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The madness continues


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 14 Jul 2016 at 10:00
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Allow me a little rant, if you will? I’m not sure if you’ve seen this article, but in case you haven’t, have a quick read before continuing.

I’ve been hearing mutterings for a week or so about knock-out phase eligibility and concerns that Pat Lambie might fall foul of the four-game rule, but I’d honestly dismissed that speculation as ill-informed at best, if not downright disingenuous. Pat Lambie has been a contracted senior Sharks player for seven seasons, after all and is our established captain. There is simply no way that any sensible rule on the planet could rule him ineligible to play a quarter final.

The point I missed, of course, is that the body we’re dealing with has no interest in making sensible rules or rulings. This nonsense is just another in the long line of unforgivable SANZAAR blunders and quite frankly is tipping the scales, in my mind, from mildly amusing to all-out farce.

Expect the Sharks to stick Pat on the bench this week, just in case, but don’t expect to see him take the field. Gary Gold will feel, rightly, that his hand has been forced, but if we can’t beat the Sunwolves with 22 players, then we’re in a worse place than I thought.

Being without Ruan Botha in a play-off game is potentially more concerning and I’m not sure what the way around that one would be.



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  • This is just bloody stupid from sanzaar.

  • Comment 1, posted at 14.07.16 10:02:57 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • I cannot see how the 4 game rule can apply to Lambie, he was in the Sharks squad from the start of the season and was out due to injury.

    Edit: Maybe I should have read up first. Apparently this was because Lambie was listed as an injured player at the start of the season and therefore not available to play. He only played 3 games after returning from that injury.

    Wouldn’t he have to take the field for it to count as a match?. Last 30 seconds far away from the action

    I see that the Chiefs are trying to exempt Liam Messam from the 4 game rule as he came into the Chiefs side (from the NZ Sevens) as an injury replacement

  • Comment 2, posted at 14.07.16 10:05:30 by Baylion Reply

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  • Sanzaar ruling on Lambie and even Botha makes no sense. They were contracted as on 1 January. Rhyno Smith i do get but the other two is just someone wanting to show they have power. As you say Rob he will sit bench and not take the field…well done Sanzaar thats a great advert for rugby.

  • Comment 3, posted at 14.07.16 10:09:22 by SheldonK Reply

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  • SAAAAAAAANZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR!

  • Comment 4, posted at 14.07.16 10:27:44 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Sanzaar is an absolute shambles. What utter BS is this? So now, GG is forced to “risk” Lambie on the bench, even if he doesn’t play at all, just so he can qualify for the playoffs. This makes about as much sense as their ridiculous points/conference system.

  • Comment 5, posted at 14.07.16 10:29:48 by Another Nick Reply

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  • Marinos and co.!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 6, posted at 14.07.16 10:31:10 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 3) : Is it enough just to be named on the bench without taking to the field. Better clarify that one before it is used against us somewhere along the line.

    I have just realisedd that Duitser Bosman would fit into the SANZAAR set up seamlessly.

  • Comment 7, posted at 14.07.16 10:33:51 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 7) : Yeh apparently he just needs to be part of the match day squad.

  • Comment 8, posted at 14.07.16 10:36:37 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Blame the Stormers. SANZAR changed the rules after the Stormers pulled in loan players in 2011 because of a loophole that existed at the time

  • Comment 9, posted at 14.07.16 10:44:07 by Baylion Reply

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  • IDIOTIC!!!!!

  • Comment 10, posted at 14.07.16 11:57:02 by JD Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 9) : Was that the Schalk Britz loan deal or was that a different year?

  • Comment 11, posted at 14.07.16 12:03:57 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Baylion (Comment 9) : I remember that, but SANZAAR need to be really thick if they cant distingussh between a team bolstering their resources during the competition to one that has had players on their books for the entire competition and have been injured. Really, really thick.

  • Comment 12, posted at 14.07.16 12:31:16 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 12) : Think you asked and answered your question :)

  • Comment 13, posted at 14.07.16 12:49:08 by SheldonK Reply

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  • It is what it is,Bambie then better sit on the bench and yes im no fan of his BUT knock out rugby is a whole other animal and especially if Sharks play those cheating teams,a calm but engaging leader will be needed and he is the only one

  • Comment 14, posted at 14.07.16 12:54:21 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 14) : Ah me thinks someone is becoming a fan ;)

  • Comment 15, posted at 14.07.16 13:08:22 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I wonder what the ruling is if a team suffers a lot of injuries…can they call up players from within their union or do they also have to have played the 4 games?

