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Rob’s in charge, while Ricardo covers skills


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content, Sharks on 26 Jul 2016 at 16:54
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The Sharks have confirmed their Currie Cup coaching line up, with Robert du Preez taking the reins as head coach for the campaign.

Gary Gold, as Director of Rugby, remains in charge of on-field matters overall, but du Preez will be the man tasked with the day-to-day running of the team for the remainder of the year. Assistant coaches Ryan Strudwick (forwards), Sean Everitt (backs) and Omar Mouneimne (defence) will continue their roles from Super Rugby into Currie Cup.

Additionally, Gold has confirmed the employment of former Sharks player Ricardo Loubscher on a 3-year contract. Loubscher will operate as skills coach across all Sharks teams.



145 Comments

  • Ricardo has hard work ahead of him!

  • Comment 1, posted at 26.07.16 16:59:50 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • Hopefully without Gold’s direct interference, Rob can start turning the ship around

  • Comment 2, posted at 26.07.16 17:02:04 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 2) : fuck sakes, you guys love to make shit up.

    Ok fine, let’s see. I honestly don’t care who gets the credit (or the blame)…. I just want the team to do well.

  • Comment 3, posted at 26.07.16 17:06:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • I truly hope that we can see a good Currie Cup from the Sharks. To be fair to the guys, not the entire Super Rugby season was bad. I think a lot of the bad performances were influenced in some way by the off the field things that happened. Hard to stay motivated while there are talks of financial issues doing the rounds. Now we must just stick with what we have instead of buying overrated players all the time.

  • Comment 4, posted at 26.07.16 17:29:47 by boertjie101 Reply

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  • So I guess we can look forward to some of those awesome backline moves that we saw from the Boks while Ricardo was in charge there.

    I wonder how much cash the Sharks had to splash to buy out Ricardo’s contract with Pretoria Boys High U14 team?

  • Comment 5, posted at 26.07.16 17:43:22 by jonnow Reply

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  • Blackadder is available,take the 40bar and bring him to Durbsn,stop this messing around with amateurs, the current crew were exposed for that this SR season otherwise it will be just more of the same,a heavyweght coach is needed to change the Sharks,no Dor or such rubbish,just a heavyweight with his oen crew

  • Comment 6, posted at 26.07.16 17:54:00 by benji Reply
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  • I’m going to go “glass half full” on this one. There must be something about him for the Boks and the Sharks to employ him. Maybe he has potential and just needs the right environment to shine?

  • Comment 7, posted at 26.07.16 18:03:03 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • Maybe the fact that he had one of the best (if not the best) defensive records for the sharks. I remember a stat that he only missed 7 tackles in a season. Might have even been less.

  • Comment 8, posted at 26.07.16 18:39:40 by byron Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : Kabooooooom! :twisted:

  • Comment 9, posted at 26.07.16 18:43:12 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Did we have a skills coach before Ricardo?

  • Comment 10, posted at 26.07.16 18:44:30 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 10) : We had two – Rob and Everitt

  • Comment 11, posted at 26.07.16 19:29:02 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 11) : Weren’t they attack and backline?

    Either way, we’ve got another coach with international experience on our books….I can’t see the Sharks not benefitting from this.

  • Comment 12, posted at 26.07.16 19:41:28 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Why is Everitt still there? Surely another person should be given a chance. I honestly don’t see what value Everitt brings.

  • Comment 13, posted at 26.07.16 19:47:26 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 13) : He’s the one Sharks coach that I struggle to understand, he’s been around for so long, and his success seems well veiled.

  • Comment 14, posted at 26.07.16 19:50:11 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • What does it actually mean ”Gary Gold, as Director of Rugby, remains in charge of on-field matters overall, but du Preez will be the man tasked with the day-to-day running of the team”
    Gold selects the team and Rob does the training Gold implements the game plan and Rob sees that the team practises it.
    I really hope not surely the Kings or some factory team in Nippon needs Gold.

  • Comment 15, posted at 26.07.16 20:14:04 by The hound Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : forget it Rob you will never please some people!!!!

  • Comment 16, posted at 26.07.16 20:44:52 by JD Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 16) : You have that wrong,Gold will never please some people,well me at least.

  • Comment 17, posted at 26.07.16 21:00:09 by The hound Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 16) : I wonder who’s going to get the credit for signing (allegedly) Jeremy Ward? :)

    That’s Bosch and (allegedly) Ward on our books, clearly the Sharks are falling apart and have zero big name signings.

  • Comment 18, posted at 26.07.16 21:03:23 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 18) : ja boet! Maybe it was Mickey Mouse!

  • Comment 19, posted at 26.07.16 21:45:30 by JD Reply
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  • So Jeremy Ward moving to Sharks….we need a 13

    Will he Curwin play u21 or CC?

  • Comment 20, posted at 27.07.16 07:01:42 by Kabouter Reply

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  • Without Rob having full control we will never know if it’s Golds coaching and plan that breaks down. Also never know if we have proper succession in Rob. As for Retardo Lobster yes he’s done amazing work at the boks for 3 years. ….no wait.

  • Comment 21, posted at 27.07.16 07:46:36 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : @JD (Comment 19) : Exactly what I’ve been saying all along.

