think starting at a young age increases the chance of serious injury by quite some margin

  • Comment 99, posted at 07.07.16 10:06:22 by John Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 98) : It is plausible but im just looking at his recent history and in the last 3 years he has missed a majority of the season with upper body injuries. So if you look at that trend the possibility is a lot higher than having an injury free run the rest of the year. Both situations are possible…well they were possible i guess

  • Comment 100, posted at 07.07.16 10:12:04 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 96) : Naas was one of the countries top defenders in his time, irrespective of his age 22/ 42, he never attempted to miss one tackle and was never registered on any stats site to have missed one, so no he is in a different league than any other FH that ever played, as all the other guys missed some, somewhere somehow :mrgreen: :twisted:

  • Comment 101, posted at 07.07.16 10:29:34 by Henkb Reply
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  • @Henkb (Comment 101) : Never attempted one,or never attempted to miss one??? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 102, posted at 07.07.16 10:53:59 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 102) : either which way, both statements are 100% correct

  • Comment 103, posted at 07.07.16 10:56:09 by Henkb Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 69) : Ja I’d pay to see a big man with a boot outside lambie and a good 13 to round things off. Add combrinck on wing and you have all kinds of options for attack. I think Pollard has been typecast by HM though so he won’t see any other role. Playing Centre will to wonders for his running game and give him a different perspective on attack which will aid him as a 10.

  • Comment 104, posted at 07.07.16 17:37:48 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 104) : Do you not perhaps feel that guys like Pollard and Rob DuPreez who are slightly bigger built and like taking the ball hard and flat are perhaps not better suited to a 12 play making role and guys like a Jantjies, Lambie, April better suited to 10 where they prefer to be distributing/chip kicking and managing affairs.

  • Comment 105, posted at 08.07.16 08:05:10 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 105) : I think that is exactly what he meant?

  • Comment 106, posted at 08.07.16 08:57:37 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 106) : Yeh i think so in regards to the specific case…i was just trying to generalise it to see if it applies throughout if that makes sense?

  • Comment 107, posted at 08.07.16 09:03:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 106) : Yup. Definitely. Count Frans Steyn in that number too.

  • Comment 108, posted at 08.07.16 09:57:03 by coolfusion Reply

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