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Sharks name Teichmann CEO


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks on 20 Jul 2016 at 09:09
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Gary Teichmann is the new Sharks CEO.

The 49-year-old former Springbok and Sharks captain, who is respected widely within both rugby and business circles, will take over from John Smit when the latter stands down in October. Unlike Smit, Teichmann appears to have the solid business credentials necessary to succeed in a challenging role where “understanding the game of rugby” is just one of a number of necessary attributes. Since retiring as a professional player at the turn of the century, Teichmann has forged a successful business career as head of pan-African construction conglomerate Teichmann Plants and Civils.

He comes in at a time of turmoil, with financial woes only one of a number of challenges facing the Sharks. There has been a widening chasm between the current administration and the former player corps that engineered the Sharks’ 90s “golden era”, mostly under Teichmann’s leadership. The execution of John Plumtree – one of their number – by Smit, as well as a trend of removing stalwart administrators of that era have rankled and with on-field results patchy at best over the past three seasons, a number of those players have become rather vocal – and very negative – about the team they once played for with such pride.

It’s hoped that Teichmann will be able to reconcile “the old and the new” in Durban and turn the Sharks into one big happy family again. A tough ask indeed, but we’re backing him to succeed.

Welcome home, Gary. Best you bring a bulldozer…



128 Comments

  • First question, when’s he taking office?

    (His appointment is probably one of the worst kept secrets)

  • Comment 1, posted at 20.07.16 09:13:47 by FireTheLooser Reply
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  • On the face of it this is a good appointment as he does seem to have good business sense. Just not sure what kind of murky pond he is jumping into…

  • Comment 2, posted at 20.07.16 09:14:22 by SheldonK Reply
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  • Great well known news!

  • Comment 3, posted at 20.07.16 09:14:41 by BarendL Reply
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  • Cat sponsorship here we come! Great news.

  • Comment 4, posted at 20.07.16 09:16:41 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 1) : Worst than Plum being fired?

  • Comment 5, posted at 20.07.16 09:17:01 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 5) : Ooh, tough one – maybe top 5 ;)

  • Comment 6, posted at 20.07.16 09:18:34 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 1) : Smitty only spending time with his family from October it seems…

  • Comment 7, posted at 20.07.16 09:19:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 7) : There will probably be a handover period, getting Teichman acquainted with all the misgivings in Sharks land.

  • Comment 8, posted at 20.07.16 09:20:39 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 8) : Teichmann wont get caught up in all the drama I can promise you that. When he talks you listen.

  • Comment 9, posted at 20.07.16 09:22:29 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 8) : U mean a handover of all the bills to pay ;) and just before Smitty closes the door on his way out he tells Gary that the Municipality is coming to knock the stadium down….

  • Comment 10, posted at 20.07.16 09:24:51 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 10) : Sounds typical of JS

  • Comment 11, posted at 20.07.16 09:27:37 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Welcome Teich!! Great (old) news.
    First order of business: Let’s start by getting the books sorted.
    Then, team spirit. Oh, and don’t forget to hug everyone everyday when arriving at the office. Extra points for a peck on the cheek. ;-)

  • Comment 12, posted at 20.07.16 09:33:15 by Another Nick Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 1) : @Uli Boelie (Comment 5) : Worst kept secret must be AC being Bok coach.

  • Comment 13, posted at 20.07.16 09:33:18 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 9) : Seems to be the sentiment regarding Teichman – one of my favourites.

    He seems to already have a unifying effect on Sharksworld regulars, so should be a sign of good things ahead.

  • Comment 14, posted at 20.07.16 09:35:31 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 14) : One of my mates run his farm in Nottingham Road. Trust me, Gary doesn’t have time for nonsense.

  • Comment 15, posted at 20.07.16 09:38:34 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • I think we are underestimating how difficult Teich’s is going to be. Players have become more expensive because of the weak Rand and the TV money in England and France. Partly because of this the Sharks perform worse and crowds go down so revenues fall. This means we can pay the players even less. Teich is taking on one heck of a job. I hope we aren’t expecting him to deliver miracles. I also think we are being a bit harsh on JS.

  • Comment 16, posted at 20.07.16 09:40:46 by MikeSebMatt Reply

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  • Excellent news – at least Teich has some actual experience in running a business.