    @coolfusion (Comment 21) : I get your point regarding him, but like I said earlier, all the guy has to do is get us doing the basic right, surely he will contribute somewhat to that, if he does I’d be happy.

  • Comment 22, posted at 27.07.16 07:54:31 by Quintin Reply

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  • Yoh Sharks fan love to moan in general. Some of the statements are quite hilarious…spend R40 mil on a coach that has never indicated in the slightest he will come to SA hahahaha. Some saying Gold directly tells the players to play badly hahahaha Ah good thing i havnt had my coffee yet
    PS. Jeremy Ward if true is a good signing…good potential in that kid- seems to have some heart as well.

  • Comment 23, posted at 27.07.16 08:04:56 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @benji (Comment 6) : Do you really think Blackadder would come to SA and coach the Sharks? You take your vitamins this morning? :roll: :lol:

  • Comment 24, posted at 27.07.16 08:11:06 by Quintin Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 12) : Both has an official job description of – skills & attack. Based on how the Sharks struggled in this area (and showed little improvement), I can’t say either did a sterling job.

    In the entire coaching team based on what I saw I would rate the following (and this is not really fair as other factors such as player attitude will have an influence)
    - Mouneimne (A+) The only area in which the Sharks mostly excelled
    - Strudwick (C) Line out started gelling towards the end, scrums were a mess though, ball retention poor
    - Rob / Everitt (E–) Attacking skills did not really show any improvement, ball retention poor
    - Gold (E–) – Game plan only seemed to work when we had Lambie available – otherwise the tactical kicking and kick chase seldom resulted in a positive result for us. Discipline was poor overall (including his own) – too many stupid penalties given away. He backed himself in a corner when he made Beast the captain – there were better players on the field.

    Again keep in mind that I am simply looking at the areas I can attribute to the different coaches

    So the coaching staff and players need to really put in a lot of effort to start improving this franchise. It looked like the Sharks were on an upward curve from the overseas tour, but the games after the break were pretty much atrocious.

  • Comment 25, posted at 27.07.16 08:13:37 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • Look, we can gather around a campfire and sing kumbaya until we are blue in the face. Have we dropped so far that we now accept mediocrity as the norm? I thought we all wanted our team to be dominating, not just revel in mid table for all eternity. Yes we made the playoffs this year with a bad draw. But that does not excuse our dismal showing after the break. And let’s not even talk about that non showing in Wellington.

  • Comment 26, posted at 27.07.16 08:32:18 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @Quintin (Comment 24) : mate I dont know but I do think Sharks need to try get a serious heavyweight,Deans,McKenzie etc,even if just for a year,set and lay platform on how to play SR winning rugby in all aspects,the current crew are at best CC winners and then if and when and to stay a Sharks fan and see the clueless, directionless no game plan approach I need to take more than just vitamins

  • Comment 27, posted at 27.07.16 08:40:07 by benji Reply
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  • Bloody hell people. We’ve got what we wanted, Rob Du preez as head coach. GG serving as director of rugby, the role he was appointed in. I’m pretty sure Rob will have plenty of leeway about player selection and playing style. He’s the head coach after all. And rubbishing Ricardo before he’s even arrived is bloody classless. Is that the way we welcome back a shark and springbok? Do you think they haven’t looked at what he can bring to the coaching setup and just threw a 3 year contract his way? I’ll always support my team, but I’m glad I don’t have to watch the games with some of you.

  • Comment 28, posted at 27.07.16 08:40:07 by Dragnipur Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 25) : Very good post,can only add that to me the head coach’s prime responsibility is to put a unified team on the field.Gold never got close to achieving that,he consistently put 15 individuals on the field.This to me was Ackermann and Swys’s greatest contribution to the Lions.
    Cruden said it best this week,after the Chiefs great win he said this is a young team who all play for each other every week.
    Under Gold this is is so painfully obviously not the case at the Sharks.Willie le Roux never once looked like he had more than the interest in his pay check, about being in the team.He was constantly moaning and blaming the young guys around simon the field.He couldn’t wait to get out.
    Keegan ,JP,Lawazi,absolutely no fucken interest ,just went through the motions.From the time Marcel was injured there was not single senior player prepared to lay it on the line.
    The limited success came from individual performances from a lot of brilliant junior players,junior to the team at least,Ginger,Twins,Lewies,Esterhuizen.
    We need a coach who can build that young individual brilliance into a team.Gold is not that person,he has never ever come close to it,and as I pointed out when he was first appointed if you look at his entire career it has one thing in common bland mediocratity.

  • Comment 29, posted at 27.07.16 08:44:27 by The hound Reply
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  • To me the dream team,Gary Teich CEO,John Mitchell head coach,assisted by Robert du Preez and James Small ,keep the defence ninja,and make Stefan Terreblance DOR.
    Gold to stadium maintenance

  • Comment 30, posted at 27.07.16 08:55:29 by The hound Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 25) : On our scrum – it was actually a bit of an enigma from the beginning of the season. I was at the Stormers game and we out scrummed them and had the better of them in the line outs and they were basically fielding a Bok scrum. In many games our scrum would alternate from getting decimated to becoming the dominant scrum. No consistency but clearly lots of potential to become really good.