  • Comment 16, posted at 14.07.16 13:09:50 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 16) : I’d love the answer to that question.

  • Comment 17, posted at 14.07.16 13:34:38 by Bump Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 16) : Apparently they are allowed to pull in injury replacements, which is why Gavin rich’s statement that Curwin Bosch isn’t eligible is wrong. Bosch came in as an injury replacement

    @vanmartin (Comment 11) : Yes, that caused the change

  • Comment 18, posted at 14.07.16 13:44:10 by Baylion Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 18) : Ah ok so Bosch and a guy like Jean Deysel could play but not Smith because we signed him late. Just doesnt make sense that like Deysel is allowed but not Lambie…like i dont see the difference

  • Comment 19, posted at 14.07.16 13:54:36 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 2) : Will definietly be interesting to see what SANZAR decide with Liam Messam for two reason

    !> he wasnt part of the 2016 squad
    2> we will more than likely have o play them in the semi-finals, unless the Lions come right vs the jags

  • Comment 20, posted at 14.07.16 14:07:56 by Warren Harvey Reply

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  • @Baylion (Comment 18) : Don’t understand how Super Sport allows someone like Gavin on their panel if he doesn’t even do his homework properly, pathetic.

    @SheldonK (Comment 19) : The Sharks should use that as an example if SANZAAR has something to say about Lambie’s eligibility! It’s utter bullshit if you ask me.

  • Comment 21, posted at 14.07.16 14:30:51 by Quintin Reply

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  • Busy watching the craven week free state vs leopards I hope we’re recruiting some of those free staters especially there 12 his a real talent

  • Comment 22, posted at 14.07.16 14:47:40 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 22) : He is a monster, a big guy for his age and showing real talent for the future

  • Comment 23, posted at 14.07.16 14:59:53 by Henkb Reply
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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 22) : Yeh there a couple nice FS players

  • Comment 24, posted at 14.07.16 15:00:09 by SheldonK Reply

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  • And their lock is a great talent Jaco Van Tonder remember that name

  • Comment 25, posted at 14.07.16 15:00:38 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @Henkb (Comment 23) : it’s so sad for the free state that they will probably lose most of those talents to bigger unions

  • Comment 26, posted at 14.07.16 15:01:56 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 25) : Another guy that impressed me earlier today was Lee-Irvan Andres from the value @ 13

  • Comment 27, posted at 14.07.16 15:02:37 by Henkb Reply
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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 26) : I hear that there is even scouts at the week from Toulon, toulouse and Racing

  • Comment 28, posted at 14.07.16 15:03:33 by Henkb Reply
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  • @Henkb (Comment 27) : yess he was good ,you have to ask yourself how we’re not number 1 with all that talent

  • Comment 29, posted at 14.07.16 15:04:53 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @Henkb (Comment 23) : another try from the big 12 ,the kid is probably as big as Andre

  • Comment 30, posted at 14.07.16 15:05:54 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 26) : Ricus Pretorius the 12 from Free state, standing @1.95 tall and weighing 100kg, very agile, the Cheethas though seems a well coached team, the handeling between forwards and backs is something though, currently I feel for the Leopards they getting hammered

  • Comment 31, posted at 14.07.16 15:07:03 by Henkb Reply
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  • @Henkb (Comment 31) : the free state should’ve played province yesterday instead of KZN

  • Comment 32, posted at 14.07.16 15:08:44 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • whats about player wellbeing SANZAAR ? idiots

  • Comment 33, posted at 14.07.16 15:10:31 by revolverocelot Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 32) : I agree, would have been a fare better contest, and not one sided as the two game currently is

  • Comment 34, posted at 14.07.16 15:10:42 by Henkb Reply
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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 32) : @Henkb (Comment 34) : Different sides of the draw though. Could meet on Sat but think it will be WP vs winner of Lions vs Bulls

  • Comment 35, posted at 14.07.16 15:21:33 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 35) : I hope for Kzn sake they don’t play the free state

  • Comment 36, posted at 14.07.16 15:35:27 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 36) : They could very well do so. Either Free State or loser of Lions/Bulls

  • Comment 37, posted at 14.07.16 15:44:22 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Rob I must commend you on some of your head lines. “The madness continues” just finished the book.