  • Comment 17, posted at 20.07.16 09:48:06 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 1) : Effective November 1

  • Comment 18, posted at 20.07.16 09:48:28 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 15) : Hmmm, any trout dams, river frontage…..how do we get an invite. :twisted:

  • Comment 19, posted at 20.07.16 09:52:22 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 19) : Paparazzi is banned on the farm :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 20, posted at 20.07.16 09:54:06 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @MikeSebMatt (Comment 16) : “Harsh on Smit”…..I actually agree to an extent, especially when I read that his mandate was to be CEO for 3 days of the week and for the other days to do Sharks PRO work. The guys that jimmied him into the position are the ones that should be taking most of the flak, maybe their time will come.

  • Comment 21, posted at 20.07.16 09:59:31 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 20) : I want to fish, will only take photos of 5kg plus brown trout. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 22, posted at 20.07.16 10:02:32 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • I thank the powers to above, that Gary has accepted this job,its a step in the right direction.
    My fear always was that the brave John Smit experiment would fail and we would scuttle back to a Louis Luyt,type of personality who had zero empathy for the players.Teich is about as good as we could hope for,he ticks all the boxes,he appeals to the faithful,the players the sponsors,he is Natal thru and thru,
    a Shark first .We couldn’t have done better.
    Now get rid of that embarrassment Gold and lets get a Sharks coach in place.

  • Comment 23, posted at 20.07.16 10:11:41 by The hound Reply
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  • All I can say is good luck Mr. Teichmann you’re going to need it! Just a pity my dad is not arounf to hear the good news!

  • Comment 24, posted at 20.07.16 10:30:49 by JD Reply
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  • Finally some good news! #BringBackPlum

  • Comment 25, posted at 20.07.16 10:33:08 by Sharkfinn Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 23) : I don’t know whats your problem with Gold, yes he could have done better, but look at all the players we’ve lost, our schedule this year and the management issues we’ve had, throughout all that, he still managed to get us to the play-offs, which at the beginning of the year did not look like it was a very realistic possibility. I agree we need a coach though and not a DoR standing in as coach.

  • Comment 26, posted at 20.07.16 10:36:05 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Sharkfinn (Comment 25) : 5 steps forward, 8 steps back.

  • Comment 27, posted at 20.07.16 10:36:18 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • So Teich will run Teichmann Plant and the Sharks and spend time with his family…

  • Comment 28, posted at 20.07.16 10:37:07 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 26) : I can’t see Teichman making any knee-jerk decisions…most likely scenario, he’ll assess and make the necessary adjustments….especially considering the budgetary constraints, don’t expect any extravagant hiring or firing.

    (don’t think it is required in any case)

  • Comment 29, posted at 20.07.16 10:39:03 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 28) : Yeah I see where you are going with that…

  • Comment 30, posted at 20.07.16 10:39:19 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Sharkfinn (Comment 25) : #bringbackMuir

  • Comment 31, posted at 20.07.16 10:39:48 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 26) : I think you answered your own question,we need a coach and we also need a D.O.R and neither of them is greasy Gold

  • Comment 32, posted at 20.07.16 10:40:00 by The hound Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 19) : @Uli Boelie (Comment 20) : we will not take pictures all we want to do is trout fishing and many advise him on what to do with our beloved Sharks!!!

  • Comment 33, posted at 20.07.16 10:40:59 by JD Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 29) : Gold can stay as DoR, no need to fire him, I just think we need a coach that can focus on coaching, and a DoR that can focus on directing.

  • Comment 34, posted at 20.07.16 10:41:46 by Quintin Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 32) : @Quintin (Comment 34) : Who would you get in as coach and DoR? Based on realistic possibilities though? I think Gold can stay as DoR. Just need a coach.

  • Comment 35, posted at 20.07.16 10:44:01 by Quintin Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 28) : Teichmann was Springbok Captain, ran Teichmann Civil and spent time with his family without a problem.

  • Comment 36, posted at 20.07.16 10:44:10 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 36) : yip

  • Comment 37, posted at 20.07.16 10:48:30 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 35) : Gold is no DoR, if anything we should ask Swys de Bruin te be our DoR.

  • Comment 38, posted at 20.07.16 10:48:32 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 38) : we should drop the position and save the money. Its a luxury we cant afford right now. Coaches can all answer to head Super coach who answers to the boss.