  • Comment 31, posted at 27.07.16 09:01:44 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 31) : The scrum in the 2nd half after the subs came on did give the Canes a lot of trouble. So perhaps its a case of selecting bad combos more than bad scrum coaching.

  • Comment 32, posted at 27.07.16 09:08:22 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 31) : I likely based my overall opinion on the Sharks scrum on the games after the break.

    @SheldonK (Comment 32) : That is very true. So perhaps the scrum issues need to be laid at Gary’s door to some extent.

  • Comment 33, posted at 27.07.16 09:12:22 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 30) : yes

  • Comment 34, posted at 27.07.16 09:18:37 by benji Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 26) : no mate its far far worse than that, they all want ti be kings of the CC,every third year or so,now that all other teams use the CC as build up to SR

  • Comment 35, posted at 27.07.16 09:23:34 by benji Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 33) : Gary being overall responsible for selection yes. But i very very much doubt selection is done via a dictatorship. Would be a team discussion with all of Strudwick, DuPreez, Everitt etc. Well unless you subscribe to the Gary selects to spite all the others theory.

  • Comment 36, posted at 27.07.16 09:26:22 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 26) : that Wellington game put harsh reality in front of all,a CC team at best played a powerhouse SR team,the result was no surprise except to all the smoke blowers here

  • Comment 37, posted at 27.07.16 09:27:26 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 37) : The Sharks didnt play well in Wellington that much is obvious. So how would you then rate the reality of us putting that same team to the sword in Durban?

  • Comment 38, posted at 27.07.16 09:28:57 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 30) : I would like to know from you, based on what would you like to see Stefan Terreblance as DOR?

  • Comment 39, posted at 27.07.16 09:35:28 by Uli Boelie Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 30) : That’s a nice looking backroom staff. However Stefan Terreblance as DOR? What makes you think he is suitable for that position. I always think of a DOR as someone who has been around for a while and is good at setting up systems etc within a union.

    On another note what is Mark Andrews doing these days. Always got the feeling he’d be a good coach in some capacity.

  • Comment 40, posted at 27.07.16 09:36:23 by Hulk Reply

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  • @Uli Boelie (Comment 39) : Why not,

  • Comment 41, posted at 27.07.16 09:50:15 by The hound Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 25) : I guess the upward curve could be attributed to team spirit being built on a long and difficult tour, and during the break, everyone seemingly went in their own direction and lost whatever they built during the tour.

    Probably one of the biggest reasons that I’m against the SR/Jpn contracts, players “bond” during pre-season, and then the Japan guys intrude on the synergy developed during pre-season.

  • Comment 42, posted at 27.07.16 09:58:57 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @Dragnipur (Comment 28) : Agree 100%

  • Comment 43, posted at 27.07.16 10:00:23 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 30) : :lol: :lol: Can’t help but laugh at that last sentence :mrgreen:

  • Comment 44, posted at 27.07.16 10:01:20 by Quintin Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 23) : I doubt the sharks have 40 million in total haha. If we had 40 mil to throw around we would not be getting a new ceo right now but giving Jon a bonus. And what coach is costing that much? Does he come with 2 SR trophies for free?

  • Comment 45, posted at 27.07.16 10:04:51 by coolfusion Reply

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  • I don’t know much about Ricardo’s ability as a skills coach, so I will take a ‘wait and see’ approach, but given the huge gulf in skills between the Kiwi teams and the rest of the SA teams (barring the Lions) it would of been opportune to get a skills coach in from NZ.

    Nothing wrong with saying, ‘Hey, we need help here, come and teach us thing or two’, we wont always have the necessary skills set within our own setups in SA necessarily.

  • Comment 46, posted at 27.07.16 10:12:39 by stevovo Reply
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  • @coolfusion (Comment 45) : I think its more likely the Sharks have R40. For R40 million nevermind a coach just pay the ref and opposition.

  • Comment 47, posted at 27.07.16 10:20:26 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 45) : mate all I was trying to say is Sharks have money now so go fix the problem and stop this messing about

  • Comment 48, posted at 27.07.16 10:28:31 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 48) : I know you have probably not followed much this super rugby season due to Gold coaching and the Sharks not winning by 50 but in case you missed it the Sharks are very far from having cash to splash…very far. They cant even pay club grants.

  • Comment 49, posted at 27.07.16 10:34:30 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @stevovo (Comment 46) : Alternative may be to send Ricardo straight to NZ on day one of his employment for some intensive training courses.

  • Comment 50, posted at 27.07.16 10:40:44 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 49) : Eish mate that I didnt know,so the 40bar was a lifeline to avoid potential business rescue or far worse,einar, so this has the possibility of not ending well

  • Comment 51, posted at 27.07.16 10:44:04 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 51) : It was basically a buffer to make it through the various Currie Cups until next year. So definitely not a case for being flash with case but we not near Kings situation yet. Not paying the club grants is a big problem in my view though as thats the lifeblood of kzn rugby and those guys rely on that money. I do think the Sharks have too many contracted guys on their books that are not generating a return for money spent so should be sent back to clubs or elsewhere.

  • Comment 52, posted at 27.07.16 10:59:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Dragnipur (Comment 28) : You’re absolutely right and I’m guilty of joking about Ricardo in another thread before he’s even arrived. Good comment.

  • Comment 53, posted at 27.07.16 11:13:13 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 48) : They will only break even in 2 years I saw in one of Rob’s posts. That probably based on current rate of expenditure. We all know players are becoming more expensive to procure and maintain (medicals). So that time frame may even shift. So I doubt they have money. I think for me the lack of cash explains why they don’t fight too hard to counter offer and retain players. Jackpot and others who have not proven essential or shown proven return on investment.

  • Comment 54, posted at 27.07.16 12:10:02 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Dragnipur (Comment 28) : Thanks. Let’s back Rob and welcome Ricardo. Surely can’t be worse than Everitt and that for me is already a plus.

  • Comment 55, posted at 27.07.16 12:25:48 by GreatSharksays Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 53) : Yes but whats even more tragic is we are talking about a guy that was supposed to have been the Springbok backline coach for the past couple of years,and we now want to send him on a coaching crash course before we let him near our backline.Can you imagine this happening in New Zealand,and we wonder why we are falling so far behind.

  • Comment 56, posted at 27.07.16 12:38:21 by The hound Reply
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  • Its like sending Ian Foster or Wayne Smith on a coaching course before they can join the Hurricanes,laughable.

  • Comment 57, posted at 27.07.16 12:49:10 by The hound Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 53) : Shame on you :twisted:

  • Comment 58, posted at 27.07.16 13:08:18 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 57) : First choice for me would also be a Kiwi skills coach, but since Ricardo is what we have to work with – it makes sense to me to make sure the guy is really up to the level. Does not sound like the Sharks really have the cash to go shopping for world class coaching.

  • Comment 59, posted at 27.07.16 13:22:53 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • we have to stop worrying about the coaches and start putting pressure on the players. Have NZ had the best coaches in the world since 1996, are you telling me every single one of those coaches were the best in the world. England from 2001-2003 were the best team in the World, was it because Clive was the best coach in the world?? To me, the undeniable answer is no, it is who you have at your disposal at a certain space in time. The Sharks currently lack talent, we have a midfield who can’t pass – remember, Esterhuizen was being looked at as a flank not so long ago, why, because he does not have distribution skills. Paul Jordaan can tackle all day and every now and again runs a good line off Wille, can he create anything by himself, NO! Willie has become a soccer player, he kicks everything that comes his way. JP Pietersen, enough said – what has he created. Mvovo, do me a favour, would not make any NZ side, his positional play and general skill and reading of the game is shocking. And then our half back pairing, ask yourself this, what SA side would they make?

    As I have been stating – our future lies with the current batch of u21 players, they have the skill to match the talent and heart – things will come right soon, 2 years or so, but not because of the coach, because a great batch of players are coming through.

    the coach can only do so much

  • Comment 60, posted at 27.07.16 13:44:03 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 60) : Its exaggerating it a bit but the saying: “You cant shine sh*t ” comes to mind.

  • Comment 61, posted at 27.07.16 13:52:10 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Just read a very funny piece about WP buying and handing themselves a trophy as winners of the Currie Cup Qualifier competition – (the funny CC competition that just ended). Seems some people place a lot of emphasis on winning a trophy (even where there is not meant to be one) while others couldnt give too much of a hoot, like the Lions with their conference title.

  • Comment 62, posted at 27.07.16 14:00:39 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 62) : haha yeh i heard John Dobson say it was even a soccer trophy because they couldnt find a rugby one hahahha

  • Comment 63, posted at 27.07.16 14:01:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Robert did well at the Pukke and with Collegians or rovers a few years ago he will do well. There is a junior coach at Michaelhouse – Ryno Combrinck. Please get him involved he really did well over the past few seasons. Sharks urgently have to find a proper 9, 10, 15 and 2. The number 8 is quality as is the Du Preez twins. Stephan is good but his line out calls are poor. 90% of the balls go to him Alla Matfield. That is predictable. Please have a look at the following players: Kankovski the young hooker at UKZN, Joubert the old Glenwood number 15 but at wing, Nkosi the IMPI wing, please recruit Hall the Kings number 9 and who ever decided not to contract him must be fired, invest in a game plan where u manipulate the game to the left hand side of the field and from scrums play wide as opposition 9 is out of play and the man-over situation is always there and if possible recruit a Rugby league attack coach. Toulouse have a motto that u only kick if that is the last option rather make the opposition attack defend than you and I want to agree on that. Rugby will change in the next few years and teams will start holding on to possession. Good luck to Ricardo he is a good man.

  • Comment 64, posted at 27.07.16 14:05:47 by the rugby coach Reply

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  • @the rugby coach (Comment 64) : just one question, this one way of attacking rugby, what has that brought Toulouse since 2012? not a whole lot as that was the last time they won any silver ware, a balanced game plan is according to me a better option, and to let the guys play with instinct and what is in front of them, and how to use turn over ball

  • Comment 65, posted at 27.07.16 14:48:37 by Henkb Reply
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  • @Henkb (Comment 65) : Ja for sure, you can’t just run everything, the All Blacks kick a lot, but intelligent kicking, they seem to find more space, perhaps their flyhalves take a bit more time before receiving the ball to see where they can find space on the field to kick into

  • Comment 66, posted at 27.07.16 14:54:18 by Vonno13 Reply
     
  • @Vonno13 (Comment 66) : Ive noticed the NZ teams do kick often (Highlanders especially) but all their kicks whether chip kicks, grubbers or long kicks are done with the purpose of landing on the grass in some space rather than in an opposition players hands. The time taken to then field the kick allows the NZ teams to put on massive pressure. The turn overs they get are then always shifted wide as quick as possible to their big wingers. I feel in general SA sides kick the ball too long which negates the effectiveness of a good quick chase.

  • Comment 67, posted at 27.07.16 14:59:15 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 56) : When you say “we now want to send him on a coaching crash course” are you referring to the Sharks union or the sentiments of some people on Sharksworld? If it’s the second group then it’s a non-issue.

  • Comment 68, posted at 27.07.16 14:59:38 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Vonno13 (Comment 66) : 100% true, even if you just want to compare french team with one another, Montpelier / Toulon / Racing which has done actually good this past season, they play a balanced game, and they killed the opposition with turn over, one of my big concerns at the Sharks is that we kick away 90% of turn over, we should rather 1st try and attack from there, if it is not happening, the intelligent kick into space for the corners will do wonders, the Canes / Chiefs / Crusader / Highlanders kick a lot, but where the kick ends up and the commitment in the chase to turn it into a good kick is the key for them

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  • You guys are correct I am not saying run all the time as defense will just re-adjust to that but i do not agree with the current sharks game plan. i said on another article that the Sharks must look at the Boland coach.In 2012/2013 he coached the Madibas side they were beaten by Maties in the semi final in Stellenbosch by a few points and because of the wind they held on to the ball for basically one whole half and nearly managed to beat the more fancied Maties. This year Toulouse has finished 5th and managed to win 16 out of 25 matches. They are currently on a rebuilding phase after they dominated European rugby from 2010 to 2012. The Sharks have to start playing our own unique brand of rugby. I discussed my philosophy with Brendon Venter en apparently the humidity in Durban make it difficult to play with the ball from February to April. The Lions who has a Sharks born and bread coach in Swys De Bruin can also play expansive rugby. We are currently playing a pre-coached, pre-planned structure with no plan B.

  • Comment 70, posted at 27.07.16 15:28:12 by the rugby coach Reply

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  • @vanmartin (Comment 68) : Just responding to some of the kak I have been reading herald to Laurie Mains’s interview.

  • Comment 71, posted at 27.07.16 15:54:31 by The hound Reply
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  • @the rugby coach (Comment 70) : The Durban humidity seems to have become a catch-all excuse for poor handling of late, hasn’t it? It’s obviously a factor, just like Highveld air is a factor but good teams have to adapt and find a way around such things.

    @The hound (Comment 71) : Haven’t seen the piece myself but if you feel it may be a valid concern then that’s fair enough. I don’t know enough about Ricardo to have an opinion on it yet one way or the other.

  • Comment 72, posted at 27.07.16 16:11:25 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 72) : Its on NEWS 24 and probably be taboo on these pages but Mains was always some one I admired and his opinion is worth considering,especially when you put it into context with Coetzee sending Stick for extra coaching after he is already confirmed as the Bok coach.Sort of makes mockery of the position,but then you remember Coetzee’s finest hour as Bok backline coach in Jake White’s team,when Eddie Jones’s brought in to do the job for him.

  • Comment 73, posted at 27.07.16 16:30:59 by The hound Reply
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  • Different coaches for CC and SR is a bad idea.

    You already have a situation that the best players in your SR team do not play CC. With different coaches, you’re basically starting a team from scratch every February.

    On top of that if the CC coach does really well, there will be a clamor from the fans to make him SR coach and if the CC season goes bad, there will be likewise pressure for the SR coach to step in mid-season. Situations where the CC coach and the DOR undermine each other’s positions may easily arise, because to some extend, their interests are opposed.

    This situation happened twice already at WP, between Mallett and v d Merve and Erasmus and Coetzee.
    Similarly, at the Bulls for a number of years, the CC coach never made it to a 2nd season and was often demoted midway through.

  • Comment 74, posted at 27.07.16 17:42:50 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 73) : My suggestion for some courses in NZ would be for any SA based skills coach – not just for Ricardo specifically.

  • Comment 75, posted at 27.07.16 20:45:44 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 75) : We had a guy who was the youngest All Blacks coach in history,ex All Blacks captain,sitting twiddling his thumbs in Durban and we ignored him and went for a failed Japanese league mediocre coach.

  • Comment 76, posted at 27.07.16 23:00:01 by The hound Reply
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  • @Bokhoring (Comment 75) :

    The Lions sent Ludeke to NZ on a course. Then they fired him. Then the Bulls hired him and he won them 2 SR titles

  • Comment 77, posted at 28.07.16 00:18:13 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 76) : In the backwaters of Durban mate,all that rugby brain but hey we the mighty and feared Sharks

  • Comment 78, posted at 28.07.16 08:08:07 by benji Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 76) : And how badly was he exposed this last game,amateure

  • Comment 79, posted at 28.07.16 08:12:10 by benji Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 77) : Some, no many, would say that he won those 2 titles with all the good that Heyneke Meyer did with that team.