  • Comment 38, posted at 14.07.16 16:36:52 by durbsguy Reply

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  • @Henkb (Comment 28) : Montprlliet mate in a big way

  • Comment 39, posted at 14.07.16 16:57:13 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 39) : @benji (Comment 39) : Jakes club here with big cheque book and offers the youngsters cant refuse

  • Comment 40, posted at 14.07.16 17:00:40 by benji Reply
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  • @durbsguy (Comment 38) : haha – glad you liked it :)

  • Comment 41, posted at 14.07.16 17:11:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • Ai…aiaiai…aiaiaiaiaiai!! Do these guys try really hard to be idots? Or does it just come naturally? Duitser must be a shoe in for a top post there…he’ll fit right in! Oh dear…

  • Comment 42, posted at 14.07.16 23:00:27 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Sanzaar are always inflexible about their rules but don’t mind bending for new Zealand. Easily forget about the rules when allowing extra players in a NZ team. SA should quit Sanzaar.

  • Comment 43, posted at 15.07.16 07:01:07 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 43) : no Saru just need to grow a pair and odds up the even but then with looking over shoulders constantly and huge very dark clouds hanging over certain of them how the hell can they ever

  • Comment 44, posted at 15.07.16 08:39:28 by benji Reply
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  • Rob its almost as if you had a sixth sense about events in France today when you wrote that headline

  • Comment 45, posted at 15.07.16 09:05:46 by The hound Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 44) : @coolfusion (Comment 43) : SARU needs a strong leader there who can make difficult decisions. The last few years they have been terrible at negotiating.

  • Comment 46, posted at 15.07.16 09:10:01 by Quintin Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 45) : Saw that on the news, we are living in an absolutely crazy world.

  • Comment 47, posted at 15.07.16 09:11:40 by Quintin Reply

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  • Seems every time the Sharks need to take the field, this mike greenway fellar finds some more bs to smear the Sharks with….this time on the vodacom rugby site….clearly he’s a huge BvZ/Stroolsie groupie :roll:

  • Comment 48, posted at 15.07.16 09:30:33 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 48) : What did he say?

  • Comment 49, posted at 15.07.16 09:33:19 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 49) : Rehashes the same boardroom nonsense and finance issues…then contrast this with how well Stroolsie runs the Lions, and how he hugs his staff every morning when he greets them ( probably has a few naked team building sessions, and biting off of chicken heads too).

    It’s just the timing of these smear pieces that shows the fellar colours – a BvZ fan, not a Sharks supporter.

  • Comment 50, posted at 15.07.16 09:37:48 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 50) : Having seen Strauli during his time at the Sharks there is no way he hugs his staff…not a chance! He is good at what he does but he is very abrupt and demanding.

  • Comment 51, posted at 15.07.16 09:41:51 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 50) : Yea I read that piece this morning.. must say it does leave a rather sour taste in your mouth afterwards. And like you said, the timing was poor.

  • Comment 52, posted at 15.07.16 09:45:04 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 51) : Which is why it’s clear that Greenaway is part of BvZ’s smear campaign, but then claims its the Sharks running a smear campaign against BvZ :roll:

  • Comment 53, posted at 15.07.16 09:45:55 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 51) : Now that the Lions are doing pretty well it is all too easy to paint him with a golden brush and report of all the rainbows that he poops every morning at Ellis.

  • Comment 54, posted at 15.07.16 09:46:59 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 50) : Biting off chicken heads :lol: See what you did there. I think Strauli isn’t bad at doing his job though. Sure he went to the Lions and it coincided with them performing better , not necessarily meaning it was his doing but I do believe he had some positive influence there.

  • Comment 55, posted at 15.07.16 09:54:03 by Quintin Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 50) : Any lies in the article?
    Maybe he is also waiting for those elusive signed off financials, or even just the Saad “reply” to van Zyls open letter.

    Anyway enough of this – I think the answers are clear enough.

