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Rugby Championship 2016: Argentina v South Africa


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks, The Rugby Championship on 27 Aug 2016 at 20:00
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Kick-off in Salta is at 21h40 South African time.

Argentina – 15 Joaquín Tuculet, 14 Santiago Cordero, 13 Matías Orlando, 12 Juan Martín Hernández, 11 Manuel Montero, 10 Nicolás Sánchez, 9 Martín Landajo, 8 Facundo Isa, 7 Juan Manuel Leguizamón, 6 Pablo Matera, 5 Tomás Lavanini, 4 Matías Alemanno, 3 Ramiro Herrera, 2 Agustín Creevy (c), 1 Nahuel Tetaz Chaparro.
Subs: 16 Julian Montoya, 17 Felipe Arregui, 18 Enrique Pieretto, 19 Guido Petti, 20 Javier Ortega Desio, 21 Tomas Cubelli, 22 Santiago Gonzalez Iglesias, 23 Lucas González Amorosino.

Springboks – 15 Johan Goosen, 14 Ruan Combrinck, 13 Lionel Mapoe, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Elton Jantjies, 9 Faf de Klerk, 8 Warren Whiteley, 7 Oupa Mohoje, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Lood de Jager, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Vincent Koch, 2 Adriaan Strauss (c), 1 Tendai Mtawarira.
Subs: 16 Bongi Mbonambi, 17 Steven Kitshoff, 18 Lourens Adriaanse, 19 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 20 Jaco Kriel, 21 Rudy Paige, 22 Morné Steyn, 23 Jesse Kriel.



69 Comments

  • This cage is probably the most intimidating field to play rugby in….who will be more hostile, the Pumas, or their rabid fans.

  • Comment 1, posted at 27.08.16 21:00:16 by FireTheLooser Reply
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  • The All blacks are gonna destroy us like this

  • Comment 2, posted at 27.08.16 22:18:22 by schrodingers cat Reply
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  • @schrodingers cat (Comment 2) : We thought HM era was rubbish, we’ve entered the rubish-er era of AC and co.

    Not much to get excited about judging by this date.

  • Comment 3, posted at 27.08.16 22:23:53 by FireTheLooser Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 3) : *display

  • Comment 4, posted at 27.08.16 22:24:16 by FireTheLooser Reply
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  • Beginning to wonder why I’m watching the rugby.

    I’ve given AC a chance. I’m done now.

  • Comment 5, posted at 27.08.16 22:29:03 by StevieS Reply
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  • This must be the worst coached backline for a Bok team in like 15 years…

  • Comment 6, posted at 27.08.16 22:33:52 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @StevieS (Comment 5) : Will saru self-correct before Bok rugby is completely destroyed?

    The problems run deeper than just coaching level….maybe Smit become saru president, and fire absolutely everyone, then hand over to someone qualified to build from scratch. :)

  • Comment 7, posted at 27.08.16 22:34:28 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 3) : i could handel if we loose against the AB every year and loose to Australia from time to time but this is a joke the Springboks was Always a opposition feared by everyone and we were a big force in world rugby from year dot .

  • Comment 8, posted at 27.08.16 22:36:28 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • Eddie Jones must be licking his chops

  • Comment 9, posted at 27.08.16 22:37:57 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • I have to wonder: how is it that the Blitzbokke continually perform near the top, yet the Boks absolutely can not?…too much say from the franchises over the 15′s Boks?

  • Comment 10, posted at 27.08.16 22:47:06 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Does de allende understand defensive lines!?!

  • Comment 11, posted at 27.08.16 22:48:50 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Our scrums is 10 times better with Tendai off

  • Comment 12, posted at 27.08.16 22:51:57 by Hmmm Reply

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  • First time ever that I’m happy to see Morras, will fit AC’s non existent gamplan far better than Elton.

  • Comment 13, posted at 27.08.16 22:54:22 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Duh duh and Strauss, drop those two and we’ll see a marked improvement.

    Strauss as captain reminds me of Andre Vos(?? think that’s the name)…

  • Comment 14, posted at 27.08.16 23:08:00 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Jaco already stole more balls than Flow

  • Comment 15, posted at 27.08.16 23:08:15 by Hmmm Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 14) :
    Andre Vos was great…and with a very poor team he Captained the Bokke to 3rd place in the RCC…beating the ABs and losing in an extremely long game to Aus…

  • Comment 16, posted at 27.08.16 23:10:45 by Hmmm Reply

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  • Were probably gonna win this game and everyone is gonna be happy about it

  • Comment 17, posted at 27.08.16 23:14:25 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • Please don’t let duh duh score a try, it will undeservedly cement his place in the Bok team.

  • Comment 18, posted at 27.08.16 23:14:29 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • I guess there won’t be any positives to take from this game?

    Pity.

  • Comment 19, posted at 27.08.16 23:28:51 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 19) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 19) : Well, duh duh didn’t score? Surely there’s a positive? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 20, posted at 27.08.16 23:34:03 by pastorshark Reply
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  • All in all Argentina deserved to win that…

  • Comment 21, posted at 27.08.16 23:34:58 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 20) : Too true, now just for AC’s eyes to be opened re duhduh and Strauss.

    Biggest positive for me: only two Sharks are being subjected to this rubbish, the rest of our boys are safely home, and not exposed to sub-par management.:)

  • Comment 22, posted at 27.08.16 23:38:02 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Just no words…

  • Comment 23, posted at 27.08.16 23:40:58 by Sharkfinn Reply

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  • Sjoe

  • Comment 24, posted at 27.08.16 23:51:50 by vanmartin Reply
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  • This is bullshit our best players are overseas and there are a convayor belt of youngsters fucking of to france springbok rugby is screwd …Fuckit think we should go all out …. LEEROY JENKINGS !!!!!!

  • Comment 25, posted at 27.08.16 23:58:48 by schrodingers cat Reply

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  • I think lambie is going to be call up to the bok squad

  • Comment 26, posted at 28.08.16 01:10:48 by John Reply

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  • Kak!

  • Comment 27, posted at 28.08.16 08:21:51 by Ben Reply
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  • Is it time to send JW an SoS….Bok rugby needs a strong leader.

    A strong leader will lay down a clear blueprint, ensure everyone understands it, and then execute.

    I don’t think even the coaching box agrees on playing style….seems to be team AC and Proudfoot, team Stick and team van Graan….all going about things their own way, the result being 15 headless chickens getting schooled by Arg.

  • Comment 28, posted at 28.08.16 09:43:18 by FireTheLooser Reply

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  • Coetzee has no clue. During the week he says Jantjies must given a chance then subs him for Steyn who misses as much as he scores. I think AC was hoping to win the penalty lottery knowing how argies play and Steyn to convert everything he touches.

  • Comment 29, posted at 28.08.16 10:29:11 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 29) : Jantjies came off due to a groin injury…going for a scan when they get back to SA…

  • Comment 30, posted at 28.08.16 12:21:27 by pastorshark Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 30) : Probably injured it shitting himself at the prospect of being hunted down again by those Argie looses.

  • Comment 31, posted at 28.08.16 16:03:56 by The hound Reply
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  • @pastorshark (Comment 21) : stopped watching at halftime! Very poor performance by them. For me there is at least 6 players in the starting team that does not deserve to be there as they’re totally out of form!!!

  • Comment 32, posted at 28.08.16 16:50:36 by JD Reply
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  • Ref was very lenient on some of the headhold tackles by the Boks. Especially Mohoje will have to take care with those in the next test.

  • Comment 33, posted at 28.08.16 20:11:53 by Bokhoring Reply
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  • @JD (Comment 32) : Good call.

  • Comment 34, posted at 29.08.16 06:51:31 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @JD (Comment 32) : Strauss de Allende Jantjies Louw Steyn Beast (not currently)

  • Comment 35, posted at 29.08.16 06:53:23 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @coolfusion (Comment 35) : whiteley also have not used his chances he fades away a bit in the tight games

  • Comment 36, posted at 29.08.16 07:50:58 by John Reply

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  • Really not much to say about that Bok performance. Argies were fairly good and solid but nothing spectacular. Most players were poor and none were composed. Not sure what is more disappointing…the result or the fact that the Boks actually looked better with Morne Steyn at 10..

  • Comment 37, posted at 29.08.16 09:03:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 37) : starting to miss Pollard

  • Comment 38, posted at 29.08.16 09:07:05 by John Reply

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  • @John (Comment 38) : This wont be a popular opinion but havign watched on Saturday night i think a large portion of the Boks problems start with Faf at 9. He can be agood player but at the moment he is just too frantic and running around at a million miles an hour tryign to be involved in everything. There is zero composure and that frantic state is then compounded throughout. The reason it improved when Steyn came on is you could see him tell Faf to calm the f down.

  • Comment 39, posted at 29.08.16 09:18:40 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 39) : this is true he is a bit ” wild ” and Jantjies at 10 cant handle it at all funny because they both play for the lions , i guess the pressure is only to much for Jantjies but our backline also not running onto the ball everything is from a standing start and we really have to get rid of de allende he is looking lazy but i agree faf needs to calm things down a bit and focus on his basics , i think we also nees to remember that faf is still a ” rookie ” same with Jantjies but Faf have taken his chances much better , paige did not look bad in the few min he played

  • Comment 40, posted at 29.08.16 09:35:21 by John Reply

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  • @John (Comment 40) : Dont get me wrong Faf is a good player. He just needs to be more composed and not try to do everything. And yes he needs good calm instruction from his flyhalf too

  • Comment 41, posted at 29.08.16 09:49:20 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 39) : @John (Comment 40) : I’m sorry but I have to disagree, Faf plays the way he plays. He was picked for the Springboks because he is the best at what he does. There is a clear disconnect between the Lions players and the rest. Its not his fault the forwards are to lethargic to get into place and run onto the ball. It’s not his fault the ball dies with Die Ellende every time. It’s the easiest defensive structure in the world. Exactly what Japan did in the WC. Compress the defensive line, because the ball is not going wide, then just low leg tackles with someone over the ball. They try the forward passing to a deep backline every now and then, but it is so predictable. None of the dummy runners sell the move, the Argies just shift out and catch us behind the advantage line.

  • Comment 42, posted at 29.08.16 10:41:47 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @Southern_Shark (Comment 42) : Trust me go watch Faf play a lions game for a few minutes then go watch him in sat game for a few minutes…he is trying to do too much in a Bok jersey that he is looking frantic and actually getting in the way sometimes. For the Lions he still plays a high paced game but is a lot more composed. We had a penalty in front of the poles to go ahead and he tries to tap and go and then forward passes it, thankfully the ref called him back. Nobody to blame there but his frantic play.

  • Comment 43, posted at 29.08.16 10:52:54 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 43) : That’s your opinion and mine differs. It looks frantic because of the disconnect I was talking about. He is not in the way, it’s that no one knows what the other wants to do. He wants to pick up the tempo but everybody else wants to take a second. There is no such thing as the ball coming out too quickly. What he did there was he created his own advantage. He knew the guys weren’t 10m . And he knew they would infringe and rather take the 10m closer because we were going for poles anyway. So try something and if it doesn’t work, the kick is 10m closer.

  • Comment 44, posted at 29.08.16 11:53:20 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @Southern_Shark (Comment 44) : As you say differing opinions. Guess everyone should change to accommodate 1 guy.

  • Comment 45, posted at 29.08.16 12:01:38 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @John (Comment 40) : This has been my argument all along with a world class flyhalf you automatically should get the leadership as part of the package. And calm under pressure is a non negotiable too.

  • Comment 46, posted at 29.08.16 13:52:18 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @Southern_Shark (Comment 44) : But then he needs to adjust not the team. And he needs a calm partner to constantly adjust him.

  • Comment 47, posted at 29.08.16 13:54:03 by coolfusion Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 45) : Then don’t pick him.

  • Comment 48, posted at 29.08.16 16:57:06 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @Southern_Shark (Comment 48) : If he cant get himself composed on the international stage then no they shouldnt pick him. He is a good player and can be a fantastic player for the Boks…but he needs to learn composure and game management and learn it quickly. As i said he looked a hell of a lot better when Steyn came on and perhaps thats what he needs whilst still learning the international game.

  • Comment 49, posted at 30.08.16 08:26:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 49) : 50 up ;-) Game management, what is that exactly!? Morne Steyn made everyone look better compared to him, so yes bring on Morne Steyn and give Faf some Ritalin and see how the All Blacks put 40 or 50 points past us.

    Serious though, be honest………..are you Naas Botha????

  • Comment 50, posted at 30.08.16 11:44:12 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @Southern_Shark (Comment 50) : Really? What is game management? Lets all rather run around at a million miles an hour like headless chickens because that is how the All Blacks play? Oh please. Go watch Aaron Smith, the best in the world, and you will see game management not frantic play. And if you dont think the Bok backline looked better when Steyn came on you clearly didnt watch on Saturday

  • Comment 51, posted at 30.08.16 11:57:23 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 51) : Just because you heard it used on some rugby show or read it in one of Keo’s articles doesn’t mean you know what it means. Put Aaron Smith in the Bok side and you’ll see headless chicken! Just because you say something doesn’t make it true. Take your comment about it being easier to defend on the wing than at centre…. :shock: What a bunch of bullshit! The consequences of errors are way more than at centre….but I’m not even going to get into it. Just google top try scorers of all time and see how many are wings.. :cool: The only time our backline looked like anything but shit with Morne Steyn on the field, was when Johan Goosen took the ball at first receiver.

  • Comment 52, posted at 01.09.16 15:50:05 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @Southern_Shark (Comment 52) : Sounds to me like you are a tv rugby fan and never actually played or coached the game. Aaron Smith would not look like a headless chicken in the Bok team! And it is definitely easier to defend at wing than centre…its laughable that you think otherwise. Im still laughing that you think game management is a made up term with no meaning. Speed of play, direction ,timing, attack zones….things that the tv fan also doesnt know about im sure. As i said there is a difference of opinion…and thats fair enough. But i wont be agreeing that running around like a headless chicken is a good thing.

  • Comment 53, posted at 01.09.16 15:56:35 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Ok…looks like I’m gonna have to spell it out for you. :| Never did I say that game management is a made up term, I did however cleverly imply that you DON”T KNOW WHAT IT IS. You are just regurgitating things you, ironically heard on tv, without any understanding of the term.
    Still playing, in the backline I might add. Doing some coaching at a rural school while recovering from a dislocated patella, actually have a tertiary qualification in sports conditioning. I’m not even going to get into the Aaron Smith thing because that is just opinion, BUT I’m going to need some clarification on this whole defending on the wing thing.The way I have it is that your wing is your strike weapon! The FINISHER! Fastest and most dangerous runners! Scorers of more tries than all the other positions combined( In professional rugby). Out of your infinite “non tv fan” wisdom and years of experience on and alongside the field, please enlighten me as too how the fuck it is possible to be easier to defend than at centre?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

  • Comment 54, posted at 01.09.16 17:04:08 by Southern_Shark Reply
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  • @Southern_Shark (Comment 54) : ooh Sheldon you kicked a hornets nest,run for the dam buddy :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 55, posted at 01.09.16 17:16:07 by The hound Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 55) : like the kids says “oh no you dihend”!!! Can’t wait for the reply ;-)

  • Comment 56, posted at 01.09.16 23:33:47 by JD Reply
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  • @The hound (Comment 55) : You mean hornets arent cuddly like puppies? ;)

  • Comment 57, posted at 02.09.16 08:11:06 by SheldonK Reply

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  • “Still playing, in the backline I might add…that explains everything

  • Comment 58, posted at 02.09.16 08:12:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • This is quite an intriguing argument…

  • Comment 59, posted at 02.09.16 08:27:00 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 59) : Care to wade in Rich? haha

  • Comment 60, posted at 02.09.16 08:28:52 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 60) :

    Look, I can see both sides of the argument, but here is my 2 cents:

    Agree with Sheldon regarding Faf, he needs to compose himself. But he is still the best scrummie in SA, and even with a bit of a headless chicken vibe, he still offers better impact than either Paige or Hougaard. I would find it difficult to drop him and rather take a chance that his headless vibe creates some fire within the team.

    That said, a little composure would go a long way in settling the flyhalf, be it Elton or Morne.

    Regarding the wing defence, I never played rugby, so my opinion is probably counts jack shit, but I hear the theory behind being able to use the sideline. That is if the sideline is right there and you simply have a 1on1. Should you be the wing, trying to tackle the other wing 10m from the sideline and there is a fullback on the sideline, you have no chance of stopping both. So I suppose it goes both ways.

  • Comment 61, posted at 02.09.16 08:35:32 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 61) : Look i still think Faf is a bladdy good player and our best scrumhalf by a long way. But he does seem to trying too hard and forcing things when playing for the Boks…like i said watch Faf in a Lions jersey and Faf in a Bok jersey- he is much more composed in the Lions jersey. So thats all he needs at test level- some composure and direction (which he would probably get with a Lambie or Steyn at flyhalf).

    As for the defense…im yet to see any coach pick his best defenders on the wing because thats tougher to defend than at centre. The number of tackles a centre makes compared to a wing also factors in. Yes there are exception circumstances…but the exception doesnt prove a rule. Why are tries scored on the wing…because thats where the sh*ttest defenders are and they get exploited once a team has sucked in the oppositions best defenders. As a wing show the man the touchline and then either sheppard him out or if he cuts back in make the tackle. Only backline players find that tough to understand ;)

  • Comment 62, posted at 02.09.16 08:50:32 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 62) :

    So do you blame Faf for his lack of composure, or the flyhalf for not giving his scrumhalf direction.

    My opinion, Faf is trying to force Elton into looking better than he is actually playing.

  • Comment 63, posted at 02.09.16 08:53:06 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 63) : You cant blame another player for one player not having composure. Yes the flyhalf can help…but the scrummy must fix his own game first. Take responsibility then get the help in my opinion. As i said i just feel he is trying to hard and thats where a good coach would approach him at say halftime or even when water boy runs on and get him the message to play at 2 speeds not just full pace all the time. And to assess the situation before arriving at the ball instead on getting there and just going without looking. As is aid he is still our best option by a long way…he just could be a lot better and thus aide those around him who arent in great form.

  • Comment 64, posted at 02.09.16 09:01:46 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 64) :

    Valid points..

    I really hope he gets under the skin of ol Genia and Cooper next week, really rattle them a bit. Reckon we would need it as those two are both due a good game..

  • Comment 65, posted at 02.09.16 09:05:07 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 65) : Will be interesting to see what the Aussies bring to the table next week…they also seem to be unsure of where they going in terms of game plans and even more so selections

  • Comment 66, posted at 02.09.16 09:39:18 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 66) :

    I am also keen to see where we line up after that match, will it be that we are worse than them as well, or will we be able to at least put up a fight against them..

  • Comment 67, posted at 02.09.16 09:41:04 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 67) : I think we can probably truly gauge that after we play them both away and at home. They must be favourites to win at home- not easy to beat Oz in Oz even when they playing poorly

  • Comment 68, posted at 02.09.16 09:52:12 by SheldonK Reply

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  • I should ask Rob Houwing for royalties on that column… http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/RugbyChampionship/boks-lack-astuteness-in-key-areas-20160902

  • Comment 69, posted at 02.09.16 13:15:04 by SheldonK Reply

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