  • Comment 39, posted at 20.07.16 10:52:16 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 34) : I think Rob du Preez will do well as head coach.

    I don’t know whether Gold is cut out for DoR (haven’t a clue what his skill set is with regards to the requirements of a DoR), but I also won’t mind if he stays as DoR….he’s done okay with what he had to work with, next year we’ll be able to judge whether there’s an upward curve or not….heck, what do we say if we make the semi’s after this weekend? :grin:

  • Comment 40, posted at 20.07.16 10:54:16 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • One thing’s for sure:

    Mallet won’t be running to the press with stories of him being approached by Teichman for the head coach gig at the Sharks. :twisted:

  • Comment 41, posted at 20.07.16 10:56:36 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Must say that I am personally quite sorry that the John Smit experiment ,and it was an experiment didn’t work out.
    He was a very brave choice a Sharks captain who had reached the pinnacle on the field,he captained his country to a World Cup win.
    He was one of the most successful captains ever produced by this country.
    On paper it was exciting choice,here was a man who would be put into a position to put the players needs first in the union.
    Something that is not the case in most unions,and was not the case under the BJ regime.
    Maybe the powers who put him in place were naive,but they definitely hung hm out to dry in the end.
    They must have known he lacked the business acumen to do the job when they pointed him,Saad and Rosenberg are very savvy businessmen.
    They must have had a plan in place to compensate for this.
    BJ was never chosen for his business skills,he ran an air conditioning business before took the job,but things were put inlace to counter that.
    To criticise John for his lack business skills,is to criticise those that put him in place.

  • Comment 42, posted at 20.07.16 10:57:29 by The hound Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 38) : missed that opportunity when he extended his Lions contract. How long is GG’s contract still? if more than a year still to run, give him fair shot at DoR, although a DoR is a long term position.

    I know you all are going to label me a heretic but HM would be a very very good DoR in terms of talent identification and structure management. Also a Boks playing style of 2014 would be efficient and fun.. Only person he may bring with him is Swartz (no FdP or Matfield in any coaching role…)

  • Comment 43, posted at 20.07.16 11:00:02 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 41) : Fuck that made me laugh : :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

  • Comment 44, posted at 20.07.16 11:01:01 by The hound Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 41) : hahahahahaha!!!

  • Comment 45, posted at 20.07.16 11:10:48 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 41) : haha :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 46, posted at 20.07.16 11:28:46 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 42) : That still doesn’t give him a reason to have been there, essentially he did not employ himself, but he also did accept the job.

    @Kabouter (Comment 43) : He still has one year left at the Sharks from my understanding. HM is on his way to Japan from what I heard.

  • Comment 47, posted at 20.07.16 11:32:13 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Gary Teichman as CEO, Gary Gold as DOR and Rob DuPreez as Head Coach …id be happy with that.

  • Comment 48, posted at 20.07.16 12:16:39 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 41) : :lol: Damn right.

  • Comment 49, posted at 20.07.16 12:22:30 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 48) : Me too

  • Comment 50, posted at 20.07.16 12:29:31 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 40) : Exactly, giving the circumstances he hasn’t done that bad and he’s getting a lot of criticism about him being in the DoR position all the while also being the head coach.

    @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 39) : It might be a luxury position at this moment, but what should they do after getting a proper coach, just fire him and pretend like he didn’t contribute anything at all?

    There might be better people suited to the position, I just think he’s getting the short en of the stick if you take the situation he was placed in in consideration.

  • Comment 51, posted at 20.07.16 12:36:16 by Quintin Reply

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  • Well done Gary. Wish you everything of the best.

  • Comment 52, posted at 20.07.16 12:44:37 by Kapater Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 39) : @Quintin (Comment 51) : no use paying out another contract with the person doing nothing to get his money, maybe let him work as DOR and then when his contract expire decide if the Sharks need a DOR and CAN THEY AFFORD A DOR!?!?!!

  • Comment 53, posted at 20.07.16 12:46:35 by JD Reply
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  • @John (Comment 53) : so apparently juicing doesnt really help much?

  • Comment 54, posted at 20.07.16 12:47:00 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 51) : Can anyone here tell me one successful D.O.R.,its bullshit position created to cover up for weak coaches,i.e. Rassie Erasmus and Nick Mallett as W.P, D.O.R ‘S,to compensate for Alistar’s inadequacies,neither one of them completed the term and very quietly disappeared from the scene.
    What has Gold done to be even considered for this position,

  • Comment 55, posted at 20.07.16 12:47:25 by The hound Reply
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  • I’ll deal with Hadebe later today. Patience all

  • Comment 56, posted at 20.07.16 12:48:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 55) : he applied for the post when it was advertised!