  • Comment 56, posted at 15.07.16 10:46:39 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 56) : Read his article, and tell me whether he rehashed any thing other than BvZ’s rumours?…why publish that article today, when nothing new is being said – it’s a smear campaign against the Sharks….probably wishing it trips the Sharks up and they lose tonight.

  • Comment 57, posted at 15.07.16 10:57:54 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 57) : Must be a slow Newsweek when journos are regurgitating each other’s vomit. Cut & paste.

  • Comment 58, posted at 15.07.16 11:01:20 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 57) : Regarding the timing, it’s probably because there are some new Sharks CEO rumours surfacing at the moment.

  • Comment 59, posted at 15.07.16 11:30:55 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 59) : Well, clearly the Titans CEO didn’t want anything to do with the Sharks, he stayed put. Don’t know the reasons behind his decision though, was it because he was happy at the Titans, or that he didn’t want to deal with the current mess we have in management?

  • Comment 60, posted at 15.07.16 11:34:38 by Quintin Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 57) : I remember when Plum got shafted that Greenaway had a lot to write about at the time – he was not happy, so maybe he is gettting a dig in or maybe he is just reminding us all about the financials. The longer the Sharks duck and dive about these the more shady it looks. Sadly..

  • Comment 61, posted at 15.07.16 11:40:03 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 59) : Either way, they should drop the whole “it’s in the best interest of the Sharks fans to know” act…the battle lines were drawn, and Greenaway (and Mercury) decided to publish every bitter claim made by BvZ as the gospel truth – the worst about this latest piece by greenaway is claiming that Strools has created this eutopia over at the lions….with everyone hugging and dancing naked in the rain. :twisted:

    @Quintin (Comment 60) : Titans heaped more money on him…rumours of Teichman as a possible ceo candidate is doing the rounds…he would be a good candidate, has extensive experience in both business and rugby, and is another Sharks man through-and-through.

  • Comment 62, posted at 15.07.16 11:47:12 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 60) : From the way the article was written I got the feeling that the Titans CEO was “persuaded” to stay in Pretoria, from that I gathered that he was interested but that theTitans didnt want to lose him and gave him a good counter offer.

  • Comment 63, posted at 15.07.16 11:48:19 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 62) : Lions players seem to be doing the hugging and dancing thing quiete a bit, kneeling too, so there may be some truth in it.

  • Comment 64, posted at 15.07.16 11:50:17 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 64) : Everybody’s always happy when everything is going their way…but only 3 or 4 years ago, the Lions were in a far worse position than the Sharks have ever been….Sharks are on the mend, and as soon as BvZ accepts that he is in fact irrelevant, the rumour mill will then also quieten down. ;-)

  • Comment 65, posted at 15.07.16 12:07:16 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 62) : Ja I agree. It’s not in my best interest to know. It’s interesting to know, but what am I as a supporter going to do about it? Call for John to quit ( he has already done so) Boycott the sharks (don’t think so). This is just some political agenda fueling someone’s hopeless campaign for vindication and maybe some spite. Trying to get Brian enemies fired. Whatever the case it’s got less to do with rugby.

  • Comment 66, posted at 15.07.16 12:16:15 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 65) : Pointing out where the Lions were a few years ago and where they are now is actually giving credence to the whole Stools thing of doing it right.

    We are on the mend from what, a self inflicted shot in the foot. This is my whole #[email protected]# gripe, the old guard were cleaned out for what….to become better surely, but thats not the case, if it was then nobody would pay van Zyl any heed and I wouldnt be posting this crud.

  • Comment 67, posted at 15.07.16 12:43:56 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 66) : I remember the self-same lions – now being held as the poster boys of South African rugby – revoking their supporter site’s media rights, because they said something KdK didn’t like.

    Nobody’s happy to get fired, but honestly, to have the Sharks media partner regurgitating the same old tired rumour from the same old disgruntled former employee is ridiculous and childish, and it paints a clear picture of under-handed tactics at play.

    The boardroom and media politics irritates me because it detracts from my team delivering the best rugby they can. If the focus is not the betterment of the Sharks team and coaching squad, then it is definitely NOT to the advantage of us Sharks supporters….so BvZ and Greenaway, take a hike. ;-)

  • Comment 68, posted at 15.07.16 12:47:17 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 66) : Damn right its spite, and political, in rugby terms and ugly etc but it wouldnt be there if there were no grounds for it.