  • Comment 80, posted at 28.07.16 09:14:24 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 80) : Green with envy comes to mind for those,he still had to go out and win those two,not easy

  • Comment 81, posted at 28.07.16 09:19:49 by benji Reply
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  • @benji (Comment 81) : Not easy at all. Would you want him to come and coach the Sharks?

  • Comment 82, posted at 28.07.16 10:15:50 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 82) : One of them was easy all it took was a cheating Bok wing and a blind alcoholic fake Aussie, failed New zealand ref

  • Comment 83, posted at 28.07.16 10:21:24 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 83) : My sentiments exactly, except that that was Meyers win and not Ludekes. Dont forget the crazy that climbed the poles. :twisted:

  • Comment 84, posted at 28.07.16 10:32:13 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 84) : How could I ever forget that, was right in front of my eyes ,biggest disappointment of my rugby watching life,I learnt first hand what it must feel like to be an England Football Fan,

  • Comment 85, posted at 28.07.16 10:51:50 by The hound Reply
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  • I find it rather deliciously amusing that Todd Blackadder – the supposed saviour of all things rugby – has now been appointed to a role that already appeared on Gary Gold’s CV some years back :)

  • Comment 86, posted at 28.07.16 11:15:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • ;-) ;-) @robdylan (Comment 86) : What is Toddy selling used cars now.??

  • Comment 87, posted at 28.07.16 11:39:23 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 87) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 88, posted at 28.07.16 11:43:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 86) : yes but if GG was any good he would still be there and not booted out

  • Comment 89, posted at 28.07.16 11:48:38 by benji Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 86) : Can also be said that Blackadder was a bit of a failure at the Crusaders…

  • Comment 90, posted at 28.07.16 11:48:47 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 82) : intetesting question that,the style would have to change but for me perhaps the most important aspect would be a winning mentality,play for full 80 min and play like a rugby machine all parts working together,so yes as I think these aspects are sorely needed at the Sharks right now

  • Comment 91, posted at 28.07.16 11:53:07 by benji Reply
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  • Interesting thought here…which coaches have been consistently successful with more than 1 team? Only people i can think of are Jake White and Eddie Jones so open to enlightenment…and does the short list of names give credit to the fact that even good coaches need a good environment and players to be a success..

  • Comment 92, posted at 28.07.16 11:59:30 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 92) : Just remember,the one team Jake White had success with,he had Jones to help him. Jones was the brain behind our backline

  • Comment 93, posted at 28.07.16 13:08:11 by HeinF Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 93) : Indeed i do remember….in many interviews ive heard from the players they said Jones didnt change a lot tactically but the biggest influence was that he got them to get their heads up and look for space not just look at the opposition coming at them.

  • Comment 94, posted at 28.07.16 13:11:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • You guys are brilliant at making up fantasies.

    That team, that Eddie Jones coached beat England twice and Argentina once

    That’s it.

    No other team of note.

    What exactly is so special about that?

  • Comment 95, posted at 28.07.16 13:48:42 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 95) : Would you say Jones has coached another successful side other than the current England side (won 6 Nations and Aus Series). (Success i guess is a relative term but still)

  • Comment 96, posted at 28.07.16 13:51:41 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @The hound (Comment 83) :

    How did Habana cheat? By scoring a try?

    The referee certainly made a mistake. Personally I think he (and the linesman) must have been struck with blindness. Perhaps the guy who climb the poles had something to do with why.

    You are privileged. You witnessed a miracle but don’t even know it.

  • Comment 97, posted at 28.07.16 13:54:31 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 96) :

    Jones may be a very good coach based on other evidence bu not from the 07 Boks at the WC. They won because of circumstances outside of their control.

    Nothing more.

    Just like the Bulls in 07.

  • Comment 98, posted at 28.07.16 14:00:07 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 98) : Look you can only play whats in front of you, but thats another issue. What im looking for are the number of coaches that have been somewhat consistently successful with more than 1 team. A lot of people think a coach can be a success anywhere if he is good…im just looking for evidence of that, find it an interesting question

  • Comment 99, posted at 28.07.16 14:02:39 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 95) : This http://www.sarugbytravel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/2007-rwc-history-6.jpg

  • Comment 100, posted at 28.07.16 14:06:26 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 99) : @fyndraai (Comment 98) : @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 100) : https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/nov/19/eddie-jones-cv-australia-japan-brumbies-england.

  • Comment 101, posted at 28.07.16 14:16:08 by 50shadesofshark2 Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 95) : Its called a World Cup,and we beat the team that finished second twice as well as the team that finished third.Shit whose fault was it that Aus and NZ choked ,certainly not Eddie Jones or Jake White.

  • Comment 102, posted at 28.07.16 14:17:11 by The hound Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark2 (Comment 101) : Yeh Jones and probably Jake White are only 2 i can think of that have had consistent success at multiple teams…

  • Comment 103, posted at 28.07.16 14:19:13 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 103) : some other names, although not all of them in the criteria that you searching for but there is some spectacular names on the list though

    http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/25-greatest-rugby-coaches-game-9418723

  • Comment 104, posted at 28.07.16 14:26:15 by Henkb Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 103) : I can’t think of one coach who has won a cc with 2 different teams.

  • Comment 105, posted at 28.07.16 14:30:11 by 50shadesofshark2 Reply

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  • @Henkb (Comment 104) : Definitely some good coaches. Very few still actually coaching. And then also a lot with big success with 1 side and limited success with another. Its kind of starting to give more credit to my theory that the environment plays a major part and that just throwing a good coach in wont make a team a success.

  • Comment 106, posted at 28.07.16 14:32:26 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Henkb (Comment 104) : carwyn james.never coached wales but coached the lions to 2 series wins (’71 nz & ’74 sa -31 played,30 wins,1draw,0 losses).

  • Comment 107, posted at 28.07.16 14:33:02 by 50shadesofshark2 Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark2 (Comment 105) : What about a RWC with 2 teams? A 6 Nations with 2 teams? A Super rugby comp with 2 teams? Heineken Cup with 2 teams? 7s title with 2 teams? ITM Cup with 2 teams?

  • Comment 108, posted at 28.07.16 14:35:41 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark2 (Comment 107) : interesting, so just show you, you can’t actually believe everything you read other than on SW :mrgreen:

  • Comment 109, posted at 28.07.16 14:35:50 by Henkb Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark2 (Comment 107) : Id count that as an example of a great coach then

  • Comment 110, posted at 28.07.16 14:36:34 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Salmonoid the Subtle (Comment 100) : @The hound (Comment 102) :

    That the Boks won the WC is not in dispute. What is, is whether it was due to some magic by Eddie Jones.

    There is no reason to believe that the team needed Eddie Jones’ help to beat England and Argentina. They did it several times without him.

  • Comment 111, posted at 28.07.16 14:44:59 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 110) : if we don’t look at just international coaches….

    but then this is league not union

    1. JACK GIBSON

    The original “super coach”, Gibson was a five time premiership winner and as innovative as anybody before or since. In his debut coaching season in 1967 he took the Roosters from winless wooden spooners to semi-finalists (arguably the greatest turnaround in Australian rugby league history). When he went to St George for two seasons he took them to the 1971 grand final. In one season at Newtown he won the pre-season comp and took his side to the finals. Returning to the Roosters the following year he took them to back-to-back premierships. Although he had two fruitless seasons at Souths he took the helm at Parramatta in 1981 and guided the Eels – who had not previously won a premiership – to three successive titles.

    Gibson had outstanding players to work with in his premiership sides (e.g Ron Coote, Arthur Beetson at Easts and Peter Sterling, Brett Kenny and Mick Cronin at Parramatta), but was a pioneer.

    He is credited with being the first coach to use computers in evaluating player performance and in using video as a coaching device, with making the bomb a potent attacking weapon (through kicker John Peard) and even introduced the use of mascara under the eyes to reduce glare for night games. He is also thought to be the first league coach to have his teams train alongside footballers from other codes.

  • Comment 112, posted at 28.07.16 14:45:24 by Henkb Reply
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  • @Henkb (Comment 112) : Yes its league so perhaps doesnt count as much but yeh thats kinda what i was getting at. So the 2 questons peaking my interest is 1. How many coaches are currently out there that have coached 2 successful teams? And then 2. Of those coaches, how many have also coached teams that have failed? What im looking for is whether the coach is the main factor or does the environment and players play a big part?

  • Comment 113, posted at 28.07.16 14:48:29 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 113) : I think the 2nd part to you question is actually more on the correct answer, think it is more than just the coach, the players, environment ext. plays a big part in what the team and coach can achieve,

    if you just check on the link to Eddie Jones CV, he was sacked after his 1st season at the Reds, but he was successful at other clubs also

    If my mind is still okay, you can look at Jon Kerwin also, had good stints at some clubs but failed elsewhere also, so this is a major factor, don’t think the best coach in the world will stay that way if the factors are not correctly aligned all over for him and the sqaud

  • Comment 114, posted at 28.07.16 14:54:25 by Henkb Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 110) : the p31-won30-draw1-loss0 was the ’74 lions tour record.(they still say they scored a try in the final test’s 13-all draw).

  • Comment 115, posted at 28.07.16 15:02:05 by 50shadesofshark2 Reply

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  • @Henkb (Comment 114) : Well that is my thinking but some people suggest that a good coach will be successful anywhere…so i was looking for evidence of that. I believe a coach can be good in one environment but not good in other. I believe there are many factors that comprise a successful team and not just 1 factor that leads to success or failure

  • Comment 116, posted at 28.07.16 15:04:37 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 116) : yes.

  • Comment 117, posted at 28.07.16 15:17:39 by 50shadesofshark2 Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 94) : It sounds so simple…hopefully Ricardo can bring a bit of that back again for us!

  • Comment 118, posted at 28.07.16 15:20:14 by HeinF Reply

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  • @HeinF (Comment 118) : There are a couple things i like about his appointment. Firstly im glad that the Sharks saw the need to make a skills coach appointment- that is positive. The he is also employed throughout all Sharks teams so hopefully can instill those good basics in the u19s so that we dont have a case of trying to teach super rugby players and break their bad habits in the future. And then lastly he is an ex Sharks player and its great to get those guys back involved.

  • Comment 119, posted at 28.07.16 15:32:14 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Rugby’s american cousin: http://www.phillyvoice.com/examining-fact-no-nfl-coach-has-won-super-bowl-two-teams/

  • Comment 120, posted at 28.07.16 15:36:49 by 50shadesofshark2 Reply

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  • sounds like our defence coach has ducked

  • Comment 121, posted at 28.07.16 15:46:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 121) : To be fair that is what he is known for. Hope they refill the position

  • Comment 122, posted at 28.07.16 15:47:20 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @fyndraai (Comment 111) : You edited your comment.

  • Comment 123, posted at 28.07.16 15:50:01 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 121) : local or overseas?

  • Comment 124, posted at 28.07.16 16:01:35 by 50shadesofshark2 Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 121) : Oh crap – bad news

  • Comment 125, posted at 28.07.16 16:08:21 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 121) : @SheldonK (Comment 122) : Had to happen sooner or later, his track record suggested as much. Hope its to the Boks and I hope he was with us long enogh for a lot of his thinking to rub off on our remaining coaches.

  • Comment 126, posted at 28.07.16 16:23:49 by Salmonoid the Subtle Reply
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  • Afraid I can’t seem to see the logic with Loubscher coming in. But I’ll try to be patient.

    Be rather bleak to lose that defence coach though.

  • Comment 127, posted at 28.07.16 16:50:28 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 119) : Those are really good observations. Clearly having birthdays agrees with you :mrgreen:

  • Comment 128, posted at 28.07.16 16:53:13 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @50shadesofshark2 (Comment 124) : France

  • Comment 129, posted at 28.07.16 17:15:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 129) : thanks.

  • Comment 130, posted at 28.07.16 17:27:07 by 50shadesofshark2 Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 122) : To be fair the money crisis political atmosphere and downward spiral in performance at the sharks is helping many people decide. He is only as good as the last team on his CV. Losing so spectacularly last week can’t be good for the CV of a defense maestro. Wonder if the financial outlook doesn’t STILL contain more spin than truth.

  • Comment 131, posted at 28.07.16 17:44:22 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 128) : Its an annual thing so dont get too excited about the profound insights haha

  • Comment 132, posted at 29.07.16 09:32:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 131) : Look all that boardroom turmoil def plays a part. Omar is known to float from team to team and he has been involved in a couple teams where defense starts off improving drastically but then fades and he leaves…perhaps this is a case too. If it was a guy known to stick around for ages i would be concerned…but his track record probably means we shouldnt read much into it.

  • Comment 133, posted at 29.07.16 09:34:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 133) : yes. My reading of this situation is that it’s Omar being Omar, not a reflection on the Sharks

  • Comment 134, posted at 29.07.16 09:42:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 134) : My feelings exactly. My only concern is that the position is not being refilled, think they have missed a trick there. There are perhaps too many coaches on the books already and not really adding value…

  • Comment 135, posted at 29.07.16 09:51:33 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 135) : Just because they’re not replacing him immediately doesn’t mean they aren’t going to replace him at all. Just that they’re not going to rush to bring someone in in the next week ahead of Currie Cup

  • Comment 136, posted at 29.07.16 10:24:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 136) : No thats fair, i didnt expect someone immediately. Just heard that apparently they werent going to replace him and rather use the guys they have to look after the defensive systems.

  • Comment 137, posted at 29.07.16 10:39:16 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 137) : well, I guess they need to find the right guy first and that can take time.

    I’ll try quiz GG about it during the course of next week

  • Comment 138, posted at 29.07.16 10:51:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 138) : Thats understandable. And if you quizzing him perhaps ask how much hands on coaching he sees himself doing going into next year. Oh and what is the number one thing he would like to see the Sharks players improve in the CC and into 2017. For me its handling but curious on his take.

  • Comment 139, posted at 29.07.16 11:09:24 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 138) : I hope to hell Ricardo is not his replacement or heaven help us we revert back to our previous defence coach the abysmal Horak who was employed as a defence coach and then forgot to impart his knowledge on the team.

  • Comment 140, posted at 29.07.16 11:14:37 by The hound Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 139) : firstly quick & accurate passingfrom no9 2 quicker alignement of players from 2nd phase,etc to give more options for no10 3 handling (catch_run with ball in both hands_accurate passes(variety) ) 4 be the fittest team at the end of the cc season.

  • Comment 141, posted at 29.07.16 12:48:09 by 50shadesofshark2 Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark2 (Comment 141) : Your no. 2 and 4 are the same thing really. Your first thing is a selection issue more than anything but is coupled with the no. 2 and 4 points.

  • Comment 142, posted at 29.07.16 12:57:39 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark2 (Comment 141) : @SheldonK (Comment 142) : the first point is also dependent on-as you have noted in earlier comments this season-,clearing beyond the tackle.quicker ball presented from the ruck.and that brings us back to fitness-as you have noted.

  • Comment 143, posted at 29.07.16 13:26:27 by 50shadesofshark2 Reply

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  • @50shadesofshark2 (Comment 143) : Ive given up on SA players cleaning past the ball…its not going to happen. We all just play to the contact point.

  • Comment 144, posted at 29.07.16 13:47:27 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 134) : He does strike one as being a bit of a bedouin, always upping tents and moving on

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