  • Comment 57, posted at 20.07.16 12:49:07 by JD Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 56) : seems like a very very busy Wednesday for the Sharks and Sharksworld!

  • Comment 58, posted at 20.07.16 12:50:14 by JD Reply
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  • If we were serious about a DOR then the type of person we should be looking at is Hans Schriba or a Swys deBruin

  • Comment 59, posted at 20.07.16 12:50:15 by The hound Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 58) : just the way we like it

  • Comment 60, posted at 20.07.16 12:52:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 60) : ja for sure but my work is suffering a bit as a result of it! ;-)

  • Comment 61, posted at 20.07.16 12:54:00 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 59) : or drop the whole DoR stigma totally and return to the old tried and tested Head Coach role, by that I also mean Gold taking indefinite leave :)

  • Comment 62, posted at 20.07.16 12:55:44 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 56) : You have got 4yrs…take your time…no rush :)

  • Comment 63, posted at 20.07.16 13:00:53 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 53) : I fully agree with that comment

  • Comment 64, posted at 20.07.16 13:01:30 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 61) : You should then become the DOR(delegator of resources) at work, will give you much more time for important things, like the Sharks and sharksworld

  • Comment 65, posted at 20.07.16 13:06:25 by Henkb Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 55) : Yeah, I was referring to him getting a lot of the blame for some of the things that are out of his control.

    Surely we cannot argue that we made the play-offs and he has contributed absolutely NOTHING.
    Before the season most people said the Bulls would go through seeing that they are in the easier of the 2 conferences.

    1. We’ve lost a lot of players either leaving for oversees or by injury
    2. We had the shittiest of schedules of all the SR teams
    3. We were in the more difficult of the 2 conferences and still made the play-offs above the Bulls

    And you ask what he has done? I would say that is not too bad for his “bullshit position”.

  • Comment 66, posted at 20.07.16 13:12:42 by Quintin Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 63) : so sad!!!!!

  • Comment 67, posted at 20.07.16 13:15:00 by JD Reply
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  • @Henkb (Comment 65) : hahaha must ry that!!!

  • Comment 68, posted at 20.07.16 13:16:16 by JD Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 66) : don’t forget about the Jaguars that was also ranked above the Sharks by many people and we were able to beat them.
    Not a wonderful season as the Sharks are a bit iffy BUT REMEMBER the season is not over yet they still have a game against the Hurricanes so they still have a chance!!!

  • Comment 69, posted at 20.07.16 13:19:07 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 53) : Wasn’t saying they should pay out another contract to him to be DoR, but if GT decides he’s not going to appoint a new head coach immediately I think GG can stay on, he’s not done that bad this season.

  • Comment 70, posted at 20.07.16 13:19:41 by Quintin Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 69) : Yeah we haven’t been playing good rugby, but I bet if we didn’t make the playoffs but played ‘better rugby’, everyone would moan about that anyway.

  • Comment 71, posted at 20.07.16 13:22:04 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 70) : If Gold should be fired for not doing well this season then so too should be the coaches of the Bulls, Cheetahs, Kings,Jaguares, Waratahs, Reds, Rebels,Force, Blues, Sunwolves…

  • Comment 72, posted at 20.07.16 13:24:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 70) : @Quintin (Comment 71) : my opinion may not be popular but Gold is not the worst coach so if the Sharks divides to can the DOR post then he can stay on with the help of guys like RdP.
    We have not seen a lot of sparkling rugby from the Sharks but they did manage to end in the top 8 when non of us really believed they could so ja give GG and the rest of the coaching staff some credit for that and like I said it’s not over yet still at least one more game before Super rugby 2016 is done for the Sharks!

  • Comment 73, posted at 20.07.16 13:28:52 by JD Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 72) : Exactly. I’m not saying the guy is our future superstar coach/director. I’m merely saying he has not done all that bad this season like most are saying, especially under our current circumstances.

  • Comment 74, posted at 20.07.16 13:29:22 by Quintin Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 74) : for sure!!!!

  • Comment 75, posted at 20.07.16 13:30:38 by JD Reply
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  • Welcome back to the tank Teich.
    Go Sharkies !!!!!

  • Comment 76, posted at 20.07.16 13:32:56 by Lord Antebellum Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 55) : But what is a DOR. In my view this person should be looking at the well being of all the teams of the union, getting them on the same page etc with the Super squad, being on the top tier, probably demanding the least of the DOR’s time. If this is what Rassie and Mallet did at WP then one could look back and say they were very successful if one takes the performance of all their teams, from school boy level to SuperRugby into consideration.

  • Comment 77, posted at 20.07.16 13:37:05 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 73) : What makes it even better for me if you take the amount of injuries we had to our top players, none of the NZ teams or the Lions had the same amount as what we had at the same time as what we had, Coetzee, Lambie, Botha, Jordaan, Van Der Walt, Willie, Dan Dup, just to name some of them, given this I think the coaching staff actually needs a standing ovation for what we have achieved this season

  • Comment 78, posted at 20.07.16 13:38:12 by Henkb Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 73) : ending top eight doesnt really mean much hey. All seven teams above us are traditional super teams. So in the good old days we wouldve been 4 places away from playoffs and bottom half of log

  • Comment 79, posted at 20.07.16 13:51:30 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 79) : Again, consider the circumstances as well, not just the outcome. Top 8 is surely not where we should aspire to be, but we had some bad luck this season with a host of different things.

  • Comment 80, posted at 20.07.16 13:58:34 by Quintin Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 79) : Sharks ended with same points as the Brumbies.Only 1 win less than the Stormers and they didnt play 1 NZ side. And we finished 20pts higher than the bottom 6.

  • Comment 81, posted at 20.07.16 14:00:41 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 79) : Well said

  • Comment 82, posted at 20.07.16 14:02:48 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • Just read the article on Supersport about the bulls signing 2 players. We are losimg a number of players at the end of the season. But we are not signing anyone. Are they going to want to sign when all the players have alredy been taken?

  • Comment 83, posted at 20.07.16 14:04:37 by AYA11 Reply

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  • @AYA11 (Comment 83) : You need money to make signings…and signed contracts dont mean much these days.

  • Comment 84, posted at 20.07.16 14:05:27 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 81) : putting it nicely into perspective! I can guarantee that the Sharks would have had more points if played in other conference and vice versa for Streamers and Bulls

    so do we want the Sharks to be only a Top 8 team, no but lets also accept that the 5 NZ teams are very very strong and a way ahead of the rest of the competition

  • Comment 85, posted at 20.07.16 14:09:29 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 79) : That surely puts it into perspective,but I am amazed that all the Sharks woes are laid at John ‘s door and any semblance of respectability is immediately due to Gold.

  • Comment 86, posted at 20.07.16 14:11:41 by The hound Reply
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  • @Quintin (Comment 80) : also true

  • Comment 87, posted at 20.07.16 14:16:16 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 86) : Johns Door- financial woes and if any financial/business success. Gary’s Door- improved performance from prior year/expectations and criticism for playing style

  • Comment 88, posted at 20.07.16 14:19:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Kabouter (Comment 85) : Can only play with the cards dealt and as such i dont think it has been a stellar season but it certainly hasnt been a complete failure. And we are 80min from a semi-final

  • Comment 89, posted at 20.07.16 14:20:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 89) : ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) love the optimism

  • Comment 90, posted at 20.07.16 14:39:11 by Kabouter Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 88) : So John doesn’t get the credit for employing the fantastically successful Gold then,who gets that.

  • Comment 91, posted at 20.07.16 14:51:17 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 91) : The appointment is a business decision…and whose door is business…John’s Door.

  • Comment 92, posted at 20.07.16 14:56:14 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 92) : Thanks for a moment there you had me worried so in your book its in John credit column,but in mine its his biggest mistake.

  • Comment 93, posted at 20.07.16 15:03:29 by The hound Reply
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  • @West Indies Cricket Board (Comment 79) : yes but in the good old days the SA rugby players would not have been divided into 6 teams meaning the Sharks would have been stronger.
    We can only compare this Sharks team with this years opponents and we qualified for playoffs something that the Bulls did not do!
    As other said taking into account the injuries, traveling and only playing NZ teams I do think finishing 8 is ok yes it’s not great but Sharks still have a chance of winning Super rugby as they still have at least one more game to play!

  • Comment 94, posted at 20.07.16 15:13:22 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 93) : Well i think the jury still out on which column it goes in but the hiring decision is at Johns door. Think Johns biggest mistake was Jake White to be honest…short term gain for long term pain. Had he gone with a long term view then things could well be different 3 years down the line now…

  • Comment 95, posted at 20.07.16 15:16:13 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 93) : @SheldonK (Comment 92) : yes GG is not the best coach in the world but must get some credit for reaching the playoffs, something most of us believed was almost impossible and if it was offered would have grabbed with both arms at the start of the season!
    As for JS he made mistakes but for the live of me I would not believe that it was intentional! He tried to make the Sharks a better team and business but ultimately it was not to be.
    Also just remember there are lots of very qualified people in the world but ultimately when you need to fill a position in your business or team you can only appoint someone that applied for the job so sometimes you need to accept that although someone is not the best in the world he is the best that’s available and you must just accept it for what it is.

  • Comment 96, posted at 20.07.16 15:26:38 by JD Reply
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  • @Kabouter (Comment 90) : boet it’s all we have!!! GO SHARKS TIME FOR A SHARKNADO!!!!

  • Comment 97, posted at 20.07.16 15:31:23 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 96) : I think the person most surprised that we reached the playoffs was Gold himself,you forget how he started the season off whining like a little girl that the whole world’s stacked against him.
    We produced couple of great performances in New Zealand that tipped the scales our way but also had some shocking games.
    The team never settled the whole year,he never managed any stability,he still hasn’t got a captain,and the team has bumbled from one shambles to the next.
    With the players at his disposal any coach would have expected the last 8,most wouldn’t have been happy with 8th though.
    Sooner he goes the better,

  • Comment 98, posted at 20.07.16 15:35:00 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 98) : yes on all

  • Comment 99, posted at 20.07.16 16:46:13 by West Indies Cricket Board Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 93) : @SheldonK (Comment 95) : John’s biggest mistake was his cavalier attitude towards the finances – paying out millions in early contract terminations….Jake White being his most costly mistake – having to pay millions to the Brumbies, just to terminate Jake early and again having to fork out millions.

    He really needed to look after the finances better.

  • Comment 100, posted at 20.07.16 17:10:41 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 100) : My earlier post that the guys who appointed him knew he was not a financial genius and apointed him for other reasons.Those guys are some of the savviest business men in the country and should have put measures in place to countering financial naivety on his part.They obviously didn’t.

  • Comment 101, posted at 20.07.16 17:45:56 by The hound Reply
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  • All I can say is the greenaways are going have field day with the latest news on finances

  • Comment 102, posted at 20.07.16 19:03:36 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 98) : Yes we had some shocking games(2 Lions games were standouts) but then again, we had a couple of disruptions throughout the season. Lambie being captain, got injured, came back as captain and got injured again, these things happen, even in more professionally evolved sports like soccer. We can’t be negative about every little aspect without taking the surrounding circumstances into the equation and blame it all on one person, that would just be ignorant. You have a blind hatred for Gold, which is clouding your judgement. I’m saying it the last time, the guy did what he could and even bettered it by making the play-offs when everyone doubted us.

  • Comment 103, posted at 20.07.16 19:04:19 by Quintin Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 100) : And the player exodus following Jakes appointment. And the stop gap over the hill players and players who never returned on investment.

  • Comment 104, posted at 20.07.16 19:05:05 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I am a great fan of Teich, he was a legend of Sharks and Bok rugby. That said, the same people kicking dirt at Smitty now also proclaimed him as the saviour, when he was announced as CEO. Good luck with this poisened chalice Teich.

  • Comment 105, posted at 20.07.16 20:31:18 by KingCheetah Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 103) : I don’t hate Gold I just think he is a second rate palooka,he has no status,no pedigree and it pisses me off to see this loser at the helm of the Sharks.
    Every time he opens his mouth I cringe,worst of all he is not one of us and will never be.He is the type of coach whose ambitions are to make the play offs and then relax.
    In his entire career he has achieved nothing,what amazes me is the guys on here who rate him here are the same ones who tear into John,a man who won almost everything and except for a moment of cheating by Brian Habbanna and Steve the aussie thief of a ref,would also have won the Super rugby trophy.
    So if you are happy with the second rate loser Gold good for you, but I definitely am not.

  • Comment 106, posted at 20.07.16 20:31:47 by The hound Reply
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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 105) : You omut the fact that The dirt being kicked is dirt he created. Many people had high hopes for him at the beginning of his tenure as many will have for the new guy. It’s what he does during that time that decides how he will end his tenure. John should have been DOR and sharks could still have benefited from his knowledge of the environment and his experience. CEO is a different animal. Personally I think Teichman should also have rather taken DOR and leave the business end to business men.

  • Comment 107, posted at 20.07.16 20:55:27 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @KingCheetah (Comment 105) : You make a very valid point…

  • Comment 108, posted at 20.07.16 20:59:06 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 107) : To be fair so do you… :)

  • Comment 109, posted at 20.07.16 21:02:28 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 109) : Ya look. I am a great fan of John as a player. But I think he was in the wrong job. I also think people saying that we suck for criticizing John then turn around and moan about Gary should ask themselves who appointed Gary. Who made the decisions that forced the decision to eventually appoint Gary? So did he make bad decisions or not? Besides which, as much as I’m not a fan of Gary he came into a leaking boat and had to try keep it afloat. Maybe John did too but he certainly did not help his own cause.

  • Comment 110, posted at 20.07.16 21:09:31 by coolfusion Reply

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  • When it came to him as a man and captain I was always chuffed with the only captain I ever knew who said “chuffed” all the time in interviews…I hope that he will be a CEO who makes us chuffed…I think I’m quite chuffed right now…
    :)

  • Comment 111, posted at 20.07.16 21:09:41 by pastorshark Reply
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  • Good luck, Gary!

  • Comment 112, posted at 20.07.16 21:10:10 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 107) : Think GT has had more time in business than pro-rugby, so DoR wouldn’t suit his current skillset. Time will tell whether he has what it takes to be CEO of a rugby franchise.

    I agree that Smit should have been put in the DoR position, or even Stroolsie’s old gig as commercial manager.

  • Comment 113, posted at 20.07.16 21:18:20 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • I also hope Teichman is the ceo we were hoping for in John. And I reserve the right to hope that and be happy that he was appointed. I also reserve the right to be disappointed and complain and ask for him to be removed if he doesn’t live up to expectations. We expect this from players and from coaches and we are allowed to expect it from the ceo. Not all great props make great hookers not all great hookers make great props not all great players make great ceo ‘ s. For now he has my full support its up to him to keep proving us right for trusting him.

  • Comment 114, posted at 20.07.16 21:19:19 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 113) : Ja look Tech may well work out. I certainly hope so. I support anyone that can get us back on track. I must also say that Teichman being more mature and being longer removed from the coalface than John may give him a better perspective. It might. But only time and his actions will tell.

  • Comment 115, posted at 20.07.16 21:22:36 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 113) : I think John should have been the coach he coached the Boks right thru deVilliers reign,and was,is a proven leader of men.This D.O.R. shit,is such an English thing,don’t think it exists N.Z or in Aus,.
    Any ways what ever people say about him you cannot take his World Cup and Tri Nations away from him.
    It gauls me when snot noses,and I am not having a go at you,on these pages have such a lot of bullshit to say about a great man,from a position of what, some of these guys have been watching rugby for less than ten years,and they are experts,not only of rugby but business as well.

  • Comment 116, posted at 20.07.16 21:54:28 by The hound Reply
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  • I think many of you are living in cloud cuckoo land. With 20/20 hindsight Smit may well have made a mistake firing Plum. The Venter thing didn’t turn into a long term appointment (although we won the Currie Cup in 2013) and Jake White had a bit of an acrimonious time with players and fans alike. I still don’t think you can say Gary Gold was a mistake. What were our realistic choices? It’s a tough coaching gig when you are losing 5 or 6 start players every year to pastures wealthy. Not many suitably qualified coaches are going to look at the Sharks job as a great career progression. On the business side, what specific mistakes did John make? I think there is a lack of respect shown to a great servant of Sharks rugby. Give John a break and judge both Gary’s with realistic expectations.

  • Comment 117, posted at 21.07.16 06:54:11 by MikeSebMatt Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 116) : I do believe that a need exists to synchronise the rugby being played by a union – from senior rugby through to junior structure, with the ultimate aim to groom your players for senior rugby from within your age-group structures. – to me, that’s the purpose of a DoR….maybe it’s a fancy position for a basic job – but that is an area where Sharks rugby need to graduate into the 21st century, don’t just buy superstar seniors (BvZ era), recruit talented youngsters and groom them for senior rugby from within the age-group teams.

    This seemed to be one thing Smit really tried to accomplish, but ultimately it is an exercise he hasn’t quite completed yet. I suppose we’ll know which workable structures were initiated by Smit when GT either continues with them, or changes them.

    I believe a lot of what Smit started from a structures viewpoint can easily be tweaked into bringing the Sharks great success, he had the right vision it would seem. The UKzn debacle really messed up a lot of Smit’s hard work and vision….personally, I wouldn’t mind if GT scraps that partnership, and re-aligns with Pukke – they at least take their rugby far more serious than UKzn ever have (or ever will).

  • Comment 118, posted at 21.07.16 07:49:17 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 118) : The Sharks aligning with a university outside of kzn is very counter productive to rugby in the province. The Sharks need to get fully behind UKZN or Varsity College. But going outside the province will only be harmful to the local game in kzn.

  • Comment 119, posted at 21.07.16 08:07:17 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @MikeSebMatt (Comment 117) : must say I almost feel exactly like you.
    Some people forget about the reality that you can only appoint/sign someone if they’re willing to sign onthe dotted line.
    It’s almost as if they think the Sharks have an endless line of international quality players and coaches just waiting and hoping for the Sharks to sign them.

  • Comment 120, posted at 21.07.16 08:10:01 by JD Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 118) : @SheldonK (Comment 119) : ja sorry to say but Sharks juniors will struggle untill Sharks get a Varsity cup side to draw some quality youngsters.

  • Comment 121, posted at 21.07.16 08:17:40 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 121) : I fully agree. there needs to be a well established production line…from top school…to varsity/club/academy….u21 contracted…senior contract. Unfortunately in this country we are very quick to glorify players and hence they want to jump from school to senior contract before they have learnt about themselves and the game fully. I even saw Keohane talking rubbish again and suggesting the WP Craven week flyhalf should be playing super rugby…really?

  • Comment 122, posted at 21.07.16 08:27:20 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 122) : Look if someone is good enough for Srugby then he should play finished. Id much rather play someone who is good enough than someone “with potential”.

  • Comment 123, posted at 21.07.16 09:02:26 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 119) : Still nothing wrong with identifying and luring young talent from these varsity teams.

  • Comment 124, posted at 21.07.16 09:05:06 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 123) : How do you judge if someone is good enough for Super rugby? Surely only by training with and against super rugby level players. Cant say someone is ready for Super rugby because he does well against school boys.

  • Comment 125, posted at 21.07.16 09:44:21 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 124) : No nothing wrong with that. But there is something wrong if that option is preferred to developing your own house.

  • Comment 126, posted at 21.07.16 09:45:02 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @MikeSebMatt (Comment 117) : That’s a great comment overall but that last sentence sums up my feelings on the matter perfectly.

  • Comment 127, posted at 21.07.16 11:21:49 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I must confess to not having direct contact (through my old club) with the goings on at Kings Park and why, when it was said that Smit had done so well bringing in sponsors, yet the financials were not produced at the KZNRU AGM and why there was a need to sell a further 9% to Super Sport. There is now no doubt that the appointment of Smit, for whatever reasons at the time, was a poor business decision. As suggested above not only did he make bad appointments, but also arranged some jobs for pals and as for the Potgieter fiasco, that is mind numbing. I wholeheartedly agree that the DoR is a stupid appointment and letting Scriba go was a mistake. I wonder how Hans feels in that vipers nest at SARU? What still concerns me most is the lack of attention to the relationship between schools, clubs and the Union. I have watched the fumblings of the SRSA Regional Development Plan but I believe that little has been done to fully engage all parties in a Development Plan rather than this despised Transformation malarkey. As for the GT appointment, he needs to be very careful as to how he understands the politics at Union/Pty/SuperSport as well as SARU, KZN, eThekwini and SRSA. I wish Gary well and hope that he keeps his own set of counsellors. As for Gold, he has no credentials to be the coach of an ambitious top franchise, neither frankly has du Preez, so please Gary go head-hunting.

  • Comment 128, posted at 22.08.16 12:04:47 by charlieharvey Reply

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