  • Comment 69, posted at 15.07.16 12:48:45 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 67) : They started on the right course before strools arrived, we all know that.

    Cleaning out the entire old guard was never going to turn into instant success, the old tired “building” was broken down, and the construction of an entirely new foundation was then initiated – Smit sadly made quite a few glaring mistakes here, and had to restart on a few occasions, with the genuine rebuilding only ever starting when Gold was given the time at the helm post CC 2015……SR 2015 and CC 2015 didn’t really afford Gold with much time to get systems and coaches organised the way he wanted.

    BvZ and co. had taken the Sharks as far as they could, but their system was antiquated and I don’t believe a minor tweak would have been able to fix it.

  • Comment 70, posted at 15.07.16 13:02:05 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 70) : You really believe they have to @#%$ up the union to get it better dont you.

    I found that article and it is actually an article about how Gold is actually doing admirably with all the crap going on around him, with a lot of the BvZ / Strools / Smit saga being rehashed. What I did read there though is that club grants have been suspended which is very worrying and in itself tells a story.

  • Comment 71, posted at 15.07.16 13:20:56 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • I cant believe the attitude of some fans here. So if a bunch of morons take over and destroy what other GREAT men took decades to build, it is un-Sharkly for a journo to complain?? Are you fucking kidding me? You say we are on the mend? You dont set your own house on fire and then get a pat on the back for throwing water on it!!. Plus let me say this, and it has been said before. Some guys here, and one guy specifically is the epitome of hypocrite.

  • Comment 72, posted at 15.07.16 13:25:35 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • This blind hatred of Streauli has turned me into a fan of his.
    Super 10 winner
    Currie cup winner
    World cup winner

    Coached the sharks to a S14 final.
    Took the Lions from relegation to title contenders as CEO
    Ja, for sure, he must be a looser.(sic)

  • Comment 73, posted at 15.07.16 13:32:03 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 72) : @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 73) : Don’t hold back, say what you really mean :roll: :twisted:

  • Comment 74, posted at 15.07.16 13:37:32 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 71) : The part where Gold was mentioned was very short compared to the rubbish/mud-slinging being rehashed.

    The only interesting part for me was that Smit was on a 3 year contract, which he opted not to renew – I was under the impression that he “wanted to spend more time with his family” before his contract ran out.

  • Comment 75, posted at 15.07.16 13:43:35 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 73) : Had 1 season as coach of Border and turned them into a damn good team – Sharks appointed him the following season.
    Last age group coach to win a title with the Shark juniors..

  • Comment 76, posted at 15.07.16 13:50:23 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Can’t believe anyone can have a good thing to say about Kamp Staaldraad,thats like longing for the good old days when Woter Basson used to go to work to make cholera,honestly for me the day that A hole crossed the Drakensburgh was a great day for Natal rugby.

  • Comment 77, posted at 15.07.16 13:52:39 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 77) : As you said, Rob’s headline has turned out to be the most versatile in ages….all manner of madness coming out of the woodwork since this article went to screen.

  • Comment 78, posted at 15.07.16 13:58:44 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 77) : you are a reading man and a GOT fan I presume. George RR Martin has a very good quote about Lions…

  • Comment 79, posted at 15.07.16 14:04:21 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 67) :
    I don’t mourn Straueli leaving, given what I’ve heard of his time at the Sharks first hand, but fully agree with the rest of your comment. I believe the purge was needed – but we’ve screwed up the aftermath until now.

    @The hound (Comment 77) :
    It’s an eerie feeling, but I agree wholeheartedly with you.

  • Comment 80, posted at 15.07.16 14:09:22 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 77) : @Big Fish (Comment 80) :
    “The Madness Continues”

    Fellars, this is getting ridiculous now. :twisted: :lol:

  • Comment 81, posted at 15.07.16 14:11:14 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 81) :
    :lol:

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  • @The hound (Comment 77) : @Big Fish (Comment 80) : Well that flushes the whole “A Middle Eastern peace deal is impossible” argument down the pooper. What a time to be alive